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People use bins to reserve parking places

8:00pm Sunday 3rd October 2010 in News

For most, the rubbish only needs to be put out once a week.

But some residents have been using their bin every day just to reserve a parking place.

Reports of the desperate attempts have reached The Argus in the first week of an extended residents’ parking zone in the London Road area of Brighton.

Residents have said that since Brighton and Hove City Council added ten streets to the zone J scheme the area has become a “ghost town”.

But while hundreds of £108 permits for the new zone go unclaimed, neighbouring streets have seen dozens more drivers looking for a place to leave their car as they seek to avoid paying the annual fee.

One resident, who did not want to be named, said: “On my road, just minutes away from the zone, there are now no parking spaces and it is causing residents a real headache.

“It was bad enough before the zone was introduced.

“I am hearing stories of people with two cars who have justmoved them on to neighbouring roads to avoid buying permits.

“People are even using cones to try to reserve parking spaces.”

Another resident claimed bins were also used in a similar ploy.

Ward councillor Amy Kennedy said while it was not neighbourly she did not blame residents.

She added: “It was pretty clear weeks ago that this is what people would do.

“Unfortunately it looks like it will be years before there is another review of this area.”

Melanie Nowocin, of Ditchling Rise, Brighton, who lives inside the extended zone, said: “The streets inside the zone are like a ghost town.

“It’s pretty clear that most people are just chancing their arm and parking where it’s still free.”

A council spokeswoman said: “The council’s experience in introducing other residents’ parking schemes is that residents often only chose to buy a permit after the scheme has been introduced and they can see the benefit of being able to park close to their home.

“We would therefore expect the number of permits on issue in this zone to continue to rise over the next six months.”

Comments(50)

Hard times says...
8:11pm Sun 3 Oct 10

£££££££££

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Hove Actually says...
8:31pm Sun 3 Oct 10

Then they can role it out into the areas affected by overspill parking and can say it's what the locals want.

My question is, when they reach the outskirts will they come back to the central zone and start a premium parking scheme for double the rate?

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nikkinono says...
8:55pm Sun 3 Oct 10

It seems everywhere where the new parking schemes have been put in place are having the same problem. I live in Whitehawk and from Findon rd up is a nightmare for parked cars, Manor Hill is becoming a danger zone for drivers like myself who regularly have to drive up and down that road to take my children to school. Cars are parked on both sides of the road making passing impossible and when you think that buses run up and down there on a regular basis. The other day some idiot had parked their car oppisite one of the small traffic islands blocking one side of the road. Cars where swerving onto the other side of the road to get round and then the bus got stuck. One day theres going to be a major accident.

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J.J. McQuade says...
9:38pm Sun 3 Oct 10

If I want to park in a road and someone has put cones, bins, etc to try and reserve "their" space I will get out, move the obstruction and park there even if there is other spaces in the road that have not got this type of obstruction, people do not own the bit of road outside their house and have no right to illegally obstruct free passage on the queens highway, in other words people that do this are breaking the law!.

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Living in the real world. says...
9:47pm Sun 3 Oct 10

I have been doing this for a long time now. It's not fair that I can't park outside my own front door so I put a cone outside it.
Anyone who moves that cone will have me to answer to.

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J.J. McQuade says...
10:16pm Sun 3 Oct 10

Living in the real world. wrote:
I have been doing this for a long time now. It's not fair that I can't park outside my own front door so I put a cone outside it.
Anyone who moves that cone will have me to answer to.
I'd love to see you try mate, it ain't your road, maybe the police want to start fining people that do this as it is against the law, even more revenue for the government.......

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emma_o says...
10:19pm Sun 3 Oct 10

It's not surprising that people are reserving spaces outside their houses with bins/traffic cones etc: it's incredibly frustrating for anyone who pays to rent or buy a house with "on-street parking" to not be able to use it because people from other areas of town are parking on their road.
Similarly, if anyone lives in a free parking area where a parking permit scheme is introduced it's not fair to expect them all to cough up for something that was free when they moved into their property, and a lot of people probably just can't currently afford to do it. There needs to be much more communication and cooperation between the council and local residents with matters like this: I know with budget cuts Brighton & Hove CC are trying to make money wherever they can, but they shouldn't do it by taxing local residents through unfair schemes like this.

