Council losing war against Brighton and Hove beach litter (From The Argus)

Who'd have thought that our beaches would be turning into rubbish tips under the authority of a *cough* GREEN Council? Not so surprising that our Green MP proposes a new tax to solve the problem. There's a sort of perverse genius about using problems to raise taxes, I mean, you never run out of reasons to raise taxes do you?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Don't tax anything; BAN beach fires of all kinds. Half the problem will vanish overnight the moment people can't have barbecues any longer.

Lucas says deterrents need to be enforced as fully as possible, yet appears to have done nothing to ensure this actually happens.
A complete dereliction of duty to council taxpayers.

This council rarely enforces ANYTHING. It's the same with dogs in banned areas and dog fouling - they have issued only 12 tickets in 3 years!! There is no political will to enforce what they consider "minor" offences. PCSOs should be given these kind of powers of enforcement.

Wishy washy dont offend anyone but car drivers Brighton Council should stop being wimps.Ban barbeques on our beaches and lawns for starters.Ban street alcohol drinking.Owners of dogs without leads and who foul without being pooper scooped.Fine them all minimum £500.Same amount for people that drop litter and dont use bins.Get tough.!

Well, colour me surprised, I agree with the comments! Well, at least with the barbecues part. They need to be banned ASAP, because all they have brought is litter and toxic fumes everywhere.

Brussels Lucas and her claque will never act against these people. Comrade Kitcat and the Politburo know that the beach litterbugs, like the dangerous cyclists and the ones who block the footpath chaining their bikes to the railings, and the black bag merchants who leave their rubbish out are all, to a disproportionate, extent Green voters.
It's an irony but it's the truth.There is no prospect of any action against any of them. No point complaining - we voted this lot in and now we have to suffer the consequences.

Martha Gunn wrote:
Brussels Lucas and her claque will never act against these people. Comrade Kitcat and the Politburo know that the beach litterbugs, like the dangerous cyclists and the ones who block the footpath chaining their bikes to the railings, and the black bag merchants who leave their rubbish out are all, to a disproportionate, extent Green voters.
It's an irony but it's the truth.There is no prospect of any action against any of them. No point complaining - we voted this lot in and now we have to suffer the consequences.

What nonsense you talk. The litter problem on the beach is a reflection of the little respect that a lot of people pay to the environment, hardly a trait of the average person voting Green I would suggest.

It would seem to me that lessons need to be learnt from this year's beach litter problems; more bins and recycling points and much more enforcement is needed for next summer. This needs backup of a permanent PCSO prescence on busy days, however the Police are being cut back, so some hope.

The Greens are only interested in getting cash out of the car owners and landlords/home owners, who mainly do not vote green, and can be traced. they can target and legislate against landlords and tenants in very specific parts of the city and if they do not comply are committing a criminal offence and can be fined £20,000 but cannot legally fine a litter bugs. shows how much they care about the environment, big joke now.

Park a caravan on Hove Lawns and you're free to do what you like!

inadaptado wrote:
Well, colour me surprised, I agree with the comments! Well, at least with the barbecues part. They need to be banned ASAP, because all they have brought is litter and toxic fumes everywhere.

Seconded! The pollution caused by those 'instant' barbecues is a) terrible for the greater environment and b) turns the beach into a toxic, anti-social, no-go area.

HJarrs wrote:

Martha Gunn wrote:
Brussels Lucas and her claque will never act against these people. Comrade Kitcat and the Politburo know that the beach litterbugs, like the dangerous cyclists and the ones who block the footpath chaining their bikes to the railings, and the black bag merchants who leave their rubbish out are all, to a disproportionate, extent Green voters.
It's an irony but it's the truth.There is no prospect of any action against any of them. No point complaining - we voted this lot in and now we have to suffer the consequences.

What nonsense you talk. The litter problem on the beach is a reflection of the little respect that a lot of people pay to the environment, hardly a trait of the average person voting Green I would suggest.

It would seem to me that lessons need to be learnt from this year's beach litter problems; more bins and recycling points and much more enforcement is needed for next summer. This needs backup of a permanent PCSO prescence on busy days, however the Police are being cut back, so some hope.

Alas HJarrs it is a truth universally acknowledged and increasingly recognized that it is precisely the Green voters who are the least mindful of their immediate environment. In our street there is a precise correlation between black bag dumpers and green posters at the last election.
I wish it were otherwise but it ain't. This Green council is a deeply flawed and now failed project. Time for change.

Martha Gunn wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Martha Gunn wrote:
Brussels Lucas and her claque will never act against these people. Comrade Kitcat and the Politburo know that the beach litterbugs, like the dangerous cyclists and the ones who block the footpath chaining their bikes to the railings, and the black bag merchants who leave their rubbish out are all, to a disproportionate, extent Green voters.
It's an irony but it's the truth.There is no prospect of any action against any of them. No point complaining - we voted this lot in and now we have to suffer the consequences.

What nonsense you talk. The litter problem on the beach is a reflection of the little respect that a lot of people pay to the environment, hardly a trait of the average person voting Green I would suggest.

It would seem to me that lessons need to be learnt from this year's beach litter problems; more bins and recycling points and much more enforcement is needed for next summer. This needs backup of a permanent PCSO prescence on busy days, however the Police are being cut back, so some hope.

Alas HJarrs it is a truth universally acknowledged and increasingly recognized that it is precisely the Green voters who are the least mindful of their immediate environment. In our street there is a precise correlation between black bag dumpers and green posters at the last election.
I wish it were otherwise but it ain't. This Green council is a deeply flawed and now failed project. Time for change.

Putting black bags out in the street is the system for refuse collection by me, no space for bins. I haven't noticed any correlation between political posters and dumped bags in my local streets. You "universal acknowledgement" is a fiction.

The thrust of your comment was that those littering the beach were people who were more likely to vote Green, which is just plain nonsense. Those dumping litter on the beach are anti-social and I bet the vast majority are daytrippers.

I live on the French Riviera for most of the year, where, even in a city like Nice, the problem simply does not exist. Why? Because people are proud of their surroundings and respect them by using the bins. That kind of pride simply does not exist here in Brighton. It has nothing to do with politics, but everything to do with caring enough not to want to desecrate the town and its beaches. Wake up, UK. You are a dirty lot when it comes to litter.

How does that ridiculous Lucas think that charging someone a few pennies for a plastic bag will stop them littering the beach? If she using those drugs she so desperatately wants legalised?

The argus should ask how many residential properties have been given warnings about dumping rubbish and fly tipping on pavements.
The student areas are a disgrace at the moment as students and landlords hand over properties to new tenants.
If ordinary residents behaved like these dirty pigs we would soon have a knock at the door.
The letting agents in this city are also a disgrace and fail to manage these homes.
The councillors should get off their lazy backsides and take a tour of the city and take photos. It's a disgrace.

There are large signs (or there were) on Hove lawn telling people barbecues are not permitted.

The other week I saw two groups of people with barbecues right next to the signs.

Short of paying for someone to patrol the lawns with a bucket of water I'm not sure what the council can do to stop people.

Saying that, in Littlehampton the council installed metal barbecue stands on the green areas next to the beach. That might work.

MuammarQaddafi -- wasn't he reported dead, by the way? -- says the Green Council is "cough". Go on, out with it MQ! Your idea of banning fires seems good, though.