Rounder Records hopes for investor to stop closure

STILL HOPEFUL: Rounder Records owner Phil Barton

CLEARANCE SALE: Rounder Records yesterday

First published in News by

For 46 years, residents in Brighton and Hove have been seeking the sage advice of the music experts from Rounder Records for what record to next drop the needle on or which CD to slip into the drive.

Sadly, that fountain of knowledge sitting in Brighton Square, Brighton is set to be turned off after the store’s owners announced yesterday that it would be closing its doors for the final time at the end of this month.

The tributes that flooded The Argus website and Facebook site and Twitter, as well as from local music stars like Carl Cox, music industry figures and customers, prove the store was much more than just a retailer.

And while the news will prove particularly hard for the shop’s owner of almost 13 years, Phil Barton, his three full-time staff of equal service and handful of part-time staff, its loss has also raised questions about how well other independent stores are faring in difficult times.

Battered by the wettest of British summers, an economic downturn that shows no sign of abating and an unpopular increase in parking charges, many independent traders are feeling the pinch.

And if they are struggling, then the city struggles.

A recent survey by Brighton and Hove City Council estimated that independent stores account for more than £200 million in the local economy every year.

The council report highlighted the economic downturn and ever-growing online sector as threats to the city’s retail sector but said Brighton and Hove was holding up well compared with the rest of the country when it came to empty shops.

This will come as little comfort to Rounder owner Phil Barton who yesterday called time on the store, which will close on July 29.

Losing money

He told The Argus yesterday that the store had been losing money for the best part of five years and said he could no longer continue in a battle against illegal downloaders, big online retailers and the recession.

With the store’s lease coming up for renewal, Mr Barton hoped for a final reprieve from an investor to help fund a move to a new premises where they would increase their focus on vinyl.

Mr Barton said he still held out hope that an investor might come forward to keep the store going before the end of the month.

He added: “We looked at various other options but haven’t been able to secure the finance.

“The banks aren’t going to support a business that hasn’t made making a profit for five years so we have been looking for individuals who were interested in what we do.

“It’s not a good day, it’s been a very difficult and emotional day.

“There are cities bigger than Brighton that don’t have any independent record stores at all so the people in Brighton are very lucky.

“I want to look after my staff who have been so loyal and I want to exit this with some sort of grace if I can.

“We want to stress that we’re not closed yet.

“We’re here until the end of the month and we need to sell off the stock so all our people can get paid.

“So people should drop by to say goodbye, and buy a record.”

Independent Traders
The difficulties of Rounder records to cope with the economic downturn among other evils are the same problems facing all independent retailers.

Some business leaders, though, are optimistic that traders are well placed to weather the storm.

David Sewell, pictured, chair of the North Laine Traders Association, said independent stores were struggling in the face of poor weather, the economic downturn and increased parking charges but were better placed to brave out the storm than high street retailers.

He said: "Traders are just trying to keep trading and hope for better times.

"The bigger chains that over-borrowed and opened willy nilly without thinking are closing but independent businesses will just take less profit at the end of the year.

"Most traders will survive but it won't be a good year.

"I think most of the North Laine traders are pretty good at what they do, most have a unique selling point and know their businesses."

However, some figures are less optimistic that independent traders will simply be able to keep themselves ticking over during their current difficulties.

Alan Moon, owner of wool shop Cocoon in George Street, Hove, is one of several retailers who was recently consulted by the council in preparing a report on the city's retail sector.

He said that George Street currently had the highest number of empty shops he |had seen in his three years there.

He added: "It's a nightmare.

"The biggest thing against smaller independent traders is business rates.

"For shops in George Street, it will be the business rates that finish them off.

"We have a lot of charity shops in George Street and they don't pay business rates which doesn't help the independents.

"Traders in the North Laine are probably fine, they are always well-supported, but many other independents are just hanging on."

Martin Lawrence, owner of art supplies store TN Lawrence & Son in Portland Road, Hove, said it was a matter of survival for shop owners.

He added: "The problem with national stores closing down is probably to do with their borrowing capacity whereas independents are probably more prepared to take smaller profits.

"A lot of business is moving online and if that takes 10 to 20% of sales, that makes it more difficult for shops to remain in the city.

"If retailers can stick it out now, I'm sure it will get better in the future.

