Liveblog: Smash EDO protest hits Brighton (From The Argus)

anonymous coward wrote:
Shouldn't these children be back at school?

Lorem Ipsum wrote:
Fantastic to see some people yet again standing up for what they believe. Not everyone has turned into compliant morons glued to the x-factor just yet. Keep it up.

vulcan sc wrote:

Lorem Ipsum wrote:
Fantastic to see some people yet again standing up for what they believe. Not everyone has turned into compliant morons glued to the x-factor just yet. Keep it up.

grow up.

Lorem Ipsum wrote:
Fantastic to see some people yet again standing up for what they believe.

Not everyone has turned into compliant morons glued to the x-factor just yet.

Keep it up.

JHunty wrote:

Lorem Ipsum wrote:
Fantastic to see some people yet again standing up for what they believe.

Not everyone has turned into compliant morons glued to the x-factor just yet.

Keep it up.

Hi there Lorem, thank you very much. I have always stood up against injustice so I was delighted that my complaint against the judge in the recent trial was upheld. With the support of people like you I will continue to oppose the fundamentally anti democratic protests of people like the Smash Edo protestors.
We are a democracy governed by the rule of law. Under that law we all have rights which cannot be taken away from us by any individuals or groups of individuals who seek to impose their minority and extremist views on us.
With the support of people like you we will continue to oppose the Smash Edo protestors.
By the way what was Caroline lucas saying? Has she admitted that her claim to court about the decommissioners having "clearly exhausted all democratic avenues" was a logical impossibility as they were formed for and performed one act only, the smashing up of the factory, which in no way can be described as a democratic act.
Thanks again Lorem

JHunty wrote:
gary, Im on your side, Im just teasing Lorem, read my post again my dear ;-)

JHunty wrote:
gary, Im on your side, Im just teasing Lorem, read my post again my dear ;-)

RoddyG wrote:
If the Argus had any credibility left it would be insisting on a statement about todays disruption from Caroline Lucas. Does she support the thugs and law breakers of Smash EDO?

I saw a group of the protestors on Lewes Road all dressed in black and hiding their faces. Looked like a lot of para-militaries.

RoddyG wrote:
If the Argus had any credibility left it would be insisting on a statement about todays disruption from Caroline Lucas. Does she support the thugs and law breakers of Smash EDO? I saw a group of the protestors on Lewes Road all dressed in black and hiding their faces. Looked like a lot of para-militaries.

JHunty wrote:

Lorem Ipsum wrote: Fantastic to see some people yet again standing up for what they believe. Not everyone has turned into compliant morons glued to the x-factor just yet. Keep it up.

Hi there Lorem, thank you very much. I have always stood up against injustice so I was delighted that my complaint against the judge in the recent trial was upheld. With the support of people like you I will continue to oppose the fundamentally anti democratic protests of people like the Smash Edo protestors. We are a democracy governed by the rule of law. Under that law we all have rights which cannot be taken away from us by any individuals or groups of individuals who seek to impose their minority and extremist views on us. With the support of people like you we will continue to oppose the Smash Edo protestors. By the way what was Caroline lucas saying? Has she admitted that her claim to court about the decommissioners having "clearly exhausted all democratic avenues" was a logical impossibility as they were formed for and performed one act only, the smashing up of the factory, which in no way can be described as a democratic act. Thanks again Lorem

Tommo2 wrote:
150 protesters? Was that the total number of scrounges that bothered to get out of bed for a Smash EDO binge? I thought protesters were being bussed into Brighton from 8-cities. Something is seriously wrong with the dedication to their cause. Perhaps they are getting fed up with coming up against the nasty police, having their ID and details taken and placed on file forevermore. Try getting some credit now numb-skulls, you have no future.

iceman00 wrote:
I'll bet that not ONE of those protestors is on "benefits" you bunch of reactionary right wing idiots.

you people are the ones who sit around moaning about "benefit cheats" whilst failing to realise that you have never stood up for anything in your life.

good on these people for standing up for something. the rest of you...wait in worthing until the inevitable happens.

J_26 wrote:
"SMASH" EDO - Name says it all you bunch of stinky parasites - Get out of our city and go find a tree to hug.

iceman00, Brighton&Hove says...
6:05pm Wed 13 Oct 10

I'll bet that not ONE of those protestors is on "benefits" you bunch of reactionary right wing idiots.

you people are the ones who sit around moaning about "benefit cheats" whilst failing to realise that you have never stood up for anything in your life.

good on these people for standing up for something. the rest of you...wait in worthing until the inevitable happens.

iceman00 wrote:
I'll bet that not ONE of those protestors is on "benefits" you bunch of reactionary right wing idiots.

you people are the ones who sit around moaning about "benefit cheats" whilst failing to realise that you have never stood up for anything in your life.

good on these people for standing up for something. the rest of you...wait in worthing until the inevitable happens.

timetravel1980 wrote:
Hilarious that hippy woman on the BBC South News harping for her dog when arrested. Wrong time and place for Crufts lady!

particularalien! wrote:
Oh, by the way: Why don't we put the valuable skills of the workers at the EDO factory to good use for the production of socially useful products such as wind turbines or PV panels?

