King Alfred site plan could be revived (From The Argus)

A STATE OF THE ART 'ART GALLERY' would be ideal with restaurant and theatre space, with possibly a separate limited build of same height contemporary apartments or stylish beach houses houses if necessary, not 400. This part of hove along to hove lagoon certainly needs something different and a boost, not another bland development. A sports centre should be more central at Sackville industrial estate.

A STATE OF THE ART 'ART GALLERY' would be ideal with restaurant and theatre space, with possibly a separate limited build of same height contemporary apartments or stylish beach houses houses if necessary, not 400. This part of hove along to hove lagoon certainly needs something different and a boost, not another bland development. A sports centre should be more central at Sackville industrial estate.

A STATE OF THE ART 'ART GALLERY' would be ideal with restaurant and theatre space, with possibly a separate limited build of same height contemporary apartments or stylish beach houses houses if necessary, not 400. This part of hove along to hove lagoon certainly needs something different and a boost, not another bland development. A sports centre should be more central at Sackville industrial estate.

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Why is this NIMBY maniac "Valerie Paynter"? What property and other financial interests does she have in the area, that's what I'd like to know...

How is the seafront not suitable for leisure facilities? What is wrong with this woman?

And what exactly does she wish to SAVE HOVE from?

Utter madness and another massive dose of NIMBYISM. If we protest against and effectively stop every possible act of growth and development, this so called city will fall to its knees.

Stuff the affordable housing and community centre that will only attract the potless poor & needy what we need is 500 'unaffordable' luxury £1m flats (& a casino) to be only sold to millionaire out of towners thereby bringing loads of wealth & high spenders into Hove to spread their money around all the local business venues & massively boost the local economy

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Oh no! then its going to be another travellers camp!!!!!!

“It’s nearly a century on and it’s essential that leisure facilities are more centrally located somewhere in the vicinity of Hove station.”

Really Valerie?? I disagree; the current site keeps the traffic on the main roads and not in and around built up residential areas; its also easy to access from both sides of town.

Why is it that everytime a redevelopment of the King Alfred site it always has to involve the building of houses? Can we not just have a stand-alone world class sporting facilities the city has been crying out for?

So kicking off some ideas, Olympic size pool, fun activity pool with flumes & wave machine, dedicated sports hall for 5 aside, badminton & squash courts? Dedicated rooms for classes such as pilates, yoga dance etc. Gymnasium. Add in a cafe/restaurant overlooking the the sea and you'll have something we could be truly proud off (and for once not be talking /about!!).

Bromine Chambers: Valerie Paynter has no financial or property interests in any area, let alone either of these.

the return of bob: Valerie Paynter has supported redevelopment at the Sackville Trading Estate (and is in touch with its developers who will be putting in a revised planning application in due course) and she has lobbied for change and redevelopment around Hove Station for some years. She was also invited at the beginning of July by developers MATSIM to meet up to discuss their proposals for redeveloping the Conway/Ellen Street area adjacent to Hove Station with themselves and the chosen architects.

To all readers: the term 'leisure facilities' may be misleading you. The entire seafront and the sea itself are leisure facilities: OF COURSE. This article is about the King Alfred, a leisure facility that is also a sports centre (of sorts).

Built in 1938 for a Hove that barely existed north of Hove Station, it is ill-sited for the 21st century with poor public transport access and a dangerous A259 to ask children to cross. Hove now extends right up to the Downs.

It is time the action moved closer to the geographic centre so people can have MORE FACILITIES (like maybe even a basketball court and spectator seating to watch matches) and a leisure centre that people will flock to.

A re-sited, redeveloped King Alfred put in the Hove Station area that developers are ACHING to invest in with already planned redevelopment could be accessed much more easily and safely: by train, bus, on foot, by bicycle. And the city needs a new leisure/sports centre which could even be built back to back with a school, sharing facilities.

Don't you think the residents spread up to the Downs should have things closer to where they live?

The seafront at the current King Alfred site should not be junked up with 400 flats for people seeking 2nd homes to snap up.

