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'Occupy Brighton' protesters camp out in landmark gardens

The Argus: Protesters in Victoria Gardens Protesters in Victoria Gardens

Protesters in tents have taken over a city centre landmark “indefinitely”.

Occupy Brighton members have set up tents in Victoria Gardens.

Yesterday evening (October 30) there were around 30 people, but more were due to join throughout the night.

This is despite Brighton and Hove City Council’s warning that eviction proceedings will be started this week.

A spokesman for the group, who gave his name as Ben, said: “We are here indefinitely. We are going to occupy this site until we find solutions to the challenges we all face.

“This is a drink and drugs-free site and we are cleaning up after our-selves. We are not here to cause any trouble.”

He said “tranquillity teams” would be keeping guard at the camp at all times after threats from right-wing counter-protesters.

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11:27am Mon 31 Oct 11

kingruss says...

Great choice of location (YAWN), hope they don't get too much abuse from people leaving the King and Queen...
Great choice of location (YAWN), hope they don't get too much abuse from people leaving the King and Queen... kingruss
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11:35am Mon 31 Oct 11

mark by the sea says...

whats there beef? other than not working? time the country stopped social after 12 months claiming.. and then get them clearing cemetries and the beaches. i hope it rains for next ten days and we have minus 5 this weekend.
whats there beef? other than not working? time the country stopped social after 12 months claiming.. and then get them clearing cemetries and the beaches. i hope it rains for next ten days and we have minus 5 this weekend. mark by the sea
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11:40am Mon 31 Oct 11

superlative says...

It would have been useful if the spokesman for the group or the Argus had mentioned what their aims were. Otherwise this is just a story about some people camping.
It would have been useful if the spokesman for the group or the Argus had mentioned what their aims were. Otherwise this is just a story about some people camping. superlative
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11:55am Mon 31 Oct 11

rolivan says...

Seems like they have given travellers with caravans the right to park there too, get them moved out get workers with chainsaws and anything that makes enough noise the grass needs watering badly lots of hoses.
Seems like they have given travellers with caravans the right to park there too, get them moved out get workers with chainsaws and anything that makes enough noise the grass needs watering badly lots of hoses. rolivan
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11:56am Mon 31 Oct 11

eadie123 says...

What do this council expect???
They have allowed protesters in the past to camp near the war memorial.
well i never voted for them!!!!!
by the way is this a green ward?
What do this council expect??? They have allowed protesters in the past to camp near the war memorial. well i never voted for them!!!!! by the way is this a green ward? eadie123
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12:18pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Servalan says...

What are they protesting about? Is it a clever parody of travellers illegally camping?
What are they protesting about? Is it a clever parody of travellers illegally camping? Servalan
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12:23pm Mon 31 Oct 11

NickBrt says...

Drug-free YEAH!!! Still, soon Dr Lucas will be dropping by to check their rights are all in place. Provided she can get a gas-guzzling flight over from Brussels (ALLEGEDLY).
Drug-free YEAH!!! Still, soon Dr Lucas will be dropping by to check their rights are all in place. Provided she can get a gas-guzzling flight over from Brussels (ALLEGEDLY). NickBrt
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12:31pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Valerie Paynter says...

I was so saddened to see tents on the damaged bowling green lawn within Queens Park on Sunday. Benches sat forlornly around its perimeter like ghosts from another era.

First it was selfish barbecue's wrecking the bowling lawns and pushing the elderly out and now, it has been dug up in one place and clearly is no longer used for lawn bowls: just an abandoned space within Queen's Park.. where people feel free to pitch a tent or two or three and have a party.

It looked nearly as bad as all the algae on the pond (both there and at St. Ann's Well Gardens too).
I was so saddened to see tents on the damaged bowling green lawn within Queens Park on Sunday. Benches sat forlornly around its perimeter like ghosts from another era. First it was selfish barbecue's wrecking the bowling lawns and pushing the elderly out and now, it has been dug up in one place and clearly is no longer used for lawn bowls: just an abandoned space within Queen's Park.. where people feel free to pitch a tent or two or three and have a party. It looked nearly as bad as all the algae on the pond (both there and at St. Ann's Well Gardens too). Valerie Paynter
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12:43pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Indigatio says...

Presumably the procedure to evict these people is the same as to evict 'travellers'. If so it will be interesing to compare how quickly the eviction is carried out
Presumably the procedure to evict these people is the same as to evict 'travellers'. If so it will be interesing to compare how quickly the eviction is carried out Indigatio
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12:49pm Mon 31 Oct 11

auser says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
I was so saddened to see tents on the damaged bowling green lawn within Queens Park on Sunday. Benches sat forlornly around its perimeter like ghosts from another era. First it was selfish barbecue's wrecking the bowling lawns and pushing the elderly out and now, it has been dug up in one place and clearly is no longer used for lawn bowls: just an abandoned space within Queen's Park.. where people feel free to pitch a tent or two or three and have a party. It looked nearly as bad as all the algae on the pond (both there and at St. Ann's Well Gardens too).
Wait... what...?
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: I was so saddened to see tents on the damaged bowling green lawn within Queens Park on Sunday. Benches sat forlornly around its perimeter like ghosts from another era. First it was selfish barbecue's wrecking the bowling lawns and pushing the elderly out and now, it has been dug up in one place and clearly is no longer used for lawn bowls: just an abandoned space within Queen's Park.. where people feel free to pitch a tent or two or three and have a party. It looked nearly as bad as all the algae on the pond (both there and at St. Ann's Well Gardens too).[/p][/quote]Wait... what...? auser
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1:08pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Number Six says...

How is sitting in gardens in Brighton going to do anything? Apart from the townsfolk of Brighton who is going to notice, or care?
How is sitting in gardens in Brighton going to do anything? Apart from the townsfolk of Brighton who is going to notice, or care? Number Six
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1:18pm Mon 31 Oct 11

whereisthe...? says...

Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...)


Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change!
Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change! whereisthe...?
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1:21pm Mon 31 Oct 11

jimbobmaginty says...

whereisthe...? wrote:
Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change!
I’ve got a job!!!
One of my issues is scumbags like this sitting in a park in tents rather than getting a job!! We (the workers) have to pay for policing and councils to sort this out when really it should be made illegal!
[quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change![/p][/quote]I’ve got a job!!! One of my issues is scumbags like this sitting in a park in tents rather than getting a job!! We (the workers) have to pay for policing and councils to sort this out when really it should be made illegal! jimbobmaginty
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1:24pm Mon 31 Oct 11

mark by the sea says...

whereisthe...? wrote:
Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change!
why dont we have jobs? some people work evenings.. or weekends.. or simply are self employed.. I would love to know how many are working.. the change is coming.. all with cross party agreement.. no more freeby lifestyle for the great unwashed.. either take a job or work for your benefit..
so can you explain what they are actually trying to achieve? or what they are trying to do?
[quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change![/p][/quote]why dont we have jobs? some people work evenings.. or weekends.. or simply are self employed.. I would love to know how many are working.. the change is coming.. all with cross party agreement.. no more freeby lifestyle for the great unwashed.. either take a job or work for your benefit.. so can you explain what they are actually trying to achieve? or what they are trying to do? mark by the sea
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1:33pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Indigatio says...

whereisthe...? wrote:
Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...)


Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change!
I haven't had a day unemployed in the last 35+ years. Never claimed a bean from the state but have paid considerable amounts in personal and busines tax that has been used to support people who need and deserve it and a hell of a lot who don't. I have no problem with protestors as long as they are responsible, law abiding and consider other peoples rights.
[quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change![/p][/quote]I haven't had a day unemployed in the last 35+ years. Never claimed a bean from the state but have paid considerable amounts in personal and busines tax that has been used to support people who need and deserve it and a hell of a lot who don't. I have no problem with protestors as long as they are responsible, law abiding and consider other peoples rights. Indigatio
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1:37pm Mon 31 Oct 11

banargustrolls says...

Good on them. I would advise caution to them pitching there though as you're gonna attract all sorts of drunken characters drifting over..
Good on them. I would advise caution to them pitching there though as you're gonna attract all sorts of drunken characters drifting over.. banargustrolls
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2:02pm Mon 31 Oct 11

busyperson says...

Please don't assume these people do not have jobs. I know that one at least is working to help those "less fortunate" people. I was there yesterday, on my lunch break now!
They do not need to state what their aims are, any one who is not in the 1% "elite" can only benefit from what they are doing. Some say they don't know what they want, read the banners and signs, says it all. They are doing it to draw attention to the injustice in society. Not costing anything in policing, very peaceful and organised.
Please don't assume these people do not have jobs. I know that one at least is working to help those "less fortunate" people. I was there yesterday, on my lunch break now! They do not need to state what their aims are, any one who is not in the 1% "elite" can only benefit from what they are doing. Some say they don't know what they want, read the banners and signs, says it all. They are doing it to draw attention to the injustice in society. Not costing anything in policing, very peaceful and organised. busyperson
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2:05pm Mon 31 Oct 11

John60 says...

God these people are so boring and so out of date. Why don't they set up camp somewhere where it would really matter. I mean, Brighton, hardly a place where the world will take much notice. Lets hope it snows followed by monsoon rains. That will soon move them on!
God these people are so boring and so out of date. Why don't they set up camp somewhere where it would really matter. I mean, Brighton, hardly a place where the world will take much notice. Lets hope it snows followed by monsoon rains. That will soon move them on! John60
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2:11pm Mon 31 Oct 11

JamPal says...

busyperson wrote:
Please don't assume these people do not have jobs. I know that one at least is working to help those "less fortunate" people. I was there yesterday, on my lunch break now!
They do not need to state what their aims are, any one who is not in the 1% "elite" can only benefit from what they are doing. Some say they don't know what they want, read the banners and signs, says it all. They are doing it to draw attention to the injustice in society. Not costing anything in policing, very peaceful and organised.
And exactly what is this injustice? Is it that some people work harder and are more successful than others? Oh boo hoo!

Grow up!
[quote][p][bold]busyperson[/bold] wrote: Please don't assume these people do not have jobs. I know that one at least is working to help those "less fortunate" people. I was there yesterday, on my lunch break now! They do not need to state what their aims are, any one who is not in the 1% "elite" can only benefit from what they are doing. Some say they don't know what they want, read the banners and signs, says it all. They are doing it to draw attention to the injustice in society. Not costing anything in policing, very peaceful and organised.[/p][/quote]And exactly what is this injustice? Is it that some people work harder and are more successful than others? Oh boo hoo! Grow up! JamPal
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2:14pm Mon 31 Oct 11

AmusedObserver says...

How dare you all. Most of us have jobs, myself included. Many camp there, go to work from there, and return there. And frankly, as Bette Midler said, the dirty hippy line is getting old. We will look after the site. We are drugs and drink free. And regarding the location, its not about Brighton. Its about the whole world. This movement will only get bigger. Our 'beef' is that the whole of our 'society' is sick, conducting many things in an inhuman manner, with no care or compassion for the average person. Those of us who are not employed, its not for lack of trying. We are not layabouts - if we were, we wouldnt be helping build a community of similar groups all over the worl striving for change. We contribute to society, its just a society that we no longer feel is good or right for us, our children, or their children. We are doing our peaceful best to make a world we want to be proud to pass on to those who come after us, instead of just accepting things as our lot.
How dare you all. Most of us have jobs, myself included. Many camp there, go to work from there, and return there. And frankly, as Bette Midler said, the dirty hippy line is getting old. We will look after the site. We are drugs and drink free. And regarding the location, its not about Brighton. Its about the whole world. This movement will only get bigger. Our 'beef' is that the whole of our 'society' is sick, conducting many things in an inhuman manner, with no care or compassion for the average person. Those of us who are not employed, its not for lack of trying. We are not layabouts - if we were, we wouldnt be helping build a community of similar groups all over the worl striving for change. We contribute to society, its just a society that we no longer feel is good or right for us, our children, or their children. We are doing our peaceful best to make a world we want to be proud to pass on to those who come after us, instead of just accepting things as our lot. AmusedObserver
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2:19pm Mon 31 Oct 11

gwennieB says...

The reason I left England forty years ago was exactly because of this situation. Socialism breeds contempt for one self, and the State perpetuates that by giving them welfare. Once mans incentive to work and produce a better lifestyle is diminished, his will and self worth become obsolete. These people don't want jobs, they have become parasites living of the backs of the rest of you. Change is needed, down with Socialism!
The reason I left England forty years ago was exactly because of this situation. Socialism breeds contempt for one self, and the State perpetuates that by giving them welfare. Once mans incentive to work and produce a better lifestyle is diminished, his will and self worth become obsolete. These people don't want jobs, they have become parasites living of the backs of the rest of you. Change is needed, down with Socialism! gwennieB
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2:25pm Mon 31 Oct 11

BiggerH says...

won't anyone think of the Ladyboys of Bangkok? - where on earth are they supposed to go?
won't anyone think of the Ladyboys of Bangkok? - where on earth are they supposed to go? BiggerH
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2:34pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Brighton_Belle says...

Why does everyone have to jump to the 'they must be unemployed' bandwagon? What do travellers have to do with any of this? There are just as many evil people who live in 'proper' houses who have 'proper' jobs who do awful things, I don't see anyone complaining about "evil people who live in houses".

Personally I couldn't care less as to the employment status of these people as long as they're protesting peacefully.

I'm not entirely sure I quite understand the purpose from the article, but I support their right to do it.

If some people don't at least try and change things then nothing will ever happen! At least these guys are trying to do something and to stand up for what they think is right instead of sitting behind a keyboard moaning and never taking action...
Why does everyone have to jump to the 'they must be unemployed' bandwagon? What do travellers have to do with any of this? There are just as many evil people who live in 'proper' houses who have 'proper' jobs who do awful things, I don't see anyone complaining about "evil people who live in houses". Personally I couldn't care less as to the employment status of these people as long as they're protesting peacefully. I'm not entirely sure I quite understand the purpose from the article, but I support their right to do it. If some people don't at least try and change things then nothing will ever happen! At least these guys are trying to do something and to stand up for what they think is right instead of sitting behind a keyboard moaning and never taking action... Brighton_Belle
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2:40pm Mon 31 Oct 11

mark by the sea says...

AmusedObserver wrote:
How dare you all. Most of us have jobs, myself included. Many camp there, go to work from there, and return there. And frankly, as Bette Midler said, the dirty hippy line is getting old. We will look after the site. We are drugs and drink free. And regarding the location, its not about Brighton. Its about the whole world. This movement will only get bigger. Our 'beef' is that the whole of our 'society' is sick, conducting many things in an inhuman manner, with no care or compassion for the average person. Those of us who are not employed, its not for lack of trying. We are not layabouts - if we were, we wouldnt be helping build a community of similar groups all over the worl striving for change. We contribute to society, its just a society that we no longer feel is good or right for us, our children, or their children. We are doing our peaceful best to make a world we want to be proud to pass on to those who come after us, instead of just accepting things as our lot.
if you want to help mankind, go to Africa and help the starving.. then come back and your realise how lucky you are.. why not start a political party if the 99% want you and your opinions.. how easy to change things! start a political party and run for election.. call yourself green or something like that!
[quote][p][bold]AmusedObserver[/bold] wrote: How dare you all. Most of us have jobs, myself included. Many camp there, go to work from there, and return there. And frankly, as Bette Midler said, the dirty hippy line is getting old. We will look after the site. We are drugs and drink free. And regarding the location, its not about Brighton. Its about the whole world. This movement will only get bigger. Our 'beef' is that the whole of our 'society' is sick, conducting many things in an inhuman manner, with no care or compassion for the average person. Those of us who are not employed, its not for lack of trying. We are not layabouts - if we were, we wouldnt be helping build a community of similar groups all over the worl striving for change. We contribute to society, its just a society that we no longer feel is good or right for us, our children, or their children. We are doing our peaceful best to make a world we want to be proud to pass on to those who come after us, instead of just accepting things as our lot.[/p][/quote]if you want to help mankind, go to Africa and help the starving.. then come back and your realise how lucky you are.. why not start a political party if the 99% want you and your opinions.. how easy to change things! start a political party and run for election.. call yourself green or something like that! mark by the sea
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2:40pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Hard times says...

I am indifferent to this.

The only thing I DESPISE is the vermin who litter this website who cannot comprehend or research their own opinions.

This has NOTHING to do with jobs. It has everything to do with corporate greed. Everyone (tax payer or not) has the basic human right to speak their mind and protest against evils of this world.

The real blight on brighton is the likes of these jaded old battle-axes, taking out the frustrations of wasting away their miserable lives on nothing.

You don't have to moan and groan about every last thing that you can't relate to.
I am indifferent to this. The only thing I DESPISE is the vermin who litter this website who cannot comprehend or research their own opinions. This has NOTHING to do with jobs. It has everything to do with corporate greed. Everyone (tax payer or not) has the basic human right to speak their mind and protest against evils of this world. The real blight on brighton is the likes of these jaded old battle-axes, taking out the frustrations of wasting away their miserable lives on nothing. You don't have to moan and groan about every last thing that you can't relate to. Hard times
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2:53pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Rocco10 says...

Worth noting the top 1% (the elite as they are referred to by the protesters) pay 25% of all tax. They bring jobs to this country and most make massive sacrifices in their personal lives to reach the levels they do. These people should wake up and realise that they're not going to make any difference like this. How about doing something real like studying and going into politics and being leaders themselves. They'll have more influence then.
Worth noting the top 1% (the elite as they are referred to by the protesters) pay 25% of all tax. They bring jobs to this country and most make massive sacrifices in their personal lives to reach the levels they do. These people should wake up and realise that they're not going to make any difference like this. How about doing something real like studying and going into politics and being leaders themselves. They'll have more influence then. Rocco10
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3:04pm Mon 31 Oct 11

mark by the sea says...

Hard times wrote:
I am indifferent to this. The only thing I DESPISE is the vermin who litter this website who cannot comprehend or research their own opinions. This has NOTHING to do with jobs. It has everything to do with corporate greed. Everyone (tax payer or not) has the basic human right to speak their mind and protest against evils of this world. The real blight on brighton is the likes of these jaded old battle-axes, taking out the frustrations of wasting away their miserable lives on nothing. You don't have to moan and groan about every last thing that you can't relate to.
greed is a two way street, yes companies avoid paying the full amount of tax, but if the government closed down loopholes, but greed is having 5 kids because you get more benefit.. child benefit should be abolished and given to the working people on low income. As i say, if your in the 99% of people stand for election and change things that way!
[quote][p][bold]Hard times[/bold] wrote: I am indifferent to this. The only thing I DESPISE is the vermin who litter this website who cannot comprehend or research their own opinions. This has NOTHING to do with jobs. It has everything to do with corporate greed. Everyone (tax payer or not) has the basic human right to speak their mind and protest against evils of this world. The real blight on brighton is the likes of these jaded old battle-axes, taking out the frustrations of wasting away their miserable lives on nothing. You don't have to moan and groan about every last thing that you can't relate to.[/p][/quote]greed is a two way street, yes companies avoid paying the full amount of tax, but if the government closed down loopholes, but greed is having 5 kids because you get more benefit.. child benefit should be abolished and given to the working people on low income. As i say, if your in the 99% of people stand for election and change things that way! mark by the sea
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3:24pm Mon 31 Oct 11

AmusedObserver says...

Gwennie, i am afraid that this is not a socialist 'protest' - though some members may or may not be, its not the point at issue - it would be going on the same either way. Mark by the sea, and others - going into the current political system and standing for parliament to 'try and make change that way' would be completely redundant, as to many of us the current political system is part of the problem. You are all free to conduct your lives in whatever manner you wish. All we ask is that you show the same courtesy to those who want a different way of things. Because this doesnt automatically make it wrong.
Gwennie, i am afraid that this is not a socialist 'protest' - though some members may or may not be, its not the point at issue - it would be going on the same either way. Mark by the sea, and others - going into the current political system and standing for parliament to 'try and make change that way' would be completely redundant, as to many of us the current political system is part of the problem. You are all free to conduct your lives in whatever manner you wish. All we ask is that you show the same courtesy to those who want a different way of things. Because this doesnt automatically make it wrong. AmusedObserver
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3:27pm Mon 31 Oct 11

paulbton says...

mark by the sea wrote:
whats there beef? other than not working? time the country stopped social after 12 months claiming.. and then get them clearing cemetries and the beaches. i hope it rains for next ten days and we have minus 5 this weekend.
I hope your wrong about the weather I'm a postman....lol....
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: whats there beef? other than not working? time the country stopped social after 12 months claiming.. and then get them clearing cemetries and the beaches. i hope it rains for next ten days and we have minus 5 this weekend.[/p][/quote]I hope your wrong about the weather I'm a postman....lol.... paulbton
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3:33pm Mon 31 Oct 11

mark by the sea says...

AmusedObserver wrote:
Gwennie, i am afraid that this is not a socialist 'protest' - though some members may or may not be, its not the point at issue - it would be going on the same either way. Mark by the sea, and others - going into the current political system and standing for parliament to 'try and make change that way' would be completely redundant, as to many of us the current political system is part of the problem. You are all free to conduct your lives in whatever manner you wish. All we ask is that you show the same courtesy to those who want a different way of things. Because this doesnt automatically make it wrong.
you dont like the system.. but your take the benefit!
[quote][p][bold]AmusedObserver[/bold] wrote: Gwennie, i am afraid that this is not a socialist 'protest' - though some members may or may not be, its not the point at issue - it would be going on the same either way. Mark by the sea, and others - going into the current political system and standing for parliament to 'try and make change that way' would be completely redundant, as to many of us the current political system is part of the problem. You are all free to conduct your lives in whatever manner you wish. All we ask is that you show the same courtesy to those who want a different way of things. Because this doesnt automatically make it wrong.[/p][/quote]you dont like the system.. but your take the benefit! mark by the sea
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4:02pm Mon 31 Oct 11

helen1201 says...

