Who is funding your Sussex politician's parliamentary campaign? (From The Argus)

as an old socialist I'm begining to think that its better If we do have rich tory toffs in power - they've always got on better with the workers than the middle class new labour politicians who apparently despise the workers whilst bending over backwards AND play tricks to keep on the right side of russian billionaires.
Not forgetting people like harriet harperson whose husband appears to be getting a safe labour seat (and **** the all woman list) who is also SO posh that she went to the same sKool as she slates some of the tory front bench for going to

Get good ole Katie or Peter to shove a few coffers in the kitty......'tis only a coffee ad or something away anyhow

As UKIP candidate for Hove and Portslade, I hope the fact you have no record of my funding doesn't mean you fail to mention me at all...

Tye wrote:
as an old socialist I'm begining to think that its better If we do have rich tory toffs in power - they've always got on better with the workers than the middle class new labour politicians who apparently despise the workers whilst bending over backwards AND play tricks to keep on the right side of russian billionaires. Not forgetting people like harriet harperson whose husband appears to be getting a safe labour seat (and **** the all woman list) who is also SO posh that she went to the same sKool as she slates some of the tory front bench for going to

Well Tye forgive me for saying that's the typical blinkered approach from someone on the far left who can't accept the achievements of this Govt for working people over the past 12 years. First ever minimum wage, equal rights for part time workers, more maternity and paternity leave, working families tax credits and much more. That's why millions of trades union members choose to back the Labour Party via their subs.
You say you are an "old socialist" - old enough to benefit from free bus passes, winter fuel payments and free tv licences? The Tories in power - something you seem to be looking forward to - will do tremendous harm to working people on average or lower incomes. Wake up to yourself.

warren you forget to mention labour have given us the biggest gap between the have and have nots, failing to protect our soldiers and taking us to war, rise in violent crime, biggest recession since 1930s, more sleaze than any tory party, 3 coups on the unelected leader, higher taxes, children unable to read and write, highest levels of immigration, no referendum on europe the list goes on and on and on, labour are now unelectable and unbelievable just desperate and will say anything to save their jobs and their expenses. why has harriet harperson champion of equality allowed her husband a trade union man to become a chosen candidate from an all woman candidate list, desperation and empty promises.

To Warren Morgan - not old enough to benefit from anything except the honour of paying more tax (to fund overpaid £100K + diversity, equality, "communication" , climate change, council chief execs, nhs managers etc managers ) maybe thats why the middle classes voted for labour in the past - their special job creation schemes for people who couldn't succeed in the real world.
As Labour right or wrong Im guessing you don't accept they have spin doctors/dirty trick people- People we pay for - everywhere they've stuck the knife in Mo Mowlam, the cop who had to investigate the cash for honours (whatever happened to that?) BBC DG for suggesting the truth in the news,that 80year old guy at the conference in brighton a few years ago, - just about they didn't like might effect their great new world

Warrewn - just looking at your comments again - I'm "BLINKERED" am I for seeing that some thinhs they have done and the sneaky way they do it is very wrong?

E.G I can see and accept that some things "Tone" did was good -NHS funding is better but even there to justify the vast amounts wasted they use the scorecard system - efficiency meaning HUNDREDS dying from c diff and other bugs

I think all of you arguing the pros and cons of the various parties have entirely missed the point.
They are all self-serving, up their own bottoms, crooks, and none of them are worth your vote.
For the first time in 30 years I will not be voting in the next general election because there is no one worthy of receiving my vote. However, I'm not going to be lazy and stay at home. I will be going to the polling station and writing on my ballot paper 'no one worth voting for'.
I would suggest that if you feel as I do, you do the same.
Spoiled ballot papers have to be counted and announced. Wouldn't it be great if there were more spoiled ballot papers than votes for the candidates?
Now that would send a message that would have to be listened to.
But I fear what may happen is that less than 50% of the electorate will bother turning out, they are so disenchanted with the whole system.

Nyberg wrote:
I think all of you arguing the pros and cons of the various parties have entirely missed the point.
They are all self-serving, up their own bottoms, crooks, and none of them are worth your vote.
For the first time in 30 years I will not be voting in the next general election because there is no one worthy of receiving my vote. However, I'm not going to be lazy and stay at home. I will be going to the polling station and writing on my ballot paper 'no one worth voting for'.
I would suggest that if you feel as I do, you do the same.
Spoiled ballot papers have to be counted and announced. Wouldn't it be great if there were more spoiled ballot papers than votes for the candidates?
Now that would send a message that would have to be listened to.
But I fear what may happen is that less than 50% of the electorate will bother turning out, they are so disenchanted with the whole system.

