Video: Football thugs jailed

Photographs used as evidence of hooligans fighting in Brighton

Photographs used as evidence of hooligans fighting in Brighton

Photographs used as evidence of hooligans fighting in Brighton

Photographs used as evidence of hooligans fighting in Brighton

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Terrified pedestrians looked on as football hooligans staged an arranged fight in a quiet Brighton neighbourhood...Yesterday, 12 men were jailed for a total of 19 years ten months for their part in the battle between Brighton and Tottenham supporters. All have also been banned from football grounds for six years.

The quiet streets of Albion Hill and Grove Hill, flanked by blocks of flats, echoed to the sounds of shouting and swearing on Saturday, July 31 2010.

Dozens of people dialled 999 and witnesses filmed the two sides clashing from balconies over-looking the scene.

Twelve people were later arrested and charged. They all admitted violent disorder.

Ryan Richter, prosecuting, told Hove Crown Court: “Members of the public were seen in the street frozen in fear, including a group of pedestrians with baby buggies waiting to cross the road.”

No members of the public were injured but among the brawlers, one man was knocked unconscious, one defendant had his arm broken and another needed hospital treatment after he suffered a gash from a bottle.

Violence raged for up to 15 minutes. The men scattered when police arrived.

Of the 12 who were later charged, some were arrested in Brighton but others had to be identified later by police intelligence officers.

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Convicted

Martin Asli, led the charges by the Tottenham Hotspur group, carrying a baton.

Now 47, of Greenhaven Drive, Thamesmead, London.

THREE AND A HALF YEARS

Kali Hagenstede, 22, currently in prison, can be seen in the mobile phone footage trying to break off a young tree to use as a weapon.

TWO AND A HALF YEARS

Steven Davidson, now 31, of Algers Mead, Loughton, Essex, was seen running up and down the road acting aggressively.

TWO YEARS THREE MONTHS

Dante Lauder-Hawkins, 22, of Exmoor Street, Ladbroke Grove, London, was described as “posturing and goading, remaining somewhat behind the front of the group”.

TWO YEARS

Steven White, now 45, of Church Street, Edmonton, London, was identified from the mobile phone footage by Tottenham’s police spotters.

FIFTEEN MONTHS

Stuart McCullough was described as “the gentleman with a traffic barrier striking out at various people”.

The 22-year-old of Seaton Road, Wick, Littlehampton, has a young child and his partner is currently pregnant.

TWO YEARS

Matthew Clayton, now 25, was seen running at the Tottenham group.

The plumber, of Highdown Drive, Littlehampton, has eight previous convictions for 11 offences, including possessing smoke grenades on a train.

FIFTEEN MONTHS

Jamie Lowe received a text message saying “Aberdeen are coming down and the **** are with them.”

Now 44, of Mile Oak Road, Portslade, he had only one previous conviction and a caution for jumping over a barrier while celebrating an Albion goal against Luton Town.

THIRTEEN MONTHS

Matthew Cummins suffered a 3cm gash on his head in the violence.

The 33-year-old, of Wantley Hill Estate, Henfield, was seen confronting Asli and Davidson.

TWELVE MONTHS

David Prowse, now 34, of Sompting Road, Lancing, confronted Asli in the exchanges.

TWELVE MONTHS

Harvey Siney, now 19, of Margery Road, Hove, swapped punches with Asli and Davidson.

TWELVE MONTHS

Benjamin Goodwin described the fight as “pretty messy” in a text message afterwards.

The 22-year-old, of Foredown Drive, Portslade, is an account manager at an energy company and was previously of good character.

TWELVE MONTHS

Aberdeen match

Albion’s match that day did not even involve Tottenham Hotspur.

Brighton and Hove Albion were playing Aberdeen in a pre-season friendly. The Scottish side’s fans had arranged for Tottenham Hotspur followers to come to the city in their stead.

The clubs’ supporters have a “reciprocal agreement” under which Aberdeen is supported if it plays in southern England, out of range of its own fanbase.

When the sides clashed in Albion Hill and Grove Hill, at about 4.20pm Sussex Police received 27 999 calls.

Several of the Tottenham Hotspur thugs were already subject to football banning orders.

Some had been involved in major hooliganism cases, involving Chelsea, Charlton, Arsenal and West Ham fans.

Yesterday Judge Rennie gave each of the defendants a six-year football banning order, except Lauder-Hawkins and Hagenstede who were slapped with similar orders last year.

Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett said: “I hope the sentences will deter others who think its acceptable to act in a similar way.

“Most people enjoy football and their good behaviour should not be marred by a mindless minority who harm and scare others."

Richard Hebberd, head of operations at Brighton and Hove Albion, said: "Neither group had any real interest in the football match taking place a few miles away.

"We welcome the verdict and sentences handed down. The majority of our supporters are a credit to the club, and it is wrong for them to see their reputation tarnished by the actions of a handful of individuals.”

Read more details about the trial, convictions and events of July 31, 2010 in the two-page special report inside today's Argus.

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11:58am Thu 2 Feb 12

bogs says...

Is that it? Its what Bill McLaran used to call 'handbags'! Give the police cameraman another drink, he's got the shakes there.
Is that it? Its what Bill McLaran used to call 'handbags'! Give the police cameraman another drink, he's got the shakes there. bogs
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12:14pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

Personally it looked like they were playing a friendly game of 'tag'.
Regardless, what absolute wastes of space.
Personally it looked like they were playing a friendly game of 'tag'. Regardless, what absolute wastes of space. Stoneham Park
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12:33pm Thu 2 Feb 12

JaseBHA says...

Read the piece, bogs, if you're capable. The footage was taken by residents from their balconies, and they were doubtless pretty shocked to see it happening in their streets. And just maybe you're not seeing the whole thing in this short clip - it clearly says the violence went on for 15 minutes. So no, that's clearly NOT 'it'.
Read the piece, bogs, if you're capable. The footage was taken by residents from their balconies, and they were doubtless pretty shocked to see it happening in their streets. And just maybe you're not seeing the whole thing in this short clip - it clearly says the violence went on for 15 minutes. So no, that's clearly NOT 'it'. JaseBHA
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12:35pm Thu 2 Feb 12

papa_melons says...

seen better fights at the bingo ...
seen better fights at the bingo ... papa_melons
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12:36pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Archie Bun says...

Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s. Archie Bun
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12:58pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Bobabooey says...

27 Calls? Quick response by the Police seen as Albion Hill is 1 min away from the Police Station!!!
27 Calls? Quick response by the Police seen as Albion Hill is 1 min away from the Police Station!!! Bobabooey
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1:28pm Thu 2 Feb 12

paulzerbell says...

A quite street, are you kidding lived there 6years and it kicked of nearly every night. Worst area i have lived in, but had to laugh when it wasn't even the residents that was fighting!
A quite street, are you kidding lived there 6years and it kicked of nearly every night. Worst area i have lived in, but had to laugh when it wasn't even the residents that was fighting! paulzerbell
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1:58pm Thu 2 Feb 12

bigfella777 says...

People went to prison for this? Some of these sentences are longer than a paedophile gets, this is an outrage, nobody innocent is even involved.
People went to prison for this? Some of these sentences are longer than a paedophile gets, this is an outrage, nobody innocent is even involved. bigfella777
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2:13pm Thu 2 Feb 12

fascinator says...

Bobabooey - do you expect a cupboard full of policemen to be waiting in the police station a minute away from albion Hill waiting to be called upon?

bigfella - does it matter who they were beating up - they were acting in a completely unacceptable way in a public place, so a custodial sentence seems appropriate to me
Bobabooey - do you expect a cupboard full of policemen to be waiting in the police station a minute away from albion Hill waiting to be called upon? bigfella - does it matter who they were beating up - they were acting in a completely unacceptable way in a public place, so a custodial sentence seems appropriate to me fascinator
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2:37pm Thu 2 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.
I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there. wrongdoing101
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2:51pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Bobabooey says...

fascinator - That's a pretty big cupboard. How silly of me to think that police would be in a police station.
fascinator - That's a pretty big cupboard. How silly of me to think that police would be in a police station. Bobabooey
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3:09pm Thu 2 Feb 12

sandalman says...

74 dead in Egypt!!! real fight.www.fight to the death .com.
74 dead in Egypt!!! real fight.www.fight to the death .com. sandalman
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3:13pm Thu 2 Feb 12

sandalman says...

Oh by the way, real men dont need to fight!
Oh by the way, real men dont need to fight! sandalman
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3:17pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.
Completely disagree. They went there for a fight/meet-up. They give my football team a bad name and bring along bad press. Arranging a fight during a 'friendly' match.
It has nothing to do with rapists & murderers getting lower sentences.
Anyone thuggish and idiotic enough to arrange a brawl due to two football teams meeting deserve the consequences. Accept the punishments of your actions. It doesn't matter if 3 of them had never had previous convictions, all idiots.
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.[/p][/quote]Completely disagree. They went there for a fight/meet-up. They give my football team a bad name and bring along bad press. Arranging a fight during a 'friendly' match. It has nothing to do with rapists & murderers getting lower sentences. Anyone thuggish and idiotic enough to arrange a brawl due to two football teams meeting deserve the consequences. Accept the punishments of your actions. It doesn't matter if 3 of them had never had previous convictions, all idiots. Stoneham Park
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3:20pm Thu 2 Feb 12

sandalman says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.
well spotted, very ott sentences,I am glad that you have a good perspective of things here,respect to you and keep up your good work,.
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.[/p][/quote]well spotted, very ott sentences,I am glad that you have a good perspective of things here,respect to you and keep up your good work,. sandalman
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3:26pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Cabin fever says...

Archie Bun wrote:
Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
That old chestnut eh?

Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented?

And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc.

You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular!

Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...
[quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.[/p][/quote]That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements... Cabin fever
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3:35pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Bobabooey says...

Good comment Cabin Fever.
I have a season ticket for The Amex and have followed football all my life. I have never had the urge too 'arrange a meet' and no one I know has!
Good comment Cabin Fever. I have a season ticket for The Amex and have followed football all my life. I have never had the urge too 'arrange a meet' and no one I know has! Bobabooey
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3:44pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

Cabin fever wrote:
Archie Bun wrote:
Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
That old chestnut eh?

Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented?

And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc.

You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular!

Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...
Thumbs Up.
[quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.[/p][/quote]That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...[/p][/quote]Thumbs Up. Stoneham Park
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4:01pm Thu 2 Feb 12

wietraurig says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote:
I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.
Completely disagree. They went there for a fight/meet-up. They give my football team a bad name and bring along bad press. Arranging a fight during a 'friendly' match.
It has nothing to do with rapists & murderers getting lower sentences.
Anyone thuggish and idiotic enough to arrange a brawl due to two football teams meeting deserve the consequences. Accept the punishments of your actions. It doesn't matter if 3 of them had never had previous convictions, all idiots.
Quite right. it's clear that they weren't simply "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and making "a simple mistake". They were hardly bystanders caught up in something by accident. The meet was organised in advance, they went there looking for a ruck, and so deserved their punishment. References to rapists and murderers are irrelevant -- as far as I recall, they usually get imprisoned when convicted as well.
I say this as a keen supporter of BHA, but would stress that these types are a relatively small minority of 'fans' (although I noticed a few among the Albion fans at Selhurst on Tuesday).
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.[/p][/quote]Completely disagree. They went there for a fight/meet-up. They give my football team a bad name and bring along bad press. Arranging a fight during a 'friendly' match. It has nothing to do with rapists & murderers getting lower sentences. Anyone thuggish and idiotic enough to arrange a brawl due to two football teams meeting deserve the consequences. Accept the punishments of your actions. It doesn't matter if 3 of them had never had previous convictions, all idiots.[/p][/quote]Quite right. it's clear that they weren't simply "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and making "a simple mistake". They were hardly bystanders caught up in something by accident. The meet was organised in advance, they went there looking for a ruck, and so deserved their punishment. References to rapists and murderers are irrelevant -- as far as I recall, they usually get imprisoned when convicted as well. I say this as a keen supporter of BHA, but would stress that these types are a relatively small minority of 'fans' (although I noticed a few among the Albion fans at Selhurst on Tuesday). wietraurig
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4:24pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Archie Bun says...

Cabin fever wrote:
Archie Bun wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...
Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.
[quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.[/p][/quote]That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...[/p][/quote]Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans. Archie Bun
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4:28pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Levent says...

Call that a "fight"? That's pathetic.
Shame they didn't show the keystone cops footage, It would be good having to see the police earn their wages for a change. I know from personal experience, they don't like to be bothered with real crime. Not unless you give them a month to respond and call them at least 10 times that is.
Call that a "fight"? That's pathetic. Shame they didn't show the keystone cops footage, It would be good having to see the police earn their wages for a change. I know from personal experience, they don't like to be bothered with real crime. Not unless you give them a month to respond and call them at least 10 times that is. Levent
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4:31pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

Archie Bun wrote:
Cabin fever wrote:
Archie Bun wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...
Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.
Wow full of ignorance today aren't we!
Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it.
Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world!
It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder.
No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)
[quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.[/p][/quote]That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...[/p][/quote]Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.[/p][/quote]Wow full of ignorance today aren't we! Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it. Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world! It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder. No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :) Stoneham Park
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4:59pm Thu 2 Feb 12

bogs says...

JaseBHA wrote:
Read the piece, bogs, if you're capable. The footage was taken by residents from their balconies, and they were doubtless pretty shocked to see it happening in their streets. And just maybe you're not seeing the whole thing in this short clip - it clearly says the violence went on for 15 minutes. So no, that's clearly NOT 'it'.
I stand corrected, I had lost the will too live by the time I got to that bit. Do you know if the cameraman does weddings as well as pretending to be on a train. You obviousley don't get irony!!!!
[quote][p][bold]JaseBHA[/bold] wrote: Read the piece, bogs, if you're capable. The footage was taken by residents from their balconies, and they were doubtless pretty shocked to see it happening in their streets. And just maybe you're not seeing the whole thing in this short clip - it clearly says the violence went on for 15 minutes. So no, that's clearly NOT 'it'.[/p][/quote]I stand corrected, I had lost the will too live by the time I got to that bit. Do you know if the cameraman does weddings as well as pretending to be on a train. You obviousley don't get irony!!!! bogs
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5:02pm Thu 2 Feb 12

puffpunx says...

These people are not "fans," they are thugs. Fans do not disgrace their team in this way.
These people are not "fans," they are thugs. Fans do not disgrace their team in this way. puffpunx
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5:24pm Thu 2 Feb 12

AmboGuy says...