Hi Argos readers,
Interesting comments so far! I was camped at Victoria Gardens this weekend and I am currently at work, I will be back at the camp tonight. I also study and raise a family and there are plenty more like me, we have a tent rota system so although there may only be 20+ tents there right now there are many more people involved. We stand in solidarity with the other 1039 cities globally that are currently occupied by similar protests. A big part of why the camp is there is to hold open General Assemblies every evening at 7pm where we would like as many of you to come along as possible. It is a leaderless forum to discuss the current state of world and local affairs and attempt to examine alternate ways to move forward and create a more equal society than those currently being offered by our governments.
We have had a huge amount of support from local people, those camping cannot stay and would not wish to stay unless this continues. The overwhelming majority of people that came to visit us over the weekend (and there were hundreds because of White Night events in the same park) were incredibly supportive and many returned the next day with donations of food and equipment for the camp and some supporters living or working around Victoria Gardens offered us use of their homes or businesses for showers and toilets if necessary.
The national media is not likely to give fair coverage as their reporting of other occupy sites in the UK so far has been inadequate and misleading.
As far as I am aware the camp was not told that eviction proceedings will be started this week. A park ranger visited yesterday and said it was one possibility that would be discussed by councillors today.
This site asks you to refrain from posting anything false, abusive or malicious so please don't refer to us as 'scumbags'. Some people on this thread took offense to the suggestion that they are not currently working, please don’t make the same unfair judgements on the protesters that you yourselves are complaining about.
A little knowledge is dangerous so come and find out more! Visit Victoria Gardens anytime and chat with the great people there and come along to the General Assemblies and share your views.
I would like to make it completely clear that I am not the spokesperson for the camp just one very loyal supporter of the global occupy movement who will be at Victoria Gardens as often as other commitments permit.
Hi Argos readers, Interesting comments so far! I was camped at Victoria Gardens this weekend and I am currently at work, I will be back at the camp tonight. I also study and raise a family and there are plenty more like me, we have a tent rota system so although there may only be 20+ tents there right now there are many more people involved. We stand in solidarity with the other 1039 cities globally that are currently occupied by similar protests. A big part of why the camp is there is to hold open General Assemblies every evening at 7pm where we would like as many of you to come along as possible. It is a leaderless forum to discuss the current state of world and local affairs and attempt to examine alternate ways to move forward and create a more equal society than those currently being offered by our governments. We have had a huge amount of support from local people, those camping cannot stay and would not wish to stay unless this continues. The overwhelming majority of people that came to visit us over the weekend (and there were hundreds because of White Night events in the same park) were incredibly supportive and many returned the next day with donations of food and equipment for the camp and some supporters living or working around Victoria Gardens offered us use of their homes or businesses for showers and toilets if necessary. The national media is not likely to give fair coverage as their reporting of other occupy sites in the UK so far has been inadequate and misleading. As far as I am aware the camp was not told that eviction proceedings will be started this week. A park ranger visited yesterday and said it was one possibility that would be discussed by councillors today. This site asks you to refrain from posting anything false, abusive or malicious so please don't refer to us as 'scumbags'. Some people on this thread took offense to the suggestion that they are not currently working, please don’t make the same unfair judgements on the protesters that you yourselves are complaining about. A little knowledge is dangerous so come and find out more! Visit Victoria Gardens anytime and chat with the great people there and come along to the General Assemblies and share your views. I would like to make it completely clear that I am not the spokesperson for the camp just one very loyal supporter of the global occupy movement who will be at Victoria Gardens as often as other commitments permit. helen1201
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4:11pm Mon 31 Oct 11

gwennieB says...

Dear Amused Observer,
I have no problem with people wanting change. that is what democracy is all about, freedom of speech and life style. However, I have a real problem when public property is vandalized, metal piping is stolen, green spaces defacated on and a bunch of dirty, filthy, lazy living off the system parasites, have the audacity to think that I as a taxpayer and law abiding citizen, condone this type of so called behaviour. Grow up. get a job, go live in Afghanistan, India or Africa.See how real people without democracy survive, live in their shoes for a while. Stop whining and start doing. Nobody said life was easy, I worked hard all my life, and love the country I now live in because it gave me opportunity. But, when all is said and done, it is up to each individual in civilised countries. Either to stay at the bottom of the cesspool, or, use every bit of strength and self will to pull your self out of it.
Dear Amused Observer, I have no problem with people wanting change. that is what democracy is all about, freedom of speech and life style. However, I have a real problem when public property is vandalized, metal piping is stolen, green spaces defacated on and a bunch of dirty, filthy, lazy living off the system parasites, have the audacity to think that I as a taxpayer and law abiding citizen, condone this type of so called behaviour. Grow up. get a job, go live in Afghanistan, India or Africa.See how real people without democracy survive, live in their shoes for a while. Stop whining and start doing. Nobody said life was easy, I worked hard all my life, and love the country I now live in because it gave me opportunity. But, when all is said and done, it is up to each individual in civilised countries. Either to stay at the bottom of the cesspool, or, use every bit of strength and self will to pull your self out of it. gwennieB
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4:23pm Mon 31 Oct 11

banargustrolls says...

Well done and keep it up. Most people spouting rubbish here are provocative trolls. Don't feed them. :0)
Well done and keep it up. Most people spouting rubbish here are provocative trolls. Don't feed them. :0) banargustrolls
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4:34pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Archer2514 says...

I went down there today to find out what was going on personally. I found these professions within the camp through chatting with everyone (They even offered me a hot cuppa!)

+Lawyer
+Dispensing Technician
+Nurse
+Several Teachers
+Careworkers

And of course, a few people who didn't work - but whatever. The police had commented that they were Quote "Happy for people to camp as long as there was not a breach of the peace, and to phone 999 if there was any trouble"

As for drink and drugs...they've declared themselves a "Dry Zone". They were cleaning up after White Night where as I recall from a few videos, a group of people mounted a nearby statue and got so hammered that they took turns in stripping.
I went down there today to find out what was going on personally. I found these professions within the camp through chatting with everyone (They even offered me a hot cuppa!) +Lawyer +Dispensing Technician +Nurse +Several Teachers +Careworkers And of course, a few people who didn't work - but whatever. The police had commented that they were Quote "Happy for people to camp as long as there was not a breach of the peace, and to phone 999 if there was any trouble" As for drink and drugs...they've declared themselves a "Dry Zone". They were cleaning up after White Night where as I recall from a few videos, a group of people mounted a nearby statue and got so hammered that they took turns in stripping. Archer2514
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4:36pm Mon 31 Oct 11

mark by the sea says...

sorry i must miss the point here.. why dont these people stand for election and with the backing of the 99% of people they can change things so quickly? simple! or is it, we want more for doing less? I watched a tv prog about the USA and how they handled the workshy, 80 % of people signed off in one state? I might start a protest at to bring changes to the system, ie stop all benefits for those not willing to do unpaid work.. sadly i am to busy , working.
sorry i must miss the point here.. why dont these people stand for election and with the backing of the 99% of people they can change things so quickly? simple! or is it, we want more for doing less? I watched a tv prog about the USA and how they handled the workshy, 80 % of people signed off in one state? I might start a protest at to bring changes to the system, ie stop all benefits for those not willing to do unpaid work.. sadly i am to busy , working. mark by the sea
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4:40pm Mon 31 Oct 11

anonymous coward says...

@mark by the sea

While I agree that the "99%" thing is a bit trite, it's still better that people try to change their society than sit on the arses watching the idiot box.

Hopefully, in a year or two, they'll work out what it is that they want changed and then do something practical about it.

If we're really lucky, they'll stop using that 99% line and realise, as you point out, that everyone in the western world is the 1% really.
@mark by the sea While I agree that the "99%" thing is a bit trite, it's still better that people try to change their society than sit on the arses watching the idiot box. Hopefully, in a year or two, they'll work out what it is that they want changed and then do something practical about it. If we're really lucky, they'll stop using that 99% line and realise, as you point out, that everyone in the western world is the 1% really. anonymous coward
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4:52pm Mon 31 Oct 11

JamPal says...

Hard times wrote:
I am indifferent to this.

The only thing I DESPISE is the vermin who litter this website who cannot comprehend or research their own opinions.

This has NOTHING to do with jobs. It has everything to do with corporate greed. Everyone (tax payer or not) has the basic human right to speak their mind and protest against evils of this world.

The real blight on brighton is the likes of these jaded old battle-axes, taking out the frustrations of wasting away their miserable lives on nothing.

You don't have to moan and groan about every last thing that you can't relate to.
Nice of you to pop in and moan about the moaning about the moaners.
[quote][p][bold]Hard times[/bold] wrote: I am indifferent to this. The only thing I DESPISE is the vermin who litter this website who cannot comprehend or research their own opinions. This has NOTHING to do with jobs. It has everything to do with corporate greed. Everyone (tax payer or not) has the basic human right to speak their mind and protest against evils of this world. The real blight on brighton is the likes of these jaded old battle-axes, taking out the frustrations of wasting away their miserable lives on nothing. You don't have to moan and groan about every last thing that you can't relate to.[/p][/quote]Nice of you to pop in and moan about the moaning about the moaners. JamPal
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5:08pm Mon 31 Oct 11

helen1201 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
sorry i must miss the point here.. why dont these people stand for election and with the backing of the 99% of people they can change things so quickly? simple! or is it, we want more for doing less? I watched a tv prog about the USA and how they handled the workshy, 80 % of people signed off in one state? I might start a protest at to bring changes to the system, ie stop all benefits for those not willing to do unpaid work.. sadly i am to busy , working.
we have no leaders and no desire for power. we are trying to facilitate the opportunity for a global conversation about where we go from here. We feel that change is needed and we do not have the solution. The point is to have a forum for discussion so you can all come along and share ideas which will then be shared with the wider occupy communitiy. come and visit us and see what we are doing, i dont think we are doing less than we would be running a political campaign just trying something completely different.
Again I reiterate that I am not the spokesperson for the camp just one very loyal supporter of the global occupy movement who will be at Victoria Gardens as often as other commitments permit.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: sorry i must miss the point here.. why dont these people stand for election and with the backing of the 99% of people they can change things so quickly? simple! or is it, we want more for doing less? I watched a tv prog about the USA and how they handled the workshy, 80 % of people signed off in one state? I might start a protest at to bring changes to the system, ie stop all benefits for those not willing to do unpaid work.. sadly i am to busy , working.[/p][/quote]we have no leaders and no desire for power. we are trying to facilitate the opportunity for a global conversation about where we go from here. We feel that change is needed and we do not have the solution. The point is to have a forum for discussion so you can all come along and share ideas which will then be shared with the wider occupy communitiy. come and visit us and see what we are doing, i dont think we are doing less than we would be running a political campaign just trying something completely different. Again I reiterate that I am not the spokesperson for the camp just one very loyal supporter of the global occupy movement who will be at Victoria Gardens as often as other commitments permit. helen1201
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5:08pm Mon 31 Oct 11

helen1201 says...

we have no leaders and no desire for power. we are trying to facilitate the opportunity for a global conversation about where we go from here. We feel that change is needed and we do not have the solution. The point is to have a forum for discussion so you can all come along and share ideas which will then be shared with the wider occupy communitiy. come and visit us and see what we are doing, i dont think we are doing less than we would be running a political campaign just trying something completely different.
Again I reiterate that I am not the spokesperson for the camp just one very loyal supporter of the global occupy movement who will be at Victoria Gardens as often as other commitments permit.
we have no leaders and no desire for power. we are trying to facilitate the opportunity for a global conversation about where we go from here. We feel that change is needed and we do not have the solution. The point is to have a forum for discussion so you can all come along and share ideas which will then be shared with the wider occupy communitiy. come and visit us and see what we are doing, i dont think we are doing less than we would be running a political campaign just trying something completely different. Again I reiterate that I am not the spokesperson for the camp just one very loyal supporter of the global occupy movement who will be at Victoria Gardens as often as other commitments permit. helen1201
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5:10pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Generalsmuts says...

"Get a job" - the new "let them eat cake"?
"Get a job" - the new "let them eat cake"? Generalsmuts
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5:15pm Mon 31 Oct 11

UppityPrimate says...

while i agree with what the protesters stand for, and their right to express their discontent, this is what i like to call a 'lazy' revolution.
there is ALREADY a protest camp, within a 50 minute train ride of brighton, who NEED people to swell the numbers. occupy london stock exchange are due to be evicted in the next 48hrs, and have come under fire for low numbers and lack of commitment. you lot are on the right track, but the wrong piece of land. for all the good you're doing, you might as welll occupy your own ruddy couch. the government, the banks, the people who you NEED to get in front of, are NOT by the seaside in brighton. i'm sure there's great camraderie, but the bottom line is you are WASTING an opportunity to make a change.
while i agree with what the protesters stand for, and their right to express their discontent, this is what i like to call a 'lazy' revolution. there is ALREADY a protest camp, within a 50 minute train ride of brighton, who NEED people to swell the numbers. occupy london stock exchange are due to be evicted in the next 48hrs, and have come under fire for low numbers and lack of commitment. you lot are on the right track, but the wrong piece of land. for all the good you're doing, you might as welll occupy your own ruddy couch. the government, the banks, the people who you NEED to get in front of, are NOT by the seaside in brighton. i'm sure there's great camraderie, but the bottom line is you are WASTING an opportunity to make a change. UppityPrimate
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5:37pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Morpheus says...

When they discover what the solutions to the problems are I sure that we would all like to know! I can't wait for all to be revealed. Will the answer be 42?
When they discover what the solutions to the problems are I sure that we would all like to know! I can't wait for all to be revealed. Will the answer be 42? Morpheus
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5:37pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Morpheus says...

When they discover what the solutions to the problems are I sure that we would all like to know! I can't wait for all to be revealed. Will the answer be 42?
When they discover what the solutions to the problems are I sure that we would all like to know! I can't wait for all to be revealed. Will the answer be 42? Morpheus
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5:52pm Mon 31 Oct 11

stir up says...

The comments about the situation in other countries is more than valid. If they really want to protest about the problems of the world go and volunteer to help in nations where people are really oppressed. We live in a society that allows for protests lots of people would like the sort of freedoms we have. Have any of them given any thought as to where, of those working, their salary comes from and those on benifits where the money comes from. It has been worked out in the past that if you divided all the money in the country out equally to everybody we would each get about £3.60p. In a few years time when they have grown up a bit most of the protestors will become part of the society they despise.
The comments about the situation in other countries is more than valid. If they really want to protest about the problems of the world go and volunteer to help in nations where people are really oppressed. We live in a society that allows for protests lots of people would like the sort of freedoms we have. Have any of them given any thought as to where, of those working, their salary comes from and those on benifits where the money comes from. It has been worked out in the past that if you divided all the money in the country out equally to everybody we would each get about £3.60p. In a few years time when they have grown up a bit most of the protestors will become part of the society they despise. stir up
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6:38pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Falstaff says...

I really can't get steamed up about this. Every generation finds a way of protesting about something and every generation finds that it really doesn't make much difference at all.

With this particular bunch (and similar ones elsewhere) the gripe seems to be that it's unfair that a very small proportion of people are paid huge amounts of money. Fine, lots of people feel that way about lots of highly paid groups, from corporate bankers to FTSE 250 directors to premier league footballers and tv stars.

What I don't see is any ideas about what they would change that would gain positive support. Let the banks go bust? Put a ceiling on FTSE pay so that they leave the UK? Ban football teams from earning more than X amount so they play elsewhere? Cap actors' pay?

And I don't buy the 99% slogan. If you're on average pay in the UK, you're already part of the global 0.5%.

A bit more thought and a bit less camping might be an idea.
I really can't get steamed up about this. Every generation finds a way of protesting about something and every generation finds that it really doesn't make much difference at all. With this particular bunch (and similar ones elsewhere) the gripe seems to be that it's unfair that a very small proportion of people are paid huge amounts of money. Fine, lots of people feel that way about lots of highly paid groups, from corporate bankers to FTSE 250 directors to premier league footballers and tv stars. What I don't see is any ideas about what they would change that would gain positive support. Let the banks go bust? Put a ceiling on FTSE pay so that they leave the UK? Ban football teams from earning more than X amount so they play elsewhere? Cap actors' pay? And I don't buy the 99% slogan. If you're on average pay in the UK, you're already part of the global 0.5%. A bit more thought and a bit less camping might be an idea. Falstaff
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6:38pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Falstaff says...

I really can't get steamed up about this. Every generation finds a way of protesting about something and every generation finds that it really doesn't make much difference at all.

With this particular bunch (and similar ones elsewhere) the gripe seems to be that it's unfair that a very small proportion of people are paid huge amounts of money. Fine, lots of people feel that way about lots of highly paid groups, from corporate bankers to FTSE 250 directors to premier league footballers and tv stars.

What I don't see is any ideas about what they would change that would gain positive support. Let the banks go bust? Put a ceiling on FTSE pay so that they leave the UK? Ban football teams from earning more than X amount so they play elsewhere? Cap actors' pay?

And I don't buy the 99% slogan. If you're on average pay in the UK, you're already part of the global 0.5%.

A bit more thought and a bit less camping might be an idea.
I really can't get steamed up about this. Every generation finds a way of protesting about something and every generation finds that it really doesn't make much difference at all. With this particular bunch (and similar ones elsewhere) the gripe seems to be that it's unfair that a very small proportion of people are paid huge amounts of money. Fine, lots of people feel that way about lots of highly paid groups, from corporate bankers to FTSE 250 directors to premier league footballers and tv stars. What I don't see is any ideas about what they would change that would gain positive support. Let the banks go bust? Put a ceiling on FTSE pay so that they leave the UK? Ban football teams from earning more than X amount so they play elsewhere? Cap actors' pay? And I don't buy the 99% slogan. If you're on average pay in the UK, you're already part of the global 0.5%. A bit more thought and a bit less camping might be an idea. Falstaff
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6:40pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Falstaff says...

Apologies for the double post - server error according to what popped up.
Apologies for the double post - server error according to what popped up. Falstaff
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7:51pm Mon 31 Oct 11

MediumRare says...

Have you thought of changing your name to 'Occupy a town where there are hardly any bankers, lots of liberals but yet we seem to be some way off 99% support'?

Catchy huh?
Have you thought of changing your name to 'Occupy a town where there are hardly any bankers, lots of liberals but yet we seem to be some way off 99% support'? Catchy huh? MediumRare
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7:55pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Shares in tent manufacturers are rocketing.
Buy, buy, buy.
Shares in tent manufacturers are rocketing. Buy, buy, buy. Maxwell's Ghost
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8:30pm Mon 31 Oct 11

MediumRare says...

UppityPrimate wrote:
while i agree with what the protesters stand for, and their right to express their discontent, this is what i like to call a 'lazy' revolution. there is ALREADY a protest camp, within a 50 minute train ride of brighton, who NEED people to swell the numbers. occupy london stock exchange are due to be evicted in the next 48hrs, and have come under fire for low numbers and lack of commitment. you lot are on the right track, but the wrong piece of land. for all the good you're doing, you might as welll occupy your own ruddy couch. the government, the banks, the people who you NEED to get in front of, are NOT by the seaside in brighton. i'm sure there's great camraderie, but the bottom line is you are WASTING an opportunity to make a change.
Don't worry, I'm sure when the old bill turn up someone will tweet a warning using the smartphone they charged up at the local Starbucks.
[quote][p][bold]UppityPrimate[/bold] wrote: while i agree with what the protesters stand for, and their right to express their discontent, this is what i like to call a 'lazy' revolution. there is ALREADY a protest camp, within a 50 minute train ride of brighton, who NEED people to swell the numbers. occupy london stock exchange are due to be evicted in the next 48hrs, and have come under fire for low numbers and lack of commitment. you lot are on the right track, but the wrong piece of land. for all the good you're doing, you might as welll occupy your own ruddy couch. the government, the banks, the people who you NEED to get in front of, are NOT by the seaside in brighton. i'm sure there's great camraderie, but the bottom line is you are WASTING an opportunity to make a change.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, I'm sure when the old bill turn up someone will tweet a warning using the smartphone they charged up at the local Starbucks. MediumRare
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9:55pm Mon 31 Oct 11

HJarrs says...

gwennieB wrote:
The reason I left England forty years ago was exactly because of this situation. Socialism breeds contempt for one self, and the State perpetuates that by giving them welfare. Once mans incentive to work and produce a better lifestyle is diminished, his will and self worth become obsolete. These people don't want jobs, they have become parasites living of the backs of the rest of you. Change is needed, down with Socialism!
Ha ha ha, best comedy post! Funny thing is I was thinking of leaving for the opposite reason! Seems to me that when I look at other countries, the ones that offer the best quality of life are those with the best levels of social provision i.e. those that you would call "socialist" whatever that means. I bet you also left because there were too many foreigners as well.

I can't see what people have against these protesters who seem to be quietly making a point. Perhaps a fear of change? What would you do? Oh, I know, nothing.

