Anger at new bike racks in Brighton (From The Argus)
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Hanover neighbours' anger at new bike racks
6:30pm Friday 4th May 2012 in News By Tim Ridgway, Local government reporter
Howard Road residents claim Brighton and Hove City Council did not consult them about the bike racks
Cycle racks will replace parking spaces to reduce “fly parking” of bikes.
Brighton and Hove City Council has begun installing the large metal structures in parts of Hanover to stop people blocking pavements with their vehicles.
But some residents, many of whom cycle, are unhappy, claiming they were not consulted on the plans.
Despite a group in Howard Road, Brighton, claiming 19 out of 24 homes oppose the plans, the local authority has continued to install them.
Bev Barstow, of Howard Road, said: “The first we all knew about it was on Friday when the council taped off an area at the end of the street. After canvassing neighbours we spoke to the council but they knocked us back.
“We are not anti-bike racks at all, we just want to be listened to.
“They just dogmatically want to install them without talking to us.”
Two-thirds of households in the road signed a petition calling on the council to halt the work pending consultation.
Howard Road resident Mike Ward said the racks will become a “bicycle graveyard”. He said: “Our voice has been completely strangled. We were not given the opportunity to express our feelings about the cycle racks.”
Fin McInally, who also lives on the road, said: “People are not against bikes or pro-cars but are upset by the fact that this happened without any consultation.
“The council said they went through all the legal process necessary but the fact is that no-one on the street knew that this was going to happen.”
He said if they had known about the proposals earlier residents would have tried to negotiate for fewer cycle spaces.
The council said racks were also being installed in Islingword Place and Milton Road, Brighton.
A spokeswoman said council staff had met the residents’ association chairman but did admit parking would be reduced by 1.8 metres – about one space.
Seventeen residents and ward councillors were written to about the cycle space in Howard Road in January but no objections had been received, she said, adding: “The council has put numerous similar facilities in residential areas throughout the city which have proved extremely popular”
Comments(62)
anubis
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6:53pm Fri 4 May 12
If that's true, then residents need 'sort out' those whom they elected to represent them !!
turtling.
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7:24pm Fri 4 May 12
clearbluesky
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7:38pm Fri 4 May 12
mockduck
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7:43pm Fri 4 May 12
Portsladeresident
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7:48pm Fri 4 May 12
bug eye
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7:56pm Fri 4 May 12
AGT999
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8:23pm Fri 4 May 12
clearbluesky wrote:The majority of people who vote green are most likely students who only have a short commitment to Brighton and, being students, don't pay community charge.
Doesn't Hanover elect Green councillors at every local election? Then complain when the Council has to follow their ideological dogma?
HJarrs
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8:30pm Fri 4 May 12
While I am pleased that we will have more bike parking and I am quite happy that my representatives have pursued this, it doesn't suprise me that the council officers have made a shambles of it. I didn't know this was going ahead either. What was wrong with slipping a few flyers round the ends of the streets affected and maybe something on the lamposts like they do for planning applications?
On the upside, I am pleased that new dipped curbs are being installed down Islingword Road, which should save a lot of small people in prams from suffering wiplash and make it a little more hospitable to those in wheelchairs as well as preventing vans and cars being parked dangerously.
I can't comment on Howard Road, but in Islingword Place it would appear to be reasonably designed and is taking out an area that is currently double yellow lines. With a bit of imagination they may even manged to squeeze a new car parking space in, but that would have been too much to ask.
I hope that the recent consultation with the council regarding allocating an additional few spaces for car club cars bears fruit. I would be quite happy to donate the space outside my house for such a purpose.
taman
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8:34pm Fri 4 May 12
HJarrs
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8:57pm Fri 4 May 12
taman wrote:Dipped curbs...Greens In!
G r e e n s o u t !!!!!
Studenthippytraveller
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9:21pm Fri 4 May 12
I agree that notices should be put on lamposts for this sort of thing and if that wasn't done I think it should have been. I live right in front of it which is probably why I got a letter, but I think nearby houses should be asked their views too. I suppose it's a matter of how far you do this in any direction - looks like the council didn't get that right here.
I didn't object to the work because I thought it was a good idea, especially the dipped curb - just the sort of thing I want my council to spend money on.
1of2mums
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9:31pm Fri 4 May 12
And we learn (right at the end of the article) that the number of 'parking spaces' being lost here is a grand total of one.
