Updated: Anti-arms protesters take to streets in Brighton and Hove (From The Argus)
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Updated: Anti-arms protesters take to streets in Brighton and Hove
11:30am Monday 4th June 2012 in News By Ben Parsons
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SmashEDO protesters gather outside Barclays Bank in Brighton
Anti-arms group Smash EDO is marching through central Brighton to Hove today (June 4) over the possibility of military action against Iran.
The protesters are gathering outside Barclays bank in North Street at noon, then planning to march along Western Road to Hove Town Hall Their event is aimed at opposing “the prospect of war with Iran”.
A spokesman for the group said: “It is important that we build an anti-war movement that learns the lessons of the Iraq war in order to prevent further bloodshed.”
Previous Smash EDO events have ended in confrontations with police.
But today's demonstration passed peacefully, with no arrests.
Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett, the Sussex Police city commander for Brighton and Hove, said: "This is the first time this group had shared their plans in an open letter to the media and I'm pleased to say it went as outlined. Police have an important role to help facilitate those who exercise their right to free speech in a peaceful way and we did that today."
Argus reporter Ben Parsons Tweeted live from the protest from noon. Additional Tweets from Sussex Police and SmashEDO, and comments from readers, are also included in the live blog below.
Comments(130)
sbiscorrupt
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11:50am Mon 4 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:Don't knock the police...
Stupid, thoughtless and what else would you expect from a bunch of self righteous moralists with a political agenda.
daveinprague
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11:51am Mon 4 Jun 12
daveinprague
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11:52am Mon 4 Jun 12
AmboGuy
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12:10pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Times are hard enough without these wasters putting people off going into town.
So anyone from SmashEDO could you tell me - is this the 'final final push' or just another 'final push'? I only ask as you seem to have had about 3 'final pushes' so far.
notaconspiracy
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12:16pm Mon 4 Jun 12
mimseycal
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12:22pm Mon 4 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:According to their website they have about three months of disruptions planned.
It would be interesting to hear what the local traders think about this mob going on yet another pointless march and keeping people away from the centre.
Times are hard enough without these wasters putting people off going into town.
So anyone from SmashEDO could you tell me - is this the 'final final push' or just another 'final push'? I only ask as you seem to have had about 3 'final pushes' so far.
Then I suppose the weather will start getting really bad and it won't be so easy to disrupt without getting wet and windblown.
PorkBoat
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12:35pm Mon 4 Jun 12
AmboGuy
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12:37pm Mon 4 Jun 12
PorkBoat wrote:Yeah I'd actually PAY to see that!!!!
Turn the hoses on them!
Angryoldman
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12:52pm Mon 4 Jun 12
When will they stop these endless protests ruining Brighton. Can't they go to London and do it? What the hell have the people of Brighton got to do with Iran? It's our council tax that pays to police these pointless demo's
These hippies need to get a job and let holiday makers enjoy Brighton with their families!
AmboGuy
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12:54pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Angryoldman wrote:Well yeah you think they'd protest up in London where the government is if they really wanted to have any effect at all - oh hang on though there's not a nice beach up in London.
I was going shopping up the Western Road. Will give it a miss I think.
When will they stop these endless protests ruining Brighton. Can't they go to London and do it? What the hell have the people of Brighton got to do with Iran? It's our council tax that pays to police these pointless demo's
These hippies need to get a job and let holiday makers enjoy Brighton with their families!
daveinprague
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1:05pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Hove Actually
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1:10pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Pointless and pathetic spring to mind
daveinprague
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1:15pm Mon 4 Jun 12
monkeymoo
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1:23pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Why are they so against people who have arms?
I find mine really useful for reaching things that are high up.
sdhgfhfuyt
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1:48pm Mon 4 Jun 12
george smith
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2:04pm Mon 4 Jun 12
true-brightonian
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2:10pm Mon 4 Jun 12
true-brightonian
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2:12pm Mon 4 Jun 12
tinkle34
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2:28pm Mon 4 Jun 12
daveinprague
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3:09pm Mon 4 Jun 12
charlie smirke
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3:12pm Mon 4 Jun 12
AmboGuy wrote:So would I !!
PorkBoat wrote:Yeah I'd actually PAY to see that!!!!
Turn the hoses on them!
tekniko
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3:17pm Mon 4 Jun 12
charlie smirke wrote:Shame there's a hosepipe ban.
AmboGuy wrote:So would I !!
PorkBoat wrote:Yeah I'd actually PAY to see that!!!!
Turn the hoses on them!
UglyAmerican
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3:24pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Number Six
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3:31pm Mon 4 Jun 12
And just how is this going to influence the corridors of power. It won't be noticed by anyone outside the tiny area of Brighton and Hove.
daveinprague
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3:31pm Mon 4 Jun 12
tinkle34
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3:38pm Mon 4 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Shoppers had every right to choose not to shop in Brighton today,last time they were here they caused chaos through out the city.Today only handful turned up,had it been a sunny hot day i am sure loads would have turned up.May i remind you when i lived along Lewes road these protesters smashed windows,turned bins over.If i strongly believe in a cause i would not feel the need to cover my face up.Take your protest else where...........
