Worthing school asks parents to buy children iPads (From The Argus)

They arent computers. And they certainly arent top of the range. Was this written by work experience? If they need computers then laptops, proper laptops mind, are very cheap nowadays. The schools got a bit of a cheek if you ask me.

Why not buy a realy computer, or one that is even available in the UK

Hang on just a minute Argus - did the letter really specifically ask for a contibution to an Apple iPad? That would be daft considering their limited uses/high cost comparative to a laptop/netbook. However, if they asked for a contribution in order to buy "laptops, netbooks and tablet PCs" to enhace kids education then where is the problem ? I believe there is plenty of value in their use in the classroom. Specifically demanding iPads is ridiculous, they are underpowered and vastly overpriced (based on US prices/likley UK prices). You paying for a brand. Kids no more need iPads than they need Prada excercise books.

Whats the difference between an ipad and a rock?

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cheezburger wrote:
They arent computers. And they certainly arent top of the range. Was this written by work experience? If they need computers then laptops, proper laptops mind, are very cheap nowadays. The schools got a bit of a cheek if you ask me.

They arent computers eh? - First sentence on wikipedia def "The iPad is the first tablet computer".

Not top of the range? Sorry, how is multi-touch computing not top of the range? idiot.

The school is, I think trying to boost the students by keeping them up to date and ahead of the game in the fast moving tech world for the benefit of their future tech-driven career. You probably wouldn't know anything about that working at Wimpey though.

Ming wrote:
Why not buy a realy computer, or one that is even available in the UK

What you mean a computer that helps you spell correctly??!! It is available in the UK.

Spanners wrote:
Hang on just a minute Argus - did the letter really specifically ask for a contibution to an Apple iPad? That would be daft considering their limited uses/high cost comparative to a laptop/netbook. However, if they asked for a contribution in order to buy "laptops, netbooks and tablet PCs" to enhace kids education then where is the problem ? I believe there is plenty of value in their use in the classroom. Specifically demanding iPads is ridiculous, they are underpowered and vastly overpriced (based on US prices/likley UK prices). You paying for a brand. Kids no more need iPads than they need Prada excercise books.

Underpowered??! underpowered for what exactly? it will run spreadsheets, databases, games, internet, email, h264 video all on a custom-built A4 chip that actually preserves battery life. underpowered? Yes, you are paying for a brand because the brand is always ahead of the competition creating and implementing the latest technology which these students can benefit from. It can only be a good thing to keep these students up with the latest tech and comments to the contrary are small minded and is exactly the sort of negative thinking thats stops our younger generation from advancing their careers. Nice one Spanners.

StuartDenton wrote:

Spanners wrote: Hang on just a minute Argus - did the letter really specifically ask for a contibution to an Apple iPad? That would be daft considering their limited uses/high cost comparative to a laptop/netbook. However, if they asked for a contribution in order to buy "laptops, netbooks and tablet PCs" to enhace kids education then where is the problem ? I believe there is plenty of value in their use in the classroom. Specifically demanding iPads is ridiculous, they are underpowered and vastly overpriced (based on US prices/likley UK prices). You paying for a brand. Kids no more need iPads than they need Prada excercise books.

Underpowered??! underpowered for what exactly? it will run spreadsheets, databases, games, internet, email, h264 video all on a custom-built A4 chip that actually preserves battery life. underpowered? Yes, you are paying for a brand because the brand is always ahead of the competition creating and implementing the latest technology which these students can benefit from. It can only be a good thing to keep these students up with the latest tech and comments to the contrary are small minded and is exactly the sort of negative thinking thats stops our younger generation from advancing their careers. Nice one Spanners.

Try reading my comments properly - I clearly state I belive there is plenty of value for latops, netbooks, tablet PC and so forth in classroom. Indeed it is essential that kids are taught about and use such technology. Now I'm actually an Apple fan but your ill concieved arguements show you to be blind beyond that Apple logo. So lets take your comments apart shall we ? Firstly, as above I promote technology use so you are quite wrong to state my comments say otherwise. Secondly, the iPad is underpowered comparative to its cost. Other machines can do the same thing, with less restrictions for less money. Examples of such restrictions are a lack of multitasking and lack of flash support. Thirdly you mention batteries. Again, why should schools and parents be saddled with cost and hassle of non-user replaceable batteries.