Some people really like to have a moan, don't they?
disgruntledHove
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9:54pm Fri 4 May 12
Maxwell's Ghost
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10:17pm Fri 4 May 12
puddingandpi
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10:44pm Fri 4 May 12
You wouldn't get this from Whitehawk or Moulsecoomb.
inadaptado
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10:48pm Fri 4 May 12
george smith
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10:52pm Fri 4 May 12
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:might be a partner, but is a bit of a snob, snooty about Crawley
HJarrs are you a councillor?
wexler53
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10:57pm Fri 4 May 12
So they are not bike racks at all then...
MuammarQaddafi
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12:36am Sat 5 May 12
Hard times
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1:08am Sat 5 May 12
With the outstanding Lewes Road consultation plans and quick problem solving like this I think it was a well place vote.
Plus they annoy petrol-head mail reading nimby's which is always a bonus.
Trollololo
Hard times
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1:08am Sat 5 May 12
Caputo
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3:04am Sat 5 May 12
taman
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8:31am Sat 5 May 12
graham_Seagull
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8:33am Sat 5 May 12
They're bike racks to encourage people to ride bikes. End of story.
In fact, no story at all.
All 9 of me
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8:51am Sat 5 May 12
Caputo wrote:I've had a good think about what is important in my life, and it's not Nellie.
NELLIE: a 96 YEAR OLD lady is STILL missing (from the Brighton area) ... it's been over a week, its VERY cold and Nellie has Alzheimers!!! These people need to think about what is REALLY important in their lives!
Uncle_Meat
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8:52am Sat 5 May 12
It's not surprising the cretinous greens have pandered to my lazy Hanover neighbours yet again.
Too bone idle to put your rubbish out on the correct day? No problem, have a wheely bin! Too lazy to take your recycling boxes in after they've been emptied? No problem, carry on blocking the pavement and making Hanover look like one giant fly-tip!
It seems the Greens can implement speed-humps, 20 mph zones, cycle racks etc. but they don't have the back-bone to introduce residents parking.
HANOVER NEEDS RESIDENTS PARKING NOW!
Maxwell's Ghost
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9:22am Sat 5 May 12
It has been churned up like a festival field. Any idea what the council are going to do to repair it.
Travellers have arrived again and have moved deeper into the park and more of it is likely to be churned up as the ground is so wet.
Morpheus
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9:56am Sat 5 May 12
HJarrs
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11:05am Sat 5 May 12
Uncle_Meat wrote:Er...the residents voted against residents parking. Remember? Big protests against it.
I have a bike and I manage to bring it into the house/back garden after I finish using it.
It's not surprising the cretinous greens have pandered to my lazy Hanover neighbours yet again.
Too bone idle to put your rubbish out on the correct day? No problem, have a wheely bin! Too lazy to take your recycling boxes in after they've been emptied? No problem, carry on blocking the pavement and making Hanover look like one giant fly-tip!
It seems the Greens can implement speed-humps, 20 mph zones, cycle racks etc. but they don't have the back-bone to introduce residents parking.
HANOVER NEEDS RESIDENTS PARKING NOW!
Plus it seems that those most affected by the changes seem reasonably happy, but wider consultation could be better. But as we are, in your words "lazy", it looks like these bike racks will be well used.
HJarrs
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11:13am Sat 5 May 12
george smith wrote:No, I am not a councillor. I think I would do a reasonable job and would give the council officers a run for their money coming from a technical and major project background. But the vitriol I read on these pages for example puts me off.
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:might be a partner, but is a bit of a snob, snooty about Crawley
HJarrs are you a councillor?
And as for Crawley; it is an example of mediocrity that Brighton and Hove should not follow. B&H is very mixed, but at its best is vibrant and creative with a community spirit and it is a pleasure to walk its streets particularly today at the start of the festival. Crawley is a dorm town for Gatwick, designed predominantly around the car. If you want to see the best Crawley buildings then go to the Weald and Download Museum, where they were moved to. I am sure that plenty of nice people live in Crawley though.
Maxwell's Ghost
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12:46pm Sat 5 May 12
Sadly HJarrs, when social housing was available, families only needed one salary, so at least one parent could remain at home and people had time to walk further and generally more time.
Now the cost of a basic family home in the city cost £250,000 which is 11 times an average salary in the city which means both parents have to work meaning less time to use public transport or potter about and jumping in the car to pick the shoppping up, go to the allotment, pick the kids up from swimming etc is the only way to ensure the needs of a family are met when both parents work.