Bobabooey wrote:
fascinator - That's a pretty big cupboard. How silly of me to think that police would be in a police station.
Oh dear you're just not understanding this are you??? Sussex Police are so stretched right now that all it takes is for one crew to be down custody dealing with someone, one crew arresting a shoplifter and one crew to be speaking to the victim of a domestic assault for them all to be tied up doing other stuff.
You really are very naive if you think they're at the station twiddling their thumbs waiting for calls to come in.
[quote][p][bold]Bobabooey[/bold] wrote: fascinator - That's a pretty big cupboard. How silly of me to think that police would be in a police station.[/p][/quote]Oh dear you're just not understanding this are you??? Sussex Police are so stretched right now that all it takes is for one crew to be down custody dealing with someone, one crew arresting a shoplifter and one crew to be speaking to the victim of a domestic assault for them all to be tied up doing other stuff. You really are very naive if you think they're at the station twiddling their thumbs waiting for calls to come in. AmboGuy
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7:08pm Thu 2 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.
So to summarise your comment. A well respected man say an accountant is driving home and you daughter/mum/wife cuts him up and when he beeps his horn she calls him a w4nk3r, he then follows her home & punches her a few times. But because he has no previous convictions and is not a "waste of space" he gets off with no charges because he made a bad decision??? Think you would be a bit upset wouldn't you...

Everyone there had the option to turn away bit choose not. If you ask me some of them have got off lightly. We must stamp this out of all aspects of life.
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: I don't think any of you can make a judgement that they are all a "waste of space" yes, some of them clearly are and are shown to be in the video but the three who received twelve months had no previous convictions and simply got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no choice but to defend themselves. They also got severely bruised and beat up but yet there is no mention of this is there? Why should three men receive twelve month sentences for a simple mistake? Everyone should be able to make one mistake and I think the outcome has been unjust and unfair. Is this what our legal system has come too? Rapists and murderers roaming free whilst simply "throwing a few punches" gets someone locked up for a year so before you make your judgements about people you should first consider the circumstances and the other REAL disgusting, malicious criminals out there.[/p][/quote]So to summarise your comment. A well respected man say an accountant is driving home and you daughter/mum/wife cuts him up and when he beeps his horn she calls him a w4nk3r, he then follows her home & punches her a few times. But because he has no previous convictions and is not a "waste of space" he gets off with no charges because he made a bad decision??? Think you would be a bit upset wouldn't you... Everyone there had the option to turn away bit choose not. If you ask me some of them have got off lightly. We must stamp this out of all aspects of life. BHArulz
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7:23pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Lostandaway says...

Sensational reporting. There always was a thug element travelling around any town in the UK. Football links by the press are just a distraction. You don't need the excuse of football or any sport to start a fight.
If you like football then enjoy it to the max, but if you don't like it well that's fine as well. For goodness sake this difference is what makes life enjoyable.
As for the sentence comparison with other crimes that's pointless. If you want tougher guidlines and more police then keep writing to your MP and all the ministers in Parliament. Lobby them everyday until they are 'sick' of receiving emails. Set your mail to send evryday/week whatever.
For real thug work have a look at Vancouver districts they had a gun fight between two rival gangs driving around a petrol station in their armoured BMW's. Like something from an old wild west film.
Sensational reporting. There always was a thug element travelling around any town in the UK. Football links by the press are just a distraction. You don't need the excuse of football or any sport to start a fight. If you like football then enjoy it to the max, but if you don't like it well that's fine as well. For goodness sake this difference is what makes life enjoyable. As for the sentence comparison with other crimes that's pointless. If you want tougher guidlines and more police then keep writing to your MP and all the ministers in Parliament. Lobby them everyday until they are 'sick' of receiving emails. Set your mail to send evryday/week whatever. For real thug work have a look at Vancouver districts they had a gun fight between two rival gangs driving around a petrol station in their armoured BMW's. Like something from an old wild west film. Lostandaway
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7:34pm Thu 2 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

Actually no i don't think any of YOU have the right to make a judgement, you don't even know the circumstances all you've done is watch the video and read this article, some people who got a YEAR in prison were standing on the sideline (yes they shouldn't have been there but we've all made mistakes, you don't know what sort of tough times they had been going through so you have no right to just make a judgement of them without knowing them) , this is a newspaper, it is obviously a very limited view and highly selective of what it writes. pretty sure no one has 'got off lightly' if you actually read the real argus news paper two of the men were described of 'good character', one of those had a full time job and the other studying at university so now because one selective judge has decided that he wants to 'make an example' of them they are in prison. This happened almost two years ago, much reflection has been done since then and much regret has been felt. I think you'll find they're not "all idiots" what gives you the rights to say that? you don't know them. Most of them were grown men who should know better and be setting an example but some of the younger men have obviously been falsely led and not everyone got arrested only a targeted few simply because of appearance or being bigger than the rest which is just not fair. It has everything to do with rapists and murderers getting the same/ even less sentences than this it's stupid and unjust and its obviously going a bit far comparing a ridiculous situation of cutting someone up, its the sort of mistake of casually turning up to this sort of thing (obviously stupidly)i hardly think you can compare an assault on an innocent woman to a stupid football fight which is pathetic, no one got injured only today it was reported in the guardian that 70 people died in egypt football violence this is NOTHING compared to that and utterly pathetic. there are a lot of things needed to be 'stamped out' as you put it mate but for some of these men this is just unnecessary.
Actually no i don't think any of YOU have the right to make a judgement, you don't even know the circumstances all you've done is watch the video and read this article, some people who got a YEAR in prison were standing on the sideline (yes they shouldn't have been there but we've all made mistakes, you don't know what sort of tough times they had been going through so you have no right to just make a judgement of them without knowing them) , this is a newspaper, it is obviously a very limited view and highly selective of what it writes. pretty sure no one has 'got off lightly' if you actually read the real argus news paper two of the men were described of 'good character', one of those had a full time job and the other studying at university so now because one selective judge has decided that he wants to 'make an example' of them they are in prison. This happened almost two years ago, much reflection has been done since then and much regret has been felt. I think you'll find they're not "all idiots" what gives you the rights to say that? you don't know them. Most of them were grown men who should know better and be setting an example but some of the younger men have obviously been falsely led and not everyone got arrested only a targeted few simply because of appearance or being bigger than the rest which is just not fair. It has everything to do with rapists and murderers getting the same/ even less sentences than this it's stupid and unjust and its obviously going a bit far comparing a ridiculous situation of cutting someone up, its the sort of mistake of casually turning up to this sort of thing (obviously stupidly)i hardly think you can compare an assault on an innocent woman to a stupid football fight which is pathetic, no one got injured only today it was reported in the guardian that 70 people died in egypt football violence this is NOTHING compared to that and utterly pathetic. there are a lot of things needed to be 'stamped out' as you put it mate but for some of these men this is just unnecessary. wrongdoing101
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Thu 2 Feb 12

KeefyH44 says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
Archie Bun wrote:
Cabin fever wrote:
Archie Bun wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...
Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.
Wow full of ignorance today aren't we!
Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it.
Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world!
It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder.
No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)
Absolutely spot on. Church and religion are and have been the cause of more death and destruction than almost anything in history. I cannot understand the mental machinations of anyone who wants to kill or maim someone who does not share your own ideas on religion, football or whatever. It's supposed to be a 'free' country and it's absolutely unacceptable to try to impose your ideas about anything upon another.
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.[/p][/quote]That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...[/p][/quote]Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.[/p][/quote]Wow full of ignorance today aren't we! Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it. Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world! It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder. No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Church and religion are and have been the cause of more death and destruction than almost anything in history. I cannot understand the mental machinations of anyone who wants to kill or maim someone who does not share your own ideas on religion, football or whatever. It's supposed to be a 'free' country and it's absolutely unacceptable to try to impose your ideas about anything upon another. KeefyH44
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8:20pm Thu 2 Feb 12

thewhitehawker says...

Just a jolly good punch up , and looked very queensburys rules to me !
Just a jolly good punch up , and looked very queensburys rules to me ! thewhitehawker
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8:21pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Hotbeans says...

What a bunch of bell ends. Bugger off to Egypt if you want to 'support football'.
What a bunch of bell ends. Bugger off to Egypt if you want to 'support football'. Hotbeans
  • Score: 0

8:25pm Thu 2 Feb 12

thewhitehawker says...

thewhitehawker wrote:
Just a jolly good punch up , and looked very queensburys rules to me !
Seriously ! Go look after your kids and take them out for the day instead of getting into trouble !
[quote][p][bold]thewhitehawker[/bold] wrote: Just a jolly good punch up , and looked very queensburys rules to me ![/p][/quote]Seriously ! Go look after your kids and take them out for the day instead of getting into trouble ! thewhitehawker
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8:33pm Thu 2 Feb 12

Kimboo says...

Young lads of good character with no previous convictions should not have been tarred with the same brush as hardened criminals for making the wrong decision and making the mistake of being caught up in a disorder when they themselves were not throwing any punches or missiles...getting almost the same punishment as those that were carrying weapons...sex offenders and paedophiles get off with lighter sentences and anonyminty...The only positive to come out of this is that I know that they hope their punishment will be a deterrent to others in the future as no family will want to go through a prison sentence thats been given just to make an example of someone rather than being relevant to their participation.
Young lads of good character with no previous convictions should not have been tarred with the same brush as hardened criminals for making the wrong decision and making the mistake of being caught up in a disorder when they themselves were not throwing any punches or missiles...getting almost the same punishment as those that were carrying weapons...sex offenders and paedophiles get off with lighter sentences and anonyminty...The only positive to come out of this is that I know that they hope their punishment will be a deterrent to others in the future as no family will want to go through a prison sentence thats been given just to make an example of someone rather than being relevant to their participation. Kimboo
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8:34pm Thu 2 Feb 12

chrisso says...

If true that the police took 15 minutes to arrive, then for an incident of serious large scale disorder that is VERY poor. Even if the nearest free unit was in a car in Rottingdean they could have turned up quicker than that.
If true that the police took 15 minutes to arrive, then for an incident of serious large scale disorder that is VERY poor. Even if the nearest free unit was in a car in Rottingdean they could have turned up quicker than that. chrisso
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8:35pm Thu 2 Feb 12

hubby says...

Only cowards need their mates with them to have a fight.
Put them in a ring and they'd be crying for their mums,because that is a fair fight.
Only cowards need their mates with them to have a fight. Put them in a ring and they'd be crying for their mums,because that is a fair fight. hubby
  • Score: -1

9:11pm Thu 2 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
Actually no i don't think any of YOU have the right to make a judgement, you don't even know the circumstances all you've done is watch the video and read this article, some people who got a YEAR in prison were standing on the sideline (yes they shouldn't have been there but we've all made mistakes, you don't know what sort of tough times they had been going through so you have no right to just make a judgement of them without knowing them) , this is a newspaper, it is obviously a very limited view and highly selective of what it writes. pretty sure no one has 'got off lightly' if you actually read the real argus news paper two of the men were described of 'good character', one of those had a full time job and the other studying at university so now because one selective judge has decided that he wants to 'make an example' of them they are in prison. This happened almost two years ago, much reflection has been done since then and much regret has been felt. I think you'll find they're not "all idiots" what gives you the rights to say that? you don't know them. Most of them were grown men who should know better and be setting an example but some of the younger men have obviously been falsely led and not everyone got arrested only a targeted few simply because of appearance or being bigger than the rest which is just not fair. It has everything to do with rapists and murderers getting the same/ even less sentences than this it's stupid and unjust and its obviously going a bit far comparing a ridiculous situation of cutting someone up, its the sort of mistake of casually turning up to this sort of thing (obviously stupidly)i hardly think you can compare an assault on an innocent woman to a stupid football fight which is pathetic, no one got injured only today it was reported in the guardian that 70 people died in egypt football violence this is NOTHING compared to that and utterly pathetic. there are a lot of things needed to be 'stamped out' as you put it mate but for some of these men this is just unnecessary.
Firstly to point out you mentioned we don't know the circumstances from watching the video & reading the article. This would be the same video & article you are basing your opinions & judgements on. This incident went on for a good 15-20minutes and if you are seriously suggesting that the Police have charged people with varying degrees of assault, public disorder or any other charges then I think your a very confused individual. In regards to them having "tough times" this is not an invitation to go out and knowingly break the laws of the land, regardless of how terrible your life is.

Public opinion is usually swayed by the crime not the guilty persons nature. In this case these people have shown up to a organised fight to knock each other about & others have CHOSEN to get involved. They have broken the law despite there "good character" and engaged in a public brawl. I pray & hope they do regret what they have done but unfortunately for them their complete Neanderthal behaviour has landed them in jail where they belong. Laws keep order otherwise we would all be living in the wild west.
In my very educated opinion they all have to pay the consequences of there idiotic behaviour. How do you know that no one got injured??? Ah because its not written in the article... And if you are going to be falsely led at a young adult age into a brawl then im afraid that does make you an idiot. How can you then go on and target murderers??? How about if some murderers killed in self defence or in a fit a passion or if they were young and too stupid to say no...

And what happened in Egypt could well be the result of the police not stamping out incidents like this, It could well be a result of bad policing and a snowball effect from a punch up to 74 deaths.

