Pride campsite taken over by travellers (From The Argus)

jay316 wrote:
another nail in Prides Coffin... Hope pride are going to pay for the cost of removal (if they can legally do in 7 days) of so-called travellers.. Brighton Council closed the official site, so they're to blame!

On_the_Level wrote:
A rare occasion when locals welcome travellers to the area (now where did I put that red carpet?)

Greyrun wrote:
Pro traveller groups constantly tell us what wonderful people they are,so sharing the site should not be a problem perhaps they would even offer to keep an eye on pride visitors tents and equipment while they frolic in town.

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

BlackRocker wrote:

On_the_Level wrote: A rare occasion when locals welcome travellers to the area (now where did I put that red carpet?)

I suppose it should come as no surprise that those taking the side of travellers turn out to be homophobes.

I hate pride and everything that comes with it but that doesn't make me a homophobe. I just fail to see how gays can't get on with their normal lives without having to show how proud they are of being gay. If you happen to be gay, what is there to be proud of? Nothing, you're just gay. I'm straight, but I'm not exactly proud of it, I just get on with being straight. I just find it funny how you can march on pride day because you're 'proud' to be gay and the rest of us are expected to like it or lump it but if you march on St Georges day, 'proud' to be english, you're instantly recognised as a Nazi. Liberalism and political correctness have ruined this once great country so as a free, independant thinking man, I'm going to excersise my right to freedom of speech and say how much I hate Pride and everything it stands for. Anything that halts its progress is welcome, even if it happens to be a bunch of pikeys.

TheInsider wrote:
The travellers have come for Pride. What's wrong with that. Aren't there gay travellers? There are gay footballers, rugby players, politicians, teachers etc The Camp Camp.

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

BlackRocker wrote:

On_the_Level wrote:
A rare occasion when locals welcome travellers to the area (now where did I put that red carpet?)

I suppose it should come as no surprise that those taking the side of travellers turn out to be homophobes.

I hate pride and everything that comes with it but that doesn't make me a homophobe. I just fail to see how gays can't get on with their normal lives without having to show how proud they are of being gay. If you happen to be gay, what is there to be proud of? Nothing, you're just gay. I'm straight, but I'm not exactly proud of it, I just get on with being straight. I just find it funny how you can march on pride day because you're 'proud' to be gay and the rest of us are expected to like it or lump it but if you march on St Georges day, 'proud' to be english, you're instantly recognised as a Nazi. Liberalism and political correctness have ruined this once great country so as a free, independant thinking man, I'm going to excersise my right to freedom of speech and say how much I hate Pride and everything it stands for. Anything that halts its progress is welcome, even if it happens to be a bunch of pikeys.

Spreadly wrote:
It's a choice of two bad smells as to who camps there, both groups have got burglary in common though!

RickH wrote:

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

BlackRocker wrote:

On_the_Level wrote: A rare occasion when locals welcome travellers to the area (now where did I put that red carpet?)

I suppose it should come as no surprise that those taking the side of travellers turn out to be homophobes.

I hate pride and everything that comes with it but that doesn't make me a homophobe. I just fail to see how gays can't get on with their normal lives without having to show how proud they are of being gay. If you happen to be gay, what is there to be proud of? Nothing, you're just gay. I'm straight, but I'm not exactly proud of it, I just get on with being straight. I just find it funny how you can march on pride day because you're 'proud' to be gay and the rest of us are expected to like it or lump it but if you march on St Georges day, 'proud' to be english, you're instantly recognised as a Nazi. Liberalism and political correctness have ruined this once great country so as a free, independant thinking man, I'm going to excersise my right to freedom of speech and say how much I hate Pride and everything it stands for. Anything that halts its progress is welcome, even if it happens to be a bunch of pikeys.

I'm sure, given your user name, you'll know about the theory of heteronormalisation and its impact on those who don't fit that paradigm and, thus, the need for Pride.

And you surely also know that the Right to Freedom of Speech (whether enshrined in the UN Charter or, more recently, an EU Charter) can be curtailed in certain circumstances, including hate speech.

But somehow, I doubt your nom de plume is really that accurate.

