Sussex passengers freeze on ice cold trains

A train company has admitted its heating systems are “unacceptable” after passengers travelled in near freezing temperatures.

First Capital Connect (FCC) said it turned the heating off inside its carriages earlier than normal this year after a mild March but after a recent cold snap passengers said they could see their breath and were forced to wear extra layers to keep warm.

Richard Marris, who gets the 5.14am train from Preston Park, said an app on his phone showed the temperature on the train last week was just 2C.

He said: “It is uncomfortable. It is OK if you are walking to the station in that weather but you wouldn’t want to sit on a park bench.”

In a letter to FCC managing director Neal Lawson the 45-year-old wrote: “It may aid your empathy if you get into work early in the next few days, switch your heating off, open the windows then sit and work with a hat, scarf and gloves on.

"Unless you can see your breath you won’t be truly recreating what I experienced this morning.”

The Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers Union also criticised the lack of heating on trains.

FCC said it always switches the heating off in early April, regardless of the temperatures, and back on again in November but admitted issues with the heating systems on its class 319 trains in the past.

Last year there was a “major overhaul” of heating systems on the trains after the heating elements expired but were no longer being manufactured.

However this winter the new systems – with replaced wiring and elements – also cut out.

A company spokesman said the heating was on for sustained periods of time, which caused a protection circuit to trip out, switching the heating off.

He said: “In order to get the heating switched on again the train needed to be manually re-set inside a depot because the heating circuits are located underneath the carriages.

"We are looking at further modifications that can be made to avoid this in the future.”

The company admitted that passengers have had to endure cold temperatures on their train journeys.

The spokesman said: “Unfortunately the weather got very cold again towards the end of March, which meant that customers experienced some very cold journeys due to the heating being switched off.

"The engineering team are looking at the wiring diagrams for the heating circuits to assess if improvements can be made, as the current situation is clearly unacceptable.”

Comments(13)

john5001 says...
9:07am Thu 19 Apr 12

never happy, to cold soon it will be to hot

longman says...
9:22am Thu 19 Apr 12

too!

dividebytwo says...
9:58am Thu 19 Apr 12

dumb **** question, but why is the heat not thermostatically controlled all year round ? you know temp drops heat comes on - also doors close at stations after preset time/no use

The coldest train I ever have been on was a mid december snowing outside FCC train with no heat - the toilet had frozen over and the ticket (nazi) collector said well I'm ok and if you don't like it get off 'my' train and catch another

kkj says...
11:37am Thu 19 Apr 12

About 12 years ago, I complained about the lack of heat on a Thameslink service early one Monday morning. I was informed that train staff can't turn the heating on, it has to be done at the depot.

I see our railways have really advanced in the intervening years.

Goldenwight says...
11:45am Thu 19 Apr 12

Stagecoach buses have a similar problem with drivers not being able to regulate the heating en route.

For the benefit of those of you who have never travelled on an unheated train/bus may I remind you that these things have no insulation and are metal skinned- in short, they get VERY cold VERY quickly.

Anyway, the weather must be improving because at the depot they have turned the heating on for the summer in their bus fleet.

Alan G Skinner says...
12:55pm Thu 19 Apr 12

How do FCC keep their franchise? Anyone?

DSummers says...
1:13pm Thu 19 Apr 12

I have to travel on a FCC train every morning and throughout the winter it is unbearably cold on most days and makes commuting even more of a misery than it already is. I often arrive at work shaking with cold despite cladding myself in thermal underwear especially bought for the torturous train journey on these filthy, decrepit old tin cans that FCC call trains. It is an absolute outrage and disgrace what they expect their 'customers' to put up with, unfortunately I have no choice in the matter as I need to get to work

Wiggsy says...
1:17pm Thu 19 Apr 12

Given how ridiculously cold the trains are all year round, I'm surprised to learn the rolling stock actually has heating at all.

DSummers says...
1:29pm Thu 19 Apr 12

Wiggsy, I would say that most of the heaters on FCC do not work, in the morning you can see people going up the carriage trying to find a working heater to sit next to, even if you do manage to find one the heating seems to cut out just before Gatwick to be replaced with COLD air blowing out.

kkj says...
1:39pm Thu 19 Apr 12

DSummers wrote:
Wiggsy, I would say that most of the heaters on FCC do not work, in the morning you can see people going up the carriage trying to find a working heater to sit next to, even if you do manage to find one the heating seems to cut out just before Gatwick to be replaced with COLD air blowing out.
To be fair though, by the time the train leaves Burgess Hill its full to bursting so you'd need cold air to neutralise the body heat from all those extra people.

MuammarQaddafi says...
2:26pm Thu 19 Apr 12

My trusty hip flask--I don't step out for an early train without it!

lisaoutthere says...
5:56pm Thu 19 Apr 12

I'm hoping they never fix the heating so I can go into business selling gloves and thermal blankets. FCC branded, of course.

Borrom says...
9:26pm Thu 19 Apr 12

Great trains, aren't they? The old slam-door stock that I was brought up with, built in the 60s, just had heating which the guard turned on when it was likely to be colder, and off if it got too warm, when everyone could open the windows. Basic, yes, but a damned sight better than this dreadful stock, which dates from the 80s, but still has just heaters, and opening windows, rather than air conditioning. The old stock lasted perfectly well for 40 years and more, but, with this stuff, they haven't even worked out how to heat it after all this time. And the fact that FCC decides when to switch the heating off and on, and the staff on the train have no control, just beggars belief. The heating at school was better than this. I went off every year on April 1st, and back on on October 1st, even that could always be changed if the weather was unseasonal.

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