Thank Christ your not running the judicial system...
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: Actually no i don't think any of YOU have the right to make a judgement, you don't even know the circumstances all you've done is watch the video and read this article, some people who got a YEAR in prison were standing on the sideline (yes they shouldn't have been there but we've all made mistakes, you don't know what sort of tough times they had been going through so you have no right to just make a judgement of them without knowing them) , this is a newspaper, it is obviously a very limited view and highly selective of what it writes. pretty sure no one has 'got off lightly' if you actually read the real argus news paper two of the men were described of 'good character', one of those had a full time job and the other studying at university so now because one selective judge has decided that he wants to 'make an example' of them they are in prison. This happened almost two years ago, much reflection has been done since then and much regret has been felt. I think you'll find they're not "all idiots" what gives you the rights to say that? you don't know them. Most of them were grown men who should know better and be setting an example but some of the younger men have obviously been falsely led and not everyone got arrested only a targeted few simply because of appearance or being bigger than the rest which is just not fair. It has everything to do with rapists and murderers getting the same/ even less sentences than this it's stupid and unjust and its obviously going a bit far comparing a ridiculous situation of cutting someone up, its the sort of mistake of casually turning up to this sort of thing (obviously stupidly)i hardly think you can compare an assault on an innocent woman to a stupid football fight which is pathetic, no one got injured only today it was reported in the guardian that 70 people died in egypt football violence this is NOTHING compared to that and utterly pathetic. there are a lot of things needed to be 'stamped out' as you put it mate but for some of these men this is just unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Firstly to point out you mentioned we don't know the circumstances from watching the video & reading the article. This would be the same video & article you are basing your opinions & judgements on. This incident went on for a good 15-20minutes and if you are seriously suggesting that the Police have charged people with varying degrees of assault, public disorder or any other charges then I think your a very confused individual. In regards to them having "tough times" this is not an invitation to go out and knowingly break the laws of the land, regardless of how terrible your life is. Public opinion is usually swayed by the crime not the guilty persons nature. In this case these people have shown up to a organised fight to knock each other about & others have CHOSEN to get involved. They have broken the law despite there "good character" and engaged in a public brawl. I pray & hope they do regret what they have done but unfortunately for them their complete Neanderthal behaviour has landed them in jail where they belong. Laws keep order otherwise we would all be living in the wild west. In my very educated opinion they all have to pay the consequences of there idiotic behaviour. How do you know that no one got injured??? Ah because its not written in the article... And if you are going to be falsely led at a young adult age into a brawl then im afraid that does make you an idiot. How can you then go on and target murderers??? How about if some murderers killed in self defence or in a fit a passion or if they were young and too stupid to say no... And what happened in Egypt could well be the result of the police not stamping out incidents like this, It could well be a result of bad policing and a snowball effect from a punch up to 74 deaths. Thank Christ your not running the judicial system... BHArulz
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10:56pm Thu 2 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

BHArulz wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote:
Actually no i don't think any of YOU have the right to make a judgement, you don't even know the circumstances all you've done is watch the video and read this article, some people who got a YEAR in prison were standing on the sideline (yes they shouldn't have been there but we've all made mistakes, you don't know what sort of tough times they had been going through so you have no right to just make a judgement of them without knowing them) , this is a newspaper, it is obviously a very limited view and highly selective of what it writes. pretty sure no one has 'got off lightly' if you actually read the real argus news paper two of the men were described of 'good character', one of those had a full time job and the other studying at university so now because one selective judge has decided that he wants to 'make an example' of them they are in prison. This happened almost two years ago, much reflection has been done since then and much regret has been felt. I think you'll find they're not "all idiots" what gives you the rights to say that? you don't know them. Most of them were grown men who should know better and be setting an example but some of the younger men have obviously been falsely led and not everyone got arrested only a targeted few simply because of appearance or being bigger than the rest which is just not fair. It has everything to do with rapists and murderers getting the same/ even less sentences than this it's stupid and unjust and its obviously going a bit far comparing a ridiculous situation of cutting someone up, its the sort of mistake of casually turning up to this sort of thing (obviously stupidly)i hardly think you can compare an assault on an innocent woman to a stupid football fight which is pathetic, no one got injured only today it was reported in the guardian that 70 people died in egypt football violence this is NOTHING compared to that and utterly pathetic. there are a lot of things needed to be 'stamped out' as you put it mate but for some of these men this is just unnecessary.
Firstly to point out you mentioned we don't know the circumstances from watching the video & reading the article. This would be the same video & article you are basing your opinions & judgements on. This incident went on for a good 15-20minutes and if you are seriously suggesting that the Police have charged people with varying degrees of assault, public disorder or any other charges then I think your a very confused individual. In regards to them having "tough times" this is not an invitation to go out and knowingly break the laws of the land, regardless of how terrible your life is.

Public opinion is usually swayed by the crime not the guilty persons nature. In this case these people have shown up to a organised fight to knock each other about & others have CHOSEN to get involved. They have broken the law despite there "good character" and engaged in a public brawl. I pray & hope they do regret what they have done but unfortunately for them their complete Neanderthal behaviour has landed them in jail where they belong. Laws keep order otherwise we would all be living in the wild west.
In my very educated opinion they all have to pay the consequences of there idiotic behaviour. How do you know that no one got injured??? Ah because its not written in the article... And if you are going to be falsely led at a young adult age into a brawl then im afraid that does make you an idiot. How can you then go on and target murderers??? How about if some murderers killed in self defence or in a fit a passion or if they were young and too stupid to say no...

And what happened in Egypt could well be the result of the police not stamping out incidents like this, It could well be a result of bad policing and a snowball effect from a punch up to 74 deaths.

Thank Christ your not running the judicial system...
Actually no i think i have much more rights than you to comment on the situation, I actually know people involved and know the circumstances so thats a bit awkward seeing as you're wrong. You really could never understand / know what I know so please don't try to contradict me when all you've done is read this article, I actually know what I'm talking about and I know for certain some individuals certainly do regret what they did and it was a stupid mistake.. Who do you think you are to go round calling people idiots? Why do you even care? Thank Christ your not running the judicial system because you clearly cannot understand other peoples views and cannot appreciate the actual conditions of this incident, at least I am not an obnoxious judging **** and don't go as far to say "in my very educated opinion". I am just as educated as you and how does education make any difference to this matter to be perfectly honest so keep you're invalid opinions to yourself and learn you're facts before jumping in and making false accusations :)
[quote][p][bold]BHArulz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: Actually no i don't think any of YOU have the right to make a judgement, you don't even know the circumstances all you've done is watch the video and read this article, some people who got a YEAR in prison were standing on the sideline (yes they shouldn't have been there but we've all made mistakes, you don't know what sort of tough times they had been going through so you have no right to just make a judgement of them without knowing them) , this is a newspaper, it is obviously a very limited view and highly selective of what it writes. pretty sure no one has 'got off lightly' if you actually read the real argus news paper two of the men were described of 'good character', one of those had a full time job and the other studying at university so now because one selective judge has decided that he wants to 'make an example' of them they are in prison. This happened almost two years ago, much reflection has been done since then and much regret has been felt. I think you'll find they're not "all idiots" what gives you the rights to say that? you don't know them. Most of them were grown men who should know better and be setting an example but some of the younger men have obviously been falsely led and not everyone got arrested only a targeted few simply because of appearance or being bigger than the rest which is just not fair. It has everything to do with rapists and murderers getting the same/ even less sentences than this it's stupid and unjust and its obviously going a bit far comparing a ridiculous situation of cutting someone up, its the sort of mistake of casually turning up to this sort of thing (obviously stupidly)i hardly think you can compare an assault on an innocent woman to a stupid football fight which is pathetic, no one got injured only today it was reported in the guardian that 70 people died in egypt football violence this is NOTHING compared to that and utterly pathetic. there are a lot of things needed to be 'stamped out' as you put it mate but for some of these men this is just unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Firstly to point out you mentioned we don't know the circumstances from watching the video & reading the article. This would be the same video & article you are basing your opinions & judgements on. This incident went on for a good 15-20minutes and if you are seriously suggesting that the Police have charged people with varying degrees of assault, public disorder or any other charges then I think your a very confused individual. In regards to them having "tough times" this is not an invitation to go out and knowingly break the laws of the land, regardless of how terrible your life is. Public opinion is usually swayed by the crime not the guilty persons nature. In this case these people have shown up to a organised fight to knock each other about & others have CHOSEN to get involved. They have broken the law despite there "good character" and engaged in a public brawl. I pray & hope they do regret what they have done but unfortunately for them their complete Neanderthal behaviour has landed them in jail where they belong. Laws keep order otherwise we would all be living in the wild west. In my very educated opinion they all have to pay the consequences of there idiotic behaviour. How do you know that no one got injured??? Ah because its not written in the article... And if you are going to be falsely led at a young adult age into a brawl then im afraid that does make you an idiot. How can you then go on and target murderers??? How about if some murderers killed in self defence or in a fit a passion or if they were young and too stupid to say no... And what happened in Egypt could well be the result of the police not stamping out incidents like this, It could well be a result of bad policing and a snowball effect from a punch up to 74 deaths. Thank Christ your not running the judicial system...[/p][/quote]Actually no i think i have much more rights than you to comment on the situation, I actually know people involved and know the circumstances so thats a bit awkward seeing as you're wrong. You really could never understand / know what I know so please don't try to contradict me when all you've done is read this article, I actually know what I'm talking about and I know for certain some individuals certainly do regret what they did and it was a stupid mistake.. Who do you think you are to go round calling people idiots? Why do you even care? Thank Christ your not running the judicial system because you clearly cannot understand other peoples views and cannot appreciate the actual conditions of this incident, at least I am not an obnoxious judging **** and don't go as far to say "in my very educated opinion". I am just as educated as you and how does education make any difference to this matter to be perfectly honest so keep you're invalid opinions to yourself and learn you're facts before jumping in and making false accusations :) wrongdoing101
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12:07am Fri 3 Feb 12

Baldseagull says...

sandalman wrote:
Oh by the way, real men dont need to fight!
Real men don't wear Sandals.
[quote][p][bold]sandalman[/bold] wrote: Oh by the way, real men dont need to fight![/p][/quote]Real men don't wear Sandals. Baldseagull
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12:10am Fri 3 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
BHArulz wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote:
Actually no i don't think any of YOU have the right to make a judgement, you don't even know the circumstances all you've done is watch the video and read this article, some people who got a YEAR in prison were standing on the sideline (yes they shouldn't have been there but we've all made mistakes, you don't know what sort of tough times they had been going through so you have no right to just make a judgement of them without knowing them) , this is a newspaper, it is obviously a very limited view and highly selective of what it writes. pretty sure no one has 'got off lightly' if you actually read the real argus news paper two of the men were described of 'good character', one of those had a full time job and the other studying at university so now because one selective judge has decided that he wants to 'make an example' of them they are in prison. This happened almost two years ago, much reflection has been done since then and much regret has been felt. I think you'll find they're not "all idiots" what gives you the rights to say that? you don't know them. Most of them were grown men who should know better and be setting an example but some of the younger men have obviously been falsely led and not everyone got arrested only a targeted few simply because of appearance or being bigger than the rest which is just not fair. It has everything to do with rapists and murderers getting the same/ even less sentences than this it's stupid and unjust and its obviously going a bit far comparing a ridiculous situation of cutting someone up, its the sort of mistake of casually turning up to this sort of thing (obviously stupidly)i hardly think you can compare an assault on an innocent woman to a stupid football fight which is pathetic, no one got injured only today it was reported in the guardian that 70 people died in egypt football violence this is NOTHING compared to that and utterly pathetic. there are a lot of things needed to be 'stamped out' as you put it mate but for some of these men this is just unnecessary.
Firstly to point out you mentioned we don't know the circumstances from watching the video & reading the article. This would be the same video & article you are basing your opinions & judgements on. This incident went on for a good 15-20minutes and if you are seriously suggesting that the Police have charged people with varying degrees of assault, public disorder or any other charges then I think your a very confused individual. In regards to them having "tough times" this is not an invitation to go out and knowingly break the laws of the land, regardless of how terrible your life is.

Public opinion is usually swayed by the crime not the guilty persons nature. In this case these people have shown up to a organised fight to knock each other about & others have CHOSEN to get involved. They have broken the law despite there "good character" and engaged in a public brawl. I pray & hope they do regret what they have done but unfortunately for them their complete Neanderthal behaviour has landed them in jail where they belong. Laws keep order otherwise we would all be living in the wild west.
In my very educated opinion they all have to pay the consequences of there idiotic behaviour. How do you know that no one got injured??? Ah because its not written in the article... And if you are going to be falsely led at a young adult age into a brawl then im afraid that does make you an idiot. How can you then go on and target murderers??? How about if some murderers killed in self defence or in a fit a passion or if they were young and too stupid to say no...

And what happened in Egypt could well be the result of the police not stamping out incidents like this, It could well be a result of bad policing and a snowball effect from a punch up to 74 deaths.

Thank Christ your not running the judicial system...
Actually no i think i have much more rights than you to comment on the situation, I actually know people involved and know the circumstances so thats a bit awkward seeing as you're wrong. You really could never understand / know what I know so please don't try to contradict me when all you've done is read this article, I actually know what I'm talking about and I know for certain some individuals certainly do regret what they did and it was a stupid mistake.. Who do you think you are to go round calling people idiots? Why do you even care? Thank Christ your not running the judicial system because you clearly cannot understand other peoples views and cannot appreciate the actual conditions of this incident, at least I am not an obnoxious judging **** and don't go as far to say "in my very educated opinion". I am just as educated as you and how does education make any difference to this matter to be perfectly honest so keep you're invalid opinions to yourself and learn you're facts before jumping in and making false accusations :)
Don't believe I made any accusations???

I care firstly as this happened in my community (which gives me the right to make my opinions) and these thugs have these fights in the name of football which leaves the fans of these clubs with a reputation, because some plebs cannot make informed decisions.

Can't see how I am wrong as they broke the law.

However I can understand other people views as in my professional career this is one of it main aspects however so far have not offered one, apart from some tripe about how times are tough... Of course there are many aspects too a crime but if the rules are broken you will be punished. In terms of my "very educated opinion" i mentioned this in terms of having to deal with this on a day to day basis with my professional career, this was not written to attempt to make myself feel superior or make you feel inadequate and if this was achieved I sincerely apologise to you anyone it may have caused offence too.

As this is a public forum there can be no such thing as an invalid opinion otherwise we would not live in a democracy, I'm just disappointed that this still happens in a educated modern society and that you clearly are incapable to have a debate without resulting to swearing and name calling.

I know that the people involved are friendly & nice people but if you break the law then you will pay the price.

Great to exchange views with you.