A peaceful march by a few people who gave out leaflets, and did not disrupt 'shoppers' .... despite the hysterical accusations on here...for the people who 'claimed' to not go into Brighton for shopping today, as though it was the only day possible, you must be feeling pretty stupid right now.
daveinprague
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3:48pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Cash Cow
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4:15pm Mon 4 Jun 12
D5
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4:27pm Mon 4 Jun 12
true-brightonian wrote:citizens arent bombed in Gaza. Yet Israeli citizens are constantly shelled by Katushya rockets. There's an excellent shopping mall in Gaza also, full of goods shipped from israel -check it out
So, do you support a possible attack on Iran? Do you also support the bombing of the citizens of Gaza? I am actually interested in knowing if you truly support these things, we have a right to know.
here you go:-
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/world/
middle-east/as-the-i
sraeli-blockade-ease
s-gaza-goes-shopping
-2035432.html
An attack on Iran? Don't make me laugh -stay away from the entire area i say.
Why arent smash EDO marching against the genocide against the white south african farmers -4000 killed since 1994, with weapons from the UK?
An unfashionable genocide eh?
Angryoldman
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4:30pm Mon 4 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Same smelly lot that try to shut coffee houses down. They need to get a life so do you.
guffaw at the 'trustafarian' blanket insult... is EDO in Bexhill, Bognor Regis or Brighton locale?
mimseycal
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4:31pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Busterblister
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4:57pm Mon 4 Jun 12
true-brightonian
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5:46pm Mon 4 Jun 12
org/wiki/Casualties_
of_the_Gaza_War
The average citizen in Gaza has to live on less than $1.20 per day: http://www.nytimes.c
om/2007/11/10/world/
middleeast/10gaza.ht
ml
Please do your research before you post lies with no foundation in reality.
D360
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5:48pm Mon 4 Jun 12
D360
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5:50pm Mon 4 Jun 12
true-brightonian wrote:You cannot criticise someone for lack if research and then quote Wikipedia! 300-900?! Hardly statistically valid is it?!
@D5 says "citizens aren't bombed in Gaza". Yet during operation Cast Lead alone 300–900 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israeli forces. During this same period three Israeli civilians died: http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Casualties_
of_the_Gaza_War
The average citizen in Gaza has to live on less than $1.20 per day: http://www.nytimes.c
om/2007/11/10/world/
middleeast/10gaza.ht
ml
Please do your research before you post lies with no foundation in reality.
true-brightonian
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5:57pm Mon 4 Jun 12
The figure of 3 Israeli civilians comes from the Israeli Defence Force. The figure off 300 Palestinian civilians killed also comes from the IDF. The figure of 900 Palestinian civilians comes from the Palestinian Centre for Human rights. Here is another link, numbskull: http://www.washingto
ntimes.com/news/2009
/mar/19/rights-group
-names-1417-gaza-war
-dead-1/
Please stop wasting everyone's time with simplistic lies.
true-brightonian
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6:04pm Mon 4 Jun 12
.com/question/index?
qid=20080310164546AA
0SIHy
clearbluesky
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6:08pm Mon 4 Jun 12
clearbluesky
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6:10pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Old Ale Man
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6:12pm Mon 4 Jun 12
PorkBoat wrote:Nice one Porkboat and I'll by the soap.. Carbolic of course!!!!
Turn the hoses on them!
gaz scott
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6:21pm Mon 4 Jun 12
clearbluesky wrote:"Brighton has lost its sole"
Tried to get into Brighton on Saturday to find the area around Old Steine practically militarised by Police in response to another Brighton protest. Today I didn't even bother trying. In my opinion Brighton has lost its sole thanks to these endless protests. I remember when the City was all about chilling out and having a jolly good time. Now its just a playground for bullying protestors to cause havoc.
That's due to over-fishing.
It's the way I tell 'em. Beats the endless variations on the same old soap jokes.
roddy hove
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6:22pm Mon 4 Jun 12
http://www.thejc.com
/35771/judge-bathurs
t-norman-full-summin
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For background details see wikipedia article.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/EDO_Decomis
sioners_Case
God Save The Queen
another 1
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6:23pm Mon 4 Jun 12
sbiscorrupt
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6:37pm Mon 4 Jun 12
another 1 wrote:Totally screwed?...So of course you'll know how the people on the end of the bombs (released courtesy of EDO) feel then won't you...?
Thanks to the protests throughout this weekend my market sales have been pitiful - severely low footfall - had expected to bring in enough to cover my rent, am now totally screwed.
Oh silly me, of course you won't...you've 'apparently' only lost money - not your life!
hursthill
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6:54pm Mon 4 Jun 12
smashedo have now been smashed !
juleshove
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7:13pm Mon 4 Jun 12
gaz scott
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7:13pm Mon 4 Jun 12
hursthill wrote:If it was such a damp squib (soul - sole, squib - squid. I see a theme developing here) it can't have had much impact on the traders I'd have thought.
As predicted the smashedo protest was a pathetic squid - to use a fish analogy. The winners were the police who earned extra overtime, the losers were the Brighton traders.
smashedo have now been smashed !
The only people who ever built up expectations around this demo were the local Conservatives. It was an enjoyable demo. No trouble was wanted or expected and we achieved exactly what we wanted.
It was good to see a few faces I haven't seen on a Brighton demo since the Iraq war demos.
Number Six
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7:20pm Mon 4 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:"it can't have had much impact on the traders I'd have thought. "
hursthill wrote: As predicted the smashedo protest was a pathetic squid - to use a fish analogy. The winners were the police who earned extra overtime, the losers were the Brighton traders. smashedo have now been smashed !If it was such a damp squib (soul - sole, squib - squid. I see a theme developing here) it can't have had much impact on the traders I'd have thought. The only people who ever built up expectations around this demo were the local Conservatives. It was an enjoyable demo. No trouble was wanted or expected and we achieved exactly what we wanted. It was good to see a few faces I haven't seen on a Brighton demo since the Iraq war demos.
Clearly you haven't though very much then because there's a trader saying the contrary. But then, what would he know?