Mike B wrote:

particularalien! wrote:
Oh, by the way: Why don't we put the valuable skills of the workers at the EDO factory to good use for the production of socially useful products such as wind turbines or PV panels?

Who are 'we' to decide what work others should be put to?

Do we then get to decide what you do for a living?

virtuoso wrote:

RoddyG wrote:
If the Argus had any credibility left it would be insisting on a statement about todays disruption from Caroline Lucas. Does she support the thugs and law breakers of Smash EDO? I saw a group of the protestors on Lewes Road all dressed in black and hiding their faces. Looked like a lot of para-militaries.

But Caroline Lucas is already on the record, telling the lie that the Brighton ITT/EDO factory "makes bombs". She is also on the record supporting SmashEDO's attack on the factory. Finally, she is on the record as stating that she wants it closed, at least for all its current purposes (leaving it theoretically possible, I suppose, that it could re-open to manufacture some vaguely 'green approved' products - as if that were ever likely, under current ownership).

My security code is, unbelievably, "wash-rare".

stan bailey wrote:

virtuoso wrote:

RoddyG wrote:
If the Argus had any credibility left it would be insisting on a statement about todays disruption from Caroline Lucas. Does she support the thugs and law breakers of Smash EDO? I saw a group of the protestors on Lewes Road all dressed in black and hiding their faces. Looked like a lot of para-militaries.

But Caroline Lucas is already on the record, telling the lie that the Brighton ITT/EDO factory "makes bombs". She is also on the record supporting SmashEDO's attack on the factory. Finally, she is on the record as stating that she wants it closed, at least for all its current purposes (leaving it theoretically possible, I suppose, that it could re-open to manufacture some vaguely 'green approved' products - as if that were ever likely, under current ownership).

My security code is, unbelievably, "wash-rare".

Where is clueless, haven't seen her on the telly for a while now, half expected her to be hanging around in Chile, giving us her fresh original views on the miners

GlenPoole wrote:
If you want to know want to read about the underhand tactics employed by the police - and protestors - check out this blog http://tashwatch.wor dpress.com/category/ tash-mob-2/

another village idiot wrote:
I thought what smashEDO were doing was trying to stop manufacture of weapons that would kill people - at source. Seems all you people using words like vermin etc. to describe the protesters are getting a bit hot under the collar given they are standing up to the police and their might. How can you hate people trying to do what they are doing? Not very brave of you to sit at your computers slagging them off is it, get out and protest against them if you fell that strongly.

Mr_Tom wrote:
well Kids, I have to say that possibly a bit more information is needed here.. for the record I think that 'smash - edo' are a little band of hooligans doing absolutely no good at all.. the protests are badly directed and only seem to annoy the general lpublic rather than the factory itself.. and so are pointless in the extreme... you are not freedom fighter vigilantes.. you are ill informed reactionaries with a penchant for mindless acts of violence!
anyway.. here goes nothing.. EDO MBM are part of the Raytheon group and manufacture umbelical / harnesses for aircraft defence systems and other technical parts for military / security applications.. used worldwide.. so no bomb making here! if your going to protest why not go to the top of the tree and go to harlow and bother the big boys of Raytheon? I've a fair idea why.. because Essex police are less sympathetic.. and you'd get the s*it kicked out of you by the general public who are more interested in the jobs provided by these companies rather than what they actually do.. which if they weren't doing in Brighton, they'd be doing somewhere else... it's a billion dollar industry... more worrying is the lack of interest in Thales ( http://www.thalesgro

up.com/ ) who also have a base in Brighton.. bet you didn't know that! see... when you go to various shops in this big city (including infinity foods!) when you pay.. you use a card.. in a Thales card reader.... haaa ha ha.. you might as well go to EDO and post money through the door.. oh and how many of you drive? KHI and MHI are also involved in military technology (kawasaki and mitsubishi heavy industrial) as is a few companies I have worked for.. in fact most large electronics companies will have a military department! it's big money! so..... if you are going to protest.... and this is just my two cents.. go and do it outside the government buildings of the countries who use these products.. as that will actually do some good.. if they stop using weapons there will be no market, but as things stand you are just kicking the little guy at the bottom going to work to feed his family by doing a bit of wiring / assembly... which, in the grand scheme of things does no good at all..

another village idiot wrote:
I thought what smashEDO were doing was trying to stop manufacture of weapons that would kill people - at source. Seems all you people using words like vermin etc. to describe the protesters are getting a bit hot under the collar given they are standing up to the police and their might. How can you hate people trying to do what they are doing? Not very brave of you to sit at your computers slagging them off is it, get out and protest against them if you fell that strongly.

