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18 arrested during protests in Brighton (From The Argus)
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18 arrested during protests in Brighton
10:39am Saturday 2nd June 2012 in News By Ben Parsons, Crime Reporter
Day of protest over as nationalists leave Brighton
Clashes between protesters brought parts of central Brighton to a halt today.
An anti-Jubilee street party in Churchill Square was followed by confrontations between anti-fascists and nationalists in and around the seafront and Old Steine.
Hundreds of police were on alert in the city centre but no serious violence was reported and fewer than a hundred people were involved on either side.
A total of 18 people were arrested.
See below for full list
The day ended with about 30 nationalists being escorted to Brighton railway station by police and leaving the city.
Superintendent Steve Whitton, of Sussex Police, said: "We took the decision to have a visible and reassuring presence in the city today.
"Early engagement, explaining our intentions to facilitate peaceful activity and making arrests for any criminality, prevented an escalation of tension between the groups and only a few minor incidents of disorder took place.
"I would like to thank local people, businesses and visitors for their patience on the few occasions when it was necessary to close roads or divert traffic. We were able keep these to a minimum."
Several small groups answered a call by right-wing group Casuals United to come to the city to socialise.
The plan was made in response to an overwhelming counter-demonstration at the March For England in April, which stopped that march following its route.
Sussex Police estimated about 100 people in total came to the city as part of the Casuals United event.
As a result, Unite Against Fascism encouraged its supporters to attend a UK Uncut street party in Churchill Square.
Sussex Police cancelled officers’ leave and drafted in officers from other areas including Kent, West Mercia, Warwickshire, Bedfordshire and Thames Valley.
Police horses patrolled the city centre, and a heavy police presence was reported at railway stations in the morning.
They invoked Section 60 of the Criminal Justice Act to allow them to search people on suspicion of carrying weapons and forbidding people to cover their faces.
One man was arrested and cautioned for cannabis possession at Hove station, another arrested on suspicion of possession of a class A drug near the Queen’s Head pub opposite Brighton station.
The UK Uncut event started at midday and passed peacefully, with trestle tables laid out, music, puppetry and poetry outside the doors of BHS – a shop targeted in the past because of controversy surrounding the tax affairs of its parent company Arcadia.
The event was largely compered by Marina Pepper, a former Liberal Democrat mayor of Lewes.
Meanwhile nationalists had reportedly gathered in pubs in Hove, before splitting up and coming to Brighton.
Security guards in Kemp Town began reporting aggressive, homophobic behaviour by groups of men in Kemp Town.
The Argus found one group of about ten nationalists drinking peacefully at the St James’s Tavern.
They declined to speak publicly, saying they had been misrepresented in the past.
They confirmed they and fellow visitors had split up to stop police containing them. Arrests were reported soon afterwards near Palace Pier and the Amsterdam Hotel, following alleged public order offences.
Others gathered at Belushi’s.
Shortly after 3.10pm a group of about 100 people, many in black hooded tops, unfurled a banner which read “No Fascism” and marched into North Street, heading towards Kemp Town.
They got as far as Bond Street before police stopped them. With the road blocked, queues of buses immediately began to form, stretching as far back as Old Steine.
The demonstrators drifted away, though police later said the march had been “re-routed”.
They gathered again in Old Steine, opposite the bottom of St James’s Street. There, with no police in sight, the first of many brief confrontations with nationalists took place.
A small group of nationalists walked towards and past the large group of anti-fascists, who began shouting slogans at them after they had passed.
No physical confrontation took place – though the anti-fascists did clash with police soon afterwards.
A bus nearly drove into one of their number, who had crouched to pick something up as he crossed a bus lane.
His cohorts banged on the front of the bus and shouted at the driver. Police then forced the anti-fascists off the road.
At the seafront, police arrested a man outside Charles Street Bar. He chanted “E-, E-, EDL” as they loaded him into the back of a van. Two other men, who were clearly drunk, were arrested shortly afterwards a few yards away.
Several nationalists were milling about in the area, even as anti-fascists, not in black hoods, walked among them trying to find out where they were.
The Argus heard one nationalist complaining about the tactic of repeatedly splitting up.
St James’s Street was briefly blocked as police contained the main anti-fascist group.
Traffic was stopped between that junction on the Old Steine and the Palace Pier roundabout outside Harry Ramsden’s chip shop.
Shortly afterwards confrontations began between the entrance to the Royal Albion Hotel and Pool Valley.
Police blocked a short cut-through, escorting nationalists to the Pool Valley side, and keeping anti-fascists on the Old Steine side.
Two nationalists and an anti-fascist were arrested on suspicion of public order offences there.
By 4.30, police had blocked the northbound exit from the Palace Pier roundabout while anti-fascists gathered there.
A group of nationalists gathered on the seafront side of the Royal Albion.
About 30 of them were then escorted back up North Street to the railway station.
Three men were arrested over alleged racist chanting.
An anti-fascist protester was arrested after an egg was thrown.
The nationalists were taken through the back entrance of the station at about 6pm to make sure no problems were caused to people travelling to the Fatboy Slim concert at the American Express Community Stadium.
A total 18 people were arrested during the day.
• A 47-year-old man from Enfield, Middlesex, was cautioned for possession of cocaine and released.
• A 32-year-old man from Portslade was cautioned for possession of cannabis and cannabis resin and released.
• A 37-year-old man from Sittingbourne, Kent, was cautioned for possession of cocaine and released.
The rest were still in custody at 8pm.
• A 26-year-old man from Cambridge on suspicion of using offensive language.
• A 44-year-old man from Brighton on suspicion of discharging a firework in a public place.
• A 45-year-old man from Brighton on suspicion of a breach of the peace.
• A 49-year-old man from Shoreham on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm.
• A 43-year-old man from Hull on suspicion of being drunk and disorderly.
• A 49-year-old man from Worthing on suspicion of using offensive language.
• A 50-year-old man from Herne Bay, Kent on suspicion ofcommitting battery.
• A 45-year-old man from Bletchley, Milton Keynes on suspicion of breaching a notice served under Section 27 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act.
• A 51-year-old man from Hull on suspicion of criminal damage, assaulting a police officer and breaching a notice served under Section 27 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act.
• A 53-year-old woman from Brighton on suspicion of assaulting a police officer.
• A 27-year-old man from Stratford-upon-Avon, Warwickshire on suspicion of causing distress to public.
• A 30-year-old man from Brighton on suspicion of assault.
• A 27-year-old man from Brighton on suspicion of using offensive language.
• A 50-year-old man from Bournemouth on suspicion of using racial language while chanting.
• A 37-year-old man from Brighton on suspicion of possession of heroin.
Comments(106)
mustaphaLeeko
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11:52am Sat 2 Jun 12
If people can't liase with the authorities then in my opinion they should NOT be allowed to demonstrate, full stop.
Also they should pay for the Policing required, I and many others no doubt are really fed up that Brighton & Hove Taxpayers have to pay for outsiders to come and disrupt OUR city just because they fancy a punch up followed by an ice cream on the beach!
Ballroom Blitz
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12:22pm Sat 2 Jun 12
There are all the other days of the year to choose from if you must demonstrate - why should the minority spoil the Jubilee weekend for normal people who want to come to Brighton to go shopping, sit on the beach, or whatever.
Of course it is their right to protest. But to use this 'right' on the Jubilee bank holiday weekend is just plain selfish to the 99% of people who really don't give a toss.
We are far too tolerant of these selfish extremists in Brighton.
Enid jones
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12:31pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Every bank holiday Brighton is invaded by people protesting about something usually totally unconnected to Brighton or its residents together with an invasion of travellers invading our parks and leaving a trail of rubbish when the holiday is over.
This must stop. Every resident should be able to enjoy their weekend without putting up with this. Visitors are now avoiding Brighton because they are frightened of being caught up in such demonstrations.
Could the people who purport to be in charge of our city please consult with all parties to reach a practical solution to this problem?
The greens have absolutely no mandate to invite demonstrators to the city and to allow them to camp in our public spaces.
Please, please let Brighton become a pleasant place to which visitors can come without facing this sort of issue.
number_6
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12:46pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Enid jones wrote:I couldn't agree more. Why should local residents have their taxes used to support this trash. Kettle them and then turn the hoses on.
It is time that something was done to enable the police to prevent these demonstrations and to stop Brighton residents being forced to pay the additional policing costs.
