Brighton univeristy bid for late-night student halls' licence (From The Argus)

Not sure they need it. They all congregate round the students who live next door to me and make my life hell all night every night.

What next - will the students be licensed to run brothels?

No concern about the effects of alcohol then

Nice students are able to afford alcohol and even when they do get themselfs out of bed pubs give them student discounts so they can get more drunk and be a nuisance to the residents of Brighton

At least these people are paying their way unlike tens of thousands of benefit claimants, many of whom cause much greater issues for the good tax paying residents of Brighton

There was a time when a university was selected on the quality of its teaching.

They don't pay their way. They don't pay council tax and don't pay any taxes but use all services and the amount of unpaid student loans is now in the billions.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
They don't pay their way. They don't pay council tax and don't pay any taxes but use all services and the amount of unpaid student loans is now in the billions.

But that's not quite correct. They draw down loans, which are used to fund University infrastructure and payroll, the latter provides employment and generates tax. They purchase goods and services, which are taxed at source, these in turn provide work and additional tax generation. They will repay their loans and in the main go on to take up gainful employment.

Well they can pay for a full time community liaison officer then as well or contribute to the council's night partol team instead of wanting more for less.
Sadly we are all paying more for less and the take, take, take culture is at an end and any local person living in a student community (since Blair let any Tom, Dick or Harry in) for the past ten years is no longer tolderating anti-social behaviour.
The Blair Govt came down hard on youths making a misery on deprived estates and now we are asking for the same crack down on youths who just happen to be students.
Same laws, same treatment.
If they shut up and behave, there wont be a problem, but sadly after ten pints, few people are quiet.

Your lastest comment is more balanced, we should target a crack down on problem people and also seek to remove all funding where inappropriate behaviour is identified and proved. My suggested start point would be the most visible groups, i.e. street drinkers, then run a criminal record check against all benefit claimants and remove the benefits. From there who knows.

All anti-social behaviour should be dealt with regardless of who, why or what for.
However we should also be a tad less quick to classify any act that occasionally impacts on us as anti-social.

mimseycal wrote:
All anti-social behaviour should be dealt with regardless of who, why or what for.
However we should also be a tad less quick to classify any act that occasionally impacts on us as anti-social.

Completely agree, hence my point on targeting proven and convicted criminal behaviour.

I can empathise with Max though as persistent light touch noise can become a problem.

Perhaps you should read the scrutiny panel report which was published into student issues in the city.
We are not just talking about noise or japes. Some of the behaviour had been criminal behaviour and warrants police action. However, the police have shirked ownership by categorising student behaviour as an environmental health issue. It isn't. Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour. And while you have taken it upon yourself to suggest which groups should be dealt with first, I disagree as did the hundreds of people who gave evidence to the scrutiny panel and the hundreds of people who call the police and council every year about students.
And you are rather pompous with your comments about street drinkers and benefit claimants particularly as we have the highest number of unemployed graduates in the EU claiming benefit and if you trawl the councils press release archive there are a good few students with criminal convictions for anti social behaviour, criminal damage and noise.
Street drinkers usually have mental health problems or have come from the care system.
Most students are just self absorbed and selfish and we just don't care for it anymore.
But perhaps you and clubrob can set up some sort of eugenics club where you wipe out the mentally ill as they don't fit your idea of city life and who you think deserves to be here.
Well we are local and we are staying here and it's our town and thankfully the law will ensure that the majority are represented not you and clubrob.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Perhaps you should read the scrutiny panel report which was published into student issues in the city.
We are not just talking about noise or japes. Some of the behaviour had been criminal behaviour and warrants police action. However, the police have shirked ownership by categorising student behaviour as an environmental health issue. It isn't. Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour. And while you have taken it upon yourself to suggest which groups should be dealt with first, I disagree as did the hundreds of people who gave evidence to the scrutiny panel and the hundreds of people who call the police and council every year about students.
And you are rather pompous with your comments about street drinkers and benefit claimants particularly as we have the highest number of unemployed graduates in the EU claiming benefit and if you trawl the councils press release archive there are a good few students with criminal convictions for anti social behaviour, criminal damage and noise.
Street drinkers usually have mental health problems or have come from the care system.
Most students are just self absorbed and selfish and we just don't care for it anymore.
But perhaps you and clubrob can set up some sort of eugenics club where you wipe out the mentally ill as they don't fit your idea of city life and who you think deserves to be here.
Well we are local and we are staying here and it's our town and thankfully the law will ensure that the majority are represented not you and clubrob.

