Who won tonight's leaders' election debate? (From The Argus)
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Who won tonight's leaders' election debate?
9:39pm Thursday 22nd April 2010 in News
POLL: Who won tonight's TV debate? (picture courtesy of Sky News)
The lights have just gone down on the second in a series of three TV debates between the three main party leaders.
Afghanistan, the economy and immigration were hot topics, and Brown, Clegg and Cameron all locked horns.
Body language seemed different to last week and nobody appeared to "agree with Nick" this time around, but what did you think?
Was Brown more convincing than last time? Did Clegg get a verbal beating from his opponents? Did Cameron really say he was "blown away" in Afghanistan?
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Comments(41)
TheInsider
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10:08pm Thu 22 Apr 10
It's almost as unbelievable as the fluff inside it. There is not one policy outlined.
Just waffle like: We will improve shools. Simon will walk the Stonewall walk for the gays.
What is he doing for the local issues. His website is as empty.
As for Burgess and the others, not a peep. Simon was writing to me weekly but not a peep in weeks. At least his website has some information on it about local issues.
acdcvelocity
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10:28pm Thu 22 Apr 10
B&H has mostly been Tory in its electoral history and it's likely it will return Tory on May 7.
Andre Spooner
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10:31pm Thu 22 Apr 10
Council Pound
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10:57pm Thu 22 Apr 10
TheInsider
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11:02pm Thu 22 Apr 10
Will anyone realy put an X in their boxes without visiting their websites first.
I am still undecided on the others, but these two are complete chancers. Watch Simon Kirby in a video featured on a video on his Labour opponent Simon Burgess's website. It's horrific.
ade1200
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5:15am Fri 23 Apr 10
Council Pound wrote:But her policies are illogical captain.
Does anyone agree that Dr Caroline Lucas is a desendant of Dr Spock? (answers on a postcard please)
pw08
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6:34am Fri 23 Apr 10
Council Pound wrote:... and Charlotte Vere and Simon Kirby are Vogons. The aliens are taking over!
Does anyone agree that Dr Caroline Lucas is a desendant of Dr Spock? (answers on a postcard please)
cheezburger
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8:08am Fri 23 Apr 10
Council Pound wrote:Who is Dr Spock? Do you mean the baby expert? Or did you mean Mr spocl from Star Trek? You are very confused and probably do need a doctor.
Does anyone agree that Dr Caroline Lucas is a desendant of Dr Spock? (answers on a postcard please)
sdthetruth
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9:39am Fri 23 Apr 10
acdcvelocity wrote:Very true indeed.
I wonder how many real Brightonians out in the suburbs are intending to vote Green? Not very many will be wasting their votes on that bunch of loonies.
B&H has mostly been Tory in its electoral history and it's likely it will return Tory on May 7.
Historically and traditionally the region is very blue, until the local council became infected with the Socialist disease throughout the 1980's and 1990's. These idiots then went about changing B&H's image from a decent place to a drug infested rat hole.
The Labour disease has shown what it can do in B&H and many other parts of the country. To see them in third place on May 7 would be justice.
Nyberg
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9:46am Fri 23 Apr 10
sdthetruth wrote:But they won't be.
acdcvelocity wrote: I wonder how many real Brightonians out in the suburbs are intending to vote Green? Not very many will be wasting their votes on that bunch of loonies. B&H has mostly been Tory in its electoral history and it's likely it will return Tory on May 7.Very true indeed. Historically and traditionally the region is very blue, until the local council became infected with the Socialist disease throughout the 1980's and 1990's. These idiots then went about changing B&H's image from a decent place to a drug infested rat hole. The Labour disease has shown what it can do in B&H and many other parts of the country. To see them in third place on May 7 would be justice.
Nyberg
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9:56am Fri 23 Apr 10
Clegg performed well again, but the surprise for me was how much better Gordon Brown was. (I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not voting for Brown)
The stupid Sun 'instant poll' shown on Sky after the debate was laughable, showing Cameron as the clear winner. We all know the Rupert Murdoch owns the Sun and also Sky. And which party is he backing to win? The Conservatives.
What a joke...