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

RickH wrote:

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

BlackRocker wrote:

On_the_Level wrote: A rare occasion when locals welcome travellers to the area (now where did I put that red carpet?)

I suppose it should come as no surprise that those taking the side of travellers turn out to be homophobes.

I hate pride and everything that comes with it but that doesn't make me a homophobe. I just fail to see how gays can't get on with their normal lives without having to show how proud they are of being gay. If you happen to be gay, what is there to be proud of? Nothing, you're just gay. I'm straight, but I'm not exactly proud of it, I just get on with being straight. I just find it funny how you can march on pride day because you're 'proud' to be gay and the rest of us are expected to like it or lump it but if you march on St Georges day, 'proud' to be english, you're instantly recognised as a Nazi. Liberalism and political correctness have ruined this once great country so as a free, independant thinking man, I'm going to excersise my right to freedom of speech and say how much I hate Pride and everything it stands for. Anything that halts its progress is welcome, even if it happens to be a bunch of pikeys.

I'm sure, given your user name, you'll know about the theory of heteronormalisation and its impact on those who don't fit that paradigm and, thus, the need for Pride.

And you surely also know that the Right to Freedom of Speech (whether enshrined in the UN Charter or, more recently, an EU Charter) can be curtailed in certain circumstances, including hate speech.

But somehow, I doubt your nom de plume is really that accurate.

If you had made that statement 20-30 years ago I'd be in total agreement with you. I feel however that as a society, and I'll only speak for Great Britain, that we have become more than accepting of homosexuality. 20 years ago gays had something to be proud of. They could come out and feel secure and accepted in a modern and changing society. Now however, Pride is just rubbing their way of life in our faces. We know they are gay, we accept it as normal and we couldn't care less, so why can't they just get on with their normal lives and stop shouting about their sexuality from the roof tops. If they want to be proud of something, do something worthy of pride insted of creating three days worth of carnage in Brighton. This is hardly 'hate' speech, it's just common sense.

Stripes wrote:
I'm sure everyone can play nicely together, I can't imagine that every inch of Waterhall will be filled with tents.

RickH wrote:
@ I knowmorethanUthink (and Keffy44H): and your very statement shows that you don't understand the concept of heteronormative processes. Or put more simpley, for 364 days of the year, I am exposed to cultural references (mass media, how society is run, how countries are governed etc) that result in those who are not heterosexual have their "noses rubbed into it" (to pinch Keffy;'s phrase) we are are not 'normal', that we are 'wrong', that we are 'other' - you try living like that and then state that there is no need for Pride.

And, yes, the UK is GENERALLY more accepting BUT only as a result of 20 years of hard campaigning and pushing for legisltation to give us those protection which are naturaly afforded to those who are not other without batting an eye-lid, to ensure visiblity, to ensure that all are treated fairly.

But people, yes even in the UK, are continually attacked, made targets at and even killed (see: http://www.pinknews.

co.uk/2010/07/30/fir

st-liverpool-pride-t

o-remember-murdered-

gay-teen-michael-cau

ser/ ) on the basis on their sexuality.

So looks like your 'common sense' appproach is actually not really working and why you and others perpetuate the 'myth' that the UK is really loving and accepting of all peoples (go look at some of the statements regarding travellers here if you need more evidence) there will continue to be the need for Prides (like it or not!)

RickH wrote:
@ I knowmorethanUthink (and Keffy44H): and your very statement shows that you don't understand the concept of heteronormative processes. Or put more simpley, for 364 days of the year, I am exposed to cultural references (mass media, how society is run, how countries are governed etc) that result in those who are not heterosexual have their "noses rubbed into it" (to pinch Keffy;'s phrase) we are are not 'normal', that we are 'wrong', that we are 'other' - you try living like that and then state that there is no need for Pride.

And, yes, the UK is GENERALLY more accepting BUT only as a result of 20 years of hard campaigning and pushing for legisltation to give us those protection which are naturaly afforded to those who are not other without batting an eye-lid, to ensure visiblity, to ensure that all are treated fairly.

But people, yes even in the UK, are continually attacked, made targets at and even killed (see: http://www.pinknews.

co.uk/2010/07/30/fir

st-liverpool-pride-t

o-remember-murdered-

gay-teen-michael-cau

ser/ ) on the basis on their sexuality.