Nyberg,

I have shared your despair and in the past have said pretty much what you have said above.

However politicians will just ignore the spoilt count - they have no shame - look at their bare faced deception over expenses (and ID cards, and detention with out trial etc).

That is why at the start of this year I got off my butt and joined the only party committed to an honest, open and soverign parliament and am running in Hove and Portslade for UKIP.

Financed from my own money (there goes my holiday savings) and small donations from the public.

Parliament just ignores our 'messages' we have to get in there and sort it out 'hands on'.

Every journey starts with a single step - you start this journey now.

PERRIN - UKIP - HOVE & PORTSLADE

http://paulperrin.co
.uk

pperrin wrote:

Nyberg wrote: I think all of you arguing the pros and cons of the various parties have entirely missed the point. They are all self-serving, up their own bottoms, crooks, and none of them are worth your vote. For the first time in 30 years I will not be voting in the next general election because there is no one worthy of receiving my vote. However, I'm not going to be lazy and stay at home. I will be going to the polling station and writing on my ballot paper 'no one worth voting for'. I would suggest that if you feel as I do, you do the same. Spoiled ballot papers have to be counted and announced. Wouldn't it be great if there were more spoiled ballot papers than votes for the candidates? Now that would send a message that would have to be listened to. But I fear what may happen is that less than 50% of the electorate will bother turning out, they are so disenchanted with the whole system.

Nyberg, I have shared your despair and in the past have said pretty much what you have said above. However politicians will just ignore the spoilt count - they have no shame - look at their bare faced deception over expenses (and ID cards, and detention with out trial etc). That is why at the start of this year I got off my butt and joined the only party committed to an honest, open and soverign parliament and am running in Hove and Portslade for UKIP. Financed from my own money (there goes my holiday savings) and small donations from the public. Parliament just ignores our 'messages' we have to get in there and sort it out 'hands on'. Every journey starts with a single step - you start this journey now. PERRIN - UKIP - HOVE & PORTSLADE http://paulperrin.co .uk

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with the main thrust of your party.
I believe that our country's future lies in stronger ties with Europe not lesser.
If we had joined the euro when it was offered our currency wouldn't have lost over 20% of its value against the euro in the last 2 years.
If you in UKIP campaigned for cutting ties with the USA and strengthening our commitment to our European cousins, I would be far more interested.
Spoiled ballot papers do get counted and have to be announced. I still recommend this as the way to protest.

Nyberg wrote:

pperrin wrote:

Nyberg wrote: I think all of you arguing the pros and cons of the various parties have entirely missed the point. They are all self-serving, up their own bottoms, crooks, and none of them are worth your vote. For the first time in 30 years I will not be voting in the next general election because there is no one worthy of receiving my vote. However, I'm not going to be lazy and stay at home. I will be going to the polling station and writing on my ballot paper 'no one worth voting for'. I would suggest that if you feel as I do, you do the same. Spoiled ballot papers have to be counted and announced. Wouldn't it be great if there were more spoiled ballot papers than votes for the candidates? Now that would send a message that would have to be listened to. But I fear what may happen is that less than 50% of the electorate will bother turning out, they are so disenchanted with the whole system.

Nyberg, I have shared your despair and in the past have said pretty much what you have said above. However politicians will just ignore the spoilt count - they have no shame - look at their bare faced deception over expenses (and ID cards, and detention with out trial etc). That is why at the start of this year I got off my butt and joined the only party committed to an honest, open and soverign parliament and am running in Hove and Portslade for UKIP. Financed from my own money (there goes my holiday savings) and small donations from the public. Parliament just ignores our 'messages' we have to get in there and sort it out 'hands on'. Every journey starts with a single step - you start this journey now. PERRIN - UKIP - HOVE & PORTSLADE http://paulperrin.co .uk

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with the main thrust of your party.
I believe that our country's future lies in stronger ties with Europe not lesser.
If we had joined the euro when it was offered our currency wouldn't have lost over 20% of its value against the euro in the last 2 years.
If you in UKIP campaigned for cutting ties with the USA and strengthening our commitment to our European cousins, I would be far more interested.
Spoiled ballot papers do get counted and have to be announced. I still recommend this as the way to protest.