JHunty wrote:
Hey Greg Kaye, an investigation has allready been carried out into whether Edo supply Israel, it was carried out last year by the Information Commissioners Office after a Freedom of Information request by Ceri Gibbons, a Smash Edo protestor. The Information Commissioner found, after interviewing the relevant civil servants and looking at the relevant export licences that the claim that Edo export to Israel had no factual basis.
By the way was Ceri Gibbons chucked out of the smash edo group for showing them up as having lied about this as well?

sine-die wrote:
I’m a little confused here !!
Half of these postings appear to be complaining about SmashEDO going out of its way to make sure that none of its members were recognisable during yesterday’s protests whilst the other half seem to actually know every one of the protesters, so much so that they have intimate details about each one i.e. they are ‘unemployed’, ‘unwashed’, ‘criminals’, ‘morons’, and so the list goes on, and on, and on.

Now let me make one thing very clear and that is that I do not agree with SmashEDO or their tactics. EDO is a company that is operating within the law and is doing what a local company should do; provide local jobs for local people.

The point I am making however is that as soon as you start to introduce derogatory remarks into your counter-argument then you show an intellectual inability to understand the matrix that is used in healthy, everyday, debate and as a result your views end up on the ‘mental’ cutting-room floor. An example of this would be if I were to make the comment that “all postings should be tempered” however I know that making such a request is “akin to appealing to a higher stupidity in some cases” then I would have fallen into the same trap that I ask others to avoid.....so I won’t make any such remarks.

Betty Blue wrote:
Do any of these protesters work?

garyscott wrote:

Betty Blue wrote: Do any of these protesters work?

No

JHunty wrote:
Hey Greg Kaye, an investigation has allready been carried out into whether Edo supply Israel, it was carried out last year by the Information Commissioners Office after a Freedom of Information request by Ceri Gibbons, a Smash Edo protestor. The Information Commissioner found, after interviewing the relevant civil servants and looking at the relevant export licences that the claim that Edo export to Israel had no factual basis.
By the way was Ceri Gibbons chucked out of the smash edo group for showing them up as having lied about this as well?

cramp23 wrote:
Well suprise , suprise, all the protesters were not charged with any crime!! WHY??
because there was no crime-simply as that- now the police can pay out compensation for false arrest and good on them too.

garyscott wrote:

cramp23 wrote:
Well suprise , suprise, all the protesters were not charged with any crime!! WHY??
because there was no crime-simply as that- now the police can pay out compensation for false arrest and good on them too.

no such thing as false arrest yesterday - idiot.

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

cramp23 wrote:
Well suprise , suprise, all the protesters were not charged with any crime!! WHY??
because there was no crime-simply as that- now the police can pay out compensation for false arrest and good on them too.

no such thing as false arrest yesterday - idiot.

As we're all idiots can you kindly explain that statement please Gary.

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

cramp23 wrote:
Well suprise , suprise, all the protesters were not charged with any crime!! WHY??
because there was no crime-simply as that- now the police can pay out compensation for false arrest and good on them too.

no such thing as false arrest yesterday - idiot.

As we're all idiots can you kindly explain that statement please Gary.

you are the idiot bertie bigot.

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

cramp23 wrote:
Well suprise , suprise, all the protesters were not charged with any crime!! WHY??
because there was no crime-simply as that- now the police can pay out compensation for false arrest and good on them too.

no such thing as false arrest yesterday - idiot.

As we're all idiots can you kindly explain that statement please Gary.

you are the idiot bertie bigot.

Well done, I've just agreed we are so you are just repeating yourself.
But can you explain the statement "no such thing as false arrest yesterday..."

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

cramp23 wrote: Well suprise , suprise, all the protesters were not charged with any crime!! WHY?? because there was no crime-simply as that- now the police can pay out compensation for false arrest and good on them too.

no such thing as false arrest yesterday - idiot.

As we're all idiots can you kindly explain that statement please Gary.

you are the idiot bertie bigot.

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

cramp23 wrote:
Well suprise , suprise, all the protesters were not charged with any crime!! WHY??
because there was no crime-simply as that- now the police can pay out compensation for false arrest and good on them too.

no such thing as false arrest yesterday - idiot.