Every bank holiday Brighton is invaded by people protesting about something usually totally unconnected to Brighton or its residents together with an invasion of travellers invading our parks and leaving a trail of rubbish when the holiday is over.
This must stop. Every resident should be able to enjoy their weekend without putting up with this. Visitors are now avoiding Brighton because they are frightened of being caught up in such demonstrations.
Could the people who purport to be in charge of our city please consult with all parties to reach a practical solution to this problem?
The greens have absolutely no mandate to invite demonstrators to the city and to allow them to camp in our public spaces.
Please, please let Brighton become a pleasant place to which visitors can come without facing this sort of issue.
mtmoocher
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12:46pm Sat 2 Jun 12
.............
Oh, that will be none then!
Busterblister
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1:18pm Sat 2 Jun 12
rity whatever.....
juleshove
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1:47pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Please whoever voted green, dont do it again !
MuammarQaddafi
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1:51pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Tom V
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2:12pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Liaising with the police would have been a sign that these troublemakers are serious about not wanting to disrupt others by holding a peaceful demonstration. Sadly, experience has shown us that peace is the last thing on their minds.
We'll also be avoiding Brighton on Monday and taking our money elsewhere.
Ballroom Blitz
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2:20pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Tom V wrote:I don't think Tom V will be the only person that feels this way.
I would be in Brighton with my family today, spending money with local traders and at local attractions and using the local buses. These non-locals have made me avoid the city as I don't want to risk my family getting hurt, nor be worried that we won't get home because of disruption to buses.
Liaising with the police would have been a sign that these troublemakers are serious about not wanting to disrupt others by holding a peaceful demonstration. Sadly, experience has shown us that peace is the last thing on their minds.
We'll also be avoiding Brighton on Monday and taking our money elsewhere.
Tolerance is a two-way street.
I tolerate demos when the date chosen is not solely picked to cause the maximum amount of chaos within the city centre.
I DO NOT tolerate ANY violence or anti social behaviour regardless of the cause - be it left or right wing, anarchist, nazi or Smash EDO.
elainepkils
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2:44pm Sat 2 Jun 12
menowhere
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2:54pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Ballroom Blitz
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2:55pm Sat 2 Jun 12
elainepkils wrote:There's no 'stamping on people's liberties' to force them choose a different day or weekend to make their protest.
What about free speech,why should protesters be stopped,as long as they do it peacefully. Afterall this is England and not Syria,wecertainly do not want authority stamping down on peoples liberties. If you are living confortably then you can celebrate any holidays,but many live in cardboard boxes and have nohomes to go to. .
The homeless argument is meaningless in this context.
Brighton should be open to all. Not just to those who want to cause trouble on a bank holiday weekend.
Retired Loon in Brighton
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3:14pm Sat 2 Jun 12
The 'Stop Dunking Rich Tea Biscuit Brigade' might be outraged if the 'Justice for Cous Cous rebels' get more media coverage than them.
All seems a bit expensive for so pointless as having collective tantrums in front of uninterested members of the public who just want to forget about work for a bit and maybe have an ice cream..
mtmoocher
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4:41pm Sat 2 Jun 12
elainepkils
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4:42pm Sat 2 Jun 12
mtmoocher
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4:47pm Sat 2 Jun 12
elainepkils wrote:Top comment!
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
rolivan
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4:59pm Sat 2 Jun 12
mtmoocher wrote:So why are people having to live in cardboard boxes.I wouldn't allow any friend of mine to live in a cardboard box.
elainepkils wrote:Top comment!
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
Retired Loon in Brighton
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5:00pm Sat 2 Jun 12
That way you will end up a mile away from them and you'll have their shoes.
rolivan
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5:05pm Sat 2 Jun 12
rolivan wrote:Oh and I forgot something else there used to be a facility at the Brighton General where people could sleep for the night it was known as the Spike what happened to it?Protesting through the Streets of Brighton are not going to achieve the same results as bringing Westminster to a standstill that is where the Power is.
mtmoocher wrote:So why are people having to live in cardboard boxes.I wouldn't allow any friend of mine to live in a cardboard box.
elainepkils wrote:Top comment!
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
St.John-Cholmondeley-Featherstonehaugh
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5:18pm Sat 2 Jun 12
High visibility tabards, baseball caps and some sort of "boiler" suit - their sartorial style was somewhat less than those employed to clean our beach (and what a splendid job they do (cleaning the beach that is)).
How can the constabulary install a sense of respect amongst hoi polloi when they so resemble them.
Can we see the return of proper uniform and the white helmet please.
Wendywoodlandh
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5:26pm Sat 2 Jun 12
AmboGuy
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5:27pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Andy R
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5:34pm Sat 2 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:Duh. Today's events are nothing to do with Smash EDO. Do try to keep up.
Hmm not seeing much support at all here for SmashEDO, I guess I'm no the only one sick to death of these thugs invading my town.
another 1
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6:18pm Sat 2 Jun 12
A busy bank holiday weekend should bring extra business - I used to look forward to them. Now, I see a huge drop in passing trade as people avoid effected streets / said streets are blocked off. These markets have to be booked MONTHS in advance, sometimes up to a year- yet a protest seems to be arranged within a days notice.
It loses me money, and I feel forced to apologise on the state of Brighton when customers comment on the protests they've just witnessed. Visitors should have fun memories of Brighton which make them want to return, shop more, remember the traders they've purchased from in the past - not memories of drunks, demonstrations & police blockades.
AmboGuy
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6:44pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Andy R wrote:Duh. I didn't mention 'todays events' did I? Read the story properly (I'll quote it to make it a bit simpler for you) - "On Monday, anti-arms group Smash EDO is holding a demonstration against the possibility of a war in Iran.
AmboGuy wrote:Duh. Today's events are nothing to do with Smash EDO. Do try to keep up.
Hmm not seeing much support at all here for SmashEDO, I guess I'm no the only one sick to death of these thugs invading my town.
Supporters are planning to meet in North Street at midday and march to Hove Town Hall.
Caroline Lucas, the Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, published a letter yesterday encouraging all those protesting to “behave peacefully."
Hope that helps. Do try and keep up Andy. PS - who do you work for again?
former squatter
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7:11pm Sat 2 Jun 12
george smith
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7:25pm Sat 2 Jun 12
PorkBoat
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7:31pm Sat 2 Jun 12
former squatter wrote:What a load of hyperbolics.
it's a bit sad how utterly outraged people are at the possibility of their shopping being disrupted whilst weapons manufacturing, racist football hooligans invading their town and the uber rich fleecing the country doesn't anger them. If you 'couldn't give a toss' that's your problem, you'll go to your graves not only having never stood up for your principles but, worse having never even had any....as the tories rip the welfare state to shreds, as brighton-made bombs eviscerate foreign children and as ultra-right wing hooligans attempt to tear communities apart you ... carry on shopping, whilst reserving your anger for anyone who actually has principles. You're a politicians dream, you'll bend over and take whatever they give you whilst slating those who won't...
The Baron Pepperpot
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8:02pm Sat 2 Jun 12
JHunty
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10:25pm Sat 2 Jun 12
former squatter wrote:Prove your claim that bombs are being made in Brighton, prove it now, put a link on this thread to some proof of what you are saying... go on prove that bombs are being made in Brighton.
it's a bit sad how utterly outraged people are at the possibility of their shopping being disrupted whilst weapons manufacturing, racist football hooligans invading their town and the uber rich fleecing the country doesn't anger them. If you 'couldn't give a toss' that's your problem, you'll go to your graves not only having never stood up for your principles but, worse having never even had any....as the tories rip the welfare state to shreds, as brighton-made bombs eviscerate foreign children and as ultra-right wing hooligans attempt to tear communities apart you ... carry on shopping, whilst reserving your anger for anyone who actually has principles. You're a politicians dream, you'll bend over and take whatever they give you whilst slating those who won't...
Andy R
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10:39pm Sat 2 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:You seem to have lost it completely. This "quote" appears nowhere in this article. There is no mention of Smash EDO whatsoever.
Andy R wrote:Duh. I didn't mention 'todays events' did I? Read the story properly (I'll quote it to make it a bit simpler for you) - "On Monday, anti-arms group Smash EDO is holding a demonstration against the possibility of a war in Iran. Supporters are planning to meet in North Street at midday and march to Hove Town Hall. Caroline Lucas, the Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, published a letter yesterday encouraging all those protesting to “behave peacefully." Hope that helps. Do try and keep up Andy. PS - who do you work for again?AmboGuy wrote: Hmm not seeing much support at all here for SmashEDO, I guess I'm no the only one sick to death of these thugs invading my town.Duh. Today's events are nothing to do with Smash EDO. Do try to keep up.
