Brighton and Hove parking charges going up – again (From The Argus)
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Brighton and Hove parking charges going up – again
1:00pm Tuesday 8th November 2011 in News Exclusive By Tim Ridgway
Parking fees across the city to go up again
Shoppers are set for a hike in parking charges – with some areas seeing increases of more than 100%.
The Argus can exclusively reveal that Brighton and Hove City Council has drawn up revised tariffs, including the introduction of a weekend rate at its city centre car parks, as a way of raising money.
It would result in motorists at one car park paying up to £15 for four hours on a Saturday or Sunday – up from the current £9.50.
The proposed charges were leaked by an anonymous source, who described the move as a “ridiculous, greedy tactic”.
The Green-led local authority said any increases – which have yet to be finalised – would improve sustainable transport use while lowering carbon emissions and improving air quality.
But critics have described the plans as a "body blow", ading it would be a "congestion charge by stealth".
Papers seen by The Argus, to be discussed by the council later this month, map out plans for the 2012/13 financial year.
Transport cabinet member Ian Davey said: "Parking charges are reviewed every year and generally some charges have been raised year on year to reflect the need to manage parking in order to reduce congestion and improve traffic flow."
Conservative group leader Geoffrey Theobald said: "In these tough times of economic turmoil, the last thing that businesses and residents in the city need is this body blow."
Labour and Co-op group leader Gill Mitchell said: "These are Green anti-motorist policies that will hit local businesses hard at a time when they are already struggling."
See the two-page special report inside today's Argus.
Information leaked to The Argus showing all proposed parking charges for Brighton and Hove can be seen on a dedicated planned tariffs for 2012/13 page.
Comments(124)
onlyme
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1:21pm Tue 8 Nov 11
jimbobmaginty
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1:23pm Tue 8 Nov 11
The council asking for more money from us without giving anything in return. Sounds about right!
Charging more when more people are about? Scum!
I think it’s about time we start protesting! Every other scumbag is so why cant us hard working people do it as we are being shafted left right and centre by our councils
Pork William
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1:25pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan
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1:26pm Tue 8 Nov 11
...oh wait.
m4mt7ah
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1:28pm Tue 8 Nov 11
joanne77
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1:32pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Saul G P Tong
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1:32pm Tue 8 Nov 11
jimbobmaginty wrote:So the 'Scum' implement it and 'Scumbags' protest against it - and you call for a protest. You muppet.
Why am I not surprised! The council asking for more money from us without giving anything in return. Sounds about right! Charging more when more people are about? Scum! I think it’s about time we start protesting! Every other scumbag is so why cant us hard working people do it as we are being shafted left right and centre by our councils
bug eye
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1:36pm Tue 8 Nov 11
bogs
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1:48pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21
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1:50pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
deltaP
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1:55pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Caroline Lucas and her cohorts need to understand human behaviour. You will NOT get people out of their cars these days, so learn to live with them rather than against them. Try introducing some really radical thinking, instead of going out of your way to make life difficult why not try working the other way. Making it easier for the motorist. That way you might just reduce pollution rather than increasing it, i.e. by eliminating queuing traffic rather than causing queues you actually reduce the pollution pumped out in all the areas already worst afftected by the problem. To me that's called logic, but to the Greens I think it might just be anathema. Or are many of them simply jealous of some car owners?
Servalan
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1:57pm Tue 8 Nov 11
bogs
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2:00pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21 wrote:There will be less revenue for the council when shops shut because nobody pays Business Rates on an empty shop. Sort term gain, long term decline. That lovely London Road springs to mind!
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Falstaff
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2:04pm Tue 8 Nov 11
I have little doubt that people will pay these charges if they have to come into town - they have little other choice - but out-of-town visitors will do so only once. Long term, this will lead to a substantial reduction in both visitor numbers and Brighton and Hove's reputation as a welcoming destination in which to relax - and spend money.
Ill thought-through. There is a parking charge tipping point and these increases may well be it.
MuammarQaddafi
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2:17pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Here. of course, you have it. There are just too many people in cars wanting to visit Brighton, so we are going to make sure only the ones with money to burn can afford to come. And ... this from people who profess to favour the working classes yet.
Ohnotagain !
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2:20pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21 wrote:And what position did you say you had in the council ?
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea. Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound. Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Slarty
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2:20pm Tue 8 Nov 11
It'll never work. It will just result in crowded shops and lots of people spending money in Eastbourne. I'll come into Brighton where the shops will be empty ;o)
Thankfully the Greens did not get in there too!!!!
Old Ale Man
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2:27pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Daft iligitimates, this will kill of any strugling small businesses, also strange how the charges are favouring their own wards.
Oh and if your one of those, now moaning about them daft Greens I hope you went out and voted at the local elections, coz if you didn't you are the people that helped them get electd. Think on??
MantaRay1
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2:41pm Tue 8 Nov 11
wietraurig
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2:51pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21
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2:53pm Tue 8 Nov 11
*Walk
*Cycle
*Bus
*Train
*Taxi
Take your pick!
Slarty
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3:02pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21 wrote:And to return home, outside Brighton not on train or bus route, with a large purchase???
For those getting their knickers in a twist over this, you needn’t fret, there are modes of transport other than car:
*Walk
*Cycle
*Bus
*Train
*Taxi
Take your pick!
You're right, there is no problem, unless you own a shop in Brighton (or work in one, or dont want to see Brighton like a ghost town) and see your trade going to Eastbourne or other places with sensible parking plans.
Number Six
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3:14pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21
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3:18pm Tue 8 Nov 11
I would expect the vast majority of large purchases, such as TVs etc are made at out of town shopping centres with free parking, or via the internet.
What was the last item that you bought in town that you couldnt carry and required you driving in a car because you arent within a mile of a bus or train stop?
ripmaxman
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3:25pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Don’t some of the people that have made comments realise that not everyone lives in the city and in easy reach of public transport!
ray ellerton
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3:26pm Tue 8 Nov 11
ripmaxman
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3:27pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Don’t some of the people that have made comments realise that not everyone lives in the city and in easy reach of public transport!
Slarty
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3:31pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21 wrote:three weeks ago...
What kind of large purchase do people make in the town these days anyway?
I would expect the vast majority of large purchases, such as TVs etc are made at out of town shopping centres with free parking, or via the internet.
What was the last item that you bought in town that you couldnt carry and required you driving in a car because you arent within a mile of a bus or train stop?
8 large plates, 8 side plates, 8 bowles, 2 serving bowles, 1 serving platter, 1 coffee machine and a new apple pealer (I could have managed that last one).
With that lot, I couldn't walking 1 meters, let alone 1 mile, in one go.
