Brighton hospital revamp plans revealed (From The Argus)

I am in no doubt the Brighton NIMBYS will wail and moan about this, until the day they or their family need the services the improved hospital will provide, then they'll be grateful for it!

sussexone wrote:
I am in no doubt the Brighton NIMBYS will wail and moan about this, until the day they or their family need the services the improved hospital will provide, then they'll be grateful for it!

And the rest of us "residents" will complain as it is impossible to site a hospital in a worst place in OUR city.
A space out of the centre should be found and developed before knocking down the RSCH and selling the site to pay for the new hospital
Might i suggest good transport links, easy parking with land to grow.
The sackville road ind estate in Hove fits the bill......next problem

Living in the real world wrote:

sussexone wrote: I am in no doubt the Brighton NIMBYS will wail and moan about this, until the day they or their family need the services the improved hospital will provide, then they'll be grateful for it!

And the rest of us "residents" will complain as it is impossible to site a hospital in a worst place in OUR city. A space out of the centre should be found and developed before knocking down the RSCH and selling the site to pay for the new hospital Might i suggest good transport links, easy parking with land to grow. The sackville road ind estate in Hove fits the bill......next problem

It's been there how long, since 1828, nearly 182 years!!!

It's not as though locals don't know there is a hospital there with all the associated noise etc etc.... If they don't want to be near a hospital, dont buy near one!

They are only redeveloping some old buildings on the site, not taking over the area. Get Real people, it's not the end of the world. Yawn!

sussexone wrote:

Living in the real world wrote:

sussexone wrote: I am in no doubt the Brighton NIMBYS will wail and moan about this, until the day they or their family need the services the improved hospital will provide, then they'll be grateful for it!

And the rest of us "residents" will complain as it is impossible to site a hospital in a worst place in OUR city. A space out of the centre should be found and developed before knocking down the RSCH and selling the site to pay for the new hospital Might i suggest good transport links, easy parking with land to grow. The sackville road ind estate in Hove fits the bill......next problem

It's been there how long, since 1828, nearly 182 years!!! It's not as though locals don't know there is a hospital there with all the associated noise etc etc.... If they don't want to be near a hospital, dont buy near one! They are only redeveloping some old buildings on the site, not taking over the area. Get Real people, it's not the end of the world. Yawn!

Dear Yawn!
it may have been there 182 years but they never had the trouble getting to it we have now.
In the summer it can take upwards of an hour to get across town and with the Brighton Centre revamp and the i360 coming this will only get worse.
Once you get there it is impossible to park and costs a fortune so no I don't think all those who do not happen to live in Whitehawk or the East Brighton Docks are best served by this development.

Living in the real world wrote:

sussexone wrote:

Living in the real world wrote:

sussexone wrote: I am in no doubt the Brighton NIMBYS will wail and moan about this, until the day they or their family need the services the improved hospital will provide, then they'll be grateful for it!

And the rest of us "residents" will complain as it is impossible to site a hospital in a worst place in OUR city. A space out of the centre should be found and developed before knocking down the RSCH and selling the site to pay for the new hospital Might i suggest good transport links, easy parking with land to grow. The sackville road ind estate in Hove fits the bill......next problem

It's been there how long, since 1828, nearly 182 years!!! It's not as though locals don't know there is a hospital there with all the associated noise etc etc.... If they don't want to be near a hospital, dont buy near one! They are only redeveloping some old buildings on the site, not taking over the area. Get Real people, it's not the end of the world. Yawn!

Dear Yawn! it may have been there 182 years but they never had the trouble getting to it we have now. In the summer it can take upwards of an hour to get across town and with the Brighton Centre revamp and the i360 coming this will only get worse. Once you get there it is impossible to park and costs a fortune so no I don't think all those who do not happen to live in Whitehawk or the East Brighton Docks are best served by this development.

I'm glad you can predict the future, can I have Fridays euromillions numbers too while you're at it.

Hey how about this for a solution to your transport problems, sell your car, buy a bicycle and stop moaning, unless you're an invalid it certainlywont take an hr to get across town then will it! Double Yawn!

Or maybe we should close the hospital, close the Brighton Centre, not have the i360 and live in the rural backwater you so obviously yearn for.

Have you thought about moving, I love the life and noise of Brighton, you don't seem to, time for you to retire to Devon?

Further lack of vision in our town. Wrong site!

Security word is "plan-less" - says it all!

So rather than redevelop a hospital that's been there for ever, using land the NHS already owns, they should close it down and rebuild it elsewhere in a crowded city, perhaps buy paying huge sums to buy the Sackville Road trading estate and chuck out all the businesses currently based there.

I think you should put that in as a consultation response. I bet the NHS managers could use a good laugh - I hear it's the best medicine.

from what you can see option B looks better and flows better, as for the site maybe the NHS could look at a swap from a large business or the council for example braypool where the park and ride was suggested, close to the a23 and a27 and better parking. i think the fact is that it will be built quicker if it stays at this site and if they can get the parking transport and roads right then the quicker the better.

The front of the building has become a right old hodge podge, lost its original elegance, and looks more like a parking lot. It no longer brings that healthy surge to the heart that such buildings can do.

What effect will a descending helicopter have upon residents and, indeed, patients inside the hospital?

so the new childrens hospital that was only built in 2007 at a cost of £37m will be knocked down and replaced?

there's nothing like a bit of forward thinking is there.

