Video: Occupy Brighton protest cleared from Victoria Gardens (From The Argus)

Hooray! The white, middle-class brats are going! No doubt Jennifer and Tarquins's mummy will drive down in the Range Rover to pick them up to take them back to Cheltenham.

What an absolute hoot pretending to be protesters was; they can brag to all of their chums back at the University of Hertfordshire that they helped change the world and smash capitalism by camping in Victoria Gardens for a few weeks...

Did anyone accuse the protestors of loitering within tent(s)?

A big thank you to the council for helping clear the site.

It was a shame, the camp started with good intentions and worked well for the first few weeks but as most of the people involved had jobs as well it was always going to be hard to maintain the camp.

I truly hope that the fact the camp became over-run with homeless/alcoholics and the 'street people' has not put people off the important issues we were campaigning about. Which if you don't know are...

Globally, corporations deprive the public purse of hundreds of billions of pounds each year, leaving insufficient funds to provide people with fair living standards.
We must abolish tax havens and complex tax avoidance schemes, and ensure corporations pay tax that accurately reflects their real profits.

Corporate lobbying subverts our democracy. Last year corporations spent £2 billion influencing the British government.
We believe exploitative corporate lobbying has no place in a democratic society. Legislation to ensure full and public transparency of all corporate lobbying activities must be put in place. This should be overseen by a credible and independent body, directly accountable to the people.

The existing system of corporate sanctions allows executives and board members to avoid individual responsibility for the consequences of their actions and inactions.
Those directly involved in the decision-making process must be held personally liable for their role in the misdeeds of their corporations and duly charged for all criminal behaviour.

The struggle continues, but not from Victoria Gardens any more.

Thanks to all the locals that put up with us over the last 6 weeks.

Well never thought the storm would do us all a favour,I hope details of those campers have been taken in order that charges can be raised for clearing the site, our council tax is expensive enough without this.

FalmerFever wrote:
Well never thought the storm would do us all a favour,I hope details of those campers have been taken in order that charges can be raised for clearing the site, our council tax is expensive enough without this.

I pay taxes to the council, they can take the money out of my contributions. ;)

p.s. We did clear up the park after White Night for the council so I think we can call it quits.

in fairness, the fact it took three men and a mechanical hoist to put a TENT into the back of a pickup does kind of support their point about money being squandered.

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
A big thank you to the council for helping clear the site.

It was a shame, the camp started with good intentions and worked well for the first few weeks but as most of the people involved had jobs as well it was always going to be hard to maintain the camp.

I truly hope that the fact the camp became over-run with homeless/alcoholics and the 'street people' has not put people off the important issues we were campaigning about. Which if you don't know are...

Globally, corporations deprive the public purse of hundreds of billions of pounds each year, leaving insufficient funds to provide people with fair living standards.
We must abolish tax havens and complex tax avoidance schemes, and ensure corporations pay tax that accurately reflects their real profits.

Corporate lobbying subverts our democracy. Last year corporations spent £2 billion influencing the British government.
We believe exploitative corporate lobbying has no place in a democratic society. Legislation to ensure full and public transparency of all corporate lobbying activities must be put in place. This should be overseen by a credible and independent body, directly accountable to the people.

The existing system of corporate sanctions allows executives and board members to avoid individual responsibility for the consequences of their actions and inactions.
Those directly involved in the decision-making process must be held personally liable for their role in the misdeeds of their corporations and duly charged for all criminal behaviour.

The struggle continues, but not from Victoria Gardens any more.

Thanks to all the locals that put up with us over the last 6 weeks.

Fair play to you, but ultimately it was a waste of time as you were camping in the wrong place; you should have massed all your forces together in one protest camp in London. Your Brighton camp didn't tell us anything that we didn't already know from listening to the London protestors - all you've done is annoy Brighton people who know they've got to foot the bill for the clean-up and to undo the environmental damage you've caused.

I know you won't agree with me but you've put in a lot of effort for nil return, which is a shame.

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:

FalmerFever wrote:
Well never thought the storm would do us all a favour,I hope details of those campers have been taken in order that charges can be raised for clearing the site, our council tax is expensive enough without this.

I pay taxes to the council, they can take the money out of my contributions. ;)

p.s. We did clear up the park after White Night for the council so I think we can call it quits.

"WHITE NIGHT"?? - more racist claptrap from this front for the UKIP/EDL wing.

What a joke! Do they really need a crane to lift a couple of tents!?!?

UppityPrimate wrote:
in fairness, the fact it took three men and a mechanical hoist to put a TENT into the back of a pickup does kind of support their point about money being squandered.

Ah, but I'm hoping this was because there was someone inside :)

Diaper Sector wrote:
Hooray! The white, middle-class brats are going! No doubt Jennifer and Tarquins's mummy will drive down in the Range Rover to pick them up to take them back to Cheltenham.

What an absolute hoot pretending to be protesters was; they can brag to all of their chums back at the University of Hertfordshire that they helped change the world and smash capitalism by camping in Victoria Gardens for a few weeks...

I wish you wealthy people would make up your mind. One minute they're homeless people and the next they're all trustafarians.

Will your feelings change later in life? I mean, not all your grandchildren will be able to be the 1%.

"Globally, corporations deprive the public purse of hundreds of billions of pounds each year, leaving insufficient funds to provide people with fair living standards. "
They actually still pay billions in tax. If the tax structure is altered to an extent that these companies move elsewhere you won't get that tax. Unless you have a way of altering taxation structure everywhere on earth simultaneously, there is always going to be a degree of tax breaks for large corporations so they stay in the country. Amex is a good local example - In the words of Tony Mernagh, executive director of Brighton and Hove Economic Forum, Amex staying in Brighton "is a testament to the council’s ability to identify the needs of an employer and bend over backwards to accommodate them." They have negotiated very favourable local terms as an incentive to staying in Brighton. (Amex also does not recognise trade unions.)
However would you prefer the rules were stringently applied to Amex, even if it meant they moved their headquarters out of Brighton (and the subsequent loss of jobs)?
Preferential deals to keep large companies in your city or country are a reality of politics and finance. Simply wishing it weren;t so isn't going to change anything.
"We must abolish tax havens and complex tax avoidance schemes, and ensure corporations pay tax that accurately reflects their real profits."
How is even the British Government to abolish Tax Haves over which they have no influence?
Sure they could penalise companies that used tax havens but, as mentioned above, the companies would then move elsewhere, leaving us with less income from those companies tax, less money for public sector... more job and pay cuts.
"Corporate lobbying subverts our democracy. Last year corporations spent £2 billion influencing the British government.
We believe exploitative corporate lobbying has no place in a democratic society. Legislation to ensure full and public transparency of all corporate lobbying activities must be put in place. This should be overseen by a credible and independent body, directly accountable to the people."
i agree with this. But how does erecting tents in Brighton achieve this? It has absolutely no impact whatsoever on political decision makers. Why not campaign actually near politicians in London? Better still lobby MPs for this directly. What about applying for government personally and trying to get elected on a Corporate transparency platform? Anything seems like it might be more effective than erecting tents in a camp in Brighton.
"The existing system of corporate sanctions allows executives and board members to avoid individual responsibility for the consequences of their actions and inactions."
Well firstly I wish people understood this a little better. If a company is private then does it not retain the right to reward/penalise its board members as it sees fit?
Now when it comes to banks that have been bailed out by public funds then I agree there should be government oversight of Board members and direct accountability. But for any bank (or other company) that has taken absolutely no public money, should they not be allowed to retain whatever internal reward sytems they choose?
"Those directly involved in the decision-making process must be held personally liable for their role in the misdeeds of their corporations and duly charged for all criminal behaviour."
Which individuals are you referring to who have committed crimes and not been prosecuted?

