Meltdown on the roads as visitors bring Brighton to a standstill (From The Argus)

GIVE UP wrote:
Meldown???

rolivan wrote:
It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

rolivan wrote:

GIVE UP wrote:
Meldown???

Unfortunately this is happening regularly yesterday there was an article about BOARDER control.

derekhunt wrote:

rolivan wrote:
It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

Yeah, Brighton is nothing without the sea. Presumably you’re ignoring all of the history, culture, architecture, favourable climate, diversity etc etc

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

rolivan wrote: It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

Yeah, Brighton is nothing without the sea. Presumably you’re ignoring all of the history, culture, architecture, favourable climate, diversity etc etc

Yes Derek because that's what most of South London are here for, the architecture. You muppet, it's because Brighton is the nearest accessible piece of sea for South London and East Surrey. Other than that it's a bit of a sh1thole full of drunks and junkies, with an appalling transport system...

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

rolivan wrote: It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

Yeah, Brighton is nothing without the sea. Presumably you’re ignoring all of the history, culture, architecture, favourable climate, diversity etc etc

Yes Derek because that's what most of South London are here for, the architecture. You muppet, it's because Brighton is the nearest accessible piece of sea for South London and East Surrey. Other than that it's a bit of a sh1thole full of drunks and junkies, with an appalling transport system...

salty_pete wrote:
Well over the last ten years, or so, the dept. of Sustainable Transport in the council has applied every known method to increase congestion and reduce the free flow of traffic. I think they should be congratulated for succeeding.

salty_pete wrote:
Well over the last ten years, or so, the dept. of Sustainable Transport in the council has applied every known method to increase congestion and reduce the free flow of traffic. I think they should be congratulated for succeeding.

Metro Reader wrote:

salty_pete wrote:
Well over the last ten years, or so, the dept. of Sustainable Transport in the council has applied every known method to increase congestion and reduce the free flow of traffic. I think they should be congratulated for succeeding.

Finally someone says what I have been saying all along.

jamus77 wrote:
Claire Ottewell, chairwoman of the Brighton and Hove Tourism Alliance, said: “What days like this prove is that people still want to visit Brighton by car and that has to be respected." Why? “I get feedback from members all the time, saying people don’t want to come back. It begs the question, why haven’t we got better systems in place to cope with higher visitor numbers?” Such as? Brighton and Hove is full of self-appointed 'business leaders' earning a decent wage by spouting meaningless, cul-de-sac platitudes to the press about matters of which they know very little indeed.

Sudseax wrote:

jamus77 wrote:
Claire Ottewell, chairwoman of the Brighton and Hove Tourism Alliance, said: “What days like this prove is that people still want to visit Brighton by car and that has to be respected." Why? “I get feedback from members all the time, saying people don’t want to come back. It begs the question, why haven’t we got better systems in place to cope with higher visitor numbers?” Such as? Brighton and Hove is full of self-appointed 'business leaders' earning a decent wage by spouting meaningless, cul-de-sac platitudes to the press about matters of which they know very little indeed.

Claire Ottewell, chairwoman of the Brighton and Hove Tourism Alliance, said: “What days like this prove is that people still want to visit Brighton by car and that has to be respected."

Why does a travel choice that causes congestion and air pollution have to be respected? The congestion damages the local economy and air pollution is a potential killer. Respecting that sort of travel choice on the scale that Brighton is experiencing is a race to the bottom.

Perhaps Claire Ottewell would like to suggest how this level of car trips can be sustained without wrecking the visitor economy she seekd to protect. It can't be done: it's a vicious circle.

I suggest that Brighton needs to reinvent itself as a destination that is visited without a car. Create a virtuous circle where the city becomes more attractive to visit because people can enjoy it without gridlock and pollution.

Metro Reader wrote:

salty_pete wrote:
Well over the last ten years, or so, the dept. of Sustainable Transport in the council has applied every known method to increase congestion and reduce the free flow of traffic. I think they should be congratulated for succeeding.

Finally someone says what I have been saying all along.

derekhunt wrote:

rolivan wrote:
It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

Yeah, Brighton is nothing without the sea. Presumably you’re ignoring all of the history, culture, architecture, favourable climate, diversity etc etc

Sussex jim wrote:
For more than fifty years families with cars , from London and elsewhere, have decided to travel to Brighton for a day out at the seaside. Cater for them!
Divert holiday traffic around the town to park along Madiera Drive. Free for genuine tourists; a family or four or five young people visiting for a day out on the beach. Encourage them to use Volks railway as a park and rideto the town centre.