"It's probably better to start a business in a recession. If you can survive, you will be well placed when things pick up again."

Ed Allison-Wright, director of Centurion Group which owns Brighton Square, was among the first to express their condolences at the loss of the legendary store.

He said: “We are sad to see Rounder Records leave the heart of the Lanes; they have been trading in Brighton Square for as long as it has existed.

“We wish everyone at Rounder the best of luck in their future endeavours and thank them for their long-standing relationship with Brighton Square.”

Commiserations

Fellow record shops also added their commiserations to see the loss of Rounder from the city’s shopping centre.

Derry Watkins, owner of Resident in Kensington Gardens, echoed Mr Barton’s comments that online shopping had a large negative impact on their business.

He said customers turned online out of habit, even though they didn’t represent as good value now that loopholes that allowed them to operate outside the UK and avoid VAT had been closed.

He added: “I think the Brighton music scene is more vibrant than anywhere else in the country relative to its size, and you won’t find anywhere with more record shops for its size.

“It is still a great place to buy music but just that bit poorer with the closure of Rounder.”

George Ginn, 82, has been running The Record Album in Terminus Road since 1962.

The shop itself is the longest running independent record store in the city and has had top music stars including Radiohead, Damon Albarn and Brian Eno cross its threshold.

He said: “It’s getting very, very tough indeed.

“No retail shop is immune from this.

“Records are a luxury and when you are up against it financially something has to give.

“But although the CD market is shrinking fast, they are pressing more vinyl now than in the last 20 years, and very good quality too.

“My lease expires here in 2014 and I am hoping that if I’m still feeling frisky at 84 then I will try to renew the lease.”

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12:09pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Tedious Pedant says...

Didn't you report yesterday that Phil Barton said "downloads (both legal and illegal)"?
Didn't you report yesterday that Phil Barton said "downloads (both legal and illegal)"? Tedious Pedant
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12:12pm Tue 10 Jul 12

lordenglandofsussex says...

A business must adapt or die, it is as simple as that.

Complaining about a minority of people who download music files illegally is besides the point. What about the millions who do pay to download music?

The days of vinyl and CD's are history. Mr Barton needs a reality check.
A business must adapt or die, it is as simple as that. Complaining about a minority of people who download music files illegally is besides the point. What about the millions who do pay to download music? The days of vinyl and CD's are history. Mr Barton needs a reality check. lordenglandofsussex
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12:15pm Tue 10 Jul 12

spa301 says...

How comes this story is remaining, since this morning, as the main website headline? Whilst sad and a sign of the times it hardly merits continuous 'top billing' does it?
How comes this story is remaining, since this morning, as the main website headline? Whilst sad and a sign of the times it hardly merits continuous 'top billing' does it? spa301
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12:19pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Ligand Fields says...

It's what's called an "advertorial", spa301.
It's what's called an "advertorial", spa301. Ligand Fields
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12:19pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Fercri Sakes says...

Ha, blaming parking charges again! Can The Argus stop this drip-drip of misinformation.

The economy is going down the chute because of the Etonians in Westminster. That's why I haven't been down the high street much over the last year. Nothing to do with parking charges.

But no, let's blame the Greens as per usual.
Ha, blaming parking charges again! Can The Argus stop this drip-drip of misinformation. The economy is going down the chute because of the Etonians in Westminster. That's why I haven't been down the high street much over the last year. Nothing to do with parking charges. But no, let's blame the Greens as per usual. Fercri Sakes
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12:32pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Fight Back says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Ha, blaming parking charges again! Can The Argus stop this drip-drip of misinformation.

The economy is going down the chute because of the Etonians in Westminster. That's why I haven't been down the high street much over the last year. Nothing to do with parking charges.

But no, let's blame the Greens as per usual.
It's a combination of events :

> An over spending previous government

> An over cutting current government

> A global financial crash

and, in Brighton & Hove, excessive parking charges.

I long go to the city centre shops because I refuse to pay the stupidly high parking costs. Whether the Greens want to believe that or not is up to them but I know I'm not alone in my boycott of the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: Ha, blaming parking charges again! Can The Argus stop this drip-drip of misinformation. The economy is going down the chute because of the Etonians in Westminster. That's why I haven't been down the high street much over the last year. Nothing to do with parking charges. But no, let's blame the Greens as per usual.[/p][/quote]It's a combination of events : > An over spending previous government > An over cutting current government > A global financial crash and, in Brighton & Hove, excessive parking charges. I long go to the city centre shops because I refuse to pay the stupidly high parking costs. Whether the Greens want to believe that or not is up to them but I know I'm not alone in my boycott of the city centre. Fight Back
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12:33pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Fight Back says...