Fercri Sakes wrote:

Diaper Sector wrote: Hooray! The white, middle-class brats are going! No doubt Jennifer and Tarquins's mummy will drive down in the Range Rover to pick them up to take them back to Cheltenham. What an absolute hoot pretending to be protesters was; they can brag to all of their chums back at the University of Hertfordshire that they helped change the world and smash capitalism by camping in Victoria Gardens for a few weeks...

I wish you wealthy people would make up your mind. One minute they're homeless people and the next they're all trustafarians. Will your feelings change later in life? I mean, not all your grandchildren will be able to be the 1%.

Quite. Just waiting for the comments about the "Great Washed", and calls for them to "lose a job".

Fercri Sakes wrote:

Diaper Sector wrote:
Hooray! The white, middle-class brats are going! No doubt Jennifer and Tarquins's mummy will drive down in the Range Rover to pick them up to take them back to Cheltenham.

What an absolute hoot pretending to be protesters was; they can brag to all of their chums back at the University of Hertfordshire that they helped change the world and smash capitalism by camping in Victoria Gardens for a few weeks...

I wish you wealthy people would make up your mind. One minute they're homeless people and the next they're all trustafarians.

Will your feelings change later in life? I mean, not all your grandchildren will be able to be the 1%.

I've never said that they were homeless people, and despite your assertion, I am not a wealthy person. I'm just angry that these brats have caused so much damage to the area which needed the Environment Agency to be called in, as the 'ptotesters' were defecating into carrier bags and dumping them in the area.

The photo of the girl at Occupy Brighton sitting beside a sign saying 'Smash Capitalism', but holding a Starbucks coffee mug, wearing a Berghaus coat and typing on an iPad pretty much sums up this bunch of all-white, middle-class kids, having a bit of a laugh and pretending to 'slum it' before going back home to mummy and daddy in Cheltenham. Sebastian and Jennifer have been blogging about it so that their chums at Pony Club can read about it!

Fercri Sakes wrote:

Diaper Sector wrote:
Hooray! The white, middle-class brats are going! No doubt Jennifer and Tarquins's mummy will drive down in the Range Rover to pick them up to take them back to Cheltenham.

What an absolute hoot pretending to be protesters was; they can brag to all of their chums back at the University of Hertfordshire that they helped change the world and smash capitalism by camping in Victoria Gardens for a few weeks...

I wish you wealthy people would make up your mind. One minute they're homeless people and the next they're all trustafarians.

Will your feelings change later in life? I mean, not all your grandchildren will be able to be the 1%.

What makes you think we'll be breeding? Personally I've gone gay to help the environment.

In Reply to Ashles.

1) The argument that if you tax a company more they will leave the country and the jobs will be lost. This to me is like saying 'cars will put out of work all the people who work with horses'. Now I know it's not exactly the same but throughout history one business dies and another takes its place. Also the Occupy movement is global and we realise that some things will have to change globally to stop big business threatening stuff like moving abroad if you tax them reasonably.

2) You may not know it but we DO have a tax haven right here in England. Look up Tax Havens on wiki and you will see that the City of London is one. Not many people knew that but more do now because we have been telling them. Many call this the "global headquarters for fraud" as a lot of the current financial problems we now face can be directly linked back to how this square mile is run. Read up on it, the more you read the worse it gets!

3) In my personal opinion complaining to politicians is about as good as shouting into the wind. If they can ignore something as big as the anti-Iraq war protest then why would they listen to me? This is something that a lot of people visiting the camp have said. The idea of the camp in Brighton was to support the people up in London and inform the local people. In fact quite a few who were in Brighton have moved up to London. After the first 2-3 weeks we had reached out to most people in the local area and even then started talking about moving the camp on. Unfortunately this never happened and the camp fell apart.

One final point. The camp was set up by people who had never meet before. It was hard to work out who was really dedicated and who was just popping in. Though now we do have a hard core of people who are dedicated to work together and try and tackle the issues and how to get the government to listen to us locally, nationally and globally. This weekend there is the 2nd National meet-up of all the camps around the country (about 50 I think) and once we get established then we will be working with other countries too (about 3,000 moments globally).

It's early days and we never though we would change the world from a camp in Brighton or within a few weeks. It was productive but now time to move on...

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
In Reply to Ashles.

1) The argument that if you tax a company more they will leave the country and the jobs will be lost. This to me is like saying 'cars will put out of work all the people who work with horses'. Now I know it's not exactly the same but throughout history one business dies and another takes its place. Also the Occupy movement is global and we realise that some things will have to change globally to stop big business threatening stuff like moving abroad if you tax them reasonably.

2) You may not know it but we DO have a tax haven right here in England. Look up Tax Havens on wiki and you will see that the City of London is one. Not many people knew that but more do now because we have been telling them. Many call this the "global headquarters for fraud" as a lot of the current financial problems we now face can be directly linked back to how this square mile is run. Read up on it, the more you read the worse it gets!

3) In my personal opinion complaining to politicians is about as good as shouting into the wind. If they can ignore something as big as the anti-Iraq war protest then why would they listen to me? This is something that a lot of people visiting the camp have said. The idea of the camp in Brighton was to support the people up in London and inform the local people. In fact quite a few who were in Brighton have moved up to London. After the first 2-3 weeks we had reached out to most people in the local area and even then started talking about moving the camp on. Unfortunately this never happened and the camp fell apart.

