Four wheels bad, two wheels good in Lewes Road revamp (From The Argus)

GreggWallace wrote:
What do I think? Thank god I don't live in Brighton any more.

gheese77 wrote:

GreggWallace wrote: What do I think? Thank god I don't live in Brighton any more.

Well why comment on something that has nothing to do with you then ?

paul76 wrote:
Yeah, because lots of stationery traffic because the road has been reduced to one lane will improve air quality. Idiots.

papa_melons wrote:

paul76 wrote: Yeah, because lots of stationery traffic because the road has been reduced to one lane will improve air quality. Idiots.

what have cars carrying pens and paperclips got to do with it ?

rolivan wrote:
Why not have prioritised bus lanes during peak periods?What about Trades people that need to get into Brighton.Have the businesses along the Eastern side of Lewes Rd been consulted as to where their customers are going to park?

deltaP wrote:
The only satisfaction I get from this is the so called "Green" Party is actually the one that is causing more pollution in the town than any party before them. When will they realise that most people will continue to use their cars precisely because out of town shopping such as that along the Lewes Road (Halfords, Comet, B&Q) is totally inaccessible by bus for most of us. That's without even begining to consider the cost of bus travel in B&H. Get real for God's sake. You will only prevent car journeys by banning the car. The question is; Do the Greens have the guts to do that? So far they seem to be having a really good go at dragging B&H down to the ground, but do they want to be forever remembered as the party who destroyed Brighton & Hove once and for all?

Metro Reader wrote:

rolivan wrote:
Why not have prioritised bus lanes during peak periods?What about Trades people that need to get into Brighton.Have the businesses along the Eastern side of Lewes Rd been consulted as to where their customers are going to park?

Oh not more bus lanes that operate 24 hrs. just what the city does NOT need.

Side streets have been closed off steadily for years, now the only routes left are effectively being reduced to single track roads. Of course pollution has increased as more cars and vans are forced to use the SAME stretch of road which is due to the aforementioned streets being closed off. The argument that more and more cars are using that same stretch is technically flawed as it is not taking account of forced closure of other roads and ways into the city.

It is a fact of life that people have cars, they pay enough through Insurance, fuel duty, VAT, Road fund licence yet we have no roads in Brighton to use. Remember also that Insurance has a tax implement on it also.

About time the Driver stopped being used as a current cash cow for national and local governments. With the budget due tomorrow I will not hold my breath for any changes.

This city used to be a great place to live……..

gheese77 wrote:

GreggWallace wrote:
What do I think? Thank god I don't live in Brighton any more.

Well why comment on something that has nothing to do with you then ?

Hovite wrote:
Brighton is too hilly to become a cyclist paradise, it may be easy to cycle downhill and along the flat to get to your destination in the morning but getting back, depending on where you live, can be a different story. Places like Amsterdam and London works well for cyclist because of its flat terrain.

NickBrt wrote:
Do something about all the cars parked outside the takeaways collecting and delivering food. That will reduce the numberof cars immediately.

kopite_rob wrote:

NickBrt wrote:
Do something about all the cars parked outside the takeaways collecting and delivering food. That will reduce the numberof cars immediately.

That's a really good point.
Especially as you get closer to town the number of vehicles parked on double yellows, red routes, cycle lanes & pavements, with the yellow flashing hazards of invincibility blinking away.
Either tow them or preferably blow them up and leave their engine blocks on spikes on the outside of town as a warning to others.

And has Brighton ever considered reducing when HGV,s can enter the town?
Just a thought.

Perhaps though singling this dual carriageway will move the pinch point further out of town.
I'd hope our highway planners understand the theory of constraints or at least use computer modelling before tweaking light phasing or closing roads, but I think my answer will be "huh?"

rolivan wrote:

Metro Reader wrote:

rolivan wrote: Why not have prioritised bus lanes during peak periods?What about Trades people that need to get into Brighton.Have the businesses along the Eastern side of Lewes Rd been consulted as to where their customers are going to park?

Oh not more bus lanes that operate 24 hrs. just what the city does NOT need. Side streets have been closed off steadily for years, now the only routes left are effectively being reduced to single track roads. Of course pollution has increased as more cars and vans are forced to use the SAME stretch of road which is due to the aforementioned streets being closed off. The argument that more and more cars are using that same stretch is technically flawed as it is not taking account of forced closure of other roads and ways into the city. It is a fact of life that people have cars, they pay enough through Insurance, fuel duty, VAT, Road fund licence yet we have no roads in Brighton to use. Remember also that Insurance has a tax implement on it also. About time the Driver stopped being used as a current cash cow for national and local governments. With the budget due tomorrow I will not hold my breath for any changes. This city used to be a great place to live……..

