Reviewing the green dream (From The Argus)

As a Green voter I am pleased that any progress has been made when considering both the financial situation in the country and that it is a first time minority administration.

My main concern was that, being in power for the first time, they would not get to grips with administration at what must be the most challenging time for local government in decades and also to be pragmatic. I need not have worried. B&H has so far weathered the worst of the cuts far better than most councils and despite what many commenters may say there has been no big change but rather a steady tacking towards a better, greener city.

I am sure that people will pick holes in this policy and that policy but in the round I think they have done ok.

By the time of the next election there will be a lot more progress on the ground and B&H will have weathered the economic storm better than most.

So Cllr Kitcat has now admitted that the Greens want zero wildlife in the city? Is that why they're planning to hack down another area of trees in Wild Park, in their bid to convert it to a sheep farm?

"so they failled in their own targets for carbon polution,and expect a growth of more bus journeys to increase by 1.5 million"that makes sence,no wonder lucas is bailing out.as should the right minded people's opinion of this stupid current council..

Does nobody check the pieces before going online? You put a key at the beginning that has not been used at all. You know how to change the colour of the font, right?

Recycling rates are low because this council refuses to deal with households who do not recycle including the 30,000 students in the community.
Bags and bags of waste are piled up in student areas as the wheelie bins are full and the kids dont recycle and Cityclean just leave it outside houses while sticking silly 'oops' tape over boxes of recycling which accidentally get mixed up or a passerby drops a can in the bottle box of locals who do try to recycle. My neighbours have stopped recycling as the council don't bother getting everyone to do it.
If a green administration cannot be bothered to tackle the basics such as recycling they can stuff their solar panels where the sun doesn't shine.
As for all this carbon footprint targets a pointless waste of time when China, south America and other emerging economies are tearing the world apart by the hour.
Breathe while you can. Your locally grown raspberries won't save us.

the only thing the Greens have done is alienate car users and tourists ! they have created a permit only city for parking! they say that they will hold meetings to discuss parking meters in an area have they heck as like !! Albion st where although some folk park irresponsibly most are responsible they have installed meters with no consultation!! the greens are just out to ruin this city ! having a blue badge the cost does not really affect me but I do feel for those who have to pay through the nose for the chance of parking outside their own house!! just a thought but dont we pay rates and car tax for the use of the rd already????? so why should we buy a permit ! and the questionaire sent by B+H council have just sent out "TOO **** late " be as well using it for loo roll

inadaptado wrote:
Does nobody check the pieces before going online? You put a key at the beginning that has not been used at all. You know how to change the colour of the font, right?

sorry hav'nt got my head that far up my own arse to worry about grammer and puctuation

ruberducker wrote:

inadaptado wrote:
Does nobody check the pieces before going online? You put a key at the beginning that has not been used at all. You know how to change the colour of the font, right?

sorry hav'nt got my head that far up my own arse to worry about grammer and puctuation

You also don't care about spelling. Perhaps you should try your own suggestion since your head doesn't seem to be much good for anything else.

inadaptado wrote:
Does nobody check the pieces before going online? You put a key at the beginning that has not been used at all. You know how to change the colour of the font, right?

The colour styles for each paragraph all appeared in preview. Something has stripped them out of the story.

Green party.This is your one shot. The next election will let you know just what local people think of you.Start packing now .

Morpheus wrote:

ruberducker wrote:

inadaptado wrote:
Does nobody check the pieces before going online? You put a key at the beginning that has not been used at all. You know how to change the colour of the font, right?

sorry hav'nt got my head that far up my own arse to worry about grammer and puctuation

You also don't care about spelling. Perhaps you should try your own suggestion since your head doesn't seem to be much good for anything else.

my spelling is terrible,i have dyslexia,i was not handing in homework,try walking in my shoes before you judge.

ruberducker, none of the people I know with dyslexia claim it causes them to post inappropriate language the way it seems to do with you.
But let's get back to the issue, as HJarrs constantly tells us, Greens are the most wonderful people ever to walk the earth and can do no wrong. Please can we all have a statue of Jason and Caroline (and HJarrs) on every street corner.

NickBrt wrote:
ruberducker, none of the people I know with dyslexia claim it causes them to post inappropriate language the way it seems to do with you.
But let's get back to the issue, as HJarrs constantly tells us, Greens are the most wonderful people ever to walk the earth and can do no wrong. Please can we all have a statue of Jason and Caroline (and HJarrs) on every street corner.

