Brighton police investigate March for England complaints

Brighton police investigate March for England complaints

Brighton police investigate March for England complaints

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Police are investigating complaints of heavy-handedness at Sunday’s March for England protest.

Caroline Lucas, the Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, is understood to have referred to Sussex Police her concerns about footage from the March For England counter-protest in Queen’s Road, Brighton.

A video posted on internet site YouTube showed a line of officers, and some on horseback, hitting unarmed protesters with batons to force them down the road.

But police have described the tactics as “professional and proportionate” and said officers were themselves facing violence.

Hecklers Anti-fascist counter-demonstrators lined the road on Sunday lunchtime to heckle the nationalist marchers, whom they accuse of far-right extremism.

The march, strung out along the road, was subjected to missiles including plates of food and drinks cans.

A ten-year-old girl taking part in the march was hit on the head but continued to take part.

The parade’s progress was repeatedly halted by demonstrators blocking the road.

Officers used batons and pepper-spray to clear them from its path.

Police eventually decided not to help the march pass the Clock Tower but to escort it into Church Street through Victoria Gardens. More clashes followed in North Laine.

Former city councillor Jean Calder wrote to The Argus yesterday condemning the use of pepper spray on the counter-demonstrators.

She said: “Police are highly trained and well paid professionals.

“It is their job to uphold the law and deal with provocation without losing their temper.

“Other public servants, such as nurses and social workers have at times to deal with insults and physical abuse.

“Most do not resort to violence and neither should police.

“They should also be able to tell the difference between protesters who are law abiding and those who are not.”

Sussex Police confirmed it had received a complaint about the use of batons based on the YouTube clip, which has been circulated on social media website |Twitter.

Public safety Superintendent Steve Whitton said: “Our priority throughout the event was public safety and we acted to protect the march, the officers themselves and other members of the public.

“The brief and selective footage shows police officers acting in a professional and proportionate way when faced with hostile groups intent on stopping and attacking the march and the police officers.

“It has to be seen in the context of a complex four-hour operation in which police were regularly faced with aggressive and violent behaviour from a minority of the protesters, some of it even more violent than that shown in those brief clips.”

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12:27pm Tue 24 Apr 12

tinkle34 says...

In my eyes the police done a good job.Counter protesters against the march were charging at these policeman calling them scum throwing whatever they could into the march for England...Im quite willing to support the police & there actions as i was there!!!!
In my eyes the police done a good job.Counter protesters against the march were charging at these policeman calling them scum throwing whatever they could into the march for England...Im quite willing to support the police & there actions as i was there!!!! tinkle34
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12:32pm Tue 24 Apr 12

dhamallamafarmer says...

tinkle34 wrote:
In my eyes the police done a good job.Counter protesters against the march were charging at these policeman calling them scum throwing whatever they could into the march for England...Im quite willing to support the police & there actions as i was there!!!!
Unfortunately you can't spell therefore your opinion is invalid.
[quote][p][bold]tinkle34[/bold] wrote: In my eyes the police done a good job.Counter protesters against the march were charging at these policeman calling them scum throwing whatever they could into the march for England...Im quite willing to support the police & there actions as i was there!!!![/p][/quote]Unfortunately you can't spell therefore your opinion is invalid. dhamallamafarmer
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12:37pm Tue 24 Apr 12

tinkle34 says...

dhamallamafarmer wrote:
tinkle34 wrote:
In my eyes the police done a good job.Counter protesters against the march were charging at these policeman calling them scum throwing whatever they could into the march for England...Im quite willing to support the police & there actions as i was there!!!!
Unfortunately you can't spell therefore your opinion is invalid.
:)
[quote][p][bold]dhamallamafarmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinkle34[/bold] wrote: In my eyes the police done a good job.Counter protesters against the march were charging at these policeman calling them scum throwing whatever they could into the march for England...Im quite willing to support the police & there actions as i was there!!!![/p][/quote]Unfortunately you can't spell therefore your opinion is invalid.[/p][/quote]:) tinkle34
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12:46pm Tue 24 Apr 12

tinkle34 says...

Valid as i write....excuse me my phone is ringing.
Valid as i write....excuse me my phone is ringing. tinkle34
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12:54pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Mollychops says...

Neither Caroline Lucas nor Jean Calder have any idea what they're talking about. I'd love to see them faced with a few hundred masked violent people intent on hurting them or causing damage... You cannot compare the violence faced by the Police every day to isolated incidents other public sector workers face. Lucas needs to go now, she's failed as a leader.
Neither Caroline Lucas nor Jean Calder have any idea what they're talking about. I'd love to see them faced with a few hundred masked violent people intent on hurting them or causing damage... You cannot compare the violence faced by the Police every day to isolated incidents other public sector workers face. Lucas needs to go now, she's failed as a leader. Mollychops
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12:57pm Tue 24 Apr 12

AmboGuy says...

Problem is the police are damned is they do and damned if they don't. They try to control the marchers and they're big bullies and get complained about or they stand back and people ask why they didn't do more and they get complained about. I personally see nothing wrong with giving a few mfe or uaf thugs a bit of a slap!!
Problem is the police are damned is they do and damned if they don't. They try to control the marchers and they're big bullies and get complained about or they stand back and people ask why they didn't do more and they get complained about. I personally see nothing wrong with giving a few mfe or uaf thugs a bit of a slap!! AmboGuy
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1:10pm Tue 24 Apr 12

wharrgarbl says...

I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages.

The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are.

Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.
I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages. The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are. Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous. wharrgarbl
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1:17pm Tue 24 Apr 12

hursthill says...

Brighton was until recently the most politically tolerant place in Britain, with it's large gay and student population.
However the arrival from outside of Lucas, who has defended violence by smashedo, defended female suicide bombers and attacked the police, has changed the atmosphere in brighton forever.
But she knows what goes around, comes around.
Brighton was until recently the most politically tolerant place in Britain, with it's large gay and student population. However the arrival from outside of Lucas, who has defended violence by smashedo, defended female suicide bombers and attacked the police, has changed the atmosphere in brighton forever. But she knows what goes around, comes around. hursthill
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1:19pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Number Six says...

wharrgarbl wrote:
I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages. The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are. Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.
Unfortunately in this country we have a right to peaceful protest. That includes everybody, not just those that you approve of.

Damned inconvenient, this democracy caper
[quote][p][bold]wharrgarbl[/bold] wrote: I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages. The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are. Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately in this country we have a right to peaceful protest. That includes everybody, not just those that you approve of. Damned inconvenient, this democracy caper Number Six
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1:19pm Tue 24 Apr 12

ripmaxman says...

What idiot bought a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence?

Why do the residents of Brighton have to put up with these marches? Is it because they know that Caroline Lucas and Jean Calder will support them!!

The Police should have had water cannon and washed the scum out of our city.

The sooner the Greens are kicked out the better for Brighton and Hove.
What idiot bought a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Why do the residents of Brighton have to put up with these marches? Is it because they know that Caroline Lucas and Jean Calder will support them!! The Police should have had water cannon and washed the scum out of our city. The sooner the Greens are kicked out the better for Brighton and Hove. ripmaxman
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1:23pm Tue 24 Apr 12

wharrgarbl says...

Number Six wrote:
wharrgarbl wrote:
I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages. The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are. Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.
Unfortunately in this country we have a right to peaceful protest. That includes everybody, not just those that you approve of.

Damned inconvenient, this democracy caper
They do have the right to peaceful protest, I never said they didn't. But tell me what's peaceful about coming to one of the most diverse and multi-cultural cities in the UK specifically to get drunk and spread racist hate speech? People in Brighton don't want them here (or anywhere, but that's a different matter...) and so for them to come down and expect a peaceful protest is a bit ridiculous if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wharrgarbl[/bold] wrote: I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages. The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are. Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately in this country we have a right to peaceful protest. That includes everybody, not just those that you approve of. Damned inconvenient, this democracy caper[/p][/quote]They do have the right to peaceful protest, I never said they didn't. But tell me what's peaceful about coming to one of the most diverse and multi-cultural cities in the UK specifically to get drunk and spread racist hate speech? People in Brighton don't want them here (or anywhere, but that's a different matter...) and so for them to come down and expect a peaceful protest is a bit ridiculous if you ask me. wharrgarbl
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1:38pm Tue 24 Apr 12

tinkle34 says...

hursthill wrote:
Brighton was until recently the most politically tolerant place in Britain, with it's large gay and student population.
However the arrival from outside of Lucas, who has defended violence by smashedo, defended female suicide bombers and attacked the police, has changed the atmosphere in brighton forever.
But she knows what goes around, comes around.
And brace yourself Brighton because these groups plan to course chaos on the Queens Jubilee bank holiday!!!!
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: Brighton was until recently the most politically tolerant place in Britain, with it's large gay and student population. However the arrival from outside of Lucas, who has defended violence by smashedo, defended female suicide bombers and attacked the police, has changed the atmosphere in brighton forever. But she knows what goes around, comes around.[/p][/quote]And brace yourself Brighton because these groups plan to course chaos on the Queens Jubilee bank holiday!!!! tinkle34
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2:06pm Tue 24 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

The marchers, much as I deplore their cause, were engaged in a legitimate activity. The counter-protesters were involved in rowdy public behaviour.

Heavy handed? How many counter-protesters ended up in Hospital? I know a horse got hurt and a couple of officers ... I know my daughter ended up getting caught up in this whole debacle, terrified by the counter protesters and telephoning home in a panic because she was scared.

Do get a grip on reality Caroline Lucas
The marchers, much as I deplore their cause, were engaged in a legitimate activity. The counter-protesters were involved in rowdy public behaviour. Heavy handed? How many counter-protesters ended up in Hospital? I know a horse got hurt and a couple of officers ... I know my daughter ended up getting caught up in this whole debacle, terrified by the counter protesters and telephoning home in a panic because she was scared. Do get a grip on reality Caroline Lucas mimseycal
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2:17pm Tue 24 Apr 12

clubrob6 says...

The trouble was the anti march protesters were causing most of the trouble,if they want to show that they are against the march why dont they march too instead of hiding amongst the viewing public.I think the police did a great job.Surely a better way to show they oppose the march is to have a march themselves....
The trouble was the anti march protesters were causing most of the trouble,if they want to show that they are against the march why dont they march too instead of hiding amongst the viewing public.I think the police did a great job.Surely a better way to show they oppose the march is to have a march themselves.... clubrob6
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2:20pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Smartbloke says...

ripmaxman wrote:
What idiot bought a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence?