As we're all idiots can you kindly explain that statement please Gary.

you are the idiot bertie bigot.

Well done, I've just agreed we are so you are just repeating yourself.
But can you explain the statement "no such thing as false arrest yesterday..."

go try gaydar - i'm bored yawnnnn.......

Bert Fox wrote:
"Valdalism and assaulting Police officers is nothing to be proud of."

Neither is a statement like:
"Sad to see only 2 protesters injured in the clashes. After the amount they've cost us for the police operation it would only be fair if a few more got hurt." that you posted elsewhere.

JHunty wrote:
Ahh Bert Fox my fellow activist, power to the people (imagine me doing a clenched fist salute to the screen in solidarity with you.)
Your stubborn refusal to admit you were wrong the other day and your attempt to close a thread when you were losing the argument had a genuine child like quality to it, so I have to say well done for taking off your hoody and engaging with adult topics, the fact that you dont do your posts in txt spk is gr8!
I know that the Smash Edo mob are a bit defensive about their failed demo because they are embarassed at the low turn out. I hear the rank and file are very unhappy with the clique at the top who run the movement, poor turn out poor tactics.
As a fellow activist I thought Id offer a few tips
1) Stop lying, you badly need to establish some credibility so just stop lying about there being an arms factory in Brighton, stop lying about it exporting to Israel, stop lying about about the police, stop lying about engaging in peaceful protest.
2) Actually engage in peaceful protest, there is an inherent contradiction in peace protestors using violence harrasment and intimidation, more people are repelled by your violence than are attracted by it.
3) Get a sense of humour and an imagination your tired old Socialist Worker Party tactics, revolution not evolution, radicalising protestors through deliberately provoking conflict with the police simply dont work, try working with the police to get the sympathy of the public and arrange a demo with some humour to it that captures the publics imagination.
Im actually free at the moment so if the rank and file of the movement want to ovethrow the leader ship who have spent 6 years getting now where Id be happy to step in to the role for a while, just let me know.
X

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote: "Valdalism and assaulting Police officers is nothing to be proud of." Neither is a statement like: "Sad to see only 2 protesters injured in the clashes. After the amount they've cost us for the police operation it would only be fair if a few more got hurt." that you posted elsewhere.

The day when you learn to spell properly, is the day that you should be using a computer.

AmboGuy wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote: "Valdalism and assaulting Police officers is nothing to be proud of." Neither is a statement like: "Sad to see only 2 protesters injured in the clashes. After the amount they've cost us for the police operation it would only be fair if a few more got hurt." that you posted elsewhere.

The day when you learn to spell properly, is the day that you should be using a computer.

Having looked over a few of your posts I would say that the day you learn to stop making homophobic and racist remarks is the day that you should be let back onto a computer.
As a council employee do they know your views or should someone tell them?

garyscott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote: "Valdalism and assaulting Police officers is nothing to be proud of." Neither is a statement like: "Sad to see only 2 protesters injured in the clashes. After the amount they've cost us for the police operation it would only be fair if a few more got hurt." that you posted elsewhere.

The day when you learn to spell properly, is the day that you should be using a computer.

Having looked over a few of your posts I would say that the day you learn to stop making homophobic and racist remarks is the day that you should be let back onto a computer.
As a council employee do they know your views or should someone tell them?

My occupation has nothing to do with my views but why let the truth get in the way of a good story ?

garyscott wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Ahh Bert Fox my fellow activist, power to the people (imagine me doing a clenched fist salute to the screen in solidarity with you.)
Your stubborn refusal to admit you were wrong the other day and your attempt to close a thread when you were losing the argument had a genuine child like quality to it, so I have to say well done for taking off your hoody and engaging with adult topics, the fact that you dont do your posts in txt spk is gr8!
I know that the Smash Edo mob are a bit defensive about their failed demo because they are embarassed at the low turn out. I hear the rank and file are very unhappy with the clique at the top who run the movement, poor turn out poor tactics.
As a fellow activist I thought Id offer a few tips
1) Stop lying, you badly need to establish some credibility so just stop lying about there being an arms factory in Brighton, stop lying about it exporting to Israel, stop lying about about the police, stop lying about engaging in peaceful protest.
2) Actually engage in peaceful protest, there is an inherent contradiction in peace protestors using violence harrasment and intimidation, more people are repelled by your violence than are attracted by it.
3) Get a sense of humour and an imagination your tired old Socialist Worker Party tactics, revolution not evolution, radicalising protestors through deliberately provoking conflict with the police simply dont work, try working with the police to get the sympathy of the public and arrange a demo with some humour to it that captures the publics imagination.
Im actually free at the moment so if the rank and file of the movement want to ovethrow the leader ship who have spent 6 years getting now where Id be happy to step in to the role for a while, just let me know.
X

LOL - txt spk 4 benefit of Bertie the Bigot.

