Anti-fur protesters target Brighton store (From The Argus)

Well done to SAFA, and boo to Beyond Retro for trying to play the 'charity' card. They sell for profit.

cheezburger wrote:
Well done to SAFA, and boo to Beyond Retro for trying to play the 'charity' card. They sell for profit.

Get real you lunatic.

So what if they are selling used furs, big deal.

Typical bully boy tactics by people with nothing better to do with their sad little lives.

chipmunk77 wrote:

cheezburger wrote:
Well done to SAFA, and boo to Beyond Retro for trying to play the 'charity' card. They sell for profit.

Get real you lunatic.

So what if they are selling used furs, big deal.

Typical bully boy tactics by people with nothing better to do with their sad little lives.

Im sorry you feel intimidated by me.

cheezburger wrote:

chipmunk77 wrote:

cheezburger wrote: Well done to SAFA, and boo to Beyond Retro for trying to play the 'charity' card. They sell for profit.

Get real you lunatic. So what if they are selling used furs, big deal. Typical bully boy tactics by people with nothing better to do with their sad little lives.

Im sorry you feel intimidated by me.

Try to read my reply properly...

I am talking about the people from SAFA, and no, I'm not intimidated by you in the slightest mate.

The items of fur that beyond retro sell are decades old. To suggest that these are just binned would lead to more people buying 'new' fur and subsequently more animals would be killed for the demand. SAFA should really front up there 'evidence' with regards to new fur being sold as old, or are they like the EDO mob who have no evidence but because they think it's happening it must be?

I didn't know that shopkeepers needed SAFA's approval for what they sell. Perhaps SAFA might like to produce evidence about importing fur from China

cheezburger wrote:
Well done to SAFA, and boo to Beyond Retro for trying to play the 'charity' card. They sell for profit.

I don't know which is the stupidest (and I use this next word kindly) thought here. First: charity shops, like BHF and Oxfam, ALL sell for profit, which is then donated to--wait for it--charity. That's why they're called charity shops. ANY shop which does not sell for profit at all soon finds itself shuttered and its employees out on the street, which helps no one, least of all you. Second, making a profit, for charity or not, is not yet a crime. It's business profits, redistributed through the tax system and handed out by Government, which enable people like you to sit at home and whinge about how evil money is.

Thirdly, even if you are against the sale of any new fur--which I am--opposing the sale of vintage fur makes no sense. I suppose next, SAFA will come out against the sale of fossil ivory as it encourages the killing of woolly mammoths. And fourthly, cheezburger, if you are really against the killing of animals, you had better change your name to something more principled, like 'tofuburger.'

I wonder how many people care about fur when they are tucking into their steaks.

The only fur coat I've ever worn was made from a black bear I shot myself in the Steppes in the winter of 1941. Warmest coat I ever had.

The wife wanted a fur coat for christmas - so i bought her a Donkey jacket!!

I read this somewhere ages ago, and it makes a good point:

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather; because it's easier to harass rich ladies than motorcycle gangs"

chipmunk u pathetic little man, jog on.(chipmunk name suggests u are a small man with a small brain)
with your idealogy, who cares if someone hits your mum, dad or gran (doubt u are married), no big deal.

ya wine me up - u have no idea about this subject judging by your comment.
eating meat killed humanely is a totally different subject to protesting abut the horrific way in which animals are killed for their fur. please stay quiet.

Sussevingian wrote:

cheezburger wrote:
Well done to SAFA, and boo to Beyond Retro for trying to play the 'charity' card. They sell for profit.

I don't know which is the stupidest (and I use this next word kindly) thought here. First: charity shops, like BHF and Oxfam, ALL sell for profit, which is then donated to--wait for it--charity. That's why they're called charity shops. ANY shop which does not sell for profit at all soon finds itself shuttered and its employees out on the street, which helps no one, least of all you. Second, making a profit, for charity or not, is not yet a crime. It's business profits, redistributed through the tax system and handed out by Government, which enable people like you to sit at home and whinge about how evil money is.