Why do the residents of Brighton have to put up with these marches? Is it because they know that Caroline Lucas and Jean Calder will support them!!

The Police should have had water cannon and washed the scum out of our city.

The sooner the Greens are kicked out the better for Brighton and Hove.
Or... we could wash scum like you out of the city, and it would make it a much nicer place to live in.

The sooner EDL-apologists like you with their 'Muslamic Ray Guns' are kicked out - the better for Brighton & Hove.
[quote][p][bold]ripmaxman[/bold] wrote: What idiot bought a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Why do the residents of Brighton have to put up with these marches? Is it because they know that Caroline Lucas and Jean Calder will support them!! The Police should have had water cannon and washed the scum out of our city. The sooner the Greens are kicked out the better for Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]Or... we could wash scum like you out of the city, and it would make it a much nicer place to live in. The sooner EDL-apologists like you with their 'Muslamic Ray Guns' are kicked out - the better for Brighton & Hove. Smartbloke
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2:23pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Smartbloke says...

Gotta love the Argus webpages - full of screaming, terrified, small-town-value curtain-twitchers, convinced that immigrants, paedohpiles, AIDS and scroungers lurk on every street corner.

Brilliant.
Gotta love the Argus webpages - full of screaming, terrified, small-town-value curtain-twitchers, convinced that immigrants, paedohpiles, AIDS and scroungers lurk on every street corner. Brilliant. Smartbloke
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2:28pm Tue 24 Apr 12

PorkBoat says...

I think the police were far too soft on the "Anti-Fascists".
I think the police were far too soft on the "Anti-Fascists". PorkBoat
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2:28pm Tue 24 Apr 12

clubrob6 says...

Mollychops wrote:
Neither Caroline Lucas nor Jean Calder have any idea what they're talking about. I'd love to see them faced with a few hundred masked violent people intent on hurting them or causing damage... You cannot compare the violence faced by the Police every day to isolated incidents other public sector workers face. Lucas needs to go now, she's failed as a leader.
Well said the so called protesters against the march hiding amongst the public were there to cause trouble by breaking the law,these police acted to protect the marchers,the public and for that fact the law abiding anti march protesters.The police were getting attacked and acted VERY WELL i think the anti march protesters should also be made to march so law and order can be kept.
[quote][p][bold]Mollychops[/bold] wrote: Neither Caroline Lucas nor Jean Calder have any idea what they're talking about. I'd love to see them faced with a few hundred masked violent people intent on hurting them or causing damage... You cannot compare the violence faced by the Police every day to isolated incidents other public sector workers face. Lucas needs to go now, she's failed as a leader.[/p][/quote]Well said the so called protesters against the march hiding amongst the public were there to cause trouble by breaking the law,these police acted to protect the marchers,the public and for that fact the law abiding anti march protesters.The police were getting attacked and acted VERY WELL i think the anti march protesters should also be made to march so law and order can be kept. clubrob6
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2:36pm Tue 24 Apr 12

clubrob6 says...

wharrgarbl wrote:
I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages.

The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are.

Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.
Wrong they were attacking police THE POLICE IN MY OPINION UNDER REACTED,the police did a great job.I suggest the people from both sides wearing masks were the ones more likely to cause trouble hence they cover faces.Elements from both sides have extreme views unfortunately the EDL use these marches for their extreme views .
[quote][p][bold]wharrgarbl[/bold] wrote: I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages. The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are. Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Wrong they were attacking police THE POLICE IN MY OPINION UNDER REACTED,the police did a great job.I suggest the people from both sides wearing masks were the ones more likely to cause trouble hence they cover faces.Elements from both sides have extreme views unfortunately the EDL use these marches for their extreme views . clubrob6
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2:40pm Tue 24 Apr 12

wharrgarbl says...

I love how people think that all of UAF/the antis are trouble makers. If there were 400 or 500 people breaking the law and attacking police officers you'd know about it, and so would they. Applying a blanket statement on all of the protesters because of a few bad apples does no-one any favours and just raises tensions between everyone. Stop and think about things for five minutes.

And to those who think the police were too soft - how would you like it if you were attacked by the police for simply standing in the road? There was very little provocation towards police officers before they attacked, and naturally the antis got pretty **** off about it and things got worse from there. I would know, I was there watching the whole thing and appalled at the police response to the march being halted for a minute or two.
I love how people think that all of UAF/the antis are trouble makers. If there were 400 or 500 people breaking the law and attacking police officers you'd know about it, and so would they. Applying a blanket statement on all of the protesters because of a few bad apples does no-one any favours and just raises tensions between everyone. Stop and think about things for five minutes. And to those who think the police were too soft - how would you like it if you were attacked by the police for simply standing in the road? There was very little provocation towards police officers before they attacked, and naturally the antis got pretty **** off about it and things got worse from there. I would know, I was there watching the whole thing and appalled at the police response to the march being halted for a minute or two. wharrgarbl
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2:46pm Tue 24 Apr 12

wharrgarbl says...

clubrob6 wrote:
wharrgarbl wrote:
I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages.

The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are.

Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.
Wrong they were attacking police THE POLICE IN MY OPINION UNDER REACTED,the police did a great job.I suggest the people from both sides wearing masks were the ones more likely to cause trouble hence they cover faces.Elements from both sides have extreme views unfortunately the EDL use these marches for their extreme views .
Well, you obviously didn't read my comment about people masking up for a reason then did you? Unfortunately for you your suggestion is quite erroneous, and if you think an acceptable police response to people standing in the road is to attack them then that says quite a lot about your character if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wharrgarbl[/bold] wrote: I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages. The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are. Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Wrong they were attacking police THE POLICE IN MY OPINION UNDER REACTED,the police did a great job.I suggest the people from both sides wearing masks were the ones more likely to cause trouble hence they cover faces.Elements from both sides have extreme views unfortunately the EDL use these marches for their extreme views .[/p][/quote]Well, you obviously didn't read my comment about people masking up for a reason then did you? Unfortunately for you your suggestion is quite erroneous, and if you think an acceptable police response to people standing in the road is to attack them then that says quite a lot about your character if you ask me. wharrgarbl
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2:56pm Tue 24 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

If you are standing in a road to prevent a legitimate march from taking place, you are actively engaged in illegal behaviour.

No one has the right to stop any individual or group of individuals from engaging in a legal activity, regardless of how obnoxious you may regard that activity.
If you are standing in a road to prevent a legitimate march from taking place, you are actively engaged in illegal behaviour. No one has the right to stop any individual or group of individuals from engaging in a legal activity, regardless of how obnoxious you may regard that activity. mimseycal
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3:02pm Tue 24 Apr 12

wharrgarbl says...

mimseycal wrote:
If you are standing in a road to prevent a legitimate march from taking place, you are actively engaged in illegal behaviour.

No one has the right to stop any individual or group of individuals from engaging in a legal activity, regardless of how obnoxious you may regard that activity.
So when someone does anything illegal these days, such as standing the road, the police are allowed to assault them?
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: If you are standing in a road to prevent a legitimate march from taking place, you are actively engaged in illegal behaviour. No one has the right to stop any individual or group of individuals from engaging in a legal activity, regardless of how obnoxious you may regard that activity.[/p][/quote]So when someone does anything illegal these days, such as standing the road, the police are allowed to assault them? wharrgarbl
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3:06pm Tue 24 Apr 12

silverfox499 says...

Whilst I appreciate the "innocent" counter protestors are simply standing in the road this is in fact obstructing not only the highway but also a legitimate authorised march from taking place, thus committing an offence.
That aside what you don't see in this snip-it of footage is the glass bottles of urine being thrown randomly at police and other member of public that we're within the march.
Some are stating that not all anti fascists are out to cause trouble. This also means that not all persons involved in the march for England are racists. You can't have it both ways.
Regardless of your views of the March for England group they communicated with Police, marched along the route they were given, gave speeches in the time they were given and then dispersed without incident. Can this EVER be said of other protest groups that march through Brighton??? How many times have the anti capitalist marches ended up sitting in the road causing as much grief as possible for the people of Brighton and Hove???
Whilst I appreciate the "innocent" counter protestors are simply standing in the road this is in fact obstructing not only the highway but also a legitimate authorised march from taking place, thus committing an offence. That aside what you don't see in this snip-it of footage is the glass bottles of urine being thrown randomly at police and other member of public that we're within the march. Some are stating that not all anti fascists are out to cause trouble. This also means that not all persons involved in the march for England are racists. You can't have it both ways. Regardless of your views of the March for England group they communicated with Police, marched along the route they were given, gave speeches in the time they were given and then dispersed without incident. Can this EVER be said of other protest groups that march through Brighton??? How many times have the anti capitalist marches ended up sitting in the road causing as much grief as possible for the people of Brighton and Hove??? silverfox499
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3:12pm Tue 24 Apr 12

silverfox499 says...

And in relation to Ms Calders statement of "other public sector workers are subjected to insults and abuse" I agree they are. This does not make it right. But when assaulted who do they call because its not the ghostbusters, it's the police.....why, because they have the means to get the job done.
Perhaps next time there's a major protest planned for Brighton she should ask for volunteers to stand with her from the nursing sector and social services and we'll leave it to them to sort out. Seeing as she's so experienced in dealing with it.
And in relation to Ms Calders statement of "other public sector workers are subjected to insults and abuse" I agree they are. This does not make it right. But when assaulted who do they call because its not the ghostbusters, it's the police.....why, because they have the means to get the job done. Perhaps next time there's a major protest planned for Brighton she should ask for volunteers to stand with her from the nursing sector and social services and we'll leave it to them to sort out. Seeing as she's so experienced in dealing with it. silverfox499
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3:13pm Tue 24 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

"So when someone does anything illegal these days, such as standing the road, the police are allowed to assault them?”

The police are acting within their remit to ask them to remove themselves. If they refuse to remove themselves or generally behave in a rowdy/threatening/ab
usive manner than the police have a public duty to perform.