I think a lot us feel ripped off and powerless and don't believe that this is the way things should be.

I like the 99% thing. The first 99% of salaried people in the UK last year were paid £100000 or (much) less, the top 1% were paid on average £1.2 million!!! Not to mention guarenteed gold plated pensions, rolling contracts and big payoffs for many of them. Oh, sorry, I forgot, we are supposed to be grateful for their wealth creation and tax avoidance.
[quote][p][bold]gwennieB[/bold] wrote: The reason I left England forty years ago was exactly because of this situation. Socialism breeds contempt for one self, and the State perpetuates that by giving them welfare. Once mans incentive to work and produce a better lifestyle is diminished, his will and self worth become obsolete. These people don't want jobs, they have become parasites living of the backs of the rest of you. Change is needed, down with Socialism![/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, best comedy post! Funny thing is I was thinking of leaving for the opposite reason! Seems to me that when I look at other countries, the ones that offer the best quality of life are those with the best levels of social provision i.e. those that you would call "socialist" whatever that means. I bet you also left because there were too many foreigners as well. I can't see what people have against these protesters who seem to be quietly making a point. Perhaps a fear of change? What would you do? Oh, I know, nothing. I think a lot us feel ripped off and powerless and don't believe that this is the way things should be. I like the 99% thing. The first 99% of salaried people in the UK last year were paid £100000 or (much) less, the top 1% were paid on average £1.2 million!!! Not to mention guarenteed gold plated pensions, rolling contracts and big payoffs for many of them. Oh, sorry, I forgot, we are supposed to be grateful for their wealth creation and tax avoidance. HJarrs
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10:01pm Mon 31 Oct 11

busyperson says...

Why do these comments assume that the protesters are unemployed? They have jobs, work hard and want a better life for all. There will be shift workers, and some turning up after work and at the weekends and yes there may or may not be some unemployed, but there again there will be a number of unemployed everywhere.
If you are happy with care being cut, hospital beds being blocked because there is no where for the elderly to go and big corporations avoiding paying tax on hard earned money spent in the UK then that's fine.
Please don't say use your vote, we all know that is a pointless exercise with the people running this country being out of touch with the majority. Clue, Eton educated and extremely rich!
Why do these comments assume that the protesters are unemployed? They have jobs, work hard and want a better life for all. There will be shift workers, and some turning up after work and at the weekends and yes there may or may not be some unemployed, but there again there will be a number of unemployed everywhere. If you are happy with care being cut, hospital beds being blocked because there is no where for the elderly to go and big corporations avoiding paying tax on hard earned money spent in the UK then that's fine. Please don't say use your vote, we all know that is a pointless exercise with the people running this country being out of touch with the majority. Clue, Eton educated and extremely rich! busyperson
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10:29pm Mon 31 Oct 11

carolynroggendorff says...

copy this link----Ben Fulford – The IMF And The Major European And US Money Center Banks Are Insolvent


read once you put in your search engine. The top of pyramid have one rule ,they commit fraud constanly ,print money illegally. We pick up the bill. But puplic have to abide by laws. if your ok with being a slave 9-5, 5 days a week you r brainwashed.We are not put here on earth to work but to raise our conciousness and grow spiritually. WAKE UP
copy this link----Ben Fulford – The IMF And The Major European And US Money Center Banks Are Insolvent read once you put in your search engine. The top of pyramid have one rule ,they commit fraud constanly ,print money illegally. We pick up the bill. But puplic have to abide by laws. if your ok with being a slave 9-5, 5 days a week you r brainwashed.We are not put here on earth to work but to raise our conciousness and grow spiritually. WAKE UP carolynroggendorff
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10:34pm Mon 31 Oct 11

HJarrs says...

carolynroggendorff wrote:
copy this link----Ben Fulford – The IMF And The Major European And US Money Center Banks Are Insolvent read once you put in your search engine. The top of pyramid have one rule ,they commit fraud constanly ,print money illegally. We pick up the bill. But puplic have to abide by laws. if your ok with being a slave 9-5, 5 days a week you r brainwashed.We are not put here on earth to work but to raise our conciousness and grow spiritually. WAKE UP
New age mumbo jumbo, but I must admit the bankers are starting to make bonkers David Icke & co look sane in comparison.

Quanatative easing anyone! Make mine a trillion$$
[quote][p][bold]carolynroggendorff[/bold] wrote: copy this link----Ben Fulford – The IMF And The Major European And US Money Center Banks Are Insolvent read once you put in your search engine. The top of pyramid have one rule ,they commit fraud constanly ,print money illegally. We pick up the bill. But puplic have to abide by laws. if your ok with being a slave 9-5, 5 days a week you r brainwashed.We are not put here on earth to work but to raise our conciousness and grow spiritually. WAKE UP[/p][/quote]New age mumbo jumbo, but I must admit the bankers are starting to make bonkers David Icke & co look sane in comparison. Quanatative easing anyone! Make mine a trillion$$ HJarrs
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10:34pm Mon 31 Oct 11

carolynroggendorff says...

The situation in Europe is making it clear to all but the most brainwashed that something historical is taking place. What is happening is that the criminal element at the very top of the Western power structure, especially at the very top of the financial system, has been cut off from their money printing machine. As a result, the IMF and the major European and US money center banks are insolvent. No amount of lying or paper shuffling or propaganda is going to hide this fundamental truth. The governments of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy etc. know that the debts they supposedly owe to bankers were created through fraudulent book entries and thus do not have to be repaid. That is why the banks suddenly announced that Greece only had to pay back 50% of their debt even though such a write off would destroy them. They are hoping for a tax payer bail-out that is just not going to happen. It is game over. The Rothschild banking nightmare is ending.
Even the highly brainwashed priesthood known as Western financial gurus and journalists are starting to realize that something is not right. ....
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What is now going to happen is that the 100 countries that have so far joined the new system started in Monaco in August, are going to implement the new system in four stages, according to a White Dragon Society source. The US military and agencies will be involved in this process right from the beginning, he added. Efforts to intimidate generals by using corrupt institutions like the IRS to try to repossess their homes will backfire and lead to criminal prosecutions.
The first step will be a lawsuit that will be filed before November 15th against the individuals and groups who abused the Federal Reserve Board system. This will lead to liens being placed against many of the largest financial institutions in the world, according to the filers. There will also be mass arrests.
The other steps have yet to be disclosed. However, some basic truths are already known. First of all, all honest businessmen and bankers worldwide will have nothing to worry about. Second of all, the money created through derivatives fraud will be eliminated from the books, even if that means bankrupting many of the big Western financial institutions. Third, major historical financial injustices will be addressed and stolen monies and assets will be returned to their rightful owners. This will be good news for the vast majority of Western citizens as well as the inhabitants of long exploited regions like Africa.
The international banking and payment settlements systems will remain in place after the reboot. This will mean the minimum possible disruption to legitimate business.
However, as mentioned earlier, the international institutions set up and controlled by a small group of Western oligarchs after World War 2 will be totally revamped.
The situation in Europe is making it clear to all but the most brainwashed that something historical is taking place. What is happening is that the criminal element at the very top of the Western power structure, especially at the very top of the financial system, has been cut off from their money printing machine. As a result, the IMF and the major European and US money center banks are insolvent. No amount of lying or paper shuffling or propaganda is going to hide this fundamental truth. The governments of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy etc. know that the debts they supposedly owe to bankers were created through fraudulent book entries and thus do not have to be repaid. That is why the banks suddenly announced that Greece only had to pay back 50% of their debt even though such a write off would destroy them. They are hoping for a tax payer bail-out that is just not going to happen. It is game over. The Rothschild banking nightmare is ending. Even the highly brainwashed priesthood known as Western financial gurus and journalists are starting to realize that something is not right. .... ........... What is now going to happen is that the 100 countries that have so far joined the new system started in Monaco in August, are going to implement the new system in four stages, according to a White Dragon Society source. The US military and agencies will be involved in this process right from the beginning, he added. Efforts to intimidate generals by using corrupt institutions like the IRS to try to repossess their homes will backfire and lead to criminal prosecutions. The first step will be a lawsuit that will be filed before November 15th against the individuals and groups who abused the Federal Reserve Board system. This will lead to liens being placed against many of the largest financial institutions in the world, according to the filers. There will also be mass arrests. The other steps have yet to be disclosed. However, some basic truths are already known. First of all, all honest businessmen and bankers worldwide will have nothing to worry about. Second of all, the money created through derivatives fraud will be eliminated from the books, even if that means bankrupting many of the big Western financial institutions. Third, major historical financial injustices will be addressed and stolen monies and assets will be returned to their rightful owners. This will be good news for the vast majority of Western citizens as well as the inhabitants of long exploited regions like Africa. The international banking and payment settlements systems will remain in place after the reboot. This will mean the minimum possible disruption to legitimate business. However, as mentioned earlier, the international institutions set up and controlled by a small group of Western oligarchs after World War 2 will be totally revamped. carolynroggendorff
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10:36pm Mon 31 Oct 11

carolynroggendorff says...

The situation in Europe is making it clear to all but the most brainwashed that something historical is taking place. What is happening is that the criminal element at the very top of the Western power structure, especially at the very top of the financial system, has been cut off from their money printing machine. As a result, the IMF and the major European and US money center banks are insolvent. No amount of lying or paper shuffling or propaganda is going to hide this fundamental truth. The governments of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy etc. know that the debts they supposedly owe to bankers were created through fraudulent book entries and thus do not have to be repaid. That is why the banks suddenly announced that Greece only had to pay back 50% of their debt even though such a write off would destroy them. They are hoping for a tax payer bail-out that is just not going to happen. It is game over. The Rothschild banking nightmare is ending.
Even the highly brainwashed priesthood known as Western financial gurus and journalists are starting to realize that something is not right. ....
...........
What is now going to happen is that the 100 countries that have so far joined the new system started in Monaco in August, are going to implement the new system in four stages, according to a White Dragon Society source. The US military and agencies will be involved in this process right from the beginning, he added. Efforts to intimidate generals by using corrupt institutions like the IRS to try to repossess their homes will backfire and lead to criminal prosecutions.
The first step will be a lawsuit that will be filed before November 15th against the individuals and groups who abused the Federal Reserve Board system. This will lead to liens being placed against many of the largest financial institutions in the world, according to the filers. There will also be mass arrests.
The other steps have yet to be disclosed. However, some basic truths are already known. First of all, all honest businessmen and bankers worldwide will have nothing to worry about. Second of all, the money created through derivatives fraud will be eliminated from the books, even if that means bankrupting many of the big Western financial institutions. Third, major historical financial injustices will be addressed and stolen monies and assets will be returned to their rightful owners.
The situation in Europe is making it clear to all but the most brainwashed that something historical is taking place. What is happening is that the criminal element at the very top of the Western power structure, especially at the very top of the financial system, has been cut off from their money printing machine. As a result, the IMF and the major European and US money center banks are insolvent. No amount of lying or paper shuffling or propaganda is going to hide this fundamental truth. The governments of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy etc. know that the debts they supposedly owe to bankers were created through fraudulent book entries and thus do not have to be repaid. That is why the banks suddenly announced that Greece only had to pay back 50% of their debt even though such a write off would destroy them. They are hoping for a tax payer bail-out that is just not going to happen. It is game over. The Rothschild banking nightmare is ending. Even the highly brainwashed priesthood known as Western financial gurus and journalists are starting to realize that something is not right. .... ........... What is now going to happen is that the 100 countries that have so far joined the new system started in Monaco in August, are going to implement the new system in four stages, according to a White Dragon Society source. The US military and agencies will be involved in this process right from the beginning, he added. Efforts to intimidate generals by using corrupt institutions like the IRS to try to repossess their homes will backfire and lead to criminal prosecutions. The first step will be a lawsuit that will be filed before November 15th against the individuals and groups who abused the Federal Reserve Board system. This will lead to liens being placed against many of the largest financial institutions in the world, according to the filers. There will also be mass arrests. The other steps have yet to be disclosed. However, some basic truths are already known. First of all, all honest businessmen and bankers worldwide will have nothing to worry about. Second of all, the money created through derivatives fraud will be eliminated from the books, even if that means bankrupting many of the big Western financial institutions. Third, major historical financial injustices will be addressed and stolen monies and assets will be returned to their rightful owners. carolynroggendorff
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1:11am Tue 1 Nov 11

downbythesea says...

Wow! A protest in the centre of Brighton which will influence nobody FOR your cause, but just alienate people.

Try doing it where people in power will take note, like outside Parliament in London. But on no, let's all annoy ordinary people in Brighton and mess up the place to boot, blogging on your iPads then going for a latte at the Red Roaster or Starbucks with fellow protestors Tarquin and Dulcibeth no doubt after a weally weally good protest session.

Great job, thanks for nothing, the vast majority of ordinary people don't give 2 hoots for your idealistic nonsense!
Wow! A protest in the centre of Brighton which will influence nobody FOR your cause, but just alienate people. Try doing it where people in power will take note, like outside Parliament in London. But on no, let's all annoy ordinary people in Brighton and mess up the place to boot, blogging on your iPads then going for a latte at the Red Roaster or Starbucks with fellow protestors Tarquin and Dulcibeth no doubt after a weally weally good protest session. Great job, thanks for nothing, the vast majority of ordinary people don't give 2 hoots for your idealistic nonsense! downbythesea
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12:13pm Tue 1 Nov 11

busyperson says...

These people are not making a mess they cleaned up 22 bags of rubbish which the council took away. Now it's pretty much a given that they are not unwashed layabouts now you complain they may be "posh". They are from all walks of life, they are not annoying anyone and from the donations they are getting they seem to have a lot of backing.
They are a friendly inclusive bunch, go along and have a listen, you may find you have a lot more in common that you think.
These people are not making a mess they cleaned up 22 bags of rubbish which the council took away. Now it's pretty much a given that they are not unwashed layabouts now you complain they may be "posh". They are from all walks of life, they are not annoying anyone and from the donations they are getting they seem to have a lot of backing. They are a friendly inclusive bunch, go along and have a listen, you may find you have a lot more in common that you think. busyperson
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1:09pm Tue 1 Nov 11

OldSchoolYoungster says...

Compare this to the University protests, I mean jeez it is like a walk in the park.

No police trouble, no mess. No burden to the tax payer.

I have no problems with protests, I mean we all need purpose. Maybe such actions by these people trying to force change is not such a bad way to go.

Though I am concerned that if these people have jobs and are protesting, I saw some were nurses and teachers and depriving the public of services. From a moral stand point is that just?
Compare this to the University protests, I mean jeez it is like a walk in the park. No police trouble, no mess. No burden to the tax payer. I have no problems with protests, I mean we all need purpose. Maybe such actions by these people trying to force change is not such a bad way to go. Though I am concerned that if these people have jobs and are protesting, I saw some were nurses and teachers and depriving the public of services. From a moral stand point is that just? OldSchoolYoungster
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2:42pm Tue 1 Nov 11

ripmaxman says...

This camping lark is becoming an epidemic and it is about time it was stopped.

Not sure if I understand what they are protesting about and from the article neither do they! It seems they just want to be a pain and cause yet another stain on Brighton.

Tell them to go and camp on Caroline Lucas lawn if they can afford the airfare!

The Greens have NO idea how to run a council and support the majority of council tax payers
This camping lark is becoming an epidemic and it is about time it was stopped. Not sure if I understand what they are protesting about and from the article neither do they! It seems they just want to be a pain and cause yet another stain on Brighton. Tell them to go and camp on Caroline Lucas lawn if they can afford the airfare! The Greens have NO idea how to run a council and support the majority of council tax payers ripmaxman
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5:30pm Tue 1 Nov 11

carolynroggendorff says...

if people knew the real dark at the top and how they view the public maybe they'd camp out too......camping is only way to show seriousness, noone replys to letters, the ones at top hoping we will go back to being a slave without questions its not going to happen. Time for putting money down in priority and people's emotions and natural resources/trees/wate
r/air at the top. Or the money system will destroy all things of natural value. they dont mix.
if people knew the real dark at the top and how they view the public maybe they'd camp out too......camping is only way to show seriousness, noone replys to letters, the ones at top hoping we will go back to being a slave without questions its not going to happen. Time for putting money down in priority and people's emotions and natural resources/trees/wate r/air at the top. Or the money system will destroy all things of natural value. they dont mix. carolynroggendorff
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5:50pm Tue 1 Nov 11

Vigilia says...

Calm down, dear.
Calm down, dear. Vigilia
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6:48pm Tue 1 Nov 11

Doc Brown says...

Don’t really understand why people are getting so angry about the occupation... It’s just people standing up for what they believe in. Also don’t understand why so many comments on here remark on the protesters being “lazy”, “unemployed” ect ect, when as is clearly stated above, the majority have jobs. Give them a break!! Personally it doesn’t bother me at all, Victoria Gardens is just down the bottom of my street, I walk my dog there everyday and have found them all to be friendly lovely people. They are keeping the area clean, not making too much noise, so as a local resident I don’t see a problem. People have every right to express there views about policies and inequality. If anything I think it’s highly selfless of them to give up home comforts in making a stand for inequality.
I do however think that there efforts would probably be better based in London where the main occupation is based. That would, in my opinion make more sense and be more likely to have an impact.
Don’t really understand why people are getting so angry about the occupation... It’s just people standing up for what they believe in. Also don’t understand why so many comments on here remark on the protesters being “lazy”, “unemployed” ect ect, when as is clearly stated above, the majority have jobs. Give them a break!! Personally it doesn’t bother me at all, Victoria Gardens is just down the bottom of my street, I walk my dog there everyday and have found them all to be friendly lovely people. They are keeping the area clean, not making too much noise, so as a local resident I don’t see a problem. People have every right to express there views about policies and inequality. If anything I think it’s highly selfless of them to give up home comforts in making a stand for inequality. I do however think that there efforts would probably be better based in London where the main occupation is based. That would, in my opinion make more sense and be more likely to have an impact. Doc Brown
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7:03pm Tue 1 Nov 11

Pork William says...

ripmaxman wrote:
This camping lark is becoming an epidemic and it is about time it was stopped.

Not sure if I understand what they are protesting about and from the article neither do they! It seems they just want to be a pain and cause yet another stain on Brighton.

Tell them to go and camp on Caroline Lucas lawn if they can afford the airfare!

The Greens have NO idea how to run a council and support the majority of council tax payers
Don't think the 'great unwashed' would be able to afford the air fare to visit 'Clueless Lucas' in her beloved Brussels.

And I agree with you about them camping on 'Brussels' Lucas's lawn; she and her husband Richard Savage own five properties, so there'll be plenty of room for them all...
[quote][p][bold]ripmaxman[/bold] wrote: This camping lark is becoming an epidemic and it is about time it was stopped. Not sure if I understand what they are protesting about and from the article neither do they! It seems they just want to be a pain and cause yet another stain on Brighton. Tell them to go and camp on Caroline Lucas lawn if they can afford the airfare! The Greens have NO idea how to run a council and support the majority of council tax payers[/p][/quote]Don't think the 'great unwashed' would be able to afford the air fare to visit 'Clueless Lucas' in her beloved Brussels. And I agree with you about them camping on 'Brussels' Lucas's lawn; she and her husband Richard Savage own five properties, so there'll be plenty of room for them all... Pork William
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8:18pm Tue 1 Nov 11

george smith says...

