Brighton couple held in Bali - fears they could face firing squad (From The Argus)
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Brighton couple held in Bali - fears they could face firing squad
9:53am Wednesday 30th May 2012 in News By Anna Roberts, Crime reporter
ARREST: Rachel Dougall and Julian Ponder
A Brighton couple face the death penalty for their alleged involvement in a £1.6 million cocaine smuggling ring in Indonesia.
Rachel Dougall and Julian Ponder, both from the city, were detained in Bali as part of a police sting operation following the arrest of British housewife Lindsay Sandiford.
Their daughter, Kitty, is being cared for by their maid, Ketut Suranchana, and her husband, Dayu Ariani.
The couple will face death by firing squad if found guilty.
Dougall's father Barry lives in Haywards Heath. He said: "It looks like she is in a lot of trouble."
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The Foreign Office said British officials were helping the little girl as well as the arrested Britons.
A spokesman said: "We are aware of the daughter of Rachel Dougall. Consular officials from the consulate in Bali have visited the daughter and will continue to provide consular assistance."
Earlier Ms Dougall pleaded for help from behind bars, claiming she was the victim of a "fit-up".
Her arrest came after British housewife Lindsay Sandiford, 55, was allegedly caught with 4.8kg of cocaine stuffed in the lining of a suitcase as she arrived in Bali.
She agreed to take part in a sting operation in which police swooped on four other suspects after her arrest last week - the three other Britons and an Indian man.
Ms Dougall and Mr Ponder were filmed by ITV News as they were taken by police for questioning.
Ms Dougall later shouted through the bars of her cell at Bali police headquarters: "It's a fit-up, get us a decent lawyer."
Customs officials told ITV News that Mrs Sandiford may be spared the death sentence because she helped to catch three other members of the smuggling operation, who could face a firing squad.
Mrs Sandiford, originally from Redcar, Teesside, is thought to have told police she only agreed to make the smuggling trip because her children in England were being threatened.
She was paraded at a press conference alongside the drugs, wearing an orange prison T-shirt and hiding her face from cameras.
Masked, armed officers in Kuta, a town on the holiday island, flanked her as she was brought into the room and a customs official cut open packages wrapped in brown tape to reveal a white powder.
Customs official Made Wijaya said at the press conference: "After weighing, the total cocaine is 4.791kg."
The drugs have an estimated street value of 23.9 billion Indonesian rupiah (£1.6 million), he said.
"This is a big international network," he said. "The charge against them would carry the death penalty."
Another 68g of cocaine, 280g of powdered ecstasy and a small amount of hashish were also seized following the arrest of the other gang members at separate locations in Bali, officials said.
Comments(78)
jyan
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10:18am Wed 30 May 12
Nathan_Adler
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10:20am Wed 30 May 12
hubby
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10:25am Wed 30 May 12
Understatement!
lordenglandofsussex
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10:31am Wed 30 May 12
GIVE UP
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10:34am Wed 30 May 12
Annumella
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10:44am Wed 30 May 12
John60
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11:52am Wed 30 May 12
lordenglandofsussex wrote:A bit harsh!
A bullet is too good for them. The rope is cheaper for these drug dealing filth.
rolivan
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12:01pm Wed 30 May 12
John60 wrote:Not Harsh enough when You think of all the Death and Destruction Drugs bring to Famillies.
lordenglandofsussex wrote:A bit harsh!
A bullet is too good for them. The rope is cheaper for these drug dealing filth.
graham_Seagull
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12:07pm Wed 30 May 12
Stoves
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12:14pm Wed 30 May 12
Supply and demand people, supply and demand!
But for christs sake pick a better country to operate in.
davyboy
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12:16pm Wed 30 May 12
graham_Seagull wrote:caught red-handed, doesn't look good. they must have known what they were doing. lets face it, if someone is prepared to pay you good money to carry a bag through customs, then there is something dodgy going on. clearly they already have money, being able to employ a maid. if Kitty's grandfather lives in Haywards Heath, why isn't he looking after her?
innocent until proven guilty!