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wobblybike says...
10:48pm Sun 3 Oct 10

emma_o wrote:
It's not surprising that people are reserving spaces outside their houses with bins/traffic cones etc: it's incredibly frustrating for anyone who pays to rent or buy a house with "on-street parking" to not be able to use it because people from other areas of town are parking on their road.
Similarly, if anyone lives in a free parking area where a parking permit scheme is introduced it's not fair to expect them all to cough up for something that was free when they moved into their property, and a lot of people probably just can't currently afford to do it. There needs to be much more communication and cooperation between the council and local residents with matters like this: I know with budget cuts Brighton & Hove CC are trying to make money wherever they can, but they shouldn't do it by taxing local residents through unfair schemes like this.
You pay rent/mortgage to live in a house, you do not own the road. If you want to park your car near your house, then buy one with a garage or a drive.
I live in parking zone U.......used to be able to park right outside my house in Cuthbert Road, took exception to paying for the newly-introduced permits, and park 100 yards away outside the zone. You talk about communication between the council and local residents.....this happened recently in favour of the Hanover mob......thank the lord, 'cos I love parking round there when I can find a space.

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John Steed says...
12:08am Mon 4 Oct 10

it is illegal for anyone to place any item on the highway or footway unless they are a current holder of a street works qualification register card (operatives) and then they can only places cones signs etc subject to having proper authorisation/reason to do so and be holders of, or covered by a £10,000,000 public liability insurance policy.
road tax does not give anyone the right to own the road only use it, there is no legal grounds or rights to claim parking rights outside their own house. this includes parking across your own drop kerb entrance, £80 fixed penalty applies outside london for doing just that. parking is strictly on a first come first served basis, as to anyone finding cones,bins or any other obstruction in the highway pick it up and place it on the verge where it is not a danger. if it is obviously belonging to someone put in on their property. any persons causing such a nuisance can be reported to the highways dept east or west sussex.
simple answer where possible get the kerb dropped and a hard standing put in dropped kerbs cost around £1000 hardstandings vary according to area and construction.
I live on a mainroad with no parking at all and no parking during the day close to hand and got a blasted penalty only last friday for overstaying a two hour spot round by worthing station, so I sympathise with every one affected but the best action is to pester your councellor, the town hall and all the jobsworths who tell us what we want without having any reasonable idea of what is realy needed

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KeefyH44 says...
6:42am Mon 4 Oct 10

Has anyone never watched the programme "Bread"? This has been going on for YEARS! Apropos of absolutely nothing at all, why has the comments section got an american language spell checker?

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Dwayno says...
8:11am Mon 4 Oct 10

You can pay for the Permit's quarterly, whereby they are only £32 per quarter.
If you can afford to run a car then you must be able to afford £32 a quarter!??!! That's 35p a day to park. Great value if you ask me. The residents in the new zone need to stop being so tight and pay for a permit.

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salty_pete says...
8:30am Mon 4 Oct 10

It might be as well to remember where these parking charges originated from. The last Labour government increased the local government grant to their heartlands in the North and effectively decreased it in the South. The local councils were told to replace the difference with squeezing as much from their assets as possible. The major asset being the road system. The Labour government then changed the law to allow parking fees and fines to be retained by the councils. Unfortunately even with Eric Pickles taking an axe to unnecessary legislation I somehow think these charges are here to stay.

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Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...
8:31am Mon 4 Oct 10

It's typical of transport planning throughout the UK, not just in Brighton. Everything is one piecemeal; a bypass here, a widening there. Now in Brighton an aditional small area is made residents' parking with the result (predicted by everybody) that people are parking in the free areas.
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The council should have taken the bull by the horns and made the entire city residents' parking or pay 'n' display. And yes that means I'd be paying for a parking permit.
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I'm actually sick of both sides in this dispute. I'm sick of the people who think it's their God-given right to drive and park where they like (claiming that we already pay enough in motoring taxes) and I'm sick of the ignorant Greens who think that everybody behind the wheel of a car is 'lazy' and/or 'selfish' and that private cars have no place in Brighton.
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Brighton generally has the wrong attitude to traffic. The Greens think of it as a plague that needs eradicating, whereas actually it should be seen as a resource to be exploited.

