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School and hospital bus services in Brighton and Hove hit by cuts

The Argus: Parts of the 26 service are listed for cuts to bus services in Brighton and Hove Buy this photo Parts of the 26 service are listed for cuts to bus services in Brighton and Hove

Bus routes to schools, hospitals and poorer areas are to be cut or scrapped to save money.

Brighton and Hove City Council will recommend ending its public subsidy to some evening, weekend and school services to save about £230,000 a year.

However, spending on a further 17 loss-making routes will continue with the local authority claiming they help people get to school or work.

Officials said they had saved as many services as they could.

But critics said the local authority should use profits from parking fees to continue subsidising routes.

Council leader Jason Kitcat said: “We’ve done everything possible to protect as many routes as we can and to bring the greatest benefit to the greatest number.

“Most school bus services are being protected as are those heavily used by people to get to work.”

Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services.

However, councils can support important services which are not already run by private or social enterprise firms.

The local authority is proposing to award four-year contracts to Brighton and Hove Bus Company and Compass Travel, worth a combined £905,000 a year, from September, to run uneconomic routes.

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A final decision is expected at the council’s policy and resources committee meeting on Thursday, June 14.

Cutting services

Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city.

“This makes no sense. We are particularly concerned at the cuts to school bus services and cutting winter evening services will particularly disadvantage older, more isolated people.”

Andrew Boag, chairman of Brighton Area Buswatch, which represents passengers said: “We recognise that the council has to make savings and will be pressing for the impact to be reduced where possible.

“We will also be pressing the Brighton and Hove Bus Company to continue running at least some of the threatened services without subsidy for an experimental period.”

Subsidised bus routes in the city and across the county were slowly expanded in the last decade in response to requests from passengers.

Routes at risk

It is understood this is the first time they have been cut in Brighton and Hove since the early 2000s.

Amongst the most heavily-subsidised routes, costing the city council more than £100,000 a year, are the 47 between Brighton station and Saltdean via Royal Sussex County Hospital, the 56 between the Knoll Estate in Hove and Patcham via the city centre and Hollingbury, and the 37B between the Bristol Estate and Meadowview via the Open Market.

These will all continue under the proposals.

The majority of routes to end will be hourly services on winter weekends serving the outskirts of the city.

Roger French, of Brighton and Hove Bus Company, said the firm was “quite ambivalent” about the subsidised routes.

He added: “The bus company currently operates 98% of routes in the service on a commercial basis so it affects very few routes. It’s up to the city council what other services it wants to provide.”

West Sussex County Council is expected to reveal the results of the final part of its review of bus services in the coming weeks.

Bus cuts

The following services in Brighton and Hove will stop:

21B, 27, 81A, 26, 22 and 24 which run after 6pm on Sundays between September and May (saving £51,000 per annum)
74 on school days from Lewes Road via Bevendean and Coldean to Patcham (£34,000)
52 from the city centre via the Royal Sussex to Ovingdean and Woodingdean (£63,000). Sunday services will continue with the 57. A new contract will operate from Brighton Marina to Ovingdean and Woodingdean, Monday to Saturday. Users will have to change buses either at the marina or on the coast road in Ovingdean
81 Monday to Saturday evenings from Old Steine to Goldstone Valley (£43,000)
96 on school days from Carden Avenue via Westdene to Blatchington Mill School (£38,000)
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1:48pm Fri 8 Jun 12

ray ellerton says...

Private enterprise bus services should take the good with the bad...profit/loss should be calculated on total of ALL routes....why should they pick and choose. There is a recession and i have had to take a hit in last couple of years, so why shouldn't they?
Private enterprise bus services should take the good with the bad...profit/loss should be calculated on total of ALL routes....why should they pick and choose. There is a recession and i have had to take a hit in last couple of years, so why shouldn't they? ray ellerton
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2:11pm Fri 8 Jun 12

briceofnice says...

Don't award contracts to these private companies and run all the routes directly! Sounds logical.
Don't award contracts to these private companies and run all the routes directly! Sounds logical. briceofnice
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2:12pm Fri 8 Jun 12

The Heretic says...

The 56 service would be a lot more useful to Knoll and Hangleton residents (many elderly and plenty with young families) at it's western end if it served Hove Polyclinic and the Co-op superstore instead of bowling straight along Old Shoreham Road, half the length of which, from Holmes Ave to Hove Park tavern is served by 5/5A.

B&H Bus Co say it's a council issue, the council say it's to serve all but non-existant use at two stops near the cemetaries, which would be easily accessible by 2/2A 5/5A from either end if the council would just open the entrances back up!

So a potentially even more useful service is effectively prevented from being developed by hidebound myopia on the part of the council (and before anyone jumps on the present incumbents, this has been the case for years).
The 56 service would be a lot more useful to Knoll and Hangleton residents (many elderly and plenty with young families) at it's western end if it served Hove Polyclinic and the Co-op superstore instead of bowling straight along Old Shoreham Road, half the length of which, from Holmes Ave to Hove Park tavern is served by 5/5A. B&H Bus Co say it's a council issue, the council say it's to serve all but non-existant use at two stops near the cemetaries, which would be easily accessible by 2/2A 5/5A from either end if the council would just open the entrances back up! So a potentially even more useful service is effectively prevented from being developed by hidebound myopia on the part of the council (and before anyone jumps on the present incumbents, this has been the case for years). The Heretic
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2:39pm Fri 8 Jun 12

BB1975 says...

What is this council trying to achieve? On the one hand massively increasing parking charges and then cutting public transport routes. On top of that Brighton and Hove buses increased their fares, for the second time in 6 months in April, to extortionate rates. The council say they want to discourage people from using their cars but how does this help make that happen? I’ve no time for the Conservatives and Labour didn’t do a great job of running this council but the Greens seem to be completely clueless, making the most contradictory and ridiculous decisions ever. It seems to me it’s always those who can least afford it that pay the price during times of recession. While Brighton and Hove Buses continues to rake in profits those of us who have no choice but to use their bus services suffer.
What is this council trying to achieve? On the one hand massively increasing parking charges and then cutting public transport routes. On top of that Brighton and Hove buses increased their fares, for the second time in 6 months in April, to extortionate rates. The council say they want to discourage people from using their cars but how does this help make that happen? I’ve no time for the Conservatives and Labour didn’t do a great job of running this council but the Greens seem to be completely clueless, making the most contradictory and ridiculous decisions ever. It seems to me it’s always those who can least afford it that pay the price during times of recession. While Brighton and Hove Buses continues to rake in profits those of us who have no choice but to use their bus services suffer. BB1975
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2:40pm Fri 8 Jun 12

john newman says...

