Thatcher death celebration T-shirts removed from sale in Brighton Centre

Margaret Thatcher at the 1976 Conservative party conference Margaret Thatcher at the 1976 Conservative party conference

T-shirts on sale at the Brighton Centre celebrating the “death” of Margaret Thatcher have been condemned as “inappropriate”.

Shirts bearing the slogan, “A generation of trade unionists will dance on Thatchers[SIC] grave”, were being sold from a stall in the Brighton Centre as part of the TUC conference yesterday.

But following criticism the stall removed them from sale.

Baroness Thatcher, who suffers from dementia, has suffered deteriorating health in recent years and was too ill to join the Queen for a Golden Jubilee lunch in May.

Hove MP Mike Weatherley condemned those responsible for selling the T-shirts, which bear a picture of a tombstone with the former Prime Minister’s name on, as “sick in the head”.

He said: “I have no doubt that any decent and sensible trade union member would be sickened at the idea of wishing for an elderly lady to die.

You’d have to have something wrong in the head to make those sorts of statements.”

Brighton and Hove City Council disassociated itself from the merchandise – sold within the council owned building.

A spokeswoman said the council would not routinely vet every item sold at the Brighton Centre during private events and would only intervene if it received a complaint or if items were illegal.

The spokesman said: “The TUC hired the Brighton Centre for a private event and we do not ask about every itemthey are selling.

“We have spoken to the TUC who have confirmed the T-shirts have been taken off sale.”

A spokesman for the TUC said: “The T-shirts are no longer on sale.

“They were not officialmerchandise. We have a lot of exhibitors and they were being sold by one of the stalls.”

TUC chairman Brendan Barber condemned the shirts as “completely inappropriate.”

Comments(90)

john5001 says...
9:09am Wed 12 Sep 12

she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now

magoo says...
9:23am Wed 12 Sep 12

Isn't making thousands of people jobless and families go hungry tantamount to wishing people dead?

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
9:26am Wed 12 Sep 12

john5001 wrote:
she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture.

The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.

Crystal Ball says...
9:28am Wed 12 Sep 12

Blair should be put on trial for crimes of treason against this country and its people.

Hovite says...
9:29am Wed 12 Sep 12

I would blame the Bush's poodle Blair for the mess we are in now, taking us to an illegal war and costing us billions. Not forgetting giving the banks the license to rip us all off and put the country in debt.

You can't blame Thatcher for where we are now John5001!

It's laughable that people still think they can use Thatcher in an argument.

Oooh err says...
9:29am Wed 12 Sep 12

How this country needs a leader like Margaret Thatcher now.

geomians says...
9:37am Wed 12 Sep 12

lordenglandofsussex wrote:
Britain's demise started with Thatcher and was put into terminal decline by Blair and his filth party.

Britain has changed beyond recognition and what was a once wonderful country has become a cesspit of crime and mass immigration.

The media is now controlled to such an extent that political bias has become endemic towards a liberal agenda. It must stop.
Great argument! Let's all go back to the winter of discontent, rats running rife on our streets as dustman refused to collect the rubbish, general strikes, et al... pre Thatcher.
You are either to young to remember or too stupid to accept this country needed to be dragged out of the dark ages.

B G Gruff says...
9:41am Wed 12 Sep 12

it is weird wearing a t-shirt celebrating someone's death. I felt the same when i saw that happened in the states when Bin Laden was killed. I dislike what the woman did intensely but that lady is long gone along with her faculties. I could only imagine 'celebrating' her death if I was forced to pay for a state funeral through my taxes. it they keep it private so will I.

Morpheus says...
9:43am Wed 12 Sep 12

john5001 wrote:
she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
She actually sold Britain to the ordinary people of the country through the cheap sale of shares in the old nationalised industries.

inadaptado says...
9:45am Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
john5001 wrote:
she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture.

The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
10:02am Wed 12 Sep 12

inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
john5001 wrote:
she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture.

The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what?

Your correct statement should have been......

..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)!

Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation.

Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us.

Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate.

Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?

Andy R says...
10:08am Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So it's true! You didn't die in that bunker in Berlin......

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
10:14am Wed 12 Sep 12

Andy R wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So it's true! You didn't die in that bunker in Berlin......
Presume AndyR is just another member of the workshy, benefit grabbing population, who will soon be forced to join the workforce.

Looking forward to seeing your tax contributions joining mine in the not too distant future, when you can no longer get something for doing nothing.

hubby says...
10:22am Wed 12 Sep 12

An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?

Charismatic Andrew says...
10:26am Wed 12 Sep 12

Oooh err wrote:
How this country needs a leader like Margaret Thatcher now.
Don't be ridiculous. As the article says she's suffering from dementia. It would be crazy for her to take on the leadership again. Absolutely crazy. Complete nonsense.

pjwilk says...
10:26am Wed 12 Sep 12

All Governments have badly treated the working class,we have had to pay for their mistakes,the banks mistakes but most of all all British lives lost in illegal wars mainly by that liar Blair,he should be tried for his actions.Every MP and Councillor are bleeding the taxpayer dry with their salaries and expenses,lets get with the present mob the past is gone.Also the BBC are abusing our licence fees,get rid of them.

Oooh err says...
10:29am Wed 12 Sep 12

Charismatic Andrew wrote:
Oooh err wrote:
How this country needs a leader like Margaret Thatcher now.
Don't be ridiculous. As the article says she's suffering from dementia. It would be crazy for her to take on the leadership again. Absolutely crazy. Complete nonsense.
Methinks you have twisted my sentiment somewhat; very funny though!

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
10:35am Wed 12 Sep 12

hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is.

Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs.

Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!

whereisthe...? says...
11:18am Wed 12 Sep 12

No worse than the thousands of innocent lives Thatcher took / ruined. Simple. What goes around...

inadaptado says...
11:40am Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
john5001 wrote:
she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture.

The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what?

Your correct statement should have been......

..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)!

Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation.

Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us.

Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate.

Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
And there I thought the art of trolling was dead. Bravo, sir, bravo.

gaz scott says...
12:08pm Wed 12 Sep 12

That was my interpretation of the phrase "not sharing the full truth". My apologies if I wrongly assumed you were suggesting something you didn't exactly mean.

But maybe for the sake of clarity you'd like to explain exactly what you did mean and perhaps comment on your own command of the English language and what conclusions we might be allowed to draw from it.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
12:16pm Wed 12 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
That was my interpretation of the phrase "not sharing the full truth". My apologies if I wrongly assumed you were suggesting something you didn't exactly mean.

But maybe for the sake of clarity you'd like to explain exactly what you did mean and perhaps comment on your own command of the English language and what conclusions we might be allowed to draw from it.
Are you representing samallerdice on this thread, if not I suggest you butt out as you are wasting your own and my time.

gaz scott says...
12:22pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
That was my interpretation of the phrase "not sharing the full truth". My apologies if I wrongly assumed you were suggesting something you didn't exactly mean.