I did say during peak periods not 24 hrs a day.

Uncle_Meat wrote:
Why is someone as incompetent as Ian Davey allowed to keep his job? This is the buffoon that thinks setting traffic lights to delay road users *decreases* traffic pollution! And why widen the pavement in areas where there are so few pedestrians? Has he still not worked out that the road space is a finite resource and his job should be *aid* the flow of traffic as safely as possible?!

Obviously something needs to be done on Lewes Road for cyclists and other road users, but given his track record and the mess he's made of 'tweaking' Lewes Road so far, we're all doomed! Please, please make sure he's voted out in the next elections before he further ruins the streets of this city.

GreggWallace wrote:
What do I think?

Thank god I don't live in Brighton any more.

PaulOckenden wrote:
Dear Hard times, who said anything about a shop? My business isn't retail and doesn't rely on passing trade.

I can't cycle to work - too far. And I can't get a bus. Or rather, I could but it would take an hour and half each way, rather than the 20-25mins that my commute currently takes. I really have no alternative but to drive into Brighton. But even if that wasn't the case, I think it's important that people are allowed to express a choice, rather than having their mode of transport dictated by the local council.

As a resident in the (already highly polluted) area, do you not realise that slowing down the traffic is just going to make that pollution worse?

And HJarrs, you say that the high number of private vehicles travelling into the city is holding it back. I'd argue the opposite - that it's the people commuting into the city, or coming in to use the shops and other facilities, who keep this city alive. Without them B&H would be on its knees.

It'll be an interesting experiment if the city does become a largely car-free zone, but I certainly won't be around to see it happen. And in the same way that I (and my business) would feel alienated, so would thousands of others.

No doubt many would say "good riddance". That's fine. Just don't complain when the city centre becomes one huge London Road like place, and when employers large and small move their jobs to friendlier places.

deltaP wrote:
The only satisfaction I get from this is the so called "Green" Party is actually the one that is causing more pollution in the town than any party before them. When will they realise that most people will continue to use their cars precisely because out of town shopping such as that along the Lewes Road (Halfords, Comet, B&Q) is totally inaccessible by bus for most of us. That's without even begining to consider the cost of bus travel in B&H. Get real for God's sake. You will only prevent car journeys by banning the car. The question is; Do the Greens have the guts to do that? So far they seem to be having a really good go at dragging B&H down to the ground, but do they want to be forever remembered as the party who destroyed Brighton & Hove once and for all?

PaulOckenden wrote:
I own a business on the Lewes Road. We've been there since 1989. If this change (which will only serve to increase the pollution in the area as it slows down the traffic) goes ahead I will move my business (and the jobs it provides) outside of Brighton.

HJarrs wrote:
Well, no green votes lost here. This is what I and many more voted for. We want change.

I know the world will end for the petrol heads. But these proposals have been supported by a consultation already.

I struggle to see how anyone can be happy with the current situation. It is a mess. I would have a little sympathy if all the journeys were necessary (I am sure many are due to a lack of alternatives, but many are not) and people drove the smallest and most efficient vehicles, which is clearly not the case. The high number of private cars travelling into and parked in B&H hold the city back. I hope that this is the start of a proper modal shift, which has worked well in many European towns, adding to their prosperity and improved quality of life.

For many of the older generations it may come as a suprise that the 17-25s are not gaining their driving licenses and in the same numbers. Perhaps they do not have the same yearning to sit in traffic jams, certainly it is expensive for driving lessons, insurance and wages have stagnated for years and will continue to do so. We need to be planning for their future not the past. They are not too set in their ways to change.

Personally, I hope that the proposed changes will be good enough to allow my family to cycle along this route safely, which they can't do now.

PaulOckenden wrote:
beasmith, I may be lazy and/or stupid in your eyes (thanks!), but as I see it, my mode of transport comes down to personal choice. Cycling and/or buses have numerous disadvantages compared to a car, which is why I choose the latter.

If Brighton's council makes it impossible for me to drive to my business, I'll simply move the business (and the jobs) to somewhere else which doesn't make these short sighted transport decisions.

Still, I guess that IS one way to reduce the traffic - make the city so car-unfriendly that many of the local employers move elsewhere.

