Biker nabbed after pulling wheelies on Sussex roads (From The Argus)

Good grief Naomi Loomes ! "a wreckless motorcyclist". Be very, very ashamed. It is the second word of article for crying out loud, you must have proof read this and not even realised what was wrong !

Wreckless? luckily, yes.

idiots like him give the rest of us a bad name.

I find the comments from the police a bit rich considering two of thier officers saw a car go into the back on me this week & drove past while I was spralled in the middle of the road. His units don't give a **** about making the roads safer.

only 3 months + the ban! riding like that he deserves to have his motorbike entitlement removed for ever. he obviously does/did it on a regular basis, as he has a device to flip his number plate. from that i would conclude that he is a habitual speeder, and probably does the same in any vehicle he drives. at 48 he should know better, and is very lucky he is still alive. i hope others who are tempted to do the same think twice now.

Does that mean his bike wasn't a wreck? Or is it just a continuation of Argus reporters illiteracy and reliance on cliches?

Well done Mr Stoddard-I would just like to thank you for giving every motorcyclist a bad name. We do not all drive like that, but with idiots like this, other road users preceive that we do. The ban is also far to short.

Wilftop wrote:
idiots like him give the rest of us a bad name.

I find the comments from the police a bit rich considering two of thier officers saw a car go into the back on me this week & drove past while I was spralled in the middle of the road. His units don't give a **** about making the roads safer.

They were probably en-route to another urgent incident.

There would be no other reason for them not to stop.

so why did they confiscate his bike?so he done a wheelie and was speeding,hardly the crime of the century was it.

bosshog wrote:
so why did they confiscate his bike?so he done a wheelie and was speeding,hardly the crime of the century was it.

What a pathetic statement to make.

You have clearly got no concept of the consequences of such driving/riding.

Gaz the great wrote:
Well done Mr Stoddard-I would just like to thank you for giving every motorcyclist a bad name. We do not all drive like that, but with idiots like this, other road users preceive that we do. The ban is also far to short.

Gaz,

You are absolutely right - idiots like this have a lot to answer for.

I used to have a great deal of sympathy for motorcyclists; for example, I would try to ease to the nearside to allow motorcycles to overtake me. I now hold my position on the lane I'm in - defensive driving - so as not to encourage them to overtake as they USUALLY do so in a dangerous manner.

Most motorcyclists were responsible - most are now irresponsible. They think they can follow your car, inches from the rear bumper and, I assume, believe they can stop if they have to.

Statistically, 20 years ago most seriously injured or killed were victims of other road users, most now are responsible for their own demise.

If only the same thing happened to police drivers and riders. They regularly drive and ride dangerously. This much is evident from the increasing number of bystanders who are killed by poliec vehicles.
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One law for the public, one for the police.

Shock-horror, bibble ignores the subject and has a go at police.

What a surprise.

You really are very boring and totally predictable.

So what

bibble wrote:
If only the same thing happened to police drivers and riders. They regularly drive and ride dangerously. This much is evident from the increasing number of bystanders who are killed by poliec vehicles.
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One law for the public, one for the police.

here we go, bibble's anti-police rant! how about commenting on the subject for once.

Bibble can't comment on the subject, that would require intellectual ability! He is only conditionned to utter remarks about the terrible Police!

live fast - have fun
live slow - post damning comments on youtube

ambassador wrote:

bosshog wrote: so why did they confiscate his bike?so he done a wheelie and was speeding,hardly the crime of the century was it.

What a pathetic statement to make. You have clearly got no concept of the consequences of such driving/riding.

Could you explain ambassador what the consequences are of a man completely in control of a powerful machine and using it within his capability? I think the consequences are it makes people go Tssscccchh and thats about it.

another village idiot wrote:

ambassador wrote:

bosshog wrote: so why did they confiscate his bike?so he done a wheelie and was speeding,hardly the crime of the century was it.

What a pathetic statement to make. You have clearly got no concept of the consequences of such driving/riding.

Could you explain ambassador what the consequences are of a man completely in control of a powerful machine and using it within his capability? I think the consequences are it makes people go Tssscccchh and thats about it.

I suppose one should expect such questions from a 'village idiot'.

Firstly, such driving/riding is against the law - it contravenes the road traffic act.

Secondly, it intimidates other road users and is highly anti-social.

Thirdly, it has no place on a public highway and should be restricted to the race track or circus ring.

And lastly, the cretin is not "completely in control of powerful machine" - if someone or something pulls out in front of him when he is riding on his rear wheel he will not be able to stop or take immediate avoiding action.