Wiggsy wrote:
“It’s nearly a century on and it’s essential that leisure facilities are more centrally located somewhere in the vicinity of Hove station.” Really Valerie?? I disagree; the current site keeps the traffic on the main roads and not in and around built up residential areas; its also easy to access from both sides of town. Why is it that everytime a redevelopment of the King Alfred site it always has to involve the building of houses? Can we not just have a stand-alone world class sporting facilities the city has been crying out for? So kicking off some ideas, Olympic size pool, fun activity pool with flumes & wave machine, dedicated sports hall for 5 aside, badminton & squash courts? Dedicated rooms for classes such as pilates, yoga dance etc. Gymnasium. Add in a cafe/restaurant overlooking the the sea and you'll have something we could be truly proud off (and for once not be talking /about!!).

You're a car driver, right?

Your shopping list is one from the Citygrove days, as I recall. Jan, is that you writing as "Wiggsy"?

The same old claptrap about the A259 being dangerous to cross. Yes, it is but only if you don't use the pedestrian crossing which is located just by the current King Alfred Centre!

We don't need more housing in that area. You haven't the infrastructure for all this housing. Aside from which any housing will be in the form of high rise to make it economically viable for the developers. Do you really want high rise flats blocking the sea front?

A really good sport centre, including a swimming pool, a gym. I'd love to see a gym with a view to disabled users - and I don't mean just access.

SicklySeagull wrote:
Oh no! then its going to be another travellers camp!!!!!!

Now you've done it SicklySeagull, those stupid green coucillors will be dead set on doing just that, that will mean they wont have to tollerate them in Queens Park or Brunswick Square. You'll have everyone begging the return of mad Franky, know what I mean?????

saveHOVE wrote:

Wiggsy wrote:
“It’s nearly a century on and it’s essential that leisure facilities are more centrally located somewhere in the vicinity of Hove station.” Really Valerie?? I disagree; the current site keeps the traffic on the main roads and not in and around built up residential areas; its also easy to access from both sides of town. Why is it that everytime a redevelopment of the King Alfred site it always has to involve the building of houses? Can we not just have a stand-alone world class sporting facilities the city has been crying out for? So kicking off some ideas, Olympic size pool, fun activity pool with flumes & wave machine, dedicated sports hall for 5 aside, badminton & squash courts? Dedicated rooms for classes such as pilates, yoga dance etc. Gymnasium. Add in a cafe/restaurant overlooking the the sea and you'll have something we could be truly proud off (and for once not be talking /about!!).

You're a car driver, right?

Your shopping list is one from the Citygrove days, as I recall. Jan, is that you writing as "Wiggsy"?

Yes I own a car, but do not need it as KA is walking distance (as an fyi I walk all around the town at w/e, walk to/from the station every day).

No Im not "Jan" and forgiving my ignorance do not know what "Citygrove" is......just a commensense list of activities that will encourage people to get out and off their sofa.

Im now off to Parkrun - running to Hove Park!

Let's hope NOTHING like the hubristic Gehry monstrosity which we were spared by the financial crash comes anywhere near consideration.

And this time, would the Council be good enough NOT to pack the public gallery with bussed-in supporters of their favoured scheme hours ahead of the meeting? The disgraceful gerrymandering indulged in by the previous administration on that occasion to ensure that only the pro-Ghery camp got into the main meeting hall is not something I'll ever forget.

Furthermore, if BH&CC vacated King's House and converted it to residential use, letting more of its office staff work from home, saving everyone time and money, a large slice could be cut from the housing requirements of the city - emphatically NOT for second homes for the well-to-do.

saveHOVE wrote:
Bromine Chambers: Valerie Paynter has no financial or property interests in any area, let alone either of these.

the return of bob: Valerie Paynter has supported redevelopment at the Sackville Trading Estate (and is in touch with its developers who will be putting in a revised planning application in due course) and she has lobbied for change and redevelopment around Hove Station for some years. She was also invited at the beginning of July by developers MATSIM to meet up to discuss their proposals for redeveloping the Conway/Ellen Street area adjacent to Hove Station with themselves and the chosen architects.