Suggest you put your energy into resolving the many real issues you face, rather than talking about them on here.

Personal view is that there should be a zero benefit system.

Get on and get over it!

Reflect on your post wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Perhaps you should read the scrutiny panel report which was published into student issues in the city. We are not just talking about noise or japes. Some of the behaviour had been criminal behaviour and warrants police action. However, the police have shirked ownership by categorising student behaviour as an environmental health issue. It isn't. Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour. And while you have taken it upon yourself to suggest which groups should be dealt with first, I disagree as did the hundreds of people who gave evidence to the scrutiny panel and the hundreds of people who call the police and council every year about students. And you are rather pompous with your comments about street drinkers and benefit claimants particularly as we have the highest number of unemployed graduates in the EU claiming benefit and if you trawl the councils press release archive there are a good few students with criminal convictions for anti social behaviour, criminal damage and noise. Street drinkers usually have mental health problems or have come from the care system. Most students are just self absorbed and selfish and we just don't care for it anymore. But perhaps you and clubrob can set up some sort of eugenics club where you wipe out the mentally ill as they don't fit your idea of city life and who you think deserves to be here. Well we are local and we are staying here and it's our town and thankfully the law will ensure that the majority are represented not you and clubrob.

Suggest you put your energy into resolving the many real issues you face, rather than talking about them on here. Personal view is that there should be a zero benefit system. Get on and get over it!

I would hazard a guess that you are a greenie, taking to hurling abuse if someone elses view doesn't suit you. Cannot imagine why you think students drinking is ok, I can imagine some of the street drinkers started young and it was a habit that couldn't be broken until they became street drinkers. This idea of young people drinking until they are legless is a rite of passage is dangerous nonsense.

george smith wrote:

Reflect on your post wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Perhaps you should read the scrutiny panel report which was published into student issues in the city. We are not just talking about noise or japes. Some of the behaviour had been criminal behaviour and warrants police action. However, the police have shirked ownership by categorising student behaviour as an environmental health issue. It isn't. Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour. And while you have taken it upon yourself to suggest which groups should be dealt with first, I disagree as did the hundreds of people who gave evidence to the scrutiny panel and the hundreds of people who call the police and council every year about students. And you are rather pompous with your comments about street drinkers and benefit claimants particularly as we have the highest number of unemployed graduates in the EU claiming benefit and if you trawl the councils press release archive there are a good few students with criminal convictions for anti social behaviour, criminal damage and noise. Street drinkers usually have mental health problems or have come from the care system. Most students are just self absorbed and selfish and we just don't care for it anymore. But perhaps you and clubrob can set up some sort of eugenics club where you wipe out the mentally ill as they don't fit your idea of city life and who you think deserves to be here. Well we are local and we are staying here and it's our town and thankfully the law will ensure that the majority are represented not you and clubrob.

Suggest you put your energy into resolving the many real issues you face, rather than talking about them on here. Personal view is that there should be a zero benefit system. Get on and get over it!

I would hazard a guess that you are a greenie, taking to hurling abuse if someone elses view doesn't suit you. Cannot imagine why you think students drinking is ok, I can imagine some of the street drinkers started young and it was a habit that couldn't be broken until they became street drinkers. This idea of young people drinking until they are legless is a rite of passage is dangerous nonsense.

Couldn't be further from the truth and whilst I obviously don't condone anti-social behaviour, do think police and authorities need to target and address the worst first.
Went down to the beach earlier with my bird and witnessed so many 'street drinkers'.

All anti-social behaviour needs to be addressed.

Personally I also feel that demeaning references to other individuals should be frowned upon but ... hey hop.

Reflect on your post is a troll. Don't take the bait.

I find those comments from Max unkind