Well I didn't vote Green last time, but I'm seriously considering it next time...certainly not the most wonderful people but no worse than the alternatives. They have done some good things made some mistakes. Of course if you know of a better place to put my cross I'd be interested to hear.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Recycling rates are low because this council refuses to deal with households who do not recycle including the 30,000 students in the community. Bags and bags of waste are piled up in student areas as the wheelie bins are full and the kids dont recycle and Cityclean just leave it outside houses while sticking silly 'oops' tape over boxes of recycling which accidentally get mixed up or a passerby drops a can in the bottle box of locals who do try to recycle. My neighbours have stopped recycling as the council don't bother getting everyone to do it. If a green administration cannot be bothered to tackle the basics such as recycling they can stuff their solar panels where the sun doesn't shine. As for all this carbon footprint targets a pointless waste of time when China, south America and other emerging economies are tearing the world apart by the hour. Breathe while you can. Your locally grown raspberries won't save us.

Once upon a time, this would have been a core Green target to focus on....but they 'widened' their appeal to include other issues that seem to have become very diverting for them - things like gay marriage and excising any Green Councillor not prepared to be corralled and controlled by every single issue, regardless of its hierarchical place, within the widened agenda.

I think it is time the Green Party made an hierarchical list of issues they have positions on and made it available to voters.

Same for all these political parties actually - slipping and sliding and weazling away at the public.

Dirk Von Roden wrote:
the only thing the Greens have done is alienate car users and tourists ! they have created a permit only city for parking! they say that they will hold meetings to discuss parking meters in an area have they heck as like !! Albion st where although some folk park irresponsibly most are responsible they have installed meters with no consultation!! the greens are just out to ruin this city ! having a blue badge the cost does not really affect me but I do feel for those who have to pay through the nose for the chance of parking outside their own house!! just a thought but dont we pay rates and car tax for the use of the rd already????? so why should we buy a permit ! and the questionaire sent by B+H council have just sent out "TOO **** late " be as well using it for loo roll

Until such time as vehicle use becomes emissions-free, get used to ever deeper restrictions - especially as it means so much to health and actually being able to breathe and stay alive in cities.

I would personally provide every motorist (including the Green Party cllrs with their cars) a mileage allowance and penalties for exceeding it.

Only those using cars for work would be exempt.

And the mileage meter would be mounted on or within the vehicle and permanently available for inspection by parking attendants, police and for the annual MOT.

Shocked? Good. Makes the Greens look positively charitable on this front dunnit!

I understand the previous administration was planning to outsource as many services as it could so jobs and profits go elsewhere. I'm not particularly pro-green but just for this reason I will vote for them.

Re:Allotments

>>>An increase of 116 allotment plots in the city during 2011/12

This is not 'new' allotments. This increase is only due to chopping plots in two. At the moment the policy is that every time an allotment becomes available, it is chopped into two allotments. That is how the greens are increasing allotment numbers.

That is why they have also sent out letters threatening termination to up to 80% of plot holders.. The letters say 'give up half your plot and the notice will be withdrawn.'

Many plot holders voted green thinking the Greens would save the allotment service from its terminal decline... in fact its turned out that the Greens have had the most damaging effect on allotments !

Valerie I think if you do by chance come accross a brain cell you would be positively dangerous !! some folk need a car as they cant walk far ! it is folk like you that need composting!!!

NickBrt wrote:
ruberducker, none of the people I know with dyslexia claim it causes them to post inappropriate language the way it seems to do with you. But let's get back to the issue, as HJarrs constantly tells us, Greens are the most wonderful people ever to walk the earth and can do no wrong. Please can we all have a statue of Jason and Caroline (and HJarrs) on every street corner.

Well, if the Greens are so bad then suggest why I should vote for anybody else? Name your party. I didn't expect miracles as I posted before, there have been sucesses and things that could have been done better but in the round I am happy with where I placed my vote.

I am pleased to live in a city where many local people have not followed the herd and unthinkingly voted for the main three political parties, but have got involved with and voted for something fresh and different. The Green Party is a local grass routes party, it is a shame you can't take some pride in this.

gnarlychaos wrote:
Green party.This is your one shot. The next election will let you know just what local people think of you.Start packing now .

We live in hope that you are right.

HJarrs wrote:

NickBrt wrote: ruberducker, none of the people I know with dyslexia claim it causes them to post inappropriate language the way it seems to do with you. But let's get back to the issue, as HJarrs constantly tells us, Greens are the most wonderful people ever to walk the earth and can do no wrong. Please can we all have a statue of Jason and Caroline (and HJarrs) on every street corner.

Well, if the Greens are so bad then suggest why I should vote for anybody else? Name your party. I didn't expect miracles as I posted before, there have been sucesses and things that could have been done better but in the round I am happy with where I placed my vote. I am pleased to live in a city where many local people have not followed the herd and unthinkingly voted for the main three political parties, but have got involved with and voted for something fresh and different. The Green Party is a local grass routes party, it is a shame you can't take some pride in this.