You're so obssessed with Smash EDO, with what I do for a living, and so clearly smarting at your mates' second utter humiliation in 5 weeks, that you've stopped making any sense whatsover.
Maybe a long lie-down in a darkened room would help....
Andy R
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10:42pm Sat 2 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:You seem to have lost it completely. This "quote" appears nowhere in this article. There is no mention of Smash EDO whatsoever.
Andy R wrote:Duh. I didn't mention 'todays events' did I? Read the story properly (I'll quote it to make it a bit simpler for you) - "On Monday, anti-arms group Smash EDO is holding a demonstration against the possibility of a war in Iran. Supporters are planning to meet in North Street at midday and march to Hove Town Hall. Caroline Lucas, the Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, published a letter yesterday encouraging all those protesting to “behave peacefully." Hope that helps. Do try and keep up Andy. PS - who do you work for again?AmboGuy wrote: Hmm not seeing much support at all here for SmashEDO, I guess I'm no the only one sick to death of these thugs invading my town.Duh. Today's events are nothing to do with Smash EDO. Do try to keep up.
You're so obssessed with Smash EDO, with what I do for a living, and so clearly smarting at your mates' second utter humiliation in 5 weeks, that you've stopped making any sense whatsover.
Maybe a long lie-down in a darkened room would help....
MPC1000
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10:53pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Andy R wrote:Duh. The Anti-Facist lot _are_ the Smash EDO lot.
AmboGuy wrote:Duh. Today's events are nothing to do with Smash EDO. Do try to keep up.
Hmm not seeing much support at all here for SmashEDO, I guess I'm no the only one sick to death of these thugs invading my town.
hubby
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11:17pm Sat 2 Jun 12
Bristol VR
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12:27am Sun 3 Jun 12
AmboGuy
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1:40am Sun 3 Jun 12
Andy R wrote:Maybe that's because (as you well know) they've now updated the article and completely changed the content!
AmboGuy wrote:You seem to have lost it completely. This "quote" appears nowhere in this article. There is no mention of Smash EDO whatsoever.
Andy R wrote:Duh. I didn't mention 'todays events' did I? Read the story properly (I'll quote it to make it a bit simpler for you) - "On Monday, anti-arms group Smash EDO is holding a demonstration against the possibility of a war in Iran. Supporters are planning to meet in North Street at midday and march to Hove Town Hall. Caroline Lucas, the Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, published a letter yesterday encouraging all those protesting to “behave peacefully." Hope that helps. Do try and keep up Andy. PS - who do you work for again?AmboGuy wrote: Hmm not seeing much support at all here for SmashEDO, I guess I'm no the only one sick to death of these thugs invading my town.Duh. Today's events are nothing to do with Smash EDO. Do try to keep up.
You're so obssessed with Smash EDO, with what I do for a living, and so clearly smarting at your mates' second utter humiliation in 5 weeks, that you've stopped making any sense whatsover.
Maybe a long lie-down in a darkened room would help....
I copied and pasted the quote from the original article posted this morning!
Cheap shot Andy - you can do better than that.
Btw - What is this 2nd utter humiliation in 5 weeks time? Could you explain please? Nope thought not.
Public sector traitor.
willy harris
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4:45am Sun 3 Jun 12
MuammarQaddafi wrote:with a name like you are using to comment here ,so is the middle east!my advice is if you want to hide your name,get out.or publish the real one so people know who they are dealing with,
@Enid jones: You have tradition against you, unfortunately. The Prince Regent liked coming here to let his hair down and groove, and people from all over Britain have followed suit ever since. If you can't put up with it but still like the South Coast, Eastbourne and Hastings beckon.
kemptownmassive
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6:09am Sun 3 Jun 12
Metro Reader
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6:44am Sun 3 Jun 12
I wonder why they were at Churchill Square, it is Private Property.
JHunty
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6:47am Sun 3 Jun 12
Bristol VR wrote:Thats exactly the point many of us our making. We don't need the UAF and Smashedo using violence to suppress the democratic rights of other citizens to protest and to free speech. The extremist doctrines of both the left and the right are routinely rejected by the citizens of this country at the ballot box. It doesn't mean people don't have principles, it shows quite clearly that they do. We don't need people claiming to be acting on our behalf fighting in the streets.
This so called report and all of the hotheaded comments on it are all hot air and twaddle!. People have died for this country to protect the right of free speech.. be it what you agree with or what you don't. I would rather have it that way than someone dictate to me what I can and cannot say!
As it is the far left in this country that has an explicit agenda of wanting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with communism, we perhaps have more to fear from them than from the right wing, they certainly have shown a complete disdain for the rights of others in recent weeks in Brighton.
mimseycal
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7:32am Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott
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7:40am Sun 3 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:"Btw - What is this 2nd utter humiliation in 5 weeks time? Could you explain please? Nope thought not."
Andy R wrote:Maybe that's because (as you well know) they've now updated the article and completely changed the content!
AmboGuy wrote:You seem to have lost it completely. This "quote" appears nowhere in this article. There is no mention of Smash EDO whatsoever.
Andy R wrote:Duh. I didn't mention 'todays events' did I? Read the story properly (I'll quote it to make it a bit simpler for you) - "On Monday, anti-arms group Smash EDO is holding a demonstration against the possibility of a war in Iran. Supporters are planning to meet in North Street at midday and march to Hove Town Hall. Caroline Lucas, the Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, published a letter yesterday encouraging all those protesting to “behave peacefully." Hope that helps. Do try and keep up Andy. PS - who do you work for again?AmboGuy wrote: Hmm not seeing much support at all here for SmashEDO, I guess I'm no the only one sick to death of these thugs invading my town.Duh. Today's events are nothing to do with Smash EDO. Do try to keep up.
You're so obssessed with Smash EDO, with what I do for a living, and so clearly smarting at your mates' second utter humiliation in 5 weeks, that you've stopped making any sense whatsover.
Maybe a long lie-down in a darkened room would help....
I copied and pasted the quote from the original article posted this morning!
Cheap shot Andy - you can do better than that.
Btw - What is this 2nd utter humiliation in 5 weeks time? Could you explain please? Nope thought not.
Public sector traitor.
I'd try reading what he said again then you might get what he means without him having to explain.
gaz scott
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7:53am Sun 3 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:Always worthy of thought.
I think that people need to go have a lie down in a quiet dark room somewhere and spend some time thinking about the concept of Free Speech.
But I think we also need to think about the difference between free-speech and a politically motivated, provocative pub-crawl.
JHunty
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8:17am Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:I don't think you are the best person to be lecturing us about free speech Gaz.
mimseycal wrote:Always worthy of thought.
I think that people need to go have a lie down in a quiet dark room somewhere and spend some time thinking about the concept of Free Speech.
But I think we also need to think about the difference between free-speech and a politically motivated, provocative pub-crawl.
mimseycal
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8:18am Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott
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8:21am Sun 3 Jun 12
JHunty wrote:Why? Because I objected to your lie?
gaz scott wrote:I don't think you are the best person to be lecturing us about free speech Gaz.
mimseycal wrote:Always worthy of thought.
I think that people need to go have a lie down in a quiet dark room somewhere and spend some time thinking about the concept of Free Speech.
But I think we also need to think about the difference between free-speech and a politically motivated, provocative pub-crawl.
There are laws in place to differentiate between the right to free speech and the right for anyone to publish what they know to be a lie.
But if you disagree please let me know and why you think it is OK to make up things and post them as truth.
JHunty
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8:33am Sun 3 Jun 12
As we can see from the post by former squatter above, Smashedo supporters consistently struggle with facts, and still claim completely incorrectly that bombs are being made in Brighton. Or we could take Zrfaus claim that our government has involved us in wars in which millions of civilians have been killed, that isn't true, its not a fact its a piece of over emotive nonsense designed to justify a campaign of illegality.
Another fact is that if it was not for people like me holding Smashedo to account for their violence and brain dead tactics of causing as much disruption as possible, they would not have changed their tactics for Mondays march. No need to thank me Gaz.
gaz scott
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8:47am Sun 3 Jun 12
JHunty wrote:You had posted for some time about a 10 year old girl being hit by a bottle - a claim that the EDL were pushing to the limit even faking some pictures. I argued against these claims even when you started to claim that SmashEDO were somehow indirectly responsible.