So looks like your 'common sense' appproach is actually not really working and why you and others perpetuate the 'myth' that the UK is really loving and accepting of all peoples (go look at some of the statements regarding travellers here if you need more evidence) there will continue to be the need for Prides (like it or not!)

TheInsider wrote:
Labellling people and saying humans are different because of colour, sexuality and religion is exactly why groups hold such events and open their communities to the wider community. They are just people and we are all the same really. We might eat different stuff, pray differently etc, but we all have the same feelings inside about things.
A modern day example of removing labels to obtain peace and harmony can be seen in Northern Ireland where the peace process has spent huge amounts of money to stop 'label mindset' thinking which helped to create division and hatred.
A whole generation of children are being taught to see each other as people instead of Catholic/Protestant and therefore different from each other. This will go on forever and not stop because people are being rubbed up the wrong way. I am from a family from NI and this slow removal of labelling has made a massive impact. My brother has married a Catholic as has my cousin. This harmony makes a huge difference to everyone's lives.
I thought that the gay carnival was a party thrown by the gay community to welcome the whole town if they wanted to show they are just ordinaly folk who drink, love and party just like anyone else.
Many groups do this, the muslims have Melas, there is the Notting Hill carnival and the Chinese also throw New Year Celebrations open to the wider comminity.
Iknowmorethanyouthin

k, try to see people, not labels and walk in other people's shoes instead of being angry at a group which does not have to impact on you or your life.

Chip_cobb wrote:
Pride is outdated, end it now, being gay is now normal and accepted and there is no need to make an exhibition of your sexuality, old hat and boring.

TheInsider wrote:
People like me would sooner sell my mother
I am a left-wing, liberal.
Minority groups don't want people like me. People like me are fixated with other people's lives. I have unexplainable guilt.
People in the UK think the gays should stop campaigning because its rubbing people up the wrong way. People in the UK are turning against the gays.
You have not provided one single, independent survey or any evidence to back any of the claims you make about the public or me. It is all personal comment, belief and unsubstantiated claim.
Here is a useful fact for you. In the UK, it is prohibited by the PCC for the media to describe someone using a label of religion, sexuality, gender, race or colour unless it is relevant to a story.
This was to stop the media creating negative, stereotypes for groups because labels can communicate untrue messages and we all know which groups suffer when their 'labels' are used.

RickH wrote:
@ I knowmorethanUthink (and Keffy44H): and your very statement shows that you don't understand the concept of heteronormative processes. Or put more simpley, for 364 days of the year, I am exposed to cultural references (mass media, how society is run, how countries are governed etc) that result in those who are not heterosexual have their "noses rubbed into it" (to pinch Keffy;'s phrase) we are are not 'normal', that we are 'wrong', that we are 'other' - you try living like that and then state that there is no need for Pride.

And, yes, the UK is GENERALLY more accepting BUT only as a result of 20 years of hard campaigning and pushing for legisltation to give us those protection which are naturaly afforded to those who are not other without batting an eye-lid, to ensure visiblity, to ensure that all are treated fairly.

But people, yes even in the UK, are continually attacked, made targets at and even killed (see: http://www.pinknews.

co.uk/2010/07/30/fir

st-liverpool-pride-t

o-remember-murdered-

gay-teen-michael-cau

ser/ ) on the basis on their sexuality.

So looks like your 'common sense' appproach is actually not really working and why you and others perpetuate the 'myth' that the UK is really loving and accepting of all peoples (go look at some of the statements regarding travellers here if you need more evidence) there will continue to be the need for Prides (like it or not!)

still waiting wrote:
Irony, delicious irony

TheInsider wrote:
Burgess901, you use the phrase left-wing as a negative. Therefore, does that mean you are right-wing and that is a positive from your perspective?
What do right-wing people think about the disabled?
Pride is also a charity event which raises money for local groups. The bike raises money for a national charity so both raise additional money for causes.
As for Iknowmorethanuthink, what label do you have for yourself?
You also used left-wing as a negative, so you are right-wing?
Now if that is the case, that conjours up some interesting fast opinions about you.