Yes, he MAY (or may not) be "using it within his capability" but the same could be said for a firearms expert using a gun to take pot shots in a crowded public place. He is well able to handle the gun but to use it in such a way in a public place is dangerous and irresponsible.

To have to explain such things to anyone reminds me of when my children were young and were asking childlike questions because they did not understand the fundamentals of life.

To have to explain such things to an adult - I assume the village idiot is an adult - makes me go "Tssscccchh".

Oh - and by the way 'idiot' the other possible consequence is that the cretin could kill HIMSELF and these dick-heads do, often, in Sussex and throughout the country.

And if you were one of the people involved in picking up the pieces - often literally (recovering crash helmets with heads inside, etc.) - and dealing with the bereaved relatives, perhaps you would have a different view.

Wake up 'idiot' and smell the coffee.

so if you speed in your car well over the limit its ok for plod to confiscate then. so he pulled a wheelie wake up and live in the real world.hardly crime of the century. did he kill anyone NO did he hurt anyone NO. big deal.cretin suppose you,ve never broken the law.

so if you speed in your car well over the limit its ok for plod to confiscate then. so he pulled a wheelie wake up and live in the real world.hardly crime of the century. did he kill anyone NO did he hurt anyone NO. big deal.cretin suppose you,ve never broken the law.

ambassador wrote:

another village idiot wrote:

ambassador wrote:

bosshog wrote: so why did they confiscate his bike?so he done a wheelie and was speeding,hardly the crime of the century was it.

What a pathetic statement to make. You have clearly got no concept of the consequences of such driving/riding.

Could you explain ambassador what the consequences are of a man completely in control of a powerful machine and using it within his capability? I think the consequences are it makes people go Tssscccchh and thats about it.

I suppose one should expect such questions from a 'village idiot'. Firstly, such driving/riding is against the law - it contravenes the road traffic act. Secondly, it intimidates other road users and is highly anti-social. Thirdly, it has no place on a public highway and should be restricted to the race track or circus ring. And lastly, the cretin is not "completely in control of powerful machine" - if someone or something pulls out in front of him when he is riding on his rear wheel he will not be able to stop or take immediate avoiding action. Yes, he MAY (or may not) be "using it within his capability" but the same could be said for a firearms expert using a gun to take pot shots in a crowded public place. He is well able to handle the gun but to use it in such a way in a public place is dangerous and irresponsible. To have to explain such things to anyone reminds me of when my children were young and were asking childlike questions because they did not understand the fundamentals of life. To have to explain such things to an adult - I assume the village idiot is an adult - makes me go "Tssscccchh".

Oi nob head who knows it all, I ride a superbike and dont appreciate being refered to as a dickhead, Yes he is breaking the law but someone on thier mobile phone in town will be more of a risk to other road users and pedestrians than a biker popping wheelies on a fast un pedestrianised peice of road and yet phone users are a daily occurence, secondly since when is a motorbike popping wheelies in his lane with obviously nothing in front of him intimidatng for other road users? A tail gating white van man is far more intimidating than that and again this is a daily occurence, also u say he may or may not be within his capabilities. This shows that u know nothing about riding a modern superbike, I have ridden an R1 and believe me that they are extremely fast and ballistic machines and to pull a wheelie well takes years of practice and skill so he obviously IS within his capabilities.

Fatpat wrote:

ambassador wrote:

another village idiot wrote:

ambassador wrote:

bosshog wrote: so why did they confiscate his bike?so he done a wheelie and was speeding,hardly the crime of the century was it.

What a pathetic statement to make. You have clearly got no concept of the consequences of such driving/riding.

Could you explain ambassador what the consequences are of a man completely in control of a powerful machine and using it within his capability? I think the consequences are it makes people go Tssscccchh and thats about it.

I suppose one should expect such questions from a 'village idiot'. Firstly, such driving/riding is against the law - it contravenes the road traffic act. Secondly, it intimidates other road users and is highly anti-social. Thirdly, it has no place on a public highway and should be restricted to the race track or circus ring. And lastly, the cretin is not "completely in control of powerful machine" - if someone or something pulls out in front of him when he is riding on his rear wheel he will not be able to stop or take immediate avoiding action. Yes, he MAY (or may not) be "using it within his capability" but the same could be said for a firearms expert using a gun to take pot shots in a crowded public place. He is well able to handle the gun but to use it in such a way in a public place is dangerous and irresponsible. To have to explain such things to anyone reminds me of when my children were young and were asking childlike questions because they did not understand the fundamentals of life. To have to explain such things to an adult - I assume the village idiot is an adult - makes me go "Tssscccchh".