Moral self righteousness is no justification for atrocious behaviour in public.
"So when someone does anything illegal these days, such as standing the road, the police are allowed to assault them?” The police are acting within their remit to ask them to remove themselves. If they refuse to remove themselves or generally behave in a rowdy/threatening/ab usive manner than the police have a public duty to perform. Moral self righteousness is no justification for atrocious behaviour in public. mimseycal
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3:14pm Tue 24 Apr 12

UppityPrimate says...

much as the EDL, BNP, MFE et al disgust me, i can't help but feel that the reason they come here to march is because they know they will get a reaction. they're mostly protesting against ethnic minorities and islam. brighton, and i use london, reading, bracknell, and slough to base this comparison on, having lived in the above, is VERY white and predominantly either non religious, or christian. therefore their ONLY reason for coming here is that there's a lot of left-leaning liberals who will be disgusted by their actions and they'll get the reaction they want. i can't help but feel that if they marched, unhindered, down an empty street with not a soul looking or speaking to them, and the pubs continued to refuse to serve them, they'd probably get bored very shortly. the problem is when we treat half-aked ideas like these as if they're a:credible and b:dangerous. if you ask me, the single best weapon against the EDL IS the EDL. the BNP was dangerous because it shied away from the contentious issues in it's agenda, and focused on spin and half-truths to sway those who were on the fence either through apathy, or a lack of knowledge. just by existing, the EDL has irreparably damaged the hold the BNP had, by throwing those issues and that kind of behaviour back into the public eye. i also strongly believe that overall, the tide has turned. in the early stages of the recession, it was easier to point the finger at a grassroots level at immigrants, and 'forrins' but once the truth came to light, and we saw the people shaftin us were actually well-off, english born bred and educated at oxford, and when the smoke cleared from last summer's riots and the picture emerged of equal blame on young, 'ethnically' british people as on second and third gen migrants, and the footage emerged of groups of muslim and sikh men out peacefully protecting their communities.. a lot of credibility was lost for right-wing views in that time.
much as the EDL, BNP, MFE et al disgust me, i can't help but feel that the reason they come here to march is because they know they will get a reaction. they're mostly protesting against ethnic minorities and islam. brighton, and i use london, reading, bracknell, and slough to base this comparison on, having lived in the above, is VERY white and predominantly either non religious, or christian. therefore their ONLY reason for coming here is that there's a lot of left-leaning liberals who will be disgusted by their actions and they'll get the reaction they want. i can't help but feel that if they marched, unhindered, down an empty street with not a soul looking or speaking to them, and the pubs continued to refuse to serve them, they'd probably get bored very shortly. the problem is when we treat half-aked ideas like these as if they're a:credible and b:dangerous. if you ask me, the single best weapon against the EDL IS the EDL. the BNP was dangerous because it shied away from the contentious issues in it's agenda, and focused on spin and half-truths to sway those who were on the fence either through apathy, or a lack of knowledge. just by existing, the EDL has irreparably damaged the hold the BNP had, by throwing those issues and that kind of behaviour back into the public eye. i also strongly believe that overall, the tide has turned. in the early stages of the recession, it was easier to point the finger at a grassroots level at immigrants, and 'forrins' but once the truth came to light, and we saw the people shaftin us were actually well-off, english born bred and educated at oxford, and when the smoke cleared from last summer's riots and the picture emerged of equal blame on young, 'ethnically' british people as on second and third gen migrants, and the footage emerged of groups of muslim and sikh men out peacefully protecting their communities.. a lot of credibility was lost for right-wing views in that time. UppityPrimate
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3:14pm Tue 24 Apr 12

voiceofthescoombe says...

why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton.
All it brings is trouble.
What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.
why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton. All it brings is trouble. What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis. voiceofthescoombe
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3:18pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Roundperson says...

wharrgarbl wrote:
mimseycal wrote: If you are standing in a road to prevent a legitimate march from taking place, you are actively engaged in illegal behaviour. No one has the right to stop any individual or group of individuals from engaging in a legal activity, regardless of how obnoxious you may regard that activity.
So when someone does anything illegal these days, such as standing the road, the police are allowed to assault them?
If you dont move when told to by the police, then you are causing an obstruction - and may be moved with whatever force is required. The police in these situations haven't got time to discuss the matter.
[quote][p][bold]wharrgarbl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: If you are standing in a road to prevent a legitimate march from taking place, you are actively engaged in illegal behaviour. No one has the right to stop any individual or group of individuals from engaging in a legal activity, regardless of how obnoxious you may regard that activity.[/p][/quote]So when someone does anything illegal these days, such as standing the road, the police are allowed to assault them?[/p][/quote]If you dont move when told to by the police, then you are causing an obstruction - and may be moved with whatever force is required. The police in these situations haven't got time to discuss the matter. Roundperson
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3:18pm Tue 24 Apr 12

wharrgarbl says...

silverfox499 wrote:
Whilst I appreciate the "innocent" counter protestors are simply standing in the road this is in fact obstructing not only the highway but also a legitimate authorised march from taking place, thus committing an offence.
That aside what you don't see in this snip-it of footage is the glass bottles of urine being thrown randomly at police and other member of public that we're within the march.
Some are stating that not all anti fascists are out to cause trouble. This also means that not all persons involved in the march for England are racists. You can't have it both ways.
Regardless of your views of the March for England group they communicated with Police, marched along the route they were given, gave speeches in the time they were given and then dispersed without incident. Can this EVER be said of other protest groups that march through Brighton??? How many times have the anti capitalist marches ended up sitting in the road causing as much grief as possible for the people of Brighton and Hove???
Yes, bottles were thrown, but again you can't generalise this to the whole of the antis. The police should be going after the individuals committing these crimes, not assaulting everyone and calling it professional policing.

The road was closed for the march anyway so having people stopping it wouldn't have made any difference. There were a lot of regular EDL faces in the crowd, and whilst not everyone may have been racist they still know the connotations and connections that the march has and thus should know what to expect.

When it comes to anti-capitalism protests the police don't give the organisers a single bit of freedom or respect. Take the mayday protests in 2010 for example - the police had the whole march in a mobile kettle and completely re-organised the route, raising tensions and getting people angry. People again were assaulted just for not doing exactly as the police wanted. And I think you'll find that the police, as in most marches these days, ended up disrupting most of the traffic with their five departments making a complete hash up of their operation during said protest.
[quote][p][bold]silverfox499[/bold] wrote: Whilst I appreciate the "innocent" counter protestors are simply standing in the road this is in fact obstructing not only the highway but also a legitimate authorised march from taking place, thus committing an offence. That aside what you don't see in this snip-it of footage is the glass bottles of urine being thrown randomly at police and other member of public that we're within the march. Some are stating that not all anti fascists are out to cause trouble. This also means that not all persons involved in the march for England are racists. You can't have it both ways. Regardless of your views of the March for England group they communicated with Police, marched along the route they were given, gave speeches in the time they were given and then dispersed without incident. Can this EVER be said of other protest groups that march through Brighton??? How many times have the anti capitalist marches ended up sitting in the road causing as much grief as possible for the people of Brighton and Hove???[/p][/quote]Yes, bottles were thrown, but again you can't generalise this to the whole of the antis. The police should be going after the individuals committing these crimes, not assaulting everyone and calling it professional policing. The road was closed for the march anyway so having people stopping it wouldn't have made any difference. There were a lot of regular EDL faces in the crowd, and whilst not everyone may have been racist they still know the connotations and connections that the march has and thus should know what to expect. When it comes to anti-capitalism protests the police don't give the organisers a single bit of freedom or respect. Take the mayday protests in 2010 for example - the police had the whole march in a mobile kettle and completely re-organised the route, raising tensions and getting people angry. People again were assaulted just for not doing exactly as the police wanted. And I think you'll find that the police, as in most marches these days, ended up disrupting most of the traffic with their five departments making a complete hash up of their operation during said protest. wharrgarbl
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3:36pm Tue 24 Apr 12

silverfox499 says...

wharrgarbl wrote:
silverfox499 wrote:
Whilst I appreciate the "innocent" counter protestors are simply standing in the road this is in fact obstructing not only the highway but also a legitimate authorised march from taking place, thus committing an offence.
That aside what you don't see in this snip-it of footage is the glass bottles of urine being thrown randomly at police and other member of public that we're within the march.
Some are stating that not all anti fascists are out to cause trouble. This also means that not all persons involved in the march for England are racists. You can't have it both ways.
Regardless of your views of the March for England group they communicated with Police, marched along the route they were given, gave speeches in the time they were given and then dispersed without incident. Can this EVER be said of other protest groups that march through Brighton??? How many times have the anti capitalist marches ended up sitting in the road causing as much grief as possible for the people of Brighton and Hove???
Yes, bottles were thrown, but again you can't generalise this to the whole of the antis. The police should be going after the individuals committing these crimes, not assaulting everyone and calling it professional policing.

The road was closed for the march anyway so having people stopping it wouldn't have made any difference. There were a lot of regular EDL faces in the crowd, and whilst not everyone may have been racist they still know the connotations and connections that the march has and thus should know what to expect.

When it comes to anti-capitalism protests the police don't give the organisers a single bit of freedom or respect. Take the mayday protests in 2010 for example - the police had the whole march in a mobile kettle and completely re-organised the route, raising tensions and getting people angry. People again were assaulted just for not doing exactly as the police wanted. And I think you'll find that the police, as in most marches these days, ended up disrupting most of the traffic with their five departments making a complete hash up of their operation during said protest.
Forgive me but a group of anti capitalists preventing a march from going further forward with no means of going back due to its numbers seems to me to be kettleing. Something you appear to dispise.
Whilst I agree the road was closed anyway it was closed for a march, not a stand. Remaining where they were was causing people to get injured with the incoming missiles. If the group in the video had moved, they wouldn't have been on the receiving end of what they were. You complain that police assault people for "not doing as they wanted" but that's Law and Order I'm afraid. Action vs consequence. In a protest such as this with such raw emotion the police don't have time to explain the reasoning, just tell people what they want doing. If thats not carried put there will be a consequence.
[quote][p][bold]wharrgarbl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]silverfox499[/bold] wrote: Whilst I appreciate the "innocent" counter protestors are simply standing in the road this is in fact obstructing not only the highway but also a legitimate authorised march from taking place, thus committing an offence. That aside what you don't see in this snip-it of footage is the glass bottles of urine being thrown randomly at police and other member of public that we're within the march. Some are stating that not all anti fascists are out to cause trouble. This also means that not all persons involved in the march for England are racists. You can't have it both ways. Regardless of your views of the March for England group they communicated with Police, marched along the route they were given, gave speeches in the time they were given and then dispersed without incident. Can this EVER be said of other protest groups that march through Brighton??? How many times have the anti capitalist marches ended up sitting in the road causing as much grief as possible for the people of Brighton and Hove???[/p][/quote]Yes, bottles were thrown, but again you can't generalise this to the whole of the antis. The police should be going after the individuals committing these crimes, not assaulting everyone and calling it professional policing. The road was closed for the march anyway so having people stopping it wouldn't have made any difference. There were a lot of regular EDL faces in the crowd, and whilst not everyone may have been racist they still know the connotations and connections that the march has and thus should know what to expect. When it comes to anti-capitalism protests the police don't give the organisers a single bit of freedom or respect. Take the mayday protests in 2010 for example - the police had the whole march in a mobile kettle and completely re-organised the route, raising tensions and getting people angry. People again were assaulted just for not doing exactly as the police wanted. And I think you'll find that the police, as in most marches these days, ended up disrupting most of the traffic with their five departments making a complete hash up of their operation during said protest.[/p][/quote]Forgive me but a group of anti capitalists preventing a march from going further forward with no means of going back due to its numbers seems to me to be kettleing. Something you appear to dispise. Whilst I agree the road was closed anyway it was closed for a march, not a stand. Remaining where they were was causing people to get injured with the incoming missiles. If the group in the video had moved, they wouldn't have been on the receiving end of what they were. You complain that police assault people for "not doing as they wanted" but that's Law and Order I'm afraid. Action vs consequence. In a protest such as this with such raw emotion the police don't have time to explain the reasoning, just tell people what they want doing. If thats not carried put there will be a consequence. silverfox499
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3:37pm Tue 24 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton.
All it brings is trouble.
What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.
You may not like their views, I know I certainly don't like their views ... but they have every right to hold their views and, yes, to hold their march if they have followed the right procedure.