"we achieved exactly what we wanted" So it's official then. We won't attack Iran. Ever! (Not that we were ever going to but why let the facts get in the way of some scaremongering). Anyway, now that you've accomplished that aim and Iran is safe will your next demonstration be to do the same with Syria?
mimseycal
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7:24pm Mon 4 Jun 12
juleshove
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7:26pm Mon 4 Jun 12
gaz scott
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7:32pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Number Six wrote:That's my point exactly. It seems unlikely that a damp squib would have had a lot of impact on his trade. He doesn't give a lot of detail though...
gaz scott wrote:"it can't have had much impact on the traders I'd have thought. "
hursthill wrote: As predicted the smashedo protest was a pathetic squid - to use a fish analogy. The winners were the police who earned extra overtime, the losers were the Brighton traders. smashedo have now been smashed !If it was such a damp squib (soul - sole, squib - squid. I see a theme developing here) it can't have had much impact on the traders I'd have thought. The only people who ever built up expectations around this demo were the local Conservatives. It was an enjoyable demo. No trouble was wanted or expected and we achieved exactly what we wanted. It was good to see a few faces I haven't seen on a Brighton demo since the Iraq war demos.
Clearly you haven't though very much then because there's a trader saying the contrary. But then, what would he know?
"we achieved exactly what we wanted" So it's official then. We won't attack Iran. Ever! (Not that we were ever going to but why let the facts get in the way of some scaremongering). Anyway, now that you've accomplished that aim and Iran is safe will your next demonstration be to do the same with Syria?
And as far as what we wanted to achieve. Well actually I was thinking more that we marched from North Street to Hove Town Hall successfully rather than actually achieving world peace - can't remember ever claiming we'd do that today.
No pleasing some people.
Ish1
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7:38pm Mon 4 Jun 12
true-brightonian wrote:true-britonian,
@D360, you are making an even bigger fool of yourself than @D5. Wikipedia is not accepted to be quite accurate, and if you took the trouble to follow the link, you would see that all the numbers are cited by internationally recognised organisations. The figure of 3 Israeli civilians comes from the Israeli Defence Force. The figure off 300 Palestinian civilians killed also comes from the IDF. The figure of 900 Palestinian civilians comes from the Palestinian Centre for Human rights. Here is another link, numbskull: http://www.washingto ntimes.com/news/2009 /mar/19/rights-group -names-1417-gaza-war -dead-1/ Please stop wasting everyone's time with simplistic lies.
Please explain why whilst you are only too happy to criticise Israel at every conceivable opportunity you have never uttered one word of condemnation at the far bigger
loss of innocent Arab lives that have occured in Libya and Syria, not to mention Yemen, Egypt and Iraq where the Arabs murder innocent Arab civilians almost daily.
If you were genuine in your concern for innocent Arab civilians you would not restrict your criticism to that of Israel but would criticise the murder of innocent Arabs by other Arabs.
That you choose to only criticise Israel (the only Jewish country in the world) shows you up in your true light!
SicklySeagull
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7:52pm Mon 4 Jun 12
What will be affected is the loss of business to local traders who are already facing serious losses who must be really upset that our Green Council have openly encouraged demos.
gaz scott
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8:30pm Mon 4 Jun 12
SicklySeagull wrote:How many people were put off by the scare tactics of a few Conservative Councillors? If anyone avoided Brighton maybe thinking it might be a war zone I think some of those in the Town Hall are to blame.
Of course plenty of people were put off visiting Brighton today because of the planned demo by Rentamob,do they really think that the government will be concerned by their actions.
What will be affected is the loss of business to local traders who are already facing serious losses who must be really upset that our Green Council have openly encouraged demos.
SmashEDO, on this occasion, published the exact details of the route and stuck to it precisely so that people would not feel the need to avoid town today and disruption would be minimised. But of course in the Conservatives' never ending quest to score points over the Greens they are always willing to promote the occasional scare story even if it means frightening people away.
mimseycal
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8:44pm Mon 4 Jun 12
It has also meant that high police visibility would be the order of the day and I for one, though resenting the drain on local resources, am glad our force took the decision to be highly visible.
The Baron Pepperpot
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8:55pm Mon 4 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:This
SicklySeagull wrote:How many people were put off by the scare tactics of a few Conservative Councillors? If anyone avoided Brighton maybe thinking it might be a war zone I think some of those in the Town Hall are to blame.
Of course plenty of people were put off visiting Brighton today because of the planned demo by Rentamob,do they really think that the government will be concerned by their actions.
What will be affected is the loss of business to local traders who are already facing serious losses who must be really upset that our Green Council have openly encouraged demos.
SmashEDO, on this occasion, published the exact details of the route and stuck to it precisely so that people would not feel the need to avoid town today and disruption would be minimised. But of course in the Conservatives' never ending quest to score points over the Greens they are always willing to promote the occasional scare story even if it means frightening people away.
true-brightonian
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9:05pm Mon 4 Jun 12
If you believe that we should support local weapons manufacturers and that this is good for our GDP and stuff anyone who happens to be born in the wrong country, then please say so. If you are against the making of arms in your local community, then it really has nothing to do with anti-Semitism or Arab loving or whatever. It was to do with being anti-war.
daveinprague
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9:07pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Angryoldman wrote:I need to get a life? I would stand my life, and lifestyle up against yours any day of the week. im sorry that pointing out the obvious offended you....and yes, everybody is probably smelly who doesnt agree with you.
daveinprague wrote: guffaw at the 'trustafarian' blanket insult... is EDO in Bexhill, Bognor Regis or Brighton locale?Same smelly lot that try to shut coffee houses down. They need to get a life so do you.
davyboy
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9:13pm Mon 4 Jun 12
sbiscorrupt wrote:so it is all about a release mechanism, which could be made anywhere. if it was made in crawley, there would be no protest, would there, as crawley isn't by the sea!! it is all an excuse for a jolly to the seaside, with their rent-a-mob followers. many factories make bomb release mechanisms, so why pick on the one in brighton?
another 1 wrote:Totally screwed?...So of course you'll know how the people on the end of the bombs (released courtesy of EDO) feel then won't you...?