Goodnight...
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHArulz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: Actually no i don't think any of YOU have the right to make a judgement, you don't even know the circumstances all you've done is watch the video and read this article, some people who got a YEAR in prison were standing on the sideline (yes they shouldn't have been there but we've all made mistakes, you don't know what sort of tough times they had been going through so you have no right to just make a judgement of them without knowing them) , this is a newspaper, it is obviously a very limited view and highly selective of what it writes. pretty sure no one has 'got off lightly' if you actually read the real argus news paper two of the men were described of 'good character', one of those had a full time job and the other studying at university so now because one selective judge has decided that he wants to 'make an example' of them they are in prison. This happened almost two years ago, much reflection has been done since then and much regret has been felt. I think you'll find they're not "all idiots" what gives you the rights to say that? you don't know them. Most of them were grown men who should know better and be setting an example but some of the younger men have obviously been falsely led and not everyone got arrested only a targeted few simply because of appearance or being bigger than the rest which is just not fair. It has everything to do with rapists and murderers getting the same/ even less sentences than this it's stupid and unjust and its obviously going a bit far comparing a ridiculous situation of cutting someone up, its the sort of mistake of casually turning up to this sort of thing (obviously stupidly)i hardly think you can compare an assault on an innocent woman to a stupid football fight which is pathetic, no one got injured only today it was reported in the guardian that 70 people died in egypt football violence this is NOTHING compared to that and utterly pathetic. there are a lot of things needed to be 'stamped out' as you put it mate but for some of these men this is just unnecessary.[/p][/quote]Firstly to point out you mentioned we don't know the circumstances from watching the video & reading the article. This would be the same video & article you are basing your opinions & judgements on. This incident went on for a good 15-20minutes and if you are seriously suggesting that the Police have charged people with varying degrees of assault, public disorder or any other charges then I think your a very confused individual. In regards to them having "tough times" this is not an invitation to go out and knowingly break the laws of the land, regardless of how terrible your life is. Public opinion is usually swayed by the crime not the guilty persons nature. In this case these people have shown up to a organised fight to knock each other about & others have CHOSEN to get involved. They have broken the law despite there "good character" and engaged in a public brawl. I pray & hope they do regret what they have done but unfortunately for them their complete Neanderthal behaviour has landed them in jail where they belong. Laws keep order otherwise we would all be living in the wild west. In my very educated opinion they all have to pay the consequences of there idiotic behaviour. How do you know that no one got injured??? Ah because its not written in the article... And if you are going to be falsely led at a young adult age into a brawl then im afraid that does make you an idiot. How can you then go on and target murderers??? How about if some murderers killed in self defence or in a fit a passion or if they were young and too stupid to say no... And what happened in Egypt could well be the result of the police not stamping out incidents like this, It could well be a result of bad policing and a snowball effect from a punch up to 74 deaths. Thank Christ your not running the judicial system...[/p][/quote]Actually no i think i have much more rights than you to comment on the situation, I actually know people involved and know the circumstances so thats a bit awkward seeing as you're wrong. You really could never understand / know what I know so please don't try to contradict me when all you've done is read this article, I actually know what I'm talking about and I know for certain some individuals certainly do regret what they did and it was a stupid mistake.. Who do you think you are to go round calling people idiots? Why do you even care? Thank Christ your not running the judicial system because you clearly cannot understand other peoples views and cannot appreciate the actual conditions of this incident, at least I am not an obnoxious judging **** and don't go as far to say "in my very educated opinion". I am just as educated as you and how does education make any difference to this matter to be perfectly honest so keep you're invalid opinions to yourself and learn you're facts before jumping in and making false accusations :)[/p][/quote]Don't believe I made any accusations??? I care firstly as this happened in my community (which gives me the right to make my opinions) and these thugs have these fights in the name of football which leaves the fans of these clubs with a reputation, because some plebs cannot make informed decisions. Can't see how I am wrong as they broke the law. However I can understand other people views as in my professional career this is one of it main aspects however so far have not offered one, apart from some tripe about how times are tough... Of course there are many aspects too a crime but if the rules are broken you will be punished. In terms of my "very educated opinion" i mentioned this in terms of having to deal with this on a day to day basis with my professional career, this was not written to attempt to make myself feel superior or make you feel inadequate and if this was achieved I sincerely apologise to you anyone it may have caused offence too. As this is a public forum there can be no such thing as an invalid opinion otherwise we would not live in a democracy, I'm just disappointed that this still happens in a educated modern society and that you clearly are incapable to have a debate without resulting to swearing and name calling. I know that the people involved are friendly & nice people but if you break the law then you will pay the price. Great to exchange views with you. Goodnight... BHArulz
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12:14am Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post:
Wow, moronic post no.5!
Points:
* Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No.
* We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA.
* Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner?
I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on.
I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat.
There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club.
Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club.
S.P out.
In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post: Wow, moronic post no.5! Points: * Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No. * We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA. * Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner? I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on. I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat. There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club. Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club. S.P out. Stoneham Park
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12:35am Fri 3 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post:
Wow, moronic post no.5!
Points:
* Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No.
* We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA.
* Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner?
I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on.
I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat.
There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club.
Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club.
S.P out.
Stoneham thank you thought I was going crazy... You planning the trip to Anfield???
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post: Wow, moronic post no.5! Points: * Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No. * We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA. * Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner? I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on. I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat. There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club. Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club. S.P out.[/p][/quote]Stoneham thank you thought I was going crazy... You planning the trip to Anfield??? BHArulz
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12:41am Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

BHArulz wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote: In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post: Wow, moronic post no.5! Points: * Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No. * We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA. * Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner? I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on. I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat. There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club. Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club. S.P out.
Stoneham thank you thought I was going crazy... You planning the trip to Anfield???
Can't seem to quote without throwing a dissertation-like message out there!
--
I would like to, I now live in Gloucester so the trip is a lot easier. If I can get a couple of tickets I'll take the lady up north ;)
How about yourself?
[quote][p][bold]BHArulz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post: Wow, moronic post no.5! Points: * Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No. * We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA. * Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner? I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on. I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat. There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club. Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club. S.P out.[/p][/quote]Stoneham thank you thought I was going crazy... You planning the trip to Anfield???[/p][/quote]Can't seem to quote without throwing a dissertation-like message out there! -- I would like to, I now live in Gloucester so the trip is a lot easier. If I can get a couple of tickets I'll take the lady up north ;) How about yourself? Stoneham Park
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12:48am Fri 3 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
BHArulz wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote: In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post: Wow, moronic post no.5! Points: * Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No. * We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA. * Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner? I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on. I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat. There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club. Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club. S.P out.
Stoneham thank you thought I was going crazy... You planning the trip to Anfield???
Can't seem to quote without throwing a dissertation-like message out there!
--
I would like to, I now live in Gloucester so the trip is a lot easier. If I can get a couple of tickets I'll take the lady up north ;)
How about yourself?
No such luck for me. I'm currently serving overseas. But hope to get back for the end of the season. Not made it to the AMEX yet that will be my first port of call. Still always on here getting the latest reports so not missing much.
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHArulz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post: Wow, moronic post no.5! Points: * Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No. * We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA. * Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner? I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on. I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat. There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club. Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club. S.P out.[/p][/quote]Stoneham thank you thought I was going crazy... You planning the trip to Anfield???[/p][/quote]Can't seem to quote without throwing a dissertation-like message out there! -- I would like to, I now live in Gloucester so the trip is a lot easier. If I can get a couple of tickets I'll take the lady up north ;) How about yourself?[/p][/quote]No such luck for me. I'm currently serving overseas. But hope to get back for the end of the season. Not made it to the AMEX yet that will be my first port of call. Still always on here getting the latest reports so not missing much. BHArulz
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12:55am Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

BHArulz wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote:
BHArulz wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote: In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post: Wow, moronic post no.5! Points: * Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No. * We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA. * Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner? I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on. I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat. There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club. Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club. S.P out.
Stoneham thank you thought I was going crazy... You planning the trip to Anfield???
Can't seem to quote without throwing a dissertation-like message out there! -- I would like to, I now live in Gloucester so the trip is a lot easier. If I can get a couple of tickets I'll take the lady up north ;) How about yourself?
No such luck for me. I'm currently serving overseas. But hope to get back for the end of the season. Not made it to the AMEX yet that will be my first port of call. Still always on here getting the latest reports so not missing much.
Pretty much the same for me, I've been in Aus for 2.5 years and only recently got back so haven't been able to get to the Amex yet either.
Was once in the RAF Reg't, glad to have a fellow serviceman on the forums.
[quote][p][bold]BHArulz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHArulz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: In reference to 'Wrongdoing101' and the above post: Wow, moronic post no.5! Points: * Your friends only regret their actions because they got caught. Had they not been caught & punished would they be remorseful? No. * We care because your idiot friends bring down our clean & peaceful club and give the media reasons to give a negative potrayal of BHA. * Education makes the biggest difference on this matter, I can guarantere your friends have had little education and possibly poorer raising resulting in organising brawls in the street. Why instead of having a slap-off in the street, go to work, learn a new skill, spend some time with the pregnant partner? I fully back BHArulz's opinions, we BHA fans occasionaly disagree on BHA related posts however he/she has this spot on. I'm not trying to be an a$$, I can just see you've got tinted specs on as this particular case relates to your friends so you are extremely biased which I can understand somewhat. There is no need for violence, racism or homophobia in football and BHA have had a good record of keeping it away from our club. Setting this minimal example on your thug mates will keep their personal activies and interests away from the genuine fans and great club. S.P out.[/p][/quote]Stoneham thank you thought I was going crazy... You planning the trip to Anfield???[/p][/quote]Can't seem to quote without throwing a dissertation-like message out there! -- I would like to, I now live in Gloucester so the trip is a lot easier. If I can get a couple of tickets I'll take the lady up north ;) How about yourself?[/p][/quote]No such luck for me. I'm currently serving overseas. But hope to get back for the end of the season. Not made it to the AMEX yet that will be my first port of call. Still always on here getting the latest reports so not missing much.[/p][/quote]Pretty much the same for me, I've been in Aus for 2.5 years and only recently got back so haven't been able to get to the Amex yet either. Was once in the RAF Reg't, glad to have a fellow serviceman on the forums. Stoneham Park
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1:01am Fri 3 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

854 squadron. Royal Navy. Sorry to disappoint. Pleasure talking to you sir.
854 squadron. Royal Navy. Sorry to disappoint. Pleasure talking to you sir. BHArulz
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8:16am Fri 3 Feb 12

Archie Bun says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
Archie Bun wrote:
Cabin fever wrote:
Archie Bun wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...
Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.
Wow full of ignorance today aren't we! Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it. Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world! It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder. No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)
How obtuse are you? Most people DO NOT like football, and i merely used the example of church to show that just because a lot of people do it doesn't mean the majority of the people do. Are you really so thick or are you having to practise? Your idea that the only people who don't like football are the ones who didn't play well at school merely highlights your ignorance. If anyone sounds like they have a chip on their shoulder you take the prize. To the majority of the population football just does not figure.
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.[/p][/quote]That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...[/p][/quote]Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.[/p][/quote]Wow full of ignorance today aren't we! Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it. Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world! It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder. No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)[/p][/quote]How obtuse are you? Most people DO NOT like football, and i merely used the example of church to show that just because a lot of people do it doesn't mean the majority of the people do. Are you really so thick or are you having to practise? Your idea that the only people who don't like football are the ones who didn't play well at school merely highlights your ignorance. If anyone sounds like they have a chip on their shoulder you take the prize. To the majority of the population football just does not figure. Archie Bun
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9:10am Fri 3 Feb 12

Baldseagull says...

David Prowse, now 34, of Sompting Road, Lancing, confronted Asli in the exchanges.
If only he had brought his light Sabre to the fight.
David Prowse, now 34, of Sompting Road, Lancing, confronted Asli in the exchanges. If only he had brought his light Sabre to the fight. Baldseagull
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9:47am Fri 3 Feb 12

Baldseagull says...

Archie Bun wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote:
Archie Bun wrote:
Cabin fever wrote:
Archie Bun wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...
Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.
Wow full of ignorance today aren't we! Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it. Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world! It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder. No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)
How obtuse are you? Most people DO NOT like football, and i merely used the example of church to show that just because a lot of people do it doesn't mean the majority of the people do. Are you really so thick or are you having to practise? Your idea that the only people who don't like football are the ones who didn't play well at school merely highlights your ignorance. If anyone sounds like they have a chip on their shoulder you take the prize. To the majority of the population football just does not figure.
You two should meet up on Albion Hill.
For someone who seems to find violence so abhorrent Archie, you are doing a good job of winding up for a fight.
I don't know many people who have no interest in Football at all, even if it is just in how their local side are faring.
Football IS the most popular sport for spectators and only comes behind fishing and swimming in participation, if you count fishing as a sport rather than a passtime, and all those who go to swimming pools as sportsmen.
Attendances at Churches and Football stadiums are not the totals of all those of any faith and all those with any interest in football.
I do understand that some people are baffled by the passion of others for football, just as I struggle to understand how apparently otherwise sane people give over large sums of cash to a church, so that they can retain the services of a peadophile to preach Godliness to them.
[quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.[/p][/quote]That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...[/p][/quote]Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.[/p][/quote]Wow full of ignorance today aren't we! Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it. Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world! It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder. No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)[/p][/quote]How obtuse are you? Most people DO NOT like football, and i merely used the example of church to show that just because a lot of people do it doesn't mean the majority of the people do. Are you really so thick or are you having to practise? Your idea that the only people who don't like football are the ones who didn't play well at school merely highlights your ignorance. If anyone sounds like they have a chip on their shoulder you take the prize. To the majority of the population football just does not figure.[/p][/quote]You two should meet up on Albion Hill. For someone who seems to find violence so abhorrent Archie, you are doing a good job of winding up for a fight. I don't know many people who have no interest in Football at all, even if it is just in how their local side are faring. Football IS the most popular sport for spectators and only comes behind fishing and swimming in participation, if you count fishing as a sport rather than a passtime, and all those who go to swimming pools as sportsmen. Attendances at Churches and Football stadiums are not the totals of all those of any faith and all those with any interest in football. I do understand that some people are baffled by the passion of others for football, just as I struggle to understand how apparently otherwise sane people give over large sums of cash to a church, so that they can retain the services of a peadophile to preach Godliness to them. Baldseagull
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11:14am Fri 3 Feb 12

Bobabooey says...