A couple of months ago, it was a bike (OK I could have ridden home, but that would have taken me hours and it was for a 7 year old so a little small for me), not allowed on train or bus with a bike (didnt even think about a taxi, but I doubt they would help). I bought in town (Sydney Street Bikes I think they are called) because of much better service that Halfords.
Nearest bus stop to me is about 3 miles and train station even further.
Pork William
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3:32pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull
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3:41pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:whhhayyyy! Its professional political agitator again masquerading as an average joe bloggs, or more accurately Porkie pie.
'Vote Of No Confidence' against this wretched Green council?
You forget to mention the central government has drastically cut the budget given to Brighton council, so the money for services has to come from somewhere.
If central gov doesnt give it from taxation, where does it come from then muppet? YES OF COURSE, ITS YOU AND ME!
Joshiman
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3:44pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Fight Back
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3:51pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21 wrote:Indeed, it's not a problem for me either. I will shop online thus accelerating the decline of the city centre until it becomes a ghost town.
For those getting their knickers in a twist over this, you needn’t fret, there are modes of transport other than car:
*Walk
*Cycle
*Bus
*Train
*Taxi
Take your pick!
just llok at the number of empty shops now - it's already started and even a halfwit can see parking charges are one of the problems. Unfortunately our currently council would stuggle to even qualify as halfwits.
peteb21
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3:52pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Slarty wrote:So you are getting worked up about spending £2 more or so once a month?!
peteb21 wrote: What kind of large purchase do people make in the town these days anyway? I would expect the vast majority of large purchases, such as TVs etc are made at out of town shopping centres with free parking, or via the internet. What was the last item that you bought in town that you couldnt carry and required you driving in a car because you arent within a mile of a bus or train stop?three weeks ago... 8 large plates, 8 side plates, 8 bowles, 2 serving bowles, 1 serving platter, 1 coffee machine and a new apple pealer (I could have managed that last one). With that lot, I couldn't walking 1 meters, let alone 1 mile, in one go. A couple of months ago, it was a bike (OK I could have ridden home, but that would have taken me hours and it was for a 7 year old so a little small for me), not allowed on train or bus with a bike (didnt even think about a taxi, but I doubt they would help). I bought in town (Sydney Street Bikes I think they are called) because of much better service that Halfords. Nearest bus stop to me is about 3 miles and train station even further.
Anyway clearly whatever you buy living three miles from the nearest bus stop means you probably have to drive whatever, even if you just bought a peeler. You must live miles out of town if you are that far from a stop!
Pork William
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3:57pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull wrote:Do be quiet; don't go on so. I am SICK AND TIRED of the this wretched Green Marxist bunch of clowns screwing-up Brighton. Where should I start? A proposed UFO research centre? An amnesty on squatters? Allowing numerous gypsy encampments to spring up? A proposed 10 MPH speed limit in Brighton? Proposed congestion charge to enter Brighton? Jason Kitcat demanding refuse collection ONCE A MONTH? The sooner this bunch are kicked out the better
Pork William wrote:whhhayyyy! Its professional political agitator again masquerading as an average joe bloggs, or more accurately Porkie pie.
'Vote Of No Confidence' against this wretched Green council?
You forget to mention the central government has drastically cut the budget given to Brighton council, so the money for services has to come from somewhere.
If central gov doesnt give it from taxation, where does it come from then muppet? YES OF COURSE, ITS YOU AND ME!
Martha Gunn
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3:58pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Fight Back
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3:58pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull wrote:And they'll come back for more as business tax levels go down due to closing businesses thanks to the higher parking charges.
Pork William wrote:whhhayyyy! Its professional political agitator again masquerading as an average joe bloggs, or more accurately Porkie pie.
'Vote Of No Confidence' against this wretched Green council?
You forget to mention the central government has drastically cut the budget given to Brighton council, so the money for services has to come from somewhere.
If central gov doesnt give it from taxation, where does it come from then muppet? YES OF COURSE, ITS YOU AND ME!
If the Greens hand't been so greedy with the coun cil tax rise they would have got extra funding from central government.
Pork William
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4:00pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Martha Gunn wrote:Yes, yes; quite so. Why the hell should we have to fund the 'Dr. Caroline Lucas Centre For UFO Research'? Her husband Richard Savage is a millionaire (not very good for 'Brussels' Marxist credentials!!!); let her husband fund it, NOT council tax payers!!!!
Does this Brussels Lucas levy contain any surcharge for UFO research or exploration for extra-terrestrial contacts?
Servalan
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4:24pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Pork William
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4:34pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:Now you listen to me, Servelan; just because you happen to be the Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation doesn't mean that you're not too old to be put over my knee!
I see the Labour Shills (who probably work for the Argus) are out in force as usual. It wouldn't happen to be Naomi "Loomes" who actually posts incessantly about "Brussels" Lucas and her UFO centre, would it?
I am NOT a 'Labour Shill' (as you put it), just a hard-working, law-abiding tax payer who is sick to death of Marxist Green loons ruining my town. UFO Research Centre my foot; who the HELL do these Greens think they are? Let Lucas's husband and the rest of the Green mentalists pay for it...
Servalan
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4:34pm Tue 8 Nov 11
bogs wrote:Sorry but this is just egregiously factually plainly wrong: the owner of the building has to pay the Business Rates if they don't have a tenant business.
peteb21 wrote:There will be less revenue for the council when shops shut because nobody pays Business Rates on an empty shop. Sort term gain, long term decline. That lovely London Road springs to mind!
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Servalan
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4:37pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull wrote:Hey may be a Labour Party "Junior Research" paid to "engage with social media", but I think he's more likely one of the Argus staff - perhaps Jo "Wads"worth or maybe even Ben Farce-ons, letting rip with their hilarious "Brussels Lucas" disinformationerizin
Pork William wrote:whhhayyyy! Its professional political agitator again masquerading as an average joe bloggs, or more accurately Porkie pie.
'Vote Of No Confidence' against this wretched Green council?
You forget to mention the central government has drastically cut the budget given to Brighton council, so the money for services has to come from somewhere.
If central gov doesnt give it from taxation, where does it come from then muppet? YES OF COURSE, ITS YOU AND ME!
g and UFO hilarities. How much does Nu Labour pay the Argus for this "ghost writing"? Shall we make an FoI request?
mark by the sea
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4:41pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Pork William
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4:46pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:I love the way that Marxist Greens have a pathological obsession with nonexistent Labour party plots against them!
graham_Seagull wrote:Hey may be a Labour Party "Junior Research" paid to "engage with social media", but I think he's more likely one of the Argus staff - perhaps Jo "Wads"worth or maybe even Ben Farce-ons, letting rip with their hilarious "Brussels Lucas" disinformationerizin
Pork William wrote:whhhayyyy! Its professional political agitator again masquerading as an average joe bloggs, or more accurately Porkie pie.