PorkBoat wrote:
Imagine what it'll be like when 2000+ people a day want to visit the i-360!

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Kitcat & Davey - publish your figures proving that more people are coming here by bus and train.... if you can

Vicente_1 wrote:
To the people saying brighton shouldnt be visited by car, what about the residents who want to drive into town we already have to pay horrendous prices to park. We pay council tax to the prats at the green party to waste anyway i couldnt care about the environment its my right to drive wherever i want! Maybe if the busses werent every half an hour if your lucky then wed consider the bus. Climate change is clearly natural has happened for millions of years and anyone stupid enough to believe that us humans can change climate when we cant even predict weather are clearly on another planet!

MantaRay1 wrote:
Why is there so much resistance to a decent Park And Ride scheme...or would this seriously affect the income from parking fees & fines I wonder?

derekhunt wrote:

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

rolivan wrote: It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

Yeah, Brighton is nothing without the sea. Presumably you’re ignoring all of the history, culture, architecture, favourable climate, diversity etc etc

Yes Derek because that's what most of South London are here for, the architecture. You muppet, it's because Brighton is the nearest accessible piece of sea for South London and East Surrey. Other than that it's a bit of a sh1thole full of drunks and junkies, with an appalling transport system...

I notice you missed the other items on my, non-exhaustive list. Just because you’re not intelligent or cultured enough to appreciate architecture it doesn’t mean there is no value in it.

What’s the great attraction of the sea anyway – there’s so mush more to do in the UK on a nice sunny day than go to the greatest extremity of it and point yourself away from it.

Go and explore some of the countryside (there might be an O missing in your case) and broaden your mind a little.

Or are people really that stupid that the only thing worth seeing is a beach full of lobsters

Pebbles wrote:
So we has the council donating/giving/loan

ing 14 million or so for the i360 for the purpose of attracting people to the city.

And how many thousands of people will it take to make the i360 'sustainable'. Quite a few thousands I would imagine.

But.. how will they get here? Mostly by car of course.. so where are they going to park? Nowhere of course.

Mind you... it would probably be a great view from the i360... seeing all those cars gridlocked!

PorkBoat wrote:

Pebbles wrote:
So we has the council donating/giving/loan


ing 14 million or so for the i360 for the purpose of attracting people to the city.

And how many thousands of people will it take to make the i360 'sustainable'. Quite a few thousands I would imagine.

But.. how will they get here? Mostly by car of course.. so where are they going to park? Nowhere of course.

Mind you... it would probably be a great view from the i360... seeing all those cars gridlocked!

According to the figures that the council plucked out of the air - I mean made an accurate estimate of, after extensive market research and financial advice - it is supposed to provide 500 jobs and attract 800,000 visitors a year. That's over 2000 a day, or 200 an hour if its open 10 hours a day. If the Argus was a proper newspaper, it would be digging the dirt on this scam. It stinks like a rotten kipper.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
So sudseax, how do you plan to achieve a car less city? The world is full of dreamers, it's a shame the number of people who can deliver such dreams were around in equal numbers. So what would you do, how would you do it and with what budget?

Sudseax wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
So sudseax, how do you plan to achieve a car less city? The world is full of dreamers, it's a shame the number of people who can deliver such dreams were around in equal numbers. So what would you do, how would you do it and with what budget?

The dreamers are those who think a successful economy can run on unlimited car use. The Eddington report (2006) estimated that congestion could cost the economy of England £22bn a year in lost time by 2025. (And there's the costs associated with poor air quality to add to that.)

Eddington's view is that road pricing is inevitable because there is no viable or acceptable alternative. Road pricing could cut congestion by half by 2025 with a huge economic benefit.

There are an increasing number of cities that have tackled congestion and are claiming economic benefits from so doing: Bergen, Oslo, Paris etc.

Experience shows that public opinion shifts from an initial opposition to one of support if the revenue is re-invested to make journey times quicker and more reliable. Reduce the quantity of car journeys, but improve the quality.

Do we have the vision and courage to do things differently? I suspect that things will have to get even worse before we take the radical action that will be needed.

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
I'm surprised with the Greens in power in Brighton Council that they haven't massively improved the "Park and Ride" system. It's extremely badly signposted - the 1st time we tried to find it we found it by pure chance - that needs addressing.

The car park is very small - so it should be made bigger.

The buses don't even come in the car park anymore - are there any signs to tell you this? NO!

It should be improved as quickly as possible.