Indigatio wrote:
Presumably the procedure to evict these people is the same as to evict 'travellers'. If so it will be interesing to compare how quickly the eviction is carried out
my thoughts exactly
[quote][p][bold]Indigatio[/bold] wrote: Presumably the procedure to evict these people is the same as to evict 'travellers'. If so it will be interesing to compare how quickly the eviction is carried out[/p][/quote]my thoughts exactly george smith
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8:31pm Tue 1 Nov 11

george smith says...

carolynroggendorff wrote:
The situation in Europe is making it clear to all but the most brainwashed that something historical is taking place. What is happening is that the criminal element at the very top of the Western power structure, especially at the very top of the financial system, has been cut off from their money printing machine. As a result, the IMF and the major European and US money center banks are insolvent. No amount of lying or paper shuffling or propaganda is going to hide this fundamental truth. The governments of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy etc. know that the debts they supposedly owe to bankers were created through fraudulent book entries and thus do not have to be repaid. That is why the banks suddenly announced that Greece only had to pay back 50% of their debt even though such a write off would destroy them. They are hoping for a tax payer bail-out that is just not going to happen. It is game over. The Rothschild banking nightmare is ending. Even the highly brainwashed priesthood known as Western financial gurus and journalists are starting to realize that something is not right. .... ........... What is now going to happen is that the 100 countries that have so far joined the new system started in Monaco in August, are going to implement the new system in four stages, according to a White Dragon Society source. The US military and agencies will be involved in this process right from the beginning, he added. Efforts to intimidate generals by using corrupt institutions like the IRS to try to repossess their homes will backfire and lead to criminal prosecutions. The first step will be a lawsuit that will be filed before November 15th against the individuals and groups who abused the Federal Reserve Board system. This will lead to liens being placed against many of the largest financial institutions in the world, according to the filers. There will also be mass arrests. The other steps have yet to be disclosed. However, some basic truths are already known. First of all, all honest businessmen and bankers worldwide will have nothing to worry about. Second of all, the money created through derivatives fraud will be eliminated from the books, even if that means bankrupting many of the big Western financial institutions. Third, major historical financial injustices will be addressed and stolen monies and assets will be returned to their rightful owners. This will be good news for the vast majority of Western citizens as well as the inhabitants of long exploited regions like Africa. The international banking and payment settlements systems will remain in place after the reboot. This will mean the minimum possible disruption to legitimate business. However, as mentioned earlier, the international institutions set up and controlled by a small group of Western oligarchs after World War 2 will be totally revamped.
One of the more interesting postings
[quote][p][bold]carolynroggendorff[/bold] wrote: The situation in Europe is making it clear to all but the most brainwashed that something historical is taking place. What is happening is that the criminal element at the very top of the Western power structure, especially at the very top of the financial system, has been cut off from their money printing machine. As a result, the IMF and the major European and US money center banks are insolvent. No amount of lying or paper shuffling or propaganda is going to hide this fundamental truth. The governments of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Italy etc. know that the debts they supposedly owe to bankers were created through fraudulent book entries and thus do not have to be repaid. That is why the banks suddenly announced that Greece only had to pay back 50% of their debt even though such a write off would destroy them. They are hoping for a tax payer bail-out that is just not going to happen. It is game over. The Rothschild banking nightmare is ending. Even the highly brainwashed priesthood known as Western financial gurus and journalists are starting to realize that something is not right. .... ........... What is now going to happen is that the 100 countries that have so far joined the new system started in Monaco in August, are going to implement the new system in four stages, according to a White Dragon Society source. The US military and agencies will be involved in this process right from the beginning, he added. Efforts to intimidate generals by using corrupt institutions like the IRS to try to repossess their homes will backfire and lead to criminal prosecutions. The first step will be a lawsuit that will be filed before November 15th against the individuals and groups who abused the Federal Reserve Board system. This will lead to liens being placed against many of the largest financial institutions in the world, according to the filers. There will also be mass arrests. The other steps have yet to be disclosed. However, some basic truths are already known. First of all, all honest businessmen and bankers worldwide will have nothing to worry about. Second of all, the money created through derivatives fraud will be eliminated from the books, even if that means bankrupting many of the big Western financial institutions. Third, major historical financial injustices will be addressed and stolen monies and assets will be returned to their rightful owners. This will be good news for the vast majority of Western citizens as well as the inhabitants of long exploited regions like Africa. The international banking and payment settlements systems will remain in place after the reboot. This will mean the minimum possible disruption to legitimate business. However, as mentioned earlier, the international institutions set up and controlled by a small group of Western oligarchs after World War 2 will be totally revamped.[/p][/quote]One of the more interesting postings george smith
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9:12pm Tue 1 Nov 11

Zeta Function says...

Swell!! Go for it!!!
Swell!! Go for it!!! Zeta Function
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9:48pm Tue 1 Nov 11

micklin says...

looks very scruffy, bring out the water cannons!!
looks very scruffy, bring out the water cannons!! micklin
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9:37am Wed 2 Nov 11

Joshiman says...

What support?.
They have no support from hard working ,tax paying voters.What is it about these people.What kind of Council would allow this to happen and actually encourage it.
What support?. They have no support from hard working ,tax paying voters.What is it about these people.What kind of Council would allow this to happen and actually encourage it. Joshiman
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9:49am Wed 2 Nov 11

Dave in Hastings says...

I presume then that all of the people complaining about the protesters is happy that the NHS is being destroyed, their pensions are being robbed, that the most vulnerable in society are being victimised because of a problem caused by the super rich?
And I also presume you are happy with the super rich getting ever richer whilst the rest of us get poorer?
And to those who say these people should get a job - firstly as others have pointed out, many of them already have jobs, and secondly, where are those who don't have jobs supposed to get them? If you hadn't noticed the jobless total is at a 17 year high - currently at 8.1% I believe. ANd for 16-24 year olds it's 20% - if that isn't a recipe for future massive social unrest, I don't know what is.
You people need to wake up and smell the coffee! And 'Mark by the Sea' - I will neve take anything you say on the Albion pages seriously again - I never knew you were to the right of Thatcher.
I presume then that all of the people complaining about the protesters is happy that the NHS is being destroyed, their pensions are being robbed, that the most vulnerable in society are being victimised because of a problem caused by the super rich? And I also presume you are happy with the super rich getting ever richer whilst the rest of us get poorer? And to those who say these people should get a job - firstly as others have pointed out, many of them already have jobs, and secondly, where are those who don't have jobs supposed to get them? If you hadn't noticed the jobless total is at a 17 year high - currently at 8.1% I believe. ANd for 16-24 year olds it's 20% - if that isn't a recipe for future massive social unrest, I don't know what is. You people need to wake up and smell the coffee! And 'Mark by the Sea' - I will neve take anything you say on the Albion pages seriously again - I never knew you were to the right of Thatcher. Dave in Hastings
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10:30am Wed 2 Nov 11

jimbobmaginty says...

What a skanky sight for anyone visiting Brighton!

Yes visitors we also have useless unemployed layabouts in Brighton!
What a skanky sight for anyone visiting Brighton! Yes visitors we also have useless unemployed layabouts in Brighton! jimbobmaginty
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12:32pm Wed 2 Nov 11

hubby says...

This social unrest is happening everywhere.
In Spain my bank has frozen all of our assets and nobody can get their money out.
People are running out of money and extreme right wing parties are stoking things up ready to sieze their chance for power.
Be careful what you wish for!
This social unrest is happening everywhere. In Spain my bank has frozen all of our assets and nobody can get their money out. People are running out of money and extreme right wing parties are stoking things up ready to sieze their chance for power. Be careful what you wish for! hubby
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1:17pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Pork William says...

Has 'Brussels' Lucas or any of her Green party loons made any comment about all this? It's unlike 'Brussels' not to put her oar in; maybe she's too busy fretting about the rights of 'travellers' to notice this is going on?
Has 'Brussels' Lucas or any of her Green party loons made any comment about all this? It's unlike 'Brussels' not to put her oar in; maybe she's too busy fretting about the rights of 'travellers' to notice this is going on? Pork William
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2:27pm Wed 2 Nov 11

JoeBlow says...

Good for the protesters! At least they have the courage of their convictions to stand up for what they believe in. How sad it is that so many on here have given up on the right to protest and bought into the sedation of the people. Protest has a long and great tradition in the UK, and it is shameful that people can no longer tell the difference between protesters and travelers.
Good for the protesters! At least they have the courage of their convictions to stand up for what they believe in. How sad it is that so many on here have given up on the right to protest and bought into the sedation of the people. Protest has a long and great tradition in the UK, and it is shameful that people can no longer tell the difference between protesters and travelers. JoeBlow
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3:58pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Andy R says...

jimbobmaginty wrote:
whereisthe...? wrote: Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change!
I’ve got a job!!! One of my issues is scumbags like this sitting in a park in tents rather than getting a job!! We (the workers) have to pay for policing and councils to sort this out when really it should be made illegal!
Yes...annoying isn't it...when people make assumptions about you.....?
[quote][p][bold]jimbobmaginty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change![/p][/quote]I’ve got a job!!! One of my issues is scumbags like this sitting in a park in tents rather than getting a job!! We (the workers) have to pay for policing and councils to sort this out when really it should be made illegal![/p][/quote]Yes...annoying isn't it...when people make assumptions about you.....? Andy R
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4:02pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Number Six says...

Oh, protest has a long tradition allright. A tradition of being completely inneffective. From CND through Greenham Common to Stop the War marches in London. Changed nothing!
Oh, protest has a long tradition allright. A tradition of being completely inneffective. From CND through Greenham Common to Stop the War marches in London. Changed nothing! Number Six
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4:39pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Andy R says...

Number Six wrote:
Oh, protest has a long tradition allright. A tradition of being completely inneffective. From CND through Greenham Common to Stop the War marches in London. Changed nothing!
A piece of rank tosh which is almost not worth the effort of a reply.

But anyway......mass protest got us the vote - first for working men and later for women. It won the 8-hour day. It forced the government to commute the sentences on the Tolpuddle labourers and much later the Shrewsbury pickets. It won the right to work with basic health and safety protection. I got rid of the poll tax (and the prime minister who introduced it). Stop me when any of this rings a bell....
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: Oh, protest has a long tradition allright. A tradition of being completely inneffective. From CND through Greenham Common to Stop the War marches in London. Changed nothing![/p][/quote]A piece of rank tosh which is almost not worth the effort of a reply. But anyway......mass protest got us the vote - first for working men and later for women. It won the 8-hour day. It forced the government to commute the sentences on the Tolpuddle labourers and much later the Shrewsbury pickets. It won the right to work with basic health and safety protection. I got rid of the poll tax (and the prime minister who introduced it). Stop me when any of this rings a bell.... Andy R
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4:50pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Andy R says...

IT (mass protest) got rid of the poll tax obvusly, not I personally!
IT (mass protest) got rid of the poll tax obvusly, not I personally! Andy R
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4:51pm Wed 2 Nov 11

gwennieB says...

Forgive me for not wearing my rose tinted glasses, but if memory and history serve me right, wasn't it the people's right to VOTE that made these changes . And whilst I am on the subject, is it not time to do away with the socialist movement of unions. They are what hold the country to ransom.
Forgive me for not wearing my rose tinted glasses, but if memory and history serve me right, wasn't it the people's right to VOTE that made these changes . And whilst I am on the subject, is it not time to do away with the socialist movement of unions. They are what hold the country to ransom. gwennieB
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6:37pm Wed 2 Nov 11

chrisinbrighton says...

Nothing to do with starving in Africa. condoms is the answer to that problem. This problem is about greedy capitalists
Freedom of speech and the right to protest has been carefully eroded by this Tory government and if we're not carefull we will not have left any rights and may as well be living under a dictatorship. Lomg may these protests continue in the name of freedom
Nothing to do with starving in Africa. condoms is the answer to that problem. This problem is about greedy capitalists Freedom of speech and the right to protest has been carefully eroded by this Tory government and if we're not carefull we will not have left any rights and may as well be living under a dictatorship. Lomg may these protests continue in the name of freedom chrisinbrighton
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6:42pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Mrslug says...

Number Six wrote:
How is sitting in gardens in Brighton going to do anything? Apart from the townsfolk of Brighton who is going to notice, or care?
Gets publicity. Western Capitalism is in danger of collapse and that will cause a lot of problems for the people of Brighton and Hove.
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: How is sitting in gardens in Brighton going to do anything? Apart from the townsfolk of Brighton who is going to notice, or care?[/p][/quote]Gets publicity. Western Capitalism is in danger of collapse and that will cause a lot of problems for the people of Brighton and Hove. Mrslug
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7:31pm Wed 2 Nov 11

chrisinbrighton says...

If Western Capitalism is in danger of collapse' all the better. You wouldnt have had this problem under a Socialist government.
Try voting Labour next time !
If Western Capitalism is in danger of collapse' all the better. You wouldnt have had this problem under a Socialist government. Try voting Labour next time ! chrisinbrighton
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7:38pm Wed 2 Nov 11

Number Six says...

Andy R wrote:
Number Six wrote: Oh, protest has a long tradition allright. A tradition of being completely inneffective. From CND through Greenham Common to Stop the War marches in London. Changed nothing!
A piece of rank tosh which is almost not worth the effort of a reply. But anyway......mass protest got us the vote - first for working men and later for women. It won the 8-hour day. It forced the government to commute the sentences on the Tolpuddle labourers and much later the Shrewsbury pickets. It won the right to work with basic health and safety protection. I got rid of the poll tax (and the prime minister who introduced it). Stop me when any of this rings a bell....
I bow to your clear superiority. Apologies, I was in a hurry and didn't think to dot the "i"s. I was actually referring to recent history but I didn't make that clear. In any event, I would contend that it wasn't protest that got the vote, it was people prepared to die for what they believed in.

When I was a small boy we had the CND marches. I was too young to know why this bomb had to be banned but a lot of people marched protesting against it. We still have nuvlear weapons (Actually, if I remember correctly CND stopped demonstrating because they said that was outmoded and ineffective but my mind might be paying tricks)

I remember the Greenham Common protestors. They were still there after the US had packed up and gone home.

Allegedly 3 million people marched through London to protest against the \Iraq war. Apart from a lot of people getting excercise (and a lot of happy shoe repairers, what effect did they have? Now, if just 10% of those protestors had joined the Labour Party they could have had real influence on the boy Blair. As John Bird said, they way to change things from within
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: Oh, protest has a long tradition allright. A tradition of being completely inneffective. From CND through Greenham Common to Stop the War marches in London. Changed nothing![/p][/quote]A piece of rank tosh which is almost not worth the effort of a reply. But anyway......mass protest got us the vote - first for working men and later for women. It won the 8-hour day. It forced the government to commute the sentences on the Tolpuddle labourers and much later the Shrewsbury pickets. It won the right to work with basic health and safety protection. I got rid of the poll tax (and the prime minister who introduced it). Stop me when any of this rings a bell....[/p][/quote]I bow to your clear superiority. Apologies, I was in a hurry and didn't think to dot the "i"s. I was actually referring to recent history but I didn't make that clear. In any event, I would contend that it wasn't protest that got the vote, it was people prepared to die for what they believed in. When I was a small boy we had the CND marches. I was too young to know why this bomb had to be banned but a lot of people marched protesting against it. We still have nuvlear weapons (Actually, if I remember correctly CND stopped demonstrating because they said that was outmoded and ineffective but my mind might be paying tricks) I remember the Greenham Common protestors. They were still there after the US had packed up and gone home. Allegedly 3 million people marched through London to protest against the \Iraq war. Apart from a lot of people getting excercise (and a lot of happy shoe repairers, what effect did they have? Now, if just 10% of those protestors had joined the Labour Party they could have had real influence on the boy Blair. As John Bird said, they way to change things from within Number Six
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6:27am Thu 3 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

jimbobmaginty wrote:
What a skanky sight for anyone visiting Brighton!

Yes visitors we also have useless unemployed layabouts in Brighton!
Bring on the rain!
[quote][p][bold]jimbobmaginty[/bold] wrote: What a skanky sight for anyone visiting Brighton! Yes visitors we also have useless unemployed layabouts in Brighton![/p][/quote]Bring on the rain! Bladesboy Returns
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9:36pm Thu 3 Nov 11

sarahchalk says...

Wow.. I didnt realise there were so many bigoted people in Brighton. Some of these comments here should make you ashamed. The Occupy Movement is here to stay, Suggest you get used to it. I totally support the occupiers in Brighton and all over the world. Some ofthe above comments suggest that the camp is full of unemployed layabouts. Well I am a fifty year old mum of four, full time carer, and i am proud to be involved in the Occupy Brighton camp.
Wow.. I didnt realise there were so many bigoted people in Brighton. Some of these comments here should make you ashamed. The Occupy Movement is here to stay, Suggest you get used to it. I totally support the occupiers in Brighton and all over the world. Some ofthe above comments suggest that the camp is full of unemployed layabouts. Well I am a fifty year old mum of four, full time carer, and i am proud to be involved in the Occupy Brighton camp. sarahchalk
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Thu 3 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

Wake up... smell the coffee... Occupy is about education. The following exposes the ROOT problem and presents the SIMPLE solution:

"All virtual money systems of the type we use are a promise to pay, therefore an obligation or debt – the unfinished half of a deal, it is not technically possible to create virtual money debt free. This was much more obvious with older types of money such a tally sticks with the credit/debt halves clear in people’s minds. They understood it. People seem to have forgot now in modern times what money is and we take it for granted. Banks don’t ‘lend’ money technically (also misleading wording that confuses people) and people don’t ‘borrow’ it, they simply check circumstances, collect signatures and addresses, and then extend credit i.e. they publish promises which then begin to circulate. Because they frame this as ‘lending’ when it is actually not they justify this ridiculous position of charging interest because people believe it is some kind of favour. They are simply a certification/publis
hing house. Actually they should charge a one off admin fee and have this fee created as another promise between you and the bank, so then circulation can’t dry up. Money isn’t the root of evil, forgetting what money is and treating it as a thing and end in itself is rather than a tool of trade, is where it becomes evil. Obscuring the original promise with complex financial products makes it all easier to hide the mechanism behind its original creation and it gets even more unstable (bad promises). Someone actually needs to check these promises are real which is about the only useful thing that banks do already and I assume governments reluctant to change it. This is why at the moment the only way the public can create money for trade is to ‘borrow’ it. The interest attached is never created. So someone else must ‘borrow’ and the cycle continues towards heat death. This is absolutely insane.... Virtual money should return to what it actually is, rather than what is has been misrepresented as in modern times. Banks have mislead people and obscured what they actually do. That is the only problem and why they have become leaches on the productive economy. A medieval commoner would understand money better than most financial experts these days."
John Baker
http://www.positivem
oney.org.uk/2011/09/
prosperity-change/

"At the heart of our dysfunctional financial system is a remarkably poorly understood fact. Private banks create the vast majority of the money supply - 97% according to most estimates. Not the Bank of England, nor the Government, nor any institution which could be viewed as democratically accountable or representing the public interest, but private banks..."
http://www.neweconom
ics.org/blog/2011/09
/29/why-an-understan
ding-of-money-creati
on-is-essential-to-f
inancial-reform

"In fact, due to compound interest, the public’s debts are now greater than all the money that exists in the economy. According to Bank of England figures, if the UK public collectively took all the money in our bank accounts and used it to pay down our debts, we would end up with no money at all and still owe £306billion (plus interest) to the banks!"
http://www.positivem
oney.org.uk/whats-wr
ong-with-banking-tod
ay/

So what's the solution to the global economy being fundamentally insolvent? “If one admits that the creation of money is possible for a lower authority (the banks), why would it not be possible for the sovereign authority of the country — the Government? What prevents, who forbids the Government to do so? One accepts that banks can create money, but one refuses this power to the Government. The Government refuses to itself a privilege it has granted to the banks: that's the height of imbecility.” (1986) http://www.michaeljo
urnal.org/plenty34.h
tm

Legislation that takes back this sovereign privilege is in the UK parliament now enabling 100% of the money supply created the same as the note & coin are. But so few MP's, the media, the banks or the public understand that the global privatised credit creation at interest money supply system is the root cause of instability and that "a few simple changes to the banking system can stop the banks from blowing up the economy again in the future, and mean that we’ll never have to bail out another toxic bank. We can also remove banks' power to create money, and use that privilege responsibly for the benefit of society and the economy as a whole."
http://www.positivem
oney.org.uk/what-we-
want/

The legislation has been carefully worked out by MP's Steve Baker and Douglass Carswell in conjunction with Positive Money, the New Economic Foundation, and Professor Richard Werner at the University of Southampton, a globally recognized expert on the relationship between banks and the economy, with two best selling books on the topic and experience in the sector, including during the Japanese 1990s recession. The NEF book underlines this legislative solution by presenting cutting edge research confirming what Sir Josiah Stamp, president of the Bank of England and the second richest man in Britain in the 1920s declared in an address at the University of Texas in 1927:

"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin . . . . Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. . . . Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. . . . But, if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.