Thanks to the protests throughout this weekend my market sales have been pitiful - severely low footfall - had expected to bring in enough to cover my rent, am now totally screwed.
Oh silly me, of course you won't...you've 'apparently' only lost money - not your life!
daveinprague
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9:16pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Idontbelieveit1948
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9:16pm Mon 4 Jun 12
Vigilia
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11:16pm Mon 4 Jun 12
true-brightonian wrote:There were people like you in 1938 and look where it got us.
Some people here seem to forget the point of why Smash EDO exists. They do not exist to end all wars and bring world peace. The do not exist to destroy the Jewish state or bring Sharia law to the UK. They exist to stop the manufacture and export of arms and those who support the manufacture of arms in Brighton. EDO/ITT have a factory in Brighton which develops equipment that is used by the IDF to bomb civilians. The fact that is the IDF doing the bombing and not Assad or Ghadaffi really makes no difference. Don't you see the contradiction of your own opinions? Are you telling me you would protest against a local weapons factory that exported to Bahrain, Syria, etc. but somehow Israel is a special case?
If you believe that we should support local weapons manufacturers and that this is good for our GDP and stuff anyone who happens to be born in the wrong country, then please say so. If you are against the making of arms in your local community, then it really has nothing to do with anti-Semitism or Arab loving or whatever. It was to do with being anti-war.
Arms manufacture is a reality globally and nothing you say or do will rectify that.
As somebody else said in an earlier posting, the Russian AK47 has killed more people worldwide than any weapon made anywhere else in the world.
There is nobody in Brighton & Hove who has any influence on arms manufacture or export so if you are really sincere in your beliefs, take your protests to the seat of government. Or would that deprive you of a jolly to the seaside?
Angryoldman
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11:34pm Mon 4 Jun 12
EDL Supporter
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12:40am Tue 5 Jun 12
Vigilia
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12:57am Tue 5 Jun 12
You are delusional.
Your resolve is seen by all in Brighton and Hove as puerile.
If you wish to influence national policy you must take your protest to Westminster. Grow up and start to behave as a responsible pressure group, not just a rabble intent upon a day out to the seaside.
EDL Supporter
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1:45am Tue 5 Jun 12
You clearly think this is acceptable but we do not. We will do whatever it takes to close this factory down.
mimseycal
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2:33am Tue 5 Jun 12
Effective? Hardly! You've done as much damage to the Arms Industry as a fly does to the windscreen it gets squished on. In fact even less, as it is the residents of Brighton that pick up the bill to clean up the mess your self righteous moralising posturing leaves in its wake.
daveinprague
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8:02am Tue 5 Jun 12
mimseycal
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8:43am Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague
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8:59am Tue 5 Jun 12
gaz scott
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9:17am Tue 5 Jun 12
EDL Supporter wrote:Is that right EDL Supporter?
Great day had by all. No trouble and got our message across. Plod did their best to intimidate us by filming us and taking our details but they will not stop our resolve.
Well I was there, it was a small demo and I didn't see any filming or taking of details and I always look out for it. Can you clarify?
Busterblister
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9:20am Tue 5 Jun 12
No-one in their right mind supports war and violence, but it is a fact of life, as is the need to have a thriving arms trade.
gaz scott
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9:24am Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:EDL Supporter is not what he says. He is a Troll. Unfortunately the Argus were stupid enough to fall for it and put a front page headline based on his trolling.
Not entirely sure that the EDL were supporting the EDO protest, as they seem to have been intent on fighting them.
That doesn't mean he's particularly clever (as you'll see if you read his vague posts) but the Argus was particularly stupid or mischievous to fall for it.
Busterblister
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9:25am Tue 5 Jun 12
So the real need is to stop the violence at source by having a negotiated peace settlement that lasts.
Why don't you work on that? I'm sure the Palestinian and Israeli authorities would welcome your call. Let us know how you get on.
mimseycal
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9:38am Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Israel is not at war with Islam.
They are only pro-Israel to deflect from the fact they are fascists, and Israel is generally at war with Islam. EDL look for any cause that will gain them larger public support...they are desperate.
Not all Jews are Israeli
Not all Arabs are Muslim
Not all Christians are WASPs
Shoddy thinking lead to absurd generalisations which do very little to gaining credence for any argument.
EDL Supporter
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9:53am Tue 5 Jun 12
gaz scott wrote:Here we go again. If my posts don't fit in with your small world mind view of who should be 'allowed' at your demo then I'm a troll.
daveinprague wrote:EDL Supporter is not what he says. He is a Troll. Unfortunately the Argus were stupid enough to fall for it and put a front page headline based on his trolling.
Not entirely sure that the EDL were supporting the EDO protest, as they seem to have been intent on fighting them.
That doesn't mean he's particularly clever (as you'll see if you read his vague posts) but the Argus was particularly stupid or mischievous to fall for it.
Like it or not SmashEDO have my support - idiot.