AmboGuy wrote:
Bobabooey wrote:
fascinator - That's a pretty big cupboard. How silly of me to think that police would be in a police station.
Oh dear you're just not understanding this are you??? Sussex Police are so stretched right now that all it takes is for one crew to be down custody dealing with someone, one crew arresting a shoplifter and one crew to be speaking to the victim of a domestic assault for them all to be tied up doing other stuff.
You really are very naive if you think they're at the station twiddling their thumbs waiting for calls to come in.
I can only assume you have never been to Brighton. Are you telling me that no Police Cars were within 15 minutes of the Police Station on a Saturday afternoon? Go out this Saturday afternoon around that area and tell me how many you see. I think you might be suprised.
[quote][p][bold]AmboGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobabooey[/bold] wrote: fascinator - That's a pretty big cupboard. How silly of me to think that police would be in a police station.[/p][/quote]Oh dear you're just not understanding this are you??? Sussex Police are so stretched right now that all it takes is for one crew to be down custody dealing with someone, one crew arresting a shoplifter and one crew to be speaking to the victim of a domestic assault for them all to be tied up doing other stuff. You really are very naive if you think they're at the station twiddling their thumbs waiting for calls to come in.[/p][/quote]I can only assume you have never been to Brighton. Are you telling me that no Police Cars were within 15 minutes of the Police Station on a Saturday afternoon? Go out this Saturday afternoon around that area and tell me how many you see. I think you might be suprised. Bobabooey
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12:10pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

Archie Bun wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote:
Archie Bun wrote:
Cabin fever wrote:
Archie Bun wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.
That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...
Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.
Wow full of ignorance today aren't we! Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it. Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world! It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder. No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)
How obtuse are you? Most people DO NOT like football, and i merely used the example of church to show that just because a lot of people do it doesn't mean the majority of the people do. Are you really so thick or are you having to practise? Your idea that the only people who don't like football are the ones who didn't play well at school merely highlights your ignorance. If anyone sounds like they have a chip on their shoulder you take the prize. To the majority of the population football just does not figure.
Ugh, hoping you you would leave it alone and not bother replying. It's getting tiring, especially when you reply with that above, which has no worthwhile content.
I never came up with the magical idea that 'everyone who isn't good at football doesn't like it'. I just said that was probably your case.
What would I have a chip on my shoulder about? I live a great life, I'm half decent at football, I have a very interesting job, I have a stunning girlfriend and to top it off, I can sit here during work and write this reply without any worry :D
Last point, most people DO like football. Go out to Western Road and perform a quick survey, 'yes or no'. I think you're return is likely to be about 80-20 Yes.
[quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cabin fever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archie Bun[/bold] wrote: Contrary to the quote, most people do not like football. Especially because it is often linked with violence. It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons, but they spoil it for the rest so it is no wonder that that is the stereotypical footbal fan. Sad also to see that they weren't all teenagers, with some of them in their 30s or 40s.[/p][/quote]That old chestnut eh? Because "most people don't like football", is that why seven of the most read stories on this site are currently Albion-related? And three of the five most commented? And as for your "It is a sport followed by morons. Not all the 'fans' are morons," line – wouldn't it be better to write "Some of the fans that follow football are morons"? A bit like some of the fans that follow, rugby, darts, cricket, tennis, etc, etc, etc, etc. You normally only hear about the ones at football because, guess what, that's the most popular! Pass me the broom when you are finishished with your sweeping statements...[/p][/quote]Most people do not like football. Deal with it. Just because you like it doesn't mean the majority do. More people go to church than go to football, but most people don't go to church. Comprehend? And as for fans, i've never heard of tennis or darts fans arranging a mass brawl. Idiot. Football is the only sport that has a reputation for violence amongst fans.[/p][/quote]Wow full of ignorance today aren't we! Football is THE world game, sure not everyone likes it but most people do. You deal with it. Also don't use Church and religion as being more famous than football in the same breath as no other sporting events have thuggish hooligans. Church & religion are the biggest cause of violence in the world! It sounds like you just weren't good at football as a child, didn't fit in and therefore grew up with a big chip on your shoulder. No need to panic though, I'll be happy to give you some coaching :)[/p][/quote]How obtuse are you? Most people DO NOT like football, and i merely used the example of church to show that just because a lot of people do it doesn't mean the majority of the people do. Are you really so thick or are you having to practise? Your idea that the only people who don't like football are the ones who didn't play well at school merely highlights your ignorance. If anyone sounds like they have a chip on their shoulder you take the prize. To the majority of the population football just does not figure.[/p][/quote]Ugh, hoping you you would leave it alone and not bother replying. It's getting tiring, especially when you reply with that above, which has no worthwhile content. I never came up with the magical idea that 'everyone who isn't good at football doesn't like it'. I just said that was probably your case. What would I have a chip on my shoulder about? I live a great life, I'm half decent at football, I have a very interesting job, I have a stunning girlfriend and to top it off, I can sit here during work and write this reply without any worry :D Last point, most people DO like football. Go out to Western Road and perform a quick survey, 'yes or no'. I think you're return is likely to be about 80-20 Yes. Stoneham Park
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1:37pm Fri 3 Feb 12

JaseBHA says...

If you're going to make such a sweeping claim as 'most people don't like football', Mr Stoneham Park, you should back it up with some figures, and a source for those figures. Just because YOU think that's the case doesn't make it a fact.

And bogs, I understand irony all too well - I make a living checking written English. (Yours would fail, dismally, by the way). If you could point out which part of your message is an example of irony, it would be most edifying for all of us. Cheers!
If you're going to make such a sweeping claim as 'most people don't like football', Mr Stoneham Park, you should back it up with some figures, and a source for those figures. Just because YOU think that's the case doesn't make it a fact. And bogs, I understand irony all too well - I make a living checking written English. (Yours would fail, dismally, by the way). If you could point out which part of your message is an example of irony, it would be most edifying for all of us. Cheers! JaseBHA
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4:02pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Barquentine says...

' Dante Lauder-Hawkins, 22, of Exmoor Street, Ladbroke Grove, London, was described as “posturing and goading, remaining somewhat behind the front of the group”. '

Sounds like Dante went to the wrong meet - I'm sure he meant to go to the Oxford/Cambridge boat race. Boli-Stoli anyone ?
' Dante Lauder-Hawkins, 22, of Exmoor Street, Ladbroke Grove, London, was described as “posturing and goading, remaining somewhat behind the front of the group”. ' Sounds like Dante went to the wrong meet - I'm sure he meant to go to the Oxford/Cambridge boat race. Boli-Stoli anyone ? Barquentine
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4:37pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

JaseBHA wrote:
If you're going to make such a sweeping claim as 'most people don't like football', Mr Stoneham Park, you should back it up with some figures, and a source for those figures. Just because YOU think that's the case doesn't make it a fact.

And bogs, I understand irony all too well - I make a living checking written English. (Yours would fail, dismally, by the way). If you could point out which part of your message is an example of irony, it would be most edifying for all of us. Cheers!
I think you should consider reading through the earlier posts Jase,
I await your apology :D
[quote][p][bold]JaseBHA[/bold] wrote: If you're going to make such a sweeping claim as 'most people don't like football', Mr Stoneham Park, you should back it up with some figures, and a source for those figures. Just because YOU think that's the case doesn't make it a fact. And bogs, I understand irony all too well - I make a living checking written English. (Yours would fail, dismally, by the way). If you could point out which part of your message is an example of irony, it would be most edifying for all of us. Cheers![/p][/quote]I think you should consider reading through the earlier posts Jase, I await your apology :D Stoneham Park
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5:08pm Fri 3 Feb 12

JaseBHA says...

I duly humbly apologise - I addressed my ire at the wrong person, and should have directed that at Archie Bun! I got rather confused by the 'quote within quote within quote' rectangles. I'm off for a bit of a lie down... *blush*
I duly humbly apologise - I addressed my ire at the wrong person, and should have directed that at Archie Bun! I got rather confused by the 'quote within quote within quote' rectangles. I'm off for a bit of a lie down... *blush* JaseBHA
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5:12pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

JaseBHA wrote:
I duly humbly apologise - I addressed my ire at the wrong person, and should have directed that at Archie Bun! I got rather confused by the 'quote within quote within quote' rectangles. I'm off for a bit of a lie down... *blush*
Haha no worries. Had a bit of a house of commons type debate on here late last night, I think everyone's a bit tired out from it!
[quote][p][bold]JaseBHA[/bold] wrote: I duly humbly apologise - I addressed my ire at the wrong person, and should have directed that at Archie Bun! I got rather confused by the 'quote within quote within quote' rectangles. I'm off for a bit of a lie down... *blush*[/p][/quote]Haha no worries. Had a bit of a house of commons type debate on here late last night, I think everyone's a bit tired out from it! Stoneham Park
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6:00pm Fri 3 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....
All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there.... wrongdoing101
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8:25pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Bladesboy Returns says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....
what a strange comparison to make
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....[/p][/quote]what a strange comparison to make Bladesboy Returns
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8:49pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....
That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it.
Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment.
Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work!
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....[/p][/quote]That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it. Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment. Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work! Stoneham Park
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9:02pm Fri 3 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote:
All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....
That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it.
Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment.
Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work!
hahahahah how would you know my main point? I don't even know you and you don't know anything about me so awkward.. please just stop commenting i'm pretty sure there isn't winning or losing in this argument, plz grow up you are probally like 40 years older than I am and don't know anything about the case... I was actually in court so know much more than you please stop putting across you're wrong opinion and get you're facts straight
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....[/p][/quote]That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it. Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment. Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work![/p][/quote]hahahahah how would you know my main point? I don't even know you and you don't know anything about me so awkward.. please just stop commenting i'm pretty sure there isn't winning or losing in this argument, plz grow up you are probally like 40 years older than I am and don't know anything about the case... I was actually in court so know much more than you please stop putting across you're wrong opinion and get you're facts straight wrongdoing101
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9:59pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....
That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it. Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment. Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work!
hahahahah how would you know my main point? I don't even know you and you don't know anything about me so awkward.. please just stop commenting i'm pretty sure there isn't winning or losing in this argument, plz grow up you are probally like 40 years older than I am and don't know anything about the case... I was actually in court so know much more than you please stop putting across you're wrong opinion and get you're facts straight
I'm mid-twenties thanks :)
Even if I was 40 years older, what relevance would that be?
What's awkward? You changing your argument for all to see and digging yourself into a very lonely hole?
I don't see which facts I've also gotten wrong, going by the video and report I'd say I'd gotten most things spot on? Out of curiosity, where you one of the morons charged and bitter about your punishment or more probable, one of your morons friends who you're poorly defending? I guess the latter? Either way I hope you have a banning order from the Amex to keep the anti-social behaviour away.
Next?
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....[/p][/quote]That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it. Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment. Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work![/p][/quote]hahahahah how would you know my main point? I don't even know you and you don't know anything about me so awkward.. please just stop commenting i'm pretty sure there isn't winning or losing in this argument, plz grow up you are probally like 40 years older than I am and don't know anything about the case... I was actually in court so know much more than you please stop putting across you're wrong opinion and get you're facts straight[/p][/quote]I'm mid-twenties thanks :) Even if I was 40 years older, what relevance would that be? What's awkward? You changing your argument for all to see and digging yourself into a very lonely hole? I don't see which facts I've also gotten wrong, going by the video and report I'd say I'd gotten most things spot on? Out of curiosity, where you one of the morons charged and bitter about your punishment or more probable, one of your morons friends who you're poorly defending? I guess the latter? Either way I hope you have a banning order from the Amex to keep the anti-social behaviour away. Next? Stoneham Park
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10:43pm Fri 3 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....
That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it. Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment. Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work!
hahahahah how would you know my main point? I don't even know you and you don't know anything about me so awkward.. please just stop commenting i'm pretty sure there isn't winning or losing in this argument, plz grow up you are probally like 40 years older than I am and don't know anything about the case... I was actually in court so know much more than you please stop putting across you're wrong opinion and get you're facts straight
I'm mid-twenties thanks :) Even if I was 40 years older, what relevance would that be? What's awkward? You changing your argument for all to see and digging yourself into a very lonely hole? I don't see which facts I've also gotten wrong, going by the video and report I'd say I'd gotten most things spot on? Out of curiosity, where you one of the morons charged and bitter about your punishment or more probable, one of your morons friends who you're poorly defending? I guess the latter? Either way I hope you have a banning order from the Amex to keep the anti-social behaviour away. Next?
If I was one "of the morons" I would be in some crap prison right now no? please just be quiet. Pretty sure you haven't got most things "spot on", no I don't have a banning order I just think that you should not be so quick to judge when you've just read some biased news report and don't know the full circumstances that's all so please just be quiet because I don't see why you're so bothered by this to be perfectly honest...
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....[/p][/quote]That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it. Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment. Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work![/p][/quote]hahahahah how would you know my main point? I don't even know you and you don't know anything about me so awkward.. please just stop commenting i'm pretty sure there isn't winning or losing in this argument, plz grow up you are probally like 40 years older than I am and don't know anything about the case... I was actually in court so know much more than you please stop putting across you're wrong opinion and get you're facts straight[/p][/quote]I'm mid-twenties thanks :) Even if I was 40 years older, what relevance would that be? What's awkward? You changing your argument for all to see and digging yourself into a very lonely hole? I don't see which facts I've also gotten wrong, going by the video and report I'd say I'd gotten most things spot on? Out of curiosity, where you one of the morons charged and bitter about your punishment or more probable, one of your morons friends who you're poorly defending? I guess the latter? Either way I hope you have a banning order from the Amex to keep the anti-social behaviour away. Next?[/p][/quote]If I was one "of the morons" I would be in some crap prison right now no? please just be quiet. Pretty sure you haven't got most things "spot on", no I don't have a banning order I just think that you should not be so quick to judge when you've just read some biased news report and don't know the full circumstances that's all so please just be quiet because I don't see why you're so bothered by this to be perfectly honest... wrongdoing101
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11:18pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....
That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it. Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment. Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work!
hahahahah how would you know my main point? I don't even know you and you don't know anything about me so awkward.. please just stop commenting i'm pretty sure there isn't winning or losing in this argument, plz grow up you are probally like 40 years older than I am and don't know anything about the case... I was actually in court so know much more than you please stop putting across you're wrong opinion and get you're facts straight
I'm mid-twenties thanks :) Even if I was 40 years older, what relevance would that be? What's awkward? You changing your argument for all to see and digging yourself into a very lonely hole? I don't see which facts I've also gotten wrong, going by the video and report I'd say I'd gotten most things spot on? Out of curiosity, where you one of the morons charged and bitter about your punishment or more probable, one of your morons friends who you're poorly defending? I guess the latter? Either way I hope you have a banning order from the Amex to keep the anti-social behaviour away. Next?
If I was one "of the morons" I would be in some crap prison right now no? please just be quiet. Pretty sure you haven't got most things "spot on", no I don't have a banning order I just think that you should not be so quick to judge when you've just read some biased news report and don't know the full circumstances that's all so please just be quiet because I don't see why you're so bothered by this to be perfectly honest...
Whaaaaaa... Whaaaaaaa.
My first few posts tell you why I'm bothered, I don't want to waste time and re-write every one of my points. Just scroll to the top of tha page.
Morons in jail have easy access to mobile phones & internet (very recent article about prisoners using facebook in jail, google it).
It's easy, I judge what I see. Morons organising fights in Brighton, said morons get charged. Case closed? No if's, and's or butt's, don't feel too bad for your mates though, they all probably have playstations, satellite tv & cooking facilities in their cells. We sure do have the best prison facilities in the UK don't we :D
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: All of you couldn't know how wrong you are, my main point being why should a man with EIGHT previous convictions get 13 months and a man with NONE gets 12 months, surely there is a problem there....[/p][/quote]That was never your 'main point'. You're just adjusting your argument because you have realised that you have lost it. Even so, if they both commited the same crime, they deserve the same punishment. Keep on trying though, it's giving me some entertainment at work![/p][/quote]hahahahah how would you know my main point? I don't even know you and you don't know anything about me so awkward.. please just stop commenting i'm pretty sure there isn't winning or losing in this argument, plz grow up you are probally like 40 years older than I am and don't know anything about the case... I was actually in court so know much more than you please stop putting across you're wrong opinion and get you're facts straight[/p][/quote]I'm mid-twenties thanks :) Even if I was 40 years older, what relevance would that be? What's awkward? You changing your argument for all to see and digging yourself into a very lonely hole? I don't see which facts I've also gotten wrong, going by the video and report I'd say I'd gotten most things spot on? Out of curiosity, where you one of the morons charged and bitter about your punishment or more probable, one of your morons friends who you're poorly defending? I guess the latter? Either way I hope you have a banning order from the Amex to keep the anti-social behaviour away. Next?[/p][/quote]If I was one "of the morons" I would be in some crap prison right now no? please just be quiet. Pretty sure you haven't got most things "spot on", no I don't have a banning order I just think that you should not be so quick to judge when you've just read some biased news report and don't know the full circumstances that's all so please just be quiet because I don't see why you're so bothered by this to be perfectly honest...[/p][/quote]Whaaaaaa... Whaaaaaaa. My first few posts tell you why I'm bothered, I don't want to waste time and re-write every one of my points. Just scroll to the top of tha page. Morons in jail have easy access to mobile phones & internet (very recent article about prisoners using facebook in jail, google it). It's easy, I judge what I see. Morons organising fights in Brighton, said morons get charged. Case closed? No if's, and's or butt's, don't feel too bad for your mates though, they all probably have playstations, satellite tv & cooking facilities in their cells. We sure do have the best prison facilities in the UK don't we :D Stoneham Park
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10:20am Sat 4 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