One final point. The camp was set up by people who had never meet before. It was hard to work out who was really dedicated and who was just popping in. Though now we do have a hard core of people who are dedicated to work together and try and tackle the issues and how to get the government to listen to us locally, nationally and globally. This weekend there is the 2nd National meet-up of all the camps around the country (about 50 I think) and once we get established then we will be working with other countries too (about 3,000 moments globally).

It's early days and we never though we would change the world from a camp in Brighton or within a few weeks. It was productive but now time to move on...

Nobody knew what you were at the camp for, because you did NOT engage with local people; I polled a number of my work colleagues and they gave credence to the assumption that the protestors were a bunch of middle-class university students pretending to change the world (one poster on FaceBook compared the camp to having the same effect as Mandela and Gahndi; seriously).

You annoyed a great many people a) because of the damage you did to the area and b) you decided to take over a public place, just because you thought you had a right to

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
A big thank you to the council for helping clear the site.

It was a shame, the camp started with good intentions and worked well for the first few weeks but as most of the people involved had jobs as well it was always going to be hard to maintain the camp.

I truly hope that the fact the camp became over-run with homeless/alcoholics and the 'street people' has not put people off the important issues we were campaigning about. Which if you don't know are...

Globally, corporations deprive the public purse of hundreds of billions of pounds each year, leaving insufficient funds to provide people with fair living standards.
We must abolish tax havens and complex tax avoidance schemes, and ensure corporations pay tax that accurately reflects their real profits.

Corporate lobbying subverts our democracy. Last year corporations spent £2 billion influencing the British government.
We believe exploitative corporate lobbying has no place in a democratic society. Legislation to ensure full and public transparency of all corporate lobbying activities must be put in place. This should be overseen by a credible and independent body, directly accountable to the people.

The existing system of corporate sanctions allows executives and board members to avoid individual responsibility for the consequences of their actions and inactions.
Those directly involved in the decision-making process must be held personally liable for their role in the misdeeds of their corporations and duly charged for all criminal behaviour.

The struggle continues, but not from Victoria Gardens any more.

Thanks to all the locals that put up with us over the last 6 weeks.

You've already been found out to be an internet troll on the other thread with your stupid comments so don't insult our intelligence by now coming out with 'normal' posts.

If they need replacements following the storm damage they can come along to Millets as .....
'this is the Winter of our discount tents'

'The photo of the girl at Occupy Brighton sitting beside a sign saying 'Smash Capitalism', but holding a Starbucks coffee mug, wearing a Berghaus coat and typing on an iPad pretty much sums up this bunch of all-white, middle-class kids, having a bit of a laugh and pretending to 'slum it' before going back home to mummy and daddy in Cheltenham.'

I've not seen a photo from Brighton like this, though I have seen one which I think was from London or somewhere in the US. I never saw an ipad at the site and most of the coffee that was bought off site was from the all night café.

Even if it was from Brighton I don't see the hypocrisy in it as being that bad. We are not fighting to stop people having Apple products, not trying to take money from people who get paid 50,000 or even 150,000. Mainly we are after people like the "top one thousandth of the British working population currently receives 5 per cent of the country's earnings" . Along with companies like Vodafone and Sky who manage to get away with paying next to no tax some years (and probably will not leave the country).

Apart from the homeless people we allowed to stay at the camp over 50% of the people there have jobs and can afford things. There is no crime in them buying expensive stuff with the money they have worked for.

This movement is about bigger things than that.

"1) The argument that if you tax a company more they will leave the country and the jobs will be lost. This to me is like saying 'cars will put out of work all the people who work with horses'. Now I know it's not exactly the same but throughout history one business dies and another takes its place."
No that analogy doesn't work. The companies will still exist exactly as before, but will just move to a different location. No company will move to replace it as it will not be financially worth its while.
"Also the Occupy movement is global"
Well, perhaps by a rather generous definition of the word 'global'. A few similar camps in other places isn't exactly a global force to be reckoned with. I recently saw a bunch of tents with 'protesters' under a bank building in Hong Kong and the locals were getting pretty fed up of them there too. In the paper they were becoming something of a local joke. Last I heard they were planning on moving to a different area to protest - an area which had less financial institutions and more bars and clubs. Sort of like Brighton.
"and we realise that some things will have to change globally to stop big business threatening stuff like moving abroad if you tax them reasonably."
But from that it doesn't sound like you have any idea how to go about actually achieving that. Simply saying something 'has to change' globally isn't going to make it happen without any plausible proposal to actually achieve this.
"2) You may not know it but we DO have a tax haven right here in England. Look up Tax Havens on wiki and you will see that the City of London is one. Not many people knew that but more do now because we have been telling them."
Well I looked it up. The claim it is a Tax Haven is very misleading indeed and it is certainly not recognised as a Tax haven as, for example the Cayman Islands would be.
I have found sites specifically mentioning that it is NOT a Tax Haven (because misinformation has been promoted regarding this).
Look it up. The City is Not a Tax Haven - if it were perhaps all the big investment banks might be located there rather than moving to Canary Wharf.
"Many call this the "global headquarters for fraud" as a lot of the current financial problems we now face can be directly linked back to how this square mile is run. Read up on it, the more you read the worse it gets!"
Most can be traced back to the way the US ran its banking industry at a governmental level (but there has also been some colossal mismanagement by UK banks).
"3) In my personal opinion complaining to politicians is about as good as shouting into the wind. If they can ignore something as big as the anti-Iraq war protest then why would they listen to me? This is something that a lot of people visiting the camp have said."
Well they are the only ones who can effect governmental reform. They might have slightly more influence on government policy than people driving along the Old Steine or dog walkers. If you don't believe there is any way to affect politicians or government then i am even more confused as to what you think you will achieve?
"The idea of the camp in Brighton was to support the people up in London and inform the local people. In fact quite a few who were in Brighton have moved up to London. After the first 2-3 weeks we had reached out to most people in the local area and even then started talking about moving the camp on. Unfortunately this never happened and the camp fell apart."
The aims are to be commended but I genuinely do not see that a protest camp will ever make a single bit of difference to those with the power to make changes. There are better ways to direct a desire for change than one that is very easy to ignore and irritates a lot of local people.
Also if you want to propose aims that risk huge companies (and huge tax-payers) leaving the country, then you also need to propose mechanisms by which their departure can be prevented.

