Speed camera could rake in more than a million (From The Argus)

Watch your speed lads.

Perhaps the cabinet member for the public realm (what a silly title), would like to remove the dangerous bendy bus from this route if safety on this route is being considered.
It is an absolute death trap. Someone will be killed very soon.
The vehicle does not fit into the bus stops along the Lewes Road so its rear end sticks out across the cycle lane and often the inside lane, pushing vulnerable cyclists into the traffic.
The most dangerous time is when this the bus indicates that it's pulling into a stop, it starts the manouvre, it appears to be pulling into the whole stop and then the brakes are jammed on with the rear end coming to a sudden halt in the carriageway and cycle lane.
This vehicle would be suitable in Europe or in big cities with long stretches of bus lanes, but it does not work on that route and it's extremely dangerous.
Please Mr French, take a drive behind it during rush hour and watch it in action.

So the drop from 40 to 30 has been made "at the request of local people". Really? I bet if you asked the people living within a 1/2 mile radius of this bit of road a vast majority would OPPOSE the reduction. It was fine at 40MPH. It's a four lanes wide dual carriageway ferchrissakes. In many other parts of the country it would be a 50 limit.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Perhaps the cabinet member for the public realm (what a silly title), would like to remove the dangerous bendy bus from this route if safety on this route is being considered.
It is an absolute death trap. Someone will be killed very soon.
The vehicle does not fit into the bus stops along the Lewes Road so its rear end sticks out across the cycle lane and often the inside lane, pushing vulnerable cyclists into the traffic.
The most dangerous time is when this the bus indicates that it's pulling into a stop, it starts the manouvre, it appears to be pulling into the whole stop and then the brakes are jammed on with the rear end coming to a sudden halt in the carriageway and cycle lane.
This vehicle would be suitable in Europe or in big cities with long stretches of bus lanes, but it does not work on that route and it's extremely dangerous.
Please Mr French, take a drive behind it during rush hour and watch it in action.

you don't need to remove anything, just watch what you are doing!!! when a bus indicates to pull in, remember it will slow down, and slow down, and prepare to move out yourself. at 30 this should present no problem to a fairly competent driver. if you can't do this simple action, you are either too close, or going too fast, and clearly shouldn't have a licence. stop blaming buses for every tiny little thing! the standards of driving in this country have gone right downhill. make the test much harder, and longer!!

davyboy wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Perhaps the cabinet member for the public realm (what a silly title), would like to remove the dangerous bendy bus from this route if safety on this route is being considered.
It is an absolute death trap. Someone will be killed very soon.
The vehicle does not fit into the bus stops along the Lewes Road so its rear end sticks out across the cycle lane and often the inside lane, pushing vulnerable cyclists into the traffic.
The most dangerous time is when this the bus indicates that it's pulling into a stop, it starts the manouvre, it appears to be pulling into the whole stop and then the brakes are jammed on with the rear end coming to a sudden halt in the carriageway and cycle lane.
This vehicle would be suitable in Europe or in big cities with long stretches of bus lanes, but it does not work on that route and it's extremely dangerous.
Please Mr French, take a drive behind it during rush hour and watch it in action.

you don't need to remove anything, just watch what you are doing!!! when a bus indicates to pull in, remember it will slow down, and slow down, and prepare to move out yourself. at 30 this should present no problem to a fairly competent driver. if you can't do this simple action, you are either too close, or going too fast, and clearly shouldn't have a licence. stop blaming buses for every tiny little thing! the standards of driving in this country have gone right downhill. make the test much harder, and longer!!

You silly boy.....
These busses were removed from the roads of london for the very reason that they ARE a hazzard to other road users. Brighton got them dumped on them as it is part of the Go Ahead group who own the busses and they had to do something with them once they were told to leave london.

Absolute joke!!!

I'm all for road safety but you cannot just blame speed for all accidents.

What ever happened to parents/schools/poli
ce teaching kids about road safety? What happened to basic common sense?

Cars could travel at 60mph along that road with no issues if;

Cars keeped to the '2 (or 4 in wet conditions) second rule'.

Pedestrians used the crossings provided rather than running into the road.

Cyclists using the roads properly.

People got off their phones/iPods when crossing the road.



But no.... It's the motorists that are punished again!! Oh, and slower traffic will result in more traffic jams.

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Absolute joke!!!

I'm all for road safety but you cannot just blame speed for all accidents.

What ever happened to parents/schools/poli

ce teaching kids about road safety? What happened to basic common sense?

Cars could travel at 60mph along that road with no issues if;

Cars keeped to the '2 (or 4 in wet conditions) second rule'.

Pedestrians used the crossings provided rather than running into the road.

Cyclists using the roads properly.

People got off their phones/iPods when crossing the road.



But no.... It's the motorists that are punished again!! Oh, and slower traffic will result in more traffic jams.

Because of the above we have a 30mph limit in a built up area.

den2il wrote:

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Absolute joke!!!