And yes I did see the police filming us, are you saying you didn't? Maybe it was you who wasn't there.
daveinprague
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9:57am Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague
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10:01am Tue 5 Jun 12
mimseycal wrote:I know that, however, EDL muppets do not think coherently. As far as they are concerned, Israels enemy is their enemy as it concerns Islam. Yes, there are many Arabs in Israel, whose treatment lately has been subject of some articles. Youre dealing with a group of football hooligans masquerading as a 'political' group. They see Israel as a force against Islam, so they support it.
daveinprague wrote: They are only pro-Israel to deflect from the fact they are fascists, and Israel is generally at war with Islam. EDL look for any cause that will gain them larger public support...they are desperate.Israel is not at war with Islam. Not all Jews are Israeli Not all Arabs are Muslim Not all Christians are WASPs Shoddy thinking lead to absurd generalisations which do very little to gaining credence for any argument.
mimseycal
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10:05am Tue 5 Jun 12
True enough. No more than any protest group I dare say ... such as SmashEDO for instance.
Ideological straitjackets aren't very conducive to clear thinking ;)
Busterblister
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10:13am Tue 5 Jun 12
They are against things. Yesterday it was EDO/ITT. It could be anything else at any other time that represents organised, conventional society. Anything at all that grabs their fancy. So there is little point engaging with them, as there is no end-point. They are people who will be against things forever.
gaz scott
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10:59am Tue 5 Jun 12
EDL Supporter wrote:As I asked you before can you clarify? Where on the march did this happen?
gaz scott wrote:Here we go again. If my posts don't fit in with your small world mind view of who should be 'allowed' at your demo then I'm a troll.
daveinprague wrote:EDL Supporter is not what he says. He is a Troll. Unfortunately the Argus were stupid enough to fall for it and put a front page headline based on his trolling.
Not entirely sure that the EDL were supporting the EDO protest, as they seem to have been intent on fighting them.
That doesn't mean he's particularly clever (as you'll see if you read his vague posts) but the Argus was particularly stupid or mischievous to fall for it.
Like it or not SmashEDO have my support - idiot.
And yes I did see the police filming us, are you saying you didn't? Maybe it was you who wasn't there.
Unfortunately I can't be more specific about something I didn't see happen.
The person who was there'd know if the Police used their Section 60 powers and to what extent for example.
george smith
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11:00am Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Panarama's programme on anti semitism and european footall crowds was very alarming, the white supremist waxing lyrical about what Hitler had done for Germany was good. seems we as a world have learned nothing, and the EDL and smash edo marching seemly with a similar intent is worrying.
mimseycal wrote:I know that, however, EDL muppets do not think coherently. As far as they are concerned, Israels enemy is their enemy as it concerns Islam. Yes, there are many Arabs in Israel, whose treatment lately has been subject of some articles. Youre dealing with a group of football hooligans masquerading as a 'political' group. They see Israel as a force against Islam, so they support it.daveinprague wrote: They are only pro-Israel to deflect from the fact they are fascists, and Israel is generally at war with Islam. EDL look for any cause that will gain them larger public support...they are desperate.Israel is not at war with Islam. Not all Jews are Israeli Not all Arabs are Muslim Not all Christians are WASPs Shoddy thinking lead to absurd generalisations which do very little to gaining credence for any argument.
Remember we has a coalition government supposedly for the common good
daveinprague
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11:16am Tue 5 Jun 12
Steve170658
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12:08pm Tue 5 Jun 12
D5
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12:17pm Tue 5 Jun 12
D360 wrote:awesome lol plus his quote from the NY times is 5 years out of date. these brainwashed fools are so selective with the truth.
true-brightonian wrote:You cannot criticise someone for lack if research and then quote Wikipedia! 300-900?! Hardly statistically valid is it?!
@D5 says "citizens aren't bombed in Gaza". Yet during operation Cast Lead alone 300–900 Palestinian civilians were killed by Israeli forces. During this same period three Israeli civilians died: http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Casualties_
of_the_Gaza_War
The average citizen in Gaza has to live on less than $1.20 per day: http://www.nytimes.c
om/2007/11/10/world/
middleeast/10gaza.ht
ml
Please do your research before you post lies with no foundation in reality.
daveinprague
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12:17pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Ish1
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12:23pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Neither the Jewish community nor Israel have anything to do with the EDL
The EDL deny their anti semitism claiming to have a Jewish Division, however, as far as anybody can make out, that involves 4 or 5 people. The EDL is riven with fascists. You see them deny it on pages where other EDL members are activively promoting anti semitism...they are confused chavs.
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12:28pm Tue 5 Jun 12
george smith wrote:Smash EDO, are only too happy to criticise Israel at every conceivable opportunity but have never uttered one word of condemnation at the far bigger
daveinprague wrote:Panarama's programme on anti semitism and european footall crowds was very alarming, the white supremist waxing lyrical about what Hitler had done for Germany was good. seems we as a world have learned nothing, and the EDL and smash edo marching seemly with a similar intent is worrying. Remember we has a coalition government supposedly for the common goodmimseycal wrote:I know that, however, EDL muppets do not think coherently. As far as they are concerned, Israels enemy is their enemy as it concerns Islam. Yes, there are many Arabs in Israel, whose treatment lately has been subject of some articles. Youre dealing with a group of football hooligans masquerading as a 'political' group. They see Israel as a force against Islam, so they support it.daveinprague wrote: They are only pro-Israel to deflect from the fact they are fascists, and Israel is generally at war with Islam. EDL look for any cause that will gain them larger public support...they are desperate.Israel is not at war with Islam. Not all Jews are Israeli Not all Arabs are Muslim Not all Christians are WASPs Shoddy thinking lead to absurd generalisations which do very little to gaining credence for any argument.
loss of innocent Arab lives that have occured in Libya and Syria,Yemen, Egypt and Iraq where the Arabs murder innocent Arab civilians almost daily.