That should have read :

"Long ago I stopped going to the city centre shops"
That should have read : "Long ago I stopped going to the city centre shops" Fight Back
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12:36pm Tue 10 Jul 12

rolivan says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Ha, blaming parking charges again! Can The Argus stop this drip-drip of misinformation.

The economy is going down the chute because of the Etonians in Westminster. That's why I haven't been down the high street much over the last year. Nothing to do with parking charges.

But no, let's blame the Greens as per usual.
Back when the shop first opened there wasn't the amount of one hit wonders that are prevelent now.How do you keep up?He has had a good run.Time to put your feet up.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: Ha, blaming parking charges again! Can The Argus stop this drip-drip of misinformation. The economy is going down the chute because of the Etonians in Westminster. That's why I haven't been down the high street much over the last year. Nothing to do with parking charges. But no, let's blame the Greens as per usual.[/p][/quote]Back when the shop first opened there wasn't the amount of one hit wonders that are prevelent now.How do you keep up?He has had a good run.Time to put your feet up. rolivan
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12:53pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Ligand Fields says...

Shall we have an appeal to save Brighton's tradition blacksmiths? I gather their trade has dwindled horribly ever since the motor car replaced horse-drawn carriages.
Shall we have an appeal to save Brighton's tradition blacksmiths? I gather their trade has dwindled horribly ever since the motor car replaced horse-drawn carriages. Ligand Fields
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1:08pm Tue 10 Jul 12

simonandrewuk says...

They didn't give me a job after I went there for an interview so I don't care.
They didn't give me a job after I went there for an interview so I don't care. simonandrewuk
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1:19pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Ligand Fields says...

simonandrewuk wrote:
They didn't give me a job after I went there for an interview so I don't care.
Don't let it get you down, simonandrew - look at Yosser Hughes - no-one would give him a job, and now he's King of Rohan.
[quote][p][bold]simonandrewuk[/bold] wrote: They didn't give me a job after I went there for an interview so I don't care.[/p][/quote]Don't let it get you down, simonandrew - look at Yosser Hughes - no-one would give him a job, and now he's King of Rohan. Ligand Fields
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1:26pm Tue 10 Jul 12

RickH says...

Pity such a leading light in the recorded entertainment industry doesn't know that breaking copyright material is a civil offence and there unlawful (as opposed to an 'illegal' criminal offence). Blaming this and parking charges is simply barking up the wrong tree. High-street 'record shops' are an old business model that have failed to adapt to the digitised age - simples.
Pity such a leading light in the recorded entertainment industry doesn't know that breaking copyright material is a civil offence and there unlawful (as opposed to an 'illegal' criminal offence). Blaming this and parking charges is simply barking up the wrong tree. High-street 'record shops' are an old business model that have failed to adapt to the digitised age - simples. RickH
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1:47pm Tue 10 Jul 12

deanaprior says...

Ed Allison-Wright, director of Centurion Group which owns Brighton Square, was among the first to express their condolences at the loss of the legendary store.

While singing " he ain't heavy he's my brother"
Ed Allison-Wright, director of Centurion Group which owns Brighton Square, was among the first to express their condolences at the loss of the legendary store. While singing " he ain't heavy he's my brother" deanaprior
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2:08pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Billyboyarnold says...

Can anyone tell me if this is the same shop that used to be on Portland Road Hove a few years back. Brighton Bill Bradford West Yorkshire (AKA Yorkshire Seagull).
Can anyone tell me if this is the same shop that used to be on Portland Road Hove a few years back. Brighton Bill Bradford West Yorkshire (AKA Yorkshire Seagull). Billyboyarnold
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4:23pm Tue 10 Jul 12

A.P. says...

A welcoming place where you can listen before you buy, staffed by friendly, very knowledgeable guys who are only too willing to offer advice or help you find what you are after, then sell you it cheaper than the chain store up the road - what better "business model" is there?