You see Gaz, you constantly claiming that I post lies on here is a defamatory statement and is against the rules concerning posting on this site. Its also an offence for which I could take you to court. However, unlike yourself, I don't feel the need to try and get you banned or censored. I am happy for people to judge us on the quality of our posts. You see me claiming correctly that Smashedo organised the opposition to the MFE and that due to that opposition a ten year old girl was injured is a fact. You whining that it is a lie isn't a fact.
As we can see from the post by former squatter above, Smashedo supporters consistently struggle with facts, and still claim completely incorrectly that bombs are being made in Brighton. Or we could take Zrfaus claim that our government has involved us in wars in which millions of civilians have been killed, that isn't true, its not a fact its a piece of over emotive nonsense designed to justify a campaign of illegality.
Another fact is that if it was not for people like me holding Smashedo to account for their violence and brain dead tactics of causing as much disruption as possible, they would not have changed their tactics for Mondays march. No need to thank me Gaz.
You then pushed this to the limit by making the claim that "SmashEDO beat up a 10 year old girl". That is different. It is an obvious attempt to defame. It is a lie.
In the same post you name an individual who had nothing to do with the article. Something you have still not justified.
mimseycal
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9:14am Sun 3 Jun 12
jmbrighton
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9:40am Sun 3 Jun 12
elainepkils wrote:Quite right, freedom of speech should be encouraged.
What about free speech,why should protesters be stopped,as long as they do it peacefully. Afterall this is England and not Syria,wecertainly do not want authority stamping down on peoples liberties. If you are living confortably then you can celebrate any holidays,but many live in cardboard boxes and have nohomes to go to. .
Unfortunately the mob in town yesterday were not really practising free speech they were demonstrating some worrying elements of homophobia combined with violent abusive behaviour not the kind of free speech I would subscribe to.
They were intimidating to innocent families trying to enjoy a day out shopping or wandering around the seafront. You might not have witnessed this but I certainly did.
If they can’t practise free speech with the necessary rules then they should go elsewhere. We don’t want them here, they achieve nothing of value other than give a bad name to true protestors with a clear objective.
egym64
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9:46am Sun 3 Jun 12
Enid jones wrote:Totally agree!
It is time that something was done to enable the police to prevent these demonstrations and to stop Brighton residents being forced to pay the additional policing costs.
Every bank holiday Brighton is invaded by people protesting about something usually totally unconnected to Brighton or its residents together with an invasion of travellers invading our parks and leaving a trail of rubbish when the holiday is over.
This must stop. Every resident should be able to enjoy their weekend without putting up with this. Visitors are now avoiding Brighton because they are frightened of being caught up in such demonstrations.
Could the people who purport to be in charge of our city please consult with all parties to reach a practical solution to this problem?
The greens have absolutely no mandate to invite demonstrators to the city and to allow them to camp in our public spaces.
Please, please let Brighton become a pleasant place to which visitors can come without facing this sort of issue.
jmbrighton
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9:49am Sun 3 Jun 12
elainepkils wrote:Although it is not to my taste, this Jubilee business clearly interests a good number of people... but I can’t see how it has taken over Brighton, it seems pretty low key to me.
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
As far as I know there is nothing to stop us commoners enjoying a celebratory weekend, you just need to organise one. If it is peaceful and well organised I’m sure it would be a welcome treat.
JHunty
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9:50am Sun 3 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:We always do at the Christmas party thats held for all the people that post on The Argus website, a few Baileys, a bit of mistletoe and we are away!
Why don't you two get a room somewhere?
mr busy
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9:52am Sun 3 Jun 12
deanaprior
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9:55am Sun 3 Jun 12
I was in Brighton and there were lots of police some sort of musical protest at the Clock Tower and 18 arrests most for drug offences a typical Saturday probably.
egym64
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9:55am Sun 3 Jun 12
PorkBoat wrote:So go and protest at Westminster or 10 downing street. Not down a busy street primarily used for shopping and drinking coffee.
former squatter wrote:What a load of hyperbolics.
it's a bit sad how utterly outraged people are at the possibility of their shopping being disrupted whilst weapons manufacturing, racist football hooligans invading their town and the uber rich fleecing the country doesn't anger them. If you 'couldn't give a toss' that's your problem, you'll go to your graves not only having never stood up for your principles but, worse having never even had any....as the tories rip the welfare state to shreds, as brighton-made bombs eviscerate foreign children and as ultra-right wing hooligans attempt to tear communities apart you ... carry on shopping, whilst reserving your anger for anyone who actually has principles. You're a politicians dream, you'll bend over and take whatever they give you whilst slating those who won't...
hubby
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9:59am Sun 3 Jun 12
You need to start getting along together before it's too late.
Forget your prejudices,help each other and pull together to make the world a better place.
Look after the weak,sick and poor or the we will hate our way out of existance.
Love is the only way forward.
egym64
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10:00am Sun 3 Jun 12
PorkBoat wrote:So go and protest at Westminster or 10 downing street. Not down a busy street primarily used for shopping and drinking coffee.
former squatter wrote:What a load of hyperbolics.
it's a bit sad how utterly outraged people are at the possibility of their shopping being disrupted whilst weapons manufacturing, racist football hooligans invading their town and the uber rich fleecing the country doesn't anger them. If you 'couldn't give a toss' that's your problem, you'll go to your graves not only having never stood up for your principles but, worse having never even had any....as the tories rip the welfare state to shreds, as brighton-made bombs eviscerate foreign children and as ultra-right wing hooligans attempt to tear communities apart you ... carry on shopping, whilst reserving your anger for anyone who actually has principles. You're a politicians dream, you'll bend over and take whatever they give you whilst slating those who won't...
JHunty
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10:00am Sun 3 Jun 12
jmbrighton wrote:Here you go, 5 seconds searching on the The Argus website
elainepkils wrote:Although it is not to my taste, this Jubilee business clearly interests a good number of people... but I can’t see how it has taken over Brighton, it seems pretty low key to me.
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
As far as I know there is nothing to stop us commoners enjoying a celebratory weekend, you just need to organise one. If it is peaceful and well organised I’m sure it would be a welcome treat.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/search/?search
=linda+catt
How many letters written in support of Smashedo? I really can't be bothered to count them accurately, a few of which mention how she and her Dad attend the Smashedo protests together and how utterly disgusted she is that she is on a police database, so..... mentioning her in relation to an article in which her Dad failed to get his details removed from the police's database is actually completely relevant.
They make a point of being a father and daughter team, she expresses her disgust at being on the police database for attending protests with her dad, I ask why she given the way she feels she didn't join him in his law suit.... its not rocket science.
JHunty
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10:03am Sun 3 Jun 12
mimseycal
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10:18am Sun 3 Jun 12
Further, note to all second hand car buyers ... steer clear of this one. You might be buying more then you bargained for
gaz scott
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10:48am Sun 3 Jun 12
JHunty wrote:No it's not rocket science. Getting blood out of a stone maybe.
jmbrighton wrote:Here you go, 5 seconds searching on the The Argus website
elainepkils wrote:Although it is not to my taste, this Jubilee business clearly interests a good number of people... but I can’t see how it has taken over Brighton, it seems pretty low key to me.
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
As far as I know there is nothing to stop us commoners enjoying a celebratory weekend, you just need to organise one. If it is peaceful and well organised I’m sure it would be a welcome treat.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/search/?search
=linda+catt
How many letters written in support of Smashedo? I really can't be bothered to count them accurately, a few of which mention how she and her Dad attend the Smashedo protests together and how utterly disgusted she is that she is on a police database, so..... mentioning her in relation to an article in which her Dad failed to get his details removed from the police's database is actually completely relevant.
They make a point of being a father and daughter team, she expresses her disgust at being on the police database for attending protests with her dad, I ask why she given the way she feels she didn't join him in his law suit.... its not rocket science.
I still think it is out of order though since she had no direct connection with the thread but at least you have explained your reasoning at last for which I'm grateful even if I totally disagree!
However if you're going to constantly imply from now on that I am an advocate of censorship as opposed to the removal of a defaming lie I think you should at least explain why the offending statement is not a lie.
I have a list of previous statements that you have not justified or withdrawn (just the usual JHunty silence) after I have said they were untrue - none of which I complained to admin about.
