Measles sweeps through Brighton and Hove (From The Argus)

AngelicDevil wrote:
It is completely irresponsible to not vaccinate your child. Not only are you risking their life but others around you too! When it comes to things like this parents need to listen to the advice of the relevant health body. We are now seeing an alarming rise in diseases that were almost stamped out entirely. But then again a part of me thinks, if you're stupid enough to not vaccinate your children then perhaps you deserve the potentially fatal consequences of your actions.

AngelicDevil wrote:
Perhaps a little read up on child mortality in the Victorian era and prior to that would highlight why vaccination is so important.....

monkeymoo wrote:

AngelicDevil wrote: Perhaps a little read up on child mortality in the Victorian era and prior to that would highlight why vaccination is so important.....

You only speak from your point of view I'm afraid. Before you "question" me, I carried out plenty of research into the MMR jab. I would have given my children the separate ones, but that choice was taken away from me. I chose to give them the combined MMR in the end. What i am saying, is that your own personal views CANNOT be pushed onto other parents. If they believe that something may harm their child, they have the right to refuse it...for example..... 1. The recent swine flu injection offered to pregnant mothers. Later found out to be "none" tested!! 2. Thalidomide, a German-invented drug which was used in the 1950's and 1960's across Europe to tame the side effects of pregnancy. It caused birth defects in newborns who's mother had used the drug. Both of the above were assured consistently "safe" to parents. Maybe you SHOULD remember that!

monkeymoo wrote:

AngelicDevil wrote:
It is completely irresponsible to not vaccinate your child. Not only are you risking their life but others around you too! When it comes to things like this parents need to listen to the advice of the relevant health body. We are now seeing an alarming rise in diseases that were almost stamped out entirely. But then again a part of me thinks, if you're stupid enough to not vaccinate your children then perhaps you deserve the potentially fatal consequences of your actions.

Parents used to have the choice of:

1. Give their children the MMR jabs.

2. Give their children the separate injections, but they must pay for them.

3. Give their children no injections at all.

The Labour government removed choice "2" for all parents (unless you travel abroad and do it). Leaving only choices "1" and "3".

It is not irresponsible for a parent to choose not to give an injection to their child IF THEY BELIEVE THE INJECTION COULD CAUSE HARM to their child. Only a narrow minded person would think otherwise.

Does anyone remember things like Chicken pox, or Measles Parties? When 1 kid in the area caught one of these "diseases", the other mums would soon have all the kids round for a party. That way, the child would be exposed to it, and build up a natural immunity to it at an early age. Always worked out ok!

Hotbeans wrote:
So parents risk their child getting measles or getting permanent behavioural changes because of having the MMR. (It may have been 'discounted' but we know parents who swear it's happened to their child). What an awful dilemma facing parents and shocking they even have to face it. Single measles jab for us was the solution ultimately.

papa_melons wrote:

monkeymoo wrote:

AngelicDevil wrote: It is completely irresponsible to not vaccinate your child. Not only are you risking their life but others around you too! When it comes to things like this parents need to listen to the advice of the relevant health body. We are now seeing an alarming rise in diseases that were almost stamped out entirely. But then again a part of me thinks, if you're stupid enough to not vaccinate your children then perhaps you deserve the potentially fatal consequences of your actions.

Parents used to have the choice of: 1. Give their children the MMR jabs. 2. Give their children the separate injections, but they must pay for them. 3. Give their children no injections at all. The Labour government removed choice "2" for all parents (unless you travel abroad and do it). Leaving only choices "1" and "3". It is not irresponsible for a parent to choose not to give an injection to their child IF THEY BELIEVE THE INJECTION COULD CAUSE HARM to their child. Only a narrow minded person would think otherwise. Does anyone remember things like Chicken pox, or Measles Parties? When 1 kid in the area caught one of these "diseases", the other mums would soon have all the kids round for a party. That way, the child would be exposed to it, and build up a natural immunity to it at an early age. Always worked out ok!

what is irresponsible is people like you going round spreading unfounded rumours that the MMR jab will cause harm, when there is CLEARLY no clinical evidence to support this view, despite extensive research into it.