'Vote Of No Confidence' against this wretched Green council?
You forget to mention the central government has drastically cut the budget given to Brighton council, so the money for services has to come from somewhere.
If central gov doesnt give it from taxation, where does it come from then muppet? YES OF COURSE, ITS YOU AND ME!
g and UFO hilarities. How much does Nu Labour pay the Argus for this "ghost writing"? Shall we make an FoI request?
Would never cross their minds that it's the people who elected them who are fed-up with their PC nonsense...
Hove Actually
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4:49pm Tue 8 Nov 11
I am sure this will not effect her.
They can increase it as much as they like but people will be driven to drive elsewhere more and more, Crawley, Worthing, Eastborne and Horsham must all be loving this
Hove Actually
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4:49pm Tue 8 Nov 11
I am sure this will not effect her.
They can increase it as much as they like but people will be driven to drive elsewhere more and more, Crawley, Worthing, Eastborne and Horsham must all be loving this
graham_Seagull
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4:53pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:you write the same rubbish on every single comment thread. Surely you must have something better to do such as take a bit of time out to bang on doors for Warren Morgan, or take your medicine perhaps?
Martha Gunn wrote:Yes, yes; quite so. Why the hell should we have to fund the 'Dr. Caroline Lucas Centre For UFO Research'? Her husband Richard Savage is a millionaire (not very good for 'Brussels' Marxist credentials!!!); let her husband fund it, NOT council tax payers!!!!
Does this Brussels Lucas levy contain any surcharge for UFO research or exploration for extra-terrestrial contacts?
Servalan
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4:54pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull
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4:57pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:PC?
Servalan wrote:I love the way that Marxist Greens have a pathological obsession with nonexistent Labour party plots against them!
graham_Seagull wrote:Hey may be a Labour Party "Junior Research" paid to "engage with social media", but I think he's more likely one of the Argus staff - perhaps Jo "Wads"worth or maybe even Ben Farce-ons, letting rip with their hilarious "Brussels Lucas" disinformationerizin
Pork William wrote:whhhayyyy! Its professional political agitator again masquerading as an average joe bloggs, or more accurately Porkie pie.
'Vote Of No Confidence' against this wretched Green council?
You forget to mention the central government has drastically cut the budget given to Brighton council, so the money for services has to come from somewhere.
If central gov doesnt give it from taxation, where does it come from then muppet? YES OF COURSE, ITS YOU AND ME!
g and UFO hilarities. How much does Nu Labour pay the Argus for this "ghost writing"? Shall we make an FoI request?
Would never cross their minds that it's the people who elected them who are fed-up with their PC nonsense...
I drive an old beemer and drive 120 miles to work and back every day. So no I'm not a 'Green', marxist or otherwise.
Just someone who notices just how much both you and Nick BRT try to link certain politicians with outlandish ridiculous comments. The way you persevere with such rubbish marks you out as the Warren Morgan bit of rubbish on these pages. He's on here often enough as well.
Personally I've had enough of Labour and the Tories mucking up my town so I'll give anyone else a good run at coming up with new ideas. Better than your old drivel and tired ideas.
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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4:57pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan
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4:58pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull wrote:I gather it's actually an in-joke at Argus Towers in Southampton or wherever it is they're based these days - they draw lots each week as to who gets to be the Nu Labour shill, and the rest run a sweepstake and have to guess how many posts it will take until the shill plays the 'UFO' card. The winner gets 24 hour's worth on Anna Robert's Fire Service Twitter feed.
Pork William wrote:you write the same rubbish on every single comment thread. Surely you must have something better to do such as take a bit of time out to bang on doors for Warren Morgan, or take your medicine perhaps?
Martha Gunn wrote:Yes, yes; quite so. Why the hell should we have to fund the 'Dr. Caroline Lucas Centre For UFO Research'? Her husband Richard Savage is a millionaire (not very good for 'Brussels' Marxist credentials!!!); let her husband fund it, NOT council tax payers!!!!
Does this Brussels Lucas levy contain any surcharge for UFO research or exploration for extra-terrestrial contacts?
graham_Seagull
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5:03pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:Tory...moi?
Caroline Lucas isn't actually on B&HCC, Hove Actually, she's an MP at Westminster. But then we all know you don't live here either, you're just a Tory shill on an "internship" paid to troll on "social media" to help "raise the party profile". How much do they give you an hour, £1.50 and free muffins at the local lodge?
Nah, I supported the miners even in my teens, and as for the local Tories...Mary Mears? C'mon, really?! That's not a looker.
Pork William
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5:07pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull wrote:I'd prefer Mary Mears over 'Brussels'; Caroline Lucas looks like Mr Spock after a sex-change...
Servalan wrote:Tory...moi?
Caroline Lucas isn't actually on B&HCC, Hove Actually, she's an MP at Westminster. But then we all know you don't live here either, you're just a Tory shill on an "internship" paid to troll on "social media" to help "raise the party profile". How much do they give you an hour, £1.50 and free muffins at the local lodge?
Nah, I supported the miners even in my teens, and as for the local Tories...Mary Mears? C'mon, really?! That's not a looker.
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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5:07pm Tue 8 Nov 11
peteb21 wrote:Not everybody behind the wheel of a car is some lazy chav from Whitehawk who simply can't be bothered to take the bus. People from outside the city also want to visit and public transport is either limited or non-existent across large swathes of the region. This concept of 'outsiders' visiting is quite noticeable in the summer when the streets get quite busy, especially on the routes in to the city.
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Servalan
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5:07pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull wrote:I was replying to "Hove, Actually", as can be seen by noting that I referred to "Hove Actually" in my reply -
Servalan wrote:Tory...moi?
Caroline Lucas isn't actually on B&HCC, Hove Actually, she's an MP at Westminster. But then we all know you don't live here either, you're just a Tory shill on an "internship" paid to troll on "social media" to help "raise the party profile". How much do they give you an hour, £1.50 and free muffins at the local lodge?
Nah, I supported the miners even in my teens, and as for the local Tories...Mary Mears? C'mon, really?! That's not a looker.
but well done for outing yourself as a multiple-account sock-puppeteer, who probably works for the Argus running their "hilarious" sweepstake for how many posts it's going to take before Naomi "Loomes" cries "UFO!"