If they were genuine in their concern for innocent Arab civilians they would not restrict their criticism to that of Israel but would criticise the murder of ALL innocent Arabs by everyone including other Arabs.
That they are selective and choose to only criticise Israel (the only Jewish country in the world) shows them up in their true light!”
Steve170658
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12:32pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:I don't really need to but, People anti a St George's Day march, people anti a Diamond Jubilee celebration, people demonstrating on that day.
liberal anti everything English/British?... really....go on...please expand on that nonsense.
I want our troops out of these godforsaken countries with their backward ideologies. I think they should be left to it. Most of the trouble around the world, Somalia, Egypt, Syria, Lybya etc involves the same "religion".
As my father, grandfather, uncle and aunty fought in wars, i believe that "if" this factory is making weapons to help our troops, then so be it.
Best though to bring all the troops home.
daveinprague
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12:39pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Yes, there were some TINY anti jubilee protests, and there was NO anti St George day...there was a protest against FASCISTS hijacking St Georges day. As you know.
Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars? My whole family have fought in wars, and I served in the Royal Navy.....the parts being made by EDO do not benefit 'our' troops. They benefit the IDF.
I do agree with the fact our troops shouldnt be there, but I doubt if you did when it started.
daveinprague
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12:44pm Tue 5 Jun 12
You dont think the clue is in their name do you? They are protesting against EDO...why should they stop that, and then protest against Syria?...I see yourself, and others on here are very keen to see anybody criticizing Israel as condoning what is happening in Syria...thats silly... What concerns me more is there are plenty of people on this thread so concerned about Syria, that they do naff all about it...why havnt you started a protest? Why are you waiting for a one issue protest group to start it for you>?
daveinprague
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12:47pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Ish1 wrote:No right minded Jew/Israeli would, but they do claim to have a Jewish Division, albeit, their numbers are unknown, and probably less than half a dozen.
daveinprague wrote: The EDL deny their anti semitism claiming to have a Jewish Division, however, as far as anybody can make out, that involves 4 or 5 people. The EDL is riven with fascists. You see them deny it on pages where other EDL members are activively promoting anti semitism...they are confused chavs.Neither the Jewish community nor Israel have anything to do with the EDL
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Steve170658
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12:56pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:I suggest you look up "fascists".
Sorry, but what do our troops being in 'these godforsaken countries' got to do with it exactly?
Yes, there were some TINY anti jubilee protests, and there was NO anti St George day...there was a protest against FASCISTS hijacking St Georges day. As you know.
Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars? My whole family have fought in wars, and I served in the Royal Navy.....the parts being made by EDO do not benefit 'our' troops. They benefit the IDF.
I do agree with the fact our troops shouldnt be there, but I doubt if you did when it started.
I suggest to you that the UAF/SWP government funded are the real fascists.
By the way your comments "Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars?"
Don't be silly, not only do you not know me, you do not know what i think either.
Get your point across without assumptions or fiction.
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1:01pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Ish1
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1:12pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:The EDL can claim what they want but the fact is that the Board of Deputies which represent British Jews has publicly disacciated itself from the EDL and has stated that the Jewish Community do not have any links with them.
Ish1 wrote:No right minded Jew/Israeli would, but they do claim to have a Jewish Division, albeit, their numbers are unknown, and probably less than half a dozen. http://www.facebook. com/slatedl#!/pages/ EDL-English-Defence- League-Jewish-Divisi on-Official/22036678 1308574daveinprague wrote: The EDL deny their anti semitism claiming to have a Jewish Division, however, as far as anybody can make out, that involves 4 or 5 people. The EDL is riven with fascists. You see them deny it on pages where other EDL members are activively promoting anti semitism...they are confused chavs.Neither the Jewish community nor Israel have anything to do with the EDL
gaz scott
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1:13pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Quite right. Some people really don't have a clue about the concept of political protest or why people are motivated to do it.
'Smash EDO, are only too happy to criticise Israel at every conceivable opportunity but have never uttered one word of condemnation at the far bigger'
You dont think the clue is in their name do you? They are protesting against EDO...why should they stop that, and then protest against Syria?...I see yourself, and others on here are very keen to see anybody criticizing Israel as condoning what is happening in Syria...thats silly... What concerns me more is there are plenty of people on this thread so concerned about Syria, that they do naff all about it...why havnt you started a protest? Why are you waiting for a one issue protest group to start it for you>?
Some will always say "why aren't people protesting about Tibet, Burma, Syria, etc" (the list is long). The fact is that these issues have mainstream support because they are not on the whole against the interests of the West or the status quo (whatever the rights and wrongs of that). Or they may be campaigns that have already been fought and won having been condemned in much the same way while they were actually being fought.
The whole point of protesting is to attempt to get issues into the mainstream that are very often deliberately excluded by the media and the establishment. It's usually as simple as that.