Jenny Allan wrote:
Measles is highly infectious and can be nasty, but parents understandably still have concerns about the MMR vaccine, which contains three live viruses. I am quite sure that more parents would be prepared to vaccinate their children if they were given the choice of single measles vaccinations. These were part of the UK vaccination programme, prior to the introduction of the MMR vaccine in 1988. The first MMR vaccine, Pluserix, which contained the Urabe mumps component, was previously banned in Canada and withdrawn in the UK in 2002 after causing untold adverse reactions. Robert Fletcher, who was profoundly disabled by the MMR vaccine, was finally compensated by the UK government 18 years after receiving the MMR vaccine. Don't blame parents for their worries. Give them a proven safe CHOICE of vaccine for their children.

Tailgaters Anonymous wrote:
Firstly, is this really news? Measles outbreaks have happened with alarming regularity since a certain doctor, tied in to certain drug companies, claimed there was a link to autism when children were given the MMR vaccine.
Secondly, how many parents can afford the cost of 'single vaccines' as these are not provided on the NHS?
Thirdly, this is not a new phenomenon, having been around for some 20 years.

Erwin Alber wrote:
I'd much rather that my child got the childhood diseases that the MMR vaccine is supposed to (but does not) prevent, than MMR-induced autism. To me, it's a no-brainer really, especially as the rubella component of the MMR is cultured on a cell line derived from aborted human foetus tissue and the measles component on measles virus- infected eggs. The vaccine is consequently contaminated with bits of bird viruses. There is therefore just no way I would let any of these brainwashed needle nuts get near any child of mine.

Informedperson wrote:
Grace, l've heard of cases like yours all too often and l'm so sorry that you are in bad health.

I ask one thing, when you visit the doctor for these vaccinations, whatever they might be, ask to see the vaccine insert which will inform you of all the side effects and most of the ingredients that are being injected into millions of babies. My guessing is that the doctor will refuse to show you, wonder why?

Erwin Alber wrote:
I'd much rather that my child got the childhood diseases that the MMR vaccine is supposed to (but does not) prevent, than MMR-induced autism. To me, it's a no-brainer really, especially as the rubella component of the MMR is cultured on a cell line derived from aborted human foetus tissue and the measles component on measles virus- infected eggs. The vaccine is consequently contaminated with bits of bird viruses. There is therefore just no way I would let any of these brainwashed needle nuts get near any child of mine.

AngelicDevil wrote:
I'm afraid it IS irresponsible for a parent to choose not to give their child a vaccination that has been used for many, many years with no link ever proven to anything! Parents DO NOT always know best, unfortunately you do not have to be a genius in order to breed. And no, I do not remember chicken pox/measles parties. The problem is not necessarily about your "healthy" child catching it but an immune deficient person\child or a pregnant woman being unwittingly exposed to one of these diseases. That is where the biggest danger lies. As I said before, if people want to be daft and believe what so and so's says about something then go for it. But don't blame anyone when your child dies because there's been plenty of information given out to prevent these diseases becoming epidemics like they once were.

Informedperson wrote:
Also please be aware that Andrew Wakefields studies have been replicated many times since by other doctors, in other countries, but then if you'd looked into this properly you'd know that, right?

anonymous coward wrote:
I see this article has brought out the absolutely worst of the Argus' Daily Mail reading, mentally retarded, selfish, short sighted, bigoted readers. The sheer number of people who haven't the faintest clue about a subject they feel the need to spout off on is staggering. How is it possible to be so wrong and to be so unaware of the damage that you are causing? If you do not vaccinate your child you decrease the herd immunity of our species. As the herd immunity decreases those too young to be vaccinated (who are also those most likely to die from it) have an increasing chance of catching it. Recorded incidents historically have seen 1 in 3 people die. If you hold opinion in the face of all scientific evidence then there is something very wrong with your head. If you think there is something wrong with science as a whole then I hope you are not so hypocritical as to continue using your household appliances, medical services, worldwide media networks, etc. I'll let you have your unnatural longevity, wealth and health because, unlike you, I'm not a petty minded idiot.