But maybe for the sake of clarity you'd like to explain exactly what you did mean and perhaps comment on your own command of the English language and what conclusions we might be allowed to draw from it.
Are you representing samallerdice on this thread, if not I suggest you butt out as you are wasting your own and my time.
OK I will but you have demonstrated to all on here what a hypocrite you are by dismissing someone's post on the basis of a small typo when your own posts contain many grammatical errors. Subject closed.

Auld School says...
12:32pm Wed 12 Sep 12

hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man. She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day. Where can I get one of these shirts?
Nice try. The unions in the 70 and 80s were not about protecting the working man they were about power and greed.

Spin forward to the Labour years 97-2010 and they allow unrestricted immigration with huge numbers of unskilled immigrants flooding the unskilled labour markets. This surplus of labour drives down the wages of British unskilled workers and they are driven to welfare.

Not a peep from the unions.

People like you dont get it because you are a bigot. The working class don't trust the Tories because they are Tories. We know what they are.

Labour and the socialists though they speak with forked tongue. They say they are for the working man but look what they have done for the British working class. Driven them to welfare.

So, they are much worse than tories.......and I hate them for their betrayal. As a working class man I will happily dance on their graves.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
12:32pm Wed 12 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
That was my interpretation of the phrase "not sharing the full truth". My apologies if I wrongly assumed you were suggesting something you didn't exactly mean.

But maybe for the sake of clarity you'd like to explain exactly what you did mean and perhaps comment on your own command of the English language and what conclusions we might be allowed to draw from it.
Are you representing samallerdice on this thread, if not I suggest you butt out as you are wasting your own and my time.
OK I will but you have demonstrated to all on here what a hypocrite you are by dismissing someone's post on the basis of a small typo when your own posts contain many grammatical errors. Subject closed.
More importantly and relevant, I think you are unhelpfully busy, demonstrating an inept lack of judgement and a desire for nuisance by involving yourself in something of no relevance to you. Accordingly, I suggest you cease posting with immediate effect and instead attend to something value creating.

gaz scott says...
12:38pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
That was my interpretation of the phrase "not sharing the full truth". My apologies if I wrongly assumed you were suggesting something you didn't exactly mean.

But maybe for the sake of clarity you'd like to explain exactly what you did mean and perhaps comment on your own command of the English language and what conclusions we might be allowed to draw from it.
Are you representing samallerdice on this thread, if not I suggest you butt out as you are wasting your own and my time.
OK I will but you have demonstrated to all on here what a hypocrite you are by dismissing someone's post on the basis of a small typo when your own posts contain many grammatical errors. Subject closed.
More importantly and relevant, I think you are unhelpfully busy, demonstrating an inept lack of judgement and a desire for nuisance by involving yourself in something of no relevance to you. Accordingly, I suggest you cease posting with immediate effect and instead attend to something value creating.
Oh God! Verbiage. It's not you again is it Bladesboy?

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
12:57pm Wed 12 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
That was my interpretation of the phrase "not sharing the full truth". My apologies if I wrongly assumed you were suggesting something you didn't exactly mean.

But maybe for the sake of clarity you'd like to explain exactly what you did mean and perhaps comment on your own command of the English language and what conclusions we might be allowed to draw from it.
Are you representing samallerdice on this thread, if not I suggest you butt out as you are wasting your own and my time.
OK I will but you have demonstrated to all on here what a hypocrite you are by dismissing someone's post on the basis of a small typo when your own posts contain many grammatical errors. Subject closed.
More importantly and relevant, I think you are unhelpfully busy, demonstrating an inept lack of judgement and a desire for nuisance by involving yourself in something of no relevance to you. Accordingly, I suggest you cease posting with immediate effect and instead attend to something value creating.
Oh God! Verbiage. It's not you again is it Bladesboy?
You have been asked to stop posting, but don't seem to grasp such a simple request, hence my choice of words.

I sense you are the site troll, as otherwise your comments may have been aligned to the story. Please stop wasting your time and more importantly mine by continuing with this dialogue.

Your earlier apology for your personal ineptness has been accepted, so no need to update further.

gaz scott says...
1:41pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Sorry matey but I said I would as far as this discussion went then you started your trademark verbiage. So, you shut up then I will, but you can't make meaningless and long-winded statements about me and expect me not to reply.

So Bladesboy wannabe moderator and forum idiot did you get banned again and have to set up a new username. (Rhetorical question)

jeremy radvan says...
1:41pm Wed 12 Sep 12

I have no objection to Thatcher being granted a state funeral when her time comes. I believe that it would be appropriate to organise it along lines with which she would feel comfortable. The whole ceremony should be put out to competitive tender. This would ensure that the "hard pressed taxpayer" would get value for money. I am now in a position to guarantee that my bid would be by far the cheapest. There is no need for a gun carriage as I know a pond where, with a bit of paddling about, I can obtain a set of pram wheels. The large cardboard box that could be picked up from the back of Halfords might not sit securely but would certainly be cheaper than oak. The greatest expense I can imagine would be the litre of petrol needed to complete the ceremony in an undeveloped plot in Shoreditch. The final journey of the bucket of ashes to the viewing platform on The Shard could be achieved on foot. With the wind in the right direction the "greatest peacetime prime minister" could be scattered across London for less than £3.00.

gaz scott says...
1:50pm Wed 12 Sep 12

jeremy radvan wrote:
I have no objection to Thatcher being granted a state funeral when her time comes. I believe that it would be appropriate to organise it along lines with which she would feel comfortable. The whole ceremony should be put out to competitive tender. This would ensure that the "hard pressed taxpayer" would get value for money. I am now in a position to guarantee that my bid would be by far the cheapest. There is no need for a gun carriage as I know a pond where, with a bit of paddling about, I can obtain a set of pram wheels. The large cardboard box that could be picked up from the back of Halfords might not sit securely but would certainly be cheaper than oak. The greatest expense I can imagine would be the litre of petrol needed to complete the ceremony in an undeveloped plot in Shoreditch. The final journey of the bucket of ashes to the viewing platform on The Shard could be achieved on foot. With the wind in the right direction the "greatest peacetime prime minister" could be scattered across London for less than £3.00.
Ha ha very good. I'll donate the £3.00 and give you an extra £5 if you make sure she's still alive when you do it.

Hoarder12345444 says...
2:03pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.

Cyril Bolleaux says...
2:27pm Wed 12 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
jeremy radvan wrote: I have no objection to Thatcher being granted a state funeral when her time comes. I believe that it would be appropriate to organise it along lines with which she would feel comfortable. The whole ceremony should be put out to competitive tender. This would ensure that the "hard pressed taxpayer" would get value for money. I am now in a position to guarantee that my bid would be by far the cheapest. There is no need for a gun carriage as I know a pond where, with a bit of paddling about, I can obtain a set of pram wheels. The large cardboard box that could be picked up from the back of Halfords might not sit securely but would certainly be cheaper than oak. The greatest expense I can imagine would be the litre of petrol needed to complete the ceremony in an undeveloped plot in Shoreditch. The final journey of the bucket of ashes to the viewing platform on The Shard could be achieved on foot. With the wind in the right direction the "greatest peacetime prime minister" could be scattered across London for less than £3.00.
Ha ha very good. I'll donate the £3.00 and give you an extra £5 if you make sure she's still alive when you do it.
What repulsive people you are.

