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4:57pm Tuesday 29th June 2010 in News
Scores of pro-homeopathy supporters demonstrated outside the Brighton Centre today ahead of doctors voting on whether homeopathic remedies should be banned on the NHS.
Medics at the British Medical Association (BMA) conference voted three to one in favour of banning NHS funding for homeopathic remedies and removing support for the UK's four homeopathic hospitals.
They said NHS doctors should not be trained in homeopathy and remedies should be taken off shelves "labelled medicines" and put on shelves "labelled placebos".
One doctor described homeopathy as "nonsense on stilts" while another said patients would be better off buying bottled water.
But some doctors said their patients seemed to benefit despite no clinical trial evidence that homeopathy worked.
Proposing the motion, Dr Mary McCarthy, a GP from Shropshire, said homeopathic doctors claimed it made people feel better.
"Lots of things make you feel better - a sunny day, the smell of the sea, a hug, retail therapy," she said.
"It can do harm by diverting patients from conventional medical treatments."
She said the issue was about NHS funding and promotion and would not prevent homeopaths from practising.
Dr Tom Dolphin, a member of the BMA's junior doctors committee, also backed the motion.
He said he had previously described homeopathy as witchcraft, but now wanted to apologise to witches for making that link.
"Homeopathy is not witchcraft, it is nonsense on stilts.
"It is pernicious nonsense that feeds into a rising wave of irrationality which threatens to overwhelm the hard-won gains of the Enlightenment and the scientific method.
"We risk, as a society, slipping back into a state of magical thinking when made-up science passes for rational discourse and wishing for something to be true passes for proof.
"Let's stop wasting scarce NHS money on something with plenty of evidence to show it does not work.
"Strike a blow for science and protect our patients from this insidious practice."
Dr John Garner, a GP from Edinburgh, spoke against the motion, saying it would prevent those patients who benefited from homeopathy from having access to their treatments.
"There's a big push that we practise evidence-based medicine, however, patients don't always have evidence-based symptomology."
He said he had seen patients with a range of complaints but investigations had found no cause.
"Some of these patients, for whatever reason, find benefit and relief in homeopathic treatments, because of a placebo effect or not."
Homeopathy, which is a 200-year-old system, has been funded on the NHS since its inception in 1948.
It differs from herbal medicine in that it relies on substances being diluted many times, something the committee said could not be scientifically proven to work.
In February, MPs said homeopathic remedies should no longer be funded on the NHS.
They said there was no evidence the drugs were any more effective than placebo - the same as taking a sugar or dummy pill and believing it works.
Furthermore, they said the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) should not allow homeopathic medicines to carry medical claims on their labels.
Just four MPs out of seven "active" members of the committee voted on the report, with former Labour MP Ian Stewart dissenting from its verdict.
He said the committee had refused to take into account that homeopathy worked for some people.
There are four homeopathic hospitals in the UK in London, Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow.
Estimates on how much the NHS spends on homeopathy vary, with the Society of Homeopaths putting the figure at £4 million a year including the cost of running hospitals.
One survey of more than 6,500 patients treated at Bristol Homeopathic Hospital found 70% reported improved health.
London-based GP Paddy Glackin spoke against the motion.
He said the BMA was in danger of "scientific fundamentalism" and GPs were guilty of prescribing "all sorts of things on a Friday afternoon to patients".
He added: "Just because we cannot show something works, doesn't mean it's not useful."
Today's vote means the wording of the motion now becomes BMA policy.
A statement from The Society of Homeopaths said: "There are approximately 600 doctors in the UK who use homeopathy, over 55,000 patients a year are seen through homeopathic hospitals, many with conditions not helped through other specialists in the NHS.
"The cost of homeopathy on the NHS is low - just 0.001% of the £11 billion drugs budget.
"Homeopathic appointment and hospital costs are approximately £4 million per annum, compared with the cost of anti-depressants alone, which was £291.5 million in 2007."
It said a study commissioned by the Prince of Wales - a known supporter of homeopathy - in 2005 found that when patients were treated with complementary and alternative medicines, there was a 30% drop in the number of GP appointments and 50% cost savings on prescriptions.
It said members of the Faculty of Homeopathy, who are also members of the BMA, had been refused permission to address the conference.
A spokesman for the Department of Health said: "The Department is considering issues to do with homeopathic remedies and hospitals as part of the Government's response to the Science and Technology Committee's report on homeopathy.
"The response will be issued soon."