Why does the council not run its own bus service like it used to years ago. Competition please!
Why does the council not run its own bus service like it used to years ago. Competition please! john newman
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2:55pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Hove Actually says...

"heavily used by people to get to work"

If they are heavily used by people in employment why am I subsidising them with my taxes?

And if children whet to their local school we wouldn't need to be bussing them all over the place
"heavily used by people to get to work" If they are heavily used by people in employment why am I subsidising them with my taxes? And if children whet to their local school we wouldn't need to be bussing them all over the place Hove Actually
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3:10pm Fri 8 Jun 12

HJarrs says...

Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city.

But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut?

Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus);

"Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits.

Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.
Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city. But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut? Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus); "Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits. Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members. HJarrs
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3:52pm Fri 8 Jun 12

lorrie1 says...

Funny how there cutting bus services, Would this have anything to do with brighton buses moving to crowhurst rd? I
read in the paper the other day that they are creating loads of new jobs, two projects that will cost 2m each, I smell something fishy,
Whats really going on Mr french???
Funny how there cutting bus services, Would this have anything to do with brighton buses moving to crowhurst rd? I read in the paper the other day that they are creating loads of new jobs, two projects that will cost 2m each, I smell something fishy, Whats really going on Mr french??? lorrie1
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4:32pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Sarah Booker says...

HJarrs wrote:
Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city.

But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut?

Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus);

"Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits.

Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.
All quotes are attributed.

The line "commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services," is not a comment or quote by Coun Kitkat but taken by Tim from the 1985 Transport Act.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city. But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut? Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus); "Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits. Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.[/p][/quote]All quotes are attributed. The line "commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services," is not a comment or quote by Coun Kitkat but taken by Tim from the 1985 Transport Act. Sarah Booker
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4:42pm Fri 8 Jun 12

seaside1 says...

I use the 52 to get home from work on 4 days a week (I am lucky enough to get a lift in the mornings). Currently I pay £8.80. If the 52 only goes to the Marina I will now need to get 2 buses from town and pay £17.60 each week. For those on free passes, it is easy enough to change onto a No 7 into town at the Marina, but for me it will make a big difference.
I use the 52 to get home from work on 4 days a week (I am lucky enough to get a lift in the mornings). Currently I pay £8.80. If the 52 only goes to the Marina I will now need to get 2 buses from town and pay £17.60 each week. For those on free passes, it is easy enough to change onto a No 7 into town at the Marina, but for me it will make a big difference. seaside1
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4:55pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Nathan_Adler says...

Just who voted for these "Greens"?

It defies belief, it really does.
Just who voted for these "Greens"? It defies belief, it really does. Nathan_Adler
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5:19pm Fri 8 Jun 12

hovian says...

Now that petrol prices have come down since the extortionate bus fare increases were introduced recently - can we expect the fares to come down? Not a chance from a company that is only too ready to raise fares - but never ever reduces them.
Now that petrol prices have come down since the extortionate bus fare increases were introduced recently - can we expect the fares to come down? Not a chance from a company that is only too ready to raise fares - but never ever reduces them. hovian
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5:56pm Fri 8 Jun 12

BURIRAM says...

ray ellerton wrote:
Private enterprise bus services should take the good with the bad...profit/loss should be calculated on total of ALL routes....why should they pick and choose. There is a recession and i have had to take a hit in last couple of years, so why shouldn't they?
They are not allowed to by law
[quote][p][bold]ray ellerton[/bold] wrote: Private enterprise bus services should take the good with the bad...profit/loss should be calculated on total of ALL routes....why should they pick and choose. There is a recession and i have had to take a hit in last couple of years, so why shouldn't they?[/p][/quote]They are not allowed to by law BURIRAM
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6:06pm Fri 8 Jun 12

St Peters says...

lorrie1 wrote:
Funny how there cutting bus services, Would this have anything to do with brighton buses moving to crowhurst rd? I
read in the paper the other day that they are creating loads of new jobs, two projects that will cost 2m each, I smell something fishy,
Whats really going on Mr french???
It's smoke and mirrors and bad reporting lorrie. They don't actually create 100's of jobs. 50 jobs a year is natural wastage for drivers at B&H. Once again 'Sir' Roger has spun the story to his own advantage. Let's not forget that Rog the dodge has a large personal financial interest in the Conway street development.
[quote][p][bold]lorrie1[/bold] wrote: Funny how there cutting bus services, Would this have anything to do with brighton buses moving to crowhurst rd? I read in the paper the other day that they are creating loads of new jobs, two projects that will cost 2m each, I smell something fishy, Whats really going on Mr french???[/p][/quote]It's smoke and mirrors and bad reporting lorrie. They don't actually create 100's of jobs. 50 jobs a year is natural wastage for drivers at B&H. Once again 'Sir' Roger has spun the story to his own advantage. Let's not forget that Rog the dodge has a large personal financial interest in the Conway street development. St Peters
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8:02pm Fri 8 Jun 12

hubby says...

Isn't the 27 the only bus that runs to the North of Saltdean?
There are a lot of elderly people who must rely on this service.
Isn't the 27 the only bus that runs to the North of Saltdean? There are a lot of elderly people who must rely on this service. hubby
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8:10pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Nathan_Adler wrote:
Just who voted for these "Greens"?

It defies belief, it really does.
Vote in haste. Repent at leisure,
[quote][p][bold]Nathan_Adler[/bold] wrote: Just who voted for these "Greens"? It defies belief, it really does.[/p][/quote]Vote in haste. Repent at leisure, Dealing with idiots
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8:22pm Fri 8 Jun 12

HJarrs says...

Sarah Booker wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city.

But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut?

Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus);

"Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits.

Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.
All quotes are attributed.

The line "commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services," is not a comment or quote by Coun Kitkat but taken by Tim from the 1985 Transport Act.
Sarah, thankyou. I stand corrected.