Will's blog says...
3:02pm Wed 12 Sep 12

I was at the National Union of Teachers fringe meeting last night. It was a party in the Grand Hotel. Tray after tray of wine came past. My cameraman and I sipped half a glass then got another full one. They must have done a 100+ bottles of good quality wine. I told a delegate that the Tories make their members pay their own train fare and hotel and pay £175 each for their conference. He nearly fell over. The best fringe was RMT on Sunday in the Old Ship Hotel. While Bob Crow thundered on about his rights we got silver trays full of slices of roast beef. The NUJ's fringe was the meanest with the wine. As for the merchandise I bought a tin of Lenin mints and a Che Cherava tee shirt for my daughter. I didn't see the Thatcher one-there was too much to look at.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
3:17pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.
Ha ha

What Labour achieved was no different to taking the countries credit card out and maxing it on appeasing the people who voted them into power, including the workshy and benefit grabbers. Well the parties now over and its time to pay the debt down, which means its work time for the workshy, are you one of them?

Margaret had the strength of leadership and vision to address many of the underlying issues left by the previous Wilson/Callaghan circus ahead of Labour getting the reins back in 97 and setting us all back 10 years. She should be thanked and not berated and we all owe her our immense gratitude for her role in our future.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
3:28pm Wed 12 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
Sorry matey but I said I would as far as this discussion went then you started your trademark verbiage. So, you shut up then I will, but you can't make meaningless and long-winded statements about me and expect me not to reply.

So Bladesboy wannabe moderator and forum idiot did you get banned again and have to set up a new username. (Rhetorical question)
You are certainly no Matey of mine and your rambling is getting on my nerves and I'd imagine those of other readers too.

Do you actually have anything to say on this story, or do you just make nasty comments about other posters?

John Birnie says...
3:40pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Anyone remember the ARA General Belgrano?

F in L says...
3:59pm Wed 12 Sep 12

A million Scousers will dance on her grave......I will join them, it will be a party to remember.

ruberducker says...
4:19pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Auld School wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man. She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day. Where can I get one of these shirts?
Nice try. The unions in the 70 and 80s were not about protecting the working man they were about power and greed.

Spin forward to the Labour years 97-2010 and they allow unrestricted immigration with huge numbers of unskilled immigrants flooding the unskilled labour markets. This surplus of labour drives down the wages of British unskilled workers and they are driven to welfare.

Not a peep from the unions.

People like you dont get it because you are a bigot. The working class don't trust the Tories because they are Tories. We know what they are.

Labour and the socialists though they speak with forked tongue. They say they are for the working man but look what they have done for the British working class. Driven them to welfare.

So, they are much worse than tories.......and I hate them for their betrayal. As a working class man I will happily dance on their graves.
what happened to the "british jobs for british workers"just have a look at the proportion of non indigenous taxi drivers there are in brighton.

ourcoalition says...
4:26pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Morpheus wrote:
john5001 wrote:
she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
She actually sold Britain to the ordinary people of the country through the cheap sale of shares in the old nationalised industries.
Which were then snapped up by the multi-nationals - brilliant!!! You fell for the lies then, and probably, now!

ourcoalition says...
4:27pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Oooh err wrote:
How this country needs a leader like Margaret Thatcher now.
Yup - this lot are even worse!

ourcoalition says...
4:30pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So it's true! You didn't die in that bunker in Berlin......
Presume AndyR is just another member of the workshy, benefit grabbing population, who will soon be forced to join the workforce.

Looking forward to seeing your tax contributions joining mine in the not too distant future, when you can no longer get something for doing nothing.
That will be 0.7% of claimants - DWP's own figures, by the way.
Lets demonise the 99.3% - most of whom had jobs, want jobs, and would work, if there was any work around.
And your assumption about AndyR is completely wrong, as well!

ourcoalition says...
4:33pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is.

Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs.

Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
"Blair the socialists friend"? All your points are rubbish, but that is the most rubbish - what evidence have you got for that??!!

gaz scott says...
4:37pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Sorry matey but I said I would as far as this discussion went then you started your trademark verbiage. So, you shut up then I will, but you can't make meaningless and long-winded statements about me and expect me not to reply.

So Bladesboy wannabe moderator and forum idiot did you get banned again and have to set up a new username. (Rhetorical question)
You are certainly no Matey of mine and your rambling is getting on my nerves and I'd imagine those of other readers too.

Do you actually have anything to say on this story, or do you just make nasty comments about other posters?
Sorry but you started with the nasty comments about somebody's English language skills and I was simply pointing out your hypocrisy in doing so. And you were the one who started all the diversionary rambling once you realised you couldn't justify your hypocrisy.

Chipstick41 says...
5:39pm Wed 12 Sep 12

ourcoalition wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is.

Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs.

Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
"Blair the socialists friend"? All your points are rubbish, but that is the most rubbish - what evidence have you got for that??!!
Thatcher was all for power...but not to the people. She left the poor poorer, and gave herself, the Tory government, and all her millionaire friends 'carte blanche' to do whatever they wanted to do. She wanted the Falklands conflict, 'cos every Prime Minister wants a war to prove their power. And now, with the publication of all that was covered up following the Hillsborough disaster, the power of the Government caused 96 unneccesary deaths. Thatcher left the Government with blood on her hands. Not really concerned that she is in bad health, she should have ensured that all those involved in the Hillsborough should have been brought to justice then, NOT 23 years later. Thatcher was bad for this country. Full stop.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
6:04pm Wed 12 Sep 12

ourcoalition wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is.

Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs.

Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
"Blair the socialists friend"? All your points are rubbish, but that is the most rubbish - what evidence have you got for that??!!
Do you always spout absolute nonsense, or is it just saved for the nonsensical points you attempt (very badly) to make on here?

Now let me think are socialists closer to Labour or Tory? Mmm! That'll make Tony a friend of the socialists who helped vote him and his lot in then.

In terms of benefit claimants then when you, AndyR and your chums are back (assumes you ever have been) working, together with the other 50% (your figures are nonsense) then the UK will truly be a better place.

Best regards

gaz scott says...
6:13pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is.

Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs.

Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
"Blair the socialists friend"? All your points are rubbish, but that is the most rubbish - what evidence have you got for that??!!
Do you always spout absolute nonsense, or is it just saved for the nonsensical points you attempt (very badly) to make on here?