Also many families have been forced further out of the centre as housing is cheaper in Portslade, Mile Oak, Woodingdean and if you ever talk a cycle up there, families need cars etc
However, I am sure I don't need to tell you that the disgraceful sale of social housing and the failure to re-build was the start of two parents going out to work and more pressure on time and hence the reliance on the car.
Hard times
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1:06pm Sat 5 May 12
taman wrote:Unfortunately its had to come to this. Car drivers who think the law of the land doesn't apply to them have been causing congestion by parking on double yellow lines for years. I am over the moon at the cctv enforcement.
proposed 'improvements' for Lewes Road between the Level and the University at Falmer. The main points are a bus/cycle lane (or both) between the Gyratory and Falmer reducing the Lewes Road to one lane each way for cars/trucks/vans etc. main concern would be the potential of 'Grid Lock' not only on this section but the 'Knock on effect' it will have around it. There is a good chance that should this go through that the City Centre will become a ghost town as it will be easier for people to access Worthing or Eastbourne from outside or indeed even from the outer parts of the City. This will cause more businesses to close and the life blood of the City centre to be cut off. The whole area will become a clearway with no parking allowed which will also kill the businesses on the Lewes Road. Enforcement by CCTV will ensure no one can stop even for a minute without getting a ticket through the post! CCTV enforcement is being introduced throughout the City over the next few months be aware when in your private cars that running into a shop for a couple of minutes will result in a ticket through your door a few days later. No doubt hundreds of people will fall foul of this over the next few months as this has been brought in 'on the quiet' Cycle racks today tomorrow the world
The idea that the city will become a ghost time is ridiculous. Tell that to the thriving cities around the world who have modern transportation infrastructure in place and don't care about self centred/stubborn car drivers.
The world is changing. Adapt or fall by the way side.
taman
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2:03pm Sat 5 May 12
Hard times
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3:41pm Sat 5 May 12
LocalFolk
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5:13pm Sat 5 May 12
The council refused to remove the yellow lines on the corner for car parking as the rubbish lorries had asked for them to be extended for turning. Now they've been removed for bike parking showing that they lied to us when we talked to them.
Everyone in the area didn't vote Green and it's entirely possible to agree with some Green views and not on others (I agree with the Tories that paedophilia is a bad thing, I don't agree with anthing else they say).
The removal of more car parking will end up closing local businesses in the end and then people will have to drive to ones where they can park to load and unload goods.
If the council want to remove congestion and reduce pollution they could start with all the blockages they put in the road and stop allowing more and more homes to be built as cash cows.
When Brighton finally finishes its war on cars there will be no businesses in the town centre, no visits to relatives and the elderly, no students and local trades-people.
As with other bike racks anything left there will be smashed up if left overnight. See the council notices about crushing broken bikes at other stands in the area.
Central government will eventually change the law to take parking revenues and the council will realise it shouldn't have sold us down the river.
LocalFolk
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5:22pm Sat 5 May 12
1:06pm Sat 5 May 12"
I would be interested to know how little you really depend on car drivers.
One of the vehicles that parks on the bike lane in Lewes Road is the Post Office van. If that goes so does the Post Office.
All the shops in the Lewes Road depend on illegal parking to get their stock.
Maybe you should start complaining about the cyclists that use the pavements, jump lights, go the wrong way down one way roads. At least car drivers have to prove their competence and can lose their right to drive.
Once the council finish with the cars they'll start issuing bike licences and requiring insurance.
They came for the drivers...
HJarrs
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5:23pm Sat 5 May 12
I agree with you 100% about the crazy property prices that were allowed to develop and lack of social housing building. I think it is scandalous. It does force people into use of a car, no doubt about it. However, I do have a problem with the petrol heads whose life seems to centre around the car. I am for responsible use of transport.
Back to the story though...I took a walk down Howard Road and it looks like the cycle parking is on an area that has double yellow lines. Milton Rd seems to be losing a parking space but this is were really parking should be prevented anyway. I now hope that other curbs will now be dipped. It makes a big difference.
Maxwell's Ghost
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5:37pm Sat 5 May 12
Car Club, more like Fight Club.
HJarrs
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5:41pm Sat 5 May 12
HJarrs
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5:47pm Sat 5 May 12
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:I tend to hire the Fiat 500s. Try getting a child seat in though! Great fun to drive. A proper city car.