It seems then that the 1985 Transport Act is responsible and at fault, however, I think this is so that large companies can't subsidise routes in order to bankrupt competitors. However, the large companies have continually done so. This is the pervesity of deregulating the buses and creating a market which results in the tax payer subsidising loss making routes while the bus companies can skim off the profit from profitable routes! Its worse than I thought! Clearly, the first step is to re-regulate the buses.
[quote][p][bold]Sarah Booker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city. But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut? Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus); "Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits. Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.[/p][/quote]All quotes are attributed. The line "commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services," is not a comment or quote by Coun Kitkat but taken by Tim from the 1985 Transport Act.[/p][/quote]Sarah, thankyou. I stand corrected. It seems then that the 1985 Transport Act is responsible and at fault, however, I think this is so that large companies can't subsidise routes in order to bankrupt competitors. However, the large companies have continually done so. This is the pervesity of deregulating the buses and creating a market which results in the tax payer subsidising loss making routes while the bus companies can skim off the profit from profitable routes! Its worse than I thought! Clearly, the first step is to re-regulate the buses. HJarrs
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8:23pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Perhaps if we had not decided to spend 14 million on the green p***s and V****a vanity monument, sorry, the i360, we would be able to afford loss making bus routes. What has Roger French spent the £9 million on us local tax payers already contributed this year? 200 buses an hour in the city mainly empty. Carbon footprint?
Kitcat, Davey and West hoisted on their own petard,delicious. The voters are waking up boys.
Perhaps if we had not decided to spend 14 million on the green p***s and V****a vanity monument, sorry, the i360, we would be able to afford loss making bus routes. What has Roger French spent the £9 million on us local tax payers already contributed this year? 200 buses an hour in the city mainly empty. Carbon footprint? Kitcat, Davey and West hoisted on their own petard,delicious. The voters are waking up boys. Dealing with idiots
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8:33pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Dealing with idiots says...

HJarrs wrote:
Sarah Booker wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city.

But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut?

Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus);

"Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits.

Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.
All quotes are attributed.

The line "commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services," is not a comment or quote by Coun Kitkat but taken by Tim from the 1985 Transport Act.
Sarah, thankyou. I stand corrected.

It seems then that the 1985 Transport Act is responsible and at fault, however, I think this is so that large companies can't subsidise routes in order to bankrupt competitors. However, the large companies have continually done so. This is the pervesity of deregulating the buses and creating a market which results in the tax payer subsidising loss making routes while the bus companies can skim off the profit from profitable routes! Its worse than I thought! Clearly, the first step is to re-regulate the buses.
Roger had tried to run the Big Lemon out of town by flooding the route to the University. More competition and less French a**e kissing by the Brighton and Hove Chamber of commerce please. It is getting embarrassing.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sarah Booker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city. But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut? Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus); "Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits. Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.[/p][/quote]All quotes are attributed. The line "commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services," is not a comment or quote by Coun Kitkat but taken by Tim from the 1985 Transport Act.[/p][/quote]Sarah, thankyou. I stand corrected. It seems then that the 1985 Transport Act is responsible and at fault, however, I think this is so that large companies can't subsidise routes in order to bankrupt competitors. However, the large companies have continually done so. This is the pervesity of deregulating the buses and creating a market which results in the tax payer subsidising loss making routes while the bus companies can skim off the profit from profitable routes! Its worse than I thought! Clearly, the first step is to re-regulate the buses.[/p][/quote]Roger had tried to run the Big Lemon out of town by flooding the route to the University. More competition and less French a**e kissing by the Brighton and Hove Chamber of commerce please. It is getting embarrassing. Dealing with idiots
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8:40pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Stop the spend on vanity projects such as unused car charging points for the rich Eco drivers who can splash out £20,000 on a new car and support those who use public transport. These should be sponsored by the car manufacturers anyway.
Also stop wasting public money on unnecessary bus lanes such as the one proposed for Lewes Road and spend in vital services.
It's not rocket science. Focus on need not want.
And don't start that ludicrous EU
Nonsense that the money comes
From brussels. Its still tax payers
Money.
Stop the spend on vanity projects such as unused car charging points for the rich Eco drivers who can splash out £20,000 on a new car and support those who use public transport. These should be sponsored by the car manufacturers anyway. Also stop wasting public money on unnecessary bus lanes such as the one proposed for Lewes Road and spend in vital services. It's not rocket science. Focus on need not want. And don't start that ludicrous EU Nonsense that the money comes From brussels. Its still tax payers Money. Maxwell's Ghost
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8:44pm Fri 8 Jun 12

D5 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city.

But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut?

Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus);

"Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits.

Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.
Your post is utter rubbish.
How can B&H be "retained?" the entire industry was de-regulated during the thatcher era. Like all the utilities,BT etc
Don't vote tory.

Ps- my go-ahead pension isn't fat cat by the way -can you make sure i get more though being an employee perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city. But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut? Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus); "Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits. Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.[/p][/quote]Your post is utter rubbish. How can B&H be "retained?" the entire industry was de-regulated during the thatcher era. Like all the utilities,BT etc Don't vote tory. Ps- my go-ahead pension isn't fat cat by the way -can you make sure i get more though being an employee perhaps? D5
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8:57pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Dealing with idiots says...

D5 wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city.

But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut?

Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus);

"Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits.

Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.
Your post is utter rubbish.
How can B&H be "retained?" the entire industry was de-regulated during the thatcher era. Like all the utilities,BT etc
Don't vote tory.