Now let me think are socialists closer to Labour or Tory? Mmm! That'll make Tony a friend of the socialists who helped vote him and his lot in then.

In terms of benefit claimants then when you, AndyR and your chums are back (assumes you ever have been) working, together with the other 50% (your figures are nonsense) then the UK will truly be a better place.

Best regards
Tony Blair (and New Labour generally) was closer, much closer to the Tories and big business in ideology and sympathy than he ever was any even soft-left Socialist.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
6:18pm Wed 12 Sep 12

ourcoalition wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
john5001 wrote:
she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
She actually sold Britain to the ordinary people of the country through the cheap sale of shares in the old nationalised industries.
Which were then snapped up by the multi-nationals - brilliant!!! You fell for the lies then, and probably, now!
You need to get out more and find out what's really happening on the streets and in the real world. Seems, you were either too young to experience that period, or maybe were enjoying yourself too much to see reality.

sasquatch2202 says...
6:27pm Wed 12 Sep 12

jeremy radvan wrote:
I have no objection to Thatcher being granted a state funeral when her time comes. I believe that it would be appropriate to organise it along lines with which she would feel comfortable. The whole ceremony should be put out to competitive tender. This would ensure that the "hard pressed taxpayer" would get value for money. I am now in a position to guarantee that my bid would be by far the cheapest. There is no need for a gun carriage as I know a pond where, with a bit of paddling about, I can obtain a set of pram wheels. The large cardboard box that could be picked up from the back of Halfords might not sit securely but would certainly be cheaper than oak. The greatest expense I can imagine would be the litre of petrol needed to complete the ceremony in an undeveloped plot in Shoreditch. The final journey of the bucket of ashes to the viewing platform on The Shard could be achieved on foot. With the wind in the right direction the "greatest peacetime prime minister" could be scattered across London for less than £3.00.
Give me a shout if you need a hand with the bucket. Its amazing how these people who stick up for this dispicable creature readily forget how itself and the later to be called "lord" lawson managed to get interest rates up to 16% throwing thousands of businesses to the wall as well as thousands of people losing their homes. The only people that arent affected by successive inept governments are rich people who always seem to benefit.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
6:34pm Wed 12 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is.

Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs.

Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
"Blair the socialists friend"? All your points are rubbish, but that is the most rubbish - what evidence have you got for that??!!
Do you always spout absolute nonsense, or is it just saved for the nonsensical points you attempt (very badly) to make on here?

Now let me think are socialists closer to Labour or Tory? Mmm! That'll make Tony a friend of the socialists who helped vote him and his lot in then.

In terms of benefit claimants then when you, AndyR and your chums are back (assumes you ever have been) working, together with the other 50% (your figures are nonsense) then the UK will truly be a better place.

Best regards
Tony Blair (and New Labour generally) was closer, much closer to the Tories and big business in ideology and sympathy than he ever was any even soft-left Socialist.
I had hoped we had heard the last of you.

As everyone knows, Blair and his chums were out and out Labour and please don't be selective with your memory after the event.

Where the confusion may lie is in what happened next and its really quite interesting how having duped his supporters he now has huge wealth and they don't. Are you one of the disaffected voters by any chance?

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
6:36pm Wed 12 Sep 12

sasquatch2202 wrote:
jeremy radvan wrote:
I have no objection to Thatcher being granted a state funeral when her time comes. I believe that it would be appropriate to organise it along lines with which she would feel comfortable. The whole ceremony should be put out to competitive tender. This would ensure that the "hard pressed taxpayer" would get value for money. I am now in a position to guarantee that my bid would be by far the cheapest. There is no need for a gun carriage as I know a pond where, with a bit of paddling about, I can obtain a set of pram wheels. The large cardboard box that could be picked up from the back of Halfords might not sit securely but would certainly be cheaper than oak. The greatest expense I can imagine would be the litre of petrol needed to complete the ceremony in an undeveloped plot in Shoreditch. The final journey of the bucket of ashes to the viewing platform on The Shard could be achieved on foot. With the wind in the right direction the "greatest peacetime prime minister" could be scattered across London for less than £3.00.
Give me a shout if you need a hand with the bucket. Its amazing how these people who stick up for this dispicable creature readily forget how itself and the later to be called "lord" lawson managed to get interest rates up to 16% throwing thousands of businesses to the wall as well as thousands of people losing their homes. The only people that arent affected by successive inept governments are rich people who always seem to benefit.
Another delusional comment. Your reference point should be Tony Blair, who served the benefit claiming classes extremely well!

gaz scott says...
6:43pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro




ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is.

Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs.

Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
"Blair the socialists friend"? All your points are rubbish, but that is the most rubbish - what evidence have you got for that??!!
Do you always spout absolute nonsense, or is it just saved for the nonsensical points you attempt (very badly) to make on here?

Now let me think are socialists closer to Labour or Tory? Mmm! That'll make Tony a friend of the socialists who helped vote him and his lot in then.

In terms of benefit claimants then when you, AndyR and your chums are back (assumes you ever have been) working, together with the other 50% (your figures are nonsense) then the UK will truly be a better place.

Best regards
Tony Blair (and New Labour generally) was closer, much closer to the Tories and big business in ideology and sympathy than he ever was any even soft-left Socialist.
I had hoped we had heard the last of you.

As everyone knows, Blair and his chums were out and out Labour and please don't be selective with your memory after the event.

Where the confusion may lie is in what happened next and its really quite interesting how having duped his supporters he now has huge wealth and they don't. Are you one of the disaffected voters by any chance?
You can't honestly think Tony Blair was "out and out Labour". Unfortunately he shifted the whole party substantially to the right. OK some might argue (not sure I would) that he wasn't as bad as the nasty and incompetent idiots we have in now.

And as if he wasn't always gonna be rich once he served his time in office. Serve the interests of the rich then get a big pay-off. It's how politics works unfortunately!

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
6:50pm Wed 12 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro





ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man.
She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day.
Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is.

Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs.

Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
"Blair the socialists friend"? All your points are rubbish, but that is the most rubbish - what evidence have you got for that??!!
Do you always spout absolute nonsense, or is it just saved for the nonsensical points you attempt (very badly) to make on here?

Now let me think are socialists closer to Labour or Tory? Mmm! That'll make Tony a friend of the socialists who helped vote him and his lot in then.

In terms of benefit claimants then when you, AndyR and your chums are back (assumes you ever have been) working, together with the other 50% (your figures are nonsense) then the UK will truly be a better place.

Best regards
Tony Blair (and New Labour generally) was closer, much closer to the Tories and big business in ideology and sympathy than he ever was any even soft-left Socialist.
I had hoped we had heard the last of you.

As everyone knows, Blair and his chums were out and out Labour and please don't be selective with your memory after the event.

Where the confusion may lie is in what happened next and its really quite interesting how having duped his supporters he now has huge wealth and they don't. Are you one of the disaffected voters by any chance?
You can't honestly think Tony Blair was "out and out Labour". Unfortunately he shifted the whole party substantially to the right. OK some might argue (not sure I would) that he wasn't as bad as the nasty and incompetent idiots we have in now.