Maybe I am old fashioned, but I like a bit of human interaction.
A welcoming place where you can listen before you buy, staffed by friendly, very knowledgeable guys who are only too willing to offer advice or help you find what you are after, then sell you it cheaper than the chain store up the road - what better "business model" is there? Maybe I am old fashioned, but I like a bit of human interaction. A.P.
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4:38pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Billyboyarnold says...

A.P. wrote:
A welcoming place where you can listen before you buy, staffed by friendly, very knowledgeable guys who are only too willing to offer advice or help you find what you are after, then sell you it cheaper than the chain store up the road - what better "business model" is there?

Maybe I am old fashioned, but I like a bit of human interaction.
Don't we all lol
[quote][p][bold]A.P.[/bold] wrote: A welcoming place where you can listen before you buy, staffed by friendly, very knowledgeable guys who are only too willing to offer advice or help you find what you are after, then sell you it cheaper than the chain store up the road - what better "business model" is there? Maybe I am old fashioned, but I like a bit of human interaction.[/p][/quote]Don't we all lol Billyboyarnold
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4:44pm Tue 10 Jul 12

A.P. says...

You've got a dirty mind, Billyboyarnold

:-0)
You've got a dirty mind, Billyboyarnold :-0) A.P.
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4:47pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Billyboyarnold says...

A.P. wrote:
You've got a dirty mind, Billyboyarnold

:-0)
I don't mind you saying that if your laughing, can you answer my question?
[quote][p][bold]A.P.[/bold] wrote: You've got a dirty mind, Billyboyarnold :-0)[/p][/quote]I don't mind you saying that if your laughing, can you answer my question? Billyboyarnold
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4:52pm Tue 10 Jul 12

A.P. says...

Their statement on Twitter said;

"We will shut our doors at 6pm on Sunday 29 July after 46 years of being a record shop in Brighton Square"

So I guess it's not the same shop you asked about.
Their statement on Twitter said; "We will shut our doors at 6pm on Sunday 29 July after 46 years of being a record shop in Brighton Square" So I guess it's not the same shop you asked about. A.P.
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5:01pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Billyboyarnold says...

Is "Brighton Square" the same as "Churchill Square"?
Is "Brighton Square" the same as "Churchill Square"? Billyboyarnold
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5:56pm Tue 10 Jul 12

A.P. says...

Billyboyarnold wrote:
Is "Brighton Square" the same as "Churchill Square"?
Brighton Square is in the middle of the Lanes, where the dophin fountain is.
[quote][p][bold]Billyboyarnold[/bold] wrote: Is "Brighton Square" the same as "Churchill Square"?[/p][/quote]Brighton Square is in the middle of the Lanes, where the dophin fountain is. A.P.
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6:16pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Kate234 says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Ha, blaming parking charges again! Can The Argus stop this drip-drip of misinformation.

The economy is going down the chute because of the Etonians in Westminster. That's why I haven't been down the high street much over the last year. Nothing to do with parking charges.

But no, let's blame the Greens as per usual.
Yes lets blame the Greens. Every idiot can figure out in a recession you do not alienate the people that can help you survive. Therefore tourists, shoppers etc that support the local economy and jobs with it. This means you do not increase parking charges so people's eyes water when they drive into Brighton and see them and vow to go to Crawley instead of Brighton when they are next making their decision as to where to go shopping when they live in Sussex. So yes lets blame the Greens for this. The Greens can't help the recession but they didn't need to try an decimate the local economy with this policy. It would be great if the Argus got a quote from our ridiculous Green leaders as to how they can still justify this policy. Perhaps ask them how many businesses need to close down before they look at reversing it? Or perhaps how many people need to oppose these rises before they rethink them. This is not meant to be a dictatorship. They should stop telling us what is good for us and listen to what the people actually want.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: Ha, blaming parking charges again! Can The Argus stop this drip-drip of misinformation. The economy is going down the chute because of the Etonians in Westminster. That's why I haven't been down the high street much over the last year. Nothing to do with parking charges. But no, let's blame the Greens as per usual.[/p][/quote]Yes lets blame the Greens. Every idiot can figure out in a recession you do not alienate the people that can help you survive. Therefore tourists, shoppers etc that support the local economy and jobs with it. This means you do not increase parking charges so people's eyes water when they drive into Brighton and see them and vow to go to Crawley instead of Brighton when they are next making their decision as to where to go shopping when they live in Sussex. So yes lets blame the Greens for this. The Greens can't help the recession but they didn't need to try an decimate the local economy with this policy. It would be great if the Argus got a quote from our ridiculous Green leaders as to how they can still justify this policy. Perhaps ask them how many businesses need to close down before they look at reversing it? Or perhaps how many people need to oppose these rises before they rethink them. This is not meant to be a dictatorship. They should stop telling us what is good for us and listen to what the people actually want. Kate234
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6:46pm Tue 10 Jul 12

A.P. says...