Servalan
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5:09pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:There the Argus go again, oppressing transgenderists. Which one are you, Rim Tidgeway, perhaps, bolstering the number of comments on his own story?
graham_Seagull wrote:I'd prefer Mary Mears over 'Brussels'; Caroline Lucas looks like Mr Spock after a sex-change...
Servalan wrote:Tory...moi?
Caroline Lucas isn't actually on B&HCC, Hove Actually, she's an MP at Westminster. But then we all know you don't live here either, you're just a Tory shill on an "internship" paid to troll on "social media" to help "raise the party profile". How much do they give you an hour, £1.50 and free muffins at the local lodge?
Nah, I supported the miners even in my teens, and as for the local Tories...Mary Mears? C'mon, really?! That's not a looker.
Pork William
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5:13pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Of course, this 'terrible' system has allowed 'Brussels', and her husband Richard Savage to own five properties, allowed Richard Savage to become a millionaire, and this terrible, evil Capitalist system to educate their children at one of the most expensive private school in Brussels.
Poor old 'Ph.D In Wimmins Studies' Lucas!
Fight Back
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5:14pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:Not strictly true. If a shop is empty then the first three months are exempt. Also if the business is in administration or insolvent then no rates are due. So the Council WILL lose money if businesses close.
bogs wrote:Sorry but this is just egregiously factually plainly wrong: the owner of the building has to pay the Business Rates if they don't have a tenant business.
peteb21 wrote:There will be less revenue for the council when shops shut because nobody pays Business Rates on an empty shop. Sort term gain, long term decline. That lovely London Road springs to mind!
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Fight Back
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5:16pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:Not strictly true. If a shop is empty then the first three months are exempt. Also if the business is in administration or insolvent then rates are not due. So the council WILL lose money if businesses fold.
bogs wrote:Sorry but this is just egregiously factually plainly wrong: the owner of the building has to pay the Business Rates if they don't have a tenant business.
peteb21 wrote:There will be less revenue for the council when shops shut because nobody pays Business Rates on an empty shop. Sort term gain, long term decline. That lovely London Road springs to mind!
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Servalan
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5:18pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Fight Back wrote:Even if that were true, the council only collects business rates to provide services and infrastructure to businesses, so if businesses close, the council doesn't need to provide anything for them, so they save money! Simple :)
Servalan wrote:Not strictly true. If a shop is empty then the first three months are exempt. Also if the business is in administration or insolvent then no rates are due. So the Council WILL lose money if businesses close.
bogs wrote:Sorry but this is just egregiously factually plainly wrong: the owner of the building has to pay the Business Rates if they don't have a tenant business.
peteb21 wrote:There will be less revenue for the council when shops shut because nobody pays Business Rates on an empty shop. Sort term gain, long term decline. That lovely London Road springs to mind!
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
pwlr1966
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5:23pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan
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5:25pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull
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5:32pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:Don't you have something better to do? yes thats right, dont forget the pills as you must be due for another by now...
Loved the fact that your Dear Leader was vocally supporting the protesters at Victoria Gardens, proclaiming how terrible the Capitalist system is.
Of course, this 'terrible' system has allowed 'Brussels', and her husband Richard Savage to own five properties, allowed Richard Savage to become a millionaire, and this terrible, evil Capitalist system to educate their children at one of the most expensive private school in Brussels.
Poor old 'Ph.D In Wimmins Studies' Lucas!
Pork William
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5:40pm Tue 8 Nov 11
graham_Seagull wrote:It's your 'Dear Leader' who must be on pills if she thinks that council tax payers will pay for her UFO research centre. Or maybe she could try some homeopathy? Thats another bizarre obsession of 'Brussels', isn't it?
Pork William wrote:Don't you have something better to do? yes thats right, dont forget the pills as you must be due for another by now...
Loved the fact that your Dear Leader was vocally supporting the protesters at Victoria Gardens, proclaiming how terrible the Capitalist system is.
Of course, this 'terrible' system has allowed 'Brussels', and her husband Richard Savage to own five properties, allowed Richard Savage to become a millionaire, and this terrible, evil Capitalist system to educate their children at one of the most expensive private school in Brussels.
Poor old 'Ph.D In Wimmins Studies' Lucas!
papa_melons
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5:41pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:still haven't seen any UFO research centre, has anyone else?
Servalan wrote:Now you listen to me, Servelan; just because you happen to be the Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation doesn't mean that you're not too old to be put over my knee!
I see the Labour Shills (who probably work for the Argus) are out in force as usual. It wouldn't happen to be Naomi "Loomes" who actually posts incessantly about "Brussels" Lucas and her UFO centre, would it?
I am NOT a 'Labour Shill' (as you put it), just a hard-working, law-abiding tax payer who is sick to death of Marxist Green loons ruining my town. UFO Research Centre my foot; who the HELL do these Greens think they are? Let Lucas's husband and the rest of the Green mentalists pay for it...
All the anti Green party comments appears to revolve around a few rumours, you all sound like a broken record and no I don't support the green party...... I just think it's really lame how you and so many others have no real argument, and bleat on about the same old same old
Fight Back
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5:44pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:You have a very simple view of taxation ! The council don't ringfence little pots of money. If a business pays say £3k business rates and they go bust then the council doesn't save £3k - they still have services to deliver to the area not just the business itself.
Fight Back wrote:Even if that were true, the council only collects business rates to provide services and infrastructure to businesses, so if businesses close, the council doesn't need to provide anything for them, so they save money! Simple :)
Servalan wrote:Not strictly true. If a shop is empty then the first three months are exempt. Also if the business is in administration or insolvent then no rates are due. So the Council WILL lose money if businesses close.
bogs wrote:Sorry but this is just egregiously factually plainly wrong: the owner of the building has to pay the Business Rates if they don't have a tenant business.
peteb21 wrote:There will be less revenue for the council when shops shut because nobody pays Business Rates on an empty shop. Sort term gain, long term decline. That lovely London Road springs to mind!
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Pork William
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5:44pm Tue 8 Nov 11
papa_melons wrote:Well I've just been looking on the Net, and 'Brussels' claims to have witnessed a number of UFO's flying above her house when she was a child. Presumably this would explain her obsession with UFO research.
Pork William wrote:still haven't seen any UFO research centre, has anyone else?
Servalan wrote:Now you listen to me, Servelan; just because you happen to be the Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation doesn't mean that you're not too old to be put over my knee!
I see the Labour Shills (who probably work for the Argus) are out in force as usual. It wouldn't happen to be Naomi "Loomes" who actually posts incessantly about "Brussels" Lucas and her UFO centre, would it?