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monkey-moo says...
8:50am Mon 4 Oct 10

J.J. McQuade....
Cant you see this idiot (Living in the real world) is just saying this to get a reaction. I would imagine he still lives with his mum, and is all mouth and no parking space!
I'm sure he will come back with some mundane comment about how he can "attempt" to cause physical damage to my property, but..."in the real world" he hasn't got a chance! By all means, send me you address. I'll park outside and we will see what happens.."in the real world".
code word: Brain-Dead

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Living in the real world. says...
9:32am Mon 4 Oct 10

monkey-moo wrote:
J.J. McQuade.... Cant you see this idiot (Living in the real world) is just saying this to get a reaction. I would imagine he still lives with his mum, and is all mouth and no parking space! I'm sure he will come back with some mundane comment about how he can "attempt" to cause physical damage to my property, but..."in the real world" he hasn't got a chance! By all means, send me you address. I'll park outside and we will see what happens.."in the real world". code word: Brain-Dead
I'm not saying this to get a reaction at all. Parking can be a nightmare where I live (Whitehawk Estate) so I believe it's only right that I park outside my own place.
You're free to pop over for tea anytime you like too!

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ghonda says...
9:58am Mon 4 Oct 10

In my opinion the coucil needs to take a fresh look at parking. It seems to me that they are suffering from "project creep". Enforce a parking zone in one area, resulting in the overflow of cars moving to a new area. This then results in a new enforced parking zone. This is just wrong. With a minimal amount of thought I could plan where the next "zone" will be (Lewes Road area). Is this actually addressing the parking problem or shifting it to another area? Come on, think about the issue.

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kraftwerker says...
10:07am Mon 4 Oct 10

Let's face it...we can't handle the massive amount of cars on the roads. The Council will not relent on some people having to pay for on-street parking in certain areas, and I genuinely feel that that is wrong. I'm lucky, as I rarely use the car, and where I live is not a problem (back of Surrenden). If I've offended or annoyed anyone with my comments on this, I'm sorry. It's just that I can't stand what the Councils are doing to us, just to drum up loads of Council revenue, and to use that money to make even more parking restrictions.

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Hove Actually says...
11:01am Mon 4 Oct 10

Has anyone else noted that "Living in the real world" is now "Living in the real world," That extra commer is another person so it may well be Bibble

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Brighton-Man says...
11:41am Mon 4 Oct 10

This is obviously is away of taxing people more for the use of roads by the anti motorists brighton council and drive the mororists out of town! What I want to know is what brighton coucil does with all this extra taxation on people of brighton??? higher wages for council leaders and thier staff?

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monkey-moo says...
12:01pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Living in the real world. wrote:
monkey-moo wrote: J.J. McQuade.... Cant you see this idiot (Living in the real world) is just saying this to get a reaction. I would imagine he still lives with his mum, and is all mouth and no parking space! I'm sure he will come back with some mundane comment about how he can "attempt" to cause physical damage to my property, but..."in the real world" he hasn't got a chance! By all means, send me you address. I'll park outside and we will see what happens.."in the real world". code word: Brain-Dead
I'm not saying this to get a reaction at all. Parking can be a nightmare where I live (Whitehawk Estate) so I believe it's only right that I park outside my own place. You're free to pop over for tea anytime you like too!
Thanks for the invite to tea. I accept. Just let me know where i can park my van...I'm thinking right outside your house, as the road doesn't belong to you!
As for parking being a nightmare where you live, maybe you need some sort of permit scheme for residents? It's what we used to have on Chalk Farm estate in London...worked a treat!