I've been to several large cities and Brighton's park and ride is most definitely the worst. It's also one of the most expensive I've used.

So if you want cars off your roads, improve this immediately.

nicole/bob wrote:
Typical Argus report...just how do they know it's visitors who are creating the traffic grid-lock in this God forsaken place? Surely it's more to do with this Marxist Green Council who impose their narrow minded policies on us, not to mention traffic lights on virtually every street corner and impositionn of highly expensive and unused cycle lanes. Just why have they, without consultation closed most of the much needed public conveniences at so many of our local parks and cemetaries? The sooner the "Greens" are out the better Bob, Hove

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Kitcat & Davey - publish your figures proving that more people are coming here by bus and train.... if you can

raymondo999 wrote:
I used to visit Bournemouth regularly and was always surprised how easy it was to get into the town and park compared with Brighton. Perhaps our planners have missed a trick. Maybe demolishing LondonRoad and turning it into an access road would help.

Joshiman wrote:
Being a car driver and proud of it.I can see why we have gridlock with almost stationary cars emitting gasses.Its simple.Our traffic lights are sequenced to annoy the car driver.On the seafront as soon as a pedestrian presses the button the traffic light turns red.So we have a stop start system on all our major Roads in and out of Brighton.

leobrighton wrote:
Never ceases to amaze me the lazy chavs who want to drive cars everywhere and don't want to pay for parking and expect to have clear roads where they can drive speedily and park exactly where they want for nothing. Always on here moaning and threatening to spend their money in other towns like Crawley instead. Brighton would be well rid of them but the council still suck up to them like the cowards they are.

sharpley wrote:

Joshiman wrote:
Being a car driver and proud of it.I can see why we have gridlock with almost stationary cars emitting gasses.Its simple.Our traffic lights are sequenced to annoy the car driver.On the seafront as soon as a pedestrian presses the button the traffic light turns red.So we have a stop start system on all our major Roads in and out of Brighton.

So what's your solution for people who might actually want to cross a road on foot then?

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
And Sudseax how are you going to deliver the alternative modes of transport, fund them etc You are quoting what the problem congestion causes but no answers to it. And you do not state if the report is about congestion or numbers of vehicles on the road ie we have congestion in this city because of poor road systems not necessarily congestion caused by numbers of vehickes. We also have congestion on our rail commuting routes so are both these types of congestion included in the report. However, what are your solutions. You only report on reports.

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

rolivan wrote: It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

Yeah, Brighton is nothing without the sea. Presumably you’re ignoring all of the history, culture, architecture, favourable climate, diversity etc etc

Yes Derek because that's what most of South London are here for, the architecture. You muppet, it's because Brighton is the nearest accessible piece of sea for South London and East Surrey. Other than that it's a bit of a sh1thole full of drunks and junkies, with an appalling transport system...

I notice you missed the other items on my, non-exhaustive list. Just because you’re not intelligent or cultured enough to appreciate architecture it doesn’t mean there is no value in it.

What’s the great attraction of the sea anyway – there’s so mush more to do in the UK on a nice sunny day than go to the greatest extremity of it and point yourself away from it.

Go and explore some of the countryside (there might be an O missing in your case) and broaden your mind a little.

Or are people really that stupid that the only thing worth seeing is a beach full of lobsters

Excellent observation; and a completely accurate understanding of my levels of intelligence and culture. Or it would have been if you yourself were intelligent enough to have actually understood the point I was making. The fact is, if you spend some time watching the weekend visitors and day trippers, the large majority of them are to be found at the beach, rather than, as you argue, visting for the culture, architecture, and everything else on your non-exhaustive list. (Thanks for pointing that out, I really misunderstood it the first time round) You also seem to think that I am an advocate of visiting aimplky for the sea. I am not. In fact, I am in totoal agreement with you that there is so much more to see than the expanse of water in front of us. However, the simple fact of the matter is that the majority of visitors to Brighton are here for the sea, and seeing as it is the shortest distance from South London to the coast this does mean that many of our visitors come from South London too visit the sea. If you cannot interpret this from my post then it is you that is putting the detrimental term into countryside. (A very refined and cultured insult you make by the way) And perhaps you would like to read through my original post again, because I am unsure where your evidence for my being neither cultured or intelligent enough to appreciate architecture comes from. I made no reference to the fact that Brighton has no architecture; indeed, I believe that Brighton houses some of the most impressive historical and modern architecture in the country. But then, as an architect myself I guess I would be biased wouldn't I? This merely shows again yur ignorance - my original post was making the point that the vast majority of day trippers here are not here to enjoy the more cultured aspects of the city, so again your ignorance astounds me. Anyway, I will sign off now and go and continue to enjoy broadening my mind. So nthanks for the advice. Tw4t!!!