Surely banning from football for 6 years is a big enough punishment, when there are so many overcrowded prisons why would having three men who will never to anything again and have had much reflection over the issue, especially for the youngest one who had only actually been 18 for a few days, all due to one mad mistake which has consequently ruined his university career and potentially any future careers due to his conviction, it might be just a year to all you readers but it has actually ruined a prosperous young mans life.
Surely banning from football for 6 years is a big enough punishment, when there are so many overcrowded prisons why would having three men who will never to anything again and have had much reflection over the issue, especially for the youngest one who had only actually been 18 for a few days, all due to one mad mistake which has consequently ruined his university career and potentially any future careers due to his conviction, it might be just a year to all you readers but it has actually ruined a prosperous young mans life. wrongdoing101
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12:42pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
Surely banning from football for 6 years is a big enough punishment, when there are so many overcrowded prisons why would having three men who will never to anything again and have had much reflection over the issue, especially for the youngest one who had only actually been 18 for a few days, all due to one mad mistake which has consequently ruined his university career and potentially any future careers due to his conviction, it might be just a year to all you readers but it has actually ruined a prosperous young mans life.
I understand that it is a shame for your 18 year old mate and it will definitely affect his future. However, he decided to go out there with all the big boys and have a fight with the Tottenham lot.
He already knew what he was going in to and what the consequences would be.
He hasn't been hard done by, there's no injustice, just a fair punishment for the crime committed.
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: Surely banning from football for 6 years is a big enough punishment, when there are so many overcrowded prisons why would having three men who will never to anything again and have had much reflection over the issue, especially for the youngest one who had only actually been 18 for a few days, all due to one mad mistake which has consequently ruined his university career and potentially any future careers due to his conviction, it might be just a year to all you readers but it has actually ruined a prosperous young mans life.[/p][/quote]I understand that it is a shame for your 18 year old mate and it will definitely affect his future. However, he decided to go out there with all the big boys and have a fight with the Tottenham lot. He already knew what he was going in to and what the consequences would be. He hasn't been hard done by, there's no injustice, just a fair punishment for the crime committed. Stoneham Park
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1:27pm Sat 4 Feb 12

moronslayer says...

Glad to see a few morons are doing porridge.
What I would like to know is how they end up finding their cell mates so attractive in prison. It will be Valentine's day soon so I hope they can keep the romance alive...come on Trev...light a joss stick and lets go at it...
Maybe it's watching 90 minutes of synchronised mincing with blokes jumping on each other and kissing that helps prepare them for a stint inside.
Glad to see a few morons are doing porridge. What I would like to know is how they end up finding their cell mates so attractive in prison. It will be Valentine's day soon so I hope they can keep the romance alive...come on Trev...light a joss stick and lets go at it... Maybe it's watching 90 minutes of synchronised mincing with blokes jumping on each other and kissing that helps prepare them for a stint inside. moronslayer
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3:59pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

moronslayer wrote:
Glad to see a few morons are doing porridge.
What I would like to know is how they end up finding their cell mates so attractive in prison. It will be Valentine's day soon so I hope they can keep the romance alive...come on Trev...light a joss stick and lets go at it...
Maybe it's watching 90 minutes of synchronised mincing with blokes jumping on each other and kissing that helps prepare them for a stint inside.
Useless & moronic post as ever.
Shame there's no 'block' button for you because you're boring.
[quote][p][bold]moronslayer[/bold] wrote: Glad to see a few morons are doing porridge. What I would like to know is how they end up finding their cell mates so attractive in prison. It will be Valentine's day soon so I hope they can keep the romance alive...come on Trev...light a joss stick and lets go at it... Maybe it's watching 90 minutes of synchronised mincing with blokes jumping on each other and kissing that helps prepare them for a stint inside.[/p][/quote]Useless & moronic post as ever. Shame there's no 'block' button for you because you're boring. Stoneham Park
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4:53pm Sat 4 Feb 12

moronslayer says...

Sorry is it joss sticks or nappies you've run out of stoner park? Nothing funnier than a trolley-dolly having a major knicker-twist when someone knocks football. How can 'synchronised mincing' be boring?
Sorry is it joss sticks or nappies you've run out of stoner park? Nothing funnier than a trolley-dolly having a major knicker-twist when someone knocks football. How can 'synchronised mincing' be boring? moronslayer
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5:05pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

moronslayer wrote:
Sorry is it joss sticks or nappies you've run out of stoner park? Nothing funnier than a trolley-dolly having a major knicker-twist when someone knocks football. How can 'synchronised mincing' be boring?
You're still boring. There's not really any real content in your post to reply to. Just ignorance. We just won 1-0 so most people reading the Argus will be very happy right about now :D
Shame you can't join in with the celebrations, two left feet and no friends = no football interest yeah?
[quote][p][bold]moronslayer[/bold] wrote: Sorry is it joss sticks or nappies you've run out of stoner park? Nothing funnier than a trolley-dolly having a major knicker-twist when someone knocks football. How can 'synchronised mincing' be boring?[/p][/quote]You're still boring. There's not really any real content in your post to reply to. Just ignorance. We just won 1-0 so most people reading the Argus will be very happy right about now :D Shame you can't join in with the celebrations, two left feet and no friends = no football interest yeah? Stoneham Park
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5:27pm Sat 4 Feb 12

moronslayer says...

Football: owned by billionaires, played by millionaires, watched by morons.

(discreet advice: probably best to avoid using smileys unless you are 5 years old or texting other fuball girlfriends. I'm embarrassed for you now). Over and out.
Football: owned by billionaires, played by millionaires, watched by morons. (discreet advice: probably best to avoid using smileys unless you are 5 years old or texting other fuball girlfriends. I'm embarrassed for you now). Over and out. moronslayer
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5:47pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

moronslayer wrote:
Football: owned by billionaires, played by millionaires, watched by morons.

(discreet advice: probably best to avoid using smileys unless you are 5 years old or texting other fuball girlfriends. I'm embarrassed for you now). Over and out.
I've seen you post that same quote at least 3 times on here, why the need to keep re-posting it? No one listening to you?
Don't bash the smileys, they're cute boyfriend ;)
[quote][p][bold]moronslayer[/bold] wrote: Football: owned by billionaires, played by millionaires, watched by morons. (discreet advice: probably best to avoid using smileys unless you are 5 years old or texting other fuball girlfriends. I'm embarrassed for you now). Over and out.[/p][/quote]I've seen you post that same quote at least 3 times on here, why the need to keep re-posting it? No one listening to you? Don't bash the smileys, they're cute boyfriend ;) Stoneham Park
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8:40pm Sat 4 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much!
I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much! MarttttMart
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8:49pm Sat 4 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

MarttttMart wrote:
I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much!
I couldn't agree more, finally someone who understands my points, well said it is not fair that young boys should get stuck in the mix with real criminals when they in actual fact aren't, get ready pretty sure this "Stoneham Park" loser will have more incorrect judgments to make though so get ready for their false stupid wrong ideas, just trying to pick a fight with anyone possible!
[quote][p][bold]MarttttMart[/bold] wrote: I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much![/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more, finally someone who understands my points, well said it is not fair that young boys should get stuck in the mix with real criminals when they in actual fact aren't, get ready pretty sure this "Stoneham Park" loser will have more incorrect judgments to make though so get ready for their false stupid wrong ideas, just trying to pick a fight with anyone possible! wrongdoing101
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9:02pm Sat 4 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
MarttttMart wrote:
I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much!
I couldn't agree more, finally someone who understands my points, well said it is not fair that young boys should get stuck in the mix with real criminals when they in actual fact aren't, get ready pretty sure this "Stoneham Park" loser will have more incorrect judgments to make though so get ready for their false stupid wrong ideas, just trying to pick a fight with anyone possible!
Too right! And that the reporters have the cheek to call them 'football thugs' and humiliate them on the news with their addresses, as if they deserve that as well as a totally unfair sentences! They lock them away for a ridiculous reason, humiliate them in the news. This reporter was totally biased. I can't believe what society has come to, is there even any justice in this world anymore? None of you know these people personally, so if you are going to make unfair judgements on these people (as if they aren't going through enough at the moment) keep them to yourself! Has anyone even considered their families? Some of these men have kids, and their families certainly do not deserve this. Especially not the families of the young practically innocent ones!
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarttttMart[/bold] wrote: I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much![/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more, finally someone who understands my points, well said it is not fair that young boys should get stuck in the mix with real criminals when they in actual fact aren't, get ready pretty sure this "Stoneham Park" loser will have more incorrect judgments to make though so get ready for their false stupid wrong ideas, just trying to pick a fight with anyone possible![/p][/quote]Too right! And that the reporters have the cheek to call them 'football thugs' and humiliate them on the news with their addresses, as if they deserve that as well as a totally unfair sentences! They lock them away for a ridiculous reason, humiliate them in the news. This reporter was totally biased. I can't believe what society has come to, is there even any justice in this world anymore? None of you know these people personally, so if you are going to make unfair judgements on these people (as if they aren't going through enough at the moment) keep them to yourself! Has anyone even considered their families? Some of these men have kids, and their families certainly do not deserve this. Especially not the families of the young practically innocent ones! MarttttMart
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9:15pm Sat 4 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

MarttttMart wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote:
MarttttMart wrote: I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much!
I couldn't agree more, finally someone who understands my points, well said it is not fair that young boys should get stuck in the mix with real criminals when they in actual fact aren't, get ready pretty sure this "Stoneham Park" loser will have more incorrect judgments to make though so get ready for their false stupid wrong ideas, just trying to pick a fight with anyone possible!
Too right! And that the reporters have the cheek to call them 'football thugs' and humiliate them on the news with their addresses, as if they deserve that as well as a totally unfair sentences! They lock them away for a ridiculous reason, humiliate them in the news. This reporter was totally biased. I can't believe what society has come to, is there even any justice in this world anymore? None of you know these people personally, so if you are going to make unfair judgements on these people (as if they aren't going through enough at the moment) keep them to yourself! Has anyone even considered their families? Some of these men have kids, and their families certainly do not deserve this. Especially not the families of the young practically innocent ones!
Haha couldn't agree more, just wait you'll be called "one of the morons" probably too! I think it's so disgusting and wrong, yes 75% of these men are no good violent "thugs" but some of them are not especially the two youngest boys. No one has any idea what anyone else is going through so should not make these sort of judgements without knowing the full extent, spare a thought for their families who are obviously going through a tough time right now. I am absolutely disgusted and appalled by the outcome and verdict of this case and it is wrong on so many levels, as people in the United Kingdom I think we should be ashamed and embarrassed of our justice system clearly being so wrong in cases like this.
[quote][p][bold]MarttttMart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarttttMart[/bold] wrote: I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much![/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more, finally someone who understands my points, well said it is not fair that young boys should get stuck in the mix with real criminals when they in actual fact aren't, get ready pretty sure this "Stoneham Park" loser will have more incorrect judgments to make though so get ready for their false stupid wrong ideas, just trying to pick a fight with anyone possible![/p][/quote]Too right! And that the reporters have the cheek to call them 'football thugs' and humiliate them on the news with their addresses, as if they deserve that as well as a totally unfair sentences! They lock them away for a ridiculous reason, humiliate them in the news. This reporter was totally biased. I can't believe what society has come to, is there even any justice in this world anymore? None of you know these people personally, so if you are going to make unfair judgements on these people (as if they aren't going through enough at the moment) keep them to yourself! Has anyone even considered their families? Some of these men have kids, and their families certainly do not deserve this. Especially not the families of the young practically innocent ones![/p][/quote]Haha couldn't agree more, just wait you'll be called "one of the morons" probably too! I think it's so disgusting and wrong, yes 75% of these men are no good violent "thugs" but some of them are not especially the two youngest boys. No one has any idea what anyone else is going through so should not make these sort of judgements without knowing the full extent, spare a thought for their families who are obviously going through a tough time right now. I am absolutely disgusted and appalled by the outcome and verdict of this case and it is wrong on so many levels, as people in the United Kingdom I think we should be ashamed and embarrassed of our justice system clearly being so wrong in cases like this. wrongdoing101
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9:28pm Sat 4 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
MarttttMart wrote:
wrongdoing101 wrote:
MarttttMart wrote: I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much!
I couldn't agree more, finally someone who understands my points, well said it is not fair that young boys should get stuck in the mix with real criminals when they in actual fact aren't, get ready pretty sure this "Stoneham Park" loser will have more incorrect judgments to make though so get ready for their false stupid wrong ideas, just trying to pick a fight with anyone possible!
Too right! And that the reporters have the cheek to call them 'football thugs' and humiliate them on the news with their addresses, as if they deserve that as well as a totally unfair sentences! They lock them away for a ridiculous reason, humiliate them in the news. This reporter was totally biased. I can't believe what society has come to, is there even any justice in this world anymore? None of you know these people personally, so if you are going to make unfair judgements on these people (as if they aren't going through enough at the moment) keep them to yourself! Has anyone even considered their families? Some of these men have kids, and their families certainly do not deserve this. Especially not the families of the young practically innocent ones!
Haha couldn't agree more, just wait you'll be called "one of the morons" probably too! I think it's so disgusting and wrong, yes 75% of these men are no good violent "thugs" but some of them are not especially the two youngest boys. No one has any idea what anyone else is going through so should not make these sort of judgements without knowing the full extent, spare a thought for their families who are obviously going through a tough time right now. I am absolutely disgusted and appalled by the outcome and verdict of this case and it is wrong on so many levels, as people in the United Kingdom I think we should be ashamed and embarrassed of our justice system clearly being so wrong in cases like this.
If being called one of the morons is what it takes to get my opinion through, i don't mind. I think it's discgusting and ridiculous to anyone who agrees with their senteces. Imagine if they were their families, would be a totally different situation then wouldn't it! They have no consideration at all what so ever. If they could put themselves in the families of the young innocent boys shoes, well we'll see how they'd cope! And if anyone dares to start on their 'up bringing' don't even bother! One of these young lads has known to be described as a very lovable person. This was 'completely out of his character' and he is studying at uni and was his first offence. More than I can say about most scumbags out there! The families obviously do not need to see their loved ones being represented as a 'thug' as people would like to judge them as. TOTALLY agree, I am 100% embarrassed to be apart of the United Kingdom if this is what it has come to!! Innocent people should have freedom!
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarttttMart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarttttMart[/bold] wrote: I could not agree more with wrongdoing101. These four boys who had no previous convictions yet got 12 months purely for the fact they turned up is bang out of order. The judge seemed to have been trying to 'prove a point' but all of these sentences are way out of line! One of these young lads was only just 18 at the time, if this were to happen before his birthday the outcome would have been so much different. It also states this behaviour was 'completely out of character.' I do believe some of these who had never been in trouble prior this occasion could have simply been caught up in the moment. I do realise it is wrong to turn up to these situations and should not have, but some people involved in the video do look like they were simply defending themself, one boy in particular I spotted trying to get away from the nonsence yet gets chased and repeatedly punched in the head. Most of these boys who were caught would not regret it only because they got caught, but because they realise it was a silly mistake to get involved and have not done anything like this before hand, or since. As i say again it was 'out of their character'. I do realise that some of these men are used to incidents like this as they have previous convictions and have not learnt their lessons from previous sentences they have served. But I totally disagree with the sentences given especially to all the four lads without any previous convitions at all; yet are almost dropped into the deep end, chucked into prison and totally messed up their lives. They could lose their education, jobs etc all because of one silly mistake? So unfair! I know some peoples opinions would be that they should have thought about their lives being ruined before they got involed but it could be seen as a spare of the moment thing for some, we are all allowed to make little mistakes and learn from them, it's not exactly if anyone innocent got hurt at all, no one from the public was seriously traumatised or even hurt. Throwing someone in jail for their first offence is an absolute outrage. If this was 20 odd years ago the four boys who got 12 months would have just had a £20 fine and a slap on the wrist. A lot of you are making your judgements on what the news reporters say and what you see in the video. But there are always two sides to every story, you should always make sure you know the full facts before you make a judgement on something especially like a situation like this. Feel sorry for the peoples lives who have been messed up because of a stupid incident like this which most would obviously regret, in my opinion all the prison sentences given in this case are way out of line and too much![/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more, finally someone who understands my points, well said it is not fair that young boys should get stuck in the mix with real criminals when they in actual fact aren't, get ready pretty sure this "Stoneham Park" loser will have more incorrect judgments to make though so get ready for their false stupid wrong ideas, just trying to pick a fight with anyone possible![/p][/quote]Too right! And that the reporters have the cheek to call them 'football thugs' and humiliate them on the news with their addresses, as if they deserve that as well as a totally unfair sentences! They lock them away for a ridiculous reason, humiliate them in the news. This reporter was totally biased. I can't believe what society has come to, is there even any justice in this world anymore? None of you know these people personally, so if you are going to make unfair judgements on these people (as if they aren't going through enough at the moment) keep them to yourself! Has anyone even considered their families? Some of these men have kids, and their families certainly do not deserve this. Especially not the families of the young practically innocent ones![/p][/quote]Haha couldn't agree more, just wait you'll be called "one of the morons" probably too! I think it's so disgusting and wrong, yes 75% of these men are no good violent "thugs" but some of them are not especially the two youngest boys. No one has any idea what anyone else is going through so should not make these sort of judgements without knowing the full extent, spare a thought for their families who are obviously going through a tough time right now. I am absolutely disgusted and appalled by the outcome and verdict of this case and it is wrong on so many levels, as people in the United Kingdom I think we should be ashamed and embarrassed of our justice system clearly being so wrong in cases like this.[/p][/quote]If being called one of the morons is what it takes to get my opinion through, i don't mind. I think it's discgusting and ridiculous to anyone who agrees with their senteces. Imagine if they were their families, would be a totally different situation then wouldn't it! They have no consideration at all what so ever. If they could put themselves in the families of the young innocent boys shoes, well we'll see how they'd cope! And if anyone dares to start on their 'up bringing' don't even bother! One of these young lads has known to be described as a very lovable person. This was 'completely out of his character' and he is studying at uni and was his first offence. More than I can say about most scumbags out there! The families obviously do not need to see their loved ones being represented as a 'thug' as people would like to judge them as. TOTALLY agree, I am 100% embarrassed to be apart of the United Kingdom if this is what it has come to!! Innocent people should have freedom! MarttttMart
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10:22pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