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ghonda says...
12:12pm Mon 4 Oct 10

One other thing I've remembered from my time living in the centre of town. I could not get a permit and had to join a waiting list. It would have taken 18 months for me to obtain my permit for one car. Fair enough, I moved to Preston Park. However, is this really fair? I think the whole process needs to be reviewed and planners need to start to earn their money. If transport was reliable and safe and value for money, then I'm sure more of us would use it. Unfortunately when it's not reliable, nor VFM then few of us will use it.

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anonymous coward says...
12:15pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Fixed that for you:

Money grubbing council scum said, "The council’s experience ... is that residents often only chose to buy a permit they can see the benefit of being able to park close to their home AGAIN."

I could park close to my home 9 times out of 10. Now, for the yearly fee of £108 I can park there all the time. Thanks council! Where does that £108 go? Straight into your pocket?

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Morpheus says...
12:19pm Mon 4 Oct 10

This is just another example of the council not listening to local residents. The council comment that people will see the benefit of being able to park near their home after the scheme has been introduced just beggars belief. Where do the council get their ideas?

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ghonda says...
12:26pm Mon 4 Oct 10

The council is quite clever about parking, they offer residents the option of having a parking zone. Most residents will naturally say NO (who wants to pay more money to do what they currently do?). However, look at the London road parking control, this has pushed the day parking to the other side of Ditchling Road (who had said NO). They are now considering bringing in controlled parking because of the problems they are now having...

The council just don't do a good job at briefing residents, leaving it to resident associations. Something not everyone can attend (ie single parents (ME), out of town workers etc).

This is why it needs to be reviewed. It won't be though.

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kraftwerker says...
12:52pm Mon 4 Oct 10

I see the bored teenager who monitors these comments is having his lunch and playing with the site, as the number of 'quotes' on this subject are being deleted. Tell you what...if you don't like them, don't add them in the first place. Better still, get a grown up to monitor it for you, then there's less chance of you going to bend without any supper tonight!!!

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kraftwerker says...
12:53pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Oh dear...meant 'bed', not 'bend'. That's me on a hiding to nothing then!!!

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Angryoldman says...
1:05pm Mon 4 Oct 10

kraftwerker wrote:
Oh dear...meant 'bed', not 'bend'. That's me on a hiding to nothing then!!!
Freudian slip or what!
LOL.

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TheInsider says...
1:25pm Mon 4 Oct 10

The Friday ad had a number of adverts for student lets last week for properties in the city. The ad stated: Plenty of free on-street parking.
The council has given permission for thousands of the city's homes to be turned into flats, bedsits, HMOs, and each time this happens, more vehicles arrive.
The family home next to me used to have a one-car family in it. It currently is occupied by four students with two cars, plus a moped.
No-one has the right to park, but this over-population is the council's doing who now penalise its own residents by charging them.
Why is there a charge? Why don't they just issue one permit per council tax fee and send the permit with the annual bill.
Any additional claims for a permit should then be paid for.

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Ballroom Blitz says...
1:28pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Living in the real world. wrote:
I have been doing this for a long time now. It's not fair that I can't park outside my own front door so I put a cone outside it. Anyone who moves that cone will have me to answer to.
Its perfectly fair that you can't park outside your house. You don't own the road.
I always move any cone, bin or any other obstacle that stops me from parking legally on the street. That is my legal right. Been doing that for 20 years or more.
If you are so bothered by not being able to park right outside your house then move to somewhere with your own off road parking.

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pekkers says...
1:34pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Below is the link to the councils parking figures, which although not the most exciting read, does detail the parking income as £15,815,263 (page 35). That'll be why its such a'popular' idea!
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http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/download
s/bhcc/parking/2008-
09_Parking_Annual_Re
port_PDF[2MB%7D.pdf

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HJarrs says...
2:15pm Mon 4 Oct 10

It would help if those who own more than one car or van were more responsible and got rid of a few of their surplus. The are two blokes, one at either end of the street who, at any one time, have 4 vehicles each. Some of these don't move for months, so can't be that important especially in an area where parking is tight. I have no doubt that they will tell me it is their "right" to deny others parking spaces.