derekhunt wrote:

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

rolivan wrote: It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

Yeah, Brighton is nothing without the sea. Presumably you’re ignoring all of the history, culture, architecture, favourable climate, diversity etc etc

Yes Derek because that's what most of South London are here for, the architecture. You muppet, it's because Brighton is the nearest accessible piece of sea for South London and East Surrey. Other than that it's a bit of a sh1thole full of drunks and junkies, with an appalling transport system...

I notice you missed the other items on my, non-exhaustive list. Just because you’re not intelligent or cultured enough to appreciate architecture it doesn’t mean there is no value in it.

What’s the great attraction of the sea anyway – there’s so mush more to do in the UK on a nice sunny day than go to the greatest extremity of it and point yourself away from it.

Go and explore some of the countryside (there might be an O missing in your case) and broaden your mind a little.

Or are people really that stupid that the only thing worth seeing is a beach full of lobsters

Excellent observation; and a completely accurate understanding of my levels of intelligence and culture. Or it would have been if you yourself were intelligent enough to have actually understood the point I was making. The fact is, if you spend some time watching the weekend visitors and day trippers, the large majority of them are to be found at the beach, rather than, as you argue, visting for the culture, architecture, and everything else on your non-exhaustive list. (Thanks for pointing that out, I really misunderstood it the first time round) You also seem to think that I am an advocate of visiting aimplky for the sea. I am not. In fact, I am in totoal agreement with you that there is so much more to see than the expanse of water in front of us. However, the simple fact of the matter is that the majority of visitors to Brighton are here for the sea, and seeing as it is the shortest distance from South London to the coast this does mean that many of our visitors come from South London too visit the sea. If you cannot interpret this from my post then it is you that is putting the detrimental term into countryside. (A very refined and cultured insult you make by the way) And perhaps you would like to read through my original post again, because I am unsure where your evidence for my being neither cultured or intelligent enough to appreciate architecture comes from. I made no reference to the fact that Brighton has no architecture; indeed, I believe that Brighton houses some of the most impressive historical and modern architecture in the country. But then, as an architect myself I guess I would be biased wouldn't I? This merely shows again yur ignorance - my original post was making the point that the vast majority of day trippers here are not here to enjoy the more cultured aspects of the city, so again your ignorance astounds me. Anyway, I will sign off now and go and continue to enjoy broadening my mind. So nthanks for the advice. Tw4t!!!

Oh dear


One never needs one's sense of humour more than when arguing with an idiot



I insulted your intelligence (which I feel I did well to locate by the way) because the previous post made reference to visitors to Brighton and you instantly made referrence to South Londeners. There are far more important visitors to Brighton than that lot (which I assume you're one of originally?)


When you say you spend your time watching the weekend visitors and day trippers, it makes it sound like your doing it from distance with a high powered telescope.


If you really want to live somewhere with a wonderful transport system I'll happily drive you to MIlton Keynes just to get rid of you

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

pun master wrote:

derekhunt wrote:

rolivan wrote: It isn't that the City is so popular it is the Sea that is the Attraction, without the Sea Brighton would be nothing.People aren't flocking here to do their shopping during the hot spell.

Yeah, Brighton is nothing without the sea. Presumably you’re ignoring all of the history, culture, architecture, favourable climate, diversity etc etc

Yes Derek because that's what most of South London are here for, the architecture. You muppet, it's because Brighton is the nearest accessible piece of sea for South London and East Surrey. Other than that it's a bit of a sh1thole full of drunks and junkies, with an appalling transport system...

I notice you missed the other items on my, non-exhaustive list. Just because you’re not intelligent or cultured enough to appreciate architecture it doesn’t mean there is no value in it.

What’s the great attraction of the sea anyway – there’s so mush more to do in the UK on a nice sunny day than go to the greatest extremity of it and point yourself away from it.

Go and explore some of the countryside (there might be an O missing in your case) and broaden your mind a little.