UKIP have no problem with Europe or the USA - it is the EU political union that is the problem.

Power has to brought back to the people with direct democracy and government at Westminster.

Exporting our power/freedom to Brussels is no part of any solution - it is going exactly the wrong way.

Let the people of the UK decide how the UK relates to other countries - USA, the EU states, African countries, the Commonwealth countries, even Cuba.

We don't need the French, Germans etc to 'help us' with these decisions, they must be ours to make.

Please be sure that you genuinely understand UKIPs position (I am happy to help explain it to anyone). If you then disagree with it, fair enough. I see nothing wrong with differing views (something that the EU project would strongly disagree with me over!).

http://paulperrin.co
.uk

What about the pathetic pensions we have to live on? The cost of living goes up but the pensions do not.
Television is not worth watching - and electricity is very expensive and who wants to sit on a bus and not being able to afford anything when we get there. I suppose we could take a picnic and spend the day having a free bus ride!

pperrin wrote:

Nyberg wrote:

pperrin wrote:

Nyberg wrote: I think all of you arguing the pros and cons of the various parties have entirely missed the point. They are all self-serving, up their own bottoms, crooks, and none of them are worth your vote. For the first time in 30 years I will not be voting in the next general election because there is no one worthy of receiving my vote. However, I'm not going to be lazy and stay at home. I will be going to the polling station and writing on my ballot paper 'no one worth voting for'. I would suggest that if you feel as I do, you do the same. Spoiled ballot papers have to be counted and announced. Wouldn't it be great if there were more spoiled ballot papers than votes for the candidates? Now that would send a message that would have to be listened to. But I fear what may happen is that less than 50% of the electorate will bother turning out, they are so disenchanted with the whole system.

Nyberg, I have shared your despair and in the past have said pretty much what you have said above. However politicians will just ignore the spoilt count - they have no shame - look at their bare faced deception over expenses (and ID cards, and detention with out trial etc). That is why at the start of this year I got off my butt and joined the only party committed to an honest, open and soverign parliament and am running in Hove and Portslade for UKIP. Financed from my own money (there goes my holiday savings) and small donations from the public. Parliament just ignores our 'messages' we have to get in there and sort it out 'hands on'. Every journey starts with a single step - you start this journey now. PERRIN - UKIP - HOVE & PORTSLADE http://paulperrin.co .uk

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with the main thrust of your party. I believe that our country's future lies in stronger ties with Europe not lesser. If we had joined the euro when it was offered our currency wouldn't have lost over 20% of its value against the euro in the last 2 years. If you in UKIP campaigned for cutting ties with the USA and strengthening our commitment to our European cousins, I would be far more interested. Spoiled ballot papers do get counted and have to be announced. I still recommend this as the way to protest.

UKIP have no problem with Europe or the USA - it is the EU political union that is the problem. Power has to brought back to the people with direct democracy and government at Westminster. Exporting our power/freedom to Brussels is no part of any solution - it is going exactly the wrong way. Let the people of the UK decide how the UK relates to other countries - USA, the EU states, African countries, the Commonwealth countries, even Cuba. We don't need the French, Germans etc to 'help us' with these decisions, they must be ours to make. Please be sure that you genuinely understand UKIPs position (I am happy to help explain it to anyone). If you then disagree with it, fair enough. I see nothing wrong with differing views (something that the EU project would strongly disagree with me over!). http://paulperrin.co .uk

I do understand UKIP's position, and it's directly opposed to mine, as I would like to see further integration into the EU, not less, and power being taken away from Westminster, and particularly from the totally unelected house of Lords, but also from the commons, who have proved themselves to be corrupt and not worthy to govern our nation.
I would also like to see an end to all peerages, and the spongers known as the royal family - but that's a whole other issue!
Now if one of your election pledges was to strip the royal family of all their wealth and inherited privilege, and put them out to grass, within the first term - you might get my vote.

It sounds like you support government by the EU out of spite towards UK democracy.

I understand and have shared your despair over the state of our democracy, but I see the solution as fixing it (while there is still time). Not smashing it up and abandoning it all together.

My kids are growing up and are going to have to live in what we build today. I want them to have more control over their governance, not less.