Charismatic Andrew
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10:01am Fri 23 Apr 10
Nyberg wrote:They certainly will be in Brighton Pavilion. Which is a shame because Nancy Platts is a great candidate supporting local issues, but she's been let down by the appalling state of the local Labour Party and the Government's performance.
sdthetruth wrote:But they won't be.acdcvelocity wrote: I wonder how many real Brightonians out in the suburbs are intending to vote Green? Not very many will be wasting their votes on that bunch of loonies. B&H has mostly been Tory in its electoral history and it's likely it will return Tory on May 7.Very true indeed. Historically and traditionally the region is very blue, until the local council became infected with the Socialist disease throughout the 1980's and 1990's. These idiots then went about changing B&H's image from a decent place to a drug infested rat hole. The Labour disease has shown what it can do in B&H and many other parts of the country. To see them in third place on May 7 would be justice.
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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10:31am Fri 23 Apr 10
I can't believe I'm saying that as I've been interested in politics since 1970. Since 1974 I've voted in every election, local and national, as well as being involved in more street-level politics (demos, marches etc), but today there isn't a single party that I feel I can support - even the Labour party for whom I've always traditionally voted.
And I live in Brighton Pavilion, probably one of the most interesting constituencies in the country! What a waste!
Anyway, wake me up when it's all over.
sdthetruth
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10:32am Fri 23 Apr 10
Nyberg wrote:So please enlighten people here how a Swede (if you truly are) has the right to vote in a UK election!
I think the Argus poll result is showing it about right. I think it was a disaster (again) for Cameron, who now looks increasingly desperate and worried.
Clegg performed well again, but the surprise for me was how much better Gordon Brown was. (I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not voting for Brown)
The stupid Sun 'instant poll' shown on Sky after the debate was laughable, showing Cameron as the clear winner. We all know the Rupert Murdoch owns the Sun and also Sky. And which party is he backing to win? The Conservatives.
What a joke...
Andre Spooner
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11:10am Fri 23 Apr 10
HailshamGull
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11:22am Fri 23 Apr 10
Nyberg wrote:I love the way that if a poll does not reflect your views then it is a joke and a sham with an agenda. Frankly I think they are all as shabby as each other. Clegg is not new, he is a public school educated career politician. Brown talks the talk but why have all these issues not been addressed while in office. Cameron vaguely won the debate in my view last night, but not enough to pretend that all is rosy in the tory garden.
I think the Argus poll result is showing it about right. I think it was a disaster (again) for Cameron, who now looks increasingly desperate and worried. Clegg performed well again, but the surprise for me was how much better Gordon Brown was. (I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not voting for Brown) The stupid Sun 'instant poll' shown on Sky after the debate was laughable, showing Cameron as the clear winner. We all know the Rupert Murdoch owns the Sun and also Sky. And which party is he backing to win? The Conservatives. What a joke...
The trouble is it is 2 against 1.. Brown and Clegg against Cameron. However you swing it, a vote for Clegg is a vote to keep Brown in power, albeit weaker, having to ask Clegg everytime he wants to do something. I really only want a majority government, be it Labour, Liberal or Tory. A hung parliament would be a DISASTER in my opinion
Andy R
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11:33am Fri 23 Apr 10
Council Pound wrote:I see no resemblance whatsoever to the eminent American child psychologist. Now MR Spock the Star Trek vulcan on the other hand.....
Does anyone agree that Dr Caroline Lucas is a desendant of Dr Spock? (answers on a postcard please)
Nyberg
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11:50am Fri 23 Apr 10
sdthetruth wrote:Please.... hasn't anyone read the Wallander books or watched it on tv?
Nyberg wrote: I think the Argus poll result is showing it about right. I think it was a disaster (again) for Cameron, who now looks increasingly desperate and worried. Clegg performed well again, but the surprise for me was how much better Gordon Brown was. (I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not voting for Brown) The stupid Sun 'instant poll' shown on Sky after the debate was laughable, showing Cameron as the clear winner. We all know the Rupert Murdoch owns the Sun and also Sky. And which party is he backing to win? The Conservatives. What a joke...So please enlighten people here how a Swede (if you truly are) has the right to vote in a UK election!
Nyberg is a character from those novels, and I live in Brighton, not Ystad.
Do you think everyone posting here uses their real names and location?