There are better ways to indicate your objection to their presence ... avoid being there.

If no one had turned up to get morally indignant, the whole 140+/- of them would have marched in, held their pathetic little rally and marched out again.

Instead we have given them hours of free publicity with all these pre-march caterwauling, during march disruptions and post march accusations and counter accusations.
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton. All it brings is trouble. What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.[/p][/quote]You may not like their views, I know I certainly don't like their views ... but they have every right to hold their views and, yes, to hold their march if they have followed the right procedure. There are better ways to indicate your objection to their presence ... avoid being there. If no one had turned up to get morally indignant, the whole 140+/- of them would have marched in, held their pathetic little rally and marched out again. Instead we have given them hours of free publicity with all these pre-march caterwauling, during march disruptions and post march accusations and counter accusations. mimseycal
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3:39pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Number Six says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton. All it brings is trouble. What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.
Apart from your last clause(I think) the same argument precisely fits Smash EDO
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton. All it brings is trouble. What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.[/p][/quote]Apart from your last clause(I think) the same argument precisely fits Smash EDO Number Six
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3:45pm Tue 24 Apr 12

wharrgarbl says...

silverfox499 wrote:
wharrgarbl wrote:
silverfox499 wrote:
Whilst I appreciate the "innocent" counter protestors are simply standing in the road this is in fact obstructing not only the highway but also a legitimate authorised march from taking place, thus committing an offence.
That aside what you don't see in this snip-it of footage is the glass bottles of urine being thrown randomly at police and other member of public that we're within the march.
Some are stating that not all anti fascists are out to cause trouble. This also means that not all persons involved in the march for England are racists. You can't have it both ways.
Regardless of your views of the March for England group they communicated with Police, marched along the route they were given, gave speeches in the time they were given and then dispersed without incident. Can this EVER be said of other protest groups that march through Brighton??? How many times have the anti capitalist marches ended up sitting in the road causing as much grief as possible for the people of Brighton and Hove???
Yes, bottles were thrown, but again you can't generalise this to the whole of the antis. The police should be going after the individuals committing these crimes, not assaulting everyone and calling it professional policing.

The road was closed for the march anyway so having people stopping it wouldn't have made any difference. There were a lot of regular EDL faces in the crowd, and whilst not everyone may have been racist they still know the connotations and connections that the march has and thus should know what to expect.

When it comes to anti-capitalism protests the police don't give the organisers a single bit of freedom or respect. Take the mayday protests in 2010 for example - the police had the whole march in a mobile kettle and completely re-organised the route, raising tensions and getting people angry. People again were assaulted just for not doing exactly as the police wanted. And I think you'll find that the police, as in most marches these days, ended up disrupting most of the traffic with their five departments making a complete hash up of their operation during said protest.
Forgive me but a group of anti capitalists preventing a march from going further forward with no means of going back due to its numbers seems to me to be kettleing. Something you appear to dispise.
Whilst I agree the road was closed anyway it was closed for a march, not a stand. Remaining where they were was causing people to get injured with the incoming missiles. If the group in the video had moved, they wouldn't have been on the receiving end of what they were. You complain that police assault people for "not doing as they wanted" but that's Law and Order I'm afraid. Action vs consequence. In a protest such as this with such raw emotion the police don't have time to explain the reasoning, just tell people what they want doing. If thats not carried put there will be a consequence.
Anti-fascists, but I'll let you off. Anyway, kettling is completely surrounding and containing a group of people for a long time, not standing in the road for a couple of minutes.

I think at the end of the day, in my opinion and many others I have spoken to, the police reaction was far too severe for what was happening. They could have easily broken the line of antis or used other tactics, instead they decided to assault them with batons. This raised tensions and made people more violent and reactionary later on, which in my eyes isn't very professional. The act of not giving reason and then suddenly attacking non-violent protesters smacks of the actions of a police state. Many people at the front of the blockade had no idea the police were going to attack them and I doubt they would have moved there if they knew what was going to happen.

Anyway, I've wasted far too much time on this thread so I shall leave you all to your day. Solidarity to UAF and the antis, but most of all lets keep these racist thugs out of our city!
[quote][p][bold]silverfox499[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wharrgarbl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]silverfox499[/bold] wrote: Whilst I appreciate the "innocent" counter protestors are simply standing in the road this is in fact obstructing not only the highway but also a legitimate authorised march from taking place, thus committing an offence. That aside what you don't see in this snip-it of footage is the glass bottles of urine being thrown randomly at police and other member of public that we're within the march. Some are stating that not all anti fascists are out to cause trouble. This also means that not all persons involved in the march for England are racists. You can't have it both ways. Regardless of your views of the March for England group they communicated with Police, marched along the route they were given, gave speeches in the time they were given and then dispersed without incident. Can this EVER be said of other protest groups that march through Brighton??? How many times have the anti capitalist marches ended up sitting in the road causing as much grief as possible for the people of Brighton and Hove???[/p][/quote]Yes, bottles were thrown, but again you can't generalise this to the whole of the antis. The police should be going after the individuals committing these crimes, not assaulting everyone and calling it professional policing. The road was closed for the march anyway so having people stopping it wouldn't have made any difference. There were a lot of regular EDL faces in the crowd, and whilst not everyone may have been racist they still know the connotations and connections that the march has and thus should know what to expect. When it comes to anti-capitalism protests the police don't give the organisers a single bit of freedom or respect. Take the mayday protests in 2010 for example - the police had the whole march in a mobile kettle and completely re-organised the route, raising tensions and getting people angry. People again were assaulted just for not doing exactly as the police wanted. And I think you'll find that the police, as in most marches these days, ended up disrupting most of the traffic with their five departments making a complete hash up of their operation during said protest.[/p][/quote]Forgive me but a group of anti capitalists preventing a march from going further forward with no means of going back due to its numbers seems to me to be kettleing. Something you appear to dispise. Whilst I agree the road was closed anyway it was closed for a march, not a stand. Remaining where they were was causing people to get injured with the incoming missiles. If the group in the video had moved, they wouldn't have been on the receiving end of what they were. You complain that police assault people for "not doing as they wanted" but that's Law and Order I'm afraid. Action vs consequence. In a protest such as this with such raw emotion the police don't have time to explain the reasoning, just tell people what they want doing. If thats not carried put there will be a consequence.[/p][/quote]Anti-fascists, but I'll let you off. Anyway, kettling is completely surrounding and containing a group of people for a long time, not standing in the road for a couple of minutes. I think at the end of the day, in my opinion and many others I have spoken to, the police reaction was far too severe for what was happening. They could have easily broken the line of antis or used other tactics, instead they decided to assault them with batons. This raised tensions and made people more violent and reactionary later on, which in my eyes isn't very professional. The act of not giving reason and then suddenly attacking non-violent protesters smacks of the actions of a police state. Many people at the front of the blockade had no idea the police were going to attack them and I doubt they would have moved there if they knew what was going to happen. Anyway, I've wasted far too much time on this thread so I shall leave you all to your day. Solidarity to UAF and the antis, but most of all lets keep these racist thugs out of our city! wharrgarbl
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4:37pm Tue 24 Apr 12

LawrenceG says...