PaulOckenden wrote:
Dear Hard times, who said anything about a shop? My business isn't retail and doesn't rely on passing trade. I can't cycle to work - too far. And I can't get a bus. Or rather, I could but it would take an hour and half each way, rather than the 20-25mins that my commute currently takes. I really have no alternative but to drive into Brighton. But even if that wasn't the case, I think it's important that people are allowed to express a choice, rather than having their mode of transport dictated by the local council. As a resident in the (already highly polluted) area, do you not realise that slowing down the traffic is just going to make that pollution worse? And HJarrs, you say that the high number of private vehicles travelling into the city is holding it back. I'd argue the opposite - that it's the people commuting into the city, or coming in to use the shops and other facilities, who keep this city alive. Without them B&H would be on its knees. It'll be an interesting experiment if the city does become a largely car-free zone, but I certainly won't be around to see it happen. And in the same way that I (and my business) would feel alienated, so would thousands of others. No doubt many would say "good riddance". That's fine. Just don't complain when the city centre becomes one huge London Road like place, and when employers large and small move their jobs to friendlier places.

gauldblimeyjet wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
Well, no green votes lost here. This is what I and many more voted for. We want change.

I know the world will end for the petrol heads. But these proposals have been supported by a consultation already.

I struggle to see how anyone can be happy with the current situation. It is a mess. I would have a little sympathy if all the journeys were necessary (I am sure many are due to a lack of alternatives, but many are not) and people drove the smallest and most efficient vehicles, which is clearly not the case. The high number of private cars travelling into and parked in B&H hold the city back. I hope that this is the start of a proper modal shift, which has worked well in many European towns, adding to their prosperity and improved quality of life.

For many of the older generations it may come as a suprise that the 17-25s are not gaining their driving licenses and in the same numbers. Perhaps they do not have the same yearning to sit in traffic jams, certainly it is expensive for driving lessons, insurance and wages have stagnated for years and will continue to do so. We need to be planning for their future not the past. They are not too set in their ways to change.

Personally, I hope that the proposed changes will be good enough to allow my family to cycle along this route safely, which they can't do now.

Here Here!

I've commuted along the Lewes road for a number of years by bike but I still remember the first time I tried it and it was pretty scary so I hope these plans will encourage more people to travel by bike in future as the major barrier (i.e. safety concerns) will have been removed.

I hold both car and motorcycle licences but I don't see myself buying a car anytime soon. Seems a waste of money and fossil fuels.

I participated in the traffic survey in 2009 to count the number of different road users and I was disgusted by the number of cars with only one person in it. Vans I can understand as my dad is an Electrian but surely you could car share with someone at work, go by public transport, maybe invest in a bicycle trailer to carry the weeks shopping? or do your bike test and ride a motorcycle to work. Any of these would be cheaper, cleaner and more fun than sitting in traffic all day making life miserable for other road users. Just a thought?

D5 wrote:

gauldblimeyjet wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
Well, no green votes lost here. This is what I and many more voted for. We want change.

I know the world will end for the petrol heads. But these proposals have been supported by a consultation already.

I struggle to see how anyone can be happy with the current situation. It is a mess. I would have a little sympathy if all the journeys were necessary (I am sure many are due to a lack of alternatives, but many are not) and people drove the smallest and most efficient vehicles, which is clearly not the case. The high number of private cars travelling into and parked in B&H hold the city back. I hope that this is the start of a proper modal shift, which has worked well in many European towns, adding to their prosperity and improved quality of life.

For many of the older generations it may come as a suprise that the 17-25s are not gaining their driving licenses and in the same numbers. Perhaps they do not have the same yearning to sit in traffic jams, certainly it is expensive for driving lessons, insurance and wages have stagnated for years and will continue to do so. We need to be planning for their future not the past. They are not too set in their ways to change.

Personally, I hope that the proposed changes will be good enough to allow my family to cycle along this route safely, which they can't do now.

Here Here!

I've commuted along the Lewes road for a number of years by bike but I still remember the first time I tried it and it was pretty scary so I hope these plans will encourage more people to travel by bike in future as the major barrier (i.e. safety concerns) will have been removed.

I hold both car and motorcycle licences but I don't see myself buying a car anytime soon. Seems a waste of money and fossil fuels.

I participated in the traffic survey in 2009 to count the number of different road users and I was disgusted by the number of cars with only one person in it. Vans I can understand as my dad is an Electrian but surely you could car share with someone at work, go by public transport, maybe invest in a bicycle trailer to carry the weeks shopping? or do your bike test and ride a motorcycle to work. Any of these would be cheaper, cleaner and more fun than sitting in traffic all day making life miserable for other road users. Just a thought?