For example, I know that some of the SmashEDO people were holding vigils in solidarity with the Syrian people when the conflict started and was being ignored by the media. It's now all over the news so there is no point campaigning in the same way to get it into public conciousness. Although the more recent story of the coverage and the West's response to the situation is a whole new can of worms...
daveinprague
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1:31pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Steve170658 wrote:Your post suggested that because you and your family fought in wars blah blah blah....NEARLY everybodies families in the UK fought in wars...its not an exclusive club, and secondly, I dont see UAF/SWP using Nationalist propaganda, nor do I see them employing FASCIST salutes. I KNOW who the Fascists are thank you.
daveinprague wrote: Sorry, but what do our troops being in 'these godforsaken countries' got to do with it exactly? Yes, there were some TINY anti jubilee protests, and there was NO anti St George day...there was a protest against FASCISTS hijacking St Georges day. As you know. Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars? My whole family have fought in wars, and I served in the Royal Navy.....the parts being made by EDO do not benefit 'our' troops. They benefit the IDF. I do agree with the fact our troops shouldnt be there, but I doubt if you did when it started.I suggest you look up "fascists". I suggest to you that the UAF/SWP government funded are the real fascists. By the way your comments "Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars?" Don't be silly, not only do you not know me, you do not know what i think either. Get your point across without assumptions or fiction.
daveinprague
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1:31pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Steve170658 wrote:Your post suggested that because you and your family fought in wars blah blah blah....NEARLY everybodies families in the UK fought in wars...its not an exclusive club, and secondly, I dont see UAF/SWP using Nationalist propaganda, nor do I see them employing FASCIST salutes. I KNOW who the Fascists are thank you.
daveinprague wrote: Sorry, but what do our troops being in 'these godforsaken countries' got to do with it exactly? Yes, there were some TINY anti jubilee protests, and there was NO anti St George day...there was a protest against FASCISTS hijacking St Georges day. As you know. Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars? My whole family have fought in wars, and I served in the Royal Navy.....the parts being made by EDO do not benefit 'our' troops. They benefit the IDF. I do agree with the fact our troops shouldnt be there, but I doubt if you did when it started.I suggest you look up "fascists". I suggest to you that the UAF/SWP government funded are the real fascists. By the way your comments "Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars?" Don't be silly, not only do you not know me, you do not know what i think either. Get your point across without assumptions or fiction.
daveinprague
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1:35pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Ish1 wrote:The sane population realises this.. :-D
daveinprague wrote:The EDL can claim what they want but the fact is that the Board of Deputies which represent British Jews has publicly disacciated itself from the EDL and has stated that the Jewish Community do not have any links with them.Ish1 wrote:No right minded Jew/Israeli would, but they do claim to have a Jewish Division, albeit, their numbers are unknown, and probably less than half a dozen. http://www.facebook. com/slatedl#!/pages/ EDL-English-Defence- League-Jewish-Divisi on-Official/22036678 1308574daveinprague wrote: The EDL deny their anti semitism claiming to have a Jewish Division, however, as far as anybody can make out, that involves 4 or 5 people. The EDL is riven with fascists. You see them deny it on pages where other EDL members are activively promoting anti semitism...they are confused chavs.Neither the Jewish community nor Israel have anything to do with the EDL
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1:39pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Steve170658 wrote:By not wanting Fascists, who caused misery and loss of family to many people living in Brighton, to walk on Brightons streets does not make people fascists...as much as fascists try to decieve.
daveinprague wrote: Sorry, but what do our troops being in 'these godforsaken countries' got to do with it exactly? Yes, there were some TINY anti jubilee protests, and there was NO anti St George day...there was a protest against FASCISTS hijacking St Georges day. As you know. Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars? My whole family have fought in wars, and I served in the Royal Navy.....the parts being made by EDO do not benefit 'our' troops. They benefit the IDF. I do agree with the fact our troops shouldnt be there, but I doubt if you did when it started.I suggest you look up "fascists". I suggest to you that the UAF/SWP government funded are the real fascists. By the way your comments "Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars?" Don't be silly, not only do you not know me, you do not know what i think either. Get your point across without assumptions or fiction.
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daveinprague
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mimseycal
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1:50pm Tue 5 Jun 12
1:31pm Tue 5 Jun 12 " ... I KNOW who the Fascists are thank you.”
Fascism isn't an ideology in itself. It is a means of promoting an ideology.
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Steve170658
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2:11pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Read my post again 12:32.
Steve170658 wrote:Your post suggested that because you and your family fought in wars blah blah blah....NEARLY everybodies families in the UK fought in wars...its not an exclusive club, and secondly, I dont see UAF/SWP using Nationalist propaganda, nor do I see them employing FASCIST salutes. I KNOW who the Fascists are thank you.
daveinprague wrote: Sorry, but what do our troops being in 'these godforsaken countries' got to do with it exactly? Yes, there were some TINY anti jubilee protests, and there was NO anti St George day...there was a protest against FASCISTS hijacking St Georges day. As you know. Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars? My whole family have fought in wars, and I served in the Royal Navy.....the parts being made by EDO do not benefit 'our' troops. They benefit the IDF. I do agree with the fact our troops shouldnt be there, but I doubt if you did when it started.I suggest you look up "fascists". I suggest to you that the UAF/SWP government funded are the real fascists. By the way your comments "Yeah, you think youre the only person whose immediate relatives fought in wars?" Don't be silly, not only do you not know me, you do not know what i think either. Get your point across without assumptions or fiction.
I never suggested that "NEARLY everybodies families in the UK fought in wars...its not an exclusive club"... again your take on it. In fact i never stated that "I" "fought in wars blah blah".
Again your assumption. In your haste to reply you seem to inject your own slant on posts.
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2:12pm Tue 5 Jun 12
I know the easy answer is halfwits, but really...semantics over what these people represent is what clouds issues.
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Steve170658
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2:38pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:My point was made at 12:08.
steve... Ive no slant... so, lets be clear...what is your point exactly?
Normally certain marches are dealt with in a certain way. The countless posts of "Right Wing Fascists", wasting tax payers money etc etc. Yet here we see a March (heavily policed because i was in Brighton yesterday) on The Jubilee Weekend and suddenly, with some, it is ok.