CHS wrote:
MediumRare

Real science or real crony capitalism? Incidentally, the CSM ceased exist a decade ago, so you may have a little difficulty contacting them.

MediumRare wrote:
Let's hope none of you anti inoculators want to send your kids off travelling when they're older. You wouldn't want them coming back like Ian Dury.

CHS wrote:
MediumRare

The problem doctors have is that they are dependent on vaccination for their income, it is professionally dangerous to question the authority of the DH, and they are obviously also scared to call into question the safety of their own practice. This is to point out the very high levels of institutional leverage, and the need to believe you are doing a good job. However, such is the level of institutional bias that the unsafety of the vaccine programme is virtually ensured.

Informedperson wrote:
To these people who are suggesting the MMR jab should be compulsory - do you all have the flu jab? If not, why not? Surely the same thing applies with the flu, supposedly a highly infectious disease that can cause death, or are you not sufficently brainwashed yet to believe that flu is dangerous? Same with chicken pox, there's a vaccine for that too. I have many references from BMJ and the Lancet showing vaccines to be ineffective and dangerous. Please state references where you sourced your mis-information.

Lorrales wrote:

anonymous coward wrote:
I see this article has brought out the absolutely worst of the Argus' Daily Mail reading, mentally retarded, selfish, short sighted, bigoted readers. The sheer number of people who haven't the faintest clue about a subject they feel the need to spout off on is staggering. How is it possible to be so wrong and to be so unaware of the damage that you are causing? If you do not vaccinate your child you decrease the herd immunity of our species. As the herd immunity decreases those too young to be vaccinated (who are also those most likely to die from it) have an increasing chance of catching it. Recorded incidents historically have seen 1 in 3 people die. If you hold opinion in the face of all scientific evidence then there is something very wrong with your head. If you think there is something wrong with science as a whole then I hope you are not so hypocritical as to continue using your household appliances, medical services, worldwide media networks, etc. I'll let you have your unnatural longevity, wealth and health because, unlike you, I'm not a petty minded idiot.

It seems to me that many parents, better informed than myself, speaking out against vaccination have refered to their source of information, documents and studies etc, whereas people like yourself have refered to nothing to back up their argument.....for a moment when I started reading your comment I thought it was directed at those who support compulsory vaccination because that's my sentiment exactly about people who would force me to do so despite all the available evidence.

beaucarrel wrote:
I shall now be asking patients, friends and relatives to ask their doctors and nurses why they are not using this safe effective cheap form of healing in order to save children from unneccesary suffering, it is easy to use and causes no harm, do they not have a duty of care to use what is available? Or are they soley in the power of the big pharma

If all parent are made aware of the effectriveness of homoeopathy then they will be well displeased if their child goes through much uneccesary suffering all because of the ego given to doctors and nurses during training/brainwashin

g.

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tamarque wrote:
Measles is not a dangerous illness. Further, once a child has gotten the illness, they have lifetime immunity. This is how the body builds real immunity.

The vaccine has never been proven safe or effective--just like all the other vaccines.

What is notable in this article is the the miniscule number of cases reported. 9 cases, or even 18 are a laughable number. Given the number of children who are regressively autistic after vaccinations, it is impossible to take a couple of cases of measles seriously. Good for those kids--they will have healthier bodies for the experience. Sorry for the families who live thru a few days with an unhappy child.

Despite the false belief systems of many people who know not when they are being manipulated, it is a very responsible parent who refuses to inject their child with poisons.