So ,much as I hate to upset a loyal Apple Fanboy such as yourself, an iPad is clearly not the best solution for cash strapped schools and parents. They are no even remotely essential of course not. And challenge you to show me why they are.

Spanners wrote:

StuartDenton wrote:

Spanners wrote: Hang on just a minute Argus - did the letter really specifically ask for a contibution to an Apple iPad? That would be daft considering their limited uses/high cost comparative to a laptop/netbook. However, if they asked for a contribution in order to buy "laptops, netbooks and tablet PCs" to enhace kids education then where is the problem ? I believe there is plenty of value in their use in the classroom. Specifically demanding iPads is ridiculous, they are underpowered and vastly overpriced (based on US prices/likley UK prices). You paying for a brand. Kids no more need iPads than they need Prada excercise books.

Underpowered??! underpowered for what exactly? it will run spreadsheets, databases, games, internet, email, h264 video all on a custom-built A4 chip that actually preserves battery life. underpowered? Yes, you are paying for a brand because the brand is always ahead of the competition creating and implementing the latest technology which these students can benefit from. It can only be a good thing to keep these students up with the latest tech and comments to the contrary are small minded and is exactly the sort of negative thinking thats stops our younger generation from advancing their careers. Nice one Spanners.

Try reading my comments properly - I clearly state I belive there is plenty of value for latops, netbooks, tablet PC and so forth in classroom. Indeed it is essential that kids are taught about and use such technology. Now I'm actually an Apple fan but your ill concieved arguements show you to be blind beyond that Apple logo. So lets take your comments apart shall we ? Firstly, as above I promote technology use so you are quite wrong to state my comments say otherwise. Secondly, the iPad is underpowered comparative to its cost. Other machines can do the same thing, with less restrictions for less money. Examples of such restrictions are a lack of multitasking and lack of flash support. Thirdly you mention batteries. Again, why should schools and parents be saddled with cost and hassle of non-user replaceable batteries.

So ,much as I hate to upset a loyal Apple Fanboy such as yourself, an iPad is clearly not the best solution for cash strapped schools and parents. They are no even remotely essential of course not. And challenge you to show me why they are.

Lack of flash support is a deliberate ploy because the technology itself is buggy, a memory hog and restrictive. HTML 5 is the cleaner, faster alternative to which of course the iPad supports and to why major websites such as WSJ, YouTube are moving their content over to HTML 5. This is a called tech leap btw. No multitasking. That's funny because you can for instance play music whilst using another app and with push notifications that prompt you with links to new mail, events etc switching back and forth is easy. The reason Apple held back on multi-tasking is because it drains battery life and they didn't want their device to be sluggish and underpowered like their competitor's devices. Now that Apple have designed a chip that can preserve battery life, I'm sure you will see full multi-tasking in iPad 4.0 software update - not hardware update - software. Your point about why would schools and parents want to be saddled with costs towards batteries and purchasing an alternative - what like a laptop/netbook which has cheap parts and inferior operating system to run on them which in turn will lead to IT support costs and replacement costs more so than an Apple product down the line? Yes thats good cost-cutting thinking - buy cheap computer now, even though we will have to pay our hundreds and hundreds of pounds later... Apple fanboy?? yeh you are right and for good legitimate, future proof reasons. over to you.

There is no point in taking this any further- I've noticed you run a blog whose sole purpose is blind Apple worshiping. There is simply no reasoning with such religious extremism so I shall bang my head against the wall no longer. Time will tell

StuartDenton wrote:

cheezburger wrote:
They arent computers. And they certainly arent top of the range. Was this written by work experience? If they need computers then laptops, proper laptops mind, are very cheap nowadays. The schools got a bit of a cheek if you ask me.

They arent computers eh? - First sentence on wikipedia def "The iPad is the first tablet computer".

Not top of the range? Sorry, how is multi-touch computing not top of the range? idiot.

The school is, I think trying to boost the students by keeping them up to date and ahead of the game in the fast moving tech world for the benefit of their future tech-driven career. You probably wouldn't know anything about that working at Wimpey though.