Bennn
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11:50am Fri 23 Apr 10
TheInsider wrote:I got that leaflet too. Gosh he looks terrible on the front of it! And who is this guy? I have never ever seen him around Kemptown. For the debate at the Tin Drum the other night he sent a representative. His website is awful and he really doesn't seem interested in winning this election. Simon Burgess seems like a good guy, but the fact that he's Labour won't really help him.
I had a leaflet from Simon Kirby today. What has happened to his hair. It's almost as unbelievable as the fluff inside it. There is not one policy outlined. Just waffle like: We will improve shools. Simon will walk the Stonewall walk for the gays. What is he doing for the local issues. His website is as empty. As for Burgess and the others, not a peep. Simon was writing to me weekly but not a peep in weeks. At least his website has some information on it about local issues.
As for Brighton Pavillion of course Caroline Lucas is going to win there. You always see her campaining in the North Laine and on London Road. Her team have been doing a great door-to-door job and the Greens have really be gaining momentum in that part fof the city.
The other candidates really aren't very good. Pratts is OKish but Charlotte Vere should really go back to London. She doesn't fit in at all here and won't be a big threat to Lucas.
Nyberg
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11:59am Fri 23 Apr 10
HailshamGull wrote:As far as I'm concerned any result that gives us the chance of changing the voting system to PR, is the right one.
Nyberg wrote: I think the Argus poll result is showing it about right. I think it was a disaster (again) for Cameron, who now looks increasingly desperate and worried. Clegg performed well again, but the surprise for me was how much better Gordon Brown was. (I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not voting for Brown) The stupid Sun 'instant poll' shown on Sky after the debate was laughable, showing Cameron as the clear winner. We all know the Rupert Murdoch owns the Sun and also Sky. And which party is he backing to win? The Conservatives. What a joke...I love the way that if a poll does not reflect your views then it is a joke and a sham with an agenda. Frankly I think they are all as shabby as each other. Clegg is not new, he is a public school educated career politician. Brown talks the talk but why have all these issues not been addressed while in office. Cameron vaguely won the debate in my view last night, but not enough to pretend that all is rosy in the tory garden. The trouble is it is 2 against 1.. Brown and Clegg against Cameron. However you swing it, a vote for Clegg is a vote to keep Brown in power, albeit weaker, having to ask Clegg everytime he wants to do something. I really only want a majority government, be it Labour, Liberal or Tory. A hung parliament would be a DISASTER in my opinion
I have only voted Labour once, in 1997, because in their manifesto they promised a referendum on PR. As we all know, it never happened.
A hung parliament with the Lib Dems holding the casting votes, will force either a referendum on PR, or the introduction of some sort of PR voting system.
That's all I'm interested in right now, having had a lifetime of the totally unfair and unrepresentative 'first past the post' system.
Christophe Hawtree
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12:00pm Fri 23 Apr 10
HailshamGull
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12:24pm Fri 23 Apr 10
Nyberg wrote:PR, permanent hung parliaments, inter party bickering and short parliamentary terms. That for the UK would be a complete nightmare with parties like the BNP, UKIP et al getting more votes and representation and possibly holding a postion of power over the government. PR would be IMO lead to a complete and utter mess.
HailshamGull wrote:As far as I'm concerned any result that gives us the chance of changing the voting system to PR, is the right one. I have only voted Labour once, in 1997, because in their manifesto they promised a referendum on PR. As we all know, it never happened. A hung parliament with the Lib Dems holding the casting votes, will force either a referendum on PR, or the introduction of some sort of PR voting system. That's all I'm interested in right now, having had a lifetime of the totally unfair and unrepresentative 'first past the post' system.Nyberg wrote: I think the Argus poll result is showing it about right. I think it was a disaster (again) for Cameron, who now looks increasingly desperate and worried. Clegg performed well again, but the surprise for me was how much better Gordon Brown was. (I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not voting for Brown) The stupid Sun 'instant poll' shown on Sky after the debate was laughable, showing Cameron as the clear winner. We all know the Rupert Murdoch owns the Sun and also Sky. And which party is he backing to win? The Conservatives. What a joke...I love the way that if a poll does not reflect your views then it is a joke and a sham with an agenda. Frankly I think they are all as shabby as each other. Clegg is not new, he is a public school educated career politician. Brown talks the talk but why have all these issues not been addressed while in office. Cameron vaguely won the debate in my view last night, but not enough to pretend that all is rosy in the tory garden. The trouble is it is 2 against 1.. Brown and Clegg against Cameron. However you swing it, a vote for Clegg is a vote to keep Brown in power, albeit weaker, having to ask Clegg everytime he wants to do something. I really only want a majority government, be it Labour, Liberal or Tory. A hung parliament would be a DISASTER in my opinion
Masterchav
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1:22pm Fri 23 Apr 10
£50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months.