The rich and powerful never suffer - bringing the roof down will only bury us, not them.

pperrin wrote:
It sounds like you support government by the EU out of spite towards UK democracy. I understand and have shared your despair over the state of our democracy, but I see the solution as fixing it (while there is still time). Not smashing it up and abandoning it all together. My kids are growing up and are going to have to live in what we build today. I want them to have more control over their governance, not less. The rich and powerful never suffer - bringing the roof down will only bury us, not them.

I think we would both agree that France is right at the centre of the EU, along with Germany.
I spent a lot of time in France, and I see absolutely no evidence at all that being part of the EU has diluted people's 'frenchness', which is what a lot of your supporters seem to be worried about.
French people seem to understand the need to be part of a larger union, in the way that a lot of british don't. They moan about certain things about it like we all do, but they don't want to leave. It gives the whole union financial stability, which lord knows is what we have needed these last 2 years - but didn't have - because our stupid government didn't join the euro when we could have done.
What is UKIPs position on joining the euro zone?
(Not that they would let us join with the massive debt this country now carries!)

Nyberg wrote:

pperrin wrote:
It sounds like you support government by the EU out of spite towards UK democracy. I understand and have shared your despair over the state of our democracy, but I see the solution as fixing it (while there is still time). Not smashing it up and abandoning it all together. My kids are growing up and are going to have to live in what we build today. I want them to have more control over their governance, not less. The rich and powerful never suffer - bringing the roof down will only bury us, not them.

I think we would both agree that France is right at the centre of the EU, along with Germany.
I spent a lot of time in France, and I see absolutely no evidence at all that being part of the EU has diluted people's 'frenchness', which is what a lot of your supporters seem to be worried about.
French people seem to understand the need to be part of a larger union, in the way that a lot of british don't. They moan about certain things about it like we all do, but they don't want to leave. It gives the whole union financial stability, which lord knows is what we have needed these last 2 years - but didn't have - because our stupid government didn't join the euro when we could have done.
What is UKIPs position on joining the euro zone?
(Not that they would let us join with the massive debt this country now carries!)

I have no problem with social and cultural links - town twinning, cultural exchange, holidays and I don't see it as the governments business to interfere with them. I can't speak for everyone (or anyone unless they want me to!).

But regarding governance - that is certainly the governments business!

Spain (amongst others) aren't doing too well in the Euro zone - 20% unemployment, and with out a floating currency all their goods are locked at prices suited to the rich EU countries.

We do have our own problems, but our ability to act is already limited by the EU.

EU competition rules prevented the Band of England smoothing things in the background to head off the banking crises - making the full blown melt down inevitable.

If we were also part of the Euro zone instead of the pound sliding - effectively making UK employees cheaper to hire, they would have been priced out of work and our unemployment would look more like Spains 20%...

Our government are stupid - but to an extent that is our own fault, we can change that at this election...

The EU commission are equally stupid - but we have no control over them, we cannot fix it, so we must leave them.

But the fact is we wouldn't have had a 'full blown meltdown' in this country if we had taken up the option to join the euro currency when it was offered! And the cost of imports from the EU would not now be 20% higher than 2 years ago.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Nice to have a decent debate though.

Has Ivor Caplin made any donations from the £17,000+ Sir Thomas Legg says IC owes the taxpayer? Has The Argus spoken to IC yet and, if not, why not? He was again in his normal seat at the Albion match today, in the front row of the North Stand near the halfway line.

pperrin wrote:

Nyberg wrote:

pperrin wrote:

Nyberg wrote: I think all of you arguing the pros and cons of the various parties have entirely missed the point. They are all self-serving, up their own bottoms, crooks, and none of them are worth your vote. For the first time in 30 years I will not be voting in the next general election because there is no one worthy of receiving my vote. However, I'm not going to be lazy and stay at home. I will be going to the polling station and writing on my ballot paper 'no one worth voting for'. I would suggest that if you feel as I do, you do the same. Spoiled ballot papers have to be counted and announced. Wouldn't it be great if there were more spoiled ballot papers than votes for the candidates? Now that would send a message that would have to be listened to. But I fear what may happen is that less than 50% of the electorate will bother turning out, they are so disenchanted with the whole system.