And as if he wasn't always gonna be rich once he served his time in office. Serve the interests of the rich then get a big pay-off. It's how politics works unfortunately!
You didn't say whether you voted Labour in, I assume by your avoidance of my question that you did and therefore you only have yourself to blame for the absolute mess they (you) have made..

Labour/Socialism is all the same, getting something for nothing that somebody else has had to work hard to provide.

Margaret was great, a role model and if Cameron grew a pair he could enjoy similar success for us all.

sasquatch2202 says...
6:56pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
sasquatch2202 wrote:
jeremy radvan wrote:
I have no objection to Thatcher being granted a state funeral when her time comes. I believe that it would be appropriate to organise it along lines with which she would feel comfortable. The whole ceremony should be put out to competitive tender. This would ensure that the "hard pressed taxpayer" would get value for money. I am now in a position to guarantee that my bid would be by far the cheapest. There is no need for a gun carriage as I know a pond where, with a bit of paddling about, I can obtain a set of pram wheels. The large cardboard box that could be picked up from the back of Halfords might not sit securely but would certainly be cheaper than oak. The greatest expense I can imagine would be the litre of petrol needed to complete the ceremony in an undeveloped plot in Shoreditch. The final journey of the bucket of ashes to the viewing platform on The Shard could be achieved on foot. With the wind in the right direction the "greatest peacetime prime minister" could be scattered across London for less than £3.00.
Give me a shout if you need a hand with the bucket. Its amazing how these people who stick up for this dispicable creature readily forget how itself and the later to be called "lord" lawson managed to get interest rates up to 16% throwing thousands of businesses to the wall as well as thousands of people losing their homes. The only people that arent affected by successive inept governments are rich people who always seem to benefit.
Another delusional comment. Your reference point should be Tony Blair, who served the benefit claiming classes extremely well!
I ,as we'll as lots of hard working people I know were personally affected by Thatchers policies.The loss of jobs and homes inevitably led to the break up of many families. As for blair, I totally agree with you, I believe he let down the people of this country badly and he should be put on trial for war crimes. It's totally wrong that an underhanded ,evil pig like him is raking in 20 million a year.but that's politicians for you. The worst thing is that there is no viable alternative to the crap that's governing now! The main there parties are exactly the same and the greens are like the Nazi party!

Sussex jim says...
8:07pm Wed 12 Sep 12

In 1979 Margaret Thatcher rescued our country from the economic mess caused by the abuse of trade union power during the seventies. She gave those of us prepared to work hope and a chance to improve our lot. Council tenants were allowed to buy their homes at affordable prices. Free enterprise was encouraged.
Unfortunately she was stabbed in the back by her own party in 1990; just as our other great PM Churchill was, by the electorate, in 1945 having just got us through our darkest six years in history.
This lady has allowed me over the last thirty odd years to get to where I owe no-one money and can support my eventual retirement; and a secured future for my children and grandchildren.
If the regime in power upon her death (hopefully not for some time) will not pay for a fitting send-off, then I for one will donate.

sasquatch2202 says...
8:23pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Another product of the "I'm alright jack" brigade. I wonder what your opinion would be if you had lost you're house or job? Please please please put your hand in your pocket when she thankfully goes and you and the other people who did well out of other peoples misery can bury the old bat

maxiboy_ says...
8:42pm Wed 12 Sep 12

I say we bury Blair and his witch.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
8:58pm Wed 12 Sep 12

sasquatch2202 wrote:
Another product of the "I'm alright jack" brigade. I wonder what your opinion would be if you had lost you're house or job? Please please please put your hand in your pocket when she thankfully goes and you and the other people who did well out of other peoples misery can bury the old bat
Margaret tried to drive through the right policies for the right reasons for the benefit of the country and its people.

Business models may fail, just as other succeed. However people, attitude and aspiration invariably makes the difference.

vivelavive says...
10:17am Thu 13 Sep 12

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.
Are you completely stupid?

The "growth" under Labour that fools like you believe actually happened was smoke and mirrors.

The huge deficit we now have was down to the Labour government creating hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs to win votes without the money to pay for them.

So what happened? You guessed it! The government borrowed the money to pay these salaries and fund their various other initiatives designed simply to win favour amongst people stupid enough to fall for it. You seem an obvious candidate.

Now we have to pay it back. Thanks for those golden years Blair et al.

gaz scott says...
10:58am Thu 13 Sep 12

vivelavive wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.
Are you completely stupid?

The "growth" under Labour that fools like you believe actually happened was smoke and mirrors.

The huge deficit we now have was down to the Labour government creating hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs to win votes without the money to pay for them.

So what happened? You guessed it! The government borrowed the money to pay these salaries and fund their various other initiatives designed simply to win favour amongst people stupid enough to fall for it. You seem an obvious candidate.

Now we have to pay it back. Thanks for those golden years Blair et al.
Put very simply it all depends on whether you believe the current crisis was due to Government spending or to the massive deregulation and political complicity that have enabled huge global financial institutions to run amok. If we were the only country in the West suffering a crisis your argument might be more persuasive.

vivelavive says...
11:50am Thu 13 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
vivelavive wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.
Are you completely stupid?

The "growth" under Labour that fools like you believe actually happened was smoke and mirrors.

The huge deficit we now have was down to the Labour government creating hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs to win votes without the money to pay for them.

So what happened? You guessed it! The government borrowed the money to pay these salaries and fund their various other initiatives designed simply to win favour amongst people stupid enough to fall for it. You seem an obvious candidate.

Now we have to pay it back. Thanks for those golden years Blair et al.
Put very simply it all depends on whether you believe the current crisis was due to Government spending or to the massive deregulation and political complicity that have enabled huge global financial institutions to run amok. If we were the only country in the West suffering a crisis your argument might be more persuasive.
I am not denying that the world is in recession.

I do not agree, however, that deregulation of the financial services industry led the Labour government to spend £150 billion a year more than it received in taxes.

Old Ladys Gin says...
11:57am Thu 13 Sep 12

Oooh err wrote:
How this country needs a leader like Margaret Thatcher now.
Strong leader = Dictator

I'd rather have strong systems that negated the need for a strong leader.

Old Ladys Gin says...
12:01pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
Oooh err wrote:
How this country needs a leader like Margaret Thatcher now.
Strong leader = Dictator

I'd rather have strong systems that negated the need for a strong leader.
Correction.

I'd rather have strong systems that prevented the possibility of a strong leader.

gaz scott says...
12:04pm Thu 13 Sep 12

vivelavive wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
vivelavive wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro




ng
wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.
Are you completely stupid?

The "growth" under Labour that fools like you believe actually happened was smoke and mirrors.

The huge deficit we now have was down to the Labour government creating hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs to win votes without the money to pay for them.