Here we goooooo!!! Wrong doing has bought a fellow moron along for the ride :D
There's not much new content to reply to, it just amazes me how you both repeatedly point out that their families are going through tough times, the media and people like me are making times tough for them. What a load of $hite! The morons in the brawl brought the difficult times upon their families by being part of the brawl!
What about the numpty with a pregnant partner, just before he goes out to exchange slaps - "see you in a couple of hours love, just going to have a fight with these Tottenham lot with the lads, hope I don't get caught and jailed and miss 2 years of raising our child"... Insane $hite for brains.
I'll just re-iterate that if the young influential 18 year old committed the same crime as the morons with previous convictions, they receive the same punishment, simple as. No exceptions,if anything, the bigger moron with the rap sheet gets a longer sentence.
All that's been done is set an example to kids who watch Football Factory and Green Street, don't go out and copy the films or you'll end up in a cell. Also, hopefully your 18 year old mate will learn from his mistake after his 12 month stint and won't make the same mistake again.
I don't tolerate the 'slap on the wrist ASBO' trent. Commit the crime, do the time.
Here we goooooo!!! Wrong doing has bought a fellow moron along for the ride :D There's not much new content to reply to, it just amazes me how you both repeatedly point out that their families are going through tough times, the media and people like me are making times tough for them. What a load of $hite! The morons in the brawl brought the difficult times upon their families by being part of the brawl! What about the numpty with a pregnant partner, just before he goes out to exchange slaps - "see you in a couple of hours love, just going to have a fight with these Tottenham lot with the lads, hope I don't get caught and jailed and miss 2 years of raising our child"... Insane $hite for brains. I'll just re-iterate that if the young influential 18 year old committed the same crime as the morons with previous convictions, they receive the same punishment, simple as. No exceptions,if anything, the bigger moron with the rap sheet gets a longer sentence. All that's been done is set an example to kids who watch Football Factory and Green Street, don't go out and copy the films or you'll end up in a cell. Also, hopefully your 18 year old mate will learn from his mistake after his 12 month stint and won't make the same mistake again. I don't tolerate the 'slap on the wrist ASBO' trent. Commit the crime, do the time. Stoneham Park
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10:33pm Sat 4 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
Here we goooooo!!! Wrong doing has bought a fellow moron along for the ride :D
There's not much new content to reply to, it just amazes me how you both repeatedly point out that their families are going through tough times, the media and people like me are making times tough for them. What a load of $hite! The morons in the brawl brought the difficult times upon their families by being part of the brawl!
What about the numpty with a pregnant partner, just before he goes out to exchange slaps - "see you in a couple of hours love, just going to have a fight with these Tottenham lot with the lads, hope I don't get caught and jailed and miss 2 years of raising our child"... Insane $hite for brains.
I'll just re-iterate that if the young influential 18 year old committed the same crime as the morons with previous convictions, they receive the same punishment, simple as. No exceptions,if anything, the bigger moron with the rap sheet gets a longer sentence.
All that's been done is set an example to kids who watch Football Factory and Green Street, don't go out and copy the films or you'll end up in a cell. Also, hopefully your 18 year old mate will learn from his mistake after his 12 month stint and won't make the same mistake again.
I don't tolerate the 'slap on the wrist ASBO' trent. Commit the crime, do the time.
One peice of advice for you mate, make sure when you wanna go round making judgements on peoples lives who you don't know.. you know the full story. I think you are the only moron here. Sure there are people involved in this who have made the same idiotic mistake again and again to keep getting convictions for it, maybe they do deserve it, some are in their 40's and should know better. But some are young with no convictions and are as described a 'previous good character'. First conviction and getting banged up? How old are you? sitting on your tod making silly judgements at peoples lives who you don't know. Seriously, is this what you do all day, look through the gossip on argus website believing everything you read on here and decide that you would like to put your opinion across. No one wants to know. Why don't you try putting yourself in anyone of their family or friends shoes, and i'll tell you one thing; your opinion would be TOTALLY different.
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: Here we goooooo!!! Wrong doing has bought a fellow moron along for the ride :D There's not much new content to reply to, it just amazes me how you both repeatedly point out that their families are going through tough times, the media and people like me are making times tough for them. What a load of $hite! The morons in the brawl brought the difficult times upon their families by being part of the brawl! What about the numpty with a pregnant partner, just before he goes out to exchange slaps - "see you in a couple of hours love, just going to have a fight with these Tottenham lot with the lads, hope I don't get caught and jailed and miss 2 years of raising our child"... Insane $hite for brains. I'll just re-iterate that if the young influential 18 year old committed the same crime as the morons with previous convictions, they receive the same punishment, simple as. No exceptions,if anything, the bigger moron with the rap sheet gets a longer sentence. All that's been done is set an example to kids who watch Football Factory and Green Street, don't go out and copy the films or you'll end up in a cell. Also, hopefully your 18 year old mate will learn from his mistake after his 12 month stint and won't make the same mistake again. I don't tolerate the 'slap on the wrist ASBO' trent. Commit the crime, do the time.[/p][/quote]One peice of advice for you mate, make sure when you wanna go round making judgements on peoples lives who you don't know.. you know the full story. I think you are the only moron here. Sure there are people involved in this who have made the same idiotic mistake again and again to keep getting convictions for it, maybe they do deserve it, some are in their 40's and should know better. But some are young with no convictions and are as described a 'previous good character'. First conviction and getting banged up? How old are you? sitting on your tod making silly judgements at peoples lives who you don't know. Seriously, is this what you do all day, look through the gossip on argus website believing everything you read on here and decide that you would like to put your opinion across. No one wants to know. Why don't you try putting yourself in anyone of their family or friends shoes, and i'll tell you one thing; your opinion would be TOTALLY different. MarttttMart
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10:36pm Sat 4 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
Here we goooooo!!! Wrong doing has bought a fellow moron along for the ride :D
There's not much new content to reply to, it just amazes me how you both repeatedly point out that their families are going through tough times, the media and people like me are making times tough for them. What a load of $hite! The morons in the brawl brought the difficult times upon their families by being part of the brawl!
What about the numpty with a pregnant partner, just before he goes out to exchange slaps - "see you in a couple of hours love, just going to have a fight with these Tottenham lot with the lads, hope I don't get caught and jailed and miss 2 years of raising our child"... Insane $hite for brains.
I'll just re-iterate that if the young influential 18 year old committed the same crime as the morons with previous convictions, they receive the same punishment, simple as. No exceptions,if anything, the bigger moron with the rap sheet gets a longer sentence.
All that's been done is set an example to kids who watch Football Factory and Green Street, don't go out and copy the films or you'll end up in a cell. Also, hopefully your 18 year old mate will learn from his mistake after his 12 month stint and won't make the same mistake again.
I don't tolerate the 'slap on the wrist ASBO' trent. Commit the crime, do the time.
pleaseeeeeee be quiet, you are basically saying the same thing every time swell buddy and i do not care, you really have no clue do ya? and i am not a 'mate' of one of these people so just pipe down and learn some different terms other than "moron" because you've said it enough times and it's getting a bit repetitive.
"commit the crime, do the time" ahahaha oh please who the f4ck do you think you are..
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: Here we goooooo!!! Wrong doing has bought a fellow moron along for the ride :D There's not much new content to reply to, it just amazes me how you both repeatedly point out that their families are going through tough times, the media and people like me are making times tough for them. What a load of $hite! The morons in the brawl brought the difficult times upon their families by being part of the brawl! What about the numpty with a pregnant partner, just before he goes out to exchange slaps - "see you in a couple of hours love, just going to have a fight with these Tottenham lot with the lads, hope I don't get caught and jailed and miss 2 years of raising our child"... Insane $hite for brains. I'll just re-iterate that if the young influential 18 year old committed the same crime as the morons with previous convictions, they receive the same punishment, simple as. No exceptions,if anything, the bigger moron with the rap sheet gets a longer sentence. All that's been done is set an example to kids who watch Football Factory and Green Street, don't go out and copy the films or you'll end up in a cell. Also, hopefully your 18 year old mate will learn from his mistake after his 12 month stint and won't make the same mistake again. I don't tolerate the 'slap on the wrist ASBO' trent. Commit the crime, do the time.[/p][/quote]pleaseeeeeee be quiet, you are basically saying the same thing every time swell buddy and i do not care, you really have no clue do ya? and i am not a 'mate' of one of these people so just pipe down and learn some different terms other than "moron" because you've said it enough times and it's getting a bit repetitive. "commit the crime, do the time" ahahaha oh please who the f4ck do you think you are.. wrongdoing101
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10:55pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

Wow you two are really smart :) You've both overlapped and repeated each other over and over. You obviously care deeply because you keep coming back and repeating yourselves.
I like the word 'moron' so I'll keep using it, I think it describes each person involved accurately.
You keep piping up with the old 'you don't know the full circumstances'. Well why not do the intelligent thing and let us know so we can make a better judgement?
Haha, just noticed, your posts are just minutes apart, I reckon you're the same person. A bit sad really.
Wow you two are really smart :) You've both overlapped and repeated each other over and over. You obviously care deeply because you keep coming back and repeating yourselves. I like the word 'moron' so I'll keep using it, I think it describes each person involved accurately. You keep piping up with the old 'you don't know the full circumstances'. Well why not do the intelligent thing and let us know so we can make a better judgement? Haha, just noticed, your posts are just minutes apart, I reckon you're the same person. A bit sad really. Stoneham Park
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11:04pm Sat 4 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
Wow you two are really smart :) You've both overlapped and repeated each other over and over. You obviously care deeply because you keep coming back and repeating yourselves.
I like the word 'moron' so I'll keep using it, I think it describes each person involved accurately.
You keep piping up with the old 'you don't know the full circumstances'. Well why not do the intelligent thing and let us know so we can make a better judgement?
Haha, just noticed, your posts are just minutes apart, I reckon you're the same person. A bit sad really.
We're smart? Go on keep using all you got to try get one better over on us. Well maybe we have the same opinion? we are definitely not the same person hahaa, you really think someone wants to get their point accross so much they would make two accounts and keep swapping? well because YOU DON'T know the full circumstances so keep your big nose out of other peoples lives who have been ruined by this outrage and carry on with your own amazing fun life. how old are you????
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: Wow you two are really smart :) You've both overlapped and repeated each other over and over. You obviously care deeply because you keep coming back and repeating yourselves. I like the word 'moron' so I'll keep using it, I think it describes each person involved accurately. You keep piping up with the old 'you don't know the full circumstances'. Well why not do the intelligent thing and let us know so we can make a better judgement? Haha, just noticed, your posts are just minutes apart, I reckon you're the same person. A bit sad really.[/p][/quote]We're smart? Go on keep using all you got to try get one better over on us. Well maybe we have the same opinion? we are definitely not the same person hahaa, you really think someone wants to get their point accross so much they would make two accounts and keep swapping? well because YOU DON'T know the full circumstances so keep your big nose out of other peoples lives who have been ruined by this outrage and carry on with your own amazing fun life. how old are you???? MarttttMart
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11:07pm Sat 4 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