UppityPrimate wrote:
much as the EDL, BNP, MFE et al disgust me, i can't help but feel that the reason they come here to march is because they know they will get a reaction. they're mostly protesting against ethnic minorities and islam. brighton, and i use london, reading, bracknell, and slough to base this comparison on, having lived in the above, is VERY white and predominantly either non religious, or christian. therefore their ONLY reason for coming here is that there's a lot of left-leaning liberals who will be disgusted by their actions and they'll get the reaction they want. i can't help but feel that if they marched, unhindered, down an empty street with not a soul looking or speaking to them, and the pubs continued to refuse to serve them, they'd probably get bored very shortly. the problem is when we treat half-aked ideas like these as if they're a:credible and b:dangerous. if you ask me, the single best weapon against the EDL IS the EDL. the BNP was dangerous because it shied away from the contentious issues in it's agenda, and focused on spin and half-truths to sway those who were on the fence either through apathy, or a lack of knowledge. just by existing, the EDL has irreparably damaged the hold the BNP had, by throwing those issues and that kind of behaviour back into the public eye. i also strongly believe that overall, the tide has turned. in the early stages of the recession, it was easier to point the finger at a grassroots level at immigrants, and 'forrins' but once the truth came to light, and we saw the people shaftin us were actually well-off, english born bred and educated at oxford, and when the smoke cleared from last summer's riots and the picture emerged of equal blame on young, 'ethnically' british people as on second and third gen migrants, and the footage emerged of groups of muslim and sikh men out peacefully protecting their communities.. a lot of credibility was lost for right-wing views in that time.
Other than a chance to spend the rest of the day on the beach, I agree the only reason MfE chooses Brighton year after year is as a provocative wind-up.
I would love to agree that by simply ignoring them they and their dodgy mates will just disappear but I don't. In the 70's and 80's the National Front, BNP and British Movement's growth were successfully restricted by grassroots activists organising politically AND on the streets. The tide has 'not turned' now. The French National Front have just won 20% of votes. Racial attacks in this country are not decreasing. In Portsmouth last year (home of the MfE organiser, ex-football hooligan and EDL regional organiser Dave Smeeton) they went up 11% in 2011. The EDL, who recently sent a group to Holland to strengthen links with European far-right groups, are holding a national demo in Luton in a couple of weeks.
I don't think now is the time to let them march unhindered anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]UppityPrimate[/bold] wrote: much as the EDL, BNP, MFE et al disgust me, i can't help but feel that the reason they come here to march is because they know they will get a reaction. they're mostly protesting against ethnic minorities and islam. brighton, and i use london, reading, bracknell, and slough to base this comparison on, having lived in the above, is VERY white and predominantly either non religious, or christian. therefore their ONLY reason for coming here is that there's a lot of left-leaning liberals who will be disgusted by their actions and they'll get the reaction they want. i can't help but feel that if they marched, unhindered, down an empty street with not a soul looking or speaking to them, and the pubs continued to refuse to serve them, they'd probably get bored very shortly. the problem is when we treat half-aked ideas like these as if they're a:credible and b:dangerous. if you ask me, the single best weapon against the EDL IS the EDL. the BNP was dangerous because it shied away from the contentious issues in it's agenda, and focused on spin and half-truths to sway those who were on the fence either through apathy, or a lack of knowledge. just by existing, the EDL has irreparably damaged the hold the BNP had, by throwing those issues and that kind of behaviour back into the public eye. i also strongly believe that overall, the tide has turned. in the early stages of the recession, it was easier to point the finger at a grassroots level at immigrants, and 'forrins' but once the truth came to light, and we saw the people shaftin us were actually well-off, english born bred and educated at oxford, and when the smoke cleared from last summer's riots and the picture emerged of equal blame on young, 'ethnically' british people as on second and third gen migrants, and the footage emerged of groups of muslim and sikh men out peacefully protecting their communities.. a lot of credibility was lost for right-wing views in that time.[/p][/quote]Other than a chance to spend the rest of the day on the beach, I agree the only reason MfE chooses Brighton year after year is as a provocative wind-up. I would love to agree that by simply ignoring them they and their dodgy mates will just disappear but I don't. In the 70's and 80's the National Front, BNP and British Movement's growth were successfully restricted by grassroots activists organising politically AND on the streets. The tide has 'not turned' now. The French National Front have just won 20% of votes. Racial attacks in this country are not decreasing. In Portsmouth last year (home of the MfE organiser, ex-football hooligan and EDL regional organiser Dave Smeeton) they went up 11% in 2011. The EDL, who recently sent a group to Holland to strengthen links with European far-right groups, are holding a national demo in Luton in a couple of weeks. I don't think now is the time to let them march unhindered anywhere. LawrenceG
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5:10pm Tue 24 Apr 12

tinkle34 says...

The police were well within there rights if you were to look through some of the videos you see horses being pinched...crates being thrown in to the March for England..Hooligans running about in black with there faces covered up attacking the police.Really the March for England done everything by the book...did the other group NO.If you believe in what you were doing was right & legal you would have shown your faces regardless wether your face was put on police data,instead you hid behind your black masks like cowards.No doubt you will be back on the queens jubilee for another protest & cause disruption to Brighton but this time at least people will not be pointing the finger at us......Brighton born & bred
The police were well within there rights if you were to look through some of the videos you see horses being pinched...crates being thrown in to the March for England..Hooligans running about in black with there faces covered up attacking the police.Really the March for England done everything by the book...did the other group NO.If you believe in what you were doing was right & legal you would have shown your faces regardless wether your face was put on police data,instead you hid behind your black masks like cowards.No doubt you will be back on the queens jubilee for another protest & cause disruption to Brighton but this time at least people will not be pointing the finger at us......Brighton born & bred tinkle34
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5:48pm Tue 24 Apr 12

le mez says...

Went down to keep an eye on my pal's son and friends who wanted to have a go at the 'fascists'. Rather unfortunate to find out it was those in the 'anti' crowd who were acting like the fascists. Sure, I reckon there were a few unsavoury types in the MFE mob but y'know, so has my local boozer. I just didn't get the impression I was witnessing some kind of NF or BNP march. Just found the reaction to them hysterical and over the top. End of the day it was a legitimate protest and by all accounts they co-operated fully with the police so obstructing the route, and then starting to lob allsorts at the law and other marchers, not really surprised the batons came out. Been much better to let them mooch down to Victoria Gardens, have their time, yell 'England' quite a lot and then mooch back to the station. Job done. Now it will just escalate. Less kids next time and probably loads of hooligans to have a go at either side Great for Brighton eh? As for Lucas, one term I hope. Admire her for her stance on animal welfare (wonder what she thought of the police horses getting grief?) but I'm afraid that in the main, she always strikes me as a student who has never grown up.
Went down to keep an eye on my pal's son and friends who wanted to have a go at the 'fascists'. Rather unfortunate to find out it was those in the 'anti' crowd who were acting like the fascists. Sure, I reckon there were a few unsavoury types in the MFE mob but y'know, so has my local boozer. I just didn't get the impression I was witnessing some kind of NF or BNP march. Just found the reaction to them hysterical and over the top. End of the day it was a legitimate protest and by all accounts they co-operated fully with the police so obstructing the route, and then starting to lob allsorts at the law and other marchers, not really surprised the batons came out. Been much better to let them mooch down to Victoria Gardens, have their time, yell 'England' quite a lot and then mooch back to the station. Job done. Now it will just escalate. Less kids next time and probably loads of hooligans to have a go at either side Great for Brighton eh? As for Lucas, one term I hope. Admire her for her stance on animal welfare (wonder what she thought of the police horses getting grief?) but I'm afraid that in the main, she always strikes me as a student who has never grown up. le mez
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6:08pm Tue 24 Apr 12

All 9 of me says...

AmboGuy wrote:
Problem is the police are damned is they do and damned if they don't. They try to control the marchers and they're big bullies and get complained about or they stand back and people ask why they didn't do more and they get complained about. I personally see nothing wrong with giving a few mfe or uaf thugs a bit of a slap!!
yesterday, in the other thread, you were contradicting this post with your stance on violence, do make your mind up.
[quote][p][bold]AmboGuy[/bold] wrote: Problem is the police are damned is they do and damned if they don't. They try to control the marchers and they're big bullies and get complained about or they stand back and people ask why they didn't do more and they get complained about. I personally see nothing wrong with giving a few mfe or uaf thugs a bit of a slap!![/p][/quote]yesterday, in the other thread, you were contradicting this post with your stance on violence, do make your mind up. All 9 of me
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6:45pm Tue 24 Apr 12

JHunty says...

Why were there loads of aunties at the demo?
Why were there loads of aunties at the demo? JHunty
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7:04pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Jimmbob says...

Gas them, Cosh them and lock them up, they are all just trouble makers, in my opinion the police need to get a lot harder with the scumbag criminals to stop more joining their ranks, I bet most (not all) are unemployed or on disability allowance due to some fake illness!
Gas them, Cosh them and lock them up, they are all just trouble makers, in my opinion the police need to get a lot harder with the scumbag criminals to stop more joining their ranks, I bet most (not all) are unemployed or on disability allowance due to some fake illness! Jimmbob
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7:30pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Fight Back says...

wharrgarbl wrote:
I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages.

The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are.

Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.
What an idiotic post ! So most of the "counter-demonstrato
rs" were too cowardly to stand up and be counted ? Absolute cowards !!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]wharrgarbl[/bold] wrote: I would like to direct anyone who says the UAF were being violent to the video, where you can clearly see people simply standing there trying to halt the march. Their reward? A baton to the head by thug police officers who are trying to protect a group of racist fascists, allowing them to continue marching down the street to spew their vile messages. The UAF and antis wear masks because otherwise they'll end up on police databases for no reason. They wear black to create anonymity and protect their identity. They were calling the MFE scum because that's what they are. Also, who brings a 10 year old to a march associated with racism and violence? Ridiculous.[/p][/quote]What an idiotic post ! So most of the "counter-demonstrato rs" were too cowardly to stand up and be counted ? Absolute cowards !!!!!!!!!!! Fight Back
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7:41pm Tue 24 Apr 12

gaz scott says...

All 9 of me wrote:
AmboGuy wrote:
Problem is the police are damned is they do and damned if they don't. They try to control the marchers and they're big bullies and get complained about or they stand back and people ask why they didn't do more and they get complained about. I personally see nothing wrong with giving a few mfe or uaf thugs a bit of a slap!!
yesterday, in the other thread, you were contradicting this post with your stance on violence, do make your mind up.
Surely you don't expect AmboGuy to be consistent? He'll say whatever it takes!

And anyone who disagrees is a waster and should go back to the "Cowley Club" from where absolutely everyone who disagrees with the reactionary and narrow-minded views posted here must of course be based.

He needs to think in Stereotypes - makes it easier for him to get by.
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AmboGuy[/bold] wrote: Problem is the police are damned is they do and damned if they don't. They try to control the marchers and they're big bullies and get complained about or they stand back and people ask why they didn't do more and they get complained about. I personally see nothing wrong with giving a few mfe or uaf thugs a bit of a slap!![/p][/quote]yesterday, in the other thread, you were contradicting this post with your stance on violence, do make your mind up.[/p][/quote]Surely you don't expect AmboGuy to be consistent? He'll say whatever it takes! And anyone who disagrees is a waster and should go back to the "Cowley Club" from where absolutely everyone who disagrees with the reactionary and narrow-minded views posted here must of course be based. He needs to think in Stereotypes - makes it easier for him to get by. gaz scott
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7:57pm Tue 24 Apr 12

god does not exist says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton.
All it brings is trouble.
What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.
The Police presence is not because of the EDL or The MFE it's because of the trouble you Lefties cause if there was no Police presence you would not be so brave, time and time again you hide behind a police line and then complain when the police get fed up with you. Well again you look like Idiots and we get the press coverage, oh and see you soon, I mean real soon
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton. All it brings is trouble. What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.[/p][/quote]The Police presence is not because of the EDL or The MFE it's because of the trouble you Lefties cause if there was no Police presence you would not be so brave, time and time again you hide behind a police line and then complain when the police get fed up with you. Well again you look like Idiots and we get the press coverage, oh and see you soon, I mean real soon god does not exist
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7:57pm Tue 24 Apr 12

god does not exist says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton.
All it brings is trouble.
What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.
The Police presence is not because of the EDL or The MFE it's because of the trouble you Lefties cause if there was no Police presence you would not be so brave, time and time again you hide behind a police line and then complain when the police get fed up with you. Well again you look like Idiots and we get the press coverage, oh and see you soon, I mean real soon
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: why is this march allowed its not locals or anything to do with brighton. All it brings is trouble. What exactly is the point your not welcome in Brighton everytime you turn up a massive police presence has to be put on becaus your a bunch of wannabe nazis.[/p][/quote]The Police presence is not because of the EDL or The MFE it's because of the trouble you Lefties cause if there was no Police presence you would not be so brave, time and time again you hide behind a police line and then complain when the police get fed up with you. Well again you look like Idiots and we get the press coverage, oh and see you soon, I mean real soon god does not exist
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9:06pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Keith Williamson says...