Ps- my go-ahead pension isn't fat cat by the way -can you make sure i get more though being an employee perhaps?
One of the main problems with our green administration is that they don't have any business experience. I hear that Kim Jong Kitcat recently had an embarrassing time at a Chamber of commerce breakfast where a brave soul passed out copies of Kc's last years accounts. Wow 7k profit. Definitely the man to be in charge of the budget for our city.
[quote][p][bold]D5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “The Greens are now cutting bus services at the same time as massively increasing parking charges in the city. But why are they doing this? Could it be that desperate measures are now required due to Labour and Conservative conniving to prevent a small council tax rise? The council is down £5million by my reckoning. Of course, if these services were to be continued the political opportunists would point of the high level of subsidy! I level these cuts at Labour and Conservative doors. Otherwise, what would they cut? Another comment that could be attributable to Jason Kitkat, but the punctuation of the article is confusing (please clarify Argus); "Commercial companies cannot use profits from popular routes to fund loss-making services." is not true. Commercial companies choose not to cross subsidise and generally maximise profits. Had B&H buses been retained in the public sector, or a not-for-profit company, it would have been able to reinvest its £5million+ profits back into the local network and cross subsidise loss making routes without relying on the public purse. Instead profits pay dividents and super-fat salaries and pensions for the Go-ahead board members.[/p][/quote]Your post is utter rubbish. How can B&H be "retained?" the entire industry was de-regulated during the thatcher era. Like all the utilities,BT etc Don't vote tory. Ps- my go-ahead pension isn't fat cat by the way -can you make sure i get more though being an employee perhaps?[/p][/quote]One of the main problems with our green administration is that they don't have any business experience. I hear that Kim Jong Kitcat recently had an embarrassing time at a Chamber of commerce breakfast where a brave soul passed out copies of Kc's last years accounts. Wow 7k profit. Definitely the man to be in charge of the budget for our city. Dealing with idiots
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9:07pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I have been asking for weeks
Why there is a number 25 bus every five minutes along the Lewes Road to the unis and in the morning sometimes there are literally four bumper to bumper completely empty.
I suggested that this huge impact on the environment be investigated before any work was
Allowed to be carried out on creating an unnecessary bus lane in this route.
Now I read an allegation that B&H buses are possibly doing this to drive a competitor out. And this council still wants to put a lane in for a monopoly provider.
This is a serious allegation and I will be contacting my MP and the tax payers alliance.
I have been asking for weeks Why there is a number 25 bus every five minutes along the Lewes Road to the unis and in the morning sometimes there are literally four bumper to bumper completely empty. I suggested that this huge impact on the environment be investigated before any work was Allowed to be carried out on creating an unnecessary bus lane in this route. Now I read an allegation that B&H buses are possibly doing this to drive a competitor out. And this council still wants to put a lane in for a monopoly provider. This is a serious allegation and I will be contacting my MP and the tax payers alliance. Maxwell's Ghost
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9:17pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Dealing with idiots says...

If your MP is Dr Lucas then don't bother. She is a lovely person but it would seem has absolutely zero influence with the gang of four, Kitcat, Davey, West & Duncan. They have their own totalitarian vision for the city. No wonder she has started to distance herself as an act of political self preservation.
If your MP is Dr Lucas then don't bother. She is a lovely person but it would seem has absolutely zero influence with the gang of four, Kitcat, Davey, West & Duncan. They have their own totalitarian vision for the city. No wonder she has started to distance herself as an act of political self preservation. Dealing with idiots
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9:23pm Fri 8 Jun 12

george smith says...

BB1975 wrote:
What is this council trying to achieve? On the one hand massively increasing parking charges and then cutting public transport routes. On top of that Brighton and Hove buses increased their fares, for the second time in 6 months in April, to extortionate rates. The council say they want to discourage people from using their cars but how does this help make that happen? I’ve no time for the Conservatives and Labour didn’t do a great job of running this council but the Greens seem to be completely clueless, making the most contradictory and ridiculous decisions ever. It seems to me it’s always those who can least afford it that pay the price during times of recession. While Brighton and Hove Buses continues to rake in profits those of us who have no choice but to use their bus services suffer.
Totally agree
[quote][p][bold]BB1975[/bold] wrote: What is this council trying to achieve? On the one hand massively increasing parking charges and then cutting public transport routes. On top of that Brighton and Hove buses increased their fares, for the second time in 6 months in April, to extortionate rates. The council say they want to discourage people from using their cars but how does this help make that happen? I’ve no time for the Conservatives and Labour didn’t do a great job of running this council but the Greens seem to be completely clueless, making the most contradictory and ridiculous decisions ever. It seems to me it’s always those who can least afford it that pay the price during times of recession. While Brighton and Hove Buses continues to rake in profits those of us who have no choice but to use their bus services suffer.[/p][/quote]Totally agree george smith
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9:31pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Dealing with idiots says...

If the gang of four, Kitcat, Davey,West and Duncan have decided it is going to happen then it will. They will not be happy until Brighton looks somthig like downtown Beijing in the 70's. Lots of bikes but no freedom.
If the gang of four, Kitcat, Davey,West and Duncan have decided it is going to happen then it will. They will not be happy until Brighton looks somthig like downtown Beijing in the 70's. Lots of bikes but no freedom. Dealing with idiots
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9:49pm Fri 8 Jun 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The things is Dealing I'm a cyclist and I don't want these silly pavement cycle lanes and dropper kerbs.
I want resurfaced roads and secure cycle racks but no one asks the cyclists and none of the councillors are cycling commuters.
The only pedalling they do is propaganda.
The things is Dealing I'm a cyclist and I don't want these silly pavement cycle lanes and dropper kerbs. I want resurfaced roads and secure cycle racks but no one asks the cyclists and none of the councillors are cycling commuters. The only pedalling they do is propaganda. Maxwell's Ghost
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11:11pm Fri 8 Jun 12

sdhgfhfuyt says...

BAHBC are a division of a corporation, not a charity. They care about is reducing operating expenses and stifling the competition.
BAHBC are a division of a corporation, not a charity. They care about is reducing operating expenses and stifling the competition. sdhgfhfuyt
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11:44pm Fri 8 Jun 12

davetrident says...

I have been lucky enough to work at all three bus garages in Brighton & Hove over the years and I can assure Argus readers that closing a garage in the centre of Hove and relocating to the outskirts of Brighton makes no logistical sense. How can this help the bus servive in Hove?
I have been lucky enough to work at all three bus garages in Brighton & Hove over the years and I can assure Argus readers that closing a garage in the centre of Hove and relocating to the outskirts of Brighton makes no logistical sense. How can this help the bus servive in Hove? davetrident
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12:49am Sat 9 Jun 12

Mo Lester says...

Too many empty buses clogging up the roads anyway. You moaners should have stayed in your cars and boycotted them in the first place.
Too many empty buses clogging up the roads anyway. You moaners should have stayed in your cars and boycotted them in the first place. Mo Lester
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7:52am Sat 9 Jun 12

Stu says...

The Heretic wrote:
The 56 service would be a lot more useful to Knoll and Hangleton residents (many elderly and plenty with young families) at it's western end if it served Hove Polyclinic and the Co-op superstore instead of bowling straight along Old Shoreham Road, half the length of which, from Holmes Ave to Hove Park tavern is served by 5/5A.

B&H Bus Co say it's a council issue, the council say it's to serve all but non-existant use at two stops near the cemetaries, which would be easily accessible by 2/2A 5/5A from either end if the council would just open the entrances back up!