Thirdly, even if you are against the sale of any new fur--which I am--opposing the sale of vintage fur makes no sense. I suppose next, SAFA will come out against the sale of fossil ivory as it encourages the killing of woolly mammoths. And fourthly, cheezburger, if you are really against the killing of animals, you had better change your name to something more principled, like 'tofuburger.'

too long, didn't read.

dcsussex wrote:
chipmunk u pathetic little man, jog on.(chipmunk name suggests u are a small man with a small brain)
with your idealogy, who cares if someone hits your mum, dad or gran (doubt u are married), no big deal.

ya wine me up - u have no idea about this subject judging by your comment.
eating meat killed humanely is a totally different subject to protesting abut the horrific way in which animals are killed for their fur. please stay quiet.

cant wait to join PETA
PEOPLE
EATING
TASTY
ANIMALS
Yummmmm..minkburger anyone?

also, I like your idea how being shot in the head is 'humane'

I had a rabbit fur hat made for me a few years ago in the style of a Russian ushanka. And the rabbits that the fur came from I shot and ate myself. Can anyone explain what the issue is here with fur? The way I see it, the fur would have gone in the bin anyway but I decided to do something interesting with it instead.

Most people would assume 'vintage' to mean something pre 1980's at the very least. I have photographed 4 or 5 identical 'new' fur coats being sold alongside each other in Beyond Retro. They had labels in them saying "made in China" They may be second hand, but they are not vintage!

I see Beyond Retro have changed their previous stance of 'not supporting the modern fur Industry' to 'have never and will never buy or sell brand new fur'. Clearly this new policy is in response to having been found out buying and selling fur produced in China!

China has NO animal welfare standards at all and skinned animals are still alive for up to 10 minutes after having their skins ripped off their backs!

The other point that struck me about Beyond Retro's response was their admission that they were selling furs (and possibly other valuable garments) that had been donated to CHARITY. Strange that they should end up being sold to create a profit for a private commercial organisation.

When we leaflet outside BR, many people are shocked that they are selling fur and some refuse to even go into the shop.

Our leaflets also educate the public as to the cruelty involved in the fur production industry. Wearing modern is totally unacceptable, but even vintage fur will have involved tremendous cruelty. Why would anyone want to be associated with that?

There is no excuse for selling/wearing fur.Whether it's 'vintage' or new it should all be banned.

Jonny Knows wrote:
There is no excuse for selling/wearing fur.Whether it's 'vintage' or new it should all be banned.

Why? If you're going to eat an animal, why not make use of its skin? Although I totally understand why it's wrong to kill an animal ONLY for its skin.

Another Explanation wrote:

Jonny Knows wrote:
There is no excuse for selling/wearing fur.Whether it's 'vintage' or new it should all be banned.

Why? If you're going to eat an animal, why not make use of its skin? Although I totally understand why it's wrong to kill an animal ONLY for its skin.

You don't have to eat animals. Don't support violence and cruelty - Go Vegan!

den friend wrote:

Another Explanation wrote:

Jonny Knows wrote:
There is no excuse for selling/wearing fur.Whether it's 'vintage' or new it should all be banned.

Why? If you're going to eat an animal, why not make use of its skin? Although I totally understand why it's wrong to kill an animal ONLY for its skin.

You don't have to eat animals. Don't support violence and cruelty - Go Vegan!

Are you serious!?!?! That's ridiculous! We need to eat meat to sustain a healthy diet. We can't after billions of years of evolution just step out of the food chain. Eating animals isn't cruel, it's just life.

den friend wrote:

Another Explanation wrote:

Jonny Knows wrote: There is no excuse for selling/wearing fur.Whether it's 'vintage' or new it should all be banned.

Why? If you're going to eat an animal, why not make use of its skin? Although I totally understand why it's wrong to kill an animal ONLY for its skin.

You don't have to eat animals. Don't support violence and cruelty - Go Vegan!

Alas I can't go veggie since I lack the gene that makes me want to tell other people what they are, or are not, allowed to eat. Anyway, I personally find veggie food so dull and uninteresting that I probably would give up eating. And please don't tell me it's because I haven't tried it properly. I lived with a veggie for over a year.

Anyone ever seen a veggie lion or tiger?

Maybe a vegan cat?

Any idea what we'd put in our fields if there was no money for farmers in producing happy and healthy sheep/cows etc? Being from a farming background - you don't work 365 days a year morning until night just because they look pretty in a field.