The 'Anti'-Fascists throw bottles at the Patriots of March For England, police and police horses, then Caroline Lucas complains when the Police baton charge the rioters. What planet is she living on?! Vote her out of office at the next General Election!
The 'Anti'-Fascists throw bottles at the Patriots of March For England, police and police horses, then Caroline Lucas complains when the Police baton charge the rioters. What planet is she living on?! Vote her out of office at the next General Election! Keith Williamson
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9:13pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Keith Williamson says...

As the article states a ten year old girl on the St George's Day Parade by MFE, was hit on the head by the thugs of 'Anti'-Fascism. They are cowards.
As the article states a ten year old girl on the St George's Day Parade by MFE, was hit on the head by the thugs of 'Anti'-Fascism. They are cowards. Keith Williamson
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9:29pm Tue 24 Apr 12

LillieLangtry says...

Aw diddums, did the nasty people get hurt. Oh well never mind eh since they were thrusting glass bottles and threatening rape to young girls, chucking urine at kids yes I'm TALKING ABOUT YOU UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM. The most rabid bunch of fascists that ever walked the planet despite their name. The EDL were not there and ALL the violence was caused by the UAF, a bunch of arrogant, thick headed thugs of whom David Cameron is a founding signatory. LOOK ON THEIR WEBSITE YOU WILL SEE HIS NAME. Thugs, heathens and brain deads.
Aw diddums, did the nasty people get hurt. Oh well never mind eh since they were thrusting glass bottles and threatening rape to young girls, chucking urine at kids yes I'm TALKING ABOUT YOU UNITE AGAINST FREEDOM. The most rabid bunch of fascists that ever walked the planet despite their name. The EDL were not there and ALL the violence was caused by the UAF, a bunch of arrogant, thick headed thugs of whom David Cameron is a founding signatory. LOOK ON THEIR WEBSITE YOU WILL SEE HIS NAME. Thugs, heathens and brain deads. LillieLangtry
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9:34pm Tue 24 Apr 12

LillieLangtry says...

just think about it. A bunch of men, women and children celebrating their saint's day on a legitimate march pre arranged with the police IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Where are these Uaf counter yobs on St Patrick's Day or St David's Day. Do they threaten the Scots and the Welsh? NO because they are a bunch of rabid, fascist thugs hell bent on causing trouble. They are racist self hating little bigots, unhinged, stupid and criminally motivated and it's time the press started exposing them for what they are. The rabid racist underbelly of the very lowest society.
just think about it. A bunch of men, women and children celebrating their saint's day on a legitimate march pre arranged with the police IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Where are these Uaf counter yobs on St Patrick's Day or St David's Day. Do they threaten the Scots and the Welsh? NO because they are a bunch of rabid, fascist thugs hell bent on causing trouble. They are racist self hating little bigots, unhinged, stupid and criminally motivated and it's time the press started exposing them for what they are. The rabid racist underbelly of the very lowest society. LillieLangtry
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9:52pm Tue 24 Apr 12

HJarrs says...

LillieLangtry wrote:
just think about it. A bunch of men, women and children celebrating their saint's day on a legitimate march pre arranged with the police IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Where are these Uaf counter yobs on St Patrick's Day or St David's Day. Do they threaten the Scots and the Welsh? NO because they are a bunch of rabid, fascist thugs hell bent on causing trouble. They are racist self hating little bigots, unhinged, stupid and criminally motivated and it's time the press started exposing them for what they are. The rabid racist underbelly of the very lowest society.
Not convinced, now wipe the foam from your mouth!

Next time they should ban anyone from marching and demonstrating that has a criminal record. That will be the end of that!
[quote][p][bold]LillieLangtry[/bold] wrote: just think about it. A bunch of men, women and children celebrating their saint's day on a legitimate march pre arranged with the police IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Where are these Uaf counter yobs on St Patrick's Day or St David's Day. Do they threaten the Scots and the Welsh? NO because they are a bunch of rabid, fascist thugs hell bent on causing trouble. They are racist self hating little bigots, unhinged, stupid and criminally motivated and it's time the press started exposing them for what they are. The rabid racist underbelly of the very lowest society.[/p][/quote]Not convinced, now wipe the foam from your mouth! Next time they should ban anyone from marching and demonstrating that has a criminal record. That will be the end of that! HJarrs
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9:59pm Tue 24 Apr 12

World's Gone Mad says...

And its people like you that ruin it for everyone else. Stay at home and stop causing trouble
And its people like you that ruin it for everyone else. Stay at home and stop causing trouble World's Gone Mad
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10:29pm Tue 24 Apr 12

thommy says...

just an impartial observation:The group of right wing leaning people marching in town at the weekend are always referred to as "Fascists and rascists"by their critics. No idea whether that is accurate or not. Their critics, being a collection of Anarchists, Socialist worker members, Green Marxists, Smash EDO activists, miscellaneous communists/Labourite
s refer to themselves rather sanctimoniously as "Anti fascists". A bit of a negative title - what about telling people what they actually stand for, rather than what they dislike. Perhaps "Far left rabble" would be a more appropriate" title after that disgraceful near riot on the streets.
just an impartial observation:The group of right wing leaning people marching in town at the weekend are always referred to as "Fascists and rascists"by their critics. No idea whether that is accurate or not. Their critics, being a collection of Anarchists, Socialist worker members, Green Marxists, Smash EDO activists, miscellaneous communists/Labourite s refer to themselves rather sanctimoniously as "Anti fascists". A bit of a negative title - what about telling people what they actually stand for, rather than what they dislike. Perhaps "Far left rabble" would be a more appropriate" title after that disgraceful near riot on the streets. thommy
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11:50pm Tue 24 Apr 12

Robbadob says...

When a march is heavily promoted on Casuals United blog- which also advertises edl demos and whose comments include racism, then applying this label to the March for England seems fair.
Comments since then have included many threats to residents of Brighton on the assumption that anyone who disagrees must be a commie traitor.
Their critics include many who aren't left in any sense just disagree with the decision to allow a provocative parade through this city.
On the day the police had no reports of injuries to marchers and decided that only three people deserved arrest, presumably others only committed minor public order offences in their view.
Had the March for England never resulted in racist and homophobic abuse hurled at passers by it would never have attracted so much attention-noone ever rioted at a morris dance
When a march is heavily promoted on Casuals United blog- which also advertises edl demos and whose comments include racism, then applying this label to the March for England seems fair. Comments since then have included many threats to residents of Brighton on the assumption that anyone who disagrees must be a commie traitor. Their critics include many who aren't left in any sense just disagree with the decision to allow a provocative parade through this city. On the day the police had no reports of injuries to marchers and decided that only three people deserved arrest, presumably others only committed minor public order offences in their view. Had the March for England never resulted in racist and homophobic abuse hurled at passers by it would never have attracted so much attention-noone ever rioted at a morris dance Robbadob
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12:09am Wed 25 Apr 12

Robbadob says...

Two other comments from Casuals United blog about the March for England-Any of you left wing c***s reading this,you are f***ed now.
And- next time we need 50 or 100 hard bastards.
Odd family day out

Apparently anyone who disagrees with their point of view is a traitor and Rupert Murdoch is left-wing
Two other comments from Casuals United blog about the March for England-Any of you left wing c***s reading this,you are f***ed now. And- next time we need 50 or 100 hard bastards. Odd family day out Apparently anyone who disagrees with their point of view is a traitor and Rupert Murdoch is left-wing Robbadob
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2:32am Wed 25 Apr 12

Robbadob says...

Family day out then
Oh that's it, people either agree with you or they are a target.
Sounds a bit like fundamentalism and the viewpoint of mass murderer Anders Breivik.
Family day out then Oh that's it, people either agree with you or they are a target. Sounds a bit like fundamentalism and the viewpoint of mass murderer Anders Breivik. Robbadob
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2:55am Wed 25 Apr 12

Robbadob says...

So you intend to track down and exact bloody carnage on all those who opposed the march?
How and who are you all so determined not to surrender to?
Marxists? Really? It's not the seventies but then again your version of far left includes the Daily Mail
So you intend to track down and exact bloody carnage on all those who opposed the march? How and who are you all so determined not to surrender to? Marxists? Really? It's not the seventies but then again your version of far left includes the Daily Mail Robbadob
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10:56am Wed 25 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

You just gotta love 'em! All these rabid screeches of scum, fascist, threats and counter threats.

Pathetic really, much like the posturing of young bucks ... too immature to take part in the rutting season and too hyped to realise it ;)
You just gotta love 'em! All these rabid screeches of scum, fascist, threats and counter threats. Pathetic really, much like the posturing of young bucks ... too immature to take part in the rutting season and too hyped to realise it ;) mimseycal
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11:08am Wed 25 Apr 12

gaz scott says...

mimseycal wrote:
You just gotta love 'em! All these rabid screeches of scum, fascist, threats and counter threats.

Pathetic really, much like the posturing of young bucks ... too immature to take part in the rutting season and too hyped to realise it ;)
I haven't seen any counter threats only threats from the EDL. But that said any threats from either side on public discussion boards are not acceptable and should be removed.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: You just gotta love 'em! All these rabid screeches of scum, fascist, threats and counter threats. Pathetic really, much like the posturing of young bucks ... too immature to take part in the rutting season and too hyped to realise it ;)[/p][/quote]I haven't seen any counter threats only threats from the EDL. But that said any threats from either side on public discussion boards are not acceptable and should be removed. gaz scott
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9:17am Thu 26 Apr 12

Sue De Nimes says...

tinkle34 wrote:
In my eyes the police done a good job.Counter protesters against the march were charging at these policeman calling them scum throwing whatever they could into the march for England...Im quite willing to support the police & there actions as i was there!!!!
Indeed.