You get what you vote for!!
Txa
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1:23pm Fri 23 Apr 10
That why most people don't trust the EU because it's eroding our democratic rights and taking away our freedoms. Conclusion: EU if you don't change we don't need you!
HailshamGull
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1:29pm Fri 23 Apr 10
Masterchav wrote:Totally and utterly agree. If anybody can remember the last Lib-Lab pact, it was a nightmare of in-fighting, economic ruin and weak government. Lasted about 18 months......
God help us if the greens or labour get in (despite Nyberg's best attempts to dominate the comments on this page, is he/she Nick Clegg? You'd have thought so by the comments). £50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months. You get what you vote for!!
Nyberg
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2:02pm Fri 23 Apr 10
HailshamGull wrote:I want interest rates to go up, and also want houses prices to halve.
Masterchav wrote: God help us if the greens or labour get in (despite Nyberg's best attempts to dominate the comments on this page, is he/she Nick Clegg? You'd have thought so by the comments). £50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months. You get what you vote for!!Totally and utterly agree. If anybody can remember the last Lib-Lab pact, it was a nightmare of in-fighting, economic ruin and weak government. Lasted about 18 months......
Interest rates are being kept artificially low, and because of that house prices are being kept artificially high, and it's totally wrong.
And yes, I do own a house.
ade1200
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2:32pm Fri 23 Apr 10
Baldseagull
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3:19pm Fri 23 Apr 10
HailshamGull wrote:No Lib/Lab this time, Lib/Con maybe and why not an outright Liberal government?
Masterchav wrote:Totally and utterly agree. If anybody can remember the last Lib-Lab pact, it was a nightmare of in-fighting, economic ruin and weak government. Lasted about 18 months......
God help us if the greens or labour get in (despite Nyberg's best attempts to dominate the comments on this page, is he/she Nick Clegg? You'd have thought so by the comments). £50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months. You get what you vote for!!
Who thought Blair would manage such a huge swing from Tory to Labour in 97?
There are a lot of first time voters with no respect for history or tactical voting, liberal victory is possible.
Gaz the great
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3:25pm Fri 23 Apr 10
RickH
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4:22pm Fri 23 Apr 10
cheezburger wrote:Beat me to it (except for the final sentence!)
Council Pound wrote: Does anyone agree that Dr Caroline Lucas is a desendant of Dr Spock? (answers on a postcard please)Who is Dr Spock? Do you mean the baby expert? Or did you mean Mr spocl from Star Trek? You are very confused and probably do need a doctor.
JamboBrighton
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6:52pm Fri 23 Apr 10
Gaz the great wrote:What, the Murdoch-owned nationals? The ones that censored the YouGov poll last week which translated into seats would have the Lib Dems with an absoulute majority? Murdoch owns 40% of the British press. He supports the torys. My only hope is that most people won't believe what they read, but I suppose considering most people don't even vote (the idiots), there isn't much chance of that happening.
If you believe the nationals-Clegg is as bent as the rest of them, maybe more so. I agree that Labour need to go because after 13 years of talking, there appears to have been little action, except the policies the public did not want. As for the Greens, lets not go there!
TheInsider
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7:04pm Fri 23 Apr 10
As well as national policies, let's all vote for people who actually have been living and working to help communities. I am sick of drive-by MPs.
Simon Kirby, I am still waiting for you to answer my question: Do you use the local NHS and do your six kids attend local schools?
Week three of asking. Oh and why did you send a rep' to a local meeting the other night as stated above. Were you too busy with your kids and multi-million pound business to deal with a local event.
Can you promise floating voters that you can really put in the hours?
Come on give us the answers. Tweet, post, facebook. You have the kit, you just don't seem to answer.