Hi -what a refreshing quote. I commute from Steyning to Lewes road bus garage every day, and simply cannot wait until there are less cars. My only major concern is that there will be even more parking in the cycle lanes as there is now outside the estate agents etc -where are the police and traffic wardens?

Bendy Bus God wrote:

D5 wrote:

gauldblimeyjet wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
Well, no green votes lost here. This is what I and many more voted for. We want change.

I know the world will end for the petrol heads. But these proposals have been supported by a consultation already.

I struggle to see how anyone can be happy with the current situation. It is a mess. I would have a little sympathy if all the journeys were necessary (I am sure many are due to a lack of alternatives, but many are not) and people drove the smallest and most efficient vehicles, which is clearly not the case. The high number of private cars travelling into and parked in B&H hold the city back. I hope that this is the start of a proper modal shift, which has worked well in many European towns, adding to their prosperity and improved quality of life.

For many of the older generations it may come as a suprise that the 17-25s are not gaining their driving licenses and in the same numbers. Perhaps they do not have the same yearning to sit in traffic jams, certainly it is expensive for driving lessons, insurance and wages have stagnated for years and will continue to do so. We need to be planning for their future not the past. They are not too set in their ways to change.

Personally, I hope that the proposed changes will be good enough to allow my family to cycle along this route safely, which they can't do now.

Here Here!

I've commuted along the Lewes road for a number of years by bike but I still remember the first time I tried it and it was pretty scary so I hope these plans will encourage more people to travel by bike in future as the major barrier (i.e. safety concerns) will have been removed.

I hold both car and motorcycle licences but I don't see myself buying a car anytime soon. Seems a waste of money and fossil fuels.

I participated in the traffic survey in 2009 to count the number of different road users and I was disgusted by the number of cars with only one person in it. Vans I can understand as my dad is an Electrian but surely you could car share with someone at work, go by public transport, maybe invest in a bicycle trailer to carry the weeks shopping? or do your bike test and ride a motorcycle to work. Any of these would be cheaper, cleaner and more fun than sitting in traffic all day making life miserable for other road users. Just a thought?

Hi -what a refreshing quote. I commute from Steyning to Lewes road bus garage every day, and simply cannot wait until there are less cars. My only major concern is that there will be even more parking in the cycle lanes as there is now outside the estate agents etc -where are the police and traffic wardens?

If you can use the service 25 then you should. Its £8 for a weeks travel and come April 21st there will be 18 Bendy buses on the route providing a bus every 5 minutes, 3 minutes at the peak.

I'm not a great fan of cyclists but the route along Lewes Road isn't that safe. Will be even worse when 18 Bendy buses arrive trying to squeeze into bus stops which are far too small.

This proposal can only be a good thing.

salty_pete wrote:
"The proposals follow a six week council consultation last year, which showed a majority of the 550 responders wanted “more sustainable” choices on the road. "
Again the council has asked a question in a consultation that bears absolutely no resemblence to the outcome. This "majority" will now be used to justify utter chaos whilst the works are in progress, and once finished the traffic jams of stationary traffic will be used as a reason for further designer congestion of our roads. Would a conservative controlled council have agreed to this proposal by our "sustainable transport dept"?... I doubt it, as they would have learned from the abomination that is the A259 between Ovingdean and Telscombe. Although we desparately need a change in the Green policies of the council, we need a change of attitude in the senior officers of the "sustainable transport dept" even more.

Seagull John wrote:
Haven't seen one cyclist on the new cycle lane in Old Shoreham Rd yet. But I don't drive via Lewes Rd now as traffic already too slow. City is grinding to a standstill and I don't see this measure improving that. Biggest waste of money surely the massive electronic signs on the A23 in to Brighton which only say 'Think bike, think biker' What a waste of money! I thought something like that yesterday as a biker raced through a red light on a pedestrian crossing, ironically just missing three cyclists who were just walking across it. Bikers may get more sympathy if they also had license plates for license plate recognition to pick up their law breaking antics.

Roundperson wrote:
As an example, why does someone who lives in Steyning, work in Brighton ? If they moved to Brighton then they could use the bus or cycle. Perhaps businesses should be taxed on how far away their employees live from their work base.

PaulOckenden wrote:
beasmith, I may be lazy and/or stupid in your eyes (thanks!), but as I see it, my mode of transport comes down to personal choice. Cycling and/or buses have numerous disadvantages compared to a car, which is why I choose the latter.