Crystal Ball
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12:33pm Wed 30 May 12
If the reports are true then it's nice to see them considering their child and families. Not.
rolivan
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1:11pm Wed 30 May 12
sglenister
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1:14pm Wed 30 May 12
It looks bad for them, I'm sure that fact is not lost of them.
From what I've read they sound like hedonistic chancers, but what do I know. Maybe they're innocent.
One thing is for sure, their 6 year old daughter is more innocent than anyone who buys the drugs they were supplying and she's about to lose her parents.
Dealing with idiots
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1:17pm Wed 30 May 12
MuammarQaddafi
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1:31pm Wed 30 May 12
Spanners
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1:32pm Wed 30 May 12
mistamiksta
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1:35pm Wed 30 May 12
In a word MULES!
willy harris
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1:37pm Wed 30 May 12
Stoves wrote:sensible people know what its like to get off your head as you put it.on coke or anything else, normal people are trying to get ON with their lives in a sensible manner.and not supplying/demanding anything more than a decent life.leaving the brain rotting, stuff that others pump into there bodies, by one way or another, are you one of these sorry lot?if so you should get help before its too late and you get caught,
You're all forgetting how much fun it is to get off your head on coke!!
Supply and demand people, supply and demand!
But for christs sake pick a better country to operate in.
sglenister
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2:15pm Wed 30 May 12
There isn't a person here who isn't guilty of some mistermina in somebody's eyes. Filling your car up with petrol is contributing to corruption and murder in places you haven't even heard of. If you think otherwise, then you're as stupid as these parents who have let their daughter down.
The Real Phil
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2:23pm Wed 30 May 12
Dealing with idiots
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2:50pm Wed 30 May 12
sglenister wrote:You can live your life any way you want but don't expect the rest of us to pick up the tab. Drug use in the city costs millions each year. At least those sinning by using petrol are making some kind of contribution rather than staggering around the Level off their face and taking space up in A&E.
We are all free to live our lives in the way we feel fit. Imposing small minded views on each other about how 'the other lot' live their lives is incredibly short sighted. There isn't a person here who isn't guilty of some mistermina in somebody's eyes. Filling your car up with petrol is contributing to corruption and murder in places you haven't even heard of. If you think otherwise, then you're as stupid as these parents who have let their daughter down.
Hotbeans
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2:53pm Wed 30 May 12
Hotbeans
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2:57pm Wed 30 May 12
sglenister wrote:Mistermina? Possibly the most awesome spelling fail I've seen for some time.
We are all free to live our lives in the way we feel fit. Imposing small minded views on each other about how 'the other lot' live their lives is incredibly short sighted.
There isn't a person here who isn't guilty of some mistermina in somebody's eyes. Filling your car up with petrol is contributing to corruption and murder in places you haven't even heard of. If you think otherwise, then you're as stupid as these parents who have let their daughter down.
NickBrt
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3:14pm Wed 30 May 12
John60
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3:20pm Wed 30 May 12
rolivan wrote:I'm sure this govermant would tax it and make it legal if they could! Still think that kind of right wing facist attitude is harsh and wrong
John60 wrote:Not Harsh enough when You think of all the Death and Destruction Drugs bring to Famillies.
lordenglandofsussex wrote:A bit harsh!
A bullet is too good for them. The rope is cheaper for these drug dealing filth.
Nick Brighton
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3:44pm Wed 30 May 12
sglenister wrote:Agreed, it would be great to live our own lives as we see fit, as long as it does not adversely impact others. But, everything we do impacts others. The degree to which it adversely affects them is varied and often subjective.
We are all free to live our lives in the way we feel fit. Imposing small minded views on each other about how 'the other lot' live their lives is incredibly short sighted.
There isn't a person here who isn't guilty of some mistermina in somebody's eyes. Filling your car up with petrol is contributing to corruption and murder in places you haven't even heard of. If you think otherwise, then you're as stupid as these parents who have let their daughter down.