I will be starting on the others as well as still none of them are floating my floating voter boat.
sdthetruth
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7:56pm Fri 23 Apr 10
Nyberg wrote:Not their real names but 99% use their real location. Why be a twit?
sdthetruth wrote:Please.... hasn't anyone read the Wallander books or watched it on tv?
Nyberg wrote: I think the Argus poll result is showing it about right. I think it was a disaster (again) for Cameron, who now looks increasingly desperate and worried. Clegg performed well again, but the surprise for me was how much better Gordon Brown was. (I'm trying to be objective here, I'm not voting for Brown) The stupid Sun 'instant poll' shown on Sky after the debate was laughable, showing Cameron as the clear winner. We all know the Rupert Murdoch owns the Sun and also Sky. And which party is he backing to win? The Conservatives. What a joke...So please enlighten people here how a Swede (if you truly are) has the right to vote in a UK election!
Nyberg is a character from those novels, and I live in Brighton, not Ystad.
Do you think everyone posting here uses their real names and location?
sdthetruth
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8:22pm Fri 23 Apr 10
Baldseagull wrote:This is one of the most intelligent comments made so far in my opinion.
HailshamGull wrote:No Lib/Lab this time, Lib/Con maybe and why not an outright Liberal government?
Masterchav wrote:Totally and utterly agree. If anybody can remember the last Lib-Lab pact, it was a nightmare of in-fighting, economic ruin and weak government. Lasted about 18 months......
God help us if the greens or labour get in (despite Nyberg's best attempts to dominate the comments on this page, is he/she Nick Clegg? You'd have thought so by the comments). £50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months. You get what you vote for!!
Who thought Blair would manage such a huge swing from Tory to Labour in 97?
There are a lot of first time voters with no respect for history or tactical voting, liberal victory is possible.
That's right, a totally new generation of voters exist now. Gone are the Tory mass voters from the 1980's. Meanwhile the Labour vote is being crushed as we speak. It is now not an impossibility that Clegg could make it into No 10 in a hung parliament though perhaps not very likely. My money is still on Cameron, though whether this is via a hung parliament remains to be seen.
Finally, there are a new young generation of voters who are seething about immigrants taking many jobs in the UK. Labour always took it for granted at catching the young inner city voters as part of its core vote but not any more. Their stupid and irresponsible immigration policy is coming back to bite them hard.
Political parties always fail to recognise the natural passage of time and the fact that with this comes new voters who think in very different ways.
HailshamGull
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10:58pm Fri 23 Apr 10
sdthetruth wrote:This is one of the most uninformed posts I have read for a long time. There is NO WAY Nick Clegg and the Liberals can possibly swing this election. They would need at least 60% of the vote. Do you possibly also believe that the Lib-Dems have some sort of moral standards that place them above all the others. Local politics (where the Libs have done well over the years) has been full of stories of corrupt Lib-Dems as well as tories and socialists.
Baldseagull wrote:This is one of the most intelligent comments made so far in my opinion. That's right, a totally new generation of voters exist now. Gone are the Tory mass voters from the 1980's. Meanwhile the Labour vote is being crushed as we speak. It is now not an impossibility that Clegg could make it into No 10 in a hung parliament though perhaps not very likely. My money is still on Cameron, though whether this is via a hung parliament remains to be seen. Finally, there are a new young generation of voters who are seething about immigrants taking many jobs in the UK. Labour always took it for granted at catching the young inner city voters as part of its core vote but not any more. Their stupid and irresponsible immigration policy is coming back to bite them hard. Political parties always fail to recognise the natural passage of time and the fact that with this comes new voters who think in very different ways.HailshamGull wrote:No Lib/Lab this time, Lib/Con maybe and why not an outright Liberal government? Who thought Blair would manage such a huge swing from Tory to Labour in 97? There are a lot of first time voters with no respect for history or tactical voting, liberal victory is possible.Masterchav wrote: God help us if the greens or labour get in (despite Nyberg's best attempts to dominate the comments on this page, is he/she Nick Clegg? You'd have thought so by the comments). £50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months. You get what you vote for!!Totally and utterly agree. If anybody can remember the last Lib-Lab pact, it was a nightmare of in-fighting, economic ruin and weak government. Lasted about 18 months......