Ashles wrote:
"If all parent are made aware of the effectriveness of homoeopathy then they will be well displeased if their child goes through much uneccesary suffering all because of the ego given to doctors and nurses during training/brainwashin


g."
I agree, everyone should made aware of the effectiveness of homoeopathy - then nobody would ever use it. It has been discredited in study after study as completely ineffective (hardly surpsising as it consists literally of nothing but water).
The Lancet published an extensive meta-analysis of all available studies - again demonstrated to be completely ineffective.
There are thousands of studies demonstrating without doubt homoeopathy does nothing - yet some people still convince themselves it does. I wonder who is really brainwashed?
Now if you claim it is effective and you can demonstrate it, you can win One Million Dollars. All you have to do is devise a test that can demonstrate, any way you like, that a bottle of homoeopathic 'medicine' is different from a bottle of water.
Then go here: http://www.randi.org

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Think you can do this?

MediumRare wrote:

Erwin Alber wrote: I'd much rather that my child got the childhood diseases that the MMR vaccine is supposed to (but does not) prevent, than MMR-induced autism. To me, it's a no-brainer really, especially as the rubella component of the MMR is cultured on a cell line derived from aborted human foetus tissue and the measles component on measles virus- infected eggs. The vaccine is consequently contaminated with bits of bird viruses. There is therefore just no way I would let any of these brainwashed needle nuts get near any child of mine.

Oh dear oh dear. I do have children, two of them, who have both had the MMR without any side affect whatsoever. The reason there is a measles outbreak in Brighton is that it seems to attract the sort of idiotic middle class conspiracy theorist who would rather search the internet for years to find a couple of pages that support their paranoia than trust someone who has had literally years of training (in my GPs case specialised in Paediatrics). The MMR / Autism link has been disproved by every same medical thinker for literally years. You should maybe read Send in the idiots by Kamran Nazeer, an autistic himself who debunks it rather nicely.

Lorrales wrote:

MediumRare wrote:

Erwin Alber wrote: I'd much rather that my child got the childhood diseases that the MMR vaccine is supposed to (but does not) prevent, than MMR-induced autism. To me, it's a no-brainer really, especially as the rubella component of the MMR is cultured on a cell line derived from aborted human foetus tissue and the measles component on measles virus- infected eggs. The vaccine is consequently contaminated with bits of bird viruses. There is therefore just no way I would let any of these brainwashed needle nuts get near any child of mine.

Oh dear oh dear. I do have children, two of them, who have both had the MMR without any side affect whatsoever. The reason there is a measles outbreak in Brighton is that it seems to attract the sort of idiotic middle class conspiracy theorist who would rather search the internet for years to find a couple of pages that support their paranoia than trust someone who has had literally years of training (in my GPs case specialised in Paediatrics). The MMR / Autism link has been disproved by every same medical thinker for literally years. You should maybe read Send in the idiots by Kamran Nazeer, an autistic himself who debunks it rather nicely.

You do not know what they would have been like without vaccination? Therefore you can not know they had 'the mmr without any side effect whatsoever'.

Lorrales wrote:

MediumRare wrote:

Erwin Alber wrote: I'd much rather that my child got the childhood diseases that the MMR vaccine is supposed to (but does not) prevent, than MMR-induced autism. To me, it's a no-brainer really, especially as the rubella component of the MMR is cultured on a cell line derived from aborted human foetus tissue and the measles component on measles virus- infected eggs. The vaccine is consequently contaminated with bits of bird viruses. There is therefore just no way I would let any of these brainwashed needle nuts get near any child of mine.

Oh dear oh dear. I do have children, two of them, who have both had the MMR without any side affect whatsoever. The reason there is a measles outbreak in Brighton is that it seems to attract the sort of idiotic middle class conspiracy theorist who would rather search the internet for years to find a couple of pages that support their paranoia than trust someone who has had literally years of training (in my GPs case specialised in Paediatrics). The MMR / Autism link has been disproved by every same medical thinker for literally years. You should maybe read Send in the idiots by Kamran Nazeer, an autistic himself who debunks it rather nicely.