We need to spread this message because the Titanic is sinking whilst everyone else is hypnotised rearranging the economic deck chairs.
Wake up... smell the coffee... Occupy is about education. The following exposes the ROOT problem and presents the SIMPLE solution: "All virtual money systems of the type we use are a promise to pay, therefore an obligation or debt – the unfinished half of a deal, it is not technically possible to create virtual money debt free. This was much more obvious with older types of money such a tally sticks with the credit/debt halves clear in people’s minds. They understood it. People seem to have forgot now in modern times what money is and we take it for granted. Banks don’t ‘lend’ money technically (also misleading wording that confuses people) and people don’t ‘borrow’ it, they simply check circumstances, collect signatures and addresses, and then extend credit i.e. they publish promises which then begin to circulate. Because they frame this as ‘lending’ when it is actually not they justify this ridiculous position of charging interest because people believe it is some kind of favour. They are simply a certification/publis hing house. Actually they should charge a one off admin fee and have this fee created as another promise between you and the bank, so then circulation can’t dry up. Money isn’t the root of evil, forgetting what money is and treating it as a thing and end in itself is rather than a tool of trade, is where it becomes evil. Obscuring the original promise with complex financial products makes it all easier to hide the mechanism behind its original creation and it gets even more unstable (bad promises). Someone actually needs to check these promises are real which is about the only useful thing that banks do already and I assume governments reluctant to change it. This is why at the moment the only way the public can create money for trade is to ‘borrow’ it. The interest attached is never created. So someone else must ‘borrow’ and the cycle continues towards heat death. This is absolutely insane.... Virtual money should return to what it actually is, rather than what is has been misrepresented as in modern times. Banks have mislead people and obscured what they actually do. That is the only problem and why they have become leaches on the productive economy. A medieval commoner would understand money better than most financial experts these days." John Baker http://www.positivem oney.org.uk/2011/09/ prosperity-change/ "At the heart of our dysfunctional financial system is a remarkably poorly understood fact. Private banks create the vast majority of the money supply - 97% according to most estimates. Not the Bank of England, nor the Government, nor any institution which could be viewed as democratically accountable or representing the public interest, but private banks..." http://www.neweconom ics.org/blog/2011/09 /29/why-an-understan ding-of-money-creati on-is-essential-to-f inancial-reform "In fact, due to compound interest, the public’s debts are now greater than all the money that exists in the economy. According to Bank of England figures, if the UK public collectively took all the money in our bank accounts and used it to pay down our debts, we would end up with no money at all and still owe £306billion (plus interest) to the banks!" http://www.positivem oney.org.uk/whats-wr ong-with-banking-tod ay/ So what's the solution to the global economy being fundamentally insolvent? “If one admits that the creation of money is possible for a lower authority (the banks), why would it not be possible for the sovereign authority of the country — the Government? What prevents, who forbids the Government to do so? One accepts that banks can create money, but one refuses this power to the Government. The Government refuses to itself a privilege it has granted to the banks: that's the height of imbecility.” (1986) http://www.michaeljo urnal.org/plenty34.h tm Legislation that takes back this sovereign privilege is in the UK parliament now enabling 100% of the money supply created the same as the note & coin are. But so few MP's, the media, the banks or the public understand that the global privatised credit creation at interest money supply system is the root cause of instability and that "a few simple changes to the banking system can stop the banks from blowing up the economy again in the future, and mean that we’ll never have to bail out another toxic bank. We can also remove banks' power to create money, and use that privilege responsibly for the benefit of society and the economy as a whole." http://www.positivem oney.org.uk/what-we- want/ The legislation has been carefully worked out by MP's Steve Baker and Douglass Carswell in conjunction with Positive Money, the New Economic Foundation, and Professor Richard Werner at the University of Southampton, a globally recognized expert on the relationship between banks and the economy, with two best selling books on the topic and experience in the sector, including during the Japanese 1990s recession. The NEF book underlines this legislative solution by presenting cutting edge research confirming what Sir Josiah Stamp, president of the Bank of England and the second richest man in Britain in the 1920s declared in an address at the University of Texas in 1927: "The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin . . . . Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. . . . Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. . . . But, if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit. We need to spread this message because the Titanic is sinking whilst everyone else is hypnotised rearranging the economic deck chairs. Josephine Jaillet
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10:42pm Thu 3 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

sarahchalk wrote:
Wow.. I didnt realise there were so many bigoted people in Brighton. Some of these comments here should make you ashamed. The Occupy Movement is here to stay, Suggest you get used to it. I totally support the occupiers in Brighton and all over the world. Some ofthe above comments suggest that the camp is full of unemployed layabouts. Well I am a fifty year old mum of four, full time carer, and i am proud to be involved in the Occupy Brighton camp.
Shame on you!
[quote][p][bold]sarahchalk[/bold] wrote: Wow.. I didnt realise there were so many bigoted people in Brighton. Some of these comments here should make you ashamed. The Occupy Movement is here to stay, Suggest you get used to it. I totally support the occupiers in Brighton and all over the world. Some ofthe above comments suggest that the camp is full of unemployed layabouts. Well I am a fifty year old mum of four, full time carer, and i am proud to be involved in the Occupy Brighton camp.[/p][/quote]Shame on you! Bladesboy Returns
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10:45pm Thu 3 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

Josephine Jaillet wrote:
Wake up... smell the coffee... Occupy is about education. The following exposes the ROOT problem and presents the SIMPLE solution:

"All virtual money systems of the type we use are a promise to pay, therefore an obligation or debt – the unfinished half of a deal, it is not technically possible to create virtual money debt free. This was much more obvious with older types of money such a tally sticks with the credit/debt halves clear in people’s minds. They understood it. People seem to have forgot now in modern times what money is and we take it for granted. Banks don’t ‘lend’ money technically (also misleading wording that confuses people) and people don’t ‘borrow’ it, they simply check circumstances, collect signatures and addresses, and then extend credit i.e. they publish promises which then begin to circulate. Because they frame this as ‘lending’ when it is actually not they justify this ridiculous position of charging interest because people believe it is some kind of favour. They are simply a certification/publis

hing house. Actually they should charge a one off admin fee and have this fee created as another promise between you and the bank, so then circulation can’t dry up. Money isn’t the root of evil, forgetting what money is and treating it as a thing and end in itself is rather than a tool of trade, is where it becomes evil. Obscuring the original promise with complex financial products makes it all easier to hide the mechanism behind its original creation and it gets even more unstable (bad promises). Someone actually needs to check these promises are real which is about the only useful thing that banks do already and I assume governments reluctant to change it. This is why at the moment the only way the public can create money for trade is to ‘borrow’ it. The interest attached is never created. So someone else must ‘borrow’ and the cycle continues towards heat death. This is absolutely insane.... Virtual money should return to what it actually is, rather than what is has been misrepresented as in modern times. Banks have mislead people and obscured what they actually do. That is the only problem and why they have become leaches on the productive economy. A medieval commoner would understand money better than most financial experts these days."
John Baker
http://www.positivem

oney.org.uk/2011/09/

prosperity-change/

"At the heart of our dysfunctional financial system is a remarkably poorly understood fact. Private banks create the vast majority of the money supply - 97% according to most estimates. Not the Bank of England, nor the Government, nor any institution which could be viewed as democratically accountable or representing the public interest, but private banks..."
http://www.neweconom

ics.org/blog/2011/09

/29/why-an-understan

ding-of-money-creati

on-is-essential-to-f

inancial-reform

"In fact, due to compound interest, the public’s debts are now greater than all the money that exists in the economy. According to Bank of England figures, if the UK public collectively took all the money in our bank accounts and used it to pay down our debts, we would end up with no money at all and still owe £306billion (plus interest) to the banks!"
http://www.positivem

oney.org.uk/whats-wr

ong-with-banking-tod

ay/

So what's the solution to the global economy being fundamentally insolvent? “If one admits that the creation of money is possible for a lower authority (the banks), why would it not be possible for the sovereign authority of the country — the Government? What prevents, who forbids the Government to do so? One accepts that banks can create money, but one refuses this power to the Government. The Government refuses to itself a privilege it has granted to the banks: that's the height of imbecility.” (1986) http://www.michaeljo

urnal.org/plenty34.h

tm

Legislation that takes back this sovereign privilege is in the UK parliament now enabling 100% of the money supply created the same as the note & coin are. But so few MP's, the media, the banks or the public understand that the global privatised credit creation at interest money supply system is the root cause of instability and that "a few simple changes to the banking system can stop the banks from blowing up the economy again in the future, and mean that we’ll never have to bail out another toxic bank. We can also remove banks' power to create money, and use that privilege responsibly for the benefit of society and the economy as a whole."
http://www.positivem

oney.org.uk/what-we-

want/

The legislation has been carefully worked out by MP's Steve Baker and Douglass Carswell in conjunction with Positive Money, the New Economic Foundation, and Professor Richard Werner at the University of Southampton, a globally recognized expert on the relationship between banks and the economy, with two best selling books on the topic and experience in the sector, including during the Japanese 1990s recession. The NEF book underlines this legislative solution by presenting cutting edge research confirming what Sir Josiah Stamp, president of the Bank of England and the second richest man in Britain in the 1920s declared in an address at the University of Texas in 1927:

"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin . . . . Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. . . . Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. . . . But, if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.

We need to spread this message because the Titanic is sinking whilst everyone else is hypnotised rearranging the economic deck chairs.
Ridiculous attempts at hearts and minds. Suggest you pack up your gear and jog on.

Wake up and smell the coffee you unwashed waster!
[quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: Wake up... smell the coffee... Occupy is about education. The following exposes the ROOT problem and presents the SIMPLE solution: "All virtual money systems of the type we use are a promise to pay, therefore an obligation or debt – the unfinished half of a deal, it is not technically possible to create virtual money debt free. This was much more obvious with older types of money such a tally sticks with the credit/debt halves clear in people’s minds. They understood it. People seem to have forgot now in modern times what money is and we take it for granted. Banks don’t ‘lend’ money technically (also misleading wording that confuses people) and people don’t ‘borrow’ it, they simply check circumstances, collect signatures and addresses, and then extend credit i.e. they publish promises which then begin to circulate. Because they frame this as ‘lending’ when it is actually not they justify this ridiculous position of charging interest because people believe it is some kind of favour. They are simply a certification/publis hing house. Actually they should charge a one off admin fee and have this fee created as another promise between you and the bank, so then circulation can’t dry up. Money isn’t the root of evil, forgetting what money is and treating it as a thing and end in itself is rather than a tool of trade, is where it becomes evil. Obscuring the original promise with complex financial products makes it all easier to hide the mechanism behind its original creation and it gets even more unstable (bad promises). Someone actually needs to check these promises are real which is about the only useful thing that banks do already and I assume governments reluctant to change it. This is why at the moment the only way the public can create money for trade is to ‘borrow’ it. The interest attached is never created. So someone else must ‘borrow’ and the cycle continues towards heat death. This is absolutely insane.... Virtual money should return to what it actually is, rather than what is has been misrepresented as in modern times. Banks have mislead people and obscured what they actually do. That is the only problem and why they have become leaches on the productive economy. A medieval commoner would understand money better than most financial experts these days." John Baker http://www.positivem oney.org.uk/2011/09/ prosperity-change/ "At the heart of our dysfunctional financial system is a remarkably poorly understood fact. Private banks create the vast majority of the money supply - 97% according to most estimates. Not the Bank of England, nor the Government, nor any institution which could be viewed as democratically accountable or representing the public interest, but private banks..." http://www.neweconom ics.org/blog/2011/09 /29/why-an-understan ding-of-money-creati on-is-essential-to-f inancial-reform "In fact, due to compound interest, the public’s debts are now greater than all the money that exists in the economy. According to Bank of England figures, if the UK public collectively took all the money in our bank accounts and used it to pay down our debts, we would end up with no money at all and still owe £306billion (plus interest) to the banks!" http://www.positivem oney.org.uk/whats-wr ong-with-banking-tod ay/ So what's the solution to the global economy being fundamentally insolvent? “If one admits that the creation of money is possible for a lower authority (the banks), why would it not be possible for the sovereign authority of the country — the Government? What prevents, who forbids the Government to do so? One accepts that banks can create money, but one refuses this power to the Government. The Government refuses to itself a privilege it has granted to the banks: that's the height of imbecility.” (1986) http://www.michaeljo urnal.org/plenty34.h tm Legislation that takes back this sovereign privilege is in the UK parliament now enabling 100% of the money supply created the same as the note & coin are. But so few MP's, the media, the banks or the public understand that the global privatised credit creation at interest money supply system is the root cause of instability and that "a few simple changes to the banking system can stop the banks from blowing up the economy again in the future, and mean that we’ll never have to bail out another toxic bank. We can also remove banks' power to create money, and use that privilege responsibly for the benefit of society and the economy as a whole." http://www.positivem oney.org.uk/what-we- want/ The legislation has been carefully worked out by MP's Steve Baker and Douglass Carswell in conjunction with Positive Money, the New Economic Foundation, and Professor Richard Werner at the University of Southampton, a globally recognized expert on the relationship between banks and the economy, with two best selling books on the topic and experience in the sector, including during the Japanese 1990s recession. The NEF book underlines this legislative solution by presenting cutting edge research confirming what Sir Josiah Stamp, president of the Bank of England and the second richest man in Britain in the 1920s declared in an address at the University of Texas in 1927: "The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin . . . . Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. . . . Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. . . . But, if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit. We need to spread this message because the Titanic is sinking whilst everyone else is hypnotised rearranging the economic deck chairs.[/p][/quote]Ridiculous attempts at hearts and minds. Suggest you pack up your gear and jog on. Wake up and smell the coffee you unwashed waster! Bladesboy Returns
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12:56am Fri 4 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

When confused some are reduced to 'knee jerk' responses like shooting the messenger with personal attacks. Compassion, empathy, a simple smile of reassurance and offers of comfort and attention to help people feel calm is best so they can then feel able to hear and see the message and not be so threatened by what is after all a very very frightening idea; that our world is actually quite different from what they and their friends, if they are lucky enough to have many, thought it was. Come along and have a chat to the Occupy people sometime. We're a very friendly intelligent bunch and are all going to be here for a while yet, trying to fix the system for everybody, even those that still think its working! BTW way I'm a lawyer, former school teacher, a voluntary sector facilitator for over a decade, and ran an industrial design consultancy for 20 years. Oh, and I have a shower in my house, which I use every day.
When confused some are reduced to 'knee jerk' responses like shooting the messenger with personal attacks. Compassion, empathy, a simple smile of reassurance and offers of comfort and attention to help people feel calm is best so they can then feel able to hear and see the message and not be so threatened by what is after all a very very frightening idea; that our world is actually quite different from what they and their friends, if they are lucky enough to have many, thought it was. Come along and have a chat to the Occupy people sometime. We're a very friendly intelligent bunch and are all going to be here for a while yet, trying to fix the system for everybody, even those that still think its working! BTW way I'm a lawyer, former school teacher, a voluntary sector facilitator for over a decade, and ran an industrial design consultancy for 20 years. Oh, and I have a shower in my house, which I use every day. Josephine Jaillet
  • Score: 0

1:03am Fri 4 Nov 11

gwennieB says...

You know, it's about time you all got back on your space ship and went back to whatever planet you came from. Get real people, get a life, get a job, or, if your don't want your job, move on over and let someone else take it. Also, if you don't like the way things are being run here, then, go live in Iraq or Iran, or wherever else you want. BUT SHUT UP YOUR WINING!
You know, it's about time you all got back on your space ship and went back to whatever planet you came from. Get real people, get a life, get a job, or, if your don't want your job, move on over and let someone else take it. Also, if you don't like the way things are being run here, then, go live in Iraq or Iran, or wherever else you want. BUT SHUT UP YOUR WINING! gwennieB
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6:34am Fri 4 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

Josephine Jaillet wrote:
When confused some are reduced to 'knee jerk' responses like shooting the messenger with personal attacks. Compassion, empathy, a simple smile of reassurance and offers of comfort and attention to help people feel calm is best so they can then feel able to hear and see the message and not be so threatened by what is after all a very very frightening idea; that our world is actually quite different from what they and their friends, if they are lucky enough to have many, thought it was. Come along and have a chat to the Occupy people sometime. We're a very friendly intelligent bunch and are all going to be here for a while yet, trying to fix the system for everybody, even those that still think its working! BTW way I'm a lawyer, former school teacher, a voluntary sector facilitator for over a decade, and ran an industrial design consultancy for 20 years. Oh, and I have a shower in my house, which I use every day.
Not tonight Josephine, or the night after, or even the night after, in fact never.

At your age you should have more sense and suspect your silly little so called campaign will need to end soon due to adverse weather.

In the interim, shame on you and shame on the other tent dwelling wasters who have fully failed to engage the younger, hard working masses like myself!

Why tell us about your house and shower and feel the need to provide a summary of your CV, or are you trying to hide something else?

Wake up and smell the coffee you silly person!
[quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: When confused some are reduced to 'knee jerk' responses like shooting the messenger with personal attacks. Compassion, empathy, a simple smile of reassurance and offers of comfort and attention to help people feel calm is best so they can then feel able to hear and see the message and not be so threatened by what is after all a very very frightening idea; that our world is actually quite different from what they and their friends, if they are lucky enough to have many, thought it was. Come along and have a chat to the Occupy people sometime. We're a very friendly intelligent bunch and are all going to be here for a while yet, trying to fix the system for everybody, even those that still think its working! BTW way I'm a lawyer, former school teacher, a voluntary sector facilitator for over a decade, and ran an industrial design consultancy for 20 years. Oh, and I have a shower in my house, which I use every day.[/p][/quote]Not tonight Josephine, or the night after, or even the night after, in fact never. At your age you should have more sense and suspect your silly little so called campaign will need to end soon due to adverse weather. In the interim, shame on you and shame on the other tent dwelling wasters who have fully failed to engage the younger, hard working masses like myself! Why tell us about your house and shower and feel the need to provide a summary of your CV, or are you trying to hide something else? Wake up and smell the coffee you silly person! Bladesboy Returns
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9:42am Fri 4 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
Josephine Jaillet wrote:
When confused some are reduced to 'knee jerk' responses like shooting the messenger with personal attacks. Compassion, empathy, a simple smile of reassurance and offers of comfort and attention to help people feel calm is best so they can then feel able to hear and see the message and not be so threatened by what is after all a very very frightening idea; that our world is actually quite different from what they and their friends, if they are lucky enough to have many, thought it was. Come along and have a chat to the Occupy people sometime. We're a very friendly intelligent bunch and are all going to be here for a while yet, trying to fix the system for everybody, even those that still think its working! BTW way I'm a lawyer, former school teacher, a voluntary sector facilitator for over a decade, and ran an industrial design consultancy for 20 years. Oh, and I have a shower in my house, which I use every day.
Not tonight Josephine, or the night after, or even the night after, in fact never.

At your age you should have more sense and suspect your silly little so called campaign will need to end soon due to adverse weather.

In the interim, shame on you and shame on the other tent dwelling wasters who have fully failed to engage the younger, hard working masses like myself!

Why tell us about your house and shower and feel the need to provide a summary of your CV, or are you trying to hide something else?

Wake up and smell the coffee you silly person!
In the interim, shame on you and shame on the other tent dwelling wasters who have fully failed to engage the younger, hard working masses like myself!

That's a strange statement!
[quote][p][bold]Bladesboy Returns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: When confused some are reduced to 'knee jerk' responses like shooting the messenger with personal attacks. Compassion, empathy, a simple smile of reassurance and offers of comfort and attention to help people feel calm is best so they can then feel able to hear and see the message and not be so threatened by what is after all a very very frightening idea; that our world is actually quite different from what they and their friends, if they are lucky enough to have many, thought it was. Come along and have a chat to the Occupy people sometime. We're a very friendly intelligent bunch and are all going to be here for a while yet, trying to fix the system for everybody, even those that still think its working! BTW way I'm a lawyer, former school teacher, a voluntary sector facilitator for over a decade, and ran an industrial design consultancy for 20 years. Oh, and I have a shower in my house, which I use every day.[/p][/quote]Not tonight Josephine, or the night after, or even the night after, in fact never. At your age you should have more sense and suspect your silly little so called campaign will need to end soon due to adverse weather. In the interim, shame on you and shame on the other tent dwelling wasters who have fully failed to engage the younger, hard working masses like myself! Why tell us about your house and shower and feel the need to provide a summary of your CV, or are you trying to hide something else? Wake up and smell the coffee you silly person![/p][/quote]In the interim, shame on you and shame on the other tent dwelling wasters who have fully failed to engage the younger, hard working masses like myself! That's a strange statement! ignoranceisnotbliss
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10:08am Fri 4 Nov 11

jimbobmaginty says...

Some of these divs much have homes? I hope they get burgled!
Some of these divs much have homes? I hope they get burgled! jimbobmaginty
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10:52am Fri 4 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

jimbobmaginty wrote:
Some of these divs much have homes? I hope they get burgled!
So you support burglary? Interesting.
[quote][p][bold]jimbobmaginty[/bold] wrote: Some of these divs much have homes? I hope they get burgled![/p][/quote]So you support burglary? Interesting. ignoranceisnotbliss
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1:29pm Fri 4 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

I’m sure you will agree that your replies are “engaging with the younger, hard working masses like self!”? Thank you for them! It does seem a little odd though, to then refuse the opportunity of a peaceful chat "...in fact never..." and to suggest that those who support ‘Occupy…’ are “trying to hide something else”? The reason some have shown their “summary CV” and other details is because they are not actually writing for violent angry people who have commented here. Their efforts are for those who are genuinely curios and open minded about the sorts of people involved with ‘Occupy…’ who are not “silly…” angry people who can’t spell whinging or whining and believe in aliens living in space ships or want human beings to live in war zones paid for by other human beings taxes and the invisible slavery of ‘usury on the money supply’ of all of us.

BTW, our system must have unemployment to keep wages in check, this is why we have welfare - it's simply deluded (and violent) to insult people and scream at them to “get a job” or call them “tent dwelling wasters.” In any case this misses the point of 'Occupy...' globally, that 'money creation at interest' is an exponential explosion that is blowing up the world’s economy, job or no job, want one or not. History shows that 'usury on the money supply’ always ends with an economic explosion and lots of people becoming much poorer loosing their property, starving & dead, whilst the 1% strip the assets of the 99%, just like is happening in Greece, and soon Italy and Spain and Portugal and then the whole Euro zone with the UK not far behind. It’s happened over and over again. Its happening now. The BIG difference this time is we have the internet, which means that both finance and the 99% are linked up globally and we have a much better chance of a longer term solution that has to begin with getting rid of the mathematical certainty that ‘usury on the money supply’ will cripple all of us.

This is why many people believe its fairly certain that in one form or another ‘Occupy…’ will remain until 'usury on the money supply' itself is abolished and it will not "need to end soon due to adverse weather" it will most likely persist simply because ‘Occupy…’ is a global uprising by the 99% not "your silly little so called campaign." Also the local MP, and Council, whatever your political views, both support ‘Occupy Brighton’. Hope this helps a bit.
I’m sure you will agree that your replies are “engaging with the younger, hard working masses like [your]self!”? Thank you for them! It does seem a little odd though, to then refuse the opportunity of a peaceful chat "...in fact never..." and to suggest that those who support ‘Occupy…’ are “trying to hide something else”? The reason some have shown their “summary CV” and other details is because they are not actually writing for violent angry people who have commented here. Their efforts are for those who are genuinely curios and open minded about the sorts of people involved with ‘Occupy…’ who are not “silly…” angry people who can’t spell whinging or whining and believe in aliens living in space ships or want human beings to live in war zones paid for by other human beings taxes and the invisible slavery of ‘usury on the money supply’ of all of us. BTW, our system must have unemployment to keep wages in check, this is why we have welfare - it's simply deluded (and violent) to insult people and scream at them to “get a job” or call them “tent dwelling wasters.” In any case this misses the point of 'Occupy...' globally, that 'money creation at interest' is an exponential explosion that is blowing up the world’s economy, job or no job, want one or not. History shows that 'usury on the money supply’ always ends with an economic explosion and lots of people becoming much poorer loosing their property, starving & dead, whilst the 1% strip the assets of the 99%, just like is happening in Greece, and soon Italy and Spain and Portugal and then the whole Euro zone with the UK not far behind. It’s happened over and over again. Its happening now. The BIG difference this time is we have the internet, which means that both finance and the 99% are linked up globally and we have a much better chance of a longer term solution that has to begin with getting rid of the mathematical certainty that ‘usury on the money supply’ will cripple all of us. This is why many people believe its fairly certain that in one form or another ‘Occupy…’ will remain until 'usury on the money supply' itself is abolished and it will not "need to end soon due to adverse weather" it will most likely persist simply because ‘Occupy…’ is a global uprising by the 99% not "your silly little so called campaign." Also the local MP, and Council, whatever your political views, both support ‘Occupy Brighton’. Hope this helps a bit. Josephine Jaillet
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1:55pm Fri 4 Nov 11

Number Six says...