I have seen the impact of a drug addict child on the lives of friends of mine. It has consumed their lives too. They continue to support their child out of love for them. Their child's freedom has led to the parents' enslavement.
The argument often goes that if drugs were legal, then there would be no criminality associated with the trade. That is a big supposition. After all, the addicts are physically addicted and even if legal, the drugs would cost money, which often the user does not have. This in itself might lead to criminality.
The powerful, wealthy and often violent criminals currently involved in the illegal drugs trade are in it for the power and wealth. If decriminalised, I do not believe these people are suddenly going to become angels. Instead, I suspect they'll find another group of weak individuals to prey upon to feed their own addiction to power and money.
lordenglandofsussex
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3:45pm Wed 30 May 12
John60 wrote:If it were your son, daughter or loved one dying or dead from narcotic abuse or poisoning, I doubt you would hold the same view.
rolivan wrote:I'm sure this govermant would tax it and make it legal if they could! Still think that kind of right wing facist attitude is harsh and wrong
John60 wrote:Not Harsh enough when You think of all the Death and Destruction Drugs bring to Famillies.
lordenglandofsussex wrote:A bit harsh!
A bullet is too good for them. The rope is cheaper for these drug dealing filth.
These drug dealers may not pull the trigger but they give you the live ammunition to kill yourself!
Dealing with idiots
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5:04pm Wed 30 May 12
lordenglandofsussex wrote:I agree. Every time you puff it snort it, or dip your hamster in it you are putting bullets into the bodies of kids all over the world. Unfortunately our city is full of right on leftie skankas who are happy to spend their lives posing and living off the rest of us.
John60 wrote:If it were your son, daughter or loved one dying or dead from narcotic abuse or poisoning, I doubt you would hold the same view. These drug dealers may not pull the trigger but they give you the live ammunition to kill yourself!rolivan wrote:I'm sure this govermant would tax it and make it legal if they could! Still think that kind of right wing facist attitude is harsh and wrongJohn60 wrote:Not Harsh enough when You think of all the Death and Destruction Drugs bring to Famillies.lordenglandofsussex wrote: A bullet is too good for them. The rope is cheaper for these drug dealing filth.A bit harsh!
eveningordaytime
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6:14pm Wed 30 May 12
Number Six
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6:22pm Wed 30 May 12
Hotbeans wrote:And it's not arrogant for us to tell other countries what laws they may or may not have? By the same toke is it not equally arrogant for us to demand the visitors obey our laws or face the laid down sentence?
Death by firing squad? What a ridiculously backward and barbaric country it must be then. They must be very arrogant to hold their own laws in such high esteem.
Their country, their rules. Either obey them or don't go there.
boblat
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6:31pm Wed 30 May 12
People who try to smuggle drugs through these channels must either ''think twice'' or provide their OWN protectors and their own Arsenal of weapons..Just like the Western powers did in Iraq and Afghanistan!!
cookie_brighton
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6:45pm Wed 30 May 12
It is due to the actions of these two, that teenagers are dieing on our streets.
For all you people that are saying......but what about her child..who is going to take care of her etc......did they consider their daughter when they made the decision to carry drugs....I think not.
The firing squad IS the punishment in that country for the offence they are accused of commiting.
Indonesia are very strict about drugs offences in their country, there are over 100 people in their jail for drugs offences 2 of them being Australians who were caught in the mid 2000s smuggling drugs...they appealed and lost...they are awaiting the sentence to be carried out.
I have no sympathy for people who are mules, just to feed their greed.....I notice their daughter is being cared for by their maid.....it is nice to be able to afford a maid, wonder where the money to pay the maid came from.
eveningordaytime
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6:55pm Wed 30 May 12
Morpheus
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7:15pm Wed 30 May 12
cookie_brighton
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7:27pm Wed 30 May 12
By your last comment it looks like your dealer is going to be extinct.
I am not going to lower myself to your level to insult you......my advice is keep taking the medication.