lucas05 wrote:
People that think it is outdated please read my previous post. It might not be illegal anymore but that does not make being gay easy. Camp people may find it easy but they do not make up 100% of gays. I know many people like myself who have struggled. Pride may seem like people are having their nose rubbed in it, but it is really important to some people. It is quite a short festival given 10% of the nation are supposedly homosexual. I urge you to go and watch the parade and enjoy it rather than just watch the clean up.

mtmoocher wrote:

lucas05 wrote:
People that think it is outdated please read my previous post. It might not be illegal anymore but that does not make being gay easy. Camp people may find it easy but they do not make up 100% of gays. I know many people like myself who have struggled. Pride may seem like people are having their nose rubbed in it, but it is really important to some people. It is quite a short festival given 10% of the nation are supposedly homosexual. I urge you to go and watch the parade and enjoy it rather than just watch the clean up.

Dear Lucas
Pride used to be a celebration of being gay. Now it is an excuse for debauchery in the form of excessive drink, noise, foul language, lewd behaviour, drug-taking & other anti-social, indecnt behaviour. It is a major inconvenience for the town which affects many businesses & the transport system in a negative way. The most money is spent in bars, clubs, off-licences & specialist shops catering for fetishes. The cost of policing this is born by the Sussex tax-payer from a policing budget already under severe pressure - mainly down to mismanagement, I agree. The majority of Brighton & Hove residents I know, view it as an inconvenience & a great many of my gay friends would not be "seen dead" there as they regard it with the moral outrage of "the Pamplona bull run on their way to the cattle market!"
With regards to your own personal journey resulting in your coming out. Why are you comfortable at Pride & not secure in your high street? Have you really come out at all then? We all go through anxiety & angst throughout life so your own deliberations are no different to most peoples experiences.
Pride is as tacky as can be & it has no real place in its present incarnation, in Brighton society.
PS When is last years £20k loan from BHCC being paid back?

Security words "wife-rare".

TheInsider wrote:
Ah Iknowmorethanuthink. I suggested a label to you. I didn't give it to you as I don't believe in labels. However, I suggested one and you didn't like it and then suggested you were a bit of both and it was not that straight forward. This is my whole point. In addition to this, you have continually used labels as a weapon to bully me. It was not a discussion, labels were used to gain subnission from me. That is exactly why labelling people is dangerous and why laws are introduced to protect some groups from people who behave in this way. You called me a left-winger, liberal, mother seller etc, but you were using these labels as weapons. While they are silly names, some people use other labels to prevent people getting job opportunities, homes, promotion etc. It happens. Open your eyes. My father was a grammar school boy from a well off home in Northern Ireland. He served in the RAF and came to live in England. When he arrived he found notes on pub doors saying No Irish. He could not get lodgings because he was Irish. There were negative connotations purely on his place of birth. My father neither drinks, smokes or gambles. He is a kind, hard-working family man who is honest and generous. Other groups experience the same negative behaviour because of a label and 'fast opinions' and yes they have lost job opportunities, homes, promotions etc because of labels. You have used labels to berate and bully me, so just think how some more extreme poeple may use them.

TheInsider wrote:
Fortunately Iknowmorethanyouthin

k, young people are so much more open-minded, tolerant and have wider horizons than you.
They travel more, the internet and digital communications have given them access to many cultures, people and politics at a much younger age.
You sound like an older, outdated perhaps less travelled and less worl experienced person with very set views.
I work in a multi-national company with a diverse workforce and watching the younger people interact and work on projects is an incredible experience and is a place where you would not be able to sit.
From your comments, you would not be employed by the organisation as you are inflexible and just have an outdated mode of thinking which would hamper future development.
We are in a global world where people are people, labels and politics have little place in economic or personal success.
Some of your comments reminded me of my grandmother who lived in a small Welsh mining village and didn't see much of the world.
Go on, next time you go to Spain, treat yourself to some of the local cuisine.