As for comments about the UAF and EDL, most arrests are from the UAF.
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2:38pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Steve170658
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2:42pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:This thread is about the Smash EDO demo. Obviously you are determined to shoehorn the EDL into the event. Perhaps best to leave that for another day when they are involved.
Its all about being heard isnt it..nobody likes their weekends disrupted.. I dont like it anymore than anybody else, particularly when fascists want to march through the city, but we live in a democracy, where protest is a bit of a right....at least they had a legitimate protest, whereas, EDL/Casuals specifically came to Brighton in sort of 'revenge' on Brighton for the hostile reception they recieved last time they visited.
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2:44pm Tue 5 Jun 12
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Steve170658
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2:53pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:The people in the EDL that give Nazi salutes are scum and infiltrators. I believe in one demo up north, the EDL physically removed these people from the demo. They were from the BNP.
and furthermore Steve.. Can you explain how EDL people, who give nazi salutes, and show off swastika tattoos are not nazis and the UAF is?
Of course out of the thousands that attend EDL protests, the media will put up pictures of the tattoed blokes, they are hardly going to put up pictures of the Rabbi, the Pakistani Christian, or the Sikh co leader of the EDL, when they speak at these rallies are they.
Perhaps a look at the members, the footage, and funding of the UAF, might shed a different light on this "organisation".
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2:58pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Steve170658
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3:09pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Ok Dave. You obviously have your views, and trawl the pages that you want.
oh please...not the 'they are infiltrators' bull...please give up with that nonsense...go and read their pages, and look at the comments sections...look at their FB accounts... and the reason that there was a heavy police presence in Brighton was not specifically for EDO...it was because the police knew of EDL plans to come to Brighton to cause problems...maybe a glance at the Argus news today can help you...'Police had feared hundreds of supporters of the far-right English Defence League would come to the city and clash with anti-fascist protesters'
As is often stated on these blogs.
If the Smash EDO did not have a demo on the Jubilee Weekend Day, then there would be know need for the "olice had feared hundreds of supporters of the far-right English Defence League would come to the city and clash with anti-fascist protesters"....and how many turned up. Just media hype as usual.
Anyway, i'm off to put my England flag on it's pole, in readiness for the Euros... if that is acceptable, no demos or police, or taxpayers money will be involved.
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daveinprague
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3:20pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Enjoy the euros, I know im looiking forward to it...ive got work to do anyway, have a good evening.
Steve170658
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3:22pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Well i was not happy to see the UAF outside Liverpool Crown Court supporting the Paedos from the grooming case, and they always turn up supporting/joined with the Muslims against the EDL.
Oh, and im neither UAF or SWP before that comes up. Yes, im left wing, but not prescribed to any organisations. Im happy there is a group like UAF that will confront nazis on British streets, and my 90 year old mother is happy to see Nazis confronted on British streets, as she finds them marching as offensive to her, and her family, and the relatives lost because of fascism in Europe.
Strange with their views that not one turned up ouside Luton Police Station last week, alongside 300 Sikhs protesting against the rape of a young Sikh girl by another groomer.
I would suggest the UAF are fascist, depends how you dress it up i suppose.
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3:26pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Steve170658
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3:34pm Tue 5 Jun 12
daveinprague wrote:Fair enough Dave, as i know a lawyer involved in the case, i shall leave it there. Just to say that there are another 7 similar cases to come out soon. I also know about the Luton case, so we shall see eh. Have a good week yourself. Just to let you know that i have full security clearance, no police record, full employment, no tattoes, no piercings, no shaven head etc. I just support England first, Britain second.
Steve..they were not supporting anybody, they were protesting the presence of the EDL/NWI/NEI who were in attendance (who almost caused the case to collapse following them attacking the defence solicitors in the case).....as for the Sikh case...er, groomer? I think you need to read the cases again, no disrespect etc. Have a good week, and Euro etc.
But we all have our views eh.
daveinprague
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4:05pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Gaz the great
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4:41pm Tue 5 Jun 12
mimseycal
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5:06pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Ah yes, it was Britain and America who determined to go ahead with the development of this particular range of weaponry ... The Manhattan project.
Several steps later and we have Truman promising the "rain of ruin" unless Japan surrenders following Nagasaki and Hiroshima ...
And now we have others developing this horrific means of global destruction? Really ... the sheer audacity eh ... tut tut and tsk tsk
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5:31pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Idontbelieveit1948
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7:09pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Only joking dave but give it a rest you've made the guiness book of records.
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7:19pm Tue 5 Jun 12
Busterblister wrote:Please do not assume that anyone with a disability cannot read and write using the English Language. Those at the para-olympics will be giving far more to this Country and doing far more for this Country than any modern-day 'protestor' has done. I have not seen any who appear to have even recently washed. If they cannot look after themselves, what does anything even matter to them? Why do they think that anyone will take any notice of them? Get a bath, get a job, get a life...
This debate is the equivalent of the on-line paralympics.
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10:27am Wed 6 Jun 12
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:He's got a lot to say so he says it. He seems to stick to the point and is polite.
daveinprague's got an awful lot to say, strikes me he's a bit of a argus comment board fascist !
Only joking dave but give it a rest you've made the guiness book of records.
I don't think it is for anyone to ask him to give it a rest especially given the number of posts that are variations of the soap gag. I don't see any site terms that restrict the number of posts that someone can make.
daveinprague
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3:58pm Thu 7 Jun 12
Todays Argus...looks like it was a bumper weekend, and not the shopping disaster that was promulgated here.
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11:44am Mon 4 Jun 12