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Fears over Sussex council's £1bn pension shortfall


pension funds run by Sussex councils have been left with a shortfall of almost £1 billion because of stock market turmoil.

Local authorities admitted pension funds set up to pay for the retirement packages of council workers had nowhere near enough money in them to cope with demand.

Officials said the world financial crisis and former employees living longer were to blame for the hole in the funds.

They warned they may have to put millions of pounds of council cash into the funds – sparking fears taxpayersmay be left to foot the bill for the shortfall.

Last night there were calls for local authorities to scrap the “unsustainable” generous pension schemes and replace them with cheaper deals.

John O’Connell, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “These deficits are a huge ticking time-bomb.

“Investment portfolios will have taken a beating in the credit crunch but that is only part of the problem.

“No matter how good the markets get, the fact is local authorities are running unsustainable final salary schemes which are now all but extinct in the private sector.”

Graham Cooper, of Grange Financial Services in Ovingdean, Brighton, said many private firms which faced similar problems had scrapped expensive schemes.

He said: “Whenever there is a deficit this has to be matched by either the employee or the employer.”

Figures from the TaxPayers’ Alliance suggest councils in Sussex had a pension deficit of £957.4 million last year – 77% higher than the £539.9 million shortfall a year earlier.

It included deficits of £262.6 million for East Sussex County Council, £289.9 million for West Sussex County Council and £138.9 million for Brighton and Hove City Council.

The report is based on contributions to the Local Government Pension Scheme, which affects most people working in the public sector.

Employees, including teaching assistants, lollipop men and women and refuse workers, currently contribute between 5.5 and 7% of their wage into the pension fund.

Alex Knutsen, general secretary of Brighton and Hove branch of Unison, said there could be a review of pension policy, which would mean employers paying more into their fund, but the union was “pretty confident” the current agreement would be robust enough to cope.

Local government pension schemes are valued every three years by independent actuaries and the amount councils pay in are adjusted if necessary.

A spokesman for the Local Government Association said a snapshot of the figures was misleading because pension pots were managed on a long-term basis.

He added there was enough in the pot to cover the next 20 years of pensions.

East Sussex County Council did not expect to have to make any “significant” increase into the amount it put into the fund.

West Sussex County Council said shortfalls were funded over long periods so council taxpayers were not required to pay a lump sum to wipe the deficit.

Comments(10)

onlyme says...
4:02pm Tue 16 Mar 10

why should i have to dig into my pocket to add funds to their pension pot!

are they likely to do it for me if my pension pot comes up short?

thats a bit like asking the bankers to cover the credit crunch!

Tye says...
4:30pm Tue 16 Mar 10

In the real World a company with the same sort of pension issues would close the final pension scheme - certainly to new members and possibly to current members - wonder what the sussex councils do?
get their VERY well paid spin doctors/ Directors of comunication issue some sob story about those on minimum wage **** conveniantly forgetting the bloated pigs at the top who get full pensions at 50 without proper contributions to fund such deals or when they are forced to leave after disagreeing with their councillors - in other words a bribe to keep quiet
Strangely my stocks and shares ISA has almost doubled in 2 years but then councils never were very good managing other peoples money :(

**** - also forgetting that a lot of the poorly paid staff and those most important to the people of sussex will have found their jobs outsourced - often losing sick pay, holiday pay and ironically any pension rights

Fight Back says...
4:54pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Tye wrote:
In the real World a company with the same sort of pension issues would close the final pension scheme - certainly to new members and possibly to current members - wonder what the sussex councils do?
get their VERY well paid spin doctors/ Directors of comunication issue some sob story about those on minimum wage **** conveniantly forgetting the bloated pigs at the top who get full pensions at 50 without proper contributions to fund such deals or when they are forced to leave after disagreeing with their councillors - in other words a bribe to keep quiet
Strangely my stocks and shares ISA has almost doubled in 2 years but then councils never were very good managing other peoples money :(

**** - also forgetting that a lot of the poorly paid staff and those most important to the people of sussex will have found their jobs outsourced - often losing sick pay, holiday pay and ironically any pension rights
You start your post sensibly enough but then go off into the realms of fantasy !!! There is no ISA on the market that that has a 50% per annum return rate. Also when your job is outsourced your rights to holiday, pension and sick are protected thanks to TUPE.