So what happened? You guessed it! The government borrowed the money to pay these salaries and fund their various other initiatives designed simply to win favour amongst people stupid enough to fall for it. You seem an obvious candidate.

Now we have to pay it back. Thanks for those golden years Blair et al.
Put very simply it all depends on whether you believe the current crisis was due to Government spending or to the massive deregulation and political complicity that have enabled huge global financial institutions to run amok. If we were the only country in the West suffering a crisis your argument might be more persuasive.
I am not denying that the world is in recession.

I do not agree, however, that deregulation of the financial services industry led the Labour government to spend £150 billion a year more than it received in taxes.
Labour are just as much to blame as the Tories for the mess.

Mark63 says...
12:08pm Thu 13 Sep 12

I am no fan of any politician of any party - they are all as good/bad as each other but this is just plain sick - as are a lot of the comments on here.

Poccypoc says...
12:16pm Thu 13 Sep 12

For Christ's sake, stop banging on about Tony Blair being put on trial for war crimes. What a bore?! Just remember if it hadn't been for George Bush and Tony Blair, along with thousands of service personnel, Saddam Hussein would still be in power killing many more than died in the Iraq war. I think he killed 6,000 Kurds. If he could have killed 60,000, he would have.

The Thatcher t-shirts were totally irresponsible. I was IN Brighton on Monday, the first day of the TUC conference, and had some delegates openly say their liquid lunch was on expenses.

I am in two unions, and wouldn't have it any other way, but I don'y pay my subs for these beer-swilling union dinosaurs to get drunk. There are many good union people, but these ones let the side down.

sussexram40 says...
8:10pm Thu 13 Sep 12

In this country anyone should be able to celebrate the death of whoever they wish. However I do think it's in bad taste to do it before a person is dead. If you have a deep hatred for a person because of things they done to you then it's only natural to celebrate their demise.I shall celebrate Thatchers death in a low key way when it comes for reasons personal to me.

mr punch says...
11:34pm Thu 13 Sep 12

never mind, at least they have the t shirts ready for when the old bat cops it. I think it will a great day of celebration cos she was a nasty, smelly, evil old crow who left a lot of us with absolutely sweet fa. some ppl may think she was the best thing since sliced bread but they probably dint have to live in a 5h1t hole cos there was no mwork for the common man whilst the fat cats puffed on their cigars, looked out the window and muttered.. "let them eat scraps"

disgruntledHove says...
1:17am Fri 14 Sep 12

IF only Youth knew...and Age could !!!

What a sick society that wishes to celebrate the death of ANYBODY !!

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
8:52am Fri 14 Sep 12

mr punch wrote:
never mind, at least they have the t shirts ready for when the old bat cops it. I think it will a great day of celebration cos she was a nasty, smelly, evil old crow who left a lot of us with absolutely sweet fa. some ppl may think she was the best thing since sliced bread but they probably dint have to live in a 5h1t hole cos there was no mwork for the common man whilst the fat cats puffed on their cigars, looked out the window and muttered.. "let them eat scraps"
Sadly a number of people make themselves unemployable by their lack of skills and attitude. Equally those people seek to blame others for their own predicament rather than doing something to improve their position and mr punch's comments sound typical of such a person.

In the words of Derek and Clive 'own up or grow up or be something in this world, ..... ..... don't be a carpet'

Cash Cow says...
9:51am Fri 14 Sep 12

I love Maggie. Because she is only human she did make some mistakes during her time as PM. I still get goose pimples remebering the celebrations and the welcome when we returned home from the Falkland Islands in 1982, Britain pulled together and as a nation we were proud of who we are (were). I understand how the coal miners still feel, though I do honestly believe Mrs Thatcher did what she felt was best for the country as a whole, in contrast, Blair did what he thought was best for Blair, and it was him who ruined this country, not Maggie.

Cap'n Pugwash says...
10:00am Fri 14 Sep 12

Morpheus wrote:
john5001 wrote:
she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
She actually sold Britain to the ordinary people of the country through the cheap sale of shares in the old nationalised industries.
That explains why all of the utility companies are now in foreign hands. Rich tory boys buying up shares cheaply from 'ordinary people' before moving them on to foreign companies at a healthy profit who now see the UK as a cash cow. Thanks for clearing that up.

It is good to see the evil woman and her government finally being exposed for their part in the Hillsborough cover-up. She thought she had got away with it but didn't reckon on the tenacity of the families of the 96 victims refusing to give in until the lies were exposed. South Yorkshire Police's reward for their actions during the miner's strike is becoming unraveled at a rapid pace, dragging in Thatcher and her cronies. Despicable woman.

Hoarder12345444 says...
10:26am Fri 14 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
vivelavive wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
vivelavive wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.
Are you completely stupid? The "growth" under Labour that fools like you believe actually happened was smoke and mirrors. The huge deficit we now have was down to the Labour government creating hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs to win votes without the money to pay for them. So what happened? You guessed it! The government borrowed the money to pay these salaries and fund their various other initiatives designed simply to win favour amongst people stupid enough to fall for it. You seem an obvious candidate. Now we have to pay it back. Thanks for those golden years Blair et al.
Put very simply it all depends on whether you believe the current crisis was due to Government spending or to the massive deregulation and political complicity that have enabled huge global financial institutions to run amok. If we were the only country in the West suffering a crisis your argument might be more persuasive.
I am not denying that the world is in recession. I do not agree, however, that deregulation of the financial services industry led the Labour government to spend £150 billion a year more than it received in taxes.
Labour are just as much to blame as the Tories for the mess.
Don't try and insult me with your Tory boy claptrap. The bottom line is the world was in very good place from 1997 until even 2010 as Labour dealt with the crisis very well. There was growth for years, perhaps over spending, but a vibrant economy and lots of jobs and unemployment below 1.5 million (how accurate are these figures??). Now you have nearly 2.6 million unemployed, not many jobs a stagnant economy for nearly year and clueless Chancellor. And no plan B.

Labour created jobs, they created lots of prosperity and growth. They should have regulated the banks better to prevent the 2008 crisis though. They should have prevented less immigrants.

All this nonsense about Blair being a war criminal, nonsense, we had to stand with the US and wipe out Saddam Hussein. He was evil and posed a legitimate threat.


I therefore think that since 2010 since we returned to steady, not significant growth the severe austerity plan then came into effect in 2011 the economy has gone backwards. The facts don't lie, it's the governments fault we now have the longest ever peacetime economic recovery since WW2. They won't admit it, partly because they don't care. And partly because they are arrogant, just like Thatcher was. The Tories will always be the rich mans friend. Until the Tories realise that we need a different direction of economic policy given taxing breaks and lowering VAT and even Fuel duty the Economy will continue to stagnate much further. It needs help, stimulus yet all the government care about is the deficit. What is it really, and what is "debt" between countries anyway, certainly not the debt any normal person would understand!!!

sbiscorrupt says...
10:46am Fri 14 Sep 12

6pm, Trafalgar Square, on the first Saturday after the death of Thatcher...