HJarrs can you help me. Why is one of the car club vehicles one of those gigantic Toyota Prius vehicle which take up so much darned room on the road I was squeezed off the road by the terrified looking lady gripping the wheel.
Car Club, more like Fight Club.
I too have been in a similar position with a Prius. Yes, it is a dog of a car. Shame as it gives hybrids a bad name.
LocalFolk
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6:03pm Sat 5 May 12
5:41pm Sat 5 May 12"
Why should they need to move?
If they're taxed they have the right to be there. Should every book or CD you haven't used this month be removed?
The fact something is used infrequently doesn't mean it's unnecessary or could/should be replaced with a temporary rental.
You shouldn't make assumptions about how others run their lives on the basis of a parked car.
When the cars are gone someone will need to pay for exactly the same amount of road. £45bn in private transport taxes and only £9bn spent on roads. The cars pay for the bike lanes, car club roads, bus lanes, etc.
Hotbeans
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6:33pm Sat 5 May 12
Hard times
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8:58pm Sat 5 May 12
LocalFolk wrote:If you read the fantastic Lewes Road consultation you would have noticed the implementation of timed loading restrictions - allowing businesses to take stock at responsible times (as most currently do). What it will stop is the scumbag letting agents who use the road as their own private car park - tough s***
Re: Hard times says...
1:06pm Sat 5 May 12"
I would be interested to know how little you really depend on car drivers.
One of the vehicles that parks on the bike lane in Lewes Road is the Post Office van. If that goes so does the Post Office.
All the shops in the Lewes Road depend on illegal parking to get their stock.
Maybe you should start complaining about the cyclists that use the pavements, jump lights, go the wrong way down one way roads. At least car drivers have to prove their competence and can lose their right to drive.
Once the council finish with the cars they'll start issuing bike licences and requiring insurance.
They came for the drivers...
Also, the nature of the shops (I believe within the local planning policy) is restricted to localised trade (I could be wrong), so the excuse of shops needing parking is not valid. I can't think of any of the shops that require car parking that aren't a short walk from Sainsbury's car park.
I also believe the provision for post office vans has been included within the enforcement plan.
There is plenty of parking in side roads during the daytime but the fat and idle will not use it as they may have to walk a few metres.
I do complain about cyclists jumping lights just as I com pain about car users speeding,using their phones and jumping lights. Yes thats right there are idiots in all walks of life.
Who knows, if the roads were a bit safer then the minuscule minority of cyclists who use the footway may start to use the roads.
For the record I am a car driver, motorcyclist, cyclist and pedestrian. The difference is I am not lazy or self centered.
george smith
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9:06pm Sat 5 May 12
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:Yep and the East Brighton travellers have re located there.
George have you seen the terrible state of Wild Park at the front near the road. It has been churned up like a festival field. Any idea what the council are going to do to repair it. Travellers have arrived again and have moved deeper into the park and more of it is likely to be churned up as the ground is so wet.
george smith
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9:12pm Sat 5 May 12
HJarrs wrote:The green travellers bus parked outside the hollingdean depot hasn't moved for years. don't know how they plate it
LocalFolk, as in most areas many of the cars parked on the streets of Hanover do not move for days, are often 2nd or even 3rd cars. I reckon you could get rid of at least 20% of cars parked in Muesli Mountain without impacting on peoples lives - introducing and using a handful of new car club cars would make for more financial and practical sense for these owners. That would free up space particularly for hardpressed tradespeople who must find parking in B&H dispairing.
Maxwell's Ghost
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9:56pm Sat 5 May 12
One child per family and anyone who fails a weight test has their car taken away.
We are a nation of fat, lazy gluttons breeding fat, lazy children we don't seem to be able to support without social housing and child support benefits.
We used to be like goldfish, where we grew to the size of our ponds, now we expect to breed and eat at everyone else's expense.
HJarrs
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9:09am Sun 6 May 12
LocalFolk wrote:Personally, I would like the double yellow lines brought up to a modern standard in the city, as my right to cross a road safely trumps the right to park how you want. Effectively dumping cars in and around the streets restricts parking for those that need to drive and eventually leads to residents parking schemes which limit the amount of parking anyway whilst costing you money. Despite not being a car owner, I don't want to have a residents parking scheme foisted on my neighbours when there are other reasonable solutions.
"HJarrs says...
5:41pm Sat 5 May 12"
Why should they need to move?