You do not know what they would have been like without vaccination? Therefore you can not know they had 'the mmr without any side effect whatsoever'.

MediumRare wrote:

Lorrales wrote:

MediumRare wrote:

Erwin Alber wrote: I'd much rather that my child got the childhood diseases that the MMR vaccine is supposed to (but does not) prevent, than MMR-induced autism. To me, it's a no-brainer really, especially as the rubella component of the MMR is cultured on a cell line derived from aborted human foetus tissue and the measles component on measles virus- infected eggs. The vaccine is consequently contaminated with bits of bird viruses. There is therefore just no way I would let any of these brainwashed needle nuts get near any child of mine.

Oh dear oh dear. I do have children, two of them, who have both had the MMR without any side affect whatsoever. The reason there is a measles outbreak in Brighton is that it seems to attract the sort of idiotic middle class conspiracy theorist who would rather search the internet for years to find a couple of pages that support their paranoia than trust someone who has had literally years of training (in my GPs case specialised in Paediatrics). The MMR / Autism link has been disproved by every same medical thinker for literally years. You should maybe read Send in the idiots by Kamran Nazeer, an autistic himself who debunks it rather nicely.

You do not know what they would have been like without vaccination? Therefore you can not know they had 'the mmr without any side effect whatsoever'.

Boy aged 5 never missed a day of school. Registered gifted & talented. Never had measles. Girl aged 13 months. Walking and starting to talk (which autistics can't). Never had measles. You're an idiot.

Ashles wrote:

Lorrales wrote:

MediumRare wrote:

Erwin Alber wrote: I'd much rather that my child got the childhood diseases that the MMR vaccine is supposed to (but does not) prevent, than MMR-induced autism. To me, it's a no-brainer really, especially as the rubella component of the MMR is cultured on a cell line derived from aborted human foetus tissue and the measles component on measles virus- infected eggs. The vaccine is consequently contaminated with bits of bird viruses. There is therefore just no way I would let any of these brainwashed needle nuts get near any child of mine.

Oh dear oh dear. I do have children, two of them, who have both had the MMR without any side affect whatsoever. The reason there is a measles outbreak in Brighton is that it seems to attract the sort of idiotic middle class conspiracy theorist who would rather search the internet for years to find a couple of pages that support their paranoia than trust someone who has had literally years of training (in my GPs case specialised in Paediatrics). The MMR / Autism link has been disproved by every same medical thinker for literally years. You should maybe read Send in the idiots by Kamran Nazeer, an autistic himself who debunks it rather nicely.

You do not know what they would have been like without vaccination? Therefore you can not know they had 'the mmr without any side effect whatsoever'.

Yes, perhaps they would have had superpowers - **** that evil MMR and it's effect of leaving children only normal and healthy.

Ashles wrote:
"Despite the false belief systems of many people who know not when they are being manipulated, it is a very responsible parent who refuses to inject their child with poisons." Anaesthetics are poisonous - presumably if your child needs surgery you will forbid them to have anaesthesia? Would that be what a 'responsible parent' would do? It's really embarassing when people talk nonsense like this - some substances which are 'poisonous' or harmful in some doses can still save your life.

AngelicDevil wrote:
Perhaps a little read up on child mortality in the Victorian era and prior to that would highlight why vaccination is so important.....