Hove Actually
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9:29pm Wed 30 May 12
sglenister wrote:Two things
Before you 'cast a stone', remember, Benson & Hedges bring a lot more death and destruction. Carlsbourg bring a lot more misery. It looks bad for them, I'm sure that fact is not lost of them. From what I've read they sound like hedonistic chancers, but what do I know. Maybe they're innocent. One thing is for sure, their 6 year old daughter is more innocent than anyone who buys the drugs they were supplying and she's about to lose her parents.
One ...... but thats probally the best misery in the world and
Two.......shes about to lose her Drug Dealing parents, which means other children will not!
Cash Cow
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9:37pm Wed 30 May 12
lordenglandofsussex wrote:My Lord, I am not saying I disagree with you, though have you tried to buy a length of rope lately, far more expensive than ammunition!
A bullet is too good for them. The rope is cheaper for these drug dealing filth.
Cash Cow
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10:04pm Wed 30 May 12
mimseycal
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11:08pm Wed 30 May 12
I expect that if they are found guilty however that the Home Office will end up doing some form of deal with Bali.
Rocker
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11:09pm Wed 30 May 12
Game over for these two.
davyboy
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11:37pm Wed 30 May 12
sglenister
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10:36am Thu 31 May 12
Unless of course they smoke, in which case they may have to watch their parents die slowly and very unpleasantly.
I take it you support your local newsagent selling tobacco?
Horses for courses...
mimseycal
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10:49am Thu 31 May 12
sglenister
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10:51am Thu 31 May 12
What I would say is, what serves the greater good, punishment or reform?
Are you looking for a solution or retribution? Most comments here seem to support retribution.
The person paying the biggest price here is a 6 year old girl.
Undoubtedly there should be punishment, but step back and take a bigger view and make sure there is some balance.
Don't support something you couldn't do yourselves. Could you tell a 6 year old, "sorry, we've killed your parents because they did something wrong."
Perhaps a sentence of 10 years working with drug addicts might be a more appropriate response?
sglenister
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11:08am Thu 31 May 12
I'm not a religious person in any way, but it makes you realise how little we have advanced in the 2,000 years since that phrase took root.
mimseycal
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11:18am Thu 31 May 12
We are commenting on the article which concerns the 'alleged' criminal behaviour of Britons resident in Bali.
I say alleged as till they have been found guilty consequent to a fair and open trial, I will not hold them guilty.
However, I will expect that, if they are subsequently found guilty, they should face the full consequences of the law prevailing in the country in which they have breached the law.
mimseycal
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11:25am Thu 31 May 12
I have children and not all my children are my biological children. But our relationship is such that they have the right to expect me to consider them in all my actions. I certainly always consider the possible consequences of MY actions on them all. That is my duty as a caring parent. It is not my duty as a human being to consider the consequences of the actions of others on their children ... that is their duty.
If they, as parents, have indeed been engaged in drug smuggling, they certainly have not considered the potential consequences of their actions on their child or on the children of other parents.
sglenister
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11:35am Thu 31 May 12
We're not discussing the UK penal system, we're discussing people's opinions and the Indonesian penal system is just a proxy.
I have no doubt the parents will get the death sentence, but it will probably never happen as the UK has a lot of influence. The big northern lump will get 15 years.
My opinion is that they should be made to work in Indonesia for 10-15 years helping in some way to reform drug addicts. That should placate the Indonesians, punish and teach them the darker side of what happens to people who get addicted to drugs and also give a positive payback to society that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
Surely that's a better solution that just killing them?
Rocker
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11:39am Thu 31 May 12
sglenister
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11:44am Thu 31 May 12
mimseycal
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11:49am Thu 31 May 12
sglenister wrote:If, as you have stated in a previous post, the drug debate is way beyond this forum, what makes you think that it is the right place to discuss comparative legal systems?
"I expect that...they should" - that started as a statement of fact and ended as judgement.
We're not discussing the UK penal system, we're discussing people's opinions and the Indonesian penal system is just a proxy.