I had an appointment in the Clifton Hill area the other week, the appointment itself was to last an hour so I had to park for two. Six flaming quid!

It's that or two buses each way plus a ten minute walk, each way.

In fact I found I could park at St Anne's Well cheaper, but someone coming in to Brighton wouldn't know that.

Get rid of the Greens.
I had an appointment in the Clifton Hill area the other week, the appointment itself was to last an hour so I had to park for two. Six flaming quid! It's that or two buses each way plus a ten minute walk, each way. In fact I found I could park at St Anne's Well cheaper, but someone coming in to Brighton wouldn't know that. Get rid of the Greens. A.P.
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8:04pm Tue 10 Jul 12

Morpheus says...

lordenglandofsussex wrote:
A business must adapt or die, it is as simple as that.

Complaining about a minority of people who download music files illegally is besides the point. What about the millions who do pay to download music?

The days of vinyl and CD's are history. Mr Barton needs a reality check.
Unfortunately, I think you are right, but downloading seems to make music impersonal. I like to browse a record shop rather than hear something and then download and forget it just as quickly. CDs can be passed on as a collection, say as an inheritance, but downloads will be lost well the first time a phone is lost or equipment fails.
[quote][p][bold]lordenglandofsussex[/bold] wrote: A business must adapt or die, it is as simple as that. Complaining about a minority of people who download music files illegally is besides the point. What about the millions who do pay to download music? The days of vinyl and CD's are history. Mr Barton needs a reality check.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, I think you are right, but downloading seems to make music impersonal. I like to browse a record shop rather than hear something and then download and forget it just as quickly. CDs can be passed on as a collection, say as an inheritance, but downloads will be lost well the first time a phone is lost or equipment fails. Morpheus
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11:24pm Tue 10 Jul 12

saveHOVE says...

All those obsessed with the parking charges listen up: This council is likely to be fined very heavily (millions) for breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels and the only way to get the air quality legal is to reduce the vehicle emissions that cause the problem.

Either the Council will have to use taxpayers money to pay these fines or it asks the polluters to pay (parking charges). Suck it up.
All those obsessed with the parking charges listen up: This council is likely to be fined very heavily (millions) for breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels and the only way to get the air quality legal is to reduce the vehicle emissions that cause the problem. Either the Council will have to use taxpayers money to pay these fines or it asks the polluters to pay (parking charges). Suck it up. saveHOVE
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11:36pm Tue 10 Jul 12

A.P. says...

saveHOVE wrote:
All those obsessed with the parking charges listen up: This council is likely to be fined very heavily (millions) for breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels and the only way to get the air quality legal is to reduce the vehicle emissions that cause the problem.

Either the Council will have to use taxpayers money to pay these fines or it asks the polluters to pay (parking charges). Suck it up.
I'm more than willing to be convinced if shown the proof that the council is about to be fined millions for "breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels"

The only thing I can see on the council website on air quality says;

"In Brighton & Hove, the air quality is expected to meet air quality objectives.

All of the pollutants monitored in the city can have health effects if in large enough concentrations. Although there is no evidence that pollution from road traffic causes asthma, poor air quality can bring on symptoms to those who have respiratory problems.

This is why Brighton & Hove City Council will continue to monitor the air quality and issue warnings when the air quality is forecast to be poor enough to give possible problems."