Stoneham Park wrote:
Wow you two are really smart :) You've both overlapped and repeated each other over and over. You obviously care deeply because you keep coming back and repeating yourselves.
I like the word 'moron' so I'll keep using it, I think it describes each person involved accurately.
You keep piping up with the old 'you don't know the full circumstances'. Well why not do the intelligent thing and let us know so we can make a better judgement?
Haha, just noticed, your posts are just minutes apart, I reckon you're the same person. A bit sad really.
hahahahah we're not the same person that's awkward:L I'm not as sad as you to keep refreshing the argus website to go on all the articles and make false judgements, I really owe you no explanation I think you should just not get involved really, I only made this account to set things straight and I don't see how making two accounts and pretending to be different people helps:L just more argueing I have to do with a douche like you.
Maybe we've both "overlapped" each other because we actually know our facts unlike you and we can understand that justice has not been served Or maybe we're just right and you're wrong and should log off your little computer and man up a bit and stop getting involved in things that don't concern you :)
[quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: Wow you two are really smart :) You've both overlapped and repeated each other over and over. You obviously care deeply because you keep coming back and repeating yourselves. I like the word 'moron' so I'll keep using it, I think it describes each person involved accurately. You keep piping up with the old 'you don't know the full circumstances'. Well why not do the intelligent thing and let us know so we can make a better judgement? Haha, just noticed, your posts are just minutes apart, I reckon you're the same person. A bit sad really.[/p][/quote]hahahahah we're not the same person that's awkward:L I'm not as sad as you to keep refreshing the argus website to go on all the articles and make false judgements, I really owe you no explanation I think you should just not get involved really, I only made this account to set things straight and I don't see how making two accounts and pretending to be different people helps:L just more argueing I have to do with a douche like you. Maybe we've both "overlapped" each other because we actually know our facts unlike you and we can understand that justice has not been served Or maybe we're just right and you're wrong and should log off your little computer and man up a bit and stop getting involved in things that don't concern you :) wrongdoing101
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11:09pm Sat 4 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

wrongdoing101 wrote:
Stoneham Park wrote:
Wow you two are really smart :) You've both overlapped and repeated each other over and over. You obviously care deeply because you keep coming back and repeating yourselves.
I like the word 'moron' so I'll keep using it, I think it describes each person involved accurately.
You keep piping up with the old 'you don't know the full circumstances'. Well why not do the intelligent thing and let us know so we can make a better judgement?
Haha, just noticed, your posts are just minutes apart, I reckon you're the same person. A bit sad really.
hahahahah we're not the same person that's awkward:L I'm not as sad as you to keep refreshing the argus website to go on all the articles and make false judgements, I really owe you no explanation I think you should just not get involved really, I only made this account to set things straight and I don't see how making two accounts and pretending to be different people helps:L just more argueing I have to do with a douche like you.
Maybe we've both "overlapped" each other because we actually know our facts unlike you and we can understand that justice has not been served Or maybe we're just right and you're wrong and should log off your little computer and man up a bit and stop getting involved in things that don't concern you :)
AMEN.
[quote][p][bold]wrongdoing101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stoneham Park[/bold] wrote: Wow you two are really smart :) You've both overlapped and repeated each other over and over. You obviously care deeply because you keep coming back and repeating yourselves. I like the word 'moron' so I'll keep using it, I think it describes each person involved accurately. You keep piping up with the old 'you don't know the full circumstances'. Well why not do the intelligent thing and let us know so we can make a better judgement? Haha, just noticed, your posts are just minutes apart, I reckon you're the same person. A bit sad really.[/p][/quote]hahahahah we're not the same person that's awkward:L I'm not as sad as you to keep refreshing the argus website to go on all the articles and make false judgements, I really owe you no explanation I think you should just not get involved really, I only made this account to set things straight and I don't see how making two accounts and pretending to be different people helps:L just more argueing I have to do with a douche like you. Maybe we've both "overlapped" each other because we actually know our facts unlike you and we can understand that justice has not been served Or maybe we're just right and you're wrong and should log off your little computer and man up a bit and stop getting involved in things that don't concern you :)[/p][/quote]AMEN. MarttttMart
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11:17pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Stoneham Park says...

Thing is boys, the majority of people that posted on here have agreed that the punishments where accurate and the guys got what they deserved, end of. I've given you the time of day to amend and improve your argument however you haven't done that. It's that simple.
11:04 - 11:07 - 11:09
Are you two sitting together on the computer with your Barcardi Breezers taking turns to post?
I'm getting a bit tired of posting now, I'm slowly getting brought down to your level which is a bit sad on my part. So again, if you can improve your argument as to the younger convicts, please go ahead, if you provide a decent response with a valid argument than I'll stop winding you up.
Thing is boys, the majority of people that posted on here have agreed that the punishments where accurate and the guys got what they deserved, end of. I've given you the time of day to amend and improve your argument however you haven't done that. It's that simple. 11:04 - 11:07 - 11:09 Are you two sitting together on the computer with your Barcardi Breezers taking turns to post? I'm getting a bit tired of posting now, I'm slowly getting brought down to your level which is a bit sad on my part. So again, if you can improve your argument as to the younger convicts, please go ahead, if you provide a decent response with a valid argument than I'll stop winding you up. Stoneham Park
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11:39am Sun 5 Feb 12

Kimboo says...

wrongdoing and martt are correct, you have my support as i know the circumstances unlike stoneham park!!!!
wrongdoing and martt are correct, you have my support as i know the circumstances unlike stoneham park!!!! Kimboo
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1:10pm Sun 5 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

Glad to see someone else around here is talking sense and this site is not only full with gullible, ignorant and judgemental people
Glad to see someone else around here is talking sense and this site is not only full with gullible, ignorant and judgemental people MarttttMart
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1:46pm Sun 5 Feb 12

wrongdoing101 says...

Kimboo wrote:
wrongdoing and martt are correct, you have my support as i know the circumstances unlike stoneham park!!!!
thankyou! someone who actually understands, be prepared he will probably say you're the same person and we've made a third account now...
[quote][p][bold]Kimboo[/bold] wrote: wrongdoing and martt are correct, you have my support as i know the circumstances unlike stoneham park!!!![/p][/quote]thankyou! someone who actually understands, be prepared he will probably say you're the same person and we've made a third account now... wrongdoing101
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12:38am Mon 6 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

See this argument is still going strong. It's funny because as I reflect over all of the post's, which generally read the same might I add. I becomes clear that wrongdoing & mart are very judgemental of everyone else posting about this story. With all kinds of sweeping statements & generalisations. Even though there main point (if you can call it that) is about people being judgemental. Glass houses. Anyway no matter how many ways you try to dilute it what they all took part in was illegal, therefore you deserve the punishment. Now you all have written about no one knows the full circumstances when making a feeble attempt of protecting these peoples honour, but after repeated requests of sharing these details we are all still waiting to learn, So my question is How can you expect to sell someone an idea with no facts to change there mind? I am still of the opinion that what they got they deserved as none of us know the full extent to what went on i.e the level of their involvement apart form the police & the courts of course. But as always I have an open mind towards these things. So why don't you share your knowledge of the events that took place. Unless of course your just a wind up merchant and your friend is as guilty as sin. This will allow us to make informed & educated opinions on the matter and possibly change the opinions of the posters i.e myself. But I'm guessing that you'll come back with inane response and tell me that's it's none of my business. Which to be fare it is as it happened in my community. And Myself & others will leave here with the same opinion as we have now. Ohh and please don't wheel out the old "good character" excuse because its irrelevant. Go on surprise me...
See this argument is still going strong. It's funny because as I reflect over all of the post's, which generally read the same might I add. I becomes clear that wrongdoing & mart are very judgemental of everyone else posting about this story. With all kinds of sweeping statements & generalisations. Even though there main point (if you can call it that) is about people being judgemental. Glass houses. Anyway no matter how many ways you try to dilute it what they all took part in was illegal, therefore you deserve the punishment. Now you all have written about no one knows the full circumstances when making a feeble attempt of protecting these peoples honour, but after repeated requests of sharing these details we are all still waiting to learn, So my question is How can you expect to sell someone an idea with no facts to change there mind? I am still of the opinion that what they got they deserved as none of us know the full extent to what went on i.e the level of their involvement apart form the police & the courts of course. But as always I have an open mind towards these things. So why don't you share your knowledge of the events that took place. Unless of course your just a wind up merchant and your friend is as guilty as sin. This will allow us to make informed & educated opinions on the matter and possibly change the opinions of the posters i.e myself. But I'm guessing that you'll come back with inane response and tell me that's it's none of my business. Which to be fare it is as it happened in my community. And Myself & others will leave here with the same opinion as we have now. Ohh and please don't wheel out the old "good character" excuse because its irrelevant. Go on surprise me... BHArulz
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12:43am Mon 6 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

Also howdy stoneham. See you've been protecting the home front in my absence...
Also howdy stoneham. See you've been protecting the home front in my absence... BHArulz
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12:45am Mon 6 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

Furthermore Wrongdoing & mart. It does all look a bit sus that you post at similar times & generally share the exact same views. Strange...
Furthermore Wrongdoing & mart. It does all look a bit sus that you post at similar times & generally share the exact same views. Strange... BHArulz
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1:31pm Mon 6 Feb 12

papa_melons says...

' intelligent football supporters '
' intelligent football supporters ' papa_melons
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2:40pm Mon 6 Feb 12

Sweepster says...

Thugs fighting other thugs.

Let them.
Thugs fighting other thugs. Let them. Sweepster
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12:35pm Wed 8 Feb 12

BHArulz says...

No response, so clearly no excuses. People we finally got to the bottom of it. These guys are as guilty as sin...
No response, so clearly no excuses. People we finally got to the bottom of it. These guys are as guilty as sin... BHArulz
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7:52pm Sat 11 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

Yet you are STILL going on are you? I have given up with you ignorant gullible idiots. There is no point in you still commenting mate. I was just trying to get my point across that these sentences are way out of line but you w*nkers won't stfu. What's done is done so please leave it at that. All I'm saying is justice has not been served.
Yet you are STILL going on are you? I have given up with you ignorant gullible idiots. There is no point in you still commenting mate. I was just trying to get my point across that these sentences are way out of line but you w*nkers won't stfu. What's done is done so please leave it at that. All I'm saying is justice has not been served. MarttttMart
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11:07pm Sat 11 Feb 12

Minator says...

Have been watching these comments for a while contemplating whether to get involved or not. Some of you which are commenting must be deluded. I agree with MarttttMart saying some of you are idiots for being so judgemental over a case that you have read one reporters biased opinion. And YES they do have to sell their stories exactly, they will make them as juicy as they possibly can! I for one do not know the full circumstances whether MarttttMart, wrongdoing101 or Kimboo do or not I couldn't possibly take their side anymore. Totally have their back on this. I think all you who know nothing other than what has been placed in this article should get over it and stop commenting as this does not change your life at all. Feel sorry for the boys/men inside who's lives will be dramatically changed after they have served their sentences. I wish them all the best to their future. Especially those younsters who have no previous convictions. I hope they can carry on with their work and education and get the most out of life as possible. We are all allowed to learn from mistakes, so why can't they!! Sentences given are not agreed with by me and many others I have previously discussed this with, justice has not been served here you are RIGHT!
Have been watching these comments for a while contemplating whether to get involved or not. Some of you which are commenting must be deluded. I agree with MarttttMart saying some of you are idiots for being so judgemental over a case that you have read one reporters biased opinion. And YES they do have to sell their stories exactly, they will make them as juicy as they possibly can! I for one do not know the full circumstances whether MarttttMart, wrongdoing101 or Kimboo do or not I couldn't possibly take their side anymore. Totally have their back on this. I think all you who know nothing other than what has been placed in this article should get over it and stop commenting as this does not change your life at all. Feel sorry for the boys/men inside who's lives will be dramatically changed after they have served their sentences. I wish them all the best to their future. Especially those younsters who have no previous convictions. I hope they can carry on with their work and education and get the most out of life as possible. We are all allowed to learn from mistakes, so why can't they!! Sentences given are not agreed with by me and many others I have previously discussed this with, justice has not been served here you are RIGHT! Minator
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4:32pm Wed 15 Feb 12

MarttttMart says...

Minator wrote:
Have been watching these comments for a while contemplating whether to get involved or not. Some of you which are commenting must be deluded. I agree with MarttttMart saying some of you are idiots for being so judgemental over a case that you have read one reporters biased opinion. And YES they do have to sell their stories exactly, they will make them as juicy as they possibly can! I for one do not know the full circumstances whether MarttttMart, wrongdoing101 or Kimboo do or not I couldn't possibly take their side anymore. Totally have their back on this. I think all you who know nothing other than what has been placed in this article should get over it and stop commenting as this does not change your life at all. Feel sorry for the boys/men inside who's lives will be dramatically changed after they have served their sentences. I wish them all the best to their future. Especially those younsters who have no previous convictions. I hope they can carry on with their work and education and get the most out of life as possible. We are all allowed to learn from mistakes, so why can't they!! Sentences given are not agreed with by me and many others I have previously discussed this with, justice has not been served here you are RIGHT!
thank you!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Minator[/bold] wrote: Have been watching these comments for a while contemplating whether to get involved or not. Some of you which are commenting must be deluded. I agree with MarttttMart saying some of you are idiots for being so judgemental over a case that you have read one reporters biased opinion. And YES they do have to sell their stories exactly, they will make them as juicy as they possibly can! I for one do not know the full circumstances whether MarttttMart, wrongdoing101 or Kimboo do or not I couldn't possibly take their side anymore. Totally have their back on this. I think all you who know nothing other than what has been placed in this article should get over it and stop commenting as this does not change your life at all. Feel sorry for the boys/men inside who's lives will be dramatically changed after they have served their sentences. I wish them all the best to their future. Especially those younsters who have no previous convictions. I hope they can carry on with their work and education and get the most out of life as possible. We are all allowed to learn from mistakes, so why can't they!! Sentences given are not agreed with by me and many others I have previously discussed this with, justice has not been served here you are RIGHT![/p][/quote]thank you!!!! MarttttMart
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