I disagree with the EDL but I agree with their right to march just like any other legal organisation.

Caroline Lucas shows herself up to be an undemocratic suppressor of free speech.

I personally think the EDL should be looked at in more detail. I don't know whether they should be banned or not but as things stand they are legal.
[quote][p][bold]tinkle34[/bold] wrote: In my eyes the police done a good job.Counter protesters against the march were charging at these policeman calling them scum throwing whatever they could into the march for England...Im quite willing to support the police & there actions as i was there!!!![/p][/quote]Indeed. I disagree with the EDL but I agree with their right to march just like any other legal organisation. Caroline Lucas shows herself up to be an undemocratic suppressor of free speech. I personally think the EDL should be looked at in more detail. I don't know whether they should be banned or not but as things stand they are legal. Sue De Nimes
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1:14am Fri 27 Apr 12

worthing saint says...

Wow what a bunch of Dimwits.
Let’s just clear a few things up, for the more stupid among you.
This was not a protest march, it was a march, to remind people of this great country, the country we came from.
It was a march for the English people, to celebrate their ancestral roots, Right back to ST George, our patron saint.
This was a march to celebrate our English heritage, so I find it incredulous, that we have comments from English people, whom have ferried family and friends to this march to PROTEST against it.
When will these so called anti fascists realise to be patriotic, doesn’t mean we are fascist, nazi or right wing, we are simply proud of our heritage and culture. I deplore violence of any kind, and to see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting, I hope, but I don’t hold out much hope, that these people are ashamed of their actions.
I look forward to our Queens jubilee, so once again this great country, can be brought together in celebration, as it was with the recent royal wedding, I was so happy to sit in front of the television, with my daughters and see the out pouring of patriotic emotion, may this not be abused, as has our love for our country.
Wow what a bunch of Dimwits. Let’s just clear a few things up, for the more stupid among you. This was not a protest march, it was a march, to remind people of this great country, the country we came from. It was a march for the English people, to celebrate their ancestral roots, Right back to ST George, our patron saint. This was a march to celebrate our English heritage, so I find it incredulous, that we have comments from English people, whom have ferried family and friends to this march to PROTEST against it. When will these so called anti fascists realise to be patriotic, doesn’t mean we are fascist, nazi or right wing, we are simply proud of our heritage and culture. I deplore violence of any kind, and to see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting, I hope, but I don’t hold out much hope, that these people are ashamed of their actions. I look forward to our Queens jubilee, so once again this great country, can be brought together in celebration, as it was with the recent royal wedding, I was so happy to sit in front of the television, with my daughters and see the out pouring of patriotic emotion, may this not be abused, as has our love for our country. worthing saint
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11:54am Fri 27 Apr 12

gaz scott says...

worthing saint wrote:
Wow what a bunch of Dimwits.
Let’s just clear a few things up, for the more stupid among you.
This was not a protest march, it was a march, to remind people of this great country, the country we came from.
It was a march for the English people, to celebrate their ancestral roots, Right back to ST George, our patron saint.
This was a march to celebrate our English heritage, so I find it incredulous, that we have comments from English people, whom have ferried family and friends to this march to PROTEST against it.
When will these so called anti fascists realise to be patriotic, doesn’t mean we are fascist, nazi or right wing, we are simply proud of our heritage and culture. I deplore violence of any kind, and to see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting, I hope, but I don’t hold out much hope, that these people are ashamed of their actions.
I look forward to our Queens jubilee, so once again this great country, can be brought together in celebration, as it was with the recent royal wedding, I was so happy to sit in front of the television, with my daughters and see the out pouring of patriotic emotion, may this not be abused, as has our love for our country.
"see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting"

I agree with you there. Please watch the footage below of the EDL throwing various objects at passers-by right at the start of the march. As you say it is disgusting.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=JcJlrhcQQ
uM
[quote][p][bold]worthing saint[/bold] wrote: Wow what a bunch of Dimwits. Let’s just clear a few things up, for the more stupid among you. This was not a protest march, it was a march, to remind people of this great country, the country we came from. It was a march for the English people, to celebrate their ancestral roots, Right back to ST George, our patron saint. This was a march to celebrate our English heritage, so I find it incredulous, that we have comments from English people, whom have ferried family and friends to this march to PROTEST against it. When will these so called anti fascists realise to be patriotic, doesn’t mean we are fascist, nazi or right wing, we are simply proud of our heritage and culture. I deplore violence of any kind, and to see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting, I hope, but I don’t hold out much hope, that these people are ashamed of their actions. I look forward to our Queens jubilee, so once again this great country, can be brought together in celebration, as it was with the recent royal wedding, I was so happy to sit in front of the television, with my daughters and see the out pouring of patriotic emotion, may this not be abused, as has our love for our country.[/p][/quote]"see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting" I agree with you there. Please watch the footage below of the EDL throwing various objects at passers-by right at the start of the march. As you say it is disgusting. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=JcJlrhcQQ uM gaz scott
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1:04am Sat 28 Apr 12

worthing saint says...

gaz scott wrote:
worthing saint wrote:
Wow what a bunch of Dimwits.
Let’s just clear a few things up, for the more stupid among you.
This was not a protest march, it was a march, to remind people of this great country, the country we came from.
It was a march for the English people, to celebrate their ancestral roots, Right back to ST George, our patron saint.
This was a march to celebrate our English heritage, so I find it incredulous, that we have comments from English people, whom have ferried family and friends to this march to PROTEST against it.
When will these so called anti fascists realise to be patriotic, doesn’t mean we are fascist, nazi or right wing, we are simply proud of our heritage and culture. I deplore violence of any kind, and to see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting, I hope, but I don’t hold out much hope, that these people are ashamed of their actions.
I look forward to our Queens jubilee, so once again this great country, can be brought together in celebration, as it was with the recent royal wedding, I was so happy to sit in front of the television, with my daughters and see the out pouring of patriotic emotion, may this not be abused, as has our love for our country.
"see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting"

I agree with you there. Please watch the footage below of the EDL throwing various objects at passers-by right at the start of the march. As you say it is disgusting.

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=JcJlrhcQQ

uM
Please understand,
I am not in any way defending the edl, If they were there, there were there for the wrong reasons.
As stated this was a march to celebrate our English heritage, as English men, women and children. It was NOT political (although I accept some there were).
Having been to the St Patricks day parade in New York, and I must say, they know how to have fun, But then the anti fascists don’t take offence to Irish people celebrating St Patricks day, It beggars belief that we cannot do the same in our own country, on our patron St day.
If I walk down the street, with our national flag, I am automatically labelled a racist/fascist, Unless England are playing, at which point, I am just a football hooligan.
I remember the street parties, for the Queens silver jubilee. Just when did it become wrong to be patriotic. When did we become nazi’s , when did we become racist, just when did we lose our national pride.
[quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worthing saint[/bold] wrote: Wow what a bunch of Dimwits. Let’s just clear a few things up, for the more stupid among you. This was not a protest march, it was a march, to remind people of this great country, the country we came from. It was a march for the English people, to celebrate their ancestral roots, Right back to ST George, our patron saint. This was a march to celebrate our English heritage, so I find it incredulous, that we have comments from English people, whom have ferried family and friends to this march to PROTEST against it. When will these so called anti fascists realise to be patriotic, doesn’t mean we are fascist, nazi or right wing, we are simply proud of our heritage and culture. I deplore violence of any kind, and to see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting, I hope, but I don’t hold out much hope, that these people are ashamed of their actions. I look forward to our Queens jubilee, so once again this great country, can be brought together in celebration, as it was with the recent royal wedding, I was so happy to sit in front of the television, with my daughters and see the out pouring of patriotic emotion, may this not be abused, as has our love for our country.[/p][/quote]"see grown men throwing bottles and assorted items at a group that includes children was disgusting" I agree with you there. Please watch the footage below of the EDL throwing various objects at passers-by right at the start of the march. As you say it is disgusting. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=JcJlrhcQQ uM[/p][/quote]Please understand, I am not in any way defending the edl, If they were there, there were there for the wrong reasons. As stated this was a march to celebrate our English heritage, as English men, women and children. It was NOT political (although I accept some there were). Having been to the St Patricks day parade in New York, and I must say, they know how to have fun, But then the anti fascists don’t take offence to Irish people celebrating St Patricks day, It beggars belief that we cannot do the same in our own country, on our patron St day. If I walk down the street, with our national flag, I am automatically labelled a racist/fascist, Unless England are playing, at which point, I am just a football hooligan. I remember the street parties, for the Queens silver jubilee. Just when did it become wrong to be patriotic. When did we become nazi’s , when did we become racist, just when did we lose our national pride. worthing saint
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5:50am Sat 28 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

Nowt wrong with being patriotic, however when British White Nationalists appropriated the symbols of patriotism to justify their supremacist, exclusive views, those symbols became tainted with their racial paranoia.
Nowt wrong with being patriotic, however when British White Nationalists appropriated the symbols of patriotism to justify their supremacist, exclusive views, those symbols became tainted with their racial paranoia. mimseycal
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11:37pm Sat 28 Apr 12

worthing saint says...

mimseycal wrote:
Nowt wrong with being patriotic, however when British White Nationalists appropriated the symbols of patriotism to justify their supremacist, exclusive views, those symbols became tainted with their racial paranoia.
Don't you think that is what is wrong today.
Every time someone produces an England or Union flag we have this debate as to how racist or fascist they are.
In my opinion, and though what I have seen with my own eyes, the loudest complaints, come from Marxist, communist's, and as such would love to see the end of the British way of life, as a Christian democracy.
We need to stop vilifying anyone who would fly OUR national flag, because not all who fly OUR flag come from the far right.
If, we were American, we could fly our flag as patriots, without complaint. I personally fly the Union flag from the front of my home every day, without exception, I am Not a nazi, racist or fascist.
So please think about what you are saying, within the context of your post, You have just labelled anyone who would dare fly OUR countries flag, as a white Supremacist.
I understand the whole liberal ethos, of our political system, and as such they would prefer we live under the unifying banner of the EU.
But we are all British within this small island, lets have some respect for those that have died for our freedoms. Regardless of what you have been taught, Not everyone who fly’s our flag is right wing.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Nowt wrong with being patriotic, however when British White Nationalists appropriated the symbols of patriotism to justify their supremacist, exclusive views, those symbols became tainted with their racial paranoia.[/p][/quote]Don't you think that is what is wrong today. Every time someone produces an England or Union flag we have this debate as to how racist or fascist they are. In my opinion, and though what I have seen with my own eyes, the loudest complaints, come from Marxist, communist's, and as such would love to see the end of the British way of life, as a Christian democracy. We need to stop vilifying anyone who would fly OUR national flag, because not all who fly OUR flag come from the far right. If, we were American, we could fly our flag as patriots, without complaint. I personally fly the Union flag from the front of my home every day, without exception, I am Not a nazi, racist or fascist. So please think about what you are saying, within the context of your post, You have just labelled anyone who would dare fly OUR countries flag, as a white Supremacist. I understand the whole liberal ethos, of our political system, and as such they would prefer we live under the unifying banner of the EU. But we are all British within this small island, lets have some respect for those that have died for our freedoms. Regardless of what you have been taught, Not everyone who fly’s our flag is right wing. worthing saint
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11:56pm Sat 28 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

I suggest you read what I posted before you accuse me of labelling everyone who flies the flag as a White Supremacist.