Different flock of sheep following mindlessly another idealogy

JumboJimbo wrote:
Re:Allotments >>>An increase of 116 allotment plots in the city during 2011/12 This is not 'new' allotments. This increase is only due to chopping plots in two. At the moment the policy is that every time an allotment becomes available, it is chopped into two allotments. That is how the greens are increasing allotment numbers. That is why they have also sent out letters threatening termination to up to 80% of plot holders.. The letters say 'give up half your plot and the notice will be withdrawn.' Many plot holders voted green thinking the Greens would save the allotment service from its terminal decline... in fact its turned out that the Greens have had the most damaging effect on allotments !

I'm told some full size plots are being chopped into quarter for re-allocation, that full-grown fruit trees are being ordered to be chopped down, etc., etc. which could not be more un-Green. Cruel too and causing huge distress to long-standing allotment-holders.

Dirk Von Roden wrote:
Valerie I think if you do by chance come accross a brain cell you would be positively dangerous !! some folk need a car as they cant walk far ! it is folk like you that need composting!!!

I stand corrected. I am one of those who can't walk freely any more and I use taxis or get driven where I need t go.

Your swaggering abuse makes you look a prat.

And the Greens have achieved very little in my humble opinion, other than garner small pockets of support from people in minority groups who they seem happy to pander to.

Can't wait for the next elections when Brighton will surely vote them away.

Valerie Paynter wrote:

Dirk Von Roden wrote:
Valerie I think if you do by chance come accross a brain cell you would be positively dangerous !! some folk need a car as they cant walk far ! it is folk like you that need composting!!!

I stand corrected. I am one of those who can't walk freely any more and I use taxis or get driven where I need t go.

Your swaggering abuse makes you look a prat.

aha so you get Taxis or driven !! if by your very silly statement folk were "rationed so to speak " re mileage would that taxi trip or car journey be included within your ration ? would the drivers mileage be inclusive ?? would you pay the extra cost for a taxi if a driver went over their"Allotted mileage"?? think dont just spout ! and as far as me looking a Pratt (TWO "T"s) I would rather look foolish in a comfortable car that gets me from a to b rather than looking like a Pratt when I cant make it any further in my wheelchair or fall over using my crutches!! so thank you Valerie for your very kind and well thought out response !! are you actually allowed out on your own??

Some of my media type, middle class friends admitted they voted Green for a change and have since said they will never do it again as they didn't recluse what a load of extremist student types were in the party.
It will be interesting to see if those comments in the round are true for many of the voters who tired of the mainstream parties only to find the Green folk are a smattering of right and left wingers who could sit in either the Tory or Labour groups.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Some of my media type, middle class friends admitted they voted Green for a change and have since said they will never do it again as they didn't recluse what a load of extremist student types were in the party. It will be interesting to see if those comments in the round are true for many of the voters who tired of the mainstream parties only to find the Green folk are a smattering of right and left wingers who could sit in either the Tory or Labour groups.

I think you will find I and many others would have a great deal of trouble sitting in the Tory or Labour groups as they simply represent a very narrow view of the world that doesn't address the pressing problems that we face in the long term. There is not a great deal to seperate them. True that the Tories are far more brutal, a Labour government would be preferable.

Rather it is many in the Labour and Liberal Parties that should find their natural home in the Green Party. But then politics is too tribal for some to change.

I'm pretty certain this is the first comment thread I've ever read in the Argus, where TWO posters play the Cripple Card. I feel as if I've found a four-leaf clover.

NickBrt wrote:
ruberducker, none of the people I know with dyslexia claim it causes them to post inappropriate language the way it seems to do with you.
But let's get back to the issue, as HJarrs constantly tells us, Greens are the most wonderful people ever to walk the earth and can do no wrong. Please can we all have a statue of Jason and Caroline (and HJarrs) on every street corner.

i never said it did,but lets get back to the issue,the greens have not done anything to make me re-elect them,and i stand by my remark....you have your head up your own arse thinking youre opinion is better just becuase you can spell it.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Some of my media type, middle class friends admitted they voted Green for a change and have since said they will never do it again as they didn't recluse what a load of extremist student types were in the party.
It will be interesting to see if those comments in the round are true for many of the voters who tired of the mainstream parties only to find the Green folk are a smattering of right and left wingers who could sit in either the Tory or Labour groups.

Act like students, voted in by students. A match made in heaven, except for the rest of the city which is suffering from the impact of these out-of-touch amateurs.

fredflintstone1 wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Some of my media type, middle class friends admitted they voted Green for a change and have since said they will never do it again as they didn't recluse what a load of extremist student types were in the party. It will be interesting to see if those comments in the round are true for many of the voters who tired of the mainstream parties only to find the Green folk are a smattering of right and left wingers who could sit in either the Tory or Labour groups.

Act like students, voted in by students. A match made in heaven, except for the rest of the city which is suffering from the impact of these out-of-touch amateurs.

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