If you really did want to take out legal action against me for calling you a liar I'm all for it.
davyboy
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11:25am Sun 3 Jun 12
B G Gruff
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11:32am Sun 3 Jun 12
fab5482
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12:13pm Sun 3 Jun 12
davyboy wrote:You've got it Daveyboy. It's bad enough with the Greens (I'm ashamed to say I voted for them, but will never again) ruining Brighton, without having all these demos.
you notice they don't protest away from the seaside though. i can't imagine they would go to yeovil town centre and protest there. all it is is a jolly to the seaside, upset some locals and sit on the beach. don't they realise no one actually cares about their cause, just about the aggro they bring with them. local traders will be out of pocket, as so many people will go elsewhere to spend their money
AmboGuy
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12:46pm Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:Gaz, you've been beaten fair and square. Give up on this particular argument before the hole you're digging for yourself becomes too huge to get out of.
JHunty wrote:No it's not rocket science. Getting blood out of a stone maybe.
jmbrighton wrote:Here you go, 5 seconds searching on the The Argus website
elainepkils wrote:Although it is not to my taste, this Jubilee business clearly interests a good number of people... but I can’t see how it has taken over Brighton, it seems pretty low key to me.
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
As far as I know there is nothing to stop us commoners enjoying a celebratory weekend, you just need to organise one. If it is peaceful and well organised I’m sure it would be a welcome treat.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/search/?search
=linda+catt
How many letters written in support of Smashedo? I really can't be bothered to count them accurately, a few of which mention how she and her Dad attend the Smashedo protests together and how utterly disgusted she is that she is on a police database, so..... mentioning her in relation to an article in which her Dad failed to get his details removed from the police's database is actually completely relevant.
They make a point of being a father and daughter team, she expresses her disgust at being on the police database for attending protests with her dad, I ask why she given the way she feels she didn't join him in his law suit.... its not rocket science.
I still think it is out of order though since she had no direct connection with the thread but at least you have explained your reasoning at last for which I'm grateful even if I totally disagree!
However if you're going to constantly imply from now on that I am an advocate of censorship as opposed to the removal of a defaming lie I think you should at least explain why the offending statement is not a lie.
I have a list of previous statements that you have not justified or withdrawn (just the usual JHunty silence) after I have said they were untrue - none of which I complained to admin about.
If you really did want to take out legal action against me for calling you a liar I'm all for it.
The more you come on here quoting terms like 'defaming lie' and 'offending statement' the more you really look like a spoilt little brat you throws his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his way.
I'm half expecting you to try and get this post removed.
Censorship is alive and well in Gaz's world!
gaz scott
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1:16pm Sun 3 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:No Ambo I never complain about Trolls' posts.
gaz scott wrote:Gaz, you've been beaten fair and square. Give up on this particular argument before the hole you're digging for yourself becomes too huge to get out of.
JHunty wrote:No it's not rocket science. Getting blood out of a stone maybe.
jmbrighton wrote:Here you go, 5 seconds searching on the The Argus website
elainepkils wrote:Although it is not to my taste, this Jubilee business clearly interests a good number of people... but I can’t see how it has taken over Brighton, it seems pretty low key to me.
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
As far as I know there is nothing to stop us commoners enjoying a celebratory weekend, you just need to organise one. If it is peaceful and well organised I’m sure it would be a welcome treat.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/search/?search
=linda+catt
How many letters written in support of Smashedo? I really can't be bothered to count them accurately, a few of which mention how she and her Dad attend the Smashedo protests together and how utterly disgusted she is that she is on a police database, so..... mentioning her in relation to an article in which her Dad failed to get his details removed from the police's database is actually completely relevant.
They make a point of being a father and daughter team, she expresses her disgust at being on the police database for attending protests with her dad, I ask why she given the way she feels she didn't join him in his law suit.... its not rocket science.
I still think it is out of order though since she had no direct connection with the thread but at least you have explained your reasoning at last for which I'm grateful even if I totally disagree!
However if you're going to constantly imply from now on that I am an advocate of censorship as opposed to the removal of a defaming lie I think you should at least explain why the offending statement is not a lie.
I have a list of previous statements that you have not justified or withdrawn (just the usual JHunty silence) after I have said they were untrue - none of which I complained to admin about.
If you really did want to take out legal action against me for calling you a liar I'm all for it.
The more you come on here quoting terms like 'defaming lie' and 'offending statement' the more you really look like a spoilt little brat you throws his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his way.
I'm half expecting you to try and get this post removed.
Censorship is alive and well in Gaz's world!
Your contribution to the previous thread (as discussed on this one) was almost a Masterclass in classic Trolling technique.
But that's my last bit of troll food gone now so best go looking elsewhere.
sdhgfhfuyt
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1:31pm Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:the words 'keyboard warrior losers' spring to mind
AmboGuy wrote:No Ambo I never complain about Trolls' posts.
gaz scott wrote:Gaz, you've been beaten fair and square. Give up on this particular argument before the hole you're digging for yourself becomes too huge to get out of.
JHunty wrote:No it's not rocket science. Getting blood out of a stone maybe.
jmbrighton wrote:Here you go, 5 seconds searching on the The Argus website
elainepkils wrote:Although it is not to my taste, this Jubilee business clearly interests a good number of people... but I can’t see how it has taken over Brighton, it seems pretty low key to me.
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
As far as I know there is nothing to stop us commoners enjoying a celebratory weekend, you just need to organise one. If it is peaceful and well organised I’m sure it would be a welcome treat.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/search/?search
=linda+catt
How many letters written in support of Smashedo? I really can't be bothered to count them accurately, a few of which mention how she and her Dad attend the Smashedo protests together and how utterly disgusted she is that she is on a police database, so..... mentioning her in relation to an article in which her Dad failed to get his details removed from the police's database is actually completely relevant.
They make a point of being a father and daughter team, she expresses her disgust at being on the police database for attending protests with her dad, I ask why she given the way she feels she didn't join him in his law suit.... its not rocket science.
I still think it is out of order though since she had no direct connection with the thread but at least you have explained your reasoning at last for which I'm grateful even if I totally disagree!
However if you're going to constantly imply from now on that I am an advocate of censorship as opposed to the removal of a defaming lie I think you should at least explain why the offending statement is not a lie.
I have a list of previous statements that you have not justified or withdrawn (just the usual JHunty silence) after I have said they were untrue - none of which I complained to admin about.
If you really did want to take out legal action against me for calling you a liar I'm all for it.
The more you come on here quoting terms like 'defaming lie' and 'offending statement' the more you really look like a spoilt little brat you throws his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his way.
I'm half expecting you to try and get this post removed.
Censorship is alive and well in Gaz's world!
Your contribution to the previous thread (as discussed on this one) was almost a Masterclass in classic Trolling technique.
But that's my last bit of troll food gone now so best go looking elsewhere.
AmboGuy
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1:38pm Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:Hmm funny how whenever you get a reply you don't know how to respond to you say 'oh well it's just trolling'.
AmboGuy wrote:No Ambo I never complain about Trolls' posts.
gaz scott wrote:Gaz, you've been beaten fair and square. Give up on this particular argument before the hole you're digging for yourself becomes too huge to get out of.
JHunty wrote:No it's not rocket science. Getting blood out of a stone maybe.
jmbrighton wrote:Here you go, 5 seconds searching on the The Argus website
elainepkils wrote:Although it is not to my taste, this Jubilee business clearly interests a good number of people... but I can’t see how it has taken over Brighton, it seems pretty low key to me.
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
As far as I know there is nothing to stop us commoners enjoying a celebratory weekend, you just need to organise one. If it is peaceful and well organised I’m sure it would be a welcome treat.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/search/?search
=linda+catt
How many letters written in support of Smashedo? I really can't be bothered to count them accurately, a few of which mention how she and her Dad attend the Smashedo protests together and how utterly disgusted she is that she is on a police database, so..... mentioning her in relation to an article in which her Dad failed to get his details removed from the police's database is actually completely relevant.
They make a point of being a father and daughter team, she expresses her disgust at being on the police database for attending protests with her dad, I ask why she given the way she feels she didn't join him in his law suit.... its not rocket science.
I still think it is out of order though since she had no direct connection with the thread but at least you have explained your reasoning at last for which I'm grateful even if I totally disagree!
However if you're going to constantly imply from now on that I am an advocate of censorship as opposed to the removal of a defaming lie I think you should at least explain why the offending statement is not a lie.