I have no doubt the parents will get the death sentence, but it will probably never happen as the UK has a lot of influence. The big northern lump will get 15 years.
My opinion is that they should be made to work in Indonesia for 10-15 years helping in some way to reform drug addicts. That should placate the Indonesians, punish and teach them the darker side of what happens to people who get addicted to drugs and also give a positive payback to society that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
Surely that's a better solution that just killing them?
These individuals weren't day trippers in Bali, they resided in Bali.
sglenister
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11:58am Thu 31 May 12
I work (voluntarily) with prisoners in Lewes prison. I'm amazed at how many of my friends think I'm wasting my time on scum - bizarrely, one of them is a prison warden at Lewes. When I go in, I see a room full of people who know they've made big mistakes. They know why they're there and they're prepared to pay the price and then try to turn things around. Of course some of them are scum who have no intention or interest in contributing to society other than to take what they can, but they not the ones who volunteer for my course.
Archie Bun
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12:27pm Thu 31 May 12
graham_Seagull wrote:That might be the case here, but they aren't here.
innocent until proven guilty!
Archie Bun
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12:29pm Thu 31 May 12
sglenister wrote:Mistermina?
We are all free to live our lives in the way we feel fit. Imposing small minded views on each other about how 'the other lot' live their lives is incredibly short sighted. There isn't a person here who isn't guilty of some mistermina in somebody's eyes. Filling your car up with petrol is contributing to corruption and murder in places you haven't even heard of. If you think otherwise, then you're as stupid as these parents who have let their daughter down.
sglenister
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12:47pm Thu 31 May 12
You have my humble apologies for my mistake. Hopefully you'll see fit to spare me the death sentence...
mimseycal
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1:18pm Thu 31 May 12
I personally oppose the death penalty in all its various shapes and forms for any, regardless of the severity, acts against society or individual/s.
I also think that we should legalize all forms of drugs and regulate them. I do not think that this will eradicate the issue of drug smuggling altogether however it will eradicate a significant degree of the misery that the smuggling/illicit growing etcetera brings in its wake.
I would however question whether we can assume, as you appear to be doing, that all those individuals who volunteer for your course are actually there because they are genuinely contrite or because they are playing the system. Not, I'll hasten to add, that this in anyway negates their attendance or the value of your 're-education'. As long as you have bums on seats you have a chance of reaching at least some of them and if even just one changes his/her ways it is a win.
Another point worth considering ... not many people are able to walk a mile in the moccasins of another. I personally tend to read posts that are categorical as the product of severely restricted cerebellar functioning.
mimseycal
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1:21pm Thu 31 May 12
Archie Bun wrote:Nope ... they are in Bali and that is where they have breached the law.
graham_Seagull wrote:That might be the case here, but they aren't here.
innocent until proven guilty!
If they wanted to make sure they would be treated to the British Justice System, which is far from perfect, they should have stayed here, paid their taxes here, employed their maid here and faced the music here.
Dealing with idiots
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7:31pm Fri 1 Jun 12
claremoss
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10:07pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Everyone is so quick to judge in this life, but very slow in imagining if it was happening to their loved ones. I am not saying it is right, far far from it, I am just saying all this 'You get what you deserve' attitude is soon taken back when the same people saying it make a mistake, or their relatives do.
mimseycal
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10:23pm Fri 1 Jun 12
I would personally 'shop' any sibling or family member who dealt in drugs without any hesitation. The same would hold for trafficking, child abuse or any other practice that visits misery on others.
claremoss
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10:30pm Fri 1 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:you are not close to your family, I get it. Most of us are though. Do you have children? Do you hold the same view for them?
Well, I can say hand on heart that if my sibling was in a similar situation as these two, and was found guilty in a fair and open trial, then I would still hold that the law of the land must hold.
I would personally 'shop' any sibling or family member who dealt in drugs without any hesitation. The same would hold for trafficking, child abuse or any other practice that visits misery on others.
To be shot?
Really?