Or are people really that stupid that the only thing worth seeing is a beach full of lobsters

Excellent observation; and a completely accurate understanding of my levels of intelligence and culture. Or it would have been if you yourself were intelligent enough to have actually understood the point I was making. The fact is, if you spend some time watching the weekend visitors and day trippers, the large majority of them are to be found at the beach, rather than, as you argue, visting for the culture, architecture, and everything else on your non-exhaustive list. (Thanks for pointing that out, I really misunderstood it the first time round) You also seem to think that I am an advocate of visiting aimplky for the sea. I am not. In fact, I am in totoal agreement with you that there is so much more to see than the expanse of water in front of us. However, the simple fact of the matter is that the majority of visitors to Brighton are here for the sea, and seeing as it is the shortest distance from South London to the coast this does mean that many of our visitors come from South London too visit the sea. If you cannot interpret this from my post then it is you that is putting the detrimental term into countryside. (A very refined and cultured insult you make by the way) And perhaps you would like to read through my original post again, because I am unsure where your evidence for my being neither cultured or intelligent enough to appreciate architecture comes from. I made no reference to the fact that Brighton has no architecture; indeed, I believe that Brighton houses some of the most impressive historical and modern architecture in the country. But then, as an architect myself I guess I would be biased wouldn't I? This merely shows again yur ignorance - my original post was making the point that the vast majority of day trippers here are not here to enjoy the more cultured aspects of the city, so again your ignorance astounds me. Anyway, I will sign off now and go and continue to enjoy broadening my mind. So nthanks for the advice. Tw4t!!!

Oh dear


One never needs one's sense of humour more than when arguing with an idiot



I insulted your intelligence (which I feel I did well to locate by the way) because the previous post made reference to visitors to Brighton and you instantly made referrence to South Londeners. There are far more important visitors to Brighton than that lot (which I assume you're one of originally?)


When you say you spend your time watching the weekend visitors and day trippers, it makes it sound like your doing it from distance with a high powered telescope.


If you really want to live somewhere with a wonderful transport system I'll happily drive you to MIlton Keynes just to get rid of you

Again Derek, some sublime responses. I had constructed some further arguments, but it's like arguing with jelly. Pointless, because a jelly has no intelligent senses that allow it to respond. Bit like you Rowntree boy. Much love, good night, peace out xx

cynic_the wrote:
Monorail!

ripmaxman wrote:

leobrighton wrote:
Never ceases to amaze me the lazy chavs who want to drive cars everywhere and don't want to pay for parking and expect to have clear roads where they can drive speedily and park exactly where they want for nothing. Always on here moaning and threatening to spend their money in other towns like Crawley instead. Brighton would be well rid of them but the council still suck up to them like the cowards they are.

So now everybody that drives a car is a chav. I take that as a ridiculous comment from some one who is uneducated, brain dead, and find it VERY offensive to those people that can’t use any other form of transport!!

People that drive don’t mind paying for parking at a realistic cost and if the traffic lights were phased correctly the jams would decrease.

Get a life and get real this is the 21st century not the early 20th.

HJarrs wrote:

raymondo999 wrote:
I used to visit Bournemouth regularly and was always surprised how easy it was to get into the town and park compared with Brighton. Perhaps our planners have missed a trick. Maybe demolishing LondonRoad and turning it into an access road would help.

Brilliantly funny! This would be a return to the 70's plan to bulldoze the North Laine area for a dual carriageway to the sea. We wouldn't have a problem with congestion because who would want to come to B&H anymore? Oh, I forgot, the few petrol heads that actually still think that this would be a good idea!

ghost bus driver wrote:

cynic_the wrote:
Monorail!

They say those things are awfully loud...

Joshiman wrote:

sharpley wrote:

Joshiman wrote:
Being a car driver and proud of it.I can see why we have gridlock with almost stationary cars emitting gasses.Its simple.Our traffic lights are sequenced to annoy the car driver.On the seafront as soon as a pedestrian presses the button the traffic light turns red.So we have a stop start system on all our major Roads in and out of Brighton.

So what's your solution for people who might actually want to cross a road on foot then?

Wait their turn as they all do on the continent.Oh and now in London because of the Olympics and they powers dont want to give the world the wrong impression about our mismanaged traffic chaos.

ripmaxman wrote:
Well that’s not surprising with all the ridiculous road schemes that were/have been put in place.

One lane open to traffic from the A23 into Brighton, the detour you now have to make to get into the Churchill square car park, wrongly phased traffic lights, cycle lanes that are hardly used, road works and lane closures during the summer etc, etc.

Wake up Brighton and Hove city council and get a real expert on traffic flow to sort the mess out.