As a well paid IT professional i think i know what im talking about son. The ipad is not the first tablet by a long chalk. There have been many, but you wouldnt know about that of course as you dont know what you are talking about, whereas i do. As for top of the range, at £400? You are joking. Try my Alienware kit at £4000. There are a lot of very high spec real computers out there. Even Apples top spec computer will cost £4k - £6K. This is not a computer proper, its a device. A very limited, but pretty device. You wouldnt call an iphone a computer would you? One more thing, wikipedia is not the be all and end all. Dont trust the everything you read on it. It allows anyone to update a topic, even misinformed people like yourself.

cheezburger wrote:

StuartDenton wrote:

cheezburger wrote:
They arent computers. And they certainly arent top of the range. Was this written by work experience? If they need computers then laptops, proper laptops mind, are very cheap nowadays. The schools got a bit of a cheek if you ask me.

They arent computers eh? - First sentence on wikipedia def "The iPad is the first tablet computer".

Not top of the range? Sorry, how is multi-touch computing not top of the range? idiot.

The school is, I think trying to boost the students by keeping them up to date and ahead of the game in the fast moving tech world for the benefit of their future tech-driven career. You probably wouldn't know anything about that working at Wimpey though.

As a well paid IT professional i think i know what im talking about son. The ipad is not the first tablet by a long chalk. There have been many, but you wouldnt know about that of course as you dont know what you are talking about, whereas i do. As for top of the range, at £400? You are joking. Try my Alienware kit at £4000. There are a lot of very high spec real computers out there. Even Apples top spec computer will cost £4k - £6K. This is not a computer proper, its a device. A very limited, but pretty device. You wouldnt call an iphone a computer would you? One more thing, wikipedia is not the be all and end all. Dont trust the everything you read on it. It allows anyone to update a topic, even misinformed people like yourself.

I would call an iPhone a post-pc device where the "phone" is just an app. Top of the range doesn't have to mean how much its worth - it can be how advanced the tech is itself - which it what I said. I used Wikipedia to point out as one example that even misinformed others consider the iPad a computer. I don't seriously have to point out the definition of a computer to a "well paid IT professional" do I?? and who said anything about the iPad being the first tablet? This whole discussion was about the benefits to the younger generation and school clearly agreed. thanks Dad.

Who said the ipad was the first tablet? You did when you quoted Wikipedia - The iPad is the first tablet computer".

cheezburger wrote:
Who said the ipad was the first tablet? You did when you quoted Wikipedia - The iPad is the first tablet computer".

ah Cheez you are funny. I love the way you have to nit pick and take quotes out of context when they are referring to one point about the iPad being a computer and you cut, copy and paste that quote and use it in another point. Nice one, well done. I'm done here, I've made my points. Have a nice day :-)

Spanners wrote:
There is no point in taking this any further- I've noticed you run a blog whose sole purpose is blind Apple worshiping. There is simply no reasoning with such religious extremism so I shall bang my head against the wall no longer. Time will tell

You can't win an argument with an Apple fanboy!! Of course they are over-priced and under-featured like most Apple products when they first come out. But you are judging them on technical grounds - its the same mistake I used to make. Apple makes stuff for the technically ignorant that just like nice looking things. There are many of them hence their success.

I wouldn't mind but they do tend to drag the rest of the market down to their level. Some of us actually like useful gadgets!!

ade1200 wrote:

Spanners wrote:
There is no point in taking this any further- I've noticed you run a blog whose sole purpose is blind Apple worshiping. There is simply no reasoning with such religious extremism so I shall bang my head against the wall no longer. Time will tell

You can't win an argument with an Apple fanboy!! Of course they are over-priced and under-featured like most Apple products when they first come out. But you are judging them on technical grounds - its the same mistake I used to make. Apple makes stuff for the technically ignorant that just like nice looking things. There are many of them hence their success.

I wouldn't mind but they do tend to drag the rest of the market down to their level. Some of us actually like useful gadgets!!

"But you are judging them on technical grounds"

Oh I nearly peed myself laughing!

Stuart Denton, you rock! You have owned these Microsoftee's! I am 100% pure Apple bayybeee! See you at the end of the queue boys!

Windows 7 was my idea................
... of hell

Everyone, I am not pro- or anti- Apple...but one thing I think no one has thought of, the school wants to train it's students using the iPad, but what is the point of that as when they enter the workforce they most likely would not be using the iPad/iPhone OS.
Now I want an iPad, out of greed admitally, but I would not train a tech student on it, Linux, Window, or Mac operating systems would make more sense.
That's me two pence, and make of it as you will.

ade1200 wrote:

Spanners wrote:
There is no point in taking this any further- I've noticed you run a blog whose sole purpose is blind Apple worshiping. There is simply no reasoning with such religious extremism so I shall bang my head against the wall no longer. Time will tell

You can't win an argument with an Apple fanboy!! Of course they are over-priced and under-featured like most Apple products when they first come out. But you are judging them on technical grounds - its the same mistake I used to make. Apple makes stuff for the technically ignorant that just like nice looking things. There are many of them hence their success.