Captain Gardiner wrote:
If they need replacements following the storm damage they can come along to Millets as .....
'this is the Winter of our discount tents'

/applauds/

AmboGuy wrote:

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
A big thank you to the council for helping clear the site.

It was a shame, the camp started with good intentions and worked well for the first few weeks but as most of the people involved had jobs as well it was always going to be hard to maintain the camp.

I truly hope that the fact the camp became over-run with homeless/alcoholics and the 'street people' has not put people off the important issues we were campaigning about. Which if you don't know are...

Globally, corporations deprive the public purse of hundreds of billions of pounds each year, leaving insufficient funds to provide people with fair living standards.
We must abolish tax havens and complex tax avoidance schemes, and ensure corporations pay tax that accurately reflects their real profits.

Corporate lobbying subverts our democracy. Last year corporations spent £2 billion influencing the British government.
We believe exploitative corporate lobbying has no place in a democratic society. Legislation to ensure full and public transparency of all corporate lobbying activities must be put in place. This should be overseen by a credible and independent body, directly accountable to the people.

The existing system of corporate sanctions allows executives and board members to avoid individual responsibility for the consequences of their actions and inactions.
Those directly involved in the decision-making process must be held personally liable for their role in the misdeeds of their corporations and duly charged for all criminal behaviour.

The struggle continues, but not from Victoria Gardens any more.

Thanks to all the locals that put up with us over the last 6 weeks.

You've already been found out to be an internet troll on the other thread with your stupid comments so don't insult our intelligence by now coming out with 'normal' posts.

Says the chief Argus forum Troll...LMFAO!

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
'The photo of the girl at Occupy Brighton sitting beside a sign saying 'Smash Capitalism', but holding a Starbucks coffee mug, wearing a Berghaus coat and typing on an iPad pretty much sums up this bunch of all-white, middle-class kids, having a bit of a laugh and pretending to 'slum it' before going back home to mummy and daddy in Cheltenham.'

I've not seen a photo from Brighton like this, though I have seen one which I think was from London or somewhere in the US. I never saw an ipad at the site and most of the coffee that was bought off site was from the all night café.

Even if it was from Brighton I don't see the hypocrisy in it as being that bad. We are not fighting to stop people having Apple products, not trying to take money from people who get paid 50,000 or even 150,000. Mainly we are after people like the "top one thousandth of the British working population currently receives 5 per cent of the country's earnings" . Along with companies like Vodafone and Sky who manage to get away with paying next to no tax some years (and probably will not leave the country).

Apart from the homeless people we allowed to stay at the camp over 50% of the people there have jobs and can afford things. There is no crime in them buying expensive stuff with the money they have worked for.

This movement is about bigger things than that.

Bye then

Wish you all the best for your next month, split between the Maldives and Cheltenham.

Looking forward to seeing you and yours as you drop in and out of Brighton, claiming support for a broad and no doubt radical range of ridiculous causes over the spring and summer months.

Oh how I laugh at you, oh how we laugh at you

Wake up and smell the coffee...yawn

Live cast from the Druids..

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw

You might be p***ed but won't be missed!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Occupy Brighton Supporter, I am afraid Ashles and the others are right, we should swallow our pride, be permanently on bended knee and beg for the few crumbs that the super wealthy and multinational corporations feel enclined to drop upon us from great height. Meantime, we should continue to pay heavy taxes from our meagre wages to provide protection, both finacial and military for our betters and to clear up their financial mess by years of cuts and austerity. You better learn to doff your cap if you know what is good for you.

HJarrs wrote:
Occupy Brighton Supporter, I am afraid Ashles and the others are right, we should swallow our pride, be permanently on bended knee and beg for the few crumbs that the super wealthy and multinational corporations feel enclined to drop upon us from great height. Meantime, we should continue to pay heavy taxes from our meagre wages to provide protection, both finacial and military for our betters and to clear up their financial mess by years of cuts and austerity. You better learn to doff your cap if you know what is good for you.

LOL waster

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

HJarrs wrote: Occupy Brighton Supporter, I am afraid Ashles and the others are right, we should swallow our pride, be permanently on bended knee and beg for the few crumbs that the super wealthy and multinational corporations feel enclined to drop upon us from great height. Meantime, we should continue to pay heavy taxes from our meagre wages to provide protection, both finacial and military for our betters and to clear up their financial mess by years of cuts and austerity. You better learn to doff your cap if you know what is good for you.

LOL waster

I think you will find that is tax payer. Ho, ho, ho.

HJarrs wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

HJarrs wrote: Occupy Brighton Supporter, I am afraid Ashles and the others are right, we should swallow our pride, be permanently on bended knee and beg for the few crumbs that the super wealthy and multinational corporations feel enclined to drop upon us from great height. Meantime, we should continue to pay heavy taxes from our meagre wages to provide protection, both finacial and military for our betters and to clear up their financial mess by years of cuts and austerity. You better learn to doff your cap if you know what is good for you.

LOL waster

I think you will find that is tax payer. Ho, ho, ho.

About as clear as the objectives of the squat. LOL Waster

now where on your self promoting occupy Brighton (not Hove actually) blog did you say you were over run by (now you finally admit it ) drunks and homeless people in your drink/drug free zone?

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

HJarrs wrote: Occupy Brighton Supporter, I am afraid Ashles and the others are right, we should swallow our pride, be permanently on bended knee and beg for the few crumbs that the super wealthy and multinational corporations feel enclined to drop upon us from great height. Meantime, we should continue to pay heavy taxes from our meagre wages to provide protection, both finacial and military for our betters and to clear up their financial mess by years of cuts and austerity. You better learn to doff your cap if you know what is good for you.

LOL waster

I think you will find that is tax payer. Ho, ho, ho.

About as clear as the objectives of the squat. LOL Waster

From a house dwelling, non-uni grad, older-middle-aged, in-work, tax paying bod, @"Bladesboy Returns" if you can't understand these comments it just shows what education could do for some.
Other threads on here seem to clearly identify the purpose of the protesters (who at the time I wasn't convinced were right in their actions - but couldn't see they were harming anyone and still can't), but the counter arguments against them have done even more to convince me I should support them. Counter protesters give up now you've failed and only increased support for the cause you condemn.
As far as companies leaving if they're taxed - they won't leave the source of their money just their posh offices so make the taxing the earning of money in this country unavoidable.
(For those who are more preoccupied in grammar than justice I don't care if my spelling and punctuation, et al are wrong; so long as I speak up for justice.)