grace295 wrote:
I had all my vaccines as a child and weeks later also had measles, g measles, at 4 y/o had mumps, and at 5 chicken pox, what was the point of injecting the toxic substances into my body. Still have baby card from clinic showing that I came down with measles 2 weeks after vaccine at around 6 months old. Hmm wonder where I got them from. At 16 I then had the yr 10 injections and within 2 weeks was in hospital with "meningitis like" infection, closely followed by my 1st asthma attack continuing into permanent rhinitis. A few years later stupidly had another vaccine (can't remember which due to the brain hasn't worked properly since) and from then on suffered 4-5 years of the most horrific migraine headaches, constant for about 2 weeks at a time with a few hours break in between. My body was set off into the most horrific of autoimmune and neurological attacks. I know what hell I have been going thru for the past 15 yrs, can't imagine a child having to go thru this and I can imagine a parents lifetime denial that they had caused this to their child, but the least they can do is not let it happen again. Look around you people, friends and family are dropping like flies with diseases that were not around before mass immunisation. I know 10 people suffering from "epileptic like seizures", some happened within 12 hrs of a vaccine, you would be just plain stupid if you called this a coincidence. A close relative proved in court that a vaccine had caused her Lupus and RA as well as other autoimmune disorders, drs agreed. We are turning into 1 very sick society, I will take childhood illnesses over vaccines anytime. When they said aluminium was found in the brains of alzheimers patients and that mercury was causing neuro conditions, they made the aluminium can manufacturers line things with plastic and everyone rushed into get the mercury out of their teeth, so WHY are we now injecting this into our children. STUPID!!!!!!

Lorrales wrote:

Ashles wrote:

Lorrales wrote:

MediumRare wrote:

Erwin Alber wrote: I'd much rather that my child got the childhood diseases that the MMR vaccine is supposed to (but does not) prevent, than MMR-induced autism. To me, it's a no-brainer really, especially as the rubella component of the MMR is cultured on a cell line derived from aborted human foetus tissue and the measles component on measles virus- infected eggs. The vaccine is consequently contaminated with bits of bird viruses. There is therefore just no way I would let any of these brainwashed needle nuts get near any child of mine.

Oh dear oh dear. I do have children, two of them, who have both had the MMR without any side affect whatsoever. The reason there is a measles outbreak in Brighton is that it seems to attract the sort of idiotic middle class conspiracy theorist who would rather search the internet for years to find a couple of pages that support their paranoia than trust someone who has had literally years of training (in my GPs case specialised in Paediatrics). The MMR / Autism link has been disproved by every same medical thinker for literally years. You should maybe read Send in the idiots by Kamran Nazeer, an autistic himself who debunks it rather nicely.

You do not know what they would have been like without vaccination? Therefore you can not know they had 'the mmr without any side effect whatsoever'.

Yes, perhaps they would have had superpowers - **** that evil MMR and it's effect of leaving children only normal and healthy.

It doesn't leave 'children only normal and healthy'. What is normal and healthy nowadays? Too many children suffer with allergies, asthma, autism, cancer and many other ailments. Trivialising it just makes you an ill informed comedian.

grace295 wrote:
I had all my vaccines as a child and weeks later also had measles, g measles, at 4 y/o had mumps, and at 5 chicken pox, what was the point of injecting the toxic substances into my body. Still have baby card from clinic showing that I came down with measles 2 weeks after vaccine at around 6 months old. Hmm wonder where I got them from. At 16 I then had the yr 10 injections and within 2 weeks was in hospital with "meningitis like" infection, closely followed by my 1st asthma attack continuing into permanent rhinitis.

A few years later stupidly had another vaccine (can't remember which due to the brain hasn't worked properly since) and from then on suffered 4-5 years of the most horrific migraine headaches, constant for about 2 weeks at a time with a few hours break in between. My body was set off into the most horrific of autoimmune and neurological attacks. I know what hell I have been going thru for the past 15 yrs, can't imagine a child having to go thru this and I can imagine a parents lifetime denial that they had caused this to their child, but the least they can do is not let it happen again.

Look around you people, friends and family are dropping like flies with diseases that were not around before mass immunisation. I know 10 people suffering from "epileptic like seizures", some happened within 12 hrs of a vaccine, you would be just plain stupid if you called this a coincidence. A close relative proved in court that a vaccine had caused her Lupus and RA as well as other autoimmune disorders, drs agreed. We are turning into 1 very sick society, I will take childhood illnesses over vaccines anytime.