So a potentially even more useful service is effectively prevented from being developed by hidebound myopia on the part of the council (and before anyone jumps on the present incumbents, this has been the case for years).
Agree entirely with this. The 56 could be a fantastic bus service. Unfortunately (perhaps) its one of Brighton's best kept secrets. It gets me into town in half the time that the 5 does and theres usually only a handful of people on it during the day. I'd gladly ditch the 5 permanently for the 56, but it only runs once an hour and has punctuality problems. Instead of scrapping it they should put some effort into it by upping the frequency and marketing it as an express service to boost passenger numbers. The fact that it is subsidised now explains why nobody at B&H is interested in this nor even bothered to reply to my comments about it.
[quote][p][bold]The Heretic[/bold] wrote: The 56 service would be a lot more useful to Knoll and Hangleton residents (many elderly and plenty with young families) at it's western end if it served Hove Polyclinic and the Co-op superstore instead of bowling straight along Old Shoreham Road, half the length of which, from Holmes Ave to Hove Park tavern is served by 5/5A. B&H Bus Co say it's a council issue, the council say it's to serve all but non-existant use at two stops near the cemetaries, which would be easily accessible by 2/2A 5/5A from either end if the council would just open the entrances back up! So a potentially even more useful service is effectively prevented from being developed by hidebound myopia on the part of the council (and before anyone jumps on the present incumbents, this has been the case for years).[/p][/quote]Agree entirely with this. The 56 could be a fantastic bus service. Unfortunately (perhaps) its one of Brighton's best kept secrets. It gets me into town in half the time that the 5 does and theres usually only a handful of people on it during the day. I'd gladly ditch the 5 permanently for the 56, but it only runs once an hour and has punctuality problems. Instead of scrapping it they should put some effort into it by upping the frequency and marketing it as an express service to boost passenger numbers. The fact that it is subsidised now explains why nobody at B&H is interested in this nor even bothered to reply to my comments about it. Stu
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8:43am Sat 9 Jun 12

chilliman says...

If the bus depot gets moved to Crowhurst Road we can presumably look forward to no buses running when we get any snow. I live in Patcham which is just abandoned, with buses either stopping at Preston Circus or maybe just going up to the A23 roundabout and then back into town.

Maybe we can have some road clearance at last.
If the bus depot gets moved to Crowhurst Road we can presumably look forward to no buses running when we get any snow. I live in Patcham which is just abandoned, with buses either stopping at Preston Circus or maybe just going up to the A23 roundabout and then back into town. Maybe we can have some road clearance at last. chilliman
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9:39am Sat 9 Jun 12

Morpheus says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
If your MP is Dr Lucas then don't bother. She is a lovely person but it would seem has absolutely zero influence with the gang of four, Kitcat, Davey, West & Duncan. They have their own totalitarian vision for the city. No wonder she has started to distance herself as an act of political self preservation.
Write to any MP and they will tell you that they cannot instruct councillors to change policy.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: If your MP is Dr Lucas then don't bother. She is a lovely person but it would seem has absolutely zero influence with the gang of four, Kitcat, Davey, West & Duncan. They have their own totalitarian vision for the city. No wonder she has started to distance herself as an act of political self preservation.[/p][/quote]Write to any MP and they will tell you that they cannot instruct councillors to change policy. Morpheus
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9:47am Sat 9 Jun 12

Morpheus says...

I've read some rubbish in my time but some of the comments here sum up why the country is in the mess it is. The bus company is a private company that has to make a profit to pay staff and invest in new buses. It cannot run in the way many people are suggesting. The council funds unprofitable routes. If it decides to cut the funding the loss of these routes is nothing to do with the bus company. Get used to the cuts and increasing travel costs because it will only gets worse as the money runs out and the government borrowing and debt continues to increase.
I've read some rubbish in my time but some of the comments here sum up why the country is in the mess it is. The bus company is a private company that has to make a profit to pay staff and invest in new buses. It cannot run in the way many people are suggesting. The council funds unprofitable routes. If it decides to cut the funding the loss of these routes is nothing to do with the bus company. Get used to the cuts and increasing travel costs because it will only gets worse as the money runs out and the government borrowing and debt continues to increase. Morpheus
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9:59am Sat 9 Jun 12

Wendywoodlandh says...

If law say,s so if I was the METRO BUS man ,i would take on the route,s if they are touch profit in it .& give them trial 6 month run????!!
If law say,s so if I was the METRO BUS man ,i would take on the route,s if they are touch profit in it .& give them trial 6 month run????!! Wendywoodlandh
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10:03am Sat 9 Jun 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Absolutely Morpheus and if the bus company want bus lanes pay for them, not tax payers or euro tax payers.
We cannot support a profit making company which we have no stake in.
It's absolutely ludicrous. Next we will be hearing that a green council is allowing a football club to build a car park when the rail way platform hasn't been sorted.
Absolutely Morpheus and if the bus company want bus lanes pay for them, not tax payers or euro tax payers. We cannot support a profit making company which we have no stake in. It's absolutely ludicrous. Next we will be hearing that a green council is allowing a football club to build a car park when the rail way platform hasn't been sorted. Maxwell's Ghost
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10:28am Sat 9 Jun 12

sussex12 says...

I have to hold my hands up and say I was one of the people who voted the Greens in. Cant wait to get them out now. At the time they seemed like a breath of fresh air and couldnt I thought do a worse job than the conservatives or labour . How wrong I was. As other people say making it difficult to use a car in town and yet cutting bus services and increasing fares. My children go to Blatchington Mill and I used to live in Westdene, if they cut that bus then theres no option but to use cars otherwise the kids will have to take a bus into town and then out again a couple of hours journey, and the bus service was always unreliable in Westdene (apart from the park and ride which has gone I believe) so you had to have a car. Greens are spending our money on digging up roads all over the town to make green cycle lanes....do they not realise how much fuel and pollution we are using/creating sitting in traffic jams all day. Thats not very green in my book.
I have to hold my hands up and say I was one of the people who voted the Greens in. Cant wait to get them out now. At the time they seemed like a breath of fresh air and couldnt I thought do a worse job than the conservatives or labour . How wrong I was. As other people say making it difficult to use a car in town and yet cutting bus services and increasing fares. My children go to Blatchington Mill and I used to live in Westdene, if they cut that bus then theres no option but to use cars otherwise the kids will have to take a bus into town and then out again a couple of hours journey, and the bus service was always unreliable in Westdene (apart from the park and ride which has gone I believe) so you had to have a car. Greens are spending our money on digging up roads all over the town to make green cycle lanes....do they not realise how much fuel and pollution we are using/creating sitting in traffic jams all day. Thats not very green in my book. sussex12
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1:10pm Sat 9 Jun 12

Acheron says...