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote: "Valdalism and assaulting Police officers is nothing to be proud of." Neither is a statement like: "Sad to see only 2 protesters injured in the clashes. After the amount they've cost us for the police operation it would only be fair if a few more got hurt." that you posted elsewhere.

The day when you learn to spell properly, is the day that you should be using a computer.

Having looked over a few of your posts I would say that the day you learn to stop making homophobic and racist remarks is the day that you should be let back onto a computer.
As a council employee do they know your views or should someone tell them?

My occupation has nothing to do with my views but why let the truth get in the way of a good story ?

Gary Scott you really are amazing. I was quoting someone else's post. As I don't think that bad spelling is really the issue we are talking about I left in their typos or spelling mistakes. OK I could have put (sic) in but people like you probably wouldn't know what that means. Who doesn't know how to use a computer?

If you're a half decent person you'll acknowledge your mistake that the typos were AmboGuy's without just saying "you're bored".

As for whether your occupation is related to your views: you have posted that you work for B&H Housing so any racist or homophobic comments you make reflects on them. I'm sure they would't be terribly happy about that if they knew.

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote: "Valdalism and assaulting Police officers is nothing to be proud of." Neither is a statement like: "Sad to see only 2 protesters injured in the clashes. After the amount they've cost us for the police operation it would only be fair if a few more got hurt." that you posted elsewhere.

The day when you learn to spell properly, is the day that you should be using a computer.

Having looked over a few of your posts I would say that the day you learn to stop making homophobic and racist remarks is the day that you should be let back onto a computer.
As a council employee do they know your views or should someone tell them?

My occupation has nothing to do with my views but why let the truth get in the way of a good story ?

Gary Scott you really are amazing. I was quoting someone else's post. As I don't think that bad spelling is really the issue we are talking about I left in their typos or spelling mistakes. OK I could have put (sic) in but people like you probably wouldn't know what that means. Who doesn't know how to use a computer?

If you're a half decent person you'll acknowledge your mistake that the typos were AmboGuy's without just saying "you're bored".

As for whether your occupation is related to your views: you have posted that you work for B&H Housing so any racist or homophobic comments you make reflects on them. I'm sure they would't be terribly happy about that if they knew.

Typical answer - blame the Council for employing racist/homophobics. Live with it - I will be celebrating the festive season and many more to come while you and your ILK try to get me sacked. LOL.

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote: "Valdalism and assaulting Police officers is nothing to be proud of." Neither is a statement like: "Sad to see only 2 protesters injured in the clashes. After the amount they've cost us for the police operation it would only be fair if a few more got hurt." that you posted elsewhere.

The day when you learn to spell properly, is the day that you should be using a computer.

Having looked over a few of your posts I would say that the day you learn to stop making homophobic and racist remarks is the day that you should be let back onto a computer.
As a council employee do they know your views or should someone tell them?

My occupation has nothing to do with my views but why let the truth get in the way of a good story ?

Gary Scott you really are amazing. I was quoting someone else's post. As I don't think that bad spelling is really the issue we are talking about I left in their typos or spelling mistakes. OK I could have put (sic) in but people like you probably wouldn't know what that means. Who doesn't know how to use a computer?

If you're a half decent person you'll acknowledge your mistake that the typos were AmboGuy's without just saying "you're bored".

As for whether your occupation is related to your views: you have posted that you work for B&H Housing so any racist or homophobic comments you make reflects on them. I'm sure they would't be terribly happy about that if they knew.

Typical answer - blame the Council for employing racist/homophobics. Live with it - I will be celebrating the festive season and many more to come while you and your ILK try to get me sacked. LOL.

OK Gary you may or may not be safe in your job (if it is your job) but you're forgetting the first part of my post. So I'll post it again:

Gary Scott you really are amazing. I was quoting someone else's post. As I don't think that bad spelling is really the issue we are talking about I left in their typos or spelling mistakes. OK I could have put (sic) in but people like you probably wouldn't know what that means. Who doesn't know how to use a computer?

If you're a half decent person you'll acknowledge your mistake that the typos were AmboGuy's without just saying "you're bored".