I have a list of previous statements that you have not justified or withdrawn (just the usual JHunty silence) after I have said they were untrue - none of which I complained to admin about.
If you really did want to take out legal action against me for calling you a liar I'm all for it.
The more you come on here quoting terms like 'defaming lie' and 'offending statement' the more you really look like a spoilt little brat you throws his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his way.
I'm half expecting you to try and get this post removed.
Censorship is alive and well in Gaz's world!
Your contribution to the previous thread (as discussed on this one) was almost a Masterclass in classic Trolling technique.
But that's my last bit of troll food gone now so best go looking elsewhere.
Try and do better next time, or just give up.
JHunty
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1:59pm Sun 3 Jun 12
If you can't see that the level of violence that was aimed at a march consisting of people exercising the same rights you have constantly claimed for your self was wrong, then I really do feel sorry for your lack of humanity.
I can't recall ever having withdrawn any statements I have made on here about Smashedo, you might not like what I say but I actually bother researching what I put on here. Simply not liking what someone says does not make whats been said a lie, this is where you seem to be getting confused.
As for your claim that I do not respond to your challenges, the thing is Gaz, I have never felt challenged by you.....
You didn't even know that Smashedo doesn't exist in a legal sense and so can't be libelled.
The fact is that you did ask for my post to be removed on the false grounds that it was libellous.
I won't take you to court at the moment, your petty insults don't bother me that much, you register Smashedo as a legal entity, say a charity or something then you can take me to court. Im not the one complaining you are, so go do something about it. You won't of course because that means that Smashedo could be held accountable for their actions which is something they are desperate to avoid.
papa_melons
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2:19pm Sun 3 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:and you, what will you do, other than throw immature playground style insults ?
gaz scott wrote:Hmm funny how whenever you get a reply you don't know how to respond to you say 'oh well it's just trolling'.
AmboGuy wrote:No Ambo I never complain about Trolls' posts.
gaz scott wrote:Gaz, you've been beaten fair and square. Give up on this particular argument before the hole you're digging for yourself becomes too huge to get out of.
JHunty wrote:No it's not rocket science. Getting blood out of a stone maybe.
jmbrighton wrote:Here you go, 5 seconds searching on the The Argus website
elainepkils wrote:Although it is not to my taste, this Jubilee business clearly interests a good number of people... but I can’t see how it has taken over Brighton, it seems pretty low key to me.
Where has tolerence gone. Why have the jubilee taking over the town. We pay enough taxes at the moment to keep the rich royalty with great advantages. How about a weekend celebrating us 'Commoners'.I dont want to be a killjoy. Yes people do live in cardboard boxes but not for choice. Put yourself in their shoes and dont blame the people coming to this country for work and dont put them in one basket, Have compassion for others.
As far as I know there is nothing to stop us commoners enjoying a celebratory weekend, you just need to organise one. If it is peaceful and well organised I’m sure it would be a welcome treat.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/search/?search
=linda+catt
How many letters written in support of Smashedo? I really can't be bothered to count them accurately, a few of which mention how she and her Dad attend the Smashedo protests together and how utterly disgusted she is that she is on a police database, so..... mentioning her in relation to an article in which her Dad failed to get his details removed from the police's database is actually completely relevant.
They make a point of being a father and daughter team, she expresses her disgust at being on the police database for attending protests with her dad, I ask why she given the way she feels she didn't join him in his law suit.... its not rocket science.
I still think it is out of order though since she had no direct connection with the thread but at least you have explained your reasoning at last for which I'm grateful even if I totally disagree!
However if you're going to constantly imply from now on that I am an advocate of censorship as opposed to the removal of a defaming lie I think you should at least explain why the offending statement is not a lie.
I have a list of previous statements that you have not justified or withdrawn (just the usual JHunty silence) after I have said they were untrue - none of which I complained to admin about.
If you really did want to take out legal action against me for calling you a liar I'm all for it.
The more you come on here quoting terms like 'defaming lie' and 'offending statement' the more you really look like a spoilt little brat you throws his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his way.
I'm half expecting you to try and get this post removed.
Censorship is alive and well in Gaz's world!
Your contribution to the previous thread (as discussed on this one) was almost a Masterclass in classic Trolling technique.
But that's my last bit of troll food gone now so best go looking elsewhere.
Try and do better next time, or just give up.
mimseycal
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2:29pm Sun 3 Jun 12
Spx
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2:48pm Sun 3 Jun 12
MrCoolDude
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3:08pm Sun 3 Jun 12
Anyone who takes care over their appearance must be "A Queer".
Poor dears. I guess they don't know which way to turn.
gaz scott
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3:20pm Sun 3 Jun 12
JHunty wrote:So is "libel" only a legal term? I'm not an expert but I think you'll find it has a wider meaning.
Im not with drawing my claim that the responsibility for the injuries to the ten year old girl the two police horses and the police officers, lies at the feet of those who put up posters calling on people to oppose the march for England "in any way you feel comfortable with". Which in my opinion is clearly an incitement to violence.
If you can't see that the level of violence that was aimed at a march consisting of people exercising the same rights you have constantly claimed for your self was wrong, then I really do feel sorry for your lack of humanity.
I can't recall ever having withdrawn any statements I have made on here about Smashedo, you might not like what I say but I actually bother researching what I put on here. Simply not liking what someone says does not make whats been said a lie, this is where you seem to be getting confused.
As for your claim that I do not respond to your challenges, the thing is Gaz, I have never felt challenged by you.....
You didn't even know that Smashedo doesn't exist in a legal sense and so can't be libelled.
The fact is that you did ask for my post to be removed on the false grounds that it was libellous.
I won't take you to court at the moment, your petty insults don't bother me that much, you register Smashedo as a legal entity, say a charity or something then you can take me to court. Im not the one complaining you are, so go do something about it. You won't of course because that means that Smashedo could be held accountable for their actions which is something they are desperate to avoid.
I'm not even sure you are right because for example Mr. Catt has been associated with SmashEDO very publicly so he could maybe sue on behalf of SmashEDO. But I'm in the realms of guesswork here and can't be bothered to look it up since I can't recall mentioning court action to you initially - that was just AmboGuy trying his usual stunts saying I was being over-dramatic. Trolls eh what can you do?
If I knew JHunty was your real name I would make exactly the same claim again and (more importantly) give you my real name and say exactly the same things.
You say I have a lack of humanity but let's look at some facts.
1. I am the only person on here who has condemned throwing objects on both sides at the EDL demo. You continually refuse to accept that objects were thrown from the march itself.
2. You said that I blamed the police for the violence at the EDL march. I didn't and you refused to apologise or admit you were wrong despite being asked several times. That makes it a lie.
3. You said an Argus Poll said exactly the opposite of what it actually said. Again despite me repeatedly pointing out you were wrong you refused to acknowledge it.
4. You've never repeated the statement I found so offensive just rephrased what you said before. It suggests some back-peddling from you and I still maintain you lied in making that specific statement.
The way you have slowly built up the case to defame and discredit SmashEDO is obvious. There are other examples that escape me at the moment.
Not responding to a challenge is not the same as not being challenged. I don't know if my posts are challenging to you or not since you always lapse into the trademark silence.
willy harris
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4:11pm Sun 3 Jun 12
clubrob6
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6:57pm Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott
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7:31pm Sun 3 Jun 12
clubrob6 wrote:I don't think anyone was against having a Jubilee party were they. I'm not a Monarchist but the more street parties the better.
What a discrase that churchill square was used for a anti jubilee demonstration.I was up in cumbria the other day and there was flags everywhere i came back to brighton hardly a flag or street party organised so much for a diverse city,or it it got too diverse where you are not allowed to show you are proud to be british in case you offend people.
Any chance to get together and build better relationships with our neighbours and good communities should be encouraged. If the people need Royalty to do that so be it. I'd prefer they just did it anyway but it takes all sorts.
You can't blame the people who did organise a street party if the Royalists didn't bother.
I'm sure there will be some places that did or will have a Jubilee party in Brighton and good luck to them.
mimseycal
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8:01pm Sun 3 Jun 12
clubrob6 wrote:And yet another one with an axe to grind and a bandwagon to follow.
What a discrase that churchill square was used for a anti jubilee demonstration.I was up in cumbria the other day and there was flags everywhere i came back to brighton hardly a flag or street party organised so much for a diverse city,or it it got too diverse where you are not allowed to show you are proud to be british in case you offend people.