Comments(29)
puddingandpi
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5:42pm Tue 29 Jun 10
sarah h
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6:34pm Tue 29 Jun 10
Mrs Reasonable
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6:34pm Tue 29 Jun 10
zeno
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6:37pm Tue 29 Jun 10
Angryoldman
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6:45pm Tue 29 Jun 10
The Brighton Bear
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7:00pm Tue 29 Jun 10
Mel Hove
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7:04pm Tue 29 Jun 10
Fight Back
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8:06pm Tue 29 Jun 10
RickH
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8:11pm Tue 29 Jun 10
Fight Back wrote:So homeopathy can cure a skin condition but have no scientific foundation for that 'fact' - like to expand a little on your claim?
NHS GPs will tell you there is no cure for a skin complaint known as Swimming Pool Disease. It's not painful but quite unsightly. Strangely homeopathic medicines can cure it. The NHS doctors just don't want to affect their payments from the drugs companies.
yorkie44
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8:26pm Tue 29 Jun 10
cheezburger
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8:35pm Tue 29 Jun 10
cheezburger
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8:37pm Tue 29 Jun 10
sarah h
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9:33pm Tue 29 Jun 10
RickH wrote:There is no scientific foundation for a lot of things that happen in life
Fight Back wrote: NHS GPs will tell you there is no cure for a skin complaint known as Swimming Pool Disease. It's not painful but quite unsightly. Strangely homeopathic medicines can cure it. The NHS doctors just don't want to affect their payments from the drugs companies.So homeopathy can cure a skin condition but have no scientific foundation for that 'fact' - like to expand a little on your claim?
RickH
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10:06pm Tue 29 Jun 10
sarah h wrote:A homeopathic supporter; as usual, light on facts, heavy on the rheotoric. And as for the research - been there, done it, read the journals. Its a sham to seel this product and the sooner its off the NHS the better - go peddle your snake oil for those without sufficent nouce to check the facts!
RickH wrote:There is no scientific foundation for a lot of things that happen in life There are many treatments that go wrong that do have a 'scientific foundation' Have a read of the BMJ statistics & educate yourself No need to fight back...just sit back The public are not stupid..and by the way I could expand on a lot of successful skin cases...human & animal and I'm not alone. Sorry about that! Do a bit of research and you'll find out..but thats what 'scientists' are supposed to do isn't it? There is a range of ability in the homeopathic world just as in orthodox medicine. It is important to check qualifications and trainingFight Back wrote: NHS GPs will tell you there is no cure for a skin complaint known as Swimming Pool Disease. It's not painful but quite unsightly. Strangely homeopathic medicines can cure it. The NHS doctors just don't want to affect their payments from the drugs companies.So homeopathy can cure a skin condition but have no scientific foundation for that 'fact' - like to expand a little on your claim?
Betty Blue
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10:46pm Tue 29 Jun 10
Peter the Great
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8:17am Wed 30 Jun 10
Nyberg
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8:31am Wed 30 Jun 10
cheezburger wrote:That made me laugh, cheezburger.
I would love to run a bar for a conference of homeopaths. Here is your vodka sir. Err excuse me this isn't vodka, it's just water. Yes sir, its homeopathic vodka, diluted you see. £5 please.
Angryoldman
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9:35am Wed 30 Jun 10
Baldseagull
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10:01am Wed 30 Jun 10
cheezburger wrote:I like this idea.
I would love to run a bar for a conference of homeopaths. Here is your vodka sir. Err excuse me this isn't vodka, it's just water. Yes sir, its homeopathic vodka, diluted you see. £5 please.
Baldseagull
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10:20am Wed 30 Jun 10
cheezburger wrote:Homeopathic treatments are not just heavily diluted though, this would suggest that there is some tiny amount of something that may do some good. No, more usually the treatment is effectively distilled water, only that the water originated in a plant of one kind or another.
I would love to run a bar for a conference of homeopaths. Here is your vodka sir. Err excuse me this isn't vodka, it's just water. Yes sir, its homeopathic vodka, diluted you see. £5 please.
ghonda
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11:50am Wed 30 Jun 10
Fight Back wrote:What payments do Doctors receive from drug companies?
NHS GPs will tell you there is no cure for a skin complaint known as Swimming Pool Disease. It's not painful but quite unsightly. Strangely homeopathic medicines can cure it.
The NHS doctors just don't want to affect their payments from the drugs companies.
Tony Davenport
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12:13pm Wed 30 Jun 10
Tony Davenport
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12:14pm Wed 30 Jun 10
cheezburger wrote:What's the dilution? 30C?! Blimey, you'll be legless after a few sips of that?
I would love to run a bar for a conference of homeopaths. Here is your vodka sir. Err excuse me this isn't vodka, it's just water. Yes sir, its homeopathic vodka, diluted you see. £5 please.
Tony Davenport
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12:21pm Wed 30 Jun 10
Granny
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2:31pm Wed 30 Jun 10
decideformyself
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Mungo P
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