The only thing I am sick of is Idiots believing that the Lib Dems are some sort of 'cool' answer to all our problems.
TheInsider
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12:22am Sat 24 Apr 10
Then we hear the Lib dem policies, many people I know have been left deflated and disappointed.
I rekon people might just get into the booth and flip a few coins.
I am just trawling through the main candidates websites and seeing if they have bothered to do anything for their constituencies.
Nyberg
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10:12am Sat 24 Apr 10
HailshamGull wrote:I think you are missing his point. There are hundreds of thousands of new voters, young people, who have had enough of the status quo, and are no respecters of history or tradition.
sdthetruth wrote:This is one of the most uninformed posts I have read for a long time. There is NO WAY Nick Clegg and the Liberals can possibly swing this election. They would need at least 60% of the vote. Do you possibly also believe that the Lib-Dems have some sort of moral standards that place them above all the others. Local politics (where the Libs have done well over the years) has been full of stories of corrupt Lib-Dems as well as tories and socialists. The only thing I am sick of is Idiots believing that the Lib Dems are some sort of 'cool' answer to all our problems.Baldseagull wrote:This is one of the most intelligent comments made so far in my opinion. That's right, a totally new generation of voters exist now. Gone are the Tory mass voters from the 1980's. Meanwhile the Labour vote is being crushed as we speak. It is now not an impossibility that Clegg could make it into No 10 in a hung parliament though perhaps not very likely. My money is still on Cameron, though whether this is via a hung parliament remains to be seen. Finally, there are a new young generation of voters who are seething about immigrants taking many jobs in the UK. Labour always took it for granted at catching the young inner city voters as part of its core vote but not any more. Their stupid and irresponsible immigration policy is coming back to bite them hard. Political parties always fail to recognise the natural passage of time and the fact that with this comes new voters who think in very different ways.HailshamGull wrote:No Lib/Lab this time, Lib/Con maybe and why not an outright Liberal government? Who thought Blair would manage such a huge swing from Tory to Labour in 97? There are a lot of first time voters with no respect for history or tactical voting, liberal victory is possible.Masterchav wrote: God help us if the greens or labour get in (despite Nyberg's best attempts to dominate the comments on this page, is he/she Nick Clegg? You'd have thought so by the comments). £50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months. You get what you vote for!!Totally and utterly agree. If anybody can remember the last Lib-Lab pact, it was a nightmare of in-fighting, economic ruin and weak government. Lasted about 18 months......
Traditionally, they normally don't bother voting at all, but I think these 1st time voters, and those who normally don't bother voting, could cause an upset. Anecdotally, among the young people I talk to, I would say that they are 100% behind Nick Clegg.I know it's only a snapshot, but I'm just reporting what I hear.
The one thing I do agree with you is that because of our 1st past the post voting system, it's extremely unlikely that the Lib Dems could win outright.
I do think it's patronising of you to suggest that the only reason people are voting Lib Dem is because it's a 'cool answer to our problems'.
They might be planning to vote Lib Dem simply because they don't want Brown or Cameron, which is as valid a reason as any.
sdthetruth
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12:30pm Sat 24 Apr 10
HailshamGull wrote:Who said anything about a LibDem overall majority or them being the largest party in a hung parliament?
sdthetruth wrote:This is one of the most uninformed posts I have read for a long time. There is NO WAY Nick Clegg and the Liberals can possibly swing this election. They would need at least 60% of the vote. Do you possibly also believe that the Lib-Dems have some sort of moral standards that place them above all the others. Local politics (where the Libs have done well over the years) has been full of stories of corrupt Lib-Dems as well as tories and socialists.