stan bailey says...
5:11pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Fight Back wrote:
Tye wrote:
In the real World a company with the same sort of pension issues would close the final pension scheme - certainly to new members and possibly to current members - wonder what the sussex councils do?
get their VERY well paid spin doctors/ Directors of comunication issue some sob story about those on minimum wage **** conveniantly forgetting the bloated pigs at the top who get full pensions at 50 without proper contributions to fund such deals or when they are forced to leave after disagreeing with their councillors - in other words a bribe to keep quiet
Strangely my stocks and shares ISA has almost doubled in 2 years but then councils never were very good managing other peoples money :(

**** - also forgetting that a lot of the poorly paid staff and those most important to the people of sussex will have found their jobs outsourced - often losing sick pay, holiday pay and ironically any pension rights
You start your post sensibly enough but then go off into the realms of fantasy !!! There is no ISA on the market that that has a 50% per annum return rate. Also when your job is outsourced your rights to holiday, pension and sick are protected thanks to TUPE.
Tupe isn't worth anything, they can change your job within minutes of being tuped across

yorkie44 says...
6:23pm Tue 16 Mar 10

The final salary schemes can no longer be justified because of uncertainty about the future and should be stopped as soon as possible. Taxpayers are not just an endless source of money for governments and councils.

ssilkystone says...
6:58pm Tue 16 Mar 10

I think the point is Council employees get pensions the rest of us should be getting, but to reduce council pensions down to the poor to no pensions many private employers provided would solve nothing, what we need is a decent pension for all not just the public sector, and the only way to get that is to give all the pension rights enjoyed by the public sector, not reduce them to us, I'll be lucky to get enough to go on holiday every ten years when I retire.

Metro Reader says...
9:54pm Tue 16 Mar 10

IF the argus bothered to report FACTs it would not be so much fun. Please do remember that Local Council staff also pay TAX, they also pay in to the pension schemes.
regards the home civil service pensions, the National Audit Office has a report out last week, www.nao.org.uk that shows the true cost to the public purse. Perhaps some of you may want to have a look.

Andy R says...
11:16pm Tue 16 Mar 10

ssilkystone wrote:
I think the point is Council employees get pensions the rest of us should be getting, but to reduce council pensions down to the poor to no pensions many private employers provided would solve nothing, what we need is a decent pension for all not just the public sector, and the only way to get that is to give all the pension rights enjoyed by the public sector, not reduce them to us, I'll be lucky to get enough to go on holiday every ten years when I retire.
Well said. It never ceases to amaze me that some people (who I assume to be workers) have no greater ambition than to see everyone's working conditions reduced to the lowest common denominator. The logic of that is that everyone should be on minimum wage, no sick leave, no health and safety and no pension provision. Anyone reading this who's doing better than that...well...shame on you for being so "well off"! Everything's YOUR fault!

And yet again the Argus just regurgitates a "Taxpayers Alliance" press release without question. These people don't represent taxpayers; they are a right-wing pressure group, and they don't know what they are talking about. The local government pension scheme is well able to meet its commitments. It would only be in "deficit" if it had to cover all its liabilities at once - if every scheme member retired tomorrow. By this logic every pension scheme that ever existed would be in a permanent state of "crisis". What a joke. Don't be fooled by pressure groups who simply want to drive down the working conditions of all workers to please their big business backers.

Uge says...
10:06am Wed 17 Mar 10

I have an idea!!! How about you stop giving money to the lazy scum that don’t want to work and give the money to the pensioners who deserve it!!!
Simples!!! This government needs to be a bit stricter and stop being so soft!!

Tye says...
7:38am Thu 18 Mar 10

Uge wrote:
I have an idea!!! How about you stop giving money to the lazy scum that don’t want to work and give the money to the pensioners who deserve it!!! Simples!!! This government needs to be a bit stricter and stop being so soft!!
Let me guess- You're a pensioner

Sadly you're showing a principle that you probably dislike in others -

ME ME ME :(


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