I'd be interested to see the source of that comment



Possibly because the MP and the council are Green, do you think..
I'd be interested to see the source of that comment Possibly because the MP and the council are Green, do you think.. Number Six
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3:01pm Fri 4 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

Caroline Lucas the UK's first Green MP spoke at Occupy Brighton last night and I guess since she's the national Green Party leader she has some respect from the UK's first Green Council too, who as far as I am aware have not published any plans to evict. Perhaps we could write to the Councillors and or the executive and ask them formally?
Caroline Lucas the UK's first Green MP spoke at Occupy Brighton last night and I guess since she's the national Green Party leader she has some respect from the UK's first Green Council too, who as far as I am aware have not published any plans to evict. Perhaps we could write to the Councillors and or the executive and ask them formally? Josephine Jaillet
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3:43pm Fri 4 Nov 11

Sa11yB says...

carolynroggendorff wrote:
if people knew the real dark at the top and how they view the public maybe they'd camp out too......camping is only way to show seriousness, noone replys to letters, the ones at top hoping we will go back to being a slave without questions its not going to happen. Time for putting money down in priority and people's emotions and natural resources/trees/wate r/air at the top. Or the money system will destroy all things of natural value. they dont mix.
Dear Carolyn,

I did not realise until now that money was anathema to emotions/natural resources/trees /water/air. I shall immediately go clear out my meagre account.

May I ask whether it is specific people who do not reply to your letters or people in general? I have found it helpful, in previous correspondence, to be in possession of an address that my pen pal can write back to me on.

If it is the park then it may take a little longer for the postman to get around all 20 of the tents asking if you are you. Perhaps you could get up early one morning when they are on their rounds, introduce yourself and express your concern that you are not receiving your post?

All the very best in changing the world.

Regards
[quote][p][bold]carolynroggendorff[/bold] wrote: if people knew the real dark at the top and how they view the public maybe they'd camp out too......camping is only way to show seriousness, noone replys to letters, the ones at top hoping we will go back to being a slave without questions its not going to happen. Time for putting money down in priority and people's emotions and natural resources/trees/wate r/air at the top. Or the money system will destroy all things of natural value. they dont mix.[/p][/quote]Dear Carolyn, I did not realise until now that money was anathema to emotions/natural resources/trees /water/air. I shall immediately go clear out my meagre account. May I ask whether it is specific people who do not reply to your letters or people in general? I have found it helpful, in previous correspondence, to be in possession of an address that my pen pal can write back to me on. If it is the park then it may take a little longer for the postman to get around all 20 of the tents asking if you are you. Perhaps you could get up early one morning when they are on their rounds, introduce yourself and express your concern that you are not receiving your post? All the very best in changing the world. Regards Sa11yB
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4:52pm Fri 4 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

Bladesboy: "suspect your silly little so called campaign"

I don't think you understand the difference between a campaign and a movement at all. This is certainly not a campaign.
Bladesboy: "suspect your silly little so called campaign" I don't think you understand the difference between a campaign and a movement at all. This is certainly not a campaign. ignoranceisnotbliss
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9:04pm Fri 4 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

ignoranceisnotbliss wrote:
Bladesboy: "suspect your silly little so called campaign"

I don't think you understand the difference between a campaign and a movement at all. This is certainly not a campaign.
I understand enough to be comfortable that you wasters can't have your movement in your tents and presumably rely upon access to the public toilets for same. LOL!

Wake up and smell the coffee whilst your campaign crashes and burns around you!
[quote][p][bold]ignoranceisnotbliss[/bold] wrote: Bladesboy: "suspect your silly little so called campaign" I don't think you understand the difference between a campaign and a movement at all. This is certainly not a campaign.[/p][/quote]I understand enough to be comfortable that you wasters can't have your movement in your tents and presumably rely upon access to the public toilets for same. LOL! Wake up and smell the coffee whilst your campaign crashes and burns around you! Bladesboy Returns
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2:12am Sat 5 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
ignoranceisnotbliss wrote:
Bladesboy: "suspect your silly little so called campaign"

I don't think you understand the difference between a campaign and a movement at all. This is certainly not a campaign.
I understand enough to be comfortable that you wasters can't have your movement in your tents and presumably rely upon access to the public toilets for same. LOL!

Wake up and smell the coffee whilst your campaign crashes and burns around you!
Bladesboy: Glad to have given you a chance to go for a bit of toilet humour. I realise that pleases some people. Something to do with problems potty training I believe.

And do you know it seems you might have a bit of a verbal tic which seems to take the form of repeating "Wake up and smell the coffee" endlessly.

And I repeat - it's not a campaign.
[quote][p][bold]Bladesboy Returns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ignoranceisnotbliss[/bold] wrote: Bladesboy: "suspect your silly little so called campaign" I don't think you understand the difference between a campaign and a movement at all. This is certainly not a campaign.[/p][/quote]I understand enough to be comfortable that you wasters can't have your movement in your tents and presumably rely upon access to the public toilets for same. LOL! Wake up and smell the coffee whilst your campaign crashes and burns around you![/p][/quote]Bladesboy: Glad to have given you a chance to go for a bit of toilet humour. I realise that pleases some people. Something to do with problems potty training I believe. And do you know it seems you might have a bit of a verbal tic which seems to take the form of repeating "Wake up and smell the coffee" endlessly. And I repeat - it's not a campaign. ignoranceisnotbliss
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8:49am Sat 5 Nov 11

Pork William says...

Josephine Jaillet wrote:
I’m sure you will agree that your replies are “engaging with the younger, hard working masses like self!”? Thank you for them! It does seem a little odd though, to then refuse the opportunity of a peaceful chat "...in fact never..." and to suggest that those who support ‘Occupy…’ are “trying to hide something else”? The reason some have shown their “summary CV” and other details is because they are not actually writing for violent angry people who have commented here. Their efforts are for those who are genuinely curios and open minded about the sorts of people involved with ‘Occupy…’ who are not “silly…” angry people who can’t spell whinging or whining and believe in aliens living in space ships or want human beings to live in war zones paid for by other human beings taxes and the invisible slavery of ‘usury on the money supply’ of all of us.

BTW, our system must have unemployment to keep wages in check, this is why we have welfare - it's simply deluded (and violent) to insult people and scream at them to “get a job” or call them “tent dwelling wasters.” In any case this misses the point of 'Occupy...' globally, that 'money creation at interest' is an exponential explosion that is blowing up the world’s economy, job or no job, want one or not. History shows that 'usury on the money supply’ always ends with an economic explosion and lots of people becoming much poorer loosing their property, starving & dead, whilst the 1% strip the assets of the 99%, just like is happening in Greece, and soon Italy and Spain and Portugal and then the whole Euro zone with the UK not far behind. It’s happened over and over again. Its happening now. The BIG difference this time is we have the internet, which means that both finance and the 99% are linked up globally and we have a much better chance of a longer term solution that has to begin with getting rid of the mathematical certainty that ‘usury on the money supply’ will cripple all of us.

This is why many people believe its fairly certain that in one form or another ‘Occupy…’ will remain until 'usury on the money supply' itself is abolished and it will not "need to end soon due to adverse weather" it will most likely persist simply because ‘Occupy…’ is a global uprising by the 99% not "your silly little so called campaign." Also the local MP, and Council, whatever your political views, both support ‘Occupy Brighton’. Hope this helps a bit.
The people of Brighton are sick to death of 'Brussels' Lucas and her bunch of Marxist Green clowns; if she is resentful of the current financial system, why doesn't she sell one of the FIVE properties that she and her husband Ruchard Savage own?

Typical hypocritical Green; pretending to protest against the system that she and her husband have done very, very well out of (her husband is worst in excess of one million pounds...)
[quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: I’m sure you will agree that your replies are “engaging with the younger, hard working masses like [your]self!”? Thank you for them! It does seem a little odd though, to then refuse the opportunity of a peaceful chat "...in fact never..." and to suggest that those who support ‘Occupy…’ are “trying to hide something else”? The reason some have shown their “summary CV” and other details is because they are not actually writing for violent angry people who have commented here. Their efforts are for those who are genuinely curios and open minded about the sorts of people involved with ‘Occupy…’ who are not “silly…” angry people who can’t spell whinging or whining and believe in aliens living in space ships or want human beings to live in war zones paid for by other human beings taxes and the invisible slavery of ‘usury on the money supply’ of all of us. BTW, our system must have unemployment to keep wages in check, this is why we have welfare - it's simply deluded (and violent) to insult people and scream at them to “get a job” or call them “tent dwelling wasters.” In any case this misses the point of 'Occupy...' globally, that 'money creation at interest' is an exponential explosion that is blowing up the world’s economy, job or no job, want one or not. History shows that 'usury on the money supply’ always ends with an economic explosion and lots of people becoming much poorer loosing their property, starving & dead, whilst the 1% strip the assets of the 99%, just like is happening in Greece, and soon Italy and Spain and Portugal and then the whole Euro zone with the UK not far behind. It’s happened over and over again. Its happening now. The BIG difference this time is we have the internet, which means that both finance and the 99% are linked up globally and we have a much better chance of a longer term solution that has to begin with getting rid of the mathematical certainty that ‘usury on the money supply’ will cripple all of us. This is why many people believe its fairly certain that in one form or another ‘Occupy…’ will remain until 'usury on the money supply' itself is abolished and it will not "need to end soon due to adverse weather" it will most likely persist simply because ‘Occupy…’ is a global uprising by the 99% not "your silly little so called campaign." Also the local MP, and Council, whatever your political views, both support ‘Occupy Brighton’. Hope this helps a bit.[/p][/quote]The people of Brighton are sick to death of 'Brussels' Lucas and her bunch of Marxist Green clowns; if she is resentful of the current financial system, why doesn't she sell one of the FIVE properties that she and her husband Ruchard Savage own? Typical hypocritical Green; pretending to protest against the system that she and her husband have done very, very well out of (her husband is worst in excess of one million pounds...) Pork William
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8:51am Sat 5 Nov 11

Pork William says...

Sorry for the typo; that should be 'worth', not 'worst'
Sorry for the typo; that should be 'worth', not 'worst' Pork William
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9:29am Sat 5 Nov 11

Pork William says...

PS The financial system that 'Brussels' Lucas thinks is so unfair has allowed her to pay for her children to be privately educated in one of Brussels top private schools
PS The financial system that 'Brussels' Lucas thinks is so unfair has allowed her to pay for her children to be privately educated in one of Brussels top private schools Pork William
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12:13pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

First off anyone can 'join the Occupy movement' and its been said over and over here that the good people at Occupy Brighton WELCOME debate any time you want! Just show up and start chatting PEACEFULLY and CALMLY. Or read and write here or anywhere on the net you chose. Both are free and open debate. Second attacking the MP misses the point; that the banksters are shafting us all, whether you have no home or five and whether you want to see it or not. Whether the camp at Victoria gardens stays or goes misses the point; the BANKSTERS ARE SHAFTING ALL OF US.
First off anyone can 'join the Occupy movement' and its been said over and over here that the good people at Occupy Brighton WELCOME debate any time you want! Just show up and start chatting PEACEFULLY and CALMLY. Or read and write here or anywhere on the net you chose. Both are free and open debate. Second attacking the MP misses the point; that the banksters are shafting us all, whether you have no home or five and whether you want to see it or not. Whether the camp at Victoria gardens stays or goes misses the point; the BANKSTERS ARE SHAFTING ALL OF US. Josephine Jaillet
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12:29pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

Okay. To all those who think Occupy should just go away, here's the deal: if you're right, screw Occupy, just a bunch of whatever’s, yes? And business as usual, yes? And we just let the bankster psychopaths carry on screwing all of us, right? realitysandwich.com/
psychopathy_financia
l_meltdown

But, what if (just suppose, for minute) you're wrong, and Occupy is right? (For a minuet? Just suppose?) And we don't get another huge financial meltdown, the Euro doesn't evaporate, the Dollar doesn't crash, the West doesn't invade Syria or Iran next, and the £ doesn't hyper inflate, and we don't get huge rises in unemployment, and we don't get house repossessions going through the roof, ('scuse the pun!) and government debt and borrowing doesn't continues to spiral out of control, and the energy giants don't blow half the country side up trying get gas out the ground, and the government doesn't screw down the National Health Service and flog it off as fast as it can to the banksters, ('cause that's who buys everything 'cause they're the ones the government lets print the money and 'lend at interest' back to itself because the government’s too daft to just print it for itself for free pegged to the economy with 0% inflation and abolishing “austerity measures”!), flog it all off to the banksters, via for profit business's that front the scam, and the schools (student loans), and the prisons and the roads don't start to get flogged off bit by bit too, and we don't get people madly stockpiling food in the UK, and we don’t get more people protesting on the streets and outside Parliament like they are today, Yes? You get the picture? Just suppose? Should Occupy, if all this did start to happen as it already is, welcome you (as it does now despite your vitriolic hatred of it)? When its starts to get a bit chaotic? Just a little question? Just suppose? But what if we had a simple solution too all this? And we want to share it with you, 'cause we think its cool? An easy-peazy lemon-squeezy solution? (Just suppose). Wouldn't you want a teeny weenie peek aboo at our crazy simple idea to fix it all up? (Just suppose)? Just to confirm our idea is crazy and we’re all a bunch of screwballs? Just so you can utterly and totally prove that you were right all along? A microgram of curiosity, maybe? PositiveMoney.org.uk Or what about a Debt Jubilee? rt.com/programs/keis
er-report/episode-20
5-max-keiser/
Okay. To all those who think Occupy should just go away, here's the deal: if you're right, screw Occupy, just a bunch of whatever’s, yes? And business as usual, yes? And we just let the bankster psychopaths carry on screwing all of us, right? realitysandwich.com/ psychopathy_financia l_meltdown But, what if (just suppose, for minute) you're wrong, and Occupy is right? (For a minuet? Just suppose?) And we don't get another huge financial meltdown, the Euro doesn't evaporate, the Dollar doesn't crash, the West doesn't invade Syria or Iran next, and the £ doesn't hyper inflate, and we don't get huge rises in unemployment, and we don't get house repossessions going through the roof, ('scuse the pun!) and government debt and borrowing doesn't continues to spiral out of control, and the energy giants don't blow half the country side up trying get gas out the ground, and the government doesn't screw down the National Health Service and flog it off as fast as it can to the banksters, ('cause that's who buys everything 'cause they're the ones the government lets print the money and 'lend at interest' back to itself because the government’s too daft to just print it for itself for free pegged to the economy with 0% inflation and abolishing “austerity measures”!), flog it all off to the banksters, via for profit business's that front the scam, and the schools (student loans), and the prisons and the roads don't start to get flogged off bit by bit too, and we don't get people madly stockpiling food in the UK, and we don’t get more people protesting on the streets and outside Parliament like they are today, Yes? You get the picture? Just suppose? Should Occupy, if all this did start to happen as it already is, welcome you (as it does now despite your vitriolic hatred of it)? When its starts to get a bit chaotic? Just a little question? Just suppose? But what if we had a simple solution too all this? And we want to share it with you, 'cause we think its cool? An easy-peazy lemon-squeezy solution? (Just suppose). Wouldn't you want a teeny weenie peek aboo at our crazy simple idea to fix it all up? (Just suppose)? Just to confirm our idea is crazy and we’re all a bunch of screwballs? Just so you can utterly and totally prove that you were right all along? A microgram of curiosity, maybe? PositiveMoney.org.uk Or what about a Debt Jubilee? rt.com/programs/keis er-report/episode-20 5-max-keiser/ Josephine Jaillet
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12:48pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Number Six says...

Jeez are you Jeffrey Archer? Just suppose) Do you know the meaning of the word "brevity""

Just suppose you tell us exactly what you want, exactly how you propose to do it, exactly how will you judge your efforts. No speculation.

Just suppose you tell me what your qualifications are for pushing your views on me.

Just suppose you do that in words of one syllable and in a post that doesn't need me to have a shave after I've got through it. This latest effort wanders around in search of a coherent point that nobody can get to the end of it.
Jeez are you Jeffrey Archer? Just suppose) Do you know the meaning of the word "brevity"" Just suppose you tell us exactly what you want, exactly how you propose to do it, exactly how will you judge your efforts. No speculation. Just suppose you tell me what your qualifications are for pushing your views on me. Just suppose you do that in words of one syllable and in a post that doesn't need me to have a shave after I've got through it. This latest effort wanders around in search of a coherent point that nobody can get to the end of it. Number Six
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12:51pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Pork William says...

Josephine Jaillet wrote:
Okay. To all those who think Occupy should just go away, here's the deal: if you're right, screw Occupy, just a bunch of whatever’s, yes? And business as usual, yes? And we just let the bankster psychopaths carry on screwing all of us, right? realitysandwich.com/

psychopathy_financia

l_meltdown

But, what if (just suppose, for minute) you're wrong, and Occupy is right? (For a minuet? Just suppose?) And we don't get another huge financial meltdown, the Euro doesn't evaporate, the Dollar doesn't crash, the West doesn't invade Syria or Iran next, and the £ doesn't hyper inflate, and we don't get huge rises in unemployment, and we don't get house repossessions going through the roof, ('scuse the pun!) and government debt and borrowing doesn't continues to spiral out of control, and the energy giants don't blow half the country side up trying get gas out the ground, and the government doesn't screw down the National Health Service and flog it off as fast as it can to the banksters, ('cause that's who buys everything 'cause they're the ones the government lets print the money and 'lend at interest' back to itself because the government’s too daft to just print it for itself for free pegged to the economy with 0% inflation and abolishing “austerity measures”!), flog it all off to the banksters, via for profit business's that front the scam, and the schools (student loans), and the prisons and the roads don't start to get flogged off bit by bit too, and we don't get people madly stockpiling food in the UK, and we don’t get more people protesting on the streets and outside Parliament like they are today, Yes? You get the picture? Just suppose? Should Occupy, if all this did start to happen as it already is, welcome you (as it does now despite your vitriolic hatred of it)? When its starts to get a bit chaotic? Just a little question? Just suppose? But what if we had a simple solution too all this? And we want to share it with you, 'cause we think its cool? An easy-peazy lemon-squeezy solution? (Just suppose). Wouldn't you want a teeny weenie peek aboo at our crazy simple idea to fix it all up? (Just suppose)? Just to confirm our idea is crazy and we’re all a bunch of screwballs? Just so you can utterly and totally prove that you were right all along? A microgram of curiosity, maybe? PositiveMoney.org.uk Or what about a Debt Jubilee? rt.com/programs/keis

er-report/episode-20

5-max-keiser/
Anything, just ANYTHING that 'Brussels' Lucas has to do with is got to be a bad deal for 99% of Brightons population (the other 1% being the gypsies, squatters and illegal immigrants that she obsesses over...)
[quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: Okay. To all those who think Occupy should just go away, here's the deal: if you're right, screw Occupy, just a bunch of whatever’s, yes? And business as usual, yes? And we just let the bankster psychopaths carry on screwing all of us, right? realitysandwich.com/ psychopathy_financia l_meltdown But, what if (just suppose, for minute) you're wrong, and Occupy is right? (For a minuet? Just suppose?) And we don't get another huge financial meltdown, the Euro doesn't evaporate, the Dollar doesn't crash, the West doesn't invade Syria or Iran next, and the £ doesn't hyper inflate, and we don't get huge rises in unemployment, and we don't get house repossessions going through the roof, ('scuse the pun!) and government debt and borrowing doesn't continues to spiral out of control, and the energy giants don't blow half the country side up trying get gas out the ground, and the government doesn't screw down the National Health Service and flog it off as fast as it can to the banksters, ('cause that's who buys everything 'cause they're the ones the government lets print the money and 'lend at interest' back to itself because the government’s too daft to just print it for itself for free pegged to the economy with 0% inflation and abolishing “austerity measures”!), flog it all off to the banksters, via for profit business's that front the scam, and the schools (student loans), and the prisons and the roads don't start to get flogged off bit by bit too, and we don't get people madly stockpiling food in the UK, and we don’t get more people protesting on the streets and outside Parliament like they are today, Yes? You get the picture? Just suppose? Should Occupy, if all this did start to happen as it already is, welcome you (as it does now despite your vitriolic hatred of it)? When its starts to get a bit chaotic? Just a little question? Just suppose? But what if we had a simple solution too all this? And we want to share it with you, 'cause we think its cool? An easy-peazy lemon-squeezy solution? (Just suppose). Wouldn't you want a teeny weenie peek aboo at our crazy simple idea to fix it all up? (Just suppose)? Just to confirm our idea is crazy and we’re all a bunch of screwballs? Just so you can utterly and totally prove that you were right all along? A microgram of curiosity, maybe? PositiveMoney.org.uk Or what about a Debt Jubilee? rt.com/programs/keis er-report/episode-20 5-max-keiser/[/p][/quote]Anything, just ANYTHING that 'Brussels' Lucas has to do with is got to be a bad deal for 99% of Brightons population (the other 1% being the gypsies, squatters and illegal immigrants that she obsesses over...) Pork William
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1:08pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Pork William says...