I wouldn't mind but they do tend to drag the rest of the market down to their level. Some of us actually like useful gadgets!!

If ignorance is bliss you must be bleedin ecstatic.

The "power of electronic learning" - this is a new one I thought it was the old grey cells that we used to learn! How did we become so intelligent without computers? Now it looks as though we are on the downward path again.

I cannot believe the girlie bickering about computers when the issue is that a state school is asking parents to fork out for computers because it has decided to call itself a technology college...it chose to do this, so it should provide the equipment not ask parents to spend money.
This head teacher should stand down and it's even more disgraceful from a church school which should understand that this could cause social divide between those who can and cannot fund such an expense.
Disgusting.

StuartDenton wrote:

cheezburger wrote:
Who said the ipad was the first tablet? You did when you quoted Wikipedia - The iPad is the first tablet computer".

ah Cheez you are funny. I love the way you have to nit pick and take quotes out of context when they are referring to one point about the iPad being a computer and you cut, copy and paste that quote and use it in another point. Nice one, well done. I'm done here, I've made my points. Have a nice day :-)

OK, I'm going to nit-pic here!

Both of you seem to have fallen for the wikipedia self editing issue!

The iPad is not the first tablet computer. They have been around for ages, I saw them (tablet computers that is, not iPads) at educational shows about 5 years ago.

Apple have just relaunched the idea rather than anything else.

On the pro-v-anti debate. Won't get one, don't need one, have things that do the same sort of stuff much cheaper and imho in a much more user friendly way. (And in that I include phones and mp3/4 players!)

I agree, i was pointing out they arent anything new, been around for ages. I've got a Wacom tablet.

Now I don't know anything about Worthing technical college, but it sounds like its attended by spoiled kids with rich parents. In which case, what's the big deal. Whatever these emo brats (a big generalisation which I will probably later regret) want, their parents give them... and why not. If the parents can afford them... The real food for thought is whether writing things down is quicker than having to boot up the iPad, make sure everyone is looking at what they are supposed to and making sure they are doing what they are supposed to.

It seems that the world of today likes using technology for technologies sake. Computers, laptops and iPads are some of a few fantastic inventions for speeding up otherwise long processes, but for some tasks hand writing really is the quicker option. Learning is no exception.

I believe that a good teacher can tell where to use certain media if it is in the best interest of the student to learn more efficiently. Unfortunately, most teachers are the same unruley, mischievous, inappropriately mannored students I used to go to school with; who are ruled by unneccessary material posessions... but now I'm ranting.

Steve Jobs has proved the old addage of a fool and his money being parted. Be warned, the Apple Fanboys will declare Fatwa on the Kafirs if you continue to reject the Jobsian teachings inscribed on the Holy Tablet!

LimpWristed wrote:
Steve Jobs has proved the old addage of a fool and his money being parted. Be warned, the Apple Fanboys will declare Fatwa on the Kafirs if you continue to reject the Jobsian teachings inscribed on the Holy Tablet!

ROFL. That sounds about right. Some sort of computer extremism.

The fanboys (and girls in this case) will always give you a million points of why Macs are better. They are just totally sucked in by Apple's marketing, and think that they belong to some sort of social movement, and that they are in some way different and better. It's a computer dumbass, who cares? Caorline, have you even used Windows 7? I doubt it. It's awesome. Might have taken Microsoft a while to get it together, but at least it was built from the ground up, unlike OSX, which is a very closed-source variant of FreeBSD, a free open-source OS Unix kernel. Way to go Apple. Cutting edge there. In fact I know poeple who have got rid of OSX altogether on their MacBook Pros as Windows 7 runs really well on it.

Anyway, all this arguing is pointless. What can your Mac do that my Windows machine can't? Nothing. So who cares? Your Mac might look nicer, which is clearly just a question of taste, but it costs twice as much for the same spec and does the same things as a Windows machine. Plus mine is cheaper to get fixed, and I'm not tied into any kind of "care" package with Apple. If I want to change my graphics card, or add some RAM, or even upgrade my processor, I can. Easily. I dont have to send it back to Apple, for some exorbitant fee, or buy a new machine for twice the price. Don't you see? Jobs had made you all buy into this "lifestyle choice, man", and he's sitting atop his ever increasing pile of cash, laughing at you poor suckers.