TheInsider wrote:
Fortunately Iknowmorethanyouthin

k, young people are so much more open-minded, tolerant and have wider horizons than you.
They travel more, the internet and digital communications have given them access to many cultures, people and politics at a much younger age.
You sound like an older, outdated perhaps less travelled and less worl experienced person with very set views.
I work in a multi-national company with a diverse workforce and watching the younger people interact and work on projects is an incredible experience and is a place where you would not be able to sit.
From your comments, you would not be employed by the organisation as you are inflexible and just have an outdated mode of thinking which would hamper future development.
We are in a global world where people are people, labels and politics have little place in economic or personal success.
Some of your comments reminded me of my grandmother who lived in a small Welsh mining village and didn't see much of the world.
Go on, next time you go to Spain, treat yourself to some of the local cuisine.

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

TheInsider wrote: Fortunately Iknowmorethanyouthin k, young people are so much more open-minded, tolerant and have wider horizons than you. They travel more, the internet and digital communications have given them access to many cultures, people and politics at a much younger age. You sound like an older, outdated perhaps less travelled and less worl experienced person with very set views. I work in a multi-national company with a diverse workforce and watching the younger people interact and work on projects is an incredible experience and is a place where you would not be able to sit. From your comments, you would not be employed by the organisation as you are inflexible and just have an outdated mode of thinking which would hamper future development. We are in a global world where people are people, labels and politics have little place in economic or personal success. Some of your comments reminded me of my grandmother who lived in a small Welsh mining village and didn't see much of the world. Go on, next time you go to Spain, treat yourself to some of the local cuisine.

I'm sitting here laughing my head off at your wild and unfounded assumptions. I'm 24 years old, certainly not outdated, definitly more traveled than you and have probably more life experience at the age of 24 than most people at 50. I recently left the British Army. I've been to Iraq three times and Helmand, Afghanistan once. I've been shot at, blown up and I've killed many people. I was involved in the biggest tank battle since the Battle of the Bulge and I've watched little children eat their own excrement out of pure hunger. I've cruised the jungles of South America with the Hoifta, a small Amazonian tribe and I've not long ago spent two weeks in a small Kosovan village helping the locals build a communal water pipe. I've spent time in almost every European country, I've been to Russia and Australia, India and China. I've been skiing in Canada and climbing in Massachusetts. I've spent time in Alaska, Siberia, Norway and Iceland. My last visit to Spain was a lovelly two week holiday to an old Carthaginian town in the south called Cartagena. A very unique place which I specifically chose because I wanted to experience genuine Spanish culture and food. I loved every minute of it and do you know what, I even made an effort to go to Spanish lessons before I went to learn the language. I have had a fast, amazing and varied life. I have embraced and fallen in love with other cultures and I have seen how horrible life can become. This is why I would hate to live in a world where these differences were inexistant. The reason why I find you so idioticly funny is because the petty little problems that you have BIG issues with pale into insignificance compared with the grand scheme of things. I am able to laugh at you because you hate labels whereas I know for a fact how boring life would be without them. Anyway, back to the original point. If gays really have a problem being labelled, why is it that I have the choice of going out drinking to a 'Gay bar' or just 'a bar'. The first rule of integration is to do away with your own segragation.

TheInsider wrote:
Your background explains your bullying, aggressive, combative, insulting, controlling, labelling, behaviour to me and people who just want to express their freedom of choice and opinion.
Rules, regulations, orders, control and killing people as you proudly claim. That is your world.
You even threw insults about my mother at me, which if you learned to do that in the British Forces, is a sad indictment of the modern army and at a time when the young lads still serving need support. My father who was an officer in the RAF will be appalled.
I even said you were a bully who used insults as weapons and goodness, how close I got to your background.
You don't have a gun anymore, you don't have a uniform to hide behind and you cannot control people anymore.
Life is a journey not a battle and people are free to campaign and even ride bikes naked if it takes their fancy.

KeefyH44 wrote:

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

RickH wrote:

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

BlackRocker wrote:

On_the_Level wrote: A rare occasion when locals welcome travellers to the area (now where did I put that red carpet?)

I suppose it should come as no surprise that those taking the side of travellers turn out to be homophobes.