Baldseagull wrote:This is one of the most intelligent comments made so far in my opinion. That's right, a totally new generation of voters exist now. Gone are the Tory mass voters from the 1980's. Meanwhile the Labour vote is being crushed as we speak. It is now not an impossibility that Clegg could make it into No 10 in a hung parliament though perhaps not very likely. My money is still on Cameron, though whether this is via a hung parliament remains to be seen. Finally, there are a new young generation of voters who are seething about immigrants taking many jobs in the UK. Labour always took it for granted at catching the young inner city voters as part of its core vote but not any more. Their stupid and irresponsible immigration policy is coming back to bite them hard. Political parties always fail to recognise the natural passage of time and the fact that with this comes new voters who think in very different ways.HailshamGull wrote:No Lib/Lab this time, Lib/Con maybe and why not an outright Liberal government? Who thought Blair would manage such a huge swing from Tory to Labour in 97? There are a lot of first time voters with no respect for history or tactical voting, liberal victory is possible.Masterchav wrote: God help us if the greens or labour get in (despite Nyberg's best attempts to dominate the comments on this page, is he/she Nick Clegg? You'd have thought so by the comments). £50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months. You get what you vote for!!Totally and utterly agree. If anybody can remember the last Lib-Lab pact, it was a nightmare of in-fighting, economic ruin and weak government. Lasted about 18 months......
The only thing I am sick of is Idiots believing that the Lib Dems are some sort of 'cool' answer to all our problems.
The LibDems could be on course for something like 90 to 100 seats at Westminster. If they were to form a pack with the Tories, who most likely will be the largest party, Clegg could be handed No 10 for major concessions. The Tories might use this as a cunning plan! After six months when Clegg takes the heat from the public, the Tories will call another election in the hope of getting an overall majority.
There are lots of possibilities and this is one of them.
sdthetruth
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12:31pm Sat 24 Apr 10
Nyberg wrote:Good point.
HailshamGull wrote:I think you are missing his point. There are hundreds of thousands of new voters, young people, who have had enough of the status quo, and are no respecters of history or tradition.
sdthetruth wrote:This is one of the most uninformed posts I have read for a long time. There is NO WAY Nick Clegg and the Liberals can possibly swing this election. They would need at least 60% of the vote. Do you possibly also believe that the Lib-Dems have some sort of moral standards that place them above all the others. Local politics (where the Libs have done well over the years) has been full of stories of corrupt Lib-Dems as well as tories and socialists. The only thing I am sick of is Idiots believing that the Lib Dems are some sort of 'cool' answer to all our problems.Baldseagull wrote:This is one of the most intelligent comments made so far in my opinion. That's right, a totally new generation of voters exist now. Gone are the Tory mass voters from the 1980's. Meanwhile the Labour vote is being crushed as we speak. It is now not an impossibility that Clegg could make it into No 10 in a hung parliament though perhaps not very likely. My money is still on Cameron, though whether this is via a hung parliament remains to be seen. Finally, there are a new young generation of voters who are seething about immigrants taking many jobs in the UK. Labour always took it for granted at catching the young inner city voters as part of its core vote but not any more. Their stupid and irresponsible immigration policy is coming back to bite them hard. Political parties always fail to recognise the natural passage of time and the fact that with this comes new voters who think in very different ways.HailshamGull wrote:No Lib/Lab this time, Lib/Con maybe and why not an outright Liberal government? Who thought Blair would manage such a huge swing from Tory to Labour in 97? There are a lot of first time voters with no respect for history or tactical voting, liberal victory is possible.Masterchav wrote: God help us if the greens or labour get in (despite Nyberg's best attempts to dominate the comments on this page, is he/she Nick Clegg? You'd have thought so by the comments). £50 says if there's a hung parliament there will be a) riots b) another recession c) a massive hike in interest rates d) a further housing crash e) another election within 18 months. You get what you vote for!!Totally and utterly agree. If anybody can remember the last Lib-Lab pact, it was a nightmare of in-fighting, economic ruin and weak government. Lasted about 18 months......
Traditionally, they normally don't bother voting at all, but I think these 1st time voters, and those who normally don't bother voting, could cause an upset. Anecdotally, among the young people I talk to, I would say that they are 100% behind Nick Clegg.I know it's only a snapshot, but I'm just reporting what I hear.
The one thing I do agree with you is that because of our 1st past the post voting system, it's extremely unlikely that the Lib Dems could win outright.
I do think it's patronising of you to suggest that the only reason people are voting Lib Dem is because it's a 'cool answer to our problems'.
They might be planning to vote Lib Dem simply because they don't want Brown or Cameron, which is as valid a reason as any.
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Jolly Rodger wrote:Please, anyone, before you consider voting Green, take a look at the real consequences of the Green Party's drugs policy:
What debate and why is there a choice of "I'm still intending on voting Green" ????????????
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