Oi nob head who knows it all, I ride a superbike and dont appreciate being refered to as a dickhead, Yes he is breaking the law but someone on thier mobile phone in town will be more of a risk to other road users and pedestrians than a biker popping wheelies on a fast un pedestrianised peice of road and yet phone users are a daily occurence, secondly since when is a motorbike popping wheelies in his lane with obviously nothing in front of him intimidatng for other road users? A tail gating white van man is far more intimidating than that and again this is a daily occurence, also u say he may or may not be within his capabilities. This shows that u know nothing about riding a modern superbike, I have ridden an R1 and believe me that they are extremely fast and ballistic machines and to pull a wheelie well takes years of practice and skill so he obviously IS within his capabilities.

Well, Fatpat has raised a very important point.
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I commute to work on a motorbike.
The danger I encounter every day is not from bilers pulling wheelies. Instead it is idiot car drivers who are within the speed limit and using mobile phones or generally not looking before making a manoeuvre.
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Or it's people who do not know the meaning of two very simple words: safe distance.
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The problem with this case is this. This fellow did not harm to anyone, yet got three months in prison. I give the police 0/10 for their efforts in this case.
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By the way, today on my way home I saw a police driver make an illegal U-turn. It was contrary to the traffic sign. He was not an emergency call, he was using another route to the nearby police station, because of a traffic queue. Dangerous driving. Give the sod 6 months to teach him a lesson.

"The use of unmarked motorcycles fitted with video equipment allows us to target those who present the greatest risk to others, and allow the law abiding bikers to continue to enjoy the roads of Sussex.”
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So what about the recent case on video where the police rider broke the law by crossing a solid white line? Prosecute the dangerous rider, or shut up.

Fatpat & bibble,

I totally agree that any road user breaking the law or endangering other road users is an idiot. No one is excusing car drivers.

You are being completely idiotic inferring that all car drivers are bad and all bikers are perfect.

The statistics (and often the blood and body parts on the road) show that there are a higher percentage of irresponsible bikers. Often suffering injury or death when no other vehicle is involved.

And yes, police do break the law when they shouldn't and they should be admonished for it. But we are discussing irresponsible bikers.

You, as ever, just want a ya-boo-sucks-to-you-
they're-worse-than-u
s rant.

But if you two are justifying motorcyclist riding in the way that is being described then you are irresponsible and yes - you are both dick-heads.

And yes - I've called you 'names' because it's probably all you understand. You can call me one back if you want but it will not bother me in the least because I know the truth.

ambassador wrote:
Fatpat & bibble,

I totally agree that any road user breaking the law or endangering other road users is an idiot. No one is excusing car drivers.

You are being completely idiotic inferring that all car drivers are bad and all bikers are perfect.

The statistics (and often the blood and body parts on the road) show that there are a higher percentage of irresponsible bikers. Often suffering injury or death when no other vehicle is involved.

And yes, police do break the law when they shouldn't and they should be admonished for it. But we are discussing irresponsible bikers.

You, as ever, just want a ya-boo-sucks-to-you-
they're-worse-than-u
s rant.

But if you two are justifying motorcyclist riding in the way that is being described then you are irresponsible and yes - you are both dick-heads.

And yes - I've called you 'names' because it's probably all you understand. You can call me one back if you want but it will not bother me in the least because I know the truth.

Well said sir!................
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ambassador wrote:
Fatpat & bibble, I totally agree that any road user breaking the law or endangering other road users is an idiot. No one is excusing car drivers. You are being completely idiotic inferring that all car drivers are bad and all bikers are perfect. The statistics (and often the blood and body parts on the road) show that there are a higher percentage of irresponsible bikers. Often suffering injury or death when no other vehicle is involved. And yes, police do break the law when they shouldn't and they should be admonished for it. But we are discussing irresponsible bikers. You, as ever, just want a ya-boo-sucks-to-you- they're-worse-than-u s rant. But if you two are justifying motorcyclist riding in the way that is being described then you are irresponsible and yes - you are both dick-heads. And yes - I've called you 'names' because it's probably all you understand. You can call me one back if you want but it will not bother me in the least because I know the truth.

I suggest you learn to read properly. Where did I infer that "all car drivers are bad"? I didn't.
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I wrote that I encounter drivers using their mobile phones every day. That does not mean every driver is using a mobile phone. These people are a menace to me, because they are dangerous.
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I don't need to call you names to point out your ludicrous stupidity.

I CAN read properly - if only you could UNDERSTAND what you read.