I am NOT a 'Labour Shill' (as you put it), just a hard-working, law-abiding tax payer who is sick to death of Marxist Green loons ruining my town. UFO Research Centre my foot; who the HELL do these Greens think they are? Let Lucas's husband and the rest of the Green mentalists pay for it...
All the anti Green party comments appears to revolve around a few rumours, you all sound like a broken record and no I don't support the green party...... I just think it's really lame how you and so many others have no real argument, and bleat on about the same old same old
I wonder if she was abducted by aliens and 'interfered' with? It would explain why she always looks so miserable...
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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6:12pm Tue 8 Nov 11
The transport area of the Council budget is going to end up with more money that it knows what to do with whilst other service areas will continue to get cut.
notaconspiracy
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7:20pm Tue 8 Nov 11
I suppose, if you vote for a one-issue political Party you shouldn't be surprised that they aren't very good at any other issues!
keswick
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7:21pm Tue 8 Nov 11
mike_on_the_mike
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7:33pm Tue 8 Nov 11
wietraurig wrote:I would love to know how many times in the past twelve months you have WALKED three miles to get to work! If the answer's greater than zero, I wouldn't believe you, and neither would many others..
Can't see the problem myself. The traffic is hugely congested anyway, and a bit less of it would make the town centre more pleasant and less polluted. I work in the town centre, and live about three miles out. I've found no difficulty whatsoever in walking, cycling or getting the bus to work. As long as there is adequate free disabled parking for those who really need it, I don't see why the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for the environmental costs we impose because we're too lazy to use public transport or walk or cycle (would also help reduce obesity etc).
leobrighton
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8:19pm Tue 8 Nov 11
tom servo
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8:28pm Tue 8 Nov 11
mike_on_the_mike wrote:I'm no fan of the greens or Lucas but what the hell are you talking about. 3 miles is not far to walk. If that is how you think then I have a pretty good idea of what you look like.... or your body shape at least.
wietraurig wrote:I would love to know how many times in the past twelve months you have WALKED three miles to get to work! If the answer's greater than zero, I wouldn't believe you, and neither would many others..
Can't see the problem myself. The traffic is hugely congested anyway, and a bit less of it would make the town centre more pleasant and less polluted. I work in the town centre, and live about three miles out. I've found no difficulty whatsoever in walking, cycling or getting the bus to work. As long as there is adequate free disabled parking for those who really need it, I don't see why the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for the environmental costs we impose because we're too lazy to use public transport or walk or cycle (would also help reduce obesity etc).
Greyrun
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9:15pm Tue 8 Nov 11
Maxwell's Ghost
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9:22pm Tue 8 Nov 11
There is nothing more annoying than driving my Bentley into town and finding all the spaces taken up by middle income earners in ther people carriers.
Thank you Greens. I can now park and write off the £15 to my business.
I will of course not be taking on that young apprentice now though I have to pay a little extra.
Greens, putting solar panels on council homes, screwing the middle income earners and helping the rich get parked.
Hooray.
davyboy
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9:55pm Tue 8 Nov 11
onlyme wrote:well you will have the whole car park to yourself. this is extortionate, and one very good reason why i will not drive into brighton when i am in the area. i will always use the bus, even from shoreham. bye bye city centre!
farcical - it wont stop me driving in - cos surely that is what they are trying to do - deter people driving into the city and parking and spending money - Doh!
Indigatio
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9:57pm Tue 8 Nov 11
"The cost of parking in Eastbourne over the winter has been reduced significantly in a bid to help shops attract more trade.
The price drop has seen the cost of two hours parking reduced from £1.50 to 20p on the seafront of the East Sussex town.
Councillors trialled a reduction last year to help traders over Christmas and into the New Year.
This winter's trial will run until 31 March 2012.
East Sussex County Council is using surplus money from the town's parking scheme to help fund the cut and hopes that an increase in visitors to the town will also bring in extra parking revenue".
Says it all really.
Old Ale Man
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9:57pm Tue 8 Nov 11
I think you'll find there all commies having you all believe there gonna save the world, thats why no meat Mondays, less demand for meat = less demand for cows = less **** = less polution of the atmosphere can only mean tax on **** next.
I heard someone refer to them as water melons, get it? green on the outside red on the inside!!
About sums them up.
Brighton Visitor
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2:03am Wed 9 Nov 11
This is yet another reason as to why not visit the dump.
Maxwell's Ghost
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8:10am Wed 9 Nov 11
Even public transport is for the rich.
Joshiman
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8:21am Wed 9 Nov 11
ing more Charity shops.More travellers camps.More free parking for campers anywhere in Brighton.It will be cheaper to leave your car all day on yellow lines and it will still be cheaper than the Green parking costs.Eastbourne is ok and virtually free to park.Brighton is not the place to live especially whilst the inexperienced Greens are in control.
brunswick2019
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8:43am Wed 9 Nov 11
Harryhove
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8:52am Wed 9 Nov 11
wietraurig
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9:18am Wed 9 Nov 11
mike_on_the_mike wrote:I couldn't care less whether you believe me or not, but on average I walk to work 2-3 days a week, occasionally I cycle, and if it's pouring with rain I take the bus. Walking 3 miles takes about 40 minutes, and when the traffic is busy, and you allow for the time wasted waiting for the bus, it's often almost as quick (door to door) as the bus. I'm in my mid-50s and reasonably fit, but anyone (who isn't disabled) who thinks that a 40 minute walk is out of the question is living on another planet as far as I'm concerned (they might also be overweight). Another advantage of the walk, is that you arrive at work quite refreshed and relaxed, rather than stressed out from sitting in a queue with other cars.
wietraurig wrote:I would love to know how many times in the past twelve months you have WALKED three miles to get to work! If the answer's greater than zero, I wouldn't believe you, and neither would many others..
Can't see the problem myself. The traffic is hugely congested anyway, and a bit less of it would make the town centre more pleasant and less polluted. I work in the town centre, and live about three miles out. I've found no difficulty whatsoever in walking, cycling or getting the bus to work. As long as there is adequate free disabled parking for those who really need it, I don't see why the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for the environmental costs we impose because we're too lazy to use public transport or walk or cycle (would also help reduce obesity etc).
atlantis88
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9:49am Wed 9 Nov 11
peteb21
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10:13am Wed 9 Nov 11
This kind of thinking is going to influence so many other areas, basically people have become lazy and have distanced themselves from the realities of living, and those realities are about to catch as up...
What is required is a complete culture change over the reliance on cars (amongst many other things), and the misplaced belief that you can’t live or do anything without one. If increasing car parking charges goes some way to achieving this then it has to be a good thing.
Warren Morgan
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10:29am Wed 9 Nov 11
Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies.
Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.
Servalan
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10:36am Wed 9 Nov 11
Warren Morgan wrote:Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially".
Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies.
Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.
Harryhove
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10:53am Wed 9 Nov 11
Or - we support both pollution and reducing pollution. Brilliant!
wietraurig
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11:07am Wed 9 Nov 11
peteb21 wrote:spot on!
It’s indicative of a very sorry state of affairs when some people won’t believe other people walk all of three miles into work! That says so much about so many things, it doesn’t surprise me that our economy and pretty much all the western economies are struggling when people hold views over matters like this.
This kind of thinking is going to influence so many other areas, basically people have become lazy and have distanced themselves from the realities of living, and those realities are about to catch as up...
What is required is a complete culture change over the reliance on cars (amongst many other things), and the misplaced belief that you can’t live or do anything without one. If increasing car parking charges goes some way to achieving this then it has to be a good thing.
brunswick2019
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11:20am Wed 9 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:If there is an Argus conspiracy to 'plant' ufo-related stories, why have the mods just deleted a load of posts regarding this ?
Warren Morgan wrote:Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially".
Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies.
Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.
Pork William
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11:24am Wed 9 Nov 11
brunswick2019 wrote:There IS no Argus conspiracy to plant UFO stories against Caroline Lucas; it is just sheer damage-limitation by the Green's, trying to cover up what WITNESSES heard her say (she wanted to establish a UFO research centre in Brighton)
Servalan wrote:If there is an Argus conspiracy to 'plant' ufo-related stories, why have the mods just deleted a load of posts regarding this ?
Warren Morgan wrote:Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially".
Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies.
Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.
Busterblister
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11:25am Wed 9 Nov 11
The Greens have worked out that in this area, you actually need very few votes to gain power. The residents of the town have let them in - now they need to get them out. If they really want to.
Some sanity could be restored if Labour and the Conservatives could work together. Tell me if I'm wrong, but they could be vetoing much of the harm the Greens intend to do to the town. But they are sitting on their hands. We truly get the politicians we deserve.
Sarah Booker
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11:25am Wed 9 Nov 11
brunswick2019 wrote:The deleted posts contained writer-censored swearing. Bad language is not permitted on the site and "****" comments are flagged in the moderating system. See the terms and conditions in the link below the commenting field.
Servalan wrote:If there is an Argus conspiracy to 'plant' ufo-related stories, why have the mods just deleted a load of posts regarding this ?Warren Morgan wrote: At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially". Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies. Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
There is no Argus conspiracy to "plant" UFO stories and the reporters here are busy writing news rather than 'planting' comments on the website.
Pork William
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11:30am Wed 9 Nov 11
Busterblister wrote:Don't forget that the Green's specifically courted students and campaigned vigorously, hoping to get the vote from students who thought that it was 'trendy' to vote Green...
This is what you get when people are apathetic and don't vote, so Brighton and Hove residents have no-one to blame but themselves. The Greens got in on something like 13% of the available vote. They are a party that at the last General Election had 1% of the vote nationally, which was half that of the BNP. They are a minority minority party.
The Greens have worked out that in this area, you actually need very few votes to gain power. The residents of the town have let them in - now they need to get them out. If they really want to.
Some sanity could be restored if Labour and the Conservatives could work together. Tell me if I'm wrong, but they could be vetoing much of the harm the Greens intend to do to the town. But they are sitting on their hands. We truly get the politicians we deserve.
Busterblister
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11:43am Wed 9 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:Well of course the mainstream parties could have done the same.
Busterblister wrote:Don't forget that the Green's specifically courted students and campaigned vigorously, hoping to get the vote from students who thought that it was 'trendy' to vote Green...
This is what you get when people are apathetic and don't vote, so Brighton and Hove residents have no-one to blame but themselves. The Greens got in on something like 13% of the available vote. They are a party that at the last General Election had 1% of the vote nationally, which was half that of the BNP. They are a minority minority party.
The Greens have worked out that in this area, you actually need very few votes to gain power. The residents of the town have let them in - now they need to get them out. If they really want to.
Some sanity could be restored if Labour and the Conservatives could work together. Tell me if I'm wrong, but they could be vetoing much of the harm the Greens intend to do to the town. But they are sitting on their hands. We truly get the politicians we deserve.
But I guess the students thought they were saving the world rather than sending it to some type of socialist hell.
To be fair to the Greens, we had plenty of trendies round here (strangely, especially those with gas guzzlers) with Vote Green posters up in the windows, so they obviously found their sweet spot.
Their biggest vote winner was almost certainly apathy.
Servalan
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11:47am Wed 9 Nov 11
brunswick2019 wrote:So you can't link to the minutes in question, then? What a surprise! Could that be because they don't exist? lol
Servalan wrote:If there is an Argus conspiracy to 'plant' ufo-related stories, why have the mods just deleted a load of posts regarding this ?
Warren Morgan wrote:Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially".
Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies.
Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.
Remember when the Tories tried and failed to get Councillor Kitkat struck off for publicising council meeting minutes... coincidence..?
brunswick2019
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12:03pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:Would that be the same Green Councillor Jason Kitcat who called for an array of radio telescopes to be built on the Downs to listen for radio signals from space aliens?
brunswick2019 wrote:So you can't link to the minutes in question, then? What a surprise! Could that be because they don't exist? lol
Servalan wrote:If there is an Argus conspiracy to 'plant' ufo-related stories, why have the mods just deleted a load of posts regarding this ?
Warren Morgan wrote:Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially".
Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies.
Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.
Remember when the Tories tried and failed to get Councillor Kitkat struck off for publicising council meeting minutes... coincidence..?
Even 'Private Eye' magazine refers to Dear Leader as 'Brussels' Lucas whenever they have an article about skidrow-on-sea...
Servalan
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12:10pm Wed 9 Nov 11
brunswick2019 wrote:No, it was the Councillor Kitcat that Private Eye featured in their "Rotten Boroughs" coloumn when Councillor Theobald tried to have him struck off, actually.
Servalan wrote:Would that be the same Green Councillor Jason Kitcat who called for an array of radio telescopes to be built on the Downs to listen for radio signals from space aliens?
brunswick2019 wrote:So you can't link to the minutes in question, then? What a surprise! Could that be because they don't exist? lol
Servalan wrote:If there is an Argus conspiracy to 'plant' ufo-related stories, why have the mods just deleted a load of posts regarding this ?
Warren Morgan wrote:Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially".
Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies.
Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.
Remember when the Tories tried and failed to get Councillor Kitkat struck off for publicising council meeting minutes... coincidence..?
