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    JHunty wrote:
    Hey Greg Kaye, an investigation has allready been carried out into whether Edo supply Israel, it was carried out last year by the Information Commissioners Office after a Freedom of Information request by Ceri Gibbons, a Smash Edo protestor. The Information Commissioner found, after interviewing the relevant civil servants and looking at the relevant export licences that the claim that Edo export to Israel had no factual basis.
    By the way was Ceri Gibbons chucked out of the smash edo group for showing them up as having lied about this as well?
    Thanks for this J. really interesting. For those that are interested the Argus report is at http://www.theargus.
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    The whole thing is worth a read and yet I was still a bit troubled though by the bit that read: The tribunal concluded: “There was no dispute that the ERU151 and the ZRFAU are components which can be incorporated into VER-2 bomb racks for use with F-16 combat aircraft, that those aircraft are used by the Israeli air force, and that from 1998 EDO owned the right to manufacture the ERU151 and the ZRFAU.”

    EDO owned the right - OK but I see the point that there may still be responsibility here. Israel are reportedly the second biggest consumer of F16s after the States. The States have joined Britain in operations in Iraq that, due to various bodges, can at the least be regarded to have been criminally negligent. Israel as been involved in operations that have been more overtly criminal.

    I have no doubt that EDO have been working within the law. I sometimes wonder if the politicians who make the laws do the same thing.

    Then we get to the question of Israel. Many people, myself included, feel strongly about this Wales sized country. Curiously this small yet greatly divided country has good cordial relationships with nearby Jordan and Egypt and, if i remember right, had a grandmother from either the occuppied territory of Gaza or the west bank who was prepared to blow herself up in a suicide bombing.
    This blog has mentioned derrivations of the word democracy many times but has made little mention of progressively squeezed occupation. A lot has been said about the upkeep of law but little has been said of a land where different sections of population are afforded greatly differing standards of rights.
    An issue related to Israel's occupied territories raises strong feelings amongst those who have learned of the injustices there.
    But are EDO implicated?
    Do they produce a product that can be used to do harm and which may be used to inforce discrimination?
    If so what are the arguments that these products should be banned?
    By analogy we can note that this country domestically has many harmful or less than healthy products have been banned for a wide variety of reasons. It seems that we cant produce various solvents and the like for domestic consumption and yet we can produce ERU151s and ZRFAUs. As devil's advocate it may be argued that it doesn't matter that we do this simply because any people that may suffer from certain uses of these devices would be at the very least a bombs drop away.
    Other analogies may point to Britain's has double standards. We restrict the availabilty of guns and knives on OUR streets and yet, despite the potential actions of various governments or of their individual members of military personel, we allow the feed of military equipment into overseas operations.

    Admittedly bombs have their uses. I guess questions may be asked at which point you stop the weapons getting into the wrong hands and who has the wrong hands. Smash EDO have their view of what should be done in regard to one potential provider and yet I'm sure that the palistinians and similar peoples would be open to other solutions."
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Liveblog: Smash EDO protest hits Brighton

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UPDATE, 5.30pm: More than 20 Smash EDO protesters have been arrested today after up to 150 took to the streets to demonstrate.

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The protest against the manufacture of bomb release mechanisms at the EDO/ITT factory in Moulsecoomb kicked off at about 10am in Wild Park.

Sussex Police set up a designated protest area by the A27, but very few of the protesters used this.

Instead, they made their own way through Wild Park, along Lewes Road and London Road and into the city centre, clashing occasionally with police.

Brighton and Hove Divisional Commander, Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett, says: "Officers have made significant arrests this afternoon in order to prevent a further breach of the peace.

"Despite designating a highly visible site for protestors on the main road to the factory, many of them have not used it.

"Our aim today was to facilitate peaceful protest, instead many have caused disruption by failing to comply with police directions, running away through fields and woodland and being a nuisance to local people by blocking main roads in the city.

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"Their disorderly behaviour has put pressure on police resources as we have needed to contain them to curb further disruption as they have blocked roads and headed towards other targets in the city.

"Injuries have been caused by protestors running around. Police medics were quickly on hand to treat one woman who ran into railings and injured her knee before an ambulance arrived."

On several occasions, officers kettled, or contained, the demonstrators. The first kettle took place at Ivy House in Wild Park early in the morning, where about 40 protesters were ordered to remove their masks before being allowed out.

Officers said they asked people to remove the masks if it was believed they were being used to conceal protesters’ identities.

More kettles took place in Wild Park at about 11am, while more protesters ran into the Moulsecoomb Estate.

Early reports the factory had closed for the day proved unfounded. However, Lewes Road, Bear Road and London Road were closed at times throughout the day, with activists at one point taking barriers from nearby roadworks to obstruct Lewes Road.

The English Nationalist Alliance also came into the city centre, where leader Bill Baker said they would be drinking and taking pictures. No trouble has been reported in relation to this presence.

By 1pm, four arrests had been made, two for suspected theft after vehicle was stopped, one for having a bladed article and one for breach of peace.

Another arrest was made shortly afterwards in relation to a dispute between protesters and residents, and there were also reports of protesters fighting amongst themselves in London Road.

Shortly before 2pm, the bulk of the protest was kettled on the Lewes Road, and police then arrested those inside one by one, all for allegedly breaching the peace if they refused to give their identity.

According to independent legal advisors, about 35 people, including on of the advisors, were arrested. However, Sussex Police said the total arrests was nearer 20. All those arrested were still being held at 5pm and police said they would be released when the risk of further breach has diminished.

At 3pm, there was a small protest outside Barclays Bank in North Street, but by 4pm, despite a small presence near the factory, the protest had largely petered out.

Officers from neighbouring forces, who are the most expensive for Sussex Police to use, had already been stood down, and the force was looking to stand down more to reduce the cost of the policing operation.

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