I am against skining live animals and also killing just for fur but i really don't see the point in wasting the skin/fur of an animal that had died naturally or been used for food. As someone said before it is better than just throwing it in the bin.

Tribes all over the world to this day make sure they use as much of an animal as they can to minimise waste.

Pugsley101 wrote:
Anyone ever seen a veggie lion or tiger?

Maybe a vegan cat?

Any idea what we'd put in our fields if there was no money for farmers in producing happy and healthy sheep/cows etc? Being from a farming background - you don't work 365 days a year morning until night just because they look pretty in a field.

I am against skining live animals and also killing just for fur but i really don't see the point in wasting the skin/fur of an animal that had died naturally or been used for food. As someone said before it is better than just throwing it in the bin.

Tribes all over the world to this day make sure they use as much of an animal as they can to minimise waste.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

den friend wrote:
Most people would assume 'vintage' to mean something pre 1980's at the very least. I have photographed 4 or 5 identical 'new' fur coats being sold alongside each other in Beyond Retro. They had labels in them saying "made in China" They may be second hand, but they are not vintage! I see Beyond Retro have changed their previous stance of 'not supporting the modern fur Industry' to 'have never and will never buy or sell brand new fur'. Clearly this new policy is in response to having been found out buying and selling fur produced in China! China has NO animal welfare standards at all and skinned animals are still alive for up to 10 minutes after having their skins ripped off their backs! The other point that struck me about Beyond Retro's response was their admission that they were selling furs (and possibly other valuable garments) that had been donated to CHARITY. Strange that they should end up being sold to create a profit for a private commercial organisation. When we leaflet outside BR, many people are shocked that they are selling fur and some refuse to even go into the shop. Our leaflets also educate the public as to the cruelty involved in the fur production industry. Wearing modern is totally unacceptable, but even vintage fur will have involved tremendous cruelty. Why would anyone want to be associated with that?

Beyond Retro quite clearly state that they purchase all of the used clothing 'from charities directly, or indirectly through recycling companies.' They are therefore directly and indirectly funding charities through the sale of second hand clothing - no crime in that. Having said that, if they are daft enough to try and sell new fur products in Brighton (where i'm sure there's always someone angry enough and with enough time on their hands to protest against anything and everything!), then they're obviously quite stupid. Maybe, however, we should be thinking about and protesting at China's appalling history of human rights abuse before we vent our anger about their struggle to implement an animal rights act (which, incidentally, still hasn't been passed because 'apparently' so many citizens do not understand the need for it). When people are living hand to mouth in poverty stricken areas they will do anything to make money, and if that involves trading in legal or illegal animal products, or destroying their environment to keep themselves alive then there will always be those willing to do so. Instigating a better way of life, and freedom of choice for the people of China will ensure a step towards better conditions for their animals.

I quite fancy a fur coat... but I dont buy second hand (from another person....obviously the animal can have it first).
Can someone tell me where I can buy a brand new fur coat, I dont care if the animal was eaten or if it comes from china, I just want it to look pretty. Also when buying the coat if I could have the creatures head too... preferably mounted on a trophy board so it looks like I hunted it... will look lovely in the study.

ta.

I know there is a fox or two up near Horsham that wont need its fur anymore - call the horsham hunt. PS There are a few in my garden you can have - but they are still running around - so you may need the hunt to help. Toodle Pip

Forgive me, but just what is the EDL doing pardaing outside shops anyway - screaming and foaming at the mouth at anyone who doesn't share their single-issue fixation? There's no call for fascist methods in this openminded town of ours.

What - that wasn't the EDL? Anti-fur, you say? Anti-jumble-sale-fur
? Sorry. I've gone and forgotten my glasses again!

Must dash - I'm off to scream at an old lady who's selling an Edwardian mahogany desk next door.

Stop the Hardwood Rape! Murder! She's got sap on her hands! Murder!

Come on, Yummy Steak! The poor dear's no different to every other far right bigot - if you don't agree with them, they'll scream in your face, call you a murderer and dehumanise you until you do. Democratic process, petitions, civillised argument be damned. If you disagree with them, you're evil and in the hold of some sort of dark power. Thus it was in 1938 ('Kauf Nicht Bei Vintage?'), so it is today with the EDL and so it is too with ALF-inflected bruisers like SAFA (or whatever they're called this week).