It has been clear from the start this "protest" had very little support and I find it fitting that the plan to invite drunks to camp with them to boost numbers backfired. How many "occupiers" where actually there for the "cause" (whatever that might be, they all seem to have a different opinion)?

Either way they clearly weren't very committed as now the weather has turned bad they've gone home, as predicted by many on here and elsewhere in the real world.

HJarrs wrote:
Occupy Brighton Supporter, I am afraid Ashles and the others are right, we should swallow our pride, be permanently on bended knee and beg for the few crumbs that the super wealthy and multinational corporations feel enclined to drop upon us from great height. Meantime, we should continue to pay heavy taxes from our meagre wages to provide protection, both finacial and military for our betters and to clear up their financial mess by years of cuts and austerity. You better learn to doff your cap if you know what is good for you.

Well actually I was giving Occupy Brighton Supporter of discussing it like a grown up. Do you have an actual alternative to the current system? Or are you content with just somehow trying to wish it away?
Responses like yours are exactly why people do not take the 'protestors' seriously.

"As far as companies leaving if they're taxed - they won't leave the source of their money just their posh offices so make the taxing the earning of money in this country unavoidable."
I am assuming you mean 'avoidable', as in the companies will continue to make the money in this country but move their head offices elsewhere in order to pay less tax. So we are still giving them money but this country does not receive the tax. That was exactly my point.
So how do you prevent this? How do you remove tax breaks for huge companies, but prevent them from moving (their tax status) elsewhere? That is one of the key questions. I can't personally currently see an alternative.
If you can, brilliant, let's hear it and see what we can do to implement it. But without a viable alternative, bemoaning the current system is not going to achieve anything
(BTW, just out of interest, what do you mean by non-Uni grad?)

Ashles wrote:
"As far as companies leaving if they're taxed - they won't leave the source of their money just their posh offices so make the taxing the earning of money in this country unavoidable."
I am assuming you mean 'avoidable', as in the companies will continue to make the money in this country but move their head offices elsewhere in order to pay less tax. So we are still giving them money but this country does not receive the tax. That was exactly my point.
So how do you prevent this? How do you remove tax breaks for huge companies, but prevent them from moving (their tax status) elsewhere? That is one of the key questions. I can't personally currently see an alternative.
If you can, brilliant, let's hear it and see what we can do to implement it. But without a viable alternative, bemoaning the current system is not going to achieve anything
(BTW, just out of interest, what do you mean by non-Uni grad?)

That's been shown to be false. Companies rarely up sticks and leave just because a few tax loopholes get shut down. It's a bluff.

It's interesting to see the last vestige of the classic British servile class still here on these boards. CEO's get 50% pay rises while half a million get laid off. And yet commentators here attack the only people willing to try and reverse that trend. Too much cap doffing and not enough thinking.

D360 wrote:
It has been clear from the start this "protest" had very little support and I find it fitting that the plan to invite drunks to camp with them to boost numbers backfired. How many "occupiers" where actually there for the "cause" (whatever that might be, they all seem to have a different opinion)?

Either way they clearly weren't very committed as now the weather has turned bad they've gone home, as predicted by many on here and elsewhere in the real world.

As others have said the weather will not stop us from raising awareness to our cause. There are plans for a new camp to go up in the coming weeks once the winds have died down and we are looking at a couple of sites around Brighton. Our cause is just too important for us to put deterred by bad weather.

Fecri Sakes, you may have a problem setting up another camp. From the BBCs report about the clearance of this site it seems that some of the protestors set fire to tents and furniture and then attacked a member of the firebrigade when they came to put the fire out. Cllr Bill Randall was quoted as saying the because of this no other such protests would be tolerated. Typical of Ben Duncan to ignore this. Whilst I supported some of the protestors aims, I always thought their methods were pointless and gave them no leverage to apply to those whose behaviour they wished to change. Just like the Occupy movement in London, crapping in St Pauls is not going to change the behaviour of Bankers.

JHunty wrote:
Fecri Sakes, you may have a problem setting up another camp. From the BBCs report about the clearance of this site it seems that some of the protestors set fire to tents and furniture and then attacked a member of the firebrigade when they came to put the fire out. Cllr Bill Randall was quoted as saying the because of this no other such protests would be tolerated. Typical of Ben Duncan to ignore this. Whilst I supported some of the protestors aims, I always thought their methods were pointless and gave them no leverage to apply to those whose behaviour they wished to change. Just like the Occupy movement in London, crapping in St Pauls is not going to change the behaviour of Bankers.

I have no information on this happening. Maybe you could post the link on here as I have not heard of the fire brigade being attacked by anyone in our camp.

"That's been shown to be false. Companies rarely up sticks and leave just because a few tax loopholes get shut down."
So now you're saying these Tax Loopholes DO get shut down? Speak to Occupy Brighton Supporter - he seems to think they don't.
So now it's even more confusing - what is your issue if the tax loopholes have been shut down and the companies are paying the tax they should be paying? It seems like you are trying to have the argument both ways.
"It's a bluff. It's interesting to see the last vestige of the classic British servile class still here on these boards."
This is just random nonsense now. Who is 'servile' and what has that irrelevence got to do with anything? That cuts have to be made somewhere in public spending is not in doubt. The money has to come from somewhere. I don't want to see any nurses lose there jobs more than anywhere else. Now if people were protesting for unnecessary layers of local government and vast reduction of admin teams or multi million pound advice groups set up to no clear purpose then I think a huge saving could be made there.
"CEO's get 50% pay rises while half a million get laid off."
And if the CEO is of a private company that pays a huge amount of (correct) tax, employs many thousands of people and has had a succesful year, why exactly is that wrong?
It's a very lazy and false correlation to simple compare ALL CEOs and contrast with ALL people being laid off.
Plus if anything I think that is the 'servile' attitude - to dislike a CEO simply because they have more money than you. (Obviously CEOs in charge when companies perform badly or irresponsibly should be penalised accordingly - I agree that is something that should be drastically reviewed but in many cases it is a private company so it's the company's own profits it is squandering on a failure CEO)
"And yet commentators here attack the only people willing to try and reverse that trend. Too much cap doffing and not enough thinking. "
I agree you have not being doing enough thinking. And you're the only one going on about outdated class warfare (which is not what this is about).
Attack the problem, or the argument, not some silly strawman.

Fecri Sakes wrote:

D360 wrote: It has been clear from the start this "protest" had very little support and I find it fitting that the plan to invite drunks to camp with them to boost numbers backfired. How many "occupiers" where actually there for the "cause" (whatever that might be, they all seem to have a different opinion)? Either way they clearly weren't very committed as now the weather has turned bad they've gone home, as predicted by many on here and elsewhere in the real world.