I'm all for road safety but you cannot just blame speed for all accidents.

What ever happened to parents/schools/poli


ce teaching kids about road safety? What happened to basic common sense?

Cars could travel at 60mph along that road with no issues if;

Cars keeped to the '2 (or 4 in wet conditions) second rule'.

Pedestrians used the crossings provided rather than running into the road.

Cyclists using the roads properly.

People got off their phones/iPods when crossing the road.



But no.... It's the motorists that are punished again!! Oh, and slower traffic will result in more traffic jams.

Because of the above we have a 30mph limit in a built up area.

Well, it's about time things did so people who use the roads properly are free to do so without being penalised!

Brightonlad86 wrote:

den2il wrote:

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Absolute joke!!!

I'm all for road safety but you cannot just blame speed for all accidents.

What ever happened to parents/schools/poli



ce teaching kids about road safety? What happened to basic common sense?

Cars could travel at 60mph along that road with no issues if;

Cars keeped to the '2 (or 4 in wet conditions) second rule'.

Pedestrians used the crossings provided rather than running into the road.

Cyclists using the roads properly.

People got off their phones/iPods when crossing the road.



But no.... It's the motorists that are punished again!! Oh, and slower traffic will result in more traffic jams.

Because of the above we have a 30mph limit in a built up area.

Well, it's about time things did so people who use the roads properly are free to do so without being penalised!

You'll always have idiots that will spoil it for everyone else - it's the world we live in I'm afraid.

I'll just have to leave one minute earlier in the mornings from now on to get to my destination on time. I never liked "Daybreak"!

davyboy, read my post again.
I haven't blamed bus drivers or other vehicle drivers.
The problem is the bus stops are too short for the vehicles, therefore, when they stop they are causing a dangerous obstruction which people do not perhaps realise.
The cyclists are pedalling along the Lewes Road cycle lane, the bendy bus overtakes them, indicates left, pulls into the stop ahead of the cyclist and jams its brakes on leaving its rear end in the cycle lane pushing the cyclist into the traffic at short notice.
I have just seen this happen 20 minutes ago. The cyclist had nowhere to go and swung wide into the inside lane and traffic.
Why not take a look for yourself. Once you see it, you will undertsand exactly what I mean.
Just raising a serious concern about a problem which could be resolved easily.

Fine by me then those who break law pay and hoepfully council tax will reduce. Mind u i always have points on my licence so I'll have to start behaving.

Having to drive more slowly is not a punishment. Yes speed is not always the cause of an accident, and drivers are not always to blame. However, accidents at high speed do often result in more serious injury. That stretch of road is used by all manner of people, in all manner of modes of transport, and so the speed limit on that road should reflect this. As den2il above sensibly points out, at worst we are talking about no more than one minute on journey times. Everyone needs to relax and slow down.

Hove Actually wrote:

davyboy wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Perhaps the cabinet member for the public realm (what a silly title), would like to remove the dangerous bendy bus from this route if safety on this route is being considered.
It is an absolute death trap. Someone will be killed very soon.
The vehicle does not fit into the bus stops along the Lewes Road so its rear end sticks out across the cycle lane and often the inside lane, pushing vulnerable cyclists into the traffic.
The most dangerous time is when this the bus indicates that it's pulling into a stop, it starts the manouvre, it appears to be pulling into the whole stop and then the brakes are jammed on with the rear end coming to a sudden halt in the carriageway and cycle lane.
This vehicle would be suitable in Europe or in big cities with long stretches of bus lanes, but it does not work on that route and it's extremely dangerous.
Please Mr French, take a drive behind it during rush hour and watch it in action.

you don't need to remove anything, just watch what you are doing!!! when a bus indicates to pull in, remember it will slow down, and slow down, and prepare to move out yourself. at 30 this should present no problem to a fairly competent driver. if you can't do this simple action, you are either too close, or going too fast, and clearly shouldn't have a licence. stop blaming buses for every tiny little thing! the standards of driving in this country have gone right downhill. make the test much harder, and longer!!

You silly boy.....
These busses were removed from the roads of london for the very reason that they ARE a hazzard to other road users. Brighton got them dumped on them as it is part of the Go Ahead group who own the busses and they had to do something with them once they were told to leave london.

I think this answers the post. Mr French can no more remove them than fly to the moon. Go-Ahead, as you say had to remove them from London and they had to go somewhere as they were still too new to sell economically. Therefore they were imposed on Brighton. It was a case of "Here's one to try and you're getting 18 in 3 months. Deal with it".

We all thought they wouldn't go round any corners in Brighton at the time.

It's a load of old rubbish,safety my backside, all the speeding drivers do is slow down for the cameras and speed back up afterwards. If it was the safety of people they were really worried about then why are there no speed cameras outside the local schools or up and down the avenue? It's all about getting more money for the council. Who cares anyway, at least we will save on fuel!!!