If they were competetivly priced, and Apple were a bit more open minded/source about things, I would be waving the Apple flag for a hilltop. But they're not. They have a horrible capitalist ethos. You'd think they' be a bit more left-wing and social. They like you to think that, but it's a lie.

D3xt3r wrote:

LimpWristed wrote:
Steve Jobs has proved the old addage of a fool and his money being parted. Be warned, the Apple Fanboys will declare Fatwa on the Kafirs if you continue to reject the Jobsian teachings inscribed on the Holy Tablet!

ROFL. That sounds about right. Some sort of computer extremism.

The fanboys (and girls in this case) will always give you a million points of why Macs are better. They are just totally sucked in by Apple's marketing, and think that they belong to some sort of social movement, and that they are in some way different and better. It's a computer dumbass, who cares? Caorline, have you even used Windows 7? I doubt it. It's awesome. Might have taken Microsoft a while to get it together, but at least it was built from the ground up, unlike OSX, which is a very closed-source variant of FreeBSD, a free open-source OS Unix kernel. Way to go Apple. Cutting edge there. In fact I know poeple who have got rid of OSX altogether on their MacBook Pros as Windows 7 runs really well on it.

Anyway, all this arguing is pointless. What can your Mac do that my Windows machine can't? Nothing. So who cares? Your Mac might look nicer, which is clearly just a question of taste, but it costs twice as much for the same spec and does the same things as a Windows machine. Plus mine is cheaper to get fixed, and I'm not tied into any kind of "care" package with Apple. If I want to change my graphics card, or add some RAM, or even upgrade my processor, I can. Easily. I dont have to send it back to Apple, for some exorbitant fee, or buy a new machine for twice the price. Don't you see? Jobs had made you all buy into this "lifestyle choice, man", and he's sitting atop his ever increasing pile of cash, laughing at you poor suckers.

If they were competetivly priced, and Apple were a bit more open minded/source about things, I would be waving the Apple flag for a hilltop. But they're not. They have a horrible capitalist ethos. You'd think they' be a bit more left-wing and social. They like you to think that, but it's a lie.

My my, touched a raw nerve have we? lol. Only a Windows fan would think Apple fans belong to some sort of cult or social movement! wtf! And yes I have used Windows 7 actually and it was remarkable how reminiscent of OS X it was but then I would expect that with their blatant copying and feature "innovation" that they introduced in Vista and now "Windows 7". Even their adverts on tv "i'm a PC" copy Apple's marketing campaign! But I digress, "What can your Mac do that my Windows machine can't?" exactly bonafide example of Microsoft replicating the competitors features and technology, even Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said "Apple have a done a great job". yeh no ****. "Cost twice as much for the same spec" yeh thats because Apple build the hardware and the software unlike Microsoft to ensure maximum compatibility so you don't get all those countless hardware conflict messages like on Windows. Apple Care is optional not a tie-in - least they offer something unlike Microsoft - why do you think there are so many PC Repair shops scattered all over the country - it keeps them in business - No Mac repair shops - no money in it! Are you so uninformed that you don't think its possible to add RAM, graphics card, processor to a Mac without sending to Apple?? thick as ****. Jobs is sitting on top his pile of cash for good reason - The Mac marketshare is gaining ground for high quality hardware and software that with the No.1 customer satisfaction stats. How can Apple not be any more open-sourced - there is a whole community our there who develop apps and most of the time the are free! have you not heard of the open-source iPhone app store??!

Look, they are not perfect nor is any company but you can't deny the design, build and reliability **** all over Microsoft not to mention their implementation and introduction of technologies such as multi-touch which now every single mobile device company is scrambling to copy and have copied. Even Microsoft have ditched their Windows Mobile operating system on smartphones in favour of redesigning a completely new version because they realised they had no chance of competing if they didn't. I actually like the look of the new Windows 7 mobile OS but time will tell whether its still .DLL hell and susceptible to viruses and spyware to a greater extent that Apple's operating systems. If you are happy with you Windows life choice then good luck and i'll see you on the Mac forums next year when you see the light!

Shouldnt all us tech geeks stick together?