I must have missed something - can you provide links/ info please?
[quote][p][bold]saveHOVE[/bold] wrote: All those obsessed with the parking charges listen up: This council is likely to be fined very heavily (millions) for breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels and the only way to get the air quality legal is to reduce the vehicle emissions that cause the problem. Either the Council will have to use taxpayers money to pay these fines or it asks the polluters to pay (parking charges). Suck it up.[/p][/quote]I'm more than willing to be convinced if shown the proof that the council is about to be fined millions for "breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels" The only thing I can see on the council website on air quality says; "In Brighton & Hove, the air quality is expected to meet air quality objectives. All of the pollutants monitored in the city can have health effects if in large enough concentrations. Although there is no evidence that pollution from road traffic causes asthma, poor air quality can bring on symptoms to those who have respiratory problems. This is why Brighton & Hove City Council will continue to monitor the air quality and issue warnings when the air quality is forecast to be poor enough to give possible problems." I must have missed something - can you provide links/ info please? A.P.
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11:48pm Tue 10 Jul 12

A.P. says...

The other thing I'd like to know is that given walking the journey and back is not an option for me; is driving one person in a small car less or more of a pollutant than transporting half a dozen people in four large diesel buses ?
The other thing I'd like to know is that given walking the journey and back is not an option for me; is driving one person in a small car less or more of a pollutant than transporting half a dozen people in four large diesel buses ? A.P.
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12:35am Wed 11 Jul 12

fredaj says...

saveHOVE wrote:
All those obsessed with the parking charges listen up: This council is likely to be fined very heavily (millions) for breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels and the only way to get the air quality legal is to reduce the vehicle emissions that cause the problem.

Either the Council will have to use taxpayers money to pay these fines or it asks the polluters to pay (parking charges). Suck it up.
You are talking nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]saveHOVE[/bold] wrote: All those obsessed with the parking charges listen up: This council is likely to be fined very heavily (millions) for breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels and the only way to get the air quality legal is to reduce the vehicle emissions that cause the problem. Either the Council will have to use taxpayers money to pay these fines or it asks the polluters to pay (parking charges). Suck it up.[/p][/quote]You are talking nonsense. fredaj
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1:10am Wed 11 Jul 12

Kate234 says...

A.P. wrote:
The other thing I'd like to know is that given walking the journey and back is not an option for me; is driving one person in a small car less or more of a pollutant than transporting half a dozen people in four large diesel buses ?
That's a good question and also why is that the areas of maximum pollution in Brighton are the areas where cars are banned and the area is filled with slow moving buses (Churchill Square, Western Rd next to Churchill Square and North Street). Perhaps the answer is to ban buses.
[quote][p][bold]A.P.[/bold] wrote: The other thing I'd like to know is that given walking the journey and back is not an option for me; is driving one person in a small car less or more of a pollutant than transporting half a dozen people in four large diesel buses ?[/p][/quote]That's a good question and also why is that the areas of maximum pollution in Brighton are the areas where cars are banned and the area is filled with slow moving buses (Churchill Square, Western Rd next to Churchill Square and North Street). Perhaps the answer is to ban buses. Kate234
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6:31am Wed 11 Jul 12

Fight Back says...

fredaj wrote:
saveHOVE wrote:
All those obsessed with the parking charges listen up: This council is likely to be fined very heavily (millions) for breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels and the only way to get the air quality legal is to reduce the vehicle emissions that cause the problem.

Either the Council will have to use taxpayers money to pay these fines or it asks the polluters to pay (parking charges). Suck it up.
You are talking nonsense.
Actually, for once, she isn't ! Although the government can't yet pass on the fines - http://www.parliamen
t.uk/business/commit
tees/committees-a-z/
commons-select/envir
onmental-audit-commi
ttee/news/air-qualit
y-a-follow-up-report
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[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saveHOVE[/bold] wrote: All those obsessed with the parking charges listen up: This council is likely to be fined very heavily (millions) for breaking the law on air quality maximum allowable levels and the only way to get the air quality legal is to reduce the vehicle emissions that cause the problem. Either the Council will have to use taxpayers money to pay these fines or it asks the polluters to pay (parking charges). Suck it up.[/p][/quote]You are talking nonsense.[/p][/quote]Actually, for once, she isn't ! Although the government can't yet pass on the fines - http://www.parliamen t.uk/business/commit tees/committees-a-z/ commons-select/envir onmental-audit-commi ttee/news/air-qualit y-a-follow-up-report / Fight Back
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9:57am Wed 11 Jul 12

Billyboyarnold says...