As others have said the weather will not stop us from raising awareness to our cause. There are plans for a new camp to go up in the coming weeks once the winds have died down and we are looking at a couple of sites around Brighton. Our cause is just too important for us to put deterred by bad weather.

The bad weather HAS deterred the cause because they have gone. Also since the taxpayers had to foot the bill for the cleanup then it should make you feel bad that that money was wasted! It could have been spent on education or health, but no, it had to be spent on cleaning up your rubbish. You are hurting the people of Brighton.

"As others have said the weather will not stop us from raising awareness to our cause."
Awareness of what? Can you name one issue on your agenda that you feel the average person in Brighton and Hove is not currently aware of, that they continued to remain unaware of while you were camped in Victoria Gardens, but which they WILL become aware of by your sleeping in a tent in a different location?

Wow, somebody is trying to emulate me using the name 'Fecri Sakes'. What a lonely little person they must be.

Fecri Sakes wrote:

JHunty wrote:
Fecri Sakes, you may have a problem setting up another camp. From the BBCs report about the clearance of this site it seems that some of the protestors set fire to tents and furniture and then attacked a member of the firebrigade when they came to put the fire out. Cllr Bill Randall was quoted as saying the because of this no other such protests would be tolerated. Typical of Ben Duncan to ignore this. Whilst I supported some of the protestors aims, I always thought their methods were pointless and gave them no leverage to apply to those whose behaviour they wished to change. Just like the Occupy movement in London, crapping in St Pauls is not going to change the behaviour of Bankers.

I have no information on this happening. Maybe you could post the link on here as I have not heard of the fire brigade being attacked by anyone in our camp.

Please allow me...........
http://www.brightona
ndhovenews.org/2011/
12/fireman-attacked-
as-protesters-quit-o
ccupy-brighton-camp/


No doubt they'll put this down to 'a few bad apples' or 'They weren't with us' but they've really shown their true colours now.

Campaigners should do something more worthwhile with their time / lives if they are truly serious about their mission and any talk about doing this again.

Otherwise they are a bad joke at the expense of local taxpayers - in footing the bill clearing up after them and making the city look like a refugee camp - when we need all the tourism we can get to keep our shops and businesses from all closing. If they have a problem with commerce at the smaller end of the scale - they need to think about who pays taxes so that they can continue sponging and living on benefits as they mostly all do.

Camping out at a holiday resort is hardly going to change any capitalist regimes.

NB: Enjoyed the video footage with the buldozer removing the scuzzy tents - hoorah! Shame nobody was at home at the time.

'That's been shown to be false. Companies rarely up sticks and leave just because a few tax loopholes get shut down.'

"So now you're saying these Tax Loopholes DO get shut down? Speak to Occupy Brighton Supporter - he seems to think they don't."

I think your logic is like that of the people who tar all the Occupy Brighton supporters with the same brush and saying that we are all violent drunk sc*m because a few people caused a problem.

"because a FEW tax loopholes get shut down"

You magically turn a comment saying a few tax loopholes get shut down into a statement implying ALL get shut down.

It's like the people that will pull out the bit about violence in the BBC article and ignore the comments by Chief Inspector Simon Nelson

“It is disappointing that after many weeks of peaceful occupation an event ... Most of the occupiers were committed to a peaceful protest and even assisted with clearing the site, but over a period of time the camp had been infiltrated by others who did not share this commitment."

The police were in regular contact and knew what was happening at the camp throughout the occupation. Even they admit that it was the 'others' not committed to our cause that caused the trouble and ultimately caused the end of the camp.

I was not there when the fire started but from what I've heard it was not an accident and was not an out of control fire in a tent, instead something much more malicious. Even the attacking of the fire person I believe was someone who was not part of the movement.

We did put down some seeds and manure yesterday, even though it's the wrong time of the year and we as a group are committed to restoring the park to probably better than when we found it.

Once again a big thanks to all the wonderful people we meet in the local area.

"You magically turn a comment saying a few tax loopholes get shut down into a statement implying ALL get shut down. "
Well this is all getting a bit vague now.
How many tax loopholes have been shut down? How many are outstanding? Which specific ones?What companies have been affected and to what extent.
Wouldn't this be more useful information to know and make people aware of? Specifics that people could lobby MPs about and ask them to raise in parliament. (Oh hang on - you don't believe it does any good to complain to politicians so... er... what exactly do you want people to do?)
Surely distributing such specific information would at least be more useful than sitting in a tent (although it admittedly might be more effort).
I also redirect you to my earlier question - knowing that Amex has had hugely preferential treatment from the council in order to stay in Brighton (including potentially being sold council land not normally for sale), do you feel this should not have happened and that it should have been treated identically to any other company (pf any size), even at the risk of it moving elsewhere?

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
'That's been shown to be false. Companies rarely up sticks and leave just because a few tax loopholes get shut down.'

"So now you're saying these Tax Loopholes DO get shut down? Speak to Occupy Brighton Supporter - he seems to think they don't."

I think your logic is like that of the people who tar all the Occupy Brighton supporters with the same brush and saying that we are all violent drunk sc*m because a few people caused a problem.

"because a FEW tax loopholes get shut down"

You magically turn a comment saying a few tax loopholes get shut down into a statement implying ALL get shut down.

It's like the people that will pull out the bit about violence in the BBC article and ignore the comments by Chief Inspector Simon Nelson

“It is disappointing that after many weeks of peaceful occupation an event ... Most of the occupiers were committed to a peaceful protest and even assisted with clearing the site, but over a period of time the camp had been infiltrated by others who did not share this commitment."

The police were in regular contact and knew what was happening at the camp throughout the occupation. Even they admit that it was the 'others' not committed to our cause that caused the trouble and ultimately caused the end of the camp.

I was not there when the fire started but from what I've heard it was not an accident and was not an out of control fire in a tent, instead something much more malicious. Even the attacking of the fire person I believe was someone who was not part of the movement.

We did put down some seeds and manure yesterday, even though it's the wrong time of the year and we as a group are committed to restoring the park to probably better than when we found it.

Once again a big thanks to all the wonderful people we meet in the local area.

Yep as I thought, of course it wasn't one of your lot eh? Seems funny how people can say it definately wasn't one of the original lot even when they don't know who did it!!
As for putting down seeds and manure - how stupid. In the middle of winter during the worst storms we've seen in a little while what do you think will happen? I'm waited with baited breath to find out where this new camp is going to be.