I remember one Microsft bod getting in trouble for saying Windows 7 was inspired by OSX.

CarolinePiers wrote:

D3xt3r wrote:

LimpWristed wrote:
Steve Jobs has proved the old addage of a fool and his money being parted. Be warned, the Apple Fanboys will declare Fatwa on the Kafirs if you continue to reject the Jobsian teachings inscribed on the Holy Tablet!

ROFL. That sounds about right. Some sort of computer extremism.

The fanboys (and girls in this case) will always give you a million points of why Macs are better. They are just totally sucked in by Apple's marketing, and think that they belong to some sort of social movement, and that they are in some way different and better. It's a computer dumbass, who cares? Caorline, have you even used Windows 7? I doubt it. It's awesome. Might have taken Microsoft a while to get it together, but at least it was built from the ground up, unlike OSX, which is a very closed-source variant of FreeBSD, a free open-source OS Unix kernel. Way to go Apple. Cutting edge there. In fact I know poeple who have got rid of OSX altogether on their MacBook Pros as Windows 7 runs really well on it.

Anyway, all this arguing is pointless. What can your Mac do that my Windows machine can't? Nothing. So who cares? Your Mac might look nicer, which is clearly just a question of taste, but it costs twice as much for the same spec and does the same things as a Windows machine. Plus mine is cheaper to get fixed, and I'm not tied into any kind of "care" package with Apple. If I want to change my graphics card, or add some RAM, or even upgrade my processor, I can. Easily. I dont have to send it back to Apple, for some exorbitant fee, or buy a new machine for twice the price. Don't you see? Jobs had made you all buy into this "lifestyle choice, man", and he's sitting atop his ever increasing pile of cash, laughing at you poor suckers.

If they were competetivly priced, and Apple were a bit more open minded/source about things, I would be waving the Apple flag for a hilltop. But they're not. They have a horrible capitalist ethos. You'd think they' be a bit more left-wing and social. They like you to think that, but it's a lie.

My my, touched a raw nerve have we? lol. Only a Windows fan would think Apple fans belong to some sort of cult or social movement! wtf! And yes I have used Windows 7 actually and it was remarkable how reminiscent of OS X it was but then I would expect that with their blatant copying and feature "innovation" that they introduced in Vista and now "Windows 7". Even their adverts on tv "i'm a PC" copy Apple's marketing campaign! But I digress, "What can your Mac do that my Windows machine can't?" exactly bonafide example of Microsoft replicating the competitors features and technology, even Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said "Apple have a done a great job". yeh no ****. "Cost twice as much for the same spec" yeh thats because Apple build the hardware and the software unlike Microsoft to ensure maximum compatibility so you don't get all those countless hardware conflict messages like on Windows. Apple Care is optional not a tie-in - least they offer something unlike Microsoft - why do you think there are so many PC Repair shops scattered all over the country - it keeps them in business - No Mac repair shops - no money in it! Are you so uninformed that you don't think its possible to add RAM, graphics card, processor to a Mac without sending to Apple?? thick as ****. Jobs is sitting on top his pile of cash for good reason - The Mac marketshare is gaining ground for high quality hardware and software that with the No.1 customer satisfaction stats. How can Apple not be any more open-sourced - there is a whole community our there who develop apps and most of the time the are free! have you not heard of the open-source iPhone app store??!

Look, they are not perfect nor is any company but you can't deny the design, build and reliability **** all over Microsoft not to mention their implementation and introduction of technologies such as multi-touch which now every single mobile device company is scrambling to copy and have copied. Even Microsoft have ditched their Windows Mobile operating system on smartphones in favour of redesigning a completely new version because they realised they had no chance of competing if they didn't. I actually like the look of the new Windows 7 mobile OS but time will tell whether its still .DLL hell and susceptible to viruses and spyware to a greater extent that Apple's operating systems. If you are happy with you Windows life choice then good luck and i'll see you on the Mac forums next year when you see the light!

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Well I must say that I use Windoze 98se/2000pro/XP pro Vista and 7, I also use Mac OSX (and have hacked OSX to run on my Dell) and Linux Mint 8 of them all I tend to use Mint 8 the most, Windoze 7 is just a rehash of Vista that has been cleverly designed to appear faster to the user and is just as virus prone as xp or vista, All of my computers in the office run Mint 8 and open office 3.2 as I firmly believe in open source software!, I also use the commercial paid for versions of Linux as well!.