When they said aluminium was found in the brains of alzheimers patients and that mercury was causing neuro conditions, they made the aluminium can manufacturers line things with plastic and everyone rushed into get the mercury out of their teeth, so WHY are we now injecting this into our children. STUPID!!!!!!

keepinformed wrote:
By resorting to ridicule you show your argument is weak. This is simply playground bullying and shows you up for what you are.

The massive payouts are from Big Pharma and health authorities, for serious vaccine damage, not for trivial stuff. And you call me uninformed!

Lorrales wrote:

Ashles wrote: "Despite the false belief systems of many people who know not when they are being manipulated, it is a very responsible parent who refuses to inject their child with poisons." Anaesthetics are poisonous - presumably if your child needs surgery you will forbid them to have anaesthesia? Would that be what a 'responsible parent' would do? It's really embarassing when people talk nonsense like this - some substances which are 'poisonous' or harmful in some doses can still save your life.

Accepting life saving medications and proceedures when you're in a critical state is not the same and should not be compared to giving vaccines to otherwise well people. You can not know the vaccine will not harm you (adverse reactions exist, vaccine manufacturers list them) or that it will be of benefit to you; you may never be at risk from the illness you are inocculated with and even when inocculated you can still catch it.

beaucarrel wrote:
www.homoeopathicflu. com I have also just written a new book titled M.M.R this covers all childhood infectious diseases. It is wise to consider all options, not just the ones which can and do cause severe suffering worse than the actual disease. It is most irresponsible not to study all available information about vaccination, not doing so could give your child autism.

naturalhealth wrote:
Figures show that most of the children contracting measles has already been vaccinated - it does not confer immunity, it causes problems, as sadly many parents are beginning to realise, and the scientific community (supported by the black out created by the media), are locked into this narrow minded argument that vaccines are the answer. Thank goodness parents know better. The jury on vaccinations is still out; lets do more research, before we have yet more casualties. The very few children who have died from the complications of measles, sadly were kids from underprivileged social backgrounds, with poor nutrition and unloved.

beaucarrel wrote:
The burning question is; Why do they not train Doctors and nurses in Homoeopathy, this form of treatment has been shown to be totaly safe with no side effects and works well with infectious childhood diseases. Who is it who is stopping this from happening and depriving children of alternative effective treatment. Doctors have no answer to viral conditions and are reliant upon a greedy merciless group of pharmaceutical companies who want to make vaccinations compulsary to ensure their continued massive profits. Could these people fear the implementation of Homoeopathy in main straem medicine? I Know they do!!!!

keepinformed wrote:
Medium Rare: there was a recent, highprofile UK case, as I'm sure you know. This is a breakthrough because how do parents find the money to go up against the vested interests of government-sponsored vaccine manufacturers?

Remember the predictions of a big flu pandemic (predictions based on what?); HMG spent millions of pounds of taxpayers' money on vaccines, huge numbers of units of which weren't even used. But, hey, the manufacturer was quids in! And there wasn't even an epidemic. That was swine flu. Same thing with bird flu.

Pro-vaccination people on here accuse those who aren't in favour of scaremongering: it's the manufacturers who do that, and it happens again and again and the authorities never question why these predicted outbreaks don't occur, but dutifully fork out your money and mine. Hundreds die of seasonal flu in the UK every year, but the three dozen who died of swine flu made the headlines.

roofspace wrote:
I hope that the parent of any child not vaccinated who contracts measels and suffers serious consequences or death does not expect any understanding or sympathy for themselves, only their poor children who deserved more intelligent parents.