The party date has been set for a while now...all we need is for the senile old bat to oblige!

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
10:56am Fri 14 Sep 12

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
vivelavive wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
vivelavive wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.
Are you completely stupid? The "growth" under Labour that fools like you believe actually happened was smoke and mirrors. The huge deficit we now have was down to the Labour government creating hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs to win votes without the money to pay for them. So what happened? You guessed it! The government borrowed the money to pay these salaries and fund their various other initiatives designed simply to win favour amongst people stupid enough to fall for it. You seem an obvious candidate. Now we have to pay it back. Thanks for those golden years Blair et al.
Put very simply it all depends on whether you believe the current crisis was due to Government spending or to the massive deregulation and political complicity that have enabled huge global financial institutions to run amok. If we were the only country in the West suffering a crisis your argument might be more persuasive.
I am not denying that the world is in recession. I do not agree, however, that deregulation of the financial services industry led the Labour government to spend £150 billion a year more than it received in taxes.
Labour are just as much to blame as the Tories for the mess.
Don't try and insult me with your Tory boy claptrap. The bottom line is the world was in very good place from 1997 until even 2010 as Labour dealt with the crisis very well. There was growth for years, perhaps over spending, but a vibrant economy and lots of jobs and unemployment below 1.5 million (how accurate are these figures??). Now you have nearly 2.6 million unemployed, not many jobs a stagnant economy for nearly year and clueless Chancellor. And no plan B.

Labour created jobs, they created lots of prosperity and growth. They should have regulated the banks better to prevent the 2008 crisis though. They should have prevented less immigrants.

All this nonsense about Blair being a war criminal, nonsense, we had to stand with the US and wipe out Saddam Hussein. He was evil and posed a legitimate threat.


I therefore think that since 2010 since we returned to steady, not significant growth the severe austerity plan then came into effect in 2011 the economy has gone backwards. The facts don't lie, it's the governments fault we now have the longest ever peacetime economic recovery since WW2. They won't admit it, partly because they don't care. And partly because they are arrogant, just like Thatcher was. The Tories will always be the rich mans friend. Until the Tories realise that we need a different direction of economic policy given taxing breaks and lowering VAT and even Fuel duty the Economy will continue to stagnate much further. It needs help, stimulus yet all the government care about is the deficit. What is it really, and what is "debt" between countries anyway, certainly not the debt any normal person would understand!!!
Please forgive the delay in response but I have been laughing uncontrollably at your comments. I initially read your post and thought it was some form of satirical spoof, then re-read it and now think its meant as a serious comment; hence the hilarity.

As you seem to have an unusual view on the truth allow me to help you by summarising what actually happened to create the feelgood factor...

After being elected (who can explain why, I can't) Blair and his cronies increased the limit on the Countries credit card and took it out on a relentless and misguided spending spree, creating jobs that weren't required and free income for people who weren't contributing. When the credit card statement hit the doormat after Labour had been found out and flushed away and with interest building up, difficult decisions have had to be taken.

I suspect you are one of the people who benefited from Labour's outrageous mismanagement of our great country and yes its payback time. Enjoy!

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
11:03am Fri 14 Sep 12

sbiscorrupt wrote:
6pm, Trafalgar Square, on the first Saturday after the death of Thatcher...

The party date has been set for a while now...all we need is for the senile old bat to oblige!
I am happy to propose a similar arrangement for the first week you do some work and don't draw benefits?

F in L says...
11:10am Fri 14 Sep 12

sbiscorrupt wrote:
6pm, Trafalgar Square, on the first Saturday after the death of Thatcher...

The party date has been set for a while now...all we need is for the senile old bat to oblige!
It will make the Jubilee Celebrations look tame!

sbiscorrupt says...
11:14am Fri 14 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
6pm, Trafalgar Square, on the first Saturday after the death of Thatcher...

The party date has been set for a while now...all we need is for the senile old bat to oblige!
I am happy to propose a similar arrangement for the first week you do some work and don't draw benefits?
As ever an apologist numpty is so far wide of the mark it couldn't even find it's own rectum!..

But even if it did it would find it's head already up there...

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
11:22am Fri 14 Sep 12

sbiscorrupt wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
6pm, Trafalgar Square, on the first Saturday after the death of Thatcher...

The party date has been set for a while now...all we need is for the senile old bat to oblige!
I am happy to propose a similar arrangement for the first week you do some work and don't draw benefits?
As ever an apologist numpty is so far wide of the mark it couldn't even find it's own rectum!..

But even if it did it would find it's head already up there...
Oh how the workshy, benefit claiming classes like to jest!