Morpheus wrote:
I've read some rubbish in my time but some of the comments here sum up why the country is in the mess it is. The bus company is a private company that has to make a profit to pay staff and invest in new buses. It cannot run in the way many people are suggesting. The council funds unprofitable routes. If it decides to cut the funding the loss of these routes is nothing to do with the bus company. Get used to the cuts and increasing travel costs because it will only gets worse as the money runs out and the government borrowing and debt continues to increase.
Not that I'm totally disagreeing with you, but don't some private companies operate a 'loss leader' policy on some goods and services? Is just a thought in terms of whether B&H buses should only ever run a bus service if it can be guaranteed to profit from it. Should the highest possible profits come above everything else? I could imagine a lot of services being cut on that basis. Night buses, early morning services, etc.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: I've read some rubbish in my time but some of the comments here sum up why the country is in the mess it is. The bus company is a private company that has to make a profit to pay staff and invest in new buses. It cannot run in the way many people are suggesting. The council funds unprofitable routes. If it decides to cut the funding the loss of these routes is nothing to do with the bus company. Get used to the cuts and increasing travel costs because it will only gets worse as the money runs out and the government borrowing and debt continues to increase.[/p][/quote]Not that I'm totally disagreeing with you, but don't some private companies operate a 'loss leader' policy on some goods and services? Is just a thought in terms of whether B&H buses should only ever run a bus service if it can be guaranteed to profit from it. Should the highest possible profits come above everything else? I could imagine a lot of services being cut on that basis. Night buses, early morning services, etc. Acheron
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2:36pm Sat 9 Jun 12

Lord Mucking Fuddler says...

sussex12 wrote:
I have to hold my hands up and say I was one of the people who voted the Greens in. Cant wait to get them out now. At the time they seemed like a breath of fresh air and couldnt I thought do a worse job than the conservatives or labour . How wrong I was. As other people say making it difficult to use a car in town and yet cutting bus services and increasing fares. My children go to Blatchington Mill and I used to live in Westdene, if they cut that bus then theres no option but to use cars otherwise the kids will have to take a bus into town and then out again a couple of hours journey, and the bus service was always unreliable in Westdene (apart from the park and ride which has gone I believe) so you had to have a car. Greens are spending our money on digging up roads all over the town to make green cycle lanes....do they not realise how much fuel and pollution we are using/creating sitting in traffic jams all day. Thats not very green in my book.
I too am truly saddened to admit I voted Green.

Your points (and those of The Heretic) are spot on. Far too sensible for influential people to bother about.

Maybe the council will sort out funding by instead promising the creation of thousands of jobs through the propping-up of various vanity projects with risky loans of tax payers money?

Perhaps they won't be happy until Brighton is using some kind of prehistoric bartering system instead of currency?

Two organically nurtered turnips gets visitors all day parking for their council-approved battery-assisted rickshaw?

Perhaps the council would consider not subsidising any more fossil fuel guzzling bus routes and instead give people free flip-flops to encourage them to walk more and "leave the cars and buses behind".

This might also help social cohesion...people may even start to share flip-flops with neighbours when they're not using them, and remember to take off their flip-flops when not in use.

We'll need flip-flop lanes to replace the empty cycle lanes that nobody uses, and the bus lanes that won't be necessary because there won't be many buses that people can afford.
[quote][p][bold]sussex12[/bold] wrote: I have to hold my hands up and say I was one of the people who voted the Greens in. Cant wait to get them out now. At the time they seemed like a breath of fresh air and couldnt I thought do a worse job than the conservatives or labour . How wrong I was. As other people say making it difficult to use a car in town and yet cutting bus services and increasing fares. My children go to Blatchington Mill and I used to live in Westdene, if they cut that bus then theres no option but to use cars otherwise the kids will have to take a bus into town and then out again a couple of hours journey, and the bus service was always unreliable in Westdene (apart from the park and ride which has gone I believe) so you had to have a car. Greens are spending our money on digging up roads all over the town to make green cycle lanes....do they not realise how much fuel and pollution we are using/creating sitting in traffic jams all day. Thats not very green in my book.[/p][/quote]I too am truly saddened to admit I voted Green. Your points (and those of The Heretic) are spot on. Far too sensible for influential people to bother about. Maybe the council will sort out funding by instead promising the creation of thousands of jobs through the propping-up of various vanity projects with risky loans of tax payers money? Perhaps they won't be happy until Brighton is using some kind of prehistoric bartering system instead of currency? Two organically nurtered turnips gets visitors all day parking for their council-approved battery-assisted rickshaw? Perhaps the council would consider not subsidising any more fossil fuel guzzling bus routes and instead give people free flip-flops to encourage them to walk more and "leave the cars and buses behind". This might also help social cohesion...people may even start to share flip-flops with neighbours when they're not using them, and remember to take off their flip-flops when not in use. We'll need flip-flop lanes to replace the empty cycle lanes that nobody uses, and the bus lanes that won't be necessary because there won't be many buses that people can afford. Lord Mucking Fuddler
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3:55pm Sat 9 Jun 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The new cycle lane in Hove had a blue Merc and a brown Citroen people carrier parked in it this morning, one dig walker and two toddlers on scooters enjoying the smooth surface.
As a commuting cyclist I will bet now that any cyclist moving at a pace will use the road which is flat and avoid the new cycle lane which undulates with dropped kerbs every metre or so.
Any cyclist will tell you that this is ok for hobby cyclist pottering along but for commuting, please just leave us to the roads.
The new cycle lane in Hove had a blue Merc and a brown Citroen people carrier parked in it this morning, one dig walker and two toddlers on scooters enjoying the smooth surface. As a commuting cyclist I will bet now that any cyclist moving at a pace will use the road which is flat and avoid the new cycle lane which undulates with dropped kerbs every metre or so. Any cyclist will tell you that this is ok for hobby cyclist pottering along but for commuting, please just leave us to the roads. Maxwell's Ghost
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4:25pm Sat 9 Jun 12

mimseycal says...