Even 'Private Eye' magazine refers to Dear Leader as 'Brussels' Lucas whenever they have an article about skidrow-on-sea...
Warren Morgan
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2:22pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:I can link to the webcast of the Council meeting, where you can watch me ask - and Cllr Ian Davey answer - my questions. Go to time index 2.00.20
Warren Morgan wrote: At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially". Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies. Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
http://www.brighton-
hove.public-i.tv/cor
e/portal/webcast_int
eractive/66884
Warren Morgan
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2:26pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Busterblister wrote:No, Labour and the Tories can't join together and outvote the Green parking charge proposals. The only councillors who will have a vote on this are the 10 Green Cabinet members. This cannot be overturned at a full Council meeting.
This is what you get when people are apathetic and don't vote, so Brighton and Hove residents have no-one to blame but themselves. The Greens got in on something like 13% of the available vote. They are a party that at the last General Election had 1% of the vote nationally, which was half that of the BNP. They are a minority minority party. The Greens have worked out that in this area, you actually need very few votes to gain power. The residents of the town have let them in - now they need to get them out. If they really want to. Some sanity could be restored if Labour and the Conservatives could work together. Tell me if I'm wrong, but they could be vetoing much of the harm the Greens intend to do to the town. But they are sitting on their hands. We truly get the politicians we deserve.
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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2:44pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Greyrun wrote:Ha! I think you've just summed up peteb21's whole argument. No rural visitors in our city!
Local shops for local people,we don't want no strangers here.
Servalan
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3:13pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Warren Morgan wrote:Thank you Councillor Morgan. It was actually at 2:02:00. On the strength of the figures, Mr Davey does indeed seem somewhat economical with the truth . Although, comparing you figure with his, don't think a bit of walking and cycling might do you some good?
Servalan wrote:I can link to the webcast of the Council meeting, where you can watch me ask - and Cllr Ian Davey answer - my questions. Go to time index 2.00.20
Warren Morgan wrote: At the Council meeting on October 20th, I asked the Cabinet Member responsible for Transport whether the Green Administrations policy on transport included substantial increases to parking charges. The reply I got to my very clear and direct question was "no, not substantially". Either the Cabinet member does not view increases of 100% as "substantial", or the Greens are not being honest with either the opposition or the public on their actual policies. Massive increases to parking charges during a time of acute economic difficulties will put shops and companies out of business and local people out of work. We all support reductions in pollution but not at the expense of people's jobs.Can you link to the minutes of this question? Otherwise I think we'll just have to assume you're another 'junior researcher' with a UFO obsession.
http://www.brighton-
hove.public-i.tv/cor
e/portal/webcast_int
eractive/66884
Pork William
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4:43pm Wed 9 Nov 11
brunswick2019 wrote:I don't know about traveling back in time, but I wish that the aliens that 'Brussels' Lucas is so obsessed with would beam her up and keep her!
I wonder what Caroline Lucas's opinions are regarding time-travel? (She's believes in UFO's and homeopathy, so I am sure she must have some interest).
If Lucas could go back in time in a machine, would she reverse all the damage that she and her marxist trouble-makers have done to Brighton?
Unbias
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5:04pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Fight Back
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5:08pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Warren Morgan wrote:I have no reason not to believe you and in which case that is disgusting. Something that could damage the city so badly and it isn't even decided by the Councillors we ALL voted for. No instead it's decided by a minority group of councillors from a monority party.
Busterblister wrote:No, Labour and the Tories can't join together and outvote the Green parking charge proposals. The only councillors who will have a vote on this are the 10 Green Cabinet members. This cannot be overturned at a full Council meeting.
This is what you get when people are apathetic and don't vote, so Brighton and Hove residents have no-one to blame but themselves. The Greens got in on something like 13% of the available vote. They are a party that at the last General Election had 1% of the vote nationally, which was half that of the BNP. They are a minority minority party. The Greens have worked out that in this area, you actually need very few votes to gain power. The residents of the town have let them in - now they need to get them out. If they really want to. Some sanity could be restored if Labour and the Conservatives could work together. Tell me if I'm wrong, but they could be vetoing much of the harm the Greens intend to do to the town. But they are sitting on their hands. We truly get the politicians we deserve.
And people wonder why there is voter apathy ?
Councillor Morgan - I know it would go against the grain but surely Labour and the Conservatives could force something through to cause a new local election so we can all ( reds and blues ) kick out this damaging council ?
Unbias
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5:08pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Offliner
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5:47pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Servalan wrote:Hmm, do you know how to spell "irony"?
bogs wrote:Sorry but this is just egregiously factually plainly wrong: the owner of the building has to pay the Business Rates if they don't have a tenant business.
peteb21 wrote:There will be less revenue for the council when shops shut because nobody pays Business Rates on an empty shop. Sort term gain, long term decline. That lovely London Road springs to mind!
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Offliner
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5:52pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Fight Back wrote:Hmm, do you know how to spell "irony"?
Servalan wrote:You have a very simple view of taxation ! The council don't ringfence little pots of money. If a business pays say £3k business rates and they go bust then the council doesn't save £3k - they still have services to deliver to the area not just the business itself.
Fight Back wrote:Even if that were true, the council only collects business rates to provide services and infrastructure to businesses, so if businesses close, the council doesn't need to provide anything for them, so they save money! Simple :)
Servalan wrote:Not strictly true. If a shop is empty then the first three months are exempt. Also if the business is in administration or insolvent then no rates are due. So the Council WILL lose money if businesses close.
bogs wrote:Sorry but this is just egregiously factually plainly wrong: the owner of the building has to pay the Business Rates if they don't have a tenant business.
peteb21 wrote:There will be less revenue for the council when shops shut because nobody pays Business Rates on an empty shop. Sort term gain, long term decline. That lovely London Road springs to mind!
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea.
Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound.
Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
graham_Seagull
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9:55pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Fight Back wrote:Canyou confirm the so called damaging policies? I haven't seen any yet- the other parties would have also been forced to raise revenue from other sources due to the cut from central govt.
Warren Morgan wrote:I have no reason not to believe you and in which case that is disgusting. Something that could damage the city so badly and it isn't even decided by the Councillors we ALL voted for. No instead it's decided by a minority group of councillors from a monority party. And people wonder why there is voter apathy ? Councillor Morgan - I know it would go against the grain but surely Labour and the Conservatives could force something through to cause a new local election so we can all ( reds and blues ) kick out this damaging council ?Busterblister wrote: This is what you get when people are apathetic and don't vote, so Brighton and Hove residents have no-one to blame but themselves. The Greens got in on something like 13% of the available vote. They are a party that at the last General Election had 1% of the vote nationally, which was half that of the BNP. They are a minority minority party. The Greens have worked out that in this area, you actually need very few votes to gain power. The residents of the town have let them in - now they need to get them out. If they really want to. Some sanity could be restored if Labour and the Conservatives could work together. Tell me if I'm wrong, but they could be vetoing much of the harm the Greens intend to do to the town. But they are sitting on their hands. We truly get the politicians we deserve.No, Labour and the Tories can't join together and outvote the Green parking charge proposals. The only councillors who will have a vote on this are the 10 Green Cabinet members. This cannot be overturned at a full Council meeting.