If Brighton's council makes it impossible for me to drive to my business, I'll simply move the business (and the jobs) to somewhere else which doesn't make these short sighted transport decisions.

Still, I guess that IS one way to reduce the traffic - make the city so car-unfriendly that many of the local employers move elsewhere.

Seagull John wrote:
Haven't seen one cyclist on the new cycle lane in Old Shoreham Rd yet. But I don't drive via Lewes Rd now as traffic already too slow. City is grinding to a standstill and I don't see this measure improving that. Biggest waste of money surely the massive electronic signs on the A23 in to Brighton which only say 'Think bike, think biker' What a waste of money! I thought something like that yesterday as a biker raced through a red light on a pedestrian crossing, ironically just missing three cyclists who were just walking across it. Bikers may get more sympathy if they also had license plates for license plate recognition to pick up their law breaking antics.

Roundperson wrote:
As an example, why does someone who lives in Steyning, work in Brighton ? If they moved to Brighton then they could use the bus or cycle. Perhaps businesses should be taxed on how far away their employees live from their work base.

Hove Actually wrote:
This story can be summed up as follows
Car Driver, CCTV, Fines, Cash, More Cash, Fines, Parking Fines, Cash Cows oh and Welcome to brighton, Have a nice day

Bob_The_Ferret wrote:
Isn't it about time that the bicycle industry was force to start making safer bicycles?

The drastic safety improvements in motor cars in recent decades only occurred due to the pressure put on the motor industry to force them to develop safer cars. (Cars which are safer not just for the occupants, but also for anyone who has the misfortune to inadvertently come into contact with a moving car).

Bicycles today are just a dangerous as they were a hundred years ago, with the ever present danger of the rider coming into contact at speed with either the ground or other moving (or inanimate) objects, and lets face it, there are a lot more moving objects around to avoid these days.

Safety improvements for bicycles need to go much further than funny little hats and flashing lights. The industry ought to be looking at full body impact protection suits, roll cages, automatic collision avoidance systems, automatic braking systems to enforce compliance with traffic signals etc. It's not technical barriers that stop such improvements, rather the unwillingness of politicians to take the bold step to force the industry to bring these Dickensian mobile death traps into the 21st century. Undoubtedly there will be those cyclists who will rue the increased cost of their favoured transport equipment, but at what price safety?

Bob_The_Ferret wrote:
If you read the reports on the so-called consultations on the Lewes Road transport improvements, you'll notice how the respondents are not a representative mix of the travellers using the area as shown by the councils own figures. No weighting is applied to correct for this skewed viewpoint, thus the council then claim that the consultation supports the case they have put, even though the consultation has obviously been targeted only at those who will be expected to give 'the right answers'.

Bob_The_Ferret wrote:
Isn't it about time that the bicycle industry was force to start making safer bicycles? The drastic safety improvements in motor cars in recent decades only occurred due to the pressure put on the motor industry to force them to develop safer cars. (Cars which are safer not just for the occupants, but also for anyone who has the misfortune to inadvertently come into contact with a moving car). Bicycles today are just a dangerous as they were a hundred years ago, with the ever present danger of the rider coming into contact at speed with either the ground or other moving (or inanimate) objects, and lets face it, there are a lot more moving objects around to avoid these days. Safety improvements for bicycles need to go much further than funny little hats and flashing lights. The industry ought to be looking at full body impact protection suits, roll cages, automatic collision avoidance systems, automatic braking systems to enforce compliance with traffic signals etc. It's not technical barriers that stop such improvements, rather the unwillingness of politicians to take the bold step to force the industry to bring these Dickensian mobile death traps into the 21st century. Undoubtedly there will be those cyclists who will rue the increased cost of their favoured transport equipment, but at what price safety?

Seagull John wrote:
Haven't seen one cyclist on the new cycle lane in Old Shoreham Rd yet. But I don't drive via Lewes Rd now as traffic already too slow. City is grinding to a standstill and I don't see this measure improving that. Biggest waste of money surely the massive electronic signs on the A23 in to Brighton which only say 'Think bike, think biker' What a waste of money! I thought something like that yesterday as a biker raced through a red light on a pedestrian crossing, ironically just missing three cyclists who were just walking across it. Bikers may get more sympathy if they also had license plates for license plate recognition to pick up their law breaking antics.

tom servo wrote:

Seagull John wrote:
Haven't seen one cyclist on the new cycle lane in Old Shoreham Rd yet. But I don't drive via Lewes Rd now as traffic already too slow. City is grinding to a standstill and I don't see this measure improving that. Biggest waste of money surely the massive electronic signs on the A23 in to Brighton which only say 'Think bike, think biker' What a waste of money! I thought something like that yesterday as a biker raced through a red light on a pedestrian crossing, ironically just missing three cyclists who were just walking across it. Bikers may get more sympathy if they also had license plates for license plate recognition to pick up their law breaking antics.