Surely this is going beyond mere ineptitude? I seriously think we need to start thinking in terms of civil disobedience.
Surely this is going beyond mere ineptitude? I seriously think we need to start thinking in terms of civil disobedience. mimseycal
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8:22am Sun 10 Jun 12

Dealing with idiots says...

mimseycal wrote:
Surely this is going beyond mere ineptitude? I seriously think we need to start thinking in terms of civil disobedience.
I think we all need to get together and have a face to face chat about how we can deal with this nutty lot who have grabbed power in the city. Any suggestions as to venue? Not quite a Prague spring but definately a Brighton Autumn.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Surely this is going beyond mere ineptitude? I seriously think we need to start thinking in terms of civil disobedience.[/p][/quote]I think we all need to get together and have a face to face chat about how we can deal with this nutty lot who have grabbed power in the city. Any suggestions as to venue? Not quite a Prague spring but definately a Brighton Autumn. Dealing with idiots
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3:30pm Mon 11 Jun 12

Blatchington Mill Parent says...

ray ellerton wrote:
Private enterprise bus services should take the good with the bad...profit/loss should be calculated on total of ALL routes....why should they pick and choose. There is a recession and i have had to take a hit in last couple of years, so why shouldn't they?
Will someone from B&H Bus Company or the Council please tell me how the children who were sent from Patcham and Westdene to Blatchington Mill and Hove Park Schools as a result of the last school catchment area rearrangement will get to school when the 96 service is cut? This will particularly affect the pupils at Hove Park's lower school campus because of the distance involved. There is no other direct public transport from Westdene and Patcham to these schools. This cut has not been thought through and should be urgently reconsidered.
[quote][p][bold]ray ellerton[/bold] wrote: Private enterprise bus services should take the good with the bad...profit/loss should be calculated on total of ALL routes....why should they pick and choose. There is a recession and i have had to take a hit in last couple of years, so why shouldn't they?[/p][/quote]Will someone from B&H Bus Company or the Council please tell me how the children who were sent from Patcham and Westdene to Blatchington Mill and Hove Park Schools as a result of the last school catchment area rearrangement will get to school when the 96 service is cut? This will particularly affect the pupils at Hove Park's lower school campus because of the distance involved. There is no other direct public transport from Westdene and Patcham to these schools. This cut has not been thought through and should be urgently reconsidered. Blatchington Mill Parent
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9:28pm Mon 11 Jun 12

ghost bus driver says...

john newman wrote:
Why does the council not run its own bus service like it used to years ago. Competition please!
Not allowed to. When Brighton Corporation became Brighton Borough Council it was required to divest of it's transport department, so ran it as a cash starved arms -length operation. You would have to return the city council back a Municipal Corporation to be able to have them run buses directly.
[quote][p][bold]john newman[/bold] wrote: Why does the council not run its own bus service like it used to years ago. Competition please![/p][/quote]Not allowed to. When Brighton Corporation became Brighton Borough Council it was required to divest of it's transport department, so ran it as a cash starved arms -length operation. You would have to return the city council back a Municipal Corporation to be able to have them run buses directly. ghost bus driver
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9:40pm Mon 11 Jun 12

ghost bus driver says...

St Peters wrote:
lorrie1 wrote:
Funny how there cutting bus services, Would this have anything to do with brighton buses moving to crowhurst rd? I
read in the paper the other day that they are creating loads of new jobs, two projects that will cost 2m each, I smell something fishy,
Whats really going on Mr french???
It's smoke and mirrors and bad reporting lorrie. They don't actually create 100's of jobs. 50 jobs a year is natural wastage for drivers at B&H. Once again 'Sir' Roger has spun the story to his own advantage. Let's not forget that Rog the dodge has a large personal financial interest in the Conway street development.
The development, maybe. He no longer owns the garages as they were sold along with the company to Go-Ahead in 1993.
[quote][p][bold]St Peters[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lorrie1[/bold] wrote: Funny how there cutting bus services, Would this have anything to do with brighton buses moving to crowhurst rd? I read in the paper the other day that they are creating loads of new jobs, two projects that will cost 2m each, I smell something fishy, Whats really going on Mr french???[/p][/quote]It's smoke and mirrors and bad reporting lorrie. They don't actually create 100's of jobs. 50 jobs a year is natural wastage for drivers at B&H. Once again 'Sir' Roger has spun the story to his own advantage. Let's not forget that Rog the dodge has a large personal financial interest in the Conway street development.[/p][/quote]The development, maybe. He no longer owns the garages as they were sold along with the company to Go-Ahead in 1993. ghost bus driver
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9:44pm Mon 11 Jun 12

ghost bus driver says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I have been asking for weeks
Why there is a number 25 bus every five minutes along the Lewes Road to the unis and in the morning sometimes there are literally four bumper to bumper completely empty.
I suggested that this huge impact on the environment be investigated before any work was
Allowed to be carried out on creating an unnecessary bus lane in this route.
Now I read an allegation that B&H buses are possibly doing this to drive a competitor out. And this council still wants to put a lane in for a monopoly provider.
This is a serious allegation and I will be contacting my MP and the tax payers alliance.
It's not quite a monopoly as the Lemon still runs service 44 up and down Lewes Rd rather than the 42.

Care to mention where such a competitor would run from? I don't know where they would have a depot, although I know of a site in Hove that is coming up for development in a couple of years...
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I have been asking for weeks Why there is a number 25 bus every five minutes along the Lewes Road to the unis and in the morning sometimes there are literally four bumper to bumper completely empty. I suggested that this huge impact on the environment be investigated before any work was Allowed to be carried out on creating an unnecessary bus lane in this route. Now I read an allegation that B&H buses are possibly doing this to drive a competitor out. And this council still wants to put a lane in for a monopoly provider. This is a serious allegation and I will be contacting my MP and the tax payers alliance.[/p][/quote]It's not quite a monopoly as the Lemon still runs service 44 up and down Lewes Rd rather than the 42. Care to mention where such a competitor would run from? I don't know where they would have a depot, although I know of a site in Hove that is coming up for development in a couple of years... ghost bus driver
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10:28pm Mon 11 Jun 12

Caroline Penn says...

This decision by the Greens makes no sense at all. It will make people with cars more dependent on them, while making life more difficult for those who can not afford them.

Compared to spending on recent council projects, such as the parking consultation & the Biosphere bid, these subsidies are relatively modest sums.

We have launched a petition which you can sign here: http://present.brigh
ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP
etitionDisplay.aspx?
ID=331&RPID=5468949&
HPID=5468949&$LO$=1
This decision by the Greens makes no sense at all. It will make people with cars more dependent on them, while making life more difficult for those who can not afford them. Compared to spending on recent council projects, such as the parking consultation & the Biosphere bid, these subsidies are relatively modest sums. We have launched a petition which you can sign here: http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=331&RPID=5468949& HPID=5468949&$LO$=1 Caroline Penn
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10:44pm Mon 11 Jun 12

mimseycal says...