I heard that Apple fanboys have 32 ipods waiting for them in Heaven (still in the original shrink wrap)!

Big Nasty wrote:
Well I must say that I use Windoze 98se/2000pro/XP pro Vista and 7, I also use Mac OSX (and have hacked OSX to run on my Dell) and Linux Mint 8 of them all I tend to use Mint 8 the most, Windoze 7 is just a rehash of Vista that has been cleverly designed to appear faster to the user and is just as virus prone as xp or vista, All of my computers in the office run Mint 8 and open office 3.2 as I firmly believe in open source software!, I also use the commercial paid for versions of Linux as well!.

Good point. However, does Mint 8 only let you use one bit of punctuation per paragraph? (only kidding :) )

I did use Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora and Mythbuntu for a while. I tried some different flavours, but I actually found Kubuntu to be even slower than Windows Fista. I also found I need to go back into Windows for some stuff I needed to do, and was rebootng the whole time. In the end just went back to Windows. I could have given OSX a go, but then I play games on my PC, and as most games use DirectX rather than OpenGL, that puts Macs right out. That, and the fact they're a bunch of bastards ofc :)

StuartDenton wrote:

cheezburger wrote: Who said the ipad was the first tablet? You did when you quoted Wikipedia - The iPad is the first tablet computer".

ah Cheez you are funny. I love the way you have to nit pick and take quotes out of context when they are referring to one point about the iPad being a computer and you cut, copy and paste that quote and use it in another point. Nice one, well done. I'm done here, I've made my points. Have a nice day :-)

Oh boys - regardless of who is the expert and who is right or wrong, what pains me is that you pursue this discussion without once using the 'c' word that covers both applications, software and hardware. The 'c' word in this instance is convergence! ;)

D3xt3r wrote:

Big Nasty wrote:
Well I must say that I use Windoze 98se/2000pro/XP pro Vista and 7, I also use Mac OSX (and have hacked OSX to run on my Dell) and Linux Mint 8 of them all I tend to use Mint 8 the most, Windoze 7 is just a rehash of Vista that has been cleverly designed to appear faster to the user and is just as virus prone as xp or vista, All of my computers in the office run Mint 8 and open office 3.2 as I firmly believe in open source software!, I also use the commercial paid for versions of Linux as well!.

Good point. However, does Mint 8 only let you use one bit of punctuation per paragraph? (only kidding :) )

I did use Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora and Mythbuntu for a while. I tried some different flavours, but I actually found Kubuntu to be even slower than Windows Fista. I also found I need to go back into Windows for some stuff I needed to do, and was rebootng the whole time. In the end just went back to Windows. I could have given OSX a go, but then I play games on my PC, and as most games use DirectX rather than OpenGL, that puts Macs right out. That, and the fact they're a bunch of bastards ofc :)

If I need speed I usually use Puppy Linux, that is well fast!, you will have to forgive my lack of punctuation :-), that's my doorman type brain, punctuation is a bit much for it!!!!. :-), I totally agree about Apple though that's why I run OSX on my dell, just to annoy them and the fact their hardware is over priced.

Stuartdenton, you talk **** about HTML5.

HTML5 isn't even finished. It's not certified. It isn't expected to be completed and fully certified until the end of 2012. That's 3 years away. So not including flash is a ridiculous decision.

No other computer or tablet pc has a problem with Flash, and if the iPad is oh-so powerful, why should it?

Most of you talk absolute ****. Bignasty claiming Windows 7 is just a rehashed Vista, and is just as virus prone as XP? Mate, where do you get your information? It's been proven by security experts worldwide that Windows 7 is more secure than OSX!

Honestly, stop being a keyboard warrior and get your facts straight.

And Caroline:


"because Apple build the hardware"


O rly? Apple build the hardware do they?

Apple don't build ANYTHING. They design it. Everything Apple design is made by companies such as Foxconn and Intel.

The iPad, is being manufactured by Foxconn.
The iPhone. The iPod. The Shuffle. All manufactured by Foxconn.

Can you guess who designs and makes Apple's motherboards? Or their hard drives? The ram? The processor?

Even the computer case?

Next time you come on here doing the whole "IM BEHIND THE INTERNET SO I CAN SAY WHAT I LIEK HAHAHA" thing, actually make sure what you're saying is factual. Otherwise, you look a tad ridiculous.
:)

mikebaden wrote:
Stuartdenton, you talk **** about HTML5.