I have to respect your view if you have seriously thought about it, but have to disagree, as I love my family and if they made a mistake, or got involved in dodgy stuff, would never STOP loving them and certainly would not want them to die.
mimseycal
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11:14pm Fri 1 Jun 12
claremoss
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11:20pm Fri 1 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:yes, but loving people means loving them despite their faults. Again, if it was your child you would agree they should be shot?
You assume too much. Loving people doesn't mean having to be blind to faults. And dealing in drugs is not just a mistake. It takes planning and organisation. Just as trafficking and child abuse does.
mimseycal
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5:21am Sat 2 Jun 12
You see, that is what they have been taught. All actions have consequences. Hopefully, I will have taught them well enough that they will not act like subhumans feeding on the misery of others.
I won't pride myself on it and I will do all I can, within the law, to stand by them. But I will not expect them to avoid facing the consequences of their actions.
claremoss
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12:16pm Sat 2 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:I have to say I am glad you are not my parent with an attitude like that.
If it was my child or grandchild, I would still expect that they face the consequences of their actions.
You see, that is what they have been taught. All actions have consequences. Hopefully, I will have taught them well enough that they will not act like subhumans feeding on the misery of others.
I won't pride myself on it and I will do all I can, within the law, to stand by them. But I will not expect them to avoid facing the consequences of their actions.
mimseycal
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12:44pm Sat 2 Jun 12
The thing is, if you instil values at an early enough age than it can be done fairly painlessly. Don't dismiss the taking of a chocolate bar from a sweetshop. Don't make light of the picking of a flower from a neighbours garden and don't overlook the ganging up with others on the current 'fallen out of favour' playmate.
Do it early enough and hopefully the principles instilled, personal accountability, a social awareness and a fundamental respect for the dignity of others will stay with them for life.
Our family get togethers are far more convivial because my children are inherently pleasant, open and caring individuals who cheerfully pick up their litter before going home ;)
claremoss
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12:58pm Sat 2 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:Parents can be the best parents in the world and still their children can end up breaking the law. I am glad yours haven't, especially for their sakes. I find your attitude also quite snobby. Of course good parenting produces good children generally but this is not always the case. You remind me of the parents sat around saying their kids are angels when the kids are off doing all sorts rejoicing in the knowledge of how naive you are! Anyway, we digress. To be shot for a crime is barbaric, which is why most countries do not do it.
No surprises there then ;)
The thing is, if you instil values at an early enough age than it can be done fairly painlessly. Don't dismiss the taking of a chocolate bar from a sweetshop. Don't make light of the picking of a flower from a neighbours garden and don't overlook the ganging up with others on the current 'fallen out of favour' playmate.
Do it early enough and hopefully the principles instilled, personal accountability, a social awareness and a fundamental respect for the dignity of others will stay with them for life.
Our family get togethers are far more convivial because my children are inherently pleasant, open and caring individuals who cheerfully pick up their litter before going home ;)
mimseycal
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1:32pm Sat 2 Jun 12
No, I wouldn't glory in one of my offspring or relations facing death-row. I would however expect them to face the consequences of their actions.
If those actions occur in a land where it is well known that the consequences of those actions includes the possibility of the firing squad, then I would do all I could to try and ensure that they would not face that ultimate consequence. I would however not sit back, question the right of a sovereign nation to set its own laws, claim it is barbaric and bemoan their lot.
At this moment in time I know what the couple have been charged with doing. I do not know nor will I know till the conclusion of a fair and open trial whether they are guilty as charged or not.
I do know that they are resident in Bali, I also know that Indonesia has the death penalty as the ultimate penalty for some crimes. I know what they have been charged with.
I also know that there are certain actions I would not turn a blind eye to just because the perpetrators are my offspring, kith and kin. I would not dismiss an act that clearly requires extensive planning and organisation as 'a mistake' or a momentary abberation. I would stand by any of them but I would not stand in front of them.