My point was that people like you and one or two others on this forum have only one response to any criticism of - in this case irresponsible bikers - and that is to criticise other road users and/or the police.

That is what I meant when I highlighted your ya-boo approach.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE BAD CYCLISTS, CAR/VAN/LORRY/BUS DRIVERS. BUT THE SUBJECT UNDER DISCUSSION HERE IS BIKERS.

Bad drivers are not responsible for the actions of irresponsible bikers.

Irresponsible bikers are responsible for the actions of irresponsible of bikers.

All road users should comply with the road traffic act and behave responsibly.

My 'ludicrous stupidity' dictates that I believe that people like fatpat should not even hold a license.

His macho belief appears to be that he has unlimited ability and invincibility as a result of years of practice at 'pulling wheelies'.

Presumably, this practice took place on public roads? That is where most irresponsible bikers learn and practice (if they live long enough).

So, he's justifying novice bikers learning their suicidal skills on the public highways.

He refers to his "extremely fast and ballistic machine". His bike may be capable of rapid acceleration but it is ONLY capable of 70mph - in this country.

The same maximum speed as every vehicle on our roads. So what's so different about his vehicle?

Simple. His vehicle is his penis extension, like many bikers. He just wants to be able to waggle it about at will.

I repeat, dick-head.

Did he crash? No. Did he nearly cause a crash? No. Was there any indication in the article that he caused so much as an inconvenience to other road users? No. Those saying 'irresponsible bikers' should try improving their reading comprehension, and stop making up 'facts' like mindless Daily Mail readers.

Driving/riding without due care... . There does not have to be another road user present. The offence is complete.

That is the law - if you do not agree with the law or think it should be changed, then lobby your MP or start a campaign to have it changed. In the meantime, comply with the law.

I suggest it is you that needs to improve your reading AND comprehension by familiarising yourself with the law.

Start by buying a copy of the highway code which outlines the road traffic act (RTA). The RTA might be a little complicated for you.

Inform yourself of the facts before writing nonsense.

By the way - no one has mentioned the fact that this moron had gone to the trouble of fitting his bike with a device that when activated, hid his number plate.

So this was a law abiding and responsible rider then? No, of course not.

Such devices are not unusual on motorbikes. I personally have never heard of a similar device being used on any other type of vehicle - except on the 007 Aston Martin.

The only time that such subterfuge is seen on other vehicles is when false number plates are fitted and that only occurs when those vehicles are being used for crime.

That should tell you something about some bikers.

ambassador - I knew my comments would wind you up. Have you ever had a day of fun in your whole life? You make some valid points. My point is riding a motorbike is inherently dangerous, but it remains a thrill in a country where access to thrills is now very limited. Of course this bloke was a law breaker, as you mention his number plate lifting device is hardly socially acceptable. Thing is, his bike could break the speed limit in first gear, so he won't be offended by the assertion he's a law breaker. He's just a biker who wants to use his bike as it was designed, and got caught. To be able to ride a bike as the article describes marks him out as a very experienced road user, as most bikers are except the young ones who invariably do not last very long. Have a go on one and you'd be hooked.

another village idiot wrote:
ambassador - I knew my comments would wind you up. Have you ever had a day of fun in your whole life? You make some valid points. My point is riding a motorbike is inherently dangerous, but it remains a thrill in a country where access to thrills is now very limited. Of course this bloke was a law breaker, as you mention his number plate lifting device is hardly socially acceptable. Thing is, his bike could break the speed limit in first gear, so he won't be offended by the assertion he's a law breaker. He's just a biker who wants to use his bike as it was designed, and got caught. To be able to ride a bike as the article describes marks him out as a very experienced road user, as most bikers are except the young ones who invariably do not last very long. Have a go on one and you'd be hooked.

Well he should do it on a track then! his bike my be designed for ridiculous speeds (although I'm sure it wasn't designed to pull wheelies) but the public roads weren't designed for speed, they were made for commuting routes so people could travel from A to B, the man is a moron........

ambassador wrote:
Driving/riding without due care... . There does not have to be another road user present. The offence is complete. That is the law - if you do not agree with the law or think it should be changed, then lobby your MP or start a campaign to have it changed. In the meantime, comply with the law. I suggest it is you that needs to improve your reading AND comprehension by familiarising yourself with the law. Start by buying a copy of the highway code which outlines the road traffic act (RTA). The RTA might be a little complicated for you. Inform yourself of the facts before writing nonsense.

If he was pulling wheelies and so on, I would say he was riding very carefully. Riding with special care, actually.
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The law means nothing. It is a set of rules passed by corrupt politicians. I don't accept that any of them have dominion over me. Nor the police, nor the judges.
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We supposedly have policing by consent in this country, and I do not consent to the fascist policing that we have.