Done!
Done! mimseycal
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10:15am Tue 12 Jun 12

Tobermory23 says...

Blatchington Mill Parent wrote:
ray ellerton wrote:
Private enterprise bus services should take the good with the bad...profit/loss should be calculated on total of ALL routes....why should they pick and choose. There is a recession and i have had to take a hit in last couple of years, so why shouldn't they?
Will someone from B&H Bus Company or the Council please tell me how the children who were sent from Patcham and Westdene to Blatchington Mill and Hove Park Schools as a result of the last school catchment area rearrangement will get to school when the 96 service is cut? This will particularly affect the pupils at Hove Park's lower school campus because of the distance involved. There is no other direct public transport from Westdene and Patcham to these schools. This cut has not been thought through and should be urgently reconsidered.
As a result of the last school catchment area rearrangement the children of Westdene and Patcham were sent to Patcham High School. Therefore the 96 is only carrying those with a sibling link to Hove schools, and will become redundant.
[quote][p][bold]Blatchington Mill Parent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ray ellerton[/bold] wrote: Private enterprise bus services should take the good with the bad...profit/loss should be calculated on total of ALL routes....why should they pick and choose. There is a recession and i have had to take a hit in last couple of years, so why shouldn't they?[/p][/quote]Will someone from B&H Bus Company or the Council please tell me how the children who were sent from Patcham and Westdene to Blatchington Mill and Hove Park Schools as a result of the last school catchment area rearrangement will get to school when the 96 service is cut? This will particularly affect the pupils at Hove Park's lower school campus because of the distance involved. There is no other direct public transport from Westdene and Patcham to these schools. This cut has not been thought through and should be urgently reconsidered.[/p][/quote]As a result of the last school catchment area rearrangement the children of Westdene and Patcham were sent to Patcham High School. Therefore the 96 is only carrying those with a sibling link to Hove schools, and will become redundant. Tobermory23
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11:25pm Tue 12 Jun 12

ghost bus driver says...

I used to do 96s from time to time. Usually with an 88 seater (the long Smarter Charter ones) and I think I only ever had 20 or so kids on board at most. To be fair to them they were always very well behaved. Only thing you had to watch was a GPS glitch where after you dropped the kids off, you had to head up to Hardwick Road Westbound to do a 5B. You had to really watch it as the system would not always reset and you could end up 6 minutes early by the time you hit Towns Corner.
I used to do 96s from time to time. Usually with an 88 seater (the long Smarter Charter ones) and I think I only ever had 20 or so kids on board at most. To be fair to them they were always very well behaved. Only thing you had to watch was a GPS glitch where after you dropped the kids off, you had to head up to Hardwick Road Westbound to do a 5B. You had to really watch it as the system would not always reset and you could end up 6 minutes early by the time you hit Towns Corner. ghost bus driver
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2:50am Wed 13 Jun 12

Westdener says...

The first round of school catchment changes in 2009 resulted in Westdene/Withdean areas included within the Blatch/Hove Park Catchment hence the relevancy of the No 96. The change to catchment to include these areas within Patcham was imposed by the Council in 2010. Therefore the service remains essential for these kids to get to and from school, of which the vast majority are not siblings.
The first round of school catchment changes in 2009 resulted in Westdene/Withdean areas included within the Blatch/Hove Park Catchment hence the relevancy of the No 96. The change to catchment to include these areas within Patcham was imposed by the Council in 2010. Therefore the service remains essential for these kids to get to and from school, of which the vast majority are not siblings. Westdener
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7:31pm Wed 13 Jun 12

ghost bus driver says...

Westdener wrote:
The first round of school catchment changes in 2009 resulted in Westdene/Withdean areas included within the Blatch/Hove Park Catchment hence the relevancy of the No 96. The change to catchment to include these areas within Patcham was imposed by the Council in 2010. Therefore the service remains essential for these kids to get to and from school, of which the vast majority are not siblings.
Yeah maybe it had more kids on it before they changed them. I think the changes were badly thought out. The 96 only really makes any money on a Monday as the kids mostly get weekly tickets on that one.
[quote][p][bold]Westdener[/bold] wrote: The first round of school catchment changes in 2009 resulted in Westdene/Withdean areas included within the Blatch/Hove Park Catchment hence the relevancy of the No 96. The change to catchment to include these areas within Patcham was imposed by the Council in 2010. Therefore the service remains essential for these kids to get to and from school, of which the vast majority are not siblings.[/p][/quote]Yeah maybe it had more kids on it before they changed them. I think the changes were badly thought out. The 96 only really makes any money on a Monday as the kids mostly get weekly tickets on that one. ghost bus driver
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6:32pm Thu 14 Jun 12

D5 says...

chilliman wrote:
If the bus depot gets moved to Crowhurst Road we can presumably look forward to no buses running when we get any snow. I live in Patcham which is just abandoned, with buses either stopping at Preston Circus or maybe just going up to the A23 roundabout and then back into town.

Maybe we can have some road clearance at last.
like most people on here, you seem to take it highly personally that we have to NOT DRIVE IN SNOW UP HILLS/work for a private company/exist/make profit.........
think about what you are posting ffs
twits
[quote][p][bold]chilliman[/bold] wrote: If the bus depot gets moved to Crowhurst Road we can presumably look forward to no buses running when we get any snow. I live in Patcham which is just abandoned, with buses either stopping at Preston Circus or maybe just going up to the A23 roundabout and then back into town. Maybe we can have some road clearance at last.[/p][/quote]like most people on here, you seem to take it highly personally that we have to NOT DRIVE IN SNOW UP HILLS/work for a private company/exist/make profit......... think about what you are posting ffs twits D5
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10:55pm Sun 1 Jul 12

Smartbloke says...

What a total non-story. Then I get an unsolicited Labour email trying to join their two-bob party to back this non-story. Talk about abusing the Data Protection Act.

People moaning about the council spending money it hasn't got (a Labour policy, I believe) are disgusting hypocrites.
What a total non-story. Then I get an unsolicited Labour email trying to join their two-bob party to back this non-story. Talk about abusing the Data Protection Act. People moaning about the council spending money it hasn't got (a Labour policy, I believe) are disgusting hypocrites. Smartbloke
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