Number Six wrote:
Jeez are you Jeffrey Archer? Just suppose) Do you know the meaning of the word "brevity""

Just suppose you tell us exactly what you want, exactly how you propose to do it, exactly how will you judge your efforts. No speculation.

Just suppose you tell me what your qualifications are for pushing your views on me.

Just suppose you do that in words of one syllable and in a post that doesn't need me to have a shave after I've got through it. This latest effort wanders around in search of a coherent point that nobody can get to the end of it.
Excellent point, well put!
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: Jeez are you Jeffrey Archer? Just suppose) Do you know the meaning of the word "brevity"" Just suppose you tell us exactly what you want, exactly how you propose to do it, exactly how will you judge your efforts. No speculation. Just suppose you tell me what your qualifications are for pushing your views on me. Just suppose you do that in words of one syllable and in a post that doesn't need me to have a shave after I've got through it. This latest effort wanders around in search of a coherent point that nobody can get to the end of it.[/p][/quote]Excellent point, well put! Pork William
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2:04pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

http://dl.dropbox.co
m/u/25923371/Money%2
C%20Money%2C%20Money
...%20its%20a%20BANK
STERS%20world.pdf
http://dl.dropbox.co m/u/25923371/Money%2 C%20Money%2C%20Money ...%20its%20a%20BANK STERS%20world.pdf Josephine Jaillet
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2:09pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

Come on folks, be fair, I've already made my point and given you the solution I advocate above in my first post at 10:17pm on Thu 3 Nov 11. If you can't be bothered to read it, what am I supposed to do? And again why attack me the messenger? If you want an authority to tell you what to think and believe then I have given you links to them. Attack them because its their ideas I am offering to you. And please just settle down and do some reading before you scream at me again? Thanks. With respect.
Come on folks, be fair, I've already made my point and given you the solution I advocate above in my first post at 10:17pm on Thu 3 Nov 11. If you can't be bothered to read it, what am I supposed to do? And again why attack me the messenger? If you want an authority to tell you what to think and believe then I have given you links to them. Attack them because its their ideas I am offering to you. And please just settle down and do some reading before you scream at me again? Thanks. With respect. Josephine Jaillet
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4:32pm Sat 5 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

Bladesboy Returns wrote:
Josephine Jaillet wrote:
Come on folks, be fair, I've already made my point and given you the solution I advocate above in my first post at 10:17pm on Thu 3 Nov 11. If you can't be bothered to read it, what am I supposed to do? And again why attack me the messenger? If you want an authority to tell you what to think and believe then I have given you links to them. Attack them because its their ideas I am offering to you. And please just settle down and do some reading before you scream at me again? Thanks. With respect.
I do not have the first idea what you guys are actually attempting to achieve. If I did I might be supportive and help you turn your movement into a campaign. As it is your thoughts represent a bowel movement.

Wake up and smell the coffee and clarify your objectives please.
I don't see why anyone would waste their time on this site trying to explain things to you. Any attempt at reasoned debate is met with insults. These insults aren't even very good or original but, of course, they drag you in and next thing you know the arguments are lost in noise.

I think most people probably have "woken up and smelt the coffee" to use your curious verbal tic and realised that time arguing with morons on this site is time wasted. I have! Lesson learned.

I would suggest to sensible and intelligent people that they should not bother arguing on here but instead use their time discussing these issues on decent fora and at the camps with people who have the capacity to at least form a reasoned argument whether they agree or not.

And thank you to those people at the camp and on the Internet who did engage me in sensible discussion and convinced me that these protests around the world are something of real significance.
[quote][p][bold]Bladesboy Returns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: Come on folks, be fair, I've already made my point and given you the solution I advocate above in my first post at 10:17pm on Thu 3 Nov 11. If you can't be bothered to read it, what am I supposed to do? And again why attack me the messenger? If you want an authority to tell you what to think and believe then I have given you links to them. Attack them because its their ideas I am offering to you. And please just settle down and do some reading before you scream at me again? Thanks. With respect.[/p][/quote]I do not have the first idea what you guys are actually attempting to achieve. If I did I might be supportive and help you turn your movement into a campaign. As it is your thoughts represent a bowel movement. Wake up and smell the coffee and clarify your objectives please.[/p][/quote]I don't see why anyone would waste their time on this site trying to explain things to you. Any attempt at reasoned debate is met with insults. These insults aren't even very good or original but, of course, they drag you in and next thing you know the arguments are lost in noise. I think most people probably have "woken up and smelt the coffee" to use your curious verbal tic and realised that time arguing with morons on this site is time wasted. I have! Lesson learned. I would suggest to sensible and intelligent people that they should not bother arguing on here but instead use their time discussing these issues on decent fora and at the camps with people who have the capacity to at least form a reasoned argument whether they agree or not. And thank you to those people at the camp and on the Internet who did engage me in sensible discussion and convinced me that these protests around the world are something of real significance. ignoranceisnotbliss
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7:19pm Sat 5 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

Laugh away Bladesboy it doesn't take much to amuse you. You are clearly an idiotic moron and you see your own intellectual failings and total inability to see outside your limited scope as a failure of others.

One could spend a lifetime clarifying one's beliefs on here only for you to turn around and make another lavatory joke. I've just checked a few of your idiotic comments on other threads - you really do say the coffee thing a lot and you don't seem to have any real opinions or at least none you can articulate.

I repeat you are a moron and I think it is you who is being laughed at and you probably have been laughed at most of your life. So laugh away idiot boy.

Have a good life in the tiny pond you call your world.
Laugh away Bladesboy it doesn't take much to amuse you. You are clearly an idiotic moron and you see your own intellectual failings and total inability to see outside your limited scope as a failure of others. One could spend a lifetime clarifying one's beliefs on here only for you to turn around and make another lavatory joke. I've just checked a few of your idiotic comments on other threads - you really do say the coffee thing a lot and you don't seem to have any real opinions or at least none you can articulate. I repeat you are a moron and I think it is you who is being laughed at and you probably have been laughed at most of your life. So laugh away idiot boy. Have a good life in the tiny pond you call your world. ignoranceisnotbliss
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9:17pm Sat 5 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

Remove interest on the money supply. SIMPLE. That is all. The ONLY demand. This is because Money is Created by Private Banks for Profit as ‘Promise Certificates’ at Interest But the Interest can NEVER be Paid because the Interest isn’t Created with the Original Certificate!

A Titanic “Ponzi” FRAUD is Sinking the Global Economy whilst everyone else is Hypnotised Rearranging the Economic Deck Chairs !

This is my last post. Good bye.
Remove interest on the money supply. SIMPLE. That is all. The ONLY demand. This is because Money is Created by Private Banks for Profit as ‘Promise Certificates’ at Interest But the Interest can NEVER be Paid because the Interest isn’t Created with the Original Certificate! A Titanic “Ponzi” FRAUD is Sinking the Global Economy whilst everyone else is Hypnotised Rearranging the Economic Deck Chairs ! This is my last post. Good bye. Josephine Jaillet
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6:46am Sun 6 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

Josephine Jaillet wrote:
Remove interest on the money supply. SIMPLE. That is all. The ONLY demand. This is because Money is Created by Private Banks for Profit as ‘Promise Certificates’ at Interest But the Interest can NEVER be Paid because the Interest isn’t Created with the Original Certificate!

A Titanic “Ponzi” FRAUD is Sinking the Global Economy whilst everyone else is Hypnotised Rearranging the Economic Deck Chairs !

This is my last post. Good bye.
If it really is your last post then I suspect the world has already become a better place.

Laugh out loud you waster

Wake up and smell the coffee
[quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: Remove interest on the money supply. SIMPLE. That is all. The ONLY demand. This is because Money is Created by Private Banks for Profit as ‘Promise Certificates’ at Interest But the Interest can NEVER be Paid because the Interest isn’t Created with the Original Certificate! A Titanic “Ponzi” FRAUD is Sinking the Global Economy whilst everyone else is Hypnotised Rearranging the Economic Deck Chairs ! This is my last post. Good bye.[/p][/quote]If it really is your last post then I suspect the world has already become a better place. Laugh out loud you waster Wake up and smell the coffee Bladesboy Returns
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11:34am Sun 6 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

@Josephine. You've shown great patience with the idiots on here trying to put forward intelligent solutions for discussion. But alas any attempts at sensible discussion are met with insults based on no evidence whatsoever about the protesters, their beliefs and their backgrounds. No real counter-arguments.

The stupid "Bladesboy" epitomises the low level of real debate on this forum acting like a stupid boy at the back of a disrupted class.
@Josephine. You've shown great patience with the idiots on here trying to put forward intelligent solutions for discussion. But alas any attempts at sensible discussion are met with insults based on no evidence whatsoever about the protesters, their beliefs and their backgrounds. No real counter-arguments. The stupid "Bladesboy" epitomises the low level of real debate on this forum acting like a stupid boy at the back of a disrupted class. ignoranceisnotbliss
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11:38am Sun 6 Nov 11

Number Six says...

Josephine Jaillet wrote:
Remove interest on the money supply. SIMPLE. That is all. The ONLY demand. This is because Money is Created by Private Banks for Profit as ‘Promise Certificates’ at Interest But the Interest can NEVER be Paid because the Interest isn’t Created with the Original Certificate! A Titanic “Ponzi” FRAUD is Sinking the Global Economy whilst everyone else is Hypnotised Rearranging the Economic Deck Chairs ! This is my last post. Good bye.
If you don't have interest you don't have lending. If you want me to lend you money then there has to be something in it for me, otherwise I might as well spend the money on a new car.

Perhaps you could explain to us all how your statement that private banks create money reconciles with the Bank of England - most certainly not a private company - fixing interest rates.

Please also provide clear and incontrovertable proof about your Ponxi fraud
[quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: Remove interest on the money supply. SIMPLE. That is all. The ONLY demand. This is because Money is Created by Private Banks for Profit as ‘Promise Certificates’ at Interest But the Interest can NEVER be Paid because the Interest isn’t Created with the Original Certificate! A Titanic “Ponzi” FRAUD is Sinking the Global Economy whilst everyone else is Hypnotised Rearranging the Economic Deck Chairs ! This is my last post. Good bye.[/p][/quote]If you don't have interest you don't have lending. If you want me to lend you money then there has to be something in it for me, otherwise I might as well spend the money on a new car. Perhaps you could explain to us all how your statement that private banks create money reconciles with the Bank of England - most certainly not a private company - fixing interest rates. Please also provide clear and incontrovertable proof about your Ponxi fraud Number Six
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11:53am Sun 6 Nov 11

Number Six says...

ignoranceisnotbliss wrote:
@Josephine. You've shown great patience with the idiots on here trying to put forward intelligent solutions for discussion. But alas any attempts at sensible discussion are met with insults based on no evidence whatsoever about the protesters, their beliefs and their backgrounds. No real counter-arguments. The stupid "Bladesboy" epitomises the low level of real debate on this forum acting like a stupid boy at the back of a disrupted class.
You don't think that complaining about insults ( I don't disagree with you on that BTW) and then calling someone stupid isn't howling hypocrisy of the first magnitude?

I tend to agree with Bladesboy that there is a lack of clear, concise information about exactly what the protestors what and precisely how they think it should be achieved. As I've said before, if you want to pull something down I want to see at least the plans of what you intend to put in its place. Sadly, I find Josephine's posts far too verbose, long-winded and meandering to wade through. If an MP wants my vote he must be able to answer my questions immediately. If a Jehovah's Witness rings my bell he as to be able to quote chapter and verse, not tell me to look it up in the bible myself.

I do not however share Bladesboy's fascination with bowel movement (doubtless Freud would have something to say about that) nor do I see what he keeps using tired, out of date American cliches. Unless of course he is a tired, out of date American
[quote][p][bold]ignoranceisnotbliss[/bold] wrote: @Josephine. You've shown great patience with the idiots on here trying to put forward intelligent solutions for discussion. But alas any attempts at sensible discussion are met with insults based on no evidence whatsoever about the protesters, their beliefs and their backgrounds. No real counter-arguments. The stupid "Bladesboy" epitomises the low level of real debate on this forum acting like a stupid boy at the back of a disrupted class.[/p][/quote]You don't think that complaining about insults ( I don't disagree with you on that BTW) and then calling someone stupid isn't howling hypocrisy of the first magnitude? I tend to agree with Bladesboy that there is a lack of clear, concise information about exactly what the protestors what and precisely how they think it should be achieved. As I've said before, if you want to pull something down I want to see at least the plans of what you intend to put in its place. Sadly, I find Josephine's posts far too verbose, long-winded and meandering to wade through. If an MP wants my vote he must be able to answer my questions immediately. If a Jehovah's Witness rings my bell he as to be able to quote chapter and verse, not tell me to look it up in the bible myself. I do not however share Bladesboy's fascination with bowel movement (doubtless Freud would have something to say about that) nor do I see what he keeps using tired, out of date American cliches. Unless of course he is a tired, out of date American Number Six
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12:07pm Sun 6 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

The grown-ups return!

Shouldn't money be dished out for public good rather than solely for monetary gain of a minority of people as increasingly seems to be the case. Yes it's true that side-effects of the current financial systems can sometimes appear to benefit the public/consumer (whilst enslaving others of course) but this (IMHO) appears to have run its course or at least be in its final years.

But hopefully Josephine will answer herself if she hasn't given up due to the childish Bladesboy.
The grown-ups return! Shouldn't money be dished out for public good rather than solely for monetary gain of a minority of people as increasingly seems to be the case. Yes it's true that side-effects of the current financial systems can sometimes appear to benefit the public/consumer (whilst enslaving others of course) but this (IMHO) appears to have run its course or at least be in its final years. But hopefully Josephine will answer herself if she hasn't given up due to the childish Bladesboy. ignoranceisnotbliss
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12:13pm Sun 6 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

Number Six wrote:
ignoranceisnotbliss wrote:
@Josephine. You've shown great patience with the idiots on here trying to put forward intelligent solutions for discussion. But alas any attempts at sensible discussion are met with insults based on no evidence whatsoever about the protesters, their beliefs and their backgrounds. No real counter-arguments. The stupid "Bladesboy" epitomises the low level of real debate on this forum acting like a stupid boy at the back of a disrupted class.
You don't think that complaining about insults ( I don't disagree with you on that BTW) and then calling someone stupid isn't howling hypocrisy of the first magnitude?

I tend to agree with Bladesboy that there is a lack of clear, concise information about exactly what the protestors what and precisely how they think it should be achieved. As I've said before, if you want to pull something down I want to see at least the plans of what you intend to put in its place. Sadly, I find Josephine's posts far too verbose, long-winded and meandering to wade through. If an MP wants my vote he must be able to answer my questions immediately. If a Jehovah's Witness rings my bell he as to be able to quote chapter and verse, not tell me to look it up in the bible myself.

I do not however share Bladesboy's fascination with bowel movement (doubtless Freud would have something to say about that) nor do I see what he keeps using tired, out of date American cliches. Unless of course he is a tired, out of date American
"You don't think that complaining about insults ( I don't disagree with you on that BTW) and then calling someone stupid isn't howling hypocrisy of the first magnitude? "

Well I'm afraid it's almost impossible not to counter insults with insults. You yourself go on to insult him in your post so hopefully you will understand my frustration.
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ignoranceisnotbliss[/bold] wrote: @Josephine. You've shown great patience with the idiots on here trying to put forward intelligent solutions for discussion. But alas any attempts at sensible discussion are met with insults based on no evidence whatsoever about the protesters, their beliefs and their backgrounds. No real counter-arguments. The stupid "Bladesboy" epitomises the low level of real debate on this forum acting like a stupid boy at the back of a disrupted class.[/p][/quote]You don't think that complaining about insults ( I don't disagree with you on that BTW) and then calling someone stupid isn't howling hypocrisy of the first magnitude? I tend to agree with Bladesboy that there is a lack of clear, concise information about exactly what the protestors what and precisely how they think it should be achieved. As I've said before, if you want to pull something down I want to see at least the plans of what you intend to put in its place. Sadly, I find Josephine's posts far too verbose, long-winded and meandering to wade through. If an MP wants my vote he must be able to answer my questions immediately. If a Jehovah's Witness rings my bell he as to be able to quote chapter and verse, not tell me to look it up in the bible myself. I do not however share Bladesboy's fascination with bowel movement (doubtless Freud would have something to say about that) nor do I see what he keeps using tired, out of date American cliches. Unless of course he is a tired, out of date American[/p][/quote]"You don't think that complaining about insults ( I don't disagree with you on that BTW) and then calling someone stupid isn't howling hypocrisy of the first magnitude? " Well I'm afraid it's almost impossible not to counter insults with insults. You yourself go on to insult him in your post so hopefully you will understand my frustration. ignoranceisnotbliss
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12:37pm Sun 6 Nov 11

ignoranceisnotbliss says...

Number six: "As I've said before, if you want to pull something down I want to see at least the plans of what you intend to put in its place."

That's a fair point but I think that's the difference between a movement and a campaign (that's going to get Bladesboy going again). What's happening is a worldwide expression of discontent with the current financial system. There are no single solutions being advocated as yet no more than there were in the Arab Spring. They knew what they didn't want, got rid of it (or at least think they did) and now the difficult bit begins.

It is probably the case that external events will impact on us all and shape what the movement becomes (the collapse of the Euro, peak-oil, battles for limited resources with China, war in Iran and the Middle East) but whatever happens this is about more than just a few people camping out in Brighton.
Number six: "As I've said before, if you want to pull something down I want to see at least the plans of what you intend to put in its place." That's a fair point but I think that's the difference between a movement and a campaign (that's going to get Bladesboy going again). What's happening is a worldwide expression of discontent with the current financial system. There are no single solutions being advocated as yet no more than there were in the Arab Spring. They knew what they didn't want, got rid of it (or at least think they did) and now the difficult bit begins. It is probably the case that external events will impact on us all and shape what the movement becomes (the collapse of the Euro, peak-oil, battles for limited resources with China, war in Iran and the Middle East) but whatever happens this is about more than just a few people camping out in Brighton. ignoranceisnotbliss
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12:53pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Number Six says...

I'm always very careful to avoid insults. Not because I'm a nice guy but because they are irrelevant and muddy the waters. I've only said the I don't understand Bladesboy. Josephine called the bankers psychopaths. That not just an insult, that's actionable. I don't think that such intemperant language does much for debate.

I certainly agree with your last point (though I'm not ready to call the Euro a collapse just yet) but I think a better analogy is Iraq, rather than the Arab spring. In Libya for example there was a massive popular will for change and a transitionary body waiting to step in. In Iraq there was absolutely no idea about what to do after Saddam had been ousted and look at what happened there.

Must dash, I can smell the bacon. No pun intended!
I'm always very careful to avoid insults. Not because I'm a nice guy but because they are irrelevant and muddy the waters. I've only said the I don't understand Bladesboy. Josephine called the bankers psychopaths. That not just an insult, that's actionable. I don't think that such intemperant language does much for debate. I certainly agree with your last point (though I'm not ready to call the Euro a collapse just yet) but I think a better analogy is Iraq, rather than the Arab spring. In Libya for example there was a massive popular will for change and a transitionary body waiting to step in. In Iraq there was absolutely no idea about what to do after Saddam had been ousted and look at what happened there. Must dash, I can smell the bacon. No pun intended! Number Six
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5:17pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

Number Six wrote:
I'm always very careful to avoid insults. Not because I'm a nice guy but because they are irrelevant and muddy the waters. I've only said the I don't understand Bladesboy. Josephine called the bankers psychopaths. That not just an insult, that's actionable. I don't think that such intemperant language does much for debate.

I certainly agree with your last point (though I'm not ready to call the Euro a collapse just yet) but I think a better analogy is Iraq, rather than the Arab spring. In Libya for example there was a massive popular will for change and a transitionary body waiting to step in. In Iraq there was absolutely no idea about what to do after Saddam had been ousted and look at what happened there.

Must dash, I can smell the bacon. No pun intended!
Well, given how vocal some of the posters on this site have been and in line with the many comments in the earlier parts of this thread, I decided to check it all out myself.

I have to say that reality is very different to the perception created by the campaigners and those against.

As I approached the camp I expected to be proactively approached by the campaigners, who i had imagined would engage me in debate.......but no.

As I walked past a few minutes later and this was circa 2pm, I again imagined that given the passion expressed by the group, someone would button hole me for a chat........but no.

Instead the group - apologies if I am over selling anyone - seemed more interested in drinking alcohol and communicating within.

My perception was that the group comprised ugly and obese women and unwashed, unshaven men.

No one attempted to engage with me at any time.