Almighty Sky Pixie wrote:
Anyone who believes in homeopathy is sadly misguided. It is a moronic irrational belief. I was subjected to lectures in homeopathy - I asked the pseudoscientist giving the lectures that, as greater dilutions increased potency, what on earth were the bottles washed with? Clean water would have been so ultra potent. My question got a good laugh, as intended. Succussion was an after-thought because it all just became a bit too embarassing - and homeopaths became worried that anyone could sell water and a few well-chosen lines of reassuring cattle-dung. Placebo effects are proven and scientifically verifiable - homeopathy hijacks the placebo effect for profit. The only nice thing about homeopathy is that, unlike medicines, it doesn't matter at all if one makes a mistake when dispensing anything homepathic - it can be safely dispensed by monkeys. Vaccinate for MMR - it saves many lives. Ridicule those that choose not to - it's not only their children that suffer disproportionally - it's other innocent children. Don't listen to morons and only 'weigh up' the evidence if you have a medical degree.

MediumRare wrote:
It's not gracious. Any GP will tell you the precise side effect risk of any innoculation I wanted you to link to that case because the full judgement states that it is isolated, that MMR is safe and that MMR does not cause autism.

Jenny Allan wrote:
Measles is highly infectious and can be nasty, but parents understandably still have concerns about the MMR vaccine, which contains three live viruses.
I am quite sure that more parents would be prepared to vaccinate their children if they were given the choice of single measles vaccinations. These were part of the UK vaccination programme, prior to the introduction of the MMR vaccine in 1988. The first MMR vaccine, Pluserix, which contained the Urabe mumps component, was previously banned in Canada and withdrawn in the UK in 2002 after causing untold adverse reactions. Robert Fletcher, who was profoundly disabled by the MMR vaccine, was finally compensated by the UK government 18 years after receiving the MMR vaccine.
Don't blame parents for their worries. Give them a proven safe CHOICE of vaccine for their children.

Informedperson wrote:
Regarding the actual original article, l spoke to the journalist who wrote the piece and asked her if she knew anything about vaccination at all, 'no' she replied, also l asked if she knew whether the children were vaccinated or not, 'nope' again. I was asked to write an 800 word article on vaccination as l've been studying the subject for 13 years and know more than most GP's about the subject. How do l know this? Because l've spoken to GP's, my own and also been to health meetings where we have had question and answer sessions with GP's and Health Visitors. They just 'believe' it works, they have no proof, they believe it because they've been told that it works. Same as the ignorant people in the comments above stating that being unvaccinated is irresponsible, etc etc, blah blah blah.

I don't know how many times l've said this but it's fairly easy to understand - my daughter caught measles from a VACCINATED boy, he'd HAD the MMR jab.

maybeitstrue wrote:
http://www.naturalne ws.com/034208_homeop athy_James_Randi.htm l Read the above article in full. You'll understand, unless you are pathologically incapable of doing so, some of the many reasons why homeopathy is attacked. I was one of the doubters, until it cured me, and later my dog. There is a huge fear of anything that we cannot fit into little boxes.

maybeitstrue wrote:
Scientism :the uncritical application of scientific or quasi-scientific methods to inappropriate fields of study or investigation The Lancet?? Are you serious? Why would a paper like that publish anything in support of homeopathy when homeopathy opposes allopathic medicine, of which The Lancet is a mouthpiece, funded partly by pharmaceutical companies. The first study is published by The Swiss federal government. Not good enough for you?

maybeitstrue wrote:
http://www.guardian. co.uk/commentisfree/ 2007/dec/19/comment. health?fb=native&amp
;CMP =FBCNETTXT9038 And here is the one you could not see. Do you guys belong to the flat earth society by any chance?

maybeitstrue wrote:
http://www.homeopath y.org/research/basic /Elia.pdf How about that one? I could probably cite references to 100 good quality research papers publish by bona vide Universities but I'm sure that wouldn't be enough for you

maybeitstrue wrote:
You obviously know very little about James Randi and his million dollar experiment. Do you know how many times he has pulled out when face dwith the possibility that he had to pull out. Oh and the experiment done by the University of Naples, http://www.homeopath y.org/research/basic /Elia.pdf is not good enough for you. The flat earth reference is because you blindly refuse to see that the memory of water is real. Refute the results of the above experiment if you can. I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it, simply because to do otherwise would mean admitting you are wrong.