If they're taxed they have the right to be there. Should every book or CD you haven't used this month be removed?
The fact something is used infrequently doesn't mean it's unnecessary or could/should be replaced with a temporary rental.
You shouldn't make assumptions about how others run their lives on the basis of a parked car.
When the cars are gone someone will need to pay for exactly the same amount of road. £45bn in private transport taxes and only £9bn spent on roads. The cars pay for the bike lanes, car club roads, bus lanes, etc.
I had hoped that I had demonstrated a better and more responsible way to have access to a car for occasional users than the sacred cow of owning a car. Car clubs are an excellent way forward for many (I will be using one today but not a Prius!) and reduce the number of cars parked in neighbouring streets. Why would you not want to drive a new, serviced car for less money than ownership of a second hand one?
As for the economics, you may be amazed that I don't go into the garden and burn the £1500 a year I save through not owning a car but actually spend the money in the local economy, which generates business and tax. Much money in the car economy leaves the country to pay for vehicles and fuel. We can't afford to do this anymore.
But cars do not pay for cycle lanes! The majority of funding comes through a charity SUSTRANS and local authority funding.
Popped vanity implant
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10:03am Sun 6 May 12
Always amusing to see buffoons patting each on the back whilst banging on about their personal methane targets etc.
sdhgfhfuyt
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11:59am Sun 6 May 12
mimseycal
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12:10pm Sun 6 May 12
A tad less hobby-horsing/high horsing, would make for a far more convivial, not to mention, productive interchange.
Now I think that the main thrust of the article was that consultation has not taken place.
The council claims that letters have been sent, the residents claim that no letters have been received. Now there is an impasse indeed.
Sussex jim
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12:29pm Sun 6 May 12
LocalFolk wrote:Another sensible comment. It's about time cyclists were registered and had to display a number. Perhaps the CCTV could then catch a few red light jumpers and others who take the mickey. A bike, like a car, could be classed as a luxury. You can always walk!
Re: Hard times says...
1:06pm Sat 5 May 12"
I would be interested to know how little you really depend on car drivers.
One of the vehicles that parks on the bike lane in Lewes Road is the Post Office van. If that goes so does the Post Office.
All the shops in the Lewes Road depend on illegal parking to get their stock.
Maybe you should start complaining about the cyclists that use the pavements, jump lights, go the wrong way down one way roads. At least car drivers have to prove their competence and can lose their right to drive.
Once the council finish with the cars they'll start issuing bike licences and requiring insurance.
They came for the drivers...
george smith
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1:02pm Sun 6 May 12
HJarrs wrote:Crawley generally has less unemployment, drugs and drink problem than Brighton. Yep the people are generally good compzny, not raving greens who assume every thing they think must be right. Brighton has too many prople who think they are liberal and creative who follow the latest mantra like sheep.
george smith wrote:No, I am not a councillor. I think I would do a reasonable job and would give the council officers a run for their money coming from a technical and major project background. But the vitriol I read on these pages for example puts me off. And as for Crawley; it is an example of mediocrity that Brighton and Hove should not follow. B&H is very mixed, but at its best is vibrant and creative with a community spirit and it is a pleasure to walk its streets particularly today at the start of the festival. Crawley is a dorm town for Gatwick, designed predominantly around the car. If you want to see the best Crawley buildings then go to the Weald and Download Museum, where they were moved to. I am sure that plenty of nice people live in Crawley though.Maxwell's Ghost wrote: HJarrs are you a councillor?might be a partner, but is a bit of a snob, snooty about Crawley
LocalFolk
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3:39pm Sun 6 May 12
I drive my car about once per week to collect things for my business and food shopping. My insurance/MOT/road tax come to way below £500 (not £1500). I walk everywhere else.
I am happy for people to walk, cycle, take the bus or drive and all should be accomodated.
There are comments from non-car users that think only their transport methods should be available to residents or cars should be rationed by how much money you have (residents' schemes, taxis, etc).
I've never met a car owner that wants to stop cyclists. It's a pity this tolerance isn't shown by cyclists. There's enough roadspace for everyone if the council stopped blocking bits off and charging so only the rich can use it.
The anti-car lobby has now taken us to the point where we (all of us) will be watched by CCTV everywhere we go. I notice the current surveillance cameras haven't been used to find the lady that's missing. Mayvbe there was no money in that for the council.