To all readers: the term 'leisure facilities' may be misleading you. The entire seafront and the sea itself are leisure facilities: OF COURSE. This article is about the King Alfred, a leisure facility that is also a sports centre (of sorts).

Built in 1938 for a Hove that barely existed north of Hove Station, it is ill-sited for the 21st century with poor public transport access and a dangerous A259 to ask children to cross. Hove now extends right up to the Downs.

It is time the action moved closer to the geographic centre so people can have MORE FACILITIES (like maybe even a basketball court and spectator seating to watch matches) and a leisure centre that people will flock to.

A re-sited, redeveloped King Alfred put in the Hove Station area that developers are ACHING to invest in with already planned redevelopment could be accessed much more easily and safely: by train, bus, on foot, by bicycle. And the city needs a new leisure/sports centre which could even be built back to back with a school, sharing facilities.

Don't you think the residents spread up to the Downs should have things closer to where they live?

The seafront at the current King Alfred site should not be junked up with 400 flats for people seeking 2nd homes to snap up.

If you want to re-site the King Alfred at Hove Station, invest an architect and design it. In other words, put your money where your mouth is.

To say that the King Alfred is the wrong place for a sports facility means that saveHove will support a commercial and residential development? Thus destroying Hove.

I would like answers?

Save us from grand schemes. The King Alfred is a familiar Hove building, not used efficiently.

Repair it, revamp it and maintain it, put more effort into managing it to give better health and leisure benefits. Why assume that great upheavals and the spending of millions on grandiose schemes across Hove is the only option.

Work out what we need in terms of swimming pools and similar facilities then provide it in the easiest, most economic modest way - at the King Alfred ..... and let's get on with life as usual without massive disruptions.

Any development will have to have some housing and commercial/retail space in addition to a sports centre in order to make a development viable. It is nonsense to pretend that such a development can be done without it!

Whatever happens next, I hope the Nimby brigade are not allowed to block progress in our city yet again. I'm sure the people in the area want nothing in that space - it thats the case then all raise the money to buy the site otherwise stop whinging at every development!

When the previous proposal was being discussed, then then tory-led council suggested some sort of monorail could be developed, linking the KA site along the seafront to (both) piers, with an upgraded Volks railway then carrying on to the marina.

I really wish the Greens had the vision for such a proposal . Such a system would be a great attraction for the city, plus would be an ideal park-n-ride for east to west, cutting traffic & pollution (which would only get worse with a new KA and the marina developments). No doubt the bus company would object but most of us are fed up with them ruling this city.

Unfortunately I fear the greens wouldn't do this for the city (unless of course it included free travellers sites along the seafront).

The Heretic wrote:
Let's hope NOTHING like the hubristic Gehry monstrosity which we were spared by the financial crash comes anywhere near consideration. And this time, would the Council be good enough NOT to pack the public gallery with bussed-in supporters of their favoured scheme hours ahead of the meeting? The disgraceful gerrymandering indulged in by the previous administration on that occasion to ensure that only the pro-Ghery camp got into the main meeting hall is not something I'll ever forget. Furthermore, if BH&CC vacated King's House and converted it to residential use, letting more of its office staff work from home, saving everyone time and money, a large slice could be cut from the housing requirements of the city - emphatically NOT for second homes for the well-to-do.

It wasn't the previous administration it was the one before that, Labours Bl**dy Barmy Bodfish administration who were behind the developer who brought in a bus load of rent a crowd young trainee actors that filled the public gallery so they could heckle and jeer anyone who spoke against it and cheer on any one that spoke for it and if I may add got £50 a head for their trouble. I got a vidio of the whole meeting. The previous administration were the Conservatives and they were totaly opposed to mad Franky Gs crazy scheme. As were some of the planning officers at the Council who saw fit to resign because they upset a few nobs. I smelt a few fa£ ra£s, nudge, nudge, nods as good as wink, know what I mean????

What we need is a cinema...

mjlf wrote:
What we need is a cinema...

There will be several of them at the Hove station and the Conway St. developement and that could start within 4 or many more years. IF the developers dont get pi**ed with the current Green administations planning department and pull out.