Nyberg, I have shared your despair and in the past have said pretty much what you have said above. However politicians will just ignore the spoilt count - they have no shame - look at their bare faced deception over expenses (and ID cards, and detention with out trial etc). That is why at the start of this year I got off my butt and joined the only party committed to an honest, open and soverign parliament and am running in Hove and Portslade for UKIP. Financed from my own money (there goes my holiday savings) and small donations from the public. Parliament just ignores our 'messages' we have to get in there and sort it out 'hands on'. Every journey starts with a single step - you start this journey now. PERRIN - UKIP - HOVE & PORTSLADE http://paulperrin.co .uk

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with the main thrust of your party. I believe that our country's future lies in stronger ties with Europe not lesser. If we had joined the euro when it was offered our currency wouldn't have lost over 20% of its value against the euro in the last 2 years. If you in UKIP campaigned for cutting ties with the USA and strengthening our commitment to our European cousins, I would be far more interested. Spoiled ballot papers do get counted and have to be announced. I still recommend this as the way to protest.

UKIP have no problem with Europe or the USA - it is the EU political union that is the problem. Power has to brought back to the people with direct democracy and government at Westminster. Exporting our power/freedom to Brussels is no part of any solution - it is going exactly the wrong way. Let the people of the UK decide how the UK relates to other countries - USA, the EU states, African countries, the Commonwealth countries, even Cuba. We don't need the French, Germans etc to 'help us' with these decisions, they must be ours to make. Please be sure that you genuinely understand UKIPs position (I am happy to help explain it to anyone). If you then disagree with it, fair enough. I see nothing wrong with differing views (something that the EU project would strongly disagree with me over!). http://paulperrin.co .uk

Mr Perrin, if it wrong for sovereignty to be passed to Brussels, then it must also be wrong for London to retain the sovereignty of the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish. Therefor by your logic the UK must be broken up and UKIP is a contradiction in its own terms.

Frankie's Post wrote:

pperrin wrote:

Nyberg wrote:

pperrin wrote:

Nyberg wrote: I think all of you arguing the pros and cons of the various parties have entirely missed the point. They are all self-serving, up their own bottoms, crooks, and none of them are worth your vote. For the first time in 30 years I will not be voting in the next general election because there is no one worthy of receiving my vote. However, I'm not going to be lazy and stay at home. I will be going to the polling station and writing on my ballot paper 'no one worth voting for'. I would suggest that if you feel as I do, you do the same. Spoiled ballot papers have to be counted and announced. Wouldn't it be great if there were more spoiled ballot papers than votes for the candidates? Now that would send a message that would have to be listened to. But I fear what may happen is that less than 50% of the electorate will bother turning out, they are so disenchanted with the whole system.

Nyberg, I have shared your despair and in the past have said pretty much what you have said above. However politicians will just ignore the spoilt count - they have no shame - look at their bare faced deception over expenses (and ID cards, and detention with out trial etc). That is why at the start of this year I got off my butt and joined the only party committed to an honest, open and soverign parliament and am running in Hove and Portslade for UKIP. Financed from my own money (there goes my holiday savings) and small donations from the public. Parliament just ignores our 'messages' we have to get in there and sort it out 'hands on'. Every journey starts with a single step - you start this journey now. PERRIN - UKIP - HOVE & PORTSLADE http://paulperrin.co .uk

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with the main thrust of your party. I believe that our country's future lies in stronger ties with Europe not lesser. If we had joined the euro when it was offered our currency wouldn't have lost over 20% of its value against the euro in the last 2 years. If you in UKIP campaigned for cutting ties with the USA and strengthening our commitment to our European cousins, I would be far more interested. Spoiled ballot papers do get counted and have to be announced. I still recommend this as the way to protest.

UKIP have no problem with Europe or the USA - it is the EU political union that is the problem. Power has to brought back to the people with direct democracy and government at Westminster. Exporting our power/freedom to Brussels is no part of any solution - it is going exactly the wrong way. Let the people of the UK decide how the UK relates to other countries - USA, the EU states, African countries, the Commonwealth countries, even Cuba. We don't need the French, Germans etc to 'help us' with these decisions, they must be ours to make. Please be sure that you genuinely understand UKIPs position (I am happy to help explain it to anyone). If you then disagree with it, fair enough. I see nothing wrong with differing views (something that the EU project would strongly disagree with me over!). http://paulperrin.co .uk

Mr Perrin, if it wrong for sovereignty to be passed to Brussels, then it must also be wrong for London to retain the sovereignty of the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish. Therefor by your logic the UK must be broken up and UKIP is a contradiction in its own terms.

Our green euro mep has more money in her campaign than the other local candidates to become an Mp