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

JHunty wrote: Ahh Bert Fox my fellow activist, power to the people (imagine me doing a clenched fist salute to the screen in solidarity with you.) Your stubborn refusal to admit you were wrong the other day and your attempt to close a thread when you were losing the argument had a genuine child like quality to it, so I have to say well done for taking off your hoody and engaging with adult topics, the fact that you dont do your posts in txt spk is gr8! I know that the Smash Edo mob are a bit defensive about their failed demo because they are embarassed at the low turn out. I hear the rank and file are very unhappy with the clique at the top who run the movement, poor turn out poor tactics. As a fellow activist I thought Id offer a few tips 1) Stop lying, you badly need to establish some credibility so just stop lying about there being an arms factory in Brighton, stop lying about it exporting to Israel, stop lying about about the police, stop lying about engaging in peaceful protest. 2) Actually engage in peaceful protest, there is an inherent contradiction in peace protestors using violence harrasment and intimidation, more people are repelled by your violence than are attracted by it. 3) Get a sense of humour and an imagination your tired old Socialist Worker Party tactics, revolution not evolution, radicalising protestors through deliberately provoking conflict with the police simply dont work, try working with the police to get the sympathy of the public and arrange a demo with some humour to it that captures the publics imagination. Im actually free at the moment so if the rank and file of the movement want to ovethrow the leader ship who have spent 6 years getting now where Id be happy to step in to the role for a while, just let me know. X

LOL - txt spk 4 benefit of Bertie the Bigot.

JHunty why do you always wait until the end of a thread before you post? What am I not admitting being wrong about? You'll have to clarify that one - ideally not on a dying thread. But your tips. Are you really a "fellow activist"? The Conservative Party has activists so it's a pretty meaningless thing to say. Once again you are making unqualified statements as if they are true. 1) We are not lying about these things. As I've already said (in case you missed it) 12 jurors accepted that you are wrong here. 2) Being attacked by the police does not mean a protest is not peaceful in whatever country it happens to be in (again a point I've made elsewhere). 3) I have a good sense of humour thanks (what makes you think I haven't?) and I am absolutely not involved with the SWP. And the whole point which you may have missed is that there is no leadership in the EDO campaign. I think the campaign has done extremely well over the past 6 years. I have some of my own criticisms of the latest demos but SmashEDO as a campaign is one of the most effective in the country and has inspired other local groups around the UK.

cramp23 wrote:
Well done to everyone who went to the demo, good to see that Brighton has still got some balls :)

Number Six wrote:
I don't understand your logic. How do you equate trying (and failing) to close EDO for six long years with being effective?

If I had been trying to do something for six years with no discernable progress I wouldn't say that I had been effective

Bert Fox wrote:

Number Six wrote: I don't understand your logic. How do you equate trying (and failing) to close EDO for six long years with being effective? If I had been trying to do something for six years with no discernable progress I wouldn't say that I had been effective

Does that mean there is no point donating to or volunteering for Cancer Research because they have not cured cancer?

Number Six wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:

Number Six wrote: I don't understand your logic. How do you equate trying (and failing) to close EDO for six long years with being effective? If I had been trying to do something for six years with no discernable progress I wouldn't say that I had been effective

Does that mean there is no point donating to or volunteering for Cancer Research because they have not cured cancer?

That wasn't what I said though, now was it? If you fel the fight is worth pursuing then that's up to you and not my business (as long as it's done lawfully, obviously)) My point was questioning how you could claim that six years without influencing EDOs operations can be described as effective.

As for Cancer Research, new treatments are developing all the time. Maybe not as fast as we all would wish, but they make progress

DC007 wrote:
Sooner they shutdown this EDO useless warmongers tool maker, the better! Let the Zionists make their own murderous weapons and let them have the blood of the innocent people who kill everyday be on their own hands. We british people want nothing to do with the murderous zionists regime!

AmboGuy wrote:

DC007 wrote: Sooner they shutdown this EDO useless warmongers tool maker, the better! Let the Zionists make their own murderous weapons and let them have the blood of the innocent people who kill everyday be on their own hands. We british people want nothing to do with the murderous zionists regime!

Is this a wind up? He's starting to sound like some kind of radical preacher now! Seriously - someone give him a reality check (or get him sectioned) as he's starting to go 'over the edge' now! Bless - all that pent up rage. I can remember puberty too but don't worry it will pass!!!

Number Six wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

DC007 wrote: Sooner they shutdown this EDO useless warmongers tool maker, the better! Let the Zionists make their own murderous weapons and let them have the blood of the innocent people who kill everyday be on their own hands. We british people want nothing to do with the murderous zionists regime!

Is this a wind up? He's starting to sound like some kind of radical preacher now! Seriously - someone give him a reality check (or get him sectioned) as he's starting to go 'over the edge' now! Bless - all that pent up rage. I can remember puberty too but don't worry it will pass!!!