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
'That's been shown to be false. Companies rarely up sticks and leave just because a few tax loopholes get shut down.'

"So now you're saying these Tax Loopholes DO get shut down? Speak to Occupy Brighton Supporter - he seems to think they don't."

I think your logic is like that of the people who tar all the Occupy Brighton supporters with the same brush and saying that we are all violent drunk sc*m because a few people caused a problem.

"because a FEW tax loopholes get shut down"

You magically turn a comment saying a few tax loopholes get shut down into a statement implying ALL get shut down.

It's like the people that will pull out the bit about violence in the BBC article and ignore the comments by Chief Inspector Simon Nelson

“It is disappointing that after many weeks of peaceful occupation an event ... Most of the occupiers were committed to a peaceful protest and even assisted with clearing the site, but over a period of time the camp had been infiltrated by others who did not share this commitment."

The police were in regular contact and knew what was happening at the camp throughout the occupation. Even they admit that it was the 'others' not committed to our cause that caused the trouble and ultimately caused the end of the camp.

I was not there when the fire started but from what I've heard it was not an accident and was not an out of control fire in a tent, instead something much more malicious. Even the attacking of the fire person I believe was someone who was not part of the movement.

We did put down some seeds and manure yesterday, even though it's the wrong time of the year and we as a group are committed to restoring the park to probably better than when we found it.

Once again a big thanks to all the wonderful people we meet in the local area.

Absolutely disgraceful

As I suggested a few weeks ago, this bunch of miscreants would be ultimately cleared off the Gardens (which they were) and would leave a mess behind for the tax payer to pick up (which they did). Not only that, but they are now openly talking about the site attendees as though they were not part of their so called movement.

And the solution, they advise is that they will do it all again.

Should this be attempted, I sincerely hope that the full force of the law is used to forcefully remove and prevent them from causing further damage and inconvenience to the good folk of Brighton.

Nasty little posh kids that they are.

Well if you're really that bothered then the two places we're looking at is either New Steine Gardens or part of Preston Park. Nothing has been agreed yet as we want to put it to a commitee. We will be back and up and running very shortly.

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
A big thank you to the council for helping clear the site. It was a shame, the camp started with good intentions and worked well for the first few weeks but as most of the people involved had jobs as well it was always going to be hard to maintain the camp. I truly hope that the fact the camp became over-run with homeless/alcoholics and the 'street people' has not put people off the important issues we were campaigning about. Which if you don't know are... Globally, corporations deprive the public purse of hundreds of billions of pounds each year, leaving insufficient funds to provide people with fair living standards. We must abolish tax havens and complex tax avoidance schemes, and ensure corporations pay tax that accurately reflects their real profits. Corporate lobbying subverts our democracy. Last year corporations spent £2 billion influencing the British government. We believe exploitative corporate lobbying has no place in a democratic society. Legislation to ensure full and public transparency of all corporate lobbying activities must be put in place. This should be overseen by a credible and independent body, directly accountable to the people. The existing system of corporate sanctions allows executives and board members to avoid individual responsibility for the consequences of their actions and inactions. Those directly involved in the decision-making process must be held personally liable for their role in the misdeeds of their corporations and duly charged for all criminal behaviour. The struggle continues, but not from Victoria Gardens any more. Thanks to all the locals that put up with us over the last 6 weeks.

I must say sorry to begin with, for NOT reading your full post. I need to ask this question, did you get paid for writing the crud you have put on this post ?

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote: 'That's been shown to be false. Companies rarely up sticks and leave just because a few tax loopholes get shut down.' "So now you're saying these Tax Loopholes DO get shut down? Speak to Occupy Brighton Supporter - he seems to think they don't." I think your logic is like that of the people who tar all the Occupy Brighton supporters with the same brush and saying that we are all violent drunk sc*m because a few people caused a problem. "because a FEW tax loopholes get shut down" You magically turn a comment saying a few tax loopholes get shut down into a statement implying ALL get shut down. It's like the people that will pull out the bit about violence in the BBC article and ignore the comments by Chief Inspector Simon Nelson “It is disappointing that after many weeks of peaceful occupation an event ... Most of the occupiers were committed to a peaceful protest and even assisted with clearing the site, but over a period of time the camp had been infiltrated by others who did not share this commitment." The police were in regular contact and knew what was happening at the camp throughout the occupation. Even they admit that it was the 'others' not committed to our cause that caused the trouble and ultimately caused the end of the camp. I was not there when the fire started but from what I've heard it was not an accident and was not an out of control fire in a tent, instead something much more malicious. Even the attacking of the fire person I believe was someone who was not part of the movement. We did put down some seeds and manure yesterday, even though it's the wrong time of the year and we as a group are committed to restoring the park to probably better than when we found it. Once again a big thanks to all the wonderful people we meet in the local area.

Absolutely disgraceful As I suggested a few weeks ago, this bunch of miscreants would be ultimately cleared off the Gardens (which they were) and would leave a mess behind for the tax payer to pick up (which they did). Not only that, but they are now openly talking about the site attendees as though they were not part of their so called movement. And the solution, they advise is that they will do it all again. Should this be attempted, I sincerely hope that the full force of the law is used to forcefully remove and prevent them from causing further damage and inconvenience to the good folk of Brighton. Nasty little posh kids that they are.

Take the posh OUT and I'll agree with you

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
Well if you're really that bothered then the two places we're looking at is either New Steine Gardens or part of Preston Park. Nothing has been agreed yet as we want to put it to a commitee. We will be back and up and running very shortly.

Yeah well good luck with that. I'm sure the long suffering people of Brighton will be welcoming you lot back with open arms. Idiot.

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
Well if you're really that bothered then the two places we're looking at is either New Steine Gardens or part of Preston Park. Nothing has been agreed yet as we want to put it to a commitee. We will be back and up and running very shortly.

How is life back at mummy and daddy's and when do you fly out to the Caribbean?

Andy R wrote:

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
Well if you're really that bothered then the two places we're looking at is either New Steine Gardens or part of Preston Park. Nothing has been agreed yet as we want to put it to a commitee. We will be back and up and running very shortly.

I'm really not too sure if the people of Brighton have the stomach for another camp quite so soon after the first one.
As it has been reported that a Fireman was assaulted by one of the protesters then maybe is not the right time to set up another camp.

I suspect the good people of Brighton won't tolerate a similar squat, regardless of where it may be. Greater demands will be placed on the authorities to act, especially given the alleged assault.