Big Nasty wrote:

another village idiot wrote: ambassador - I knew my comments would wind you up. Have you ever had a day of fun in your whole life? You make some valid points. My point is riding a motorbike is inherently dangerous, but it remains a thrill in a country where access to thrills is now very limited. Of course this bloke was a law breaker, as you mention his number plate lifting device is hardly socially acceptable. Thing is, his bike could break the speed limit in first gear, so he won't be offended by the assertion he's a law breaker. He's just a biker who wants to use his bike as it was designed, and got caught. To be able to ride a bike as the article describes marks him out as a very experienced road user, as most bikers are except the young ones who invariably do not last very long. Have a go on one and you'd be hooked.

Well he should do it on a track then! his bike my be designed for ridiculous speeds (although I'm sure it wasn't designed to pull wheelies) but the public roads weren't designed for speed, they were made for commuting routes so people could travel from A to B, the man is a moron........

Has anyone ever told you that you are boring? I expect so. Guess what, they were being polite. It's worse than that. You are wasting your life. Go and have a laugh for Gawds sake.

bibble wrote:

ambassador wrote:
Driving/riding without due care... . There does not have to be another road user present. The offence is complete. That is the law - if you do not agree with the law or think it should be changed, then lobby your MP or start a campaign to have it changed. In the meantime, comply with the law. I suggest it is you that needs to improve your reading AND comprehension by familiarising yourself with the law. Start by buying a copy of the highway code which outlines the road traffic act (RTA). The RTA might be a little complicated for you. Inform yourself of the facts before writing nonsense.

If he was pulling wheelies and so on, I would say he was riding very carefully. Riding with special care, actually.
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The law means nothing. It is a set of rules passed by corrupt politicians. I don't accept that any of them have dominion over me. Nor the police, nor the judges.
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We supposedly have policing by consent in this country, and I do not consent to the fascist policing that we have.

Well then, as an anarchist why the bloody hell are you moaning about other people who break the law - ie other road users or the police?

If you have no respect or truck with any laws or enforcers, shut your mouth and wind your neck in.

No, you are simply a brainless, ill-informed hypocrite who would probably be the first to call the police and demand that they enforce the law if someone upset you or crossed your path.

The cretinous biker probably was riding with a great deal of care, care not to fall off or loose control of the bike.

That is not the same care that the law requires. Yes, the law in general is sometimes flawed but intelligent people understand that it is necessary and live by it or at least by the spirit of it.

I will not be commenting on this site in the future as my circumstances have changed and I will have better things to do than debate with individuals who are lost causes.

A few on these pages are intelligent, decent individuals with whom - even if I disagree - it is interesting and a pleasure to debate.

One of two are lost causes, but you are simply a dick-head and I will respond no further to any comment you make.

another village idiot wrote:
ambassador - I knew my comments would wind you up. Have you ever had a day of fun in your whole life? You make some valid points. My point is riding a motorbike is inherently dangerous, but it remains a thrill in a country where access to thrills is now very limited. Of course this bloke was a law breaker, as you mention his number plate lifting device is hardly socially acceptable. Thing is, his bike could break the speed limit in first gear, so he won't be offended by the assertion he's a law breaker. He's just a biker who wants to use his bike as it was designed, and got caught. To be able to ride a bike as the article describes marks him out as a very experienced road user, as most bikers are except the young ones who invariably do not last very long. Have a go on one and you'd be hooked.

I see now that your earlier post was written to invoke a response. From the above post I can see that you are in fact aware of the dangers.

I do understand your points and what appears to be your philosophy but I cannot agree with your sentiments.

Yes, I have had many 'days of fun' in my life and for what it's worth I 'have the t-shirt. I've been there, done that - child of the 60s and still having fun.

I have done things that I now realise were foolish or even irresponsible. Then I grew up.

With age and experience comes judgement and maturity - for some.

Then there is the 'old chestnut' "Do you never break the law?" Well, the answer to that is "Yes." But I try not to; I try to comply with rules and regulations because they make the world run much more smoothly and sustain a level of fairness in society.

When I pay and park legally in a car park and walk to a shop to find the other shoppers are parked outside, blocking the street and/or pavement and/or pedestrian area on double-yellows, it **** me off.

Yes, I might park on double-yellows for 30 seconds to deliver or collect a small item (an offence) but not to do my shopping.

When I do an 'indicated' 80mph on a quite motorway (probably actually less than 75mph) and then a vehicle arrives behind me at speed and tail-gates me, it **** me off. Yes, I was breaking the law but he or she is being TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.