I hate pride and everything that comes with it but that doesn't make me a homophobe. I just fail to see how gays can't get on with their normal lives without having to show how proud they are of being gay. If you happen to be gay, what is there to be proud of? Nothing, you're just gay. I'm straight, but I'm not exactly proud of it, I just get on with being straight. I just find it funny how you can march on pride day because you're 'proud' to be gay and the rest of us are expected to like it or lump it but if you march on St Georges day, 'proud' to be english, you're instantly recognised as a Nazi. Liberalism and political correctness have ruined this once great country so as a free, independant thinking man, I'm going to excersise my right to freedom of speech and say how much I hate Pride and everything it stands for. Anything that halts its progress is welcome, even if it happens to be a bunch of pikeys.

I'm sure, given your user name, you'll know about the theory of heteronormalisation and its impact on those who don't fit that paradigm and, thus, the need for Pride.

And you surely also know that the Right to Freedom of Speech (whether enshrined in the UN Charter or, more recently, an EU Charter) can be curtailed in certain circumstances, including hate speech.

But somehow, I doubt your nom de plume is really that accurate.

If you had made that statement 20-30 years ago I'd be in total agreement with you. I feel however that as a society, and I'll only speak for Great Britain, that we have become more than accepting of homosexuality. 20 years ago gays had something to be proud of. They could come out and feel secure and accepted in a modern and changing society. Now however, Pride is just rubbing their way of life in our faces. We know they are gay, we accept it as normal and we couldn't care less, so why can't they just get on with their normal lives and stop shouting about their sexuality from the roof tops. If they want to be proud of something, do something worthy of pride insted of creating three days worth of carnage in Brighton. This is hardly 'hate' speech, it's just common sense.

HEAR HEAR! There is absolutely no need to "Rub our noses in it"! I'm as tolerant as the next person about anyone's sexuality. It's nobody's business but those concerned, and there's the point. What would the police or local authority do if a parade of female strippers cavorting near naked and making suggestive gestures, were to block off the centre of the city for the best part of a day? It's gross and totally unnecessary.

Iknowmorethanuthink wrote:

TheInsider wrote:
Fortunately Iknowmorethanyouthin


k, young people are so much more open-minded, tolerant and have wider horizons than you.
They travel more, the internet and digital communications have given them access to many cultures, people and politics at a much younger age.
You sound like an older, outdated perhaps less travelled and less worl experienced person with very set views.
I work in a multi-national company with a diverse workforce and watching the younger people interact and work on projects is an incredible experience and is a place where you would not be able to sit.
From your comments, you would not be employed by the organisation as you are inflexible and just have an outdated mode of thinking which would hamper future development.
We are in a global world where people are people, labels and politics have little place in economic or personal success.
Some of your comments reminded me of my grandmother who lived in a small Welsh mining village and didn't see much of the world.
Go on, next time you go to Spain, treat yourself to some of the local cuisine.

I'm sitting here laughing my head off at your wild and unfounded assumptions. I'm 24 years old, certainly not outdated, definitly more traveled than you and have probably more life experience at the age of 24 than most people at 50. I recently left the British Army. I've been to Iraq three times and Helmand, Afghanistan once. I've been shot at, blown up and I've killed many people. I was involved in the biggest tank battle since the Battle of the Bulge and I've watched little children eat their own excrement out of pure hunger. I've cruised the jungles of South America with the Hoifta, a small Amazonian tribe and I've not long ago spent two weeks in a small Kosovan village helping the locals build a communal water pipe. I've spent time in almost every European country, I've been to Russia and Australia, India and China. I've been skiing in Canada and climbing in Massachusetts. I've spent time in Alaska, Siberia, Norway and Iceland. My last visit to Spain was a lovelly two week holiday to an old Carthaginian town in the south called Cartagena. A very unique place which I specifically chose because I wanted to experience genuine Spanish culture and food. I loved every minute of it and do you know what, I even made an effort to go to Spanish lessons before I went to learn the language. I have had a fast, amazing and varied life. I have embraced and fallen in love with other cultures and I have seen how horrible life can become. This is why I would hate to live in a world where these differences were inexistant. The reason why I find you so idioticly funny is because the petty little problems that you have BIG issues with pale into insignificance compared with the grand scheme of things. I am able to laugh at you because you hate labels whereas I know for a fact how boring life would be without them. Anyway, back to the original point. If gays really have a problem being labelled, why is it that I have the choice of going out drinking to a 'Gay bar' or just 'a bar'. The first rule of integration is to do away with your own segragation.