Doesn't he just. And it doesn't make sense. "Blood of the innocent people who kill every day"? Maybe he's typing one handed.

Anyway, anyone who thinks he's James Bond must have some issues

Bert Fox wrote:

Number Six wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

DC007 wrote: Sooner they shutdown this EDO useless warmongers tool maker, the better! Let the Zionists make their own murderous weapons and let them have the blood of the innocent people who kill everyday be on their own hands. We british people want nothing to do with the murderous zionists regime!

Is this a wind up? He's starting to sound like some kind of radical preacher now! Seriously - someone give him a reality check (or get him sectioned) as he's starting to go 'over the edge' now! Bless - all that pent up rage. I can remember puberty too but don't worry it will pass!!!

Doesn't he just. And it doesn't make sense. "Blood of the innocent people who kill every day"? Maybe he's typing one handed. Anyway, anyone who thinks he's James Bond must have some issues

It doesn't take much time or ability to work out that he/she left out "they". That is (in case you still haven't worked it out): Blood of the innocent people who THEY kill every day"? Have you never made a typo before? It's considered bad netiquette to criticise in this way and certainly doesn't win arguments.In fact the more you insult people the less it promotes your arguments. And I think, Number Six, that anyone who sees himself as a character from the sixties TV series might also have some issues.

squimmaa wrote:
I was going to attend this protest last week like I have done in previous years but I'm slightly losing faith, but that's only me. I don't agree with everyone covering their faces and aggro-ing the police and damaging random property during protests. It's supposed to be a peaceful protest, yes. At the same time, people are still there to make a point, and I'm sure some of them are on benefits and some aren't. Some may not even be there for the right reason which is another reason why I don't go to every demo. At least they're standing up for what they believe in - I understand EDO are assisting our own people but at the end of the day, this war waged upon gaza is madness and even if it is only trying to stop the production of the airplane hatches that release the bombs etc, at least it's something! It's making a point towards the bigger picture. My main point was going to be that I've read some interesting comments here... but don't you think it's a shame that the published articles generally always contain nothing about the CAUSE of the demo? This article says nothing about WHY the protesters are there. All it reads is that there was a demo, it was anti-EDO and that it disrupted local activity and the local police force. Surely there should be some more information published about why these people attend these demos and what they want to achieve, and why... without being biased. So maybe that's a little too hard for the argus to achieve... That would be nice though, then people will have a little more of their own opinions on the topic and may find out something they didn't know already, ya never know! :)

Bert Fox wrote:
The number of people at protests goes up and down. A low turn-out does not mean lack of support or the end of a campaign. We had over 2000 around a year ago we might have 4000 next time - who knows? When 2000 turned up people didn't say "well that's it let's close the factory down as there's a lot of support for this campaign". So numbers are irrelevant. Talking to people on the street this factory is as unpopular as ever whatever the tactics of protesters. You might think that by posting such remarks you put people off but it shows how little you understand about the motivation of the group. We have stood up to massive onslaughts from the police and the legal system. If you think that the campaign is floundering because of a lowish turn-out or that this means our support is diminishing then you are deluding yourself. Maybe there will be many more big demos, maybe there won't, I have no idea, but rest assured the campaign will continue until this factory is just a bad memory.

Bert Fox wrote:
Sorry but I can only say this so many times. Numbers will go up as well as down and have done regularly for the last six (now nearly seven) years. There are loads of reasons: how well the march was advertised, how it was advertised, where it starts, the day of the week, whether it's a working day, whether it's term-time, the weather. Many more reasons too. Simple. The 2000 turnout was a Bank Holiday Monday and started in Town on a lovely day. 150 was meeting at a small café in a field on a not great weather working Wednesday which wasn't that well advertised. So there's your reason - not excuses. You can believe what you like (and I'm sure you will) but I can only assure you (again) our campaign is by no means diminishing.

AmboGuy wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:
Sorry but I can only say this so many times. Numbers will go up as well as down and have done regularly for the last six (now nearly seven) years. There are loads of reasons: how well the march was advertised, how it was advertised, where it starts, the day of the week, whether it's a working day, whether it's term-time, the weather. Many more reasons too. Simple. The 2000 turnout was a Bank Holiday Monday and started in Town on a lovely day. 150 was meeting at a small café in a field on a not great weather working Wednesday which wasn't that well advertised. So there's your reason - not excuses. You can believe what you like (and I'm sure you will) but I can only assure you (again) our campaign is by no means diminishing.