Morpheus wrote:
Brighton has never been any different for traffic on a hot day. As for Roger French, he needs to train his drivers to stop to pickup passengers. I was at the Pavilion stop at night waiting for a 22 bus at about 10:18.pm There must have been about 20 people waiting for various buses. The 22 pulled in and then roared of with people banging on the side of the bus. Thanks driver, I hope you get sacked.

Old Ladys Gin wrote:

ghost bus driver wrote:

cynic_the wrote:
Monorail!

They say those things are awfully loud...

Well Brighton is loud, brash and quite a few other things as well ;)

nicole/bob wrote:
Hi not only should the bus driver be sacked for abandoning passengers in such a way but so should Roger French for allowing such a disgraceful turn of events and the fact that his empty and much un-used double deckers tailgating each other...just check out Cromwell Road anytime if you want the proof.

These massive and grossly unused machines are causing nothing but increased polution and congestion!

Bob Hove

D5 wrote:

nicole/bob wrote:
Hi not only should the bus driver be sacked for abandoning passengers in such a way but so should Roger French for allowing such a disgraceful turn of events and the fact that his empty and much un-used double deckers tailgating each other...just check out Cromwell Road anytime if you want the proof.

These massive and grossly unused machines are causing nothing but increased polution and congestion!

Bob Hove

Im one of those drivers and you are talking absolute bobbins.
Sack roger french for having a successful bus company -believe me if the buses were empty we would go bust.
1000 employees also -where would they work?
I like Hove as well, love cycling through it, keeps me away from all the street drinkers on the pavement. Where did they all materialise from by the way -used to all be sat down the steine? Any ideas how to solve that problem? Maybe sack the police as well as roger french?

D5 wrote:

nicole/bob wrote:
Hi not only should the bus driver be sacked for abandoning passengers in such a way but so should Roger French for allowing such a disgraceful turn of events and the fact that his empty and much un-used double deckers tailgating each other...just check out Cromwell Road anytime if you want the proof.

These massive and grossly unused machines are causing nothing but increased polution and congestion!

Bob Hove

Im one of those drivers and you are talking absolute bobbins.
Sack roger french for having a successful bus company -believe me if the buses were empty we would go bust.
1000 employees also -where would they work?
I like Hove as well, love cycling through it, keeps me away from all the street drinkers on the pavement. Where did they all materialise from by the way -used to all be sat down the steine? Any ideas how to solve that problem? Maybe sack the police as well as roger french?

Helena Handcart wrote:
We live in Hove and always go to Worthing, parking is easier and the shops are nicer, the streets cleaner and less cyclists.

nicole/bob wrote:
what an excellent submission by tradebooker...could not have put it better myself...he/she has got it right on the nail!

Bob, Hove

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Tell us something we don't already know.
Of course it doesn't help, that in their infinite wisdom, the council have sanctioned roadworks and lane closures on major arterial routes.
The bus service is a waste of time. There's no point in bus lanes if the buses can't get to them, and then the buses become part of the congestion problem.
The quickest way around the city is to walk, just as it was 200 years ago.
Progress - what progress? This city's transport system is a joke, and has been for decades.
So if you are unlucky enough to not be able bodied enough to walk, you are well and truly STUFFED.

tradebooker wrote:
B&H's traffic situation has got significantly worse since I was born here 34 yrs ago. There's a number of reasons: 1) rising student population (domestic and foreign) 2) increasingly trendy desirable 3) improved train services from London and SE 4) improved shopping and dining experience 5) Big investment in seafront. So yes there is far more people travelling in and yes on a very warm day which comes as a respite to a terrible summer traffic and congestion is inevitable. What we have seen is a pretty much zero if not negative improvement in traffic control during the years of increases visitors. But forget about the odd day with a lot of day trippers B&H is on its knees on most days with lines and lines of traffic. It was only a couple of years ago whe. You could get from say Wilbury rd in hove to say Southover street in about 15mins now your be lucky in 30m. The greens are to blame. They have ripped up dual lanes replacing with unused and unsafe cycle lanes that have ed to long lines of static traffic. They have massively increased red light times at traffic lights (check west st! 3 mins holding at duke st the other day). They have increased bus services where you say duplicated buses half empty running within a minute. They have done this as well as increasing parking charges as a stick and basically ruined the cities roads. Old shoreham rd residents of the new cycle lane report being very concerned at how unsafe the new cycle lane is. One of the road men that worked on the grand avenue cycle lane was killed using it himself. The only way us residents can fix tis is to vote out green and seek out a party with a decent transport strategy that does not mean pleasing a minority of cyclists and forcing everyone out of their cars.