AmboGuy
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9:34pm Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:Christ you're getting rather like a scratched record now.
JHunty wrote:So is "libel" only a legal term? I'm not an expert but I think you'll find it has a wider meaning.
Im not with drawing my claim that the responsibility for the injuries to the ten year old girl the two police horses and the police officers, lies at the feet of those who put up posters calling on people to oppose the march for England "in any way you feel comfortable with". Which in my opinion is clearly an incitement to violence.
If you can't see that the level of violence that was aimed at a march consisting of people exercising the same rights you have constantly claimed for your self was wrong, then I really do feel sorry for your lack of humanity.
I can't recall ever having withdrawn any statements I have made on here about Smashedo, you might not like what I say but I actually bother researching what I put on here. Simply not liking what someone says does not make whats been said a lie, this is where you seem to be getting confused.
As for your claim that I do not respond to your challenges, the thing is Gaz, I have never felt challenged by you.....
You didn't even know that Smashedo doesn't exist in a legal sense and so can't be libelled.
The fact is that you did ask for my post to be removed on the false grounds that it was libellous.
I won't take you to court at the moment, your petty insults don't bother me that much, you register Smashedo as a legal entity, say a charity or something then you can take me to court. Im not the one complaining you are, so go do something about it. You won't of course because that means that Smashedo could be held accountable for their actions which is something they are desperate to avoid.
I'm not even sure you are right because for example Mr. Catt has been associated with SmashEDO very publicly so he could maybe sue on behalf of SmashEDO. But I'm in the realms of guesswork here and can't be bothered to look it up since I can't recall mentioning court action to you initially - that was just AmboGuy trying his usual stunts saying I was being over-dramatic. Trolls eh what can you do?
If I knew JHunty was your real name I would make exactly the same claim again and (more importantly) give you my real name and say exactly the same things.
You say I have a lack of humanity but let's look at some facts.
1. I am the only person on here who has condemned throwing objects on both sides at the EDL demo. You continually refuse to accept that objects were thrown from the march itself.
2. You said that I blamed the police for the violence at the EDL march. I didn't and you refused to apologise or admit you were wrong despite being asked several times. That makes it a lie.
3. You said an Argus Poll said exactly the opposite of what it actually said. Again despite me repeatedly pointing out you were wrong you refused to acknowledge it.
4. You've never repeated the statement I found so offensive just rephrased what you said before. It suggests some back-peddling from you and I still maintain you lied in making that specific statement.
The way you have slowly built up the case to defame and discredit SmashEDO is obvious. There are other examples that escape me at the moment.
Not responding to a challenge is not the same as not being challenged. I don't know if my posts are challenging to you or not since you always lapse into the trademark silence.
Give it a rest will you.
Reality50
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10:34pm Sun 3 Jun 12
mimseycal
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10:40pm Sun 3 Jun 12
What? When? Where?
morchdr
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11:26pm Sun 3 Jun 12
JHunty wrote:Don't you mean it was a bunch of right-wing fascists trying to force Brightonians a lesson in patriotic nationalism? What evidence do you have that Smash EDO and UAF are communists trying to overthrow democracy!? On the contrary they appear to be standing up for direct democracy and our freedoms to protest against state violence and the right not to be forced into sycophantic worshiping of priveleged toffs, the ruling elites in government (whether it is left- or right-wing) and the undermining of our communities. So do you seriously believe EDO in Brighton has nothing to do with producing parts for arms and other military equipment used for state violence anywhere in the world!?
Bristol VR wrote:Thats exactly the point many of us our making. We don't need the UAF and Smashedo using violence to suppress the democratic rights of other citizens to protest and to free speech. The extremist doctrines of both the left and the right are routinely rejected by the citizens of this country at the ballot box. It doesn't mean people don't have principles, it shows quite clearly that they do. We don't need people claiming to be acting on our behalf fighting in the streets.
This so called report and all of the hotheaded comments on it are all hot air and twaddle!. People have died for this country to protect the right of free speech.. be it what you agree with or what you don't. I would rather have it that way than someone dictate to me what I can and cannot say!
As it is the far left in this country that has an explicit agenda of wanting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with communism, we perhaps have more to fear from them than from the right wing, they certainly have shown a complete disdain for the rights of others in recent weeks in Brighton.
AmboGuy
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11:34pm Sun 3 Jun 12
morchdr wrote:While I detest MFE and think they talk utter right wing drivel it was still their right to protest. What UAF (with help from SmashEDO when they posted leaflets around town did) was try to suppress that right to protest and to free speech.
JHunty wrote:Don't you mean it was a bunch of right-wing fascists trying to force Brightonians a lesson in patriotic nationalism? What evidence do you have that Smash EDO and UAF are communists trying to overthrow democracy!? On the contrary they appear to be standing up for direct democracy and our freedoms to protest against state violence and the right not to be forced into sycophantic worshiping of priveleged toffs, the ruling elites in government (whether it is left- or right-wing) and the undermining of our communities. So do you seriously believe EDO in Brighton has nothing to do with producing parts for arms and other military equipment used for state violence anywhere in the world!?
Bristol VR wrote:Thats exactly the point many of us our making. We don't need the UAF and Smashedo using violence to suppress the democratic rights of other citizens to protest and to free speech. The extremist doctrines of both the left and the right are routinely rejected by the citizens of this country at the ballot box. It doesn't mean people don't have principles, it shows quite clearly that they do. We don't need people claiming to be acting on our behalf fighting in the streets.
This so called report and all of the hotheaded comments on it are all hot air and twaddle!. People have died for this country to protect the right of free speech.. be it what you agree with or what you don't. I would rather have it that way than someone dictate to me what I can and cannot say!
As it is the far left in this country that has an explicit agenda of wanting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with communism, we perhaps have more to fear from them than from the right wing, they certainly have shown a complete disdain for the rights of others in recent weeks in Brighton.
UAF in the past have asked for marches they don't agree with to be banned while at the same time advocating freedom and democracy. Double standards?
Notice I said 'was' their right to protest. After the violence of last time they should be banned until they can show that they can protest peacefully. That goes for other groups with terrible track records for violence ie SmashEDO and UAF. If you can't behave yourself then stay away.
Trendy lefty
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11:35pm Sun 3 Jun 12
Brighton has slowly but surely been taken over by Guardian reading trendy left, they hate anything patriotic, they hate the Tories, they hate the Police. They only listen to their own point of view, smug & wallowing in their self righteous little world.
There are cuts in place as we have been left a massive debit by Presidents' Blair & Brown. If Brown had continued we would nice be in the same position as Greece.
Grow up little comrades & live in the real world, go cry into your Guardian or Socialist worker along with all the Uni lecturers.
Give Brightonians and our very tolerant Police a break you little idiots. xx
Reality50
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11:49pm Sun 3 Jun 12
gaz scott
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11:57pm Sun 3 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:Wow I actually agree with something Amboguy says. UAF and the SWP do get themselves in a terrible muddle by asking for marches to be banned. I can understand a local community asking the state to ban marches out of fear but a left-wing group asking the state to ban a right-wing march is naive and as you say double standards.
morchdr wrote:While I detest MFE and think they talk utter right wing drivel it was still their right to protest. What UAF (with help from SmashEDO when they posted leaflets around town did) was try to suppress that right to protest and to free speech.
JHunty wrote:Don't you mean it was a bunch of right-wing fascists trying to force Brightonians a lesson in patriotic nationalism? What evidence do you have that Smash EDO and UAF are communists trying to overthrow democracy!? On the contrary they appear to be standing up for direct democracy and our freedoms to protest against state violence and the right not to be forced into sycophantic worshiping of priveleged toffs, the ruling elites in government (whether it is left- or right-wing) and the undermining of our communities. So do you seriously believe EDO in Brighton has nothing to do with producing parts for arms and other military equipment used for state violence anywhere in the world!?
Bristol VR wrote:Thats exactly the point many of us our making. We don't need the UAF and Smashedo using violence to suppress the democratic rights of other citizens to protest and to free speech. The extremist doctrines of both the left and the right are routinely rejected by the citizens of this country at the ballot box. It doesn't mean people don't have principles, it shows quite clearly that they do. We don't need people claiming to be acting on our behalf fighting in the streets.
This so called report and all of the hotheaded comments on it are all hot air and twaddle!. People have died for this country to protect the right of free speech.. be it what you agree with or what you don't. I would rather have it that way than someone dictate to me what I can and cannot say!