That is my simple philosophy on life.

Irresponsible behaviour like the above biker is totally selfish and arrogant.

I'm sure the reason I come across as a misery is because I don't find such behaviour 'funny'. For many years I have been in a role that involved dealing with the consequences of peoples selfishness, stupidity and recklessness.

Often such incidents are the result of a minor mistake or loss of attention but much of the time it is due to reckless stupidity or negligence and is totally avoidable.

As far as road 'accidents' are concerned, so many people think they can defeat the LAWS OF PHYSICS.

"The bloke in front stopped too quick." No, you were following too close.

"I only took my eyes off the road for a second to read a text." Yes you were committing a serious offence and you knew you should not be using a mobile phone.

"I didn't think the other bloke was going to pull out." Well, had you slowed down and 'read' the road..."

"I didn't see the motorcyclist coming along the road?" Well you should have slowed down, looked and given way.

Then there's the bikers. Motorcyclists who crash rarely say anything as they are lifted into an ambulance or undertakers van but it is usually plain to see who was at fault and 80% of the time it is NOW the biker.

Everyone including me makes mistakes - but so many people are reckless and careless morons as bibles post above shows. His attitude is contemptuous.

To those with whom I have debated sensibly over the past few months I wish you well and respect any differing views you have. I include 'village idiot' in that.

To a couple of you who are clearly either stupid or barking I say 'good luck', no hard feelings.

And finally bibble - you are a complete, unadulterated dick-head and should probably be detained to protect the public.

OK Ambassador - I think we are broadly in agreement except I'm forgiving the bike rider because occassionally I like to break the rules, wheras you have at some point in your life but don't any more. Perhaps you have matured and I nearly have, but not quite. I'm too old to do what he did even though I'm younger than him, but I have admiration for his skill and think he was unlucky to get caught. It doesen't say whether he is remourseful, maybe he is. All my responses are designed to provoke comment, otherwise why comment?

As the argus has a video of the event
in question. Why don't they post it up so we can make our own minds up

see you haven't changed dribble. Still a numpty

another village idiot wrote:
OK Ambassador - I think we are broadly in agreement except I'm forgiving the bike rider because occassionally I like to break the rules, wheras you have at some point in your life but don't any more. Perhaps you have matured and I nearly have, but not quite. I'm too old to do what he did even though I'm younger than him, but I have admiration for his skill and think he was unlucky to get caught. It doesen't say whether he is remourseful, maybe he is. All my responses are designed to provoke comment, otherwise why comment?

I respect your position and your honesty.

I take issue with just two points:

1) I too admire his skill but I think he was VERY LUCKY to get caught; it may just have saved his life or someone else's. Such skills should be restricted to the track which would minimise the risk to him and eliminate ANY risk to the public.

2) By being so provocative you give the wrong impression and do yourself a disservice. You are clearly a thinking person.

Unlucky!

Those unmarked police vehicles are tricky, eh?

ambassador wrote:

another village idiot wrote: OK Ambassador - I think we are broadly in agreement except I'm forgiving the bike rider because occassionally I like to break the rules, wheras you have at some point in your life but don't any more. Perhaps you have matured and I nearly have, but not quite. I'm too old to do what he did even though I'm younger than him, but I have admiration for his skill and think he was unlucky to get caught. It doesen't say whether he is remourseful, maybe he is. All my responses are designed to provoke comment, otherwise why comment?

I respect your position and your honesty. I take issue with just two points: 1) I too admire his skill but I think he was VERY LUCKY to get caught; it may just have saved his life or someone else's. Such skills should be restricted to the track which would minimise the risk to him and eliminate ANY risk to the public. 2) By being so provocative you give the wrong impression and do yourself a disservice. You are clearly a thinking person.

I thought u said u would not be commenting further? Just **** off with your boring out of date views. If you want to dither down an empty 3 lane motorway at a slow 70mph which was set about 50 years ago when cars could barely do 70 and cars didn't stop half as quick and drivers wern't half as trained then you do that. Me, I'm gonna ride my bike which I trained hard for to get my license and i'm gonna enjoy life and have fun on my bike and make my own decisions about whether the empty road ahead of me is safe to break the pre historic 70mph speed limit and of course it always is. Another thing are you aware that bikes stop a lot quicker than cars and that on a bike theres nothing to distract you(sat nav, stereo etc) so your reactions are a lot more crisp. You carry on obeying a badly dated speed limit and i'll carry on making my own mind up about when and where i can use my bike for what it was designed to do and do it safely.