If that is to be snobbish ... well, your definition of snobbish must be far different from mine.
claremoss
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2:55pm Sat 2 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:If we don't question the laws of other nations then we are agreeing to all sorts of wrongness. Public stoning, legal rape, infanticide, female genital mutilation.
My children are far from angels. They have however been taught that actions have consequences.
No, I wouldn't glory in one of my offspring or relations facing death-row. I would however expect them to face the consequences of their actions.
If those actions occur in a land where it is well known that the consequences of those actions includes the possibility of the firing squad, then I would do all I could to try and ensure that they would not face that ultimate consequence. I would however not sit back, question the right of a sovereign nation to set its own laws, claim it is barbaric and bemoan their lot.
At this moment in time I know what the couple have been charged with doing. I do not know nor will I know till the conclusion of a fair and open trial whether they are guilty as charged or not.
I do know that they are resident in Bali, I also know that Indonesia has the death penalty as the ultimate penalty for some crimes. I know what they have been charged with.
I also know that there are certain actions I would not turn a blind eye to just because the perpetrators are my offspring, kith and kin. I would not dismiss an act that clearly requires extensive planning and organisation as 'a mistake' or a momentary abberation. I would stand by any of them but I would not stand in front of them.
If that is to be snobbish ... well, your definition of snobbish must be far different from mine.
I am against the death penalty and believe it to be barbaric. If they are guilty let them be punished not murdered.
mimseycal
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3:04pm Sat 2 Jun 12
boblat
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5:22pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Drugs are run through these places by the TON weekly, and no one turns a hair??
BUT, if someone from outside the ''Organisation'' ever gets busted, then they are held to ''Ransom'' just so the country involved can declare...NOT US ! We don't allow, so shoot em!!!!
It's all **** propaganda!!!!
mimseycal
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6:06pm Sat 2 Jun 12
boblat wrote:Might I respectfully point out that Indonesia is not a Middle Eastern country ... or does that cause a downpour on your parade and derail your bandwagon?
You lot come out with such a bunch of ''nonsense'' I've ever heard. When are you ever gonna realise that ALL these Mid-Eastern countries are , and forever have been, the most ''CORRUPT'' bunch of sanction able parasites the world has ever known..(for their King and Country only)....
Drugs are run through these places by the TON weekly, and no one turns a hair??
BUT, if someone from outside the ''Organisation'' ever gets busted, then they are held to ''Ransom'' just so the country involved can declare...NOT US ! We don't allow, so shoot em!!!!
It's all **** propaganda!!!!
Claude Back
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12:13pm Sun 3 Jun 12
Stoves wrote:Idiot!
You're all forgetting how much fun it is to get off your head on coke!!
Supply and demand people, supply and demand!
But for christs sake pick a better country to operate in.
boblat
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2:18pm Sun 3 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:Mid East? Far East? I really don't give a ''monkeys'' for your ''Mimsy'' remarks..You certainly do live up to your name..
boblat wrote:Might I respectfully point out that Indonesia is not a Middle Eastern country ... or does that cause a downpour on your parade and derail your bandwagon?
You lot come out with such a bunch of ''nonsense'' I've ever heard. When are you ever gonna realise that ALL these Mid-Eastern countries are , and forever have been, the most ''CORRUPT'' bunch of sanction able parasites the world has ever known..(for their King and Country only)....
Drugs are run through these places by the TON weekly, and no one turns a hair??
BUT, if someone from outside the ''Organisation'' ever gets busted, then they are held to ''Ransom'' just so the country involved can declare...NOT US ! We don't allow, so shoot em!!!!
It's all **** propaganda!!!!
I have NO parade to rain on, and a Bandwagon I just don't ride. Only my nice spooky black Mercedes to swoop about in thank-you....You have a nice day now~Ya hea?? WONK!!
mimseycal
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3:05pm Sun 3 Jun 12
claremoss
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3:34pm Sun 3 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:I am now rather glad I left our debate when we were being rational after the last couple of comments from other people :o)
Derailed AND defunct. Ah well ;)
Hove Actually says...
10:08am Wed 30 May 12