As it is the far left in this country that has an explicit agenda of wanting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with communism, we perhaps have more to fear from them than from the right wing, they certainly have shown a complete disdain for the rights of others in recent weeks in Brighton.
UAF in the past have asked for marches they don't agree with to be banned while at the same time advocating freedom and democracy. Double standards?
Notice I said 'was' their right to protest. After the violence of last time they should be banned until they can show that they can protest peacefully. That goes for other groups with terrible track records for violence ie SmashEDO and UAF. If you can't behave yourself then stay away.
But I also think there is a difference between asking the State to intervene or ban a march (as opposed to a provocative and hateful pub crawl which was what occurred yesterday) and the local community mobilising and standing up to confront it on the streets.
But anyone who marches against the Nationalist is automatically called UAF and gets associated with this naivity. Saying that I'm quite prepared to stand side by side with the UAF when confronting racists and homophobes on the street even though I think them asking for marches to be banned is hypocritical and stupid.
Reality50
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11:58pm Sun 3 Jun 12
Trendy lefty
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11:58pm Sun 3 Jun 12
They are probably champagne communists too?
How many thousands of people are murdered by the state each year in Communist countries?...we will probably never know.
Reality50
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12:02am Mon 4 Jun 12
Reality50
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12:08am Mon 4 Jun 12
Trendy lefty
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12:10am Mon 4 Jun 12
I am not a clever person, but i know right from wrong. I also know that the lefties/anarchists/b
rainwashed Uni students jumping on the 'do gooding' bandwagon, only listen to themselves, no do not know how to reason nor do they ever listen to or care about anybody who does not agree with them.
Trendy lefty
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12:21am Mon 4 Jun 12
Jack Hughes
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12:40am Mon 4 Jun 12
morchdr
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2:05am Mon 4 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:I actually agree with you, the UAF should not attempt to oppose freedom of speech by banning anything. It gives the police and state an excuse to ban all democratic rights and freedoms, which is exactly what any totalitarian extremists (left, right, theocratic) want. However, I am happy to join in opposition to any corporate-state entity that helps manufacture instruments of violence. It doesn't mean people who protest against it, condone violence against people in our streets. We should also be able to stand together and protest against right-wing thugs parading up and down Brighton's streets abusing the LGBT community and shouting racial insults at ethnic minorities.
morchdr wrote:While I detest MFE and think they talk utter right wing drivel it was still their right to protest. What UAF (with help from SmashEDO when they posted leaflets around town did) was try to suppress that right to protest and to free speech.
JHunty wrote:Don't you mean it was a bunch of right-wing fascists trying to force Brightonians a lesson in patriotic nationalism? What evidence do you have that Smash EDO and UAF are communists trying to overthrow democracy!? On the contrary they appear to be standing up for direct democracy and our freedoms to protest against state violence and the right not to be forced into sycophantic worshiping of priveleged toffs, the ruling elites in government (whether it is left- or right-wing) and the undermining of our communities. So do you seriously believe EDO in Brighton has nothing to do with producing parts for arms and other military equipment used for state violence anywhere in the world!?
Bristol VR wrote:Thats exactly the point many of us our making. We don't need the UAF and Smashedo using violence to suppress the democratic rights of other citizens to protest and to free speech. The extremist doctrines of both the left and the right are routinely rejected by the citizens of this country at the ballot box. It doesn't mean people don't have principles, it shows quite clearly that they do. We don't need people claiming to be acting on our behalf fighting in the streets.
This so called report and all of the hotheaded comments on it are all hot air and twaddle!. People have died for this country to protect the right of free speech.. be it what you agree with or what you don't. I would rather have it that way than someone dictate to me what I can and cannot say!
As it is the far left in this country that has an explicit agenda of wanting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with communism, we perhaps have more to fear from them than from the right wing, they certainly have shown a complete disdain for the rights of others in recent weeks in Brighton.
UAF in the past have asked for marches they don't agree with to be banned while at the same time advocating freedom and democracy. Double standards?
Notice I said 'was' their right to protest. After the violence of last time they should be banned until they can show that they can protest peacefully. That goes for other groups with terrible track records for violence ie SmashEDO and UAF. If you can't behave yourself then stay away.
morchdr
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2:31am Mon 4 Jun 12
Reality50 wrote:I'm not a member of UAF so I wouldn't know if they are totalitarian communists who want to "overthrow democracy". As for Smash EDO, I know they are not full of totalitarian communists, some libertarian socialists and anarchists perhaps, but I would much rather freedom-loving socialists than right-wing fascists. I couldn't care less which class they are from. Historically, left-wing socialists and anarchists were working class movements. Now you have economic classes and working/middle class boundaries are blurred. Then we have the super rich minority in the financial sector who caused this financial mess get away with it, with the continual blessing of this Tory-lead government.
Evidence that the UAF are communists? Ok,how about checking out the UAF leadership namely Weyman Bennett and Martin Smith for a start?. Both are communists.
gaz scott
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7:50am Mon 4 Jun 12
Trendy lefty wrote:You're lucky to have a job and unlucky to have to work when the rest of us have a bank holiday.
Goodnight my little Trotskyites, must go to sleep now as i have work in the morning. Work is where people go to earn money to help their employer make a profit, when you get paid you pay tax and NI, part of this helps to pay for lazy little gits who have no intention of working, just to disrupt the lives of real people. So, either sleep tight or continue partying until 5AM, then you can go to bed and maybe think of rolling in to Uni or join the latest anti anti anti protest.
So it seems in your world everyone here on the Left is a lazy naive student whilst everyone else works hard for a living.
fab5482
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11:03am Mon 4 Jun 12
former squatter wrote:Former Squatter, In 1971 I was living in what was known as East Pakistan, and was caught up in the Civil War (East Pakistan is now called Bangladesh, whilst West Pakistan dropped the West and is called Pakistan). If it weren't for the military, I and many other people wouldn't be here today. However, I think at times politicians make unwise decisions as to why they go to war. As for shopping, if demos, the price of buses, parking continue to rise in Brighton, people will not want to come to Brighton. Shops are already closing in Brighton, this also means people out of work, choice being eroded. Some locals may find it more difficult to get the everyday essentials they need. "A politician's dream", I think not.
it's a bit sad how utterly outraged people are at the possibility of their shopping being disrupted whilst weapons manufacturing, racist football hooligans invading their town and the uber rich fleecing the country doesn't anger them. If you 'couldn't give a toss' that's your problem, you'll go to your graves not only having never stood up for your principles but, worse having never even had any....as the tories rip the welfare state to shreds, as brighton-made bombs eviscerate foreign children and as ultra-right wing hooligans attempt to tear communities apart you ... carry on shopping, whilst reserving your anger for anyone who actually has principles. You're a politicians dream, you'll bend over and take whatever they give you whilst slating those who won't...
AmboGuy
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12:20pm Mon 4 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:Well yeas I think he's got it about right really.
Trendy lefty wrote:You're lucky to have a job and unlucky to have to work when the rest of us have a bank holiday.
Goodnight my little Trotskyites, must go to sleep now as i have work in the morning. Work is where people go to earn money to help their employer make a profit, when you get paid you pay tax and NI, part of this helps to pay for lazy little gits who have no intention of working, just to disrupt the lives of real people. So, either sleep tight or continue partying until 5AM, then you can go to bed and maybe think of rolling in to Uni or join the latest anti anti anti protest.
So it seems in your world everyone here on the Left is a lazy naive student whilst everyone else works hard for a living.
voiceofthescoombe
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4:15pm Mon 4 Jun 12
most people call that shopping :)
pebble counter
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6:11pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Idontbelieveit1948
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9:11pm Mon 4 Jun 12
"Shortly after 3.10pm a group of about 100 people, many in black hooded tops, unfurled a banner which read “No Fascism” and marched into North Street, heading towards Kemp Town. "
Funny old world isn't it I thought the fascists wore black ! Ah well a bigot's a bigot I suppose.
voiceofthescoombe
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9:12am Wed 6 Jun 12
But are all about removing that freedom from others with violence if given half a chance.
The only reason they bleat as victims is because they are a tiny minority.
60 plus years ago brave men died bringing liberty back to mainland europe.
BNP lot would be in jail for cheering on adolf
hubby
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11:44pm Thu 7 Jun 12
Try love and tolerance.
It works better!
Retired Loon in Brighton says...
11:16am Sat 2 Jun 12