A.P. wrote:
Billyboyarnold wrote:
Is "Brighton Square" the same as "Churchill Square"?
Brighton Square is in the middle of the Lanes, where the dophin fountain is.
A.P. thank you, i would say that is a no then.
[quote][p][bold]A.P.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Billyboyarnold[/bold] wrote: Is "Brighton Square" the same as "Churchill Square"?[/p][/quote]Brighton Square is in the middle of the Lanes, where the dophin fountain is.[/p][/quote]A.P. thank you, i would say that is a no then. Billyboyarnold
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10:00am Wed 11 Jul 12

Billyboyarnold says...

I suddenly think it was called "Record Round Up".
I suddenly think it was called "Record Round Up". Billyboyarnold
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1:26pm Wed 11 Jul 12

RickH says...

Billyboyarnold wrote:
Can anyone tell me if this is the same shop that used to be on Portland Road Hove a few years back. Brighton Bill Bradford West Yorkshire (AKA Yorkshire Seagull).
I've lived in the P'land area (by the now-gone bingo hall) since '97 and don't recall a record shop; must be quite a few years back ;)
[quote][p][bold]Billyboyarnold[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me if this is the same shop that used to be on Portland Road Hove a few years back. Brighton Bill Bradford West Yorkshire (AKA Yorkshire Seagull).[/p][/quote]I've lived in the P'land area (by the now-gone bingo hall) since '97 and don't recall a record shop; must be quite a few years back ;) RickH
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4:43pm Wed 11 Jul 12

The Real Phil says...

RickH wrote:
Billyboyarnold wrote:
Can anyone tell me if this is the same shop that used to be on Portland Road Hove a few years back. Brighton Bill Bradford West Yorkshire (AKA Yorkshire Seagull).
I've lived in the P'land area (by the now-gone bingo hall) since '97 and don't recall a record shop; must be quite a few years back ;)
There was Rick's records a few years back (20 or so), but can't think of any other. They weren't connected.
[quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Billyboyarnold[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me if this is the same shop that used to be on Portland Road Hove a few years back. Brighton Bill Bradford West Yorkshire (AKA Yorkshire Seagull).[/p][/quote]I've lived in the P'land area (by the now-gone bingo hall) since '97 and don't recall a record shop; must be quite a few years back ;)[/p][/quote]There was Rick's records a few years back (20 or so), but can't think of any other. They weren't connected. The Real Phil
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4:58pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Billyboyarnold says...

It was just past Westbourne Gardens (I think) there was a Post office on the corner and it was a few shops past that, same side, nearly opposite Aldrington C of E School (my old junior school). Great times.
It was just past Westbourne Gardens (I think) there was a Post office on the corner and it was a few shops past that, same side, nearly opposite Aldrington C of E School (my old junior school). Great times. Billyboyarnold
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5:57pm Wed 11 Jul 12

sussexfoz says...

Rounder records had 2 more shops one in worthing and one in burgess hill? i think, the chap who ran it was called graeme and he came from aberdeen,Sadly the reason its going out of business is because its in the wrong part of town,not due to parking fees which are to expensive,all the other record shops are in the north lanes and are hanging in,lets face it brighton square is well past its sell by date,A big part of rounders sucess was its ticket sells for gigs but they have lost a lot of that trade to online and resident records in kensington gardens.I as a life long labour voter wish people would stop attacking the greens on parking ,its just got silly now everything thats wrong with brighton is because the greens put up the cost of on street parking,brighton parking has never been cheap get over it,I dont know any local who shops and parks on street other than 10-15 mins at a time.blaming the greens is starting to sound like the tory's blaming the last labour goverment for everything its got so boring..
Rounder records had 2 more shops one in worthing and one in burgess hill? i think, the chap who ran it was called graeme and he came from aberdeen,Sadly the reason its going out of business is because its in the wrong part of town,not due to parking fees which are to expensive,all the other record shops are in the north lanes and are hanging in,lets face it brighton square is well past its sell by date,A big part of rounders sucess was its ticket sells for gigs but they have lost a lot of that trade to online and resident records in kensington gardens.I as a life long labour voter wish people would stop attacking the greens on parking ,its just got silly now everything thats wrong with brighton is because the greens put up the cost of on street parking,brighton parking has never been cheap get over it,I dont know any local who shops and parks on street other than 10-15 mins at a time.blaming the greens is starting to sound like the tory's blaming the last labour goverment for everything its got so boring.. sussexfoz
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