Voter apathy? Yes, caused by years of disengagement by the previous administrations!! Compared to them the greens are comparatively open government. There's many made up scare stories on here, much UFO rubbish. No substance. Typical.
graham_Seagull
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9:57pm Wed 9 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:You're the one obsessed by them methinks.
brunswick2019 wrote: I wonder what Caroline Lucas's opinions are regarding time-travel? (She's believes in UFO's and homeopathy, so I am sure she must have some interest). If Lucas could go back in time in a machine, would she reverse all the damage that she and her marxist trouble-makers have done to Brighton?I don't know about traveling back in time, but I wish that the aliens that 'Brussels' Lucas is so obsessed with would beam her up and keep her!
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6:48am Thu 10 Nov 11
graham_Seagull wrote:The only thing I am obsesses with is wanting my home town to be a better place to live in, and that will only start to happen when 'Brussels' Lucas and her bunch of Green party Marxist clowns are removed from office
Pork William wrote:You're the one obsessed by them methinks.
brunswick2019 wrote: I wonder what Caroline Lucas's opinions are regarding time-travel? (She's believes in UFO's and homeopathy, so I am sure she must have some interest). If Lucas could go back in time in a machine, would she reverse all the damage that she and her marxist trouble-makers have done to Brighton?I don't know about traveling back in time, but I wish that the aliens that 'Brussels' Lucas is so obsessed with would beam her up and keep her!
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1:14pm Thu 10 Nov 11
Fight Back wrote:No, elections are fixed at four year intervals so by-elections aside the next elections are in 2015. The Greens promised to get special dispensation from the Government to move from the Leader and Cabinet system (where they have all the executive power) back to a committee system (where full council meetings have the ultimate say) but this is not going to happen soon. The only other alternative would be a joint Labour/Conservative Cabinet and I'm afraid that just isn't a possibility.
Warren Morgan wrote:I have no reason not to believe you and in which case that is disgusting. Something that could damage the city so badly and it isn't even decided by the Councillors we ALL voted for. No instead it's decided by a minority group of councillors from a monority party. And people wonder why there is voter apathy ? Councillor Morgan - I know it would go against the grain but surely Labour and the Conservatives could force something through to cause a new local election so we can all ( reds and blues ) kick out this damaging council ?Busterblister wrote: This is what you get when people are apathetic and don't vote, so Brighton and Hove residents have no-one to blame but themselves. The Greens got in on something like 13% of the available vote. They are a party that at the last General Election had 1% of the vote nationally, which was half that of the BNP. They are a minority minority party. The Greens have worked out that in this area, you actually need very few votes to gain power. The residents of the town have let them in - now they need to get them out. If they really want to. Some sanity could be restored if Labour and the Conservatives could work together. Tell me if I'm wrong, but they could be vetoing much of the harm the Greens intend to do to the town. But they are sitting on their hands. We truly get the politicians we deserve.No, Labour and the Tories can't join together and outvote the Green parking charge proposals. The only councillors who will have a vote on this are the 10 Green Cabinet members. This cannot be overturned at a full Council meeting.
AGT999
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6:19pm Thu 10 Nov 11
D5
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8:40pm Thu 10 Nov 11
Easy.
D5
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8:47pm Thu 10 Nov 11
Ohnotagain ! wrote:i cycle 20+ miles in and out of Brighton to work every day. Sometimes it's very dangerous, because such an in demand place, people seem to be desperate to speed OUT of Brighton.
peteb21 wrote:And what position did you say you had in the council ?
Got to say I reckon this is a good idea. Too many people are lazy and drive when they dont need to drive, creating unnecessary pollution, both in terms of CO2 and NOx emissions and sound. Hopefully the streets will be a little less busy and safer for walkers and cyclists, and maybe some extra revenue for the council too.
Oh and i dont work for the council either.
tenerifeisland
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10:26pm Thu 10 Nov 11
panniers
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2:19am Fri 11 Nov 11
Number Six wrote:I agree. I will certainly not be voting for the Greens again
I can't think of anything that Brighton's got that's worth paying an extra 3.75 an hour for.
Pork William
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8:26am Fri 11 Nov 11
AGT999 wrote:Not many, I'd wager; the Greens campaigned very heavily at both universities, so I imagine the student vote (thinking it was 'trendy' to vote Green) had something to do with the Greens getting in
Brighton and Hove are getting just what they deserve by voting in the Green party. It was obvious this sort of thing would happen. I wonder how many of these Green voters are Brighton and Hove born and bred?
brunswick2019
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8:42am Fri 11 Nov 11
Pork William wrote:I agree with Pork William; I work at Sussex University, and Green party activists were swarming all over the campus at the time of the election (and I am also told Brighton University).
AGT999 wrote:Not many, I'd wager; the Greens campaigned very heavily at both universities, so I imagine the student vote (thinking it was 'trendy' to vote Green) had something to do with the Greens getting in
Brighton and Hove are getting just what they deserve by voting in the Green party. It was obvious this sort of thing would happen. I wonder how many of these Green voters are Brighton and Hove born and bred?
I think the transient student vote certainly helped the Green party get into power.
thelaird
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1:00pm Fri 11 Nov 11
Brighton is a disgraceful mess in any event!
Joshiman
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1:58pm Fri 11 Nov 11
ies/alcoholics openly drinking on the streets.Dirty seafront shelters.Overnight camper vans.Squatters.What happened?Used to be proud of telling people that I lived in the Brighton area(albeit Shoreham really)
brunswick2019
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4:21pm Fri 11 Nov 11
Joshiman wrote:The first thing to do to reverse the decline and decay is kick-out the Green party
What an embarrassement B&H has become .In such a short space of time it has become a hell hole.With Campers/tramps/drugg
ies/alcoholics openly drinking on the streets.Dirty seafront shelters.Overnight camper vans.Squatters.What happened?Used to be proud of telling people that I lived in the Brighton area(albeit Shoreham really)
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12:33pm Fri 25 Nov 11
Number Six says...
1:12pm Tue 8 Nov 11