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Gazza says...
2:21pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Just goes to prove it’s all about making money and not about congestion.
The Council don’t give a dam about what type a pressure this creates on the family environment all they can see is £108 per house hold £216 if they have 2 cars.

May I point out again the council are there to serve there employers who pay there wages not the other way round.

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ghonda says...
2:21pm Mon 4 Oct 10

I live in a block of flats, each flat has two bedrooms. It's reasonable that there would be two people living in each flat. In the flat next to me are two working adults, who have different jobs in different parts of Sussex. They need cars to get around, however, under the current scheme they would have difficulties parking on the road in which they live (please note I have not said outside their flat just on the road they live).

The insider raises a valid point. Why is there a charge at all? No value in any of this for Joe Public.

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oneflewoverthe says...
2:50pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Watch this space, the council will now extend the parking zone and simply claim it was at the request of the residence, holly cash cow.

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oneflewoverthe says...
2:53pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Living in the real world. wrote:
I have been doing this for a long time now. It's not fair that I can't park outside my own front door so I put a cone outside it. Anyone who moves that cone will have me to answer to.
ever heard of road tax and public high way, where do you live i need a parking space.

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curtis tappenden says...
3:14pm Mon 4 Oct 10

In response to recent correspondence to the Argus (3rd October, 2010), I feel that I need to readdress the negativity offered by some in their comments against the newly extended resident parking scheme area J, in the ten streets around London Road. Brighton. It has been suggested that the low uptake on permits has turned the community into a 'ghost town'. Hardly. For more than ten years, residents have campaigned to claim back their streets from untidy, dangerous and illegal parking, vehicles left for days on end by those from other areas of town who have either been forced out by displacing parking schemes, or who have made a choice to not pay for what has unfortunately become a luxury and a premium in our traffic-crowded city. Now residents can enjoy more light, space, safety and happiness as they no longer have to circle for hours fighting in a shark-like manner with other motorists for the evening's one and only parking space. This is how it seemed for so many frustrated homeowners, who now can't believe that 'Christmas' (for that was the only time of the year that they could actually park) has come to stay! It is bizarre but true to say that during these miserable years, dwellers had even become sensitive to the slightest click of a turning key in a car door or quiet murmur of a starting engine, for which they would 'scramble' in the hope of getting the space.
With forty percent of the traffic now moved on, those living in the area are sighing with huge relief that the mad games are finally over. It is hugely unfortunate that there is no solution to the displacement of the problem, save banning vehicles altogether, and that it should have to cost so much money for the privilege- it now having moved nearer to the Roundhill and Fiveways districts- but residents in the wider community did vote against the further extension as proposed by the City Council, and must now sadly bear the consequences. A quieter area, maybe; local children playing safely again in the streets, maybe; but a 'ghost town'? There is plenty of life here still and not just between the hours of 9am and 8pm, daily.

Area J resident.

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Uncle_Meat says...
7:44pm Mon 4 Oct 10

I wonder how many students voted against the Resident's Parking Scheme in Hanover (who invariably move on after about a year and hence don't have to suffer the consequences)?
Of the 20 or so households I know in my road only 1 voted against the scheme (maybe 2, he was a bit vague!).
Perhaps the council should only allow a vote to be given to people who pay council tax! ;-)

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Dr Faust says...
10:30pm Mon 4 Oct 10

Our area J resident says that people in Fiveways and Roundhill must bear the consequences of their decision not to want to pay for a permit - or for friends to come round for that matter. It is the consequence of the decision of those in area J that we are having to live with. They have chosen to dump their problems on our doorstep, and the greedy Council will happily let them. If we then decide to have a permit area of our own we will simply be dumping the problem on residents North of Stanford Avenue - and so it will go on, until we all have to pay. At that point the privilage they currently have will be lost, as there will be nowhere left to be displaced into.

The key problem is the council's complete inflexibility in relation to the type of zones they will allow - only wanting the approach that raises the most income, not which solves the problems.