So here's the question. Would you place your trust in a group that can't even look after themselves can't articulate their aims, don't communicate and drink alcohol during the day?

Thought not!
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: I'm always very careful to avoid insults. Not because I'm a nice guy but because they are irrelevant and muddy the waters. I've only said the I don't understand Bladesboy. Josephine called the bankers psychopaths. That not just an insult, that's actionable. I don't think that such intemperant language does much for debate. I certainly agree with your last point (though I'm not ready to call the Euro a collapse just yet) but I think a better analogy is Iraq, rather than the Arab spring. In Libya for example there was a massive popular will for change and a transitionary body waiting to step in. In Iraq there was absolutely no idea about what to do after Saddam had been ousted and look at what happened there. Must dash, I can smell the bacon. No pun intended![/p][/quote]Well, given how vocal some of the posters on this site have been and in line with the many comments in the earlier parts of this thread, I decided to check it all out myself. I have to say that reality is very different to the perception created by the campaigners and those against. As I approached the camp I expected to be proactively approached by the campaigners, who i had imagined would engage me in debate.......but no. As I walked past a few minutes later and this was circa 2pm, I again imagined that given the passion expressed by the group, someone would button hole me for a chat........but no. Instead the group - apologies if I am over selling anyone - seemed more interested in drinking alcohol and communicating within. My perception was that the group comprised ugly and obese women and unwashed, unshaven men. No one attempted to engage with me at any time. So here's the question. Would you place your trust in a group that can't even look after themselves can't articulate their aims, don't communicate and drink alcohol during the day? Thought not! Bladesboy Returns
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5:49pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

ignoranceisnotbliss wrote:
Number six: "As I've said before, if you want to pull something down I want to see at least the plans of what you intend to put in its place."

That's a fair point but I think that's the difference between a movement and a campaign (that's going to get Bladesboy going again). What's happening is a worldwide expression of discontent with the current financial system. There are no single solutions being advocated as yet no more than there were in the Arab Spring. They knew what they didn't want, got rid of it (or at least think they did) and now the difficult bit begins.

It is probably the case that external events will impact on us all and shape what the movement becomes (the collapse of the Euro, peak-oil, battles for limited resources with China, war in Iran and the Middle East) but whatever happens this is about more than just a few people camping out in Brighton.
For 'a few people' read obese, unwashed ugly, drunk miscreants......perh
aps?
[quote][p][bold]ignoranceisnotbliss[/bold] wrote: Number six: "As I've said before, if you want to pull something down I want to see at least the plans of what you intend to put in its place." That's a fair point but I think that's the difference between a movement and a campaign (that's going to get Bladesboy going again). What's happening is a worldwide expression of discontent with the current financial system. There are no single solutions being advocated as yet no more than there were in the Arab Spring. They knew what they didn't want, got rid of it (or at least think they did) and now the difficult bit begins. It is probably the case that external events will impact on us all and shape what the movement becomes (the collapse of the Euro, peak-oil, battles for limited resources with China, war in Iran and the Middle East) but whatever happens this is about more than just a few people camping out in Brighton.[/p][/quote]For 'a few people' read obese, unwashed ugly, drunk miscreants......perh aps? Bladesboy Returns
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7:16pm Sun 6 Nov 11

Number Six says...

Were you able to get any coffee?
Were you able to get any coffee? Number Six
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5:42am Mon 7 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

Number Six wrote:
Were you able to get any coffee?
No coffee, no engagement, all activities internalised and I suspect fueled by alcohol etc.
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: Were you able to get any coffee?[/p][/quote]No coffee, no engagement, all activities internalised and I suspect fueled by alcohol etc. Bladesboy Returns
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8:21am Mon 7 Nov 11

Joshiman says...

whereisthe...? wrote:
Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...)


Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change!
What support? only you?
[quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: Good on them! You have a lot of support, despite the moronic comments made on here (ironically by those who don't seem to have jobs...) Good to see some people getting up and actually doing something for a change![/p][/quote]What support? only you? Joshiman
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11:27am Mon 7 Nov 11

diriky says...

Well as a well travelled hard working man I support them ! If you listen to what is being said rather than what your perception of them is! then perhaps you will understand Bladesboy "Boy being the operative part that seems to sum you up!!!!!
Well as a well travelled hard working man I support them ! If you listen to what is being said rather than what your perception of them is! then perhaps you will understand Bladesboy "Boy being the operative part that seems to sum you up!!!!! diriky
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3:27pm Mon 7 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

@ignoranceisnotbliss and others that are curious, thank you for asking :-) Yes money should be a pubic utility. @Number Six no the proposal does not abolish interest in the economy just at the point of money creation itself. The “Ponzi scheme” private money creation system we have now is both astonishingly simple and shocking to realise. Charging interest on money creation is a “Ponzi” scheme according to many such as Douglass Carswell MP in parliament recently (Google for numerous references).

Happily many intelligent people are publishing cutting edge academic research into the banking sector that reveals the Ponzi scheme. In particular, how money is created. They confirm what the central banks themselves say that 97% of it is created by private banks for profit as ‘promise certificates’ (e.g. a mortgage contract or credit card etc…) at interest. Money is a store of value and a means of transaction. Interest is okay else where in the economy, and on money once it is created without interest like coin & note are. A Ponzi scheme is designed to be hidden so as to deceive (fraud) and to spiral out of control. This is how it generates a profit that is extracted by those at the top of the pyramid (bankers). We are ignorant of the Ponzi scheme because bank’s deceive us into thinking they make ‘loans’. This is false for 97% of money. 3% of money is created as note & coin without interest by government and freely spent into the economy pegged to economic activity.

Imagine a bucket full of water (money supply in the economy) that has a leak (interest to the banks). Money is constantly being added i.e. created (new ‘promise certificates’ signed by business, people and government borrowing) and money is constantly being scooped out (paying off the promise notes. Money must be destroyed when its paid back because the ‘promise certificate’ that created it has less and less money remaining on it that you promised to pay back as time goes on).

Solution: 1) Governments legislate to create 100% of the money supply without interest, just a they do with the 3% coin & note 2) Abolish interest on the bank’s ‘promise certificates’. 3) A new independent non-government non-bank publicly accountable regulator is created that controls how much new money government can create. 4) This new money is deposited in new loan accounts opened by new customers & business. The banks simply do a one off credit check with a one off fee as they do now added to the account with new money. 5) This new money can safely be ‘rented’ out once its circulating in the economy (bucket) because the rental charge (interest) is a service that is true economic activity (a service) that is not siphoned out of the economy (the leak) it just sloshes around the economy (bucket).

“Sadly, I find Josephine's posts far too verbose, long-winded and meandering to wade through.”
You must put effort into understanding things, sorry but that’s how the world is. I gave the short version in my previous post and a quick and easy version in my original post here and again I have tried in this post.

“Josephine called the bankers psychopaths.” Google it and you will discover that in finance, banking and corporation board rooms there is circa four time the incidence of “psychopathy” than in the general population.

Please first read the links I give on this, then ask questions? I am happy to try to answer but will ignore insults.

http://www.neweconom
ics.org/blog/2011/09
/29/why-an-understan
ding-of-money-creati
on-is-essential-to-f
inancial-reform
http://www.PositiveM
oney.org.uk
http://dl.dropbox.co
m/u/25923371/Money%2
C%20Money%2C%20Money
...%20its%20a%20BANK
STERS%20world.pdf

With respect.
@ignoranceisnotbliss and others that are curious, thank you for asking :-) Yes money should be a pubic utility. @Number Six no the proposal does not abolish interest in the economy just at the point of money creation itself. The “Ponzi scheme” private money creation system we have now is both astonishingly simple and shocking to realise. Charging interest on money creation is a “Ponzi” scheme according to many such as Douglass Carswell MP in parliament recently (Google for numerous references). Happily many intelligent people are publishing cutting edge academic research into the banking sector that reveals the Ponzi scheme. In particular, how money is created. They confirm what the central banks themselves say that 97% of it is created by private banks for profit as ‘promise certificates’ (e.g. a mortgage contract or credit card etc…) at interest. Money is a store of value and a means of transaction. Interest is okay else where in the economy, and on money once it is created without interest like coin & note are. A Ponzi scheme is designed to be hidden so as to deceive (fraud) and to spiral out of control. This is how it generates a profit that is extracted by those at the top of the pyramid (bankers). We are ignorant of the Ponzi scheme because bank’s deceive us into thinking they make ‘loans’. This is false for 97% of money. 3% of money is created as note & coin without interest by government and freely spent into the economy pegged to economic activity. Imagine a bucket full of water (money supply in the economy) that has a leak (interest to the banks). Money is constantly being added i.e. created (new ‘promise certificates’ signed by business, people and government borrowing) and money is constantly being scooped out (paying off the promise notes. Money must be destroyed when its paid back because the ‘promise certificate’ that created it has less and less money remaining on it that you promised to pay back as time goes on). Solution: 1) Governments legislate to create 100% of the money supply without interest, just a they do with the 3% coin & note 2) Abolish interest on the bank’s ‘promise certificates’. 3) A new independent non-government non-bank publicly accountable regulator is created that controls how much new money government can create. 4) This new money is deposited in new loan accounts opened by new customers & business. The banks simply do a one off credit check with a one off fee as they do now added to the account with new money. 5) This new money can safely be ‘rented’ out once its circulating in the economy (bucket) because the rental charge (interest) is a service that is true economic activity (a service) that is not siphoned out of the economy (the leak) it just sloshes around the economy (bucket). “Sadly, I find Josephine's posts far too verbose, long-winded and meandering to wade through.” You must put effort into understanding things, sorry but that’s how the world is. I gave the short version in my previous post and a quick and easy version in my original post here and again I have tried in this post. “Josephine called the bankers psychopaths.” Google it and you will discover that in finance, banking and corporation board rooms there is circa four time the incidence of “psychopathy” than in the general population. Please first read the links I give on this, then ask questions? I am happy to try to answer but will ignore insults. http://www.neweconom ics.org/blog/2011/09 /29/why-an-understan ding-of-money-creati on-is-essential-to-f inancial-reform http://www.PositiveM oney.org.uk http://dl.dropbox.co m/u/25923371/Money%2 C%20Money%2C%20Money ...%20its%20a%20BANK STERS%20world.pdf With respect. Josephine Jaillet
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6:42pm Mon 7 Nov 11

Number Six says...

"You must put effort into understanding things, sorry but that’s how the world is" Must I. indeed. Thanks teacher.

Ah! The delicious irony of being patronised by Josephine. I am only a humble accountant. I defer to your economics degree.

As my niece's lecturer said:"Google is no substitute for research"
"You must put effort into understanding things, sorry but that’s how the world is" Must I. indeed. Thanks teacher. Ah! The delicious irony of being patronised by Josephine. I am only a humble accountant. I defer to your economics degree. As my niece's lecturer said:"Google is no substitute for research" Number Six
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8:37pm Mon 7 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

diriky wrote:
Well as a well travelled hard working man I support them ! If you listen to what is being said rather than what your perception of them is! then perhaps you will understand Bladesboy "Boy being the operative part that seems to sum you up!!!!!
Well, well, well

Presume you must be linked in some way to one (or maybe more) of the miscreants and therefore your views on this occasion are without worth.

Many thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to add no value whatsoever.

Back in your box now
[quote][p][bold]diriky[/bold] wrote: Well as a well travelled hard working man I support them ! If you listen to what is being said rather than what your perception of them is! then perhaps you will understand Bladesboy "Boy being the operative part that seems to sum you up!!!!![/p][/quote]Well, well, well Presume you must be linked in some way to one (or maybe more) of the miscreants and therefore your views on this occasion are without worth. Many thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to add no value whatsoever. Back in your box now Bladesboy Returns
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8:42pm Mon 7 Nov 11

Bladesboy Returns says...

Josephine Jaillet wrote:
@ignoranceisnotbliss and others that are curious, thank you for asking :-) Yes money should be a pubic utility. @Number Six no the proposal does not abolish interest in the economy just at the point of money creation itself. The “Ponzi scheme” private money creation system we have now is both astonishingly simple and shocking to realise. Charging interest on money creation is a “Ponzi” scheme according to many such as Douglass Carswell MP in parliament recently (Google for numerous references).

Happily many intelligent people are publishing cutting edge academic research into the banking sector that reveals the Ponzi scheme. In particular, how money is created. They confirm what the central banks themselves say that 97% of it is created by private banks for profit as ‘promise certificates’ (e.g. a mortgage contract or credit card etc…) at interest. Money is a store of value and a means of transaction. Interest is okay else where in the economy, and on money once it is created without interest like coin & note are. A Ponzi scheme is designed to be hidden so as to deceive (fraud) and to spiral out of control. This is how it generates a profit that is extracted by those at the top of the pyramid (bankers). We are ignorant of the Ponzi scheme because bank’s deceive us into thinking they make ‘loans’. This is false for 97% of money. 3% of money is created as note & coin without interest by government and freely spent into the economy pegged to economic activity.

Imagine a bucket full of water (money supply in the economy) that has a leak (interest to the banks). Money is constantly being added i.e. created (new ‘promise certificates’ signed by business, people and government borrowing) and money is constantly being scooped out (paying off the promise notes. Money must be destroyed when its paid back because the ‘promise certificate’ that created it has less and less money remaining on it that you promised to pay back as time goes on).

Solution: 1) Governments legislate to create 100% of the money supply without interest, just a they do with the 3% coin & note 2) Abolish interest on the bank’s ‘promise certificates’. 3) A new independent non-government non-bank publicly accountable regulator is created that controls how much new money government can create. 4) This new money is deposited in new loan accounts opened by new customers & business. The banks simply do a one off credit check with a one off fee as they do now added to the account with new money. 5) This new money can safely be ‘rented’ out once its circulating in the economy (bucket) because the rental charge (interest) is a service that is true economic activity (a service) that is not siphoned out of the economy (the leak) it just sloshes around the economy (bucket).

“Sadly, I find Josephine's posts far too verbose, long-winded and meandering to wade through.”
You must put effort into understanding things, sorry but that’s how the world is. I gave the short version in my previous post and a quick and easy version in my original post here and again I have tried in this post.

“Josephine called the bankers psychopaths.” Google it and you will discover that in finance, banking and corporation board rooms there is circa four time the incidence of “psychopathy” than in the general population.

Please first read the links I give on this, then ask questions? I am happy to try to answer but will ignore insults.

http://www.neweconom

ics.org/blog/2011/09

/29/why-an-understan

ding-of-money-creati

on-is-essential-to-f

inancial-reform
http://www.PositiveM

oney.org.uk
http://dl.dropbox.co

m/u/25923371/Money%2

C%20Money%2C%20Money

...%20its%20a%20BANK

STERS%20world.pdf

With respect.
My final suggestion on this one is that you turn your campaign camp into a fitness boot camp and the larger members of your group might wish to drop a few pounds, which will probably assist in the reduction of NHS costs, which in turn will serve to fix at least one small piece of the broken jigsaw.

Wake up and smell the coffee you fat, ugly, unwashed campaigners!

Laugh out loud
[quote][p][bold]Josephine Jaillet[/bold] wrote: @ignoranceisnotbliss and others that are curious, thank you for asking :-) Yes money should be a pubic utility. @Number Six no the proposal does not abolish interest in the economy just at the point of money creation itself. The “Ponzi scheme” private money creation system we have now is both astonishingly simple and shocking to realise. Charging interest on money creation is a “Ponzi” scheme according to many such as Douglass Carswell MP in parliament recently (Google for numerous references). Happily many intelligent people are publishing cutting edge academic research into the banking sector that reveals the Ponzi scheme. In particular, how money is created. They confirm what the central banks themselves say that 97% of it is created by private banks for profit as ‘promise certificates’ (e.g. a mortgage contract or credit card etc…) at interest. Money is a store of value and a means of transaction. Interest is okay else where in the economy, and on money once it is created without interest like coin & note are. A Ponzi scheme is designed to be hidden so as to deceive (fraud) and to spiral out of control. This is how it generates a profit that is extracted by those at the top of the pyramid (bankers). We are ignorant of the Ponzi scheme because bank’s deceive us into thinking they make ‘loans’. This is false for 97% of money. 3% of money is created as note & coin without interest by government and freely spent into the economy pegged to economic activity. Imagine a bucket full of water (money supply in the economy) that has a leak (interest to the banks). Money is constantly being added i.e. created (new ‘promise certificates’ signed by business, people and government borrowing) and money is constantly being scooped out (paying off the promise notes. Money must be destroyed when its paid back because the ‘promise certificate’ that created it has less and less money remaining on it that you promised to pay back as time goes on). Solution: 1) Governments legislate to create 100% of the money supply without interest, just a they do with the 3% coin & note 2) Abolish interest on the bank’s ‘promise certificates’. 3) A new independent non-government non-bank publicly accountable regulator is created that controls how much new money government can create. 4) This new money is deposited in new loan accounts opened by new customers & business. The banks simply do a one off credit check with a one off fee as they do now added to the account with new money. 5) This new money can safely be ‘rented’ out once its circulating in the economy (bucket) because the rental charge (interest) is a service that is true economic activity (a service) that is not siphoned out of the economy (the leak) it just sloshes around the economy (bucket). “Sadly, I find Josephine's posts far too verbose, long-winded and meandering to wade through.” You must put effort into understanding things, sorry but that’s how the world is. I gave the short version in my previous post and a quick and easy version in my original post here and again I have tried in this post. “Josephine called the bankers psychopaths.” Google it and you will discover that in finance, banking and corporation board rooms there is circa four time the incidence of “psychopathy” than in the general population. Please first read the links I give on this, then ask questions? I am happy to try to answer but will ignore insults. http://www.neweconom ics.org/blog/2011/09 /29/why-an-understan ding-of-money-creati on-is-essential-to-f inancial-reform http://www.PositiveM oney.org.uk http://dl.dropbox.co m/u/25923371/Money%2 C%20Money%2C%20Money ...%20its%20a%20BANK STERS%20world.pdf With respect.[/p][/quote]My final suggestion on this one is that you turn your campaign camp into a fitness boot camp and the larger members of your group might wish to drop a few pounds, which will probably assist in the reduction of NHS costs, which in turn will serve to fix at least one small piece of the broken jigsaw. Wake up and smell the coffee you fat, ugly, unwashed campaigners! Laugh out loud Bladesboy Returns
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9:14am Tue 8 Nov 11

Josephine Jaillet says...

@Number Six, Thank you for your complement: I attend the ‘university’ of Google for my “economics degree” so you nullify your niece's point! “Poor craftsmen blame their tools”
http://www.overloads
tories.com/2011/08/p
oor-craftsmen/
…and chose the 'the right tool for the job.'
http://programmingto
ur.blogspot.com/2010
/03/blaming-your-too
ls.html
@Number Six, Thank you for your complement: I attend the ‘university’ of Google for my “economics degree” so you nullify your niece's point! “Poor craftsmen blame their tools” http://www.overloads tories.com/2011/08/p oor-craftsmen/ …and chose the 'the right tool for the job.' http://programmingto ur.blogspot.com/2010 /03/blaming-your-too ls.html Josephine Jaillet
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8:56am Wed 9 Nov 11

CookPassBabtridge says...

Protesters in western society today represent little more than a bullying minority who feel the need to inflict their opinions on everyone purely by being the ones shouting the loudest.

We have seen this year true bravery in Arabic and African countries, where citizens have protested for change as they have no other choice - democracy there is rarely as fair and true as we have in this country - and these people deserve credit and admiration for putting their lives on the line for something in which they believe.

Here in the UK, we have a perfectly functioning democratic process that allows anyone, regardless of their views, the opportunity to enter the political process and stand for election if they can win enough support. Surely, if the "anti-capitalist" movement has genuine popular support the answer is to form a new political party, or work with an existing one, to campaigne for change based on what they believe. They wouldn't even need to win any seats or overall control, but a reasonable show of support would force the others to takes their views seriously (look how many parties have adopted Environmentally targeted policies based on the growing support that the Green party had).
Obviously, the reality is that this movement has very little support in the grand scheme of things (odd, considering this is a movement purportedly aimed at a better deal for the majority, but anyway...), so fighting a fair fight doesn't work. As with many other minority protest movements, they gain leverage by making more noise than anyone else, deluded in the belief that they represent the masses when, in fact, most of them have only their own interests at heart.
Protesters in western society today represent little more than a bullying minority who feel the need to inflict their opinions on everyone purely by being the ones shouting the loudest. We have seen this year true bravery in Arabic and African countries, where citizens have protested for change as they have no other choice - democracy there is rarely as fair and true as we have in this country - and these people deserve credit and admiration for putting their lives on the line for something in which they believe. Here in the UK, we have a perfectly functioning democratic process that allows anyone, regardless of their views, the opportunity to enter the political process and stand for election if they can win enough support. Surely, if the "anti-capitalist" movement has genuine popular support the answer is to form a new political party, or work with an existing one, to campaigne for change based on what they believe. They wouldn't even need to win any seats or overall control, but a reasonable show of support would force the others to takes their views seriously (look how many parties have adopted Environmentally targeted policies based on the growing support that the Green party had). Obviously, the reality is that this movement has very little support in the grand scheme of things (odd, considering this is a movement purportedly aimed at a better deal for the majority, but anyway...), so fighting a fair fight doesn't work. As with many other minority protest movements, they gain leverage by making more noise than anyone else, deluded in the belief that they represent the masses when, in fact, most of them have only their own interests at heart. CookPassBabtridge
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