I hold the White Supremacist to account for tainting the flag with their racist paranoia that is true. But I have not stated that everyone who flies the flag is a White Supremacist nor would I.

The more people that will reclaim the flag from White Supremacist Nationalists the better.

However I will suggest that your willingness to read a straightforward statement as the post that you quoted above as an implication that you, by flying the flag, must of necessity be a White Supremacist, says a lot about how set the taint has become.
I suggest you read what I posted before you accuse me of labelling everyone who flies the flag as a White Supremacist. I hold the White Supremacist to account for tainting the flag with their racist paranoia that is true. But I have not stated that everyone who flies the flag is a White Supremacist nor would I. The more people that will reclaim the flag from White Supremacist Nationalists the better. However I will suggest that your willingness to read a straightforward statement as the post that you quoted above as an implication that you, by flying the flag, must of necessity be a White Supremacist, says a lot about how set the taint has become. mimseycal
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1:50am Sun 29 Apr 12

worthing saint says...

The first comment on my post.
"Don't you think that is what is wrong today.
Every time someone produces an England or Union flag we have this debate as to how racist or fascist they are."

My post was to draw attention to the fact we have to have this debate every time.
In truth we seem to be saying the same thing, although we have come to impasse, over semantics.
I apologise to you, for suggesting, you labelled anyone who flies the flag as a white supremacist.
I would also like to say, it is not without reason that a nationalist party would use the national flag.
For too long liberal parties, have shied away from using the national flag, for fear of being called racist. And I also accept, this is something we need to address.
Many organisations, have used the fact that people use our flag, for nationalistic purposes, as a beating stick for anyone in general who fly’s our flag, Again this is something we need to address.
Maybe we could organise, a non political, expression of our national pride, on St georges day. However I think this maybe impossible.
The first comment on my post. "Don't you think that is what is wrong today. Every time someone produces an England or Union flag we have this debate as to how racist or fascist they are." My post was to draw attention to the fact we have to have this debate every time. In truth we seem to be saying the same thing, although we have come to impasse, over semantics. I apologise to you, for suggesting, you labelled anyone who flies the flag as a white supremacist. I would also like to say, it is not without reason that a nationalist party would use the national flag. For too long liberal parties, have shied away from using the national flag, for fear of being called racist. And I also accept, this is something we need to address. Many organisations, have used the fact that people use our flag, for nationalistic purposes, as a beating stick for anyone in general who fly’s our flag, Again this is something we need to address. Maybe we could organise, a non political, expression of our national pride, on St georges day. However I think this maybe impossible. worthing saint
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3:44am Sun 29 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

No reason why it should be impossible to organise a non-sectarian, apolitical expression of national pride.

A neighbour behind my house flies the flag. I have never questioned their political affiliations nor would it occur to me that on the basis of their flying the flag, I have any reason to do so.

It is by actions that you know a woman or man ... actions plural that is and not by a single act alone.
No reason why it should be impossible to organise a non-sectarian, apolitical expression of national pride. A neighbour behind my house flies the flag. I have never questioned their political affiliations nor would it occur to me that on the basis of their flying the flag, I have any reason to do so. It is by actions that you know a woman or man ... actions plural that is and not by a single act alone. mimseycal
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2:27am Mon 30 Apr 12

worthing saint says...

Much as I would love to agree with you, If, say for example, in your local elections, on the 3rd may.
someone in your area stood as a (for example) A BNP candidate, just how much would you consider the neighbour, might be BNP, just because he fly's the union flag.
I know I am playing devils advocate, but in truth if you don't really know your neighbour, then you must by proxy, consider the fact he is right wing.
It is a silly and never ending argument. And one we could well do without.
I am old enough to remember, the queens silver jubilee, I remember the party, that I attended, as a child.
Unfortunately, I cant see, the youth of today looking back in 20 years time, with the sort of pride and reverence, that I have in my heart.
And that in itself, leads to the sort of discussions we are having here today.
I would class myself as a royalist, patriot and nationalist.
within the context of these discussions, that would label me as, a nazi,racist,fascist. I also, fly the union flag, everyday. from the front of my home.
I would love for my neighbours, to think of me as just a patriot, but I have been called fascist and racist. The true meaning of patriot, is lost in today’s liberal society.
Much as I would love to agree with you, If, say for example, in your local elections, on the 3rd may. someone in your area stood as a (for example) A BNP candidate, just how much would you consider the neighbour, might be BNP, just because he fly's the union flag. I know I am playing devils advocate, but in truth if you don't really know your neighbour, then you must by proxy, consider the fact he is right wing. It is a silly and never ending argument. And one we could well do without. I am old enough to remember, the queens silver jubilee, I remember the party, that I attended, as a child. Unfortunately, I cant see, the youth of today looking back in 20 years time, with the sort of pride and reverence, that I have in my heart. And that in itself, leads to the sort of discussions we are having here today. I would class myself as a royalist, patriot and nationalist. within the context of these discussions, that would label me as, a nazi,racist,fascist. I also, fly the union flag, everyday. from the front of my home. I would love for my neighbours, to think of me as just a patriot, but I have been called fascist and racist. The true meaning of patriot, is lost in today’s liberal society. worthing saint
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8:01am Mon 30 Apr 12

mimseycal says...

Well, there you go ... if people are willing to accede the flag to the Supremacists.

When I believe in something, I will stand by it. And sometimes that means that I will have to act despite the fact that I would rather not.

If you don't like the fact that the flag is tainted by White Supremacist Nationalism, do something to cleanse it from the taint instead of merely objecting to the association.
Well, there you go ... if people are willing to accede the flag to the Supremacists. When I believe in something, I will stand by it. And sometimes that means that I will have to act despite the fact that I would rather not. If you don't like the fact that the flag is tainted by White Supremacist Nationalism, do something to cleanse it from the taint instead of merely objecting to the association. mimseycal
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12:25pm Mon 30 Apr 12

voiceofthescoombe says...

If this was an innocent march celebrating englishness?

Howcome its talked about on casuals united a football hooligan website and various racist websites?
If this was an innocent march celebrating englishness? Howcome its talked about on casuals united a football hooligan website and various racist websites? voiceofthescoombe
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12:55pm Wed 2 May 12

scooter boy says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
If this was an innocent march celebrating englishness?

Howcome its talked about on casuals united a football hooligan website and various racist websites?
Because patriots who have nothing to do with us were attacked,worse,the thugs who attacked the MARCH (not demo)also attacked women and children,what did you think the reaction would be ?

I find it strange that all the left wing fascists on here keep saying that Brighton is "our town and you are not welcome",if i were to say the same about people coming into MY country i would get called a fascist and racist,still on a local level it's all good to make a statement like that ????

I'm the son of an Irishman,bloody proud of it and you scumbags would never dream of attacking a Paddies day parade.MFE are nothing to do with the EDL,i should know as i am a member of the EDL !

What will you thugs of the left do next,attack the next cub scouts and army cadets marches if they have the cheek to show our nations flag ?

You middle class lefty tw*ats attack anything and anyone at the drop of a hat just for having a different point of view,you are moral cowards,now it seems that not only do you support paedophiles,as you did in Liverpool,lent your support to terrorist supporters,now you attack women and children.

Do yourselves a favour,stop attacking all and sundry for no reason,find some REAL racist and fascist groups to take on(they are out there)and leave the rest of us NON VIOLENT people to have our own sense of values!!!

BLOODY ANIMALS.
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: If this was an innocent march celebrating englishness? Howcome its talked about on casuals united a football hooligan website and various racist websites?[/p][/quote]Because patriots who have nothing to do with us were attacked,worse,the thugs who attacked the MARCH (not demo)also attacked women and children,what did you think the reaction would be ? I find it strange that all the left wing fascists on here keep saying that Brighton is "our town and you are not welcome",if i were to say the same about people coming into MY country i would get called a fascist and racist,still on a local level it's all good to make a statement like that ???? I'm the son of an Irishman,bloody proud of it and you scumbags would never dream of attacking a Paddies day parade.MFE are nothing to do with the EDL,i should know as i am a member of the EDL ! What will you thugs of the left do next,attack the next cub scouts and army cadets marches if they have the cheek to show our nations flag ? You middle class lefty tw*ats attack anything and anyone at the drop of a hat just for having a different point of view,you are moral cowards,now it seems that not only do you support paedophiles,as you did in Liverpool,lent your support to terrorist supporters,now you attack women and children. Do yourselves a favour,stop attacking all and sundry for no reason,find some REAL racist and fascist groups to take on(they are out there)and leave the rest of us NON VIOLENT people to have our own sense of values!!! BLOODY ANIMALS. scooter boy
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2:55pm Wed 2 May 12

mimseycal says...

Wow ... what a balanced and reasonable post ... not!
Wow ... what a balanced and reasonable post ... not! mimseycal
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4:01pm Wed 2 May 12

scooter boy says...

mimseycal wrote:
Wow ... what a balanced and reasonable post ... not!
Still,more balanced and reasonable than attacking kids and then trying to justify it as you and your ilk have been doing,would you not agree??
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Wow ... what a balanced and reasonable post ... not![/p][/quote]Still,more balanced and reasonable than attacking kids and then trying to justify it as you and your ilk have been doing,would you not agree?? scooter boy
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8:19pm Wed 2 May 12

scooter boy says...

Answer this you hysterical,lying animals!

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=nGm67F4i7
OQ&feature=relmfu
Answer this you hysterical,lying animals! http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=nGm67F4i7 OQ&feature=relmfu scooter boy
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