Hard times
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5:35pm Sun 6 May 12
I think the key here is a maintaining the fine balance between economic and and social responsibility. For too long have car users treated the roads as their own personal space. I believe this government is tipping the scales in a way that understandably may be seen as extreme - but is making up for years of pandering to the needs of the few. I am in no doubt that forthcoming greed based local government will tip the scales the other way - but at least some middle ground may remain.
I think working on the interface between local business, residents and those using the Lewes road as a through-route is crucial in creating a balance and that will come in time.
The biggest obstacle we have currently is eliminating the physiological hold of private car use as something people are reliant on and incentivise more responsible modes of transport.
I think things such as economic growth and environmental responsibility can work together as long as local amenities are close, businesses are not penalised, and people become responsibility for the impact of their own actions.
LocalFolk
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6:01pm Sun 6 May 12
5:35pm Sun 6 May 12
I'm all in favour of encouraging the use of bikes, walking, whatever.
What I am against is:
a) making it dependent on how much you earn (eg congestion charges) let anyone with £x do what the poor are banned from b) assuming that public transport is always the answer (try taking 2m sheets of plywood on a two bus trip)
c) those with power doing things without asking and using our money (eg I haven't been asked if I want CCTV throughout Brighton)
d) general stupidity - the very expensive and broken machines that distract cyclists to tell them which number bike they are that day (Lewes Road) - like the naff 'you are visitor number' counters websites used to have.
I (and many others) have wasted lots of time in meetings with the council where they bring up one scheme after another which no-one's asked for.
I consider myself very left-wing, green (vegetarian for 30+ years, organic garden, recycling, repair not rebuy, etc, etc) but the Greens we have in Brighton are tokenists desperate to exercise power for the sake of it. It would be best for everyone if the council just left everything alone and used the money to pay for women's shelters, rehab's and things we all need like refuse collections and removing the ever proliferating number of signs saying 'banned', 'prohibited', 'no xxx'.
Brighton has become a theme park for visitors in the past 25 years. Many people are getting tired of their town being built on Disneyland requirements rather than catering for residents.
Old Ladys Gin
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8:15pm Sun 6 May 12
How do so many people forget where they have parked their bike?
Then the council will employ a 'green' consultant to vaguely figure out how to 'solve' the problem; then after 250,000 spent (at least) they'll still be there, rusting bikes attached.
How much more simple could it possibly be?
Maxwell's Ghost
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9:49am Mon 7 May 12
Until the Greens organise the refuse collection service to manage recycling efficiently i will believe this council is truly Eco.
However, in my street of about 250 homes only ten per cent recycle and even then the council refuse to take cardboard boxes if they don't fit in the tiny black boxes.
Recycling is a key service for residents across the uk yet Brighton's service has become a shameful lip service approach reliant upon people doing it if they fancy and pot luck if the binmen take the stuff.
The council should focus on the basics before trying to create smokescreens of being Eco with cycle counters and car charging points.
Also can The Argus please do a feature on the Lewes Road proposals from the perspective of all road users. I would also like to know why up to five No 25 buses trundle along that route to the unis in a convoy every hour completely empty.
Before any work is carried out these issues need to be dealt with.
LocalFolk
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11:11am Mon 7 May 12
9:49am Mon 7 May 12.
I agree with the 'all users' surveys.
I don't see why something that everyone uses (eg a parking space) is only open to debate by people who live near it. A more valid survey would be to leaflet cars in the area (or cars and houses).
As with most council (and especially Green) surveys they construct questions to get the answer they want. On the Lewes Road changes I wanted to get rid of street clutter (unused posts, the fences by the road that treat people like sheep to be herded) but I could only vote for that if I wanted have bus lanes (which I don't).
A fairer system would be to say there is a pot of money to be spent in an area and ask the users of the area what they'd like it spent on.
Of course that would do away with the need for councillors so we can't have that can we?
Hard times
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5:04pm Mon 7 May 12
I think the reason that wasn't in the questions is because its a transportation consultation and needed to focus on a few key points.
I hate to stereotype but I notice the sort of person who parks right on the lewes road to use shops tend to fall within one distinct group.
We really do not need any parking/waiting on the road full stop. (loading is another matter).
Joshiman
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6:58pm Mon 7 May 12
Levent
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7:22pm Wed 9 May 12
Old Ladys Gin says...
6:48pm Fri 4 May 12
Must ask Scamp the Jack Russell, he's bound to know.