Fatpat wrote:

ambassador wrote:

another village idiot wrote: OK Ambassador - I think we are broadly in agreement except I'm forgiving the bike rider because occassionally I like to break the rules, wheras you have at some point in your life but don't any more. Perhaps you have matured and I nearly have, but not quite. I'm too old to do what he did even though I'm younger than him, but I have admiration for his skill and think he was unlucky to get caught. It doesen't say whether he is remourseful, maybe he is. All my responses are designed to provoke comment, otherwise why comment?

I respect your position and your honesty. I take issue with just two points: 1) I too admire his skill but I think he was VERY LUCKY to get caught; it may just have saved his life or someone else's. Such skills should be restricted to the track which would minimise the risk to him and eliminate ANY risk to the public. 2) By being so provocative you give the wrong impression and do yourself a disservice. You are clearly a thinking person.

I thought u said u would not be commenting further? Just **** off with your boring out of date views. If you want to dither down an empty 3 lane motorway at a slow 70mph which was set about 50 years ago when cars could barely do 70 and cars didn't stop half as quick and drivers wern't half as trained then you do that. Me, I'm gonna ride my bike which I trained hard for to get my license and i'm gonna enjoy life and have fun on my bike and make my own decisions about whether the empty road ahead of me is safe to break the pre historic 70mph speed limit and of course it always is. Another thing are you aware that bikes stop a lot quicker than cars and that on a bike theres nothing to distract you(sat nav, stereo etc) so your reactions are a lot more crisp. You carry on obeying a badly dated speed limit and i'll carry on making my own mind up about when and where i can use my bike for what it was designed to do and do it safely.

I will stop commenting when it suits me you knob.

Sounds from that arrogant outburst as if you are bibble's sister?

You make my case better ever than I can. We all recognise you, we've all seen you and I've seen body parts in a bucket from people like you - who knew how to ride safely.

Think about this forum when your arse is next scrapping along the tarmac.

You may have trained hard to get your licence (a pity you were ever allowed one) but like so many people, you ONLY trained to get your licence, NOT to learn how to drive or ride well and safely.

That is one lesson that you may only learn once. Let's hope the lesson 'sinks in', in that split second just before you 'sink in' - to the car, lorry, tree or wall.

You are making bibble sound sensible....

When my arse is scraping down the road i'll most likely be thinking about how glad i'm wearing leathers and why did that car driver on his/her phone pull out in front of me. I have had a bad accident by the way and realise i'm not invinsible. My argument is that a biker popping wheelies is not that dangerous in the grand scheme of things and people who do 50 or 60 throgh town on their phone or doing their makeup or just generally not paying attention are more of a risk to others than a biker popping wheelies and yet they don't get jailed and have their vehicles taken away. Why?

chap. He was popping wheelies at over 100 mph through a speed camera where he had his number plate flipped up. He also carried out a rolling burnout across two lanes of a dual carriageway with other motorcycles in the very near vicinity and indeed a cyclist in lane one. He only flipped his no plate down when he saw the old bill trying to stop him. Again ask te argus to post the video and you will probably change your mind

BTIN wrote:
chap. He was popping wheelies at over 100 mph through a speed camera where he had his number plate flipped up. He also carried out a rolling burnout across two lanes of a dual carriageway with other motorcycles in the very near vicinity and indeed a cyclist in lane one. He only flipped his no plate down when he saw the old bill trying to stop him. Again ask te argus to post the video and you will probably change your mind

Exactly.

What does it tell you about someone that tries to justify such riding?

Fatpat, you are still missing the point - I entirely agree with you about drivers using mobile phones.

I do not believe that they are dealt with properly - the penalties should be similar to those given to this biker.

But we are nor talking about drivers on mobile phones, we are debating an idiot biker and you are trying to justify his actions.

Well, they cannot be justified. His actions were outrageous.

And just to remind you again - when a biker's bottom is scrapping along the road - heading for death or serious injury - there is an 80% chance that it is entirely his own fault, not the fault of some other road user.

Not that many years ago that figure would have been only 20%.