The bendy buses are no more difficult to drive than the standard buses. You just need to show a bit more consideration and care to everything around you. People get annoyed with them but until you have driven them you won't know their limitations in terms of speed, space & turning etc.

One thing that should be banished is those muppets on the bike train, use the bike lane for gods sake!

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
davyboy, read my post again.
I haven't blamed bus drivers or other vehicle drivers.
The problem is the bus stops are too short for the vehicles, therefore, when they stop they are causing a dangerous obstruction which people do not perhaps realise.
The cyclists are pedalling along the Lewes Road cycle lane, the bendy bus overtakes them, indicates left, pulls into the stop ahead of the cyclist and jams its brakes on leaving its rear end in the cycle lane pushing the cyclist into the traffic at short notice.
I have just seen this happen 20 minutes ago. The cyclist had nowhere to go and swung wide into the inside lane and traffic.
Why not take a look for yourself. Once you see it, you will undertsand exactly what I mean.
Just raising a serious concern about a problem which could be resolved easily.

as you know they don't fit the bus stops, you should, like i said, be aware and take greater care. the cyclist should also be aware, and either take steps to avoid the situation by overtaking said bus, (after looking over shoulder, of course) or stopping and waiting. bendy buses are no more dangerous than any other. when do buses ever JAM their brakes on? if they did, many passengers would be hurt. it seems to me that everyone in brighton is completely anti-bus!

now you know the speed limit, red taxi 543 of 204060 who had to slam his brakes on and scream his horn at the bus who was pulling out after being let out by the car in front of him.
also this speed limit reduction is only for a certain section, its now 40 from the bridge onwards not the uni.
It will make "narrowly miss the silly student" less fun though, and as for the buses sticking out in the road, thats usually due to plebs parking in the bus stops (eg the lectern pub), or tying to get to a bus stop thats already occupied by another 25/28/49

I shall make a video of these buses in action and post it on You Tube and you can judge for yourself whether there is a risk to be mitigated.
Bob Marley's jammin will be a good soundtrack.
Give me a few days and i will get to work.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Perhaps the cabinet member for the public realm (what a silly title), would like to remove the dangerous bendy bus from this route if safety on this route is being considered. It is an absolute death trap. Someone will be killed very soon. The vehicle does not fit into the bus stops along the Lewes Road so its rear end sticks out across the cycle lane and often the inside lane, pushing vulnerable cyclists into the traffic. The most dangerous time is when this the bus indicates that it's pulling into a stop, it starts the manouvre, it appears to be pulling into the whole stop and then the brakes are jammed on with the rear end coming to a sudden halt in the carriageway and cycle lane. This vehicle would be suitable in Europe or in big cities with long stretches of bus lanes, but it does not work on that route and it's extremely dangerous. Please Mr French, take a drive behind it during rush hour and watch it in action.

Sadly in this country, the phrase' prevention is better than cure' does not apply to us as they would only scrap that bus when someones killed or injured and the bus company is sued!!!

As someone who is deeply imbedded in transportation planning in this country, I would have to agree about the bendy bus - they are very dangerous and we simply do not have the length of bus stop required to use them in Brighton. I should know - I had a major role in designing the bus stop guidance for them for Tfl many years ago!

Regarding the speed reduction. As a regular user of the road it does seem to be a strange thing to do. I haven't seen the collision data for the area but id imagine looking at relocating the crossing to the south would be a far more sensible thing to do.

Jimmbob wrote:
It's a load of old rubbish,safety my backside, all the speeding drivers do is slow down for the cameras and speed back up afterwards. If it was the safety of people they were really worried about then why are there no speed cameras outside the local schools or up and down the avenue? It's all about getting more money for the council. Who cares anyway, at least we will save on fuel!!!

If drivers were also worried about the safety of people, maybe they would stick to the speed limits.

Why should there be speed cameras outside schools? I know we live in a so-called Nanny State, but surely people have a bit of common sense, or even respect for the law not to speed in the first place?

And if it is all about the council getting more money, then those opposed to giving them money won't break the law in the first place.

If people really don't know the speed limit of a road they are driving along, I suggest a quick read of the highway code, as opposed to moaning about the changes.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I shall make a video of these buses in action and post it on You Tube and you can judge for yourself whether there is a risk to be mitigated.
Bob Marley's jammin will be a good soundtrack.
Give me a few days and i will get to work.

Take as much time as you like, hopefully it will decrease your banal and inane postings.

Whether you're on a cycle, motorbike or car, you should be able to deal safely with a bus (bendy or not) stopping suddenly in front of you. If you're behind it, then it's your responsibility to be able to deal with whatever it happens to do.

@Hard times: see crashmap.co.uk for accident statistics over the last five years.

What hasn't been mentioned yet is how many drivers that get caught by this camera will be offered the ACPO plc sponsored £140 safety course instead of 3 points and a £60 fixed penalty notice.

It will be a good film Daggett but not quite as good as True Grit.