I'm also concerned about the references to 'illegal' parking. If that were the case we have people to deal with it - and raise more money as a result. What residents really mean by 'illegal' is people we don't want parking near our houses - travellers, garages etc. But you don't own the road - a garage owner parking 10 cars because they don't have space is doing nothing illegal at all.

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curtis tappenden says...
11:04pm Mon 4 Oct 10

The residents of J did not as suggested 'dump' their problem. If the council were/are greedy, the residents did not make them so. They would rather not pay the £108 to park easily within their own community. They did not invent the scheme. They had a big problem which they requested be dealt with. They were aware of the nature of this problem and the many reasons why it was occurring, and after consultation were offered the council's solution. I agree that the council's solution is no real solution at all. We received a displacement problem from other areas and year-on-year it grew steadily worse, steadily more congested- all drivers are entitled to park where there are no restrictions, that in itself is no problem where there is plenty of parking space- but it turned out to be a burden and stress which lasted for a decade! Residents consistently petitioned the council during this time to do something to ease the massive growing problem. Under the current measures, less than perfect, the resident scheme is the only one which will rid your area of this and one which was rejected recently by the residents beyond J who were offered the extended boundaries of the scheme, but yes, displacement to another area is the unfortunate result. Illegal parking referred to in the letter has nothing to do with travellers or garages. It had to do with obstructive double parking, where vehicles were removed on occasion by the council and police, and numerous drivers who flouted the law by parking on double yellow lines. A strange interpretation indeed by the respondent! The law on the road is the law where restrictions apply for the safety and well-being of fellow road users. The residents beyond J must now decide whether it is fair to displace it yet further, or perhaps suggest that the council adopt another solution to eradicate the problem. Apart from a city-wide vehicle ban, I can think of no other robust and workable scheme. Ultimately we must all get rid of our cars.
Area J resident.

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dunderheads says...
12:37pm Tue 5 Oct 10

curtis tappenden wrote:
The residents of J did not as suggested 'dump' their problem. If the council were/are greedy, the residents did not make them so. They would rather not pay the £108 to park easily within their own community. They did not invent the scheme. They had a big problem which they requested be dealt with. They were aware of the nature of this problem and the many reasons why it was occurring, and after consultation were offered the council's solution. I agree that the council's solution is no real solution at all. We received a displacement problem from other areas and year-on-year it grew steadily worse, steadily more congested- all drivers are entitled to park where there are no restrictions, that in itself is no problem where there is plenty of parking space- but it turned out to be a burden and stress which lasted for a decade! Residents consistently petitioned the council during this time to do something to ease the massive growing problem. Under the current measures, less than perfect, the resident scheme is the only one which will rid your area of this and one which was rejected recently by the residents beyond J who were offered the extended boundaries of the scheme, but yes, displacement to another area is the unfortunate result. Illegal parking referred to in the letter has nothing to do with travellers or garages. It had to do with obstructive double parking, where vehicles were removed on occasion by the council and police, and numerous drivers who flouted the law by parking on double yellow lines. A strange interpretation indeed by the respondent! The law on the road is the law where restrictions apply for the safety and well-being of fellow road users. The residents beyond J must now decide whether it is fair to displace it yet further, or perhaps suggest that the council adopt another solution to eradicate the problem. Apart from a city-wide vehicle ban, I can think of no other robust and workable scheme. Ultimately we must all get rid of our cars.
Area J resident.
Yes, BUT If you tie your Horse up outside my house I will smite thee.

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landgirls53 says...
2:08pm Tue 5 Oct 10

re.area j.parking.im a resident of the new j.parking and im pleased as punch with it.having lived here for over 30years i have watched the parking get steadily worse.when i was working i left home at 6am and returned at 10am only to find i had to park in 2hr bays then rush round and move it regardless of what i was doing.we would have been happy to park near our street let alone outside the door.last year i got outside my house on christmas eve. the first time in 3months.also with family living out of town i frequently came back after babysitting late at night and find i had to park as far away as preston park and then walk back to my house in the dark.(ghost town)!i agree with my neighbour that there is more life in our streets now and no pollution which was another thing we had to tolerate.thank you councillors for out permits and long may they continue.