Well like you say we'll have to agree to disagree. Not sure what it says when people don't want to turn up because it started in a field or because it was on a work day - 'work' day for the protesters oh the irony!
Quite frankly if 1850 less people turned up because it started in a cafe in a field on a Wednesday then that doesn't say too much for their commitment! Even the blog states that 40 of them were from a squat in town so that's only 110 who could be bothered to travel to get there. It was advertised with plenty of time so that's not really a factor is it? I knew well in advance it was happening and I don't want anything to do with it.
Oh and the weather was fine (look at the video footage!) - bit overcast but certainly not enough to put off a serious protester dedicated to their cause.

Bert Fox wrote:
As I've already said numbers have and will always go up and down. There are many factors at work so if you want to cling on to the idea that our popularity is waning then that's your lookout. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

When they shut down they may well move elsewhere hopefully they will encounter more protest. But, and I will be realistic here, it depends where they move.
However it will show others around the UK, as it did in Derry, what ordinary people with a conscience can do to remove people who make a profit from killing in their neighbourhood.

Now that's what I call real power!

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:
As I've already said numbers have and will always go up and down. There are many factors at work so if you want to cling on to the idea that our popularity is waning then that's your lookout. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

When they shut down they may well move elsewhere hopefully they will encounter more protest. But, and I will be realistic here, it depends where they move.
However it will show others around the UK, as it did in Derry, what ordinary people with a conscience can do to remove people who make a profit from killing in their neighbourhood.

Now that's what I call real power!

Derry ??? Where is that ? I have googled it but not found. Please elaborate.

DC007 wrote:
I am not surprised at all by the re-action on my commets! Any Anti Zionist comment is attacked viciously by the army of SAYANIM that spend all day monitoring the web for any blogs that is revealing the truth about the murderous zionists! I wonder why these people call themselves british, when their true allegiance is with the murderous zionist regime and not the Great Britian!

Bert Fox wrote:

garyscott wrote:

Bert Fox wrote:
As I've already said numbers have and will always go up and down. There are many factors at work so if you want to cling on to the idea that our popularity is waning then that's your lookout. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

When they shut down they may well move elsewhere hopefully they will encounter more protest. But, and I will be realistic here, it depends where they move.
However it will show others around the UK, as it did in Derry, what ordinary people with a conscience can do to remove people who make a profit from killing in their neighbourhood.

Now that's what I call real power!

Derry ??? Where is that ? I have googled it but not found. Please elaborate.

There's a lot of stuff on the web but one article is : http://www.belfastte

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daveinprague wrote:
Gary wants you to say Londonderry, even though, virtually everybody on the planet calls it Derry. Hes a tit. Be patient with him.

garyscott wrote:

daveinprague wrote: Gary wants you to say Londonderry, even though, virtually everybody on the planet calls it Derry. Hes a tit. Be patient with him.

And who the **** asked you for your opinion ?

daveinprague wrote:
Either way, youre a halfwitted, xenophobic nerd. All your previous posts clearly show that.

daveinprague wrote:
In 1613, the city was granted a Royal Charter by King James I and the "London" prefix was added, changing the name of the city to Londonderry. While the city is more usually known as Derry, Londonderry is also used and remains the legal name.
The name "Derry" is preferred by nationalists and it is broadly used throughout Northern Ireland's Catholic community, as well as that of the Republic of Ireland, whereas many unionists prefer "Londonderry"; however in everyday conversation Derry is used by most Protestant residents of the city.

Your argument is almost as ridiculous as yourself.


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daveinprague wrote:
aw diddums...would have thought you were used to looking a prat on these pages.

daveinprague wrote:
Scrounging layabout? Working as a telecoms contractor in Europe, I probably pay more tax than you gross my little xenophobic nerd. Your desperate posts seem to support the notion that your life is empty and boring. You attract sympathy. Not anger. Shouldnt you be making tea for the rest of the office round about now?

DC007 wrote:
Ignorance is bliss for some! For others google SAYANIM and find out what it is all about and how they false feed you information!

AmboGuy wrote:

DC007 wrote: Ignorance is bliss for some! For others google SAYANIM and find out what it is all about and how they false feed you information!

Thank you Mr Hamza. Anyone intersted in receiving further information on Zionism, Sayanim, Mossad and Anti-Semitism can write to Mr A Hamza, Secure Unit, C/O Belmarsh Prison, London.

daveinprague wrote:
Interesting thought process there. Somebody objects to actions taken by a state, that is on a par with state terrorism, and that has ignored a host of UN resolutions and some nitwits in Brighton brand you an Islamic terrorist sympathiser? No wonder the worlds fecked. Its full of stupid people.

daveinprague wrote:
What anti semetic remarks? Let me get this straight, you are saying that anti zionism is the same as anti semetism? Really? Like I said. The worlds fecked.