Are you being dim on purpose? that campain is not about cyclists it's about "bikers".... motorbikes.

Seagull John wrote:

tom servo wrote:

Seagull John wrote:
Haven't seen one cyclist on the new cycle lane in Old Shoreham Rd yet. But I don't drive via Lewes Rd now as traffic already too slow. City is grinding to a standstill and I don't see this measure improving that. Biggest waste of money surely the massive electronic signs on the A23 in to Brighton which only say 'Think bike, think biker' What a waste of money! I thought something like that yesterday as a biker raced through a red light on a pedestrian crossing, ironically just missing three cyclists who were just walking across it. Bikers may get more sympathy if they also had license plates for license plate recognition to pick up their law breaking antics.

Are you being dim on purpose? that campain is not about cyclists it's about "bikers".... motorbikes.

What campaign? The message is meaningless. What exactly am I supposed to be thinking and how would I know it's about motorbikers not cyclists? If only motorbikers understand it, I presume by your prickly response that it's missing it's audience.

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
If the cycle lanes does not become a car park it might be worth doing.
But as the cycle lane at the moment gives up at the gryatory and by the Lewis road surgery because cars are always parked in it.

rehara wrote:
Fantastic news, shame the cycle lane is not segregated though. We need to get rid of all the dual carriageways in Brighton including along the seafront and London rd and make Brighton cycle and pedestrian friendly. Also ban cars in the North Lanes! The car drivers need to get out of their cars and use other forms of transport because we want to breath clean fresh air not pollution caused by selfish fat lazy motorists.

rehara wrote:
Fantastic news, shame the cycle lane is not segregated though. We need to get rid of all the dual carriageways in Brighton including along the seafront and London rd and make Brighton cycle and pedestrian friendly. Also ban cars in the North Lanes! The car drivers need to get out of their cars and use other forms of transport because we want to breath clean fresh air not pollution caused by selfish fat lazy motorists.

tom servo wrote:

Seagull John wrote:

tom servo wrote:

Seagull John wrote:
Haven't seen one cyclist on the new cycle lane in Old Shoreham Rd yet. But I don't drive via Lewes Rd now as traffic already too slow. City is grinding to a standstill and I don't see this measure improving that. Biggest waste of money surely the massive electronic signs on the A23 in to Brighton which only say 'Think bike, think biker' What a waste of money! I thought something like that yesterday as a biker raced through a red light on a pedestrian crossing, ironically just missing three cyclists who were just walking across it. Bikers may get more sympathy if they also had license plates for license plate recognition to pick up their law breaking antics.

Are you being dim on purpose? that campain is not about cyclists it's about "bikers".... motorbikes.

What campaign? The message is meaningless. What exactly am I supposed to be thinking and how would I know it's about motorbikers not cyclists? If only motorbikers understand it, I presume by your prickly response that it's missing it's audience.

You're making yourself look ignorant. Do some research.... everyone else knows what it is. http://think.direct.

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girlinavan wrote:
Finally!! Brighton should be an example to other cities, towns and villages in our country. Currently, when I walk around it I can feel it in my throat, it's disgusting. My job forces me to use a van, but I never use it when I can avoid it, as it is criminally wrong to make our kids along the road breath all the pollution that is emitted by our comfortable cars. I would love to see a Brighton with no cars, except for bare necessities such as ambulances, elderly (in electric ones), traders, etc. I am glad that better facilities are being put in place for more sustainable and healthy forms of transport. But I hope it doesn't stop there.

grumblegoat wrote:
Excellent news, and a well-written article. The Gyratory is the most dangerous place in Brighton for cyclists, and has long been in need of an intelligent re-design, and I don't mean increasing lanes for cars (@ PaulOckenden). As many other cities globally are realising, the future needs to be less cars, not more - and this approach can be beneficial to those businesses which have the foresight to adapt to change; the petrol-heads might prefer to move to Worthing, although they will likely only find a short-term tolerance of their attitudes there.