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s&k says...
7:10pm Tue 5 Oct 10

I voted for the scheme to be introduced in my area - beyond zone J - and was gutted when residents rejected it (how many of them who voted against it were students, 2 car owners, garages etc)? I knew what would happen with the displacement and lo and behold it has! I'm not bothered about parking outside my house - but my street would be nice. And I wouldn't dream of trying to reserve a space with bins etc.

The council needs to review the CPZ in those areas who voted against it and give them another say, they might think differently now! Or just acknowledge the problem and introduce permits anyway - at least then we're all on a level playing field. But of course it won't solve the bigger problem of too many cars...

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curtis tappenden says...
9:25pm Tue 5 Oct 10

s&k. You sound like you don't deserve what has happened, and clearly didn't want it to turn out in this way in your area outside of J. If it's anything like the consultations we had for so many years with the council, it will not be reviewed for a very long time! Our dealings with the council were long and protracted and required a final majority vote in favour from the residents before any plan was drawn up. They drew one up that included your roads but it was rejected by others in your area (!!!!). Not so good....

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landgirls53 says...
2:27pm Wed 6 Oct 10

i feel for the residents who are now having to put up with the displaced parking but we were not to blame.london road and western road are easily accessible by bus yet shoppers and workers in thiese areas didnt want to use this service or pay to use the car parks,preferring instead to drive round and round our area till they found somewhere to park free.my son is asthmatic and and rarely played outside when he was younger because the pollution made him ill.he now lives in burgess hill where his healh has improved due to cars havig to park in the car parks and not outside peoples houses.i dont think the council are greedy just responding to frustrated residents pleas.

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s&k says...
3:38pm Wed 6 Oct 10

I don't blame anyone in Zone J for what's happened - you guys only wanted what's best for your residents. And how much neater Ditchline Rise looks now!

But I would urge all residents in streets affected by Zone J to contact your ward Councillors and the Parking Dept of B&HCC and register your concerns, complaints, anger.

As far I'm concerned B&HCC need to review this scheme with a mind to extending the zone as we will become the next Ditchling Rise for parking problems.

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curtis tappenden says...
4:02pm Wed 6 Oct 10

Go for it s&k. Most importantly and before you even petition the council, you must try to get your fellow residents on your side, and see if they might not agree to what the majority (assume?) recently rejected when offered the extension by the council. Best of luck...

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strange fish says...
10:38am Sat 9 Oct 10

Parking in Hanover has got so much worst recently with students returning and more overspill from new zones.
A lot of people who voted against the new scheme are regreting it now!

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s&k says...
1:01pm Sat 9 Oct 10

Let's face it, ordinary Brighton residents in already cramped areas such as Roundhill, Hanover etc are getting a raw deal, especially from people who refuse to pay for permits and would vote against CPZs, e.g students, garages, traveller vans.

Let's have a comprehensive review of CPZ schemes by B&HCC for these areas with a view to introducing them per se - at least then all residents/road users in the designated areas have to pay for a permit (it's not ideal having to pay more but it seems to have worked in Zone J). Of course, if someone is determined not to pay for permits/parking it won't stop them but forcing them out of a designated area will inconvenience them.

Somebody start a Facebook campaign!

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curtis tappenden says...
1:20pm Sat 9 Oct 10

The new zone does seem to be displacing in a wider way. With CPZ schemes this is inevitable. There could be other workable incentives such as cheaper tariff parking for workers or out of hours parking in some multistorey carpaprks (eg London Road), or 'soft' parking schemes, as implemented in the Wish Road area of West Hove, where parking is kept to strict timings throughout the day and visitors and residents both benefit. Residents living near areas flagged up for future CPZ should think very carefully before rejecting schemes as the problem will inevitably land on their doorstep. This is now proven

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landgirls53 says...
11:07am Sun 10 Oct 10

i have always thought it a good idea for the council to compulsery purchase the derelict land opposite preston park and build a multi storey car park.this could then be offered at reduced rates to the workers of the surrounding areas instead of them parking in the surrounding streets which has caused the residents there to have permit parking.

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