HTML5 isn't even finished. It's not certified. It isn't expected to be completed and fully certified until the end of 2012. That's 3 years away. So not including flash is a ridiculous decision.

No other computer or tablet pc has a problem with Flash, and if the iPad is oh-so powerful, why should it?

Most of you talk absolute ****. Bignasty claiming Windows 7 is just a rehashed Vista, and is just as virus prone as XP? Mate, where do you get your information? It's been proven by security experts worldwide that Windows 7 is more secure than OSX!

Honestly, stop being a keyboard warrior and get your facts straight.

You'll have to forgive these Jobsian disciples Mike. Think about it, if you had just spent 4 times more than you should for a computer, you would probably lie to yourself to try and justify the purchase price too!

mikebaden wrote:
Stuartdenton, you talk **** about HTML5.

HTML5 isn't even finished. It's not certified. It isn't expected to be completed and fully certified until the end of 2012. That's 3 years away. So not including flash is a ridiculous decision.

No other computer or tablet pc has a problem with Flash, and if the iPad is oh-so powerful, why should it?

Most of you talk absolute ****. Bignasty claiming Windows 7 is just a rehashed Vista, and is just as virus prone as XP? Mate, where do you get your information? It's been proven by security experts worldwide that Windows 7 is more secure than OSX!

Honestly, stop being a keyboard warrior and get your facts straight.

Well as I run all of the OS's I can say with a FACT win 7 (which microsoft will tell you has the same basic kernel as Vista) just as virus prone as XP or vista and also has a ridiculous system of phoning home every 90 days to check if it is genuine, not just when you install the O.S., this has caused a lot of controversy as quite often it tells people their software is counterfeit when it is perfectly legit, the only way to sort this out is to phone Microsoft....... Not a good start.

Ah, so because you run ALLLL the OS's, you can state something as fact? The fact (snigger) that you have to back yourself up with such an argument proves how weak your opinion is.


I'm pretty sure security experts such as McAffee and Symantec know a lot more about security then you do. Both companies have said that W7 is a more secure platform than XP or Vista.


But you run all the OS's, so you're right? Right?


Er.....

(P.S I've worked in a computer lab which had over 100 machines running Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7, OSX (each different variant) and 25 different Nix distros. So if you want to have an argument about who has run the most OS's...feel free....)

Jim, a Symantec employee:

"Windows 7 is Microsoft’s most secure operating system yet"

Daniel, a McAfee employee, says that Windows 7 is "generations ahead" of XP in terms of security.

"Windows 7 is the most secure desktop OS."
techtarget.com

Is that what you call being owned?
;)

mikebaden wrote:
Jim, a Symantec employee:

"Windows 7 is Microsoft’s most secure operating system yet"

Daniel, a McAfee employee, says that Windows 7 is "generations ahead" of XP in terms of security.

"Windows 7 is the most secure desktop OS."
techtarget.com

Is that what you call being owned?
;)

Well he would say that wouldn't he Microsoft/Norton/McA
fee want people to SPEND money on the latest software Oh I can see it now ' hey guy's we've just come out with a new OS but guess what it uses so much more system power than XP, more memory and hence less efficient but it LOOKS better so it will do' by the way if Windoze is so solid and virus free why do 85% of the worlds servers run Linux (including Google and Facebook) unfortunately you appear to have been sucked in by the huge commercial propaganda machine that is Microsoft.....Oh and only 100 machines, that is next to nothing compared to what I service every year.........

mikebaden wrote:
Ah, so because you run ALLLL the OS's, you can state something as fact? The fact (snigger) that you have to back yourself up with such an argument proves how weak your opinion is.


I'm pretty sure security experts such as McAffee and Symantec know a lot more about security then you do. Both companies have said that W7 is a more secure platform than XP or Vista.


But you run all the OS's, so you're right? Right?


Er.....

(P.S I've worked in a computer lab which had over 100 machines running Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7, OSX (each different variant) and 25 different Nix distros. So if you want to have an argument about who has run the most OS's...feel free....)

I don't know you can even compare Ubuntu 9.04 to windows 7 much less 10.04. I've used both and linux still beats windows hands down and anyone that knows anything about a computer knows that. All of windows 7's new features have been available through ubuntu for decades. It's windows that's behind the times.