A terrible statistic and a sad indictment on the standard of riding today and the stupidity of allowing 200mph motorcycles to be street legal.

ambassador wrote:

BTIN wrote: chap. He was popping wheelies at over 100 mph through a speed camera where he had his number plate flipped up. He also carried out a rolling burnout across two lanes of a dual carriageway with other motorcycles in the very near vicinity and indeed a cyclist in lane one. He only flipped his no plate down when he saw the old bill trying to stop him. Again ask te argus to post the video and you will probably change your mind

Exactly. What does it tell you about someone that tries to justify such riding? Fatpat, you are still missing the point - I entirely agree with you about drivers using mobile phones. I do not believe that they are dealt with properly - the penalties should be similar to those given to this biker. But we are nor talking about drivers on mobile phones, we are debating an idiot biker and you are trying to justify his actions. Well, they cannot be justified. His actions were outrageous. And just to remind you again - when a biker's bottom is scrapping along the road - heading for death or serious injury - there is an 80% chance that it is entirely his own fault, not the fault of some other road user. Not that many years ago that figure would have been only 20%. A terrible statistic and a sad indictment on the standard of riding today and the stupidity of allowing 200mph motorcycles to be street legal.

Ok ambassador I respect your opinion mate and do agree with some of the things you say. I'm done with commenting now. By the way I cant even pull wheelies coz they scare the crap out of me lol. No hard feelings about our online debate. All the best. :-)

Fatpat,

No, no hard feelings at all.

It is difficult to describe your real opinions and concerns via the digital media in just a few sentences. And we all fall into the trap of 'reacting' to others' brief and un-detailed comments by responding with similar brief and un-detailed comments.

Comments I make on-line are often slated as fuddy-duddy and from a boring old **** who nevers exceeds 35mph and probably wears string backed driving gloves, when in fact I've driven and ridden most types of vehicle, driven on racing circuits and used to rally a Cooper 'S'.

I still drive fast-ish but try to stick to the limits and the rules. Rapid, smooth progress means fast journey times, no tickets and a relaxed feeling on arrival.

Never had a ticket in 41 years. Just made my first insurance claim in 41 years having had a mirror 'destroyed' by a very experienced 18 year old.

But I have seen and dealt with much carnage and tragedy involving ordinary, decent people who thought they were good drivers/riders and thought they could defeat the laws of physics. No one can.

It colours your views!

All the best!

just to let you all know this biker was not doing 100 mph as you all seem to think, he was doing 64 mph in a 60mph zone, if any of you have seen the video like i have you would know....

And your point is?

If you are suggesting what I think you are suggesting I would say this.

None of us witnessed the incident or were present in the court to hear the evidence.

Given the reluctance of courts these days to hand out meaningful sentences I suspect the evidence was compelling, dramatic and conclusive.

I must say, SPEED don't kill, I have driven 200+mph in my car, and + 180mph on my bike, GREAT FUN.
But right time and right place. M1 is a great place between 2am & 5am.
A few may remember when the M1 opened it was open speed limit, and it should be at the about times, as when i drive it I want to go to sleep.

exactly, none of YOU were present in court..... and no the evidence wasnt compelling, dramatic or conclusive, it was a five minute clip!!!!!!

blondebluey wrote:
exactly, none of YOU were present in court..... and no the evidence wasnt compelling, dramatic or conclusive, it was a five minute clip!!!!!!

The video would have been only part of the evidence.

tpebop... wrote:
I must say, SPEED don't kill, I have driven 200+mph in my car, and + 180mph on my bike, GREAT FUN.
But right time and right place. M1 is a great place between 2am & 5am.
A few may remember when the M1 opened it was open speed limit, and it should be at the about times, as when i drive it I want to go to sleep.

Speed alone does not kill.

A mechanical failure at 70mph is unlikely to kill.

A mechanical failure at 200mph is likely to result in serious injury or death.

The mechanical failure will not be the cause of the death or injury it will be the speed.

Substitute 'mechanical failure' with 'driver error' and the same applies.

So, speed kills.

tpebop... wrote:
I must say, SPEED don't kill, I have driven 200+mph in my car, and + 180mph on my bike, GREAT FUN.
But right time and right place. M1 is a great place between 2am & 5am.
A few may remember when the M1 opened it was open speed limit, and it should be at the about times, as when i drive it I want to go to sleep.

Further to the above, the M1 is not devoid of traffic at any time of day or night.

At the sort of speeds you mention, any collision or loss of control could easily result in the vehicle crossing the central reservation.

I for one do not want to be subjected to oncoming vehicles approaching at 200mph (or anywhere near that speed) when I am doing 70mph on a motorway.

Nor do I want vehicles approaching me from behind with a closing speed of 130mph.

The consequences of an impact with another vehicle with a closing speed of 270mph does not need to be described - apart from, that is, apparently to you.

When the M1 was opened there was no central reservation barrier (Armco) and the resultant collisions caused by vehicles, even those travelling at reasonable speeds, crossing the central reservation was horrendous.

But as a result of some drivers driving recklessly (at high speed) and crashing head on, Armco was installed.