What's the betting that this all is being planned on the back of PFI money so the good folks of Brighton can have the pleasure of big bills for that in years to come and cutbacks in other health services, just like the lucky souls who are now paying through the nose for the Norwich & Norfolk hospital, and others. Another of good old Gordon Brown's gifts for the future generations to pay for...

Er - the children's hospital is plainly on this plan so I don't think it will be knocked down. And I seem to remember PFI being a Tory-invention, long before Mr Brown.

I am always keen on the preservation of the historical buildings in Brighton & Hove, however, in this case, I think we need to live up to the notion that B&H is a forward thinking city and do away completely with the existing building and build the state of art hospital the city desparately needs - option B looks better to me.

Also, as parking has been, and always will be an issue, do the plans consider underground parking for patients & visitors; would be interested if not, why not?

"Option A shows an octagonal shape for the tower while B has more of a square design."

That's just a wonderful phrase that truly sums up the journalistic talent on offer in the Argus... I can't read those words without, in my mind, seeing some 8 year old reading out his school report on the matter.

Blimey! listen to you lot....

It's NOT Brighton's hospital - it's the Royal SUSSEX, ergo serving both East & West Sussex...

Hence moving it to an out of town site would be best for all.

And as for "cycling" to the hospital: "Sorry, you can only come to hospital if you can prove you used environmentaly sustainable transport". What a plank you are!

Wiggsy wrote:
I am always keen on the preservation of the historical buildings in Brighton & Hove, however, in this case, I think we need to live up to the notion that B&H is a forward thinking city and do away completely with the existing building and build the state of art hospital the city desparately needs - option B looks better to me. Also, as parking has been, and always will be an issue, do the plans consider underground parking for patients & visitors; would be interested if not, why not?

Errh yes, it does consider parking, a multi-storey car park is stage 3 of the development in 2017 - 2018!

Stage 1 is the new wards etc, stage 2 the teaching facilities, finally the multi storey parking, all to be found on the hospital trusts website if you care to look! I did!

sussexone wrote:

Wiggsy wrote: I am always keen on the preservation of the historical buildings in Brighton & Hove, however, in this case, I think we need to live up to the notion that B&H is a forward thinking city and do away completely with the existing building and build the state of art hospital the city desparately needs - option B looks better to me. Also, as parking has been, and always will be an issue, do the plans consider underground parking for patients & visitors; would be interested if not, why not?

Errh yes, it does consider parking, a multi-storey car park is stage 3 of the development in 2017 - 2018! Stage 1 is the new wards etc, stage 2 the teaching facilities, finally the multi storey parking, all to be found on the hospital trusts website if you care to look! I did!

Well done & thank you, you clearly have a longer lunchtime than I do to look up these such things!!

I have been at the two recent meetings of the Hospital Liaison Group and can confirm that the option of underground car parking is being looked at but is not guaranteed for Phase 3. I am not sure what will happen if the budget runs out before then. Also, some of the predictions for traffic and car parking requirements have been based on the assumption of a Rapid Transit system. My understanding is that this has now been scrapped by the Council.

I am trying ever so hard not to be a Nimby. I did know that there was a hospital nearby when I bought my place, as I did when I lived in a road opposite Charing Cross Hospital in London. However, what I did not know was that there would be a 10 year programme of redevelopment that would impact quality of life through noise, development traffic, dirt. Based on the experiences of those people impacted most by the building of the Royal Alex, this will not be insignificant.

So this is where I am at. Plan B is better than Plan A which is much better than the monstrous multi-coloured 16 storey initial submission in the Outline Business Case.

13 storeys is definitely better than 16, but I agree with many local residents that this still represents over-development of the site, particularly when the footprint of the building comes to the edge of the boundary with Eastern Road. It is the scale of the building in proportion to it's surroundings which is at issue.

The proposed helipad at 16 + storeys will not be a welcome addition to the Brighton skyline and landing on the Thomas Kemp Tower would be a much better option.

The best result for this hospital, which will become a Major Trauma Centre for the whole of East and West Sussex, parts of Kent and into Surrey would be to relocate it to a more suitable site with better road access and more space. But they are not going to do that because they have build the Alex and now a medical school here.

I suspect that there is lip service being played to consultation. The local Councillors seem cosy with the Trust's Project Director and supportive of the scheme. He, not doubt will be on a tasty bonus for delivering on time, on budget, at any cost. He also, no doubt will go home in the evening and weekends to somewhere far away from his giant building site.

If I stay put, I will no doubt be living in a cloud of chalk dust with a property that may be adversely impacted by heavy plant and price falls.

I do acknowledge though I have a choice and can move. I also accept that we need a first class hospital as the current RSCH falls short on all counts.

However, the root cause of the current problems and standards of care at the RSCH are not down to the building, but down to the management of the Trust.

On that basis, the worst case scenario is that we end up with some monstrous carbuncle squeezed onto the site that will blight Kemp Town for the next 100 years - horrendous congestion causing problems for both patients, visitors and local residents and after all that, a continuation of the poor patient care and high levels of mortality.

The wrong planning decisions have been made in the 1990s that we are now about to live with the compromises that will have to be made as a result for a very long time to come.

P.S. Argus, please attend future meetings rather than just relying on the press releases from the Trust - that is just lazy journalism.

It's a pity they didn't think to use a site they already own that could accommodate their growing needs and is already next to the ambulance depot...BGH!