Bladesboy Returns wrote:

Andy R wrote:

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
Well if you're really that bothered then the two places we're looking at is either New Steine Gardens or part of Preston Park. Nothing has been agreed yet as we want to put it to a commitee. We will be back and up and running very shortly.

I'm really not too sure if the people of Brighton have the stomach for another camp quite so soon after the first one.
As it has been reported that a Fireman was assaulted by one of the protesters then maybe is not the right time to set up another camp.

I suspect the good people of Brighton won't tolerate a similar squat, regardless of where it may be. Greater demands will be placed on the authorities to act, especially given the alleged assault.

Hmmm my thoughts exactly. They caused so many problems this time I don't think they'll tolerate them doing it again.

Still waiting for an answer to my question:
"Can you name one issue on your agenda that you feel the average person in Brighton and Hove is not currently aware of, that they continued to remain unaware of while you were camped in Victoria Gardens, but which they WILL become aware of by your sleeping in a tent in a different location?"

Ashles wrote:
Still waiting for an answer to my question:
"Can you name one issue on your agenda that you feel the average person in Brighton and Hove is not currently aware of, that they continued to remain unaware of while you were camped in Victoria Gardens, but which they WILL become aware of by your sleeping in a tent in a different location?"

I have previously answered this question on numerous occasions so feel no need to go back over old ground again.
You go back with the rest of the 'sheep' blindly following authority.

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:

Ashles wrote: Still waiting for an answer to my question: "Can you name one issue on your agenda that you feel the average person in Brighton and Hove is not currently aware of, that they continued to remain unaware of while you were camped in Victoria Gardens, but which they WILL become aware of by your sleeping in a tent in a different location?"

I have previously answered this question on numerous occasions so feel no need to go back over old ground again. You go back with the rest of the 'sheep' blindly following authority.

Nope - you haven't answered it once.
Because moving to a new camp site will achieve precisely nothing apart from alienating a new group of Brighton residents. I think you should set up a Facebook group too - that seems to be the other way to demonstrate how deeply one 'cares' about an issue, without actually doing anything about it.
And calling people 'sheep' just because they point out how you are lacking in any actual content to your 'agenda' and requesting specifics that you neglect to provide, doesn't really portray you in a very good light.

"Things must change!"
"How?"
"Things must change!"
"Okay fine. How?"
"I've already told you."
"No you haven't. How should things change?"
"Er... I don't really... by er... You're a sheep!"
"I see. Well, name calling should certainly effect massive global change. Well done indeed."

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:

Ashles wrote:
Still waiting for an answer to my question:
"Can you name one issue on your agenda that you feel the average person in Brighton and Hove is not currently aware of, that they continued to remain unaware of while you were camped in Victoria Gardens, but which they WILL become aware of by your sleeping in a tent in a different location?"

I have previously answered this question on numerous occasions so feel no need to go back over old ground again.
You go back with the rest of the 'sheep' blindly following authority.

You have NOT answered the questions, and you d*mn-well know it....

Out of all the idiots I have challenged and or felt the need to criticise on this site these wasters take the biscuit. They simply provide **** answers or avoid questions. The gardens experience speaks for itself though...illegal occupation, violence and damage.

To the music of Jingle Bells..............

Occupy, Occupy
Squatters nothing less
Oh how sad it was to see
The posh kids leave their mess
....................


They pitched their make shift tents
And never paid their rents
Then claimed they're our best friends
Their lying never ends
....................


Occupy, Occupy
Squatters nothing less
Oh how sad it was to see
The posh kids leave their mess
....................


They failed to state their goals
And their plans were full of holes
So these wasters smoke and drank
These unwashed posh kids stank
....................


Occupy, Occupy
Squatters nothing less
Oh how sad it was to see
The posh kids leave their mess
....................


Much to our delight
They've now moved off the site
The Council's cleared their tents away
What a lovely sight
....................


Occupy, Occupy
Squatters nothing less
Oh how sad it was to see
The posh kids leave their mess

Please feel free to add additional verses

Well it's been decided that we will be setting up a new camp in Preston Park just after the new year. We felt that this area would give us plenty of opportunity to get our message across to the people coming into and out of Brighton.
We have always felt that being in a very visible area would be a huge benefit to us so we thought this would be the perfect place for us.
We would like to thank the residents of Brighton for being so understanding and allowing us to have another opportunity to raise awareness for our cause.

Occupy Brighton supporter wrote:
Well it's been decided that we will be setting up a new camp in Preston Park just after the new year. We felt that this area would give us plenty of opportunity to get our message across to the people coming into and out of Brighton.
We have always felt that being in a very visible area would be a huge benefit to us so we thought this would be the perfect place for us.
We would like to thank the residents of Brighton for being so understanding and allowing us to have another opportunity to raise awareness for our cause.

Maybe you should make good the damage you've caused to Victoria Gardens before you set up another of your camps...

Squats more like

Is there any news on the Fire fighter who got assaulted by the Occupy Brighton camp members? Has anyone been caught yet?

AmboGuy wrote:
Is there any news on the Fire fighter who got assaulted by the Occupy Brighton camp members? Has anyone been caught yet?

Even if they did find the guy who assaulted the firefighter, nothing will happen to him.

The guy who burgled me (and burgled 15 other homes) only got a suspended sentence, so assaulting a firefighter won't result in any punitive result

AmboGuy wrote:
Is there any news on the Fire fighter who got assaulted by the Occupy Brighton camp members? Has anyone been caught yet?

Ah, so now the forum Troll turns an alleged assault (a supposed 'push to the ground') into an actual offence...guilty until proven innocent according to you yet again!...lmfao!

wbciscorrupt wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Is there any news on the Fire fighter who got assaulted by the Occupy Brighton camp members? Has anyone been caught yet?

Ah, so now the forum Troll turns an alleged assault (a supposed 'push to the ground') into an actual offence...guilty until proven innocent according to you yet again!...lmfao!

Stop whining; you lack discipline

Diaper Sector wrote:

wbciscorrupt wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:
Is there any news on the Fire fighter who got assaulted by the Occupy Brighton camp members? Has anyone been caught yet?

Ah, so now the forum Troll turns an alleged assault (a supposed 'push to the ground') into an actual offence...guilty until proven innocent according to you yet again!...lmfao!

Stop whining; you lack discipline

Says a Diaper?...I would normally say pmsl, but I wouldn't want to spoil your fun...best you saunter off into the sunset like your fellow troll...