Hoarder12345444 says...
12:17pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
vivelavive wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
vivelavive wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:
john5001 wrote: she sold england to the yanks. thats why were in this mess now
The reason we are in a mess is the many years of Labour government, which systematically squandered billions of pounds on free handouts to the workshy benefit grabbers, encouraging the current culture. The very fact that TUC conference organisers allowed the sale of this type of completely unacceptable merchandise sums up why interest and support for unions will continue to dwindle. Lets hope that all existing benefits can be turned off as quickly as possible and the country restored to being credible again.
Nice try, private care worker.
Nice try, private care worker.......what? Your correct statement should have been...... ..............Good points raised and lets accelerate the withdrawal of benefits to create a sustainable culture of accountability and consequence (good as well as bad)! Let's work hard on collectively improving the GDP of this once fine country and return us back to great through enhanced productivity and innovation. Let's also ensure that the negative minority groups are not tolerated and instead are held to account for the nuisance and costs they create for us. Let's also flush out the people whose behaviour is unacceptable and lock them away for as long as it takes (build more prison capacity if required), or repatriate where appropriate. Finally, no one is owed a living and everyone has choices so inadaptado why not have another go at posting a comment that adds value?
So how do you explain the years of growth and prosperity under Labour from 1997 until 2008? 11 years of growth and lots of jobs. Yes immigration was bad, and yes too many people claimed benefits. But now you have the Tories trying to scare the disabled and get them to work, and not tax their rich mates too much. To blame the ordinary hard working person whilst letting rich companies dodge corporation tax. It it is funny how since growth returned in 2010 it has been eroded by severe goverment cuts and tax rises. To do what, get down the deficit? Get the economy strong first!! The tories are hurting this country's economy and keep blaming labour when it was under them there was long term prospterity and growth. Now all there is severe austerity and doom and gloom and all driven by Thatchers favourite rich boy, Cameron. I hate Thatcher for what she did to this country's industry and I hope she rots in hell for it.
Are you completely stupid? The "growth" under Labour that fools like you believe actually happened was smoke and mirrors. The huge deficit we now have was down to the Labour government creating hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs to win votes without the money to pay for them. So what happened? You guessed it! The government borrowed the money to pay these salaries and fund their various other initiatives designed simply to win favour amongst people stupid enough to fall for it. You seem an obvious candidate. Now we have to pay it back. Thanks for those golden years Blair et al.
Put very simply it all depends on whether you believe the current crisis was due to Government spending or to the massive deregulation and political complicity that have enabled huge global financial institutions to run amok. If we were the only country in the West suffering a crisis your argument might be more persuasive.
I am not denying that the world is in recession. I do not agree, however, that deregulation of the financial services industry led the Labour government to spend £150 billion a year more than it received in taxes.
Labour are just as much to blame as the Tories for the mess.
Don't try and insult me with your Tory boy claptrap. The bottom line is the world was in very good place from 1997 until even 2010 as Labour dealt with the crisis very well. There was growth for years, perhaps over spending, but a vibrant economy and lots of jobs and unemployment below 1.5 million (how accurate are these figures??). Now you have nearly 2.6 million unemployed, not many jobs a stagnant economy for nearly year and clueless Chancellor. And no plan B. Labour created jobs, they created lots of prosperity and growth. They should have regulated the banks better to prevent the 2008 crisis though. They should have prevented less immigrants. All this nonsense about Blair being a war criminal, nonsense, we had to stand with the US and wipe out Saddam Hussein. He was evil and posed a legitimate threat. I therefore think that since 2010 since we returned to steady, not significant growth the severe austerity plan then came into effect in 2011 the economy has gone backwards. The facts don't lie, it's the governments fault we now have the longest ever peacetime economic recovery since WW2. They won't admit it, partly because they don't care. And partly because they are arrogant, just like Thatcher was. The Tories will always be the rich mans friend. Until the Tories realise that we need a different direction of economic policy given taxing breaks and lowering VAT and even Fuel duty the Economy will continue to stagnate much further. It needs help, stimulus yet all the government care about is the deficit. What is it really, and what is "debt" between countries anyway, certainly not the debt any normal person would understand!!!
Please forgive the delay in response but I have been laughing uncontrollably at your comments. I initially read your post and thought it was some form of satirical spoof, then re-read it and now think its meant as a serious comment; hence the hilarity. As you seem to have an unusual view on the truth allow me to help you by summarising what actually happened to create the feelgood factor... After being elected (who can explain why, I can't) Blair and his cronies increased the limit on the Countries credit card and took it out on a relentless and misguided spending spree, creating jobs that weren't required and free income for people who weren't contributing. When the credit card statement hit the doormat after Labour had been found out and flushed away and with interest building up, difficult decisions have had to be taken. I suspect you are one of the people who benefited from Labour's outrageous mismanagement of our great country and yes its payback time. Enjoy!
This is turning out into quite a good debate! I've already said spending was too much, but doesn't that always happen, especially in corporations, when things are looking so good, it's just human nature.

Lets not forget it was Labours fault the banks regulation cost us, and the banks nearly collapsed, totally agree with that. However, you cannot deny there was prosperity for the UK and europe in those Labour years despite what you claim to be extravagent over spending.

The deficit of a developed country isn't actually that bad, yet still the government has persisted in cutting council budgets, jobs and big council contracts to try and cut it because they are obessed with it. You still won't admit that it's the Tories and not Labours fault we have seen zero growth this year and since 2010 when the Tories took over we were back to growth for a few quarters and now we are not? I agree tough cuts were needed, Labour did over spend a lot and went a bit too far. But the cuts should not be so deep so quickly and growth should be prority but it isn't. At least not yet. It should be. The goverment needs a plan B, it needs to ensure the economy is growing by next year as their forecasts have been slashed time after time. Wake up Cameron and you idiots, sort the economy out before you keep cutting more and more and putting people out of work.


I agree more people should be working, I hate the benefit scrounger as much as you, one of things Labour should be hung for. But to target the disabled is down right disgusting and typical of Tory mentality.

Get people working and get Britain moving.

sbiscorrupt says...
3:12pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
6pm, Trafalgar Square, on the first Saturday after the death of Thatcher...

The party date has been set for a while now...all we need is for the senile old bat to oblige!
I am happy to propose a similar arrangement for the first week you do some work and don't draw benefits?
As ever an apologist numpty is so far wide of the mark it couldn't even find it's own rectum!..

But even if it did it would find it's head already up there...
Oh how the workshy, benefit claiming classes like to jest!
And oh how you're still completely wrong..lol

When/if you manage to extricate your head from your a*se do come back with something constructive ...

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
3:48pm Fri 14 Sep 12

sbiscorrupt wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro



ng
wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
6pm, Trafalgar Square, on the first Saturday after the death of Thatcher...

The party date has been set for a while now...all we need is for the senile old bat to oblige!
I am happy to propose a similar arrangement for the first week you do some work and don't draw benefits?
As ever an apologist numpty is so far wide of the mark it couldn't even find it's own rectum!..

But even if it did it would find it's head already up there...
Oh how the workshy, benefit claiming classes like to jest!
And oh how you're still completely wrong..lol

When/if you manage to extricate your head from your a*se do come back with something constructive ...
Like plans on how we should celebrate the contribution Margaret has made to the UK. And how in the not too distant future the workshy and benefit grabbers will be flushed out and addressed.

Two celebrations, how special and motivating.

tooncgull says...
4:35pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
hubby wrote: An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man. She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day. Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is. Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs. Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
I have only contempt for Thatcher and her Tory followers. And some seem to want her back? Ye gads!

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
6:52pm Fri 14 Sep 12

tooncgull wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
hubby wrote: An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man. She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day. Where can I get one of these shirts?
Margaret's influence was sheer brilliance and its only the recent Labour government's crass incompetence and mismanagement that has left the country where it is. Funny how Blair, the socialist's friend is a multi-millionaire and the very people who put him into that position are also sharing the hand outs from his benefit programs. Won't be long before the gravy train is empty and just in the same way that you don't really know what is happening in the UK, you won't get a shirt in Spain!
I have only contempt for Thatcher and her Tory followers. And some seem to want her back? Ye gads!
Likewise the intelligent and informed among us have absolute contempt for the less intelligent and less informed who for reasons better known to them don't get it and make comments like yours; oh yes and of course the workshy and benefit grabbing population, soon to be eradicated...

...Goodbye and enjoy the journey!

Wooders22 says...
2:00am Sat 15 Sep 12

well im not reading through that pile of crap above, to me they're all as bad as each other, and are all to blame along with the puppeteers (bankers)

hubby says...
11:07am Sat 15 Sep 12

Auld School wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man. She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day. Where can I get one of these shirts?
Nice try. The unions in the 70 and 80s were not about protecting the working man they were about power and greed.

Spin forward to the Labour years 97-2010 and they allow unrestricted immigration with huge numbers of unskilled immigrants flooding the unskilled labour markets. This surplus of labour drives down the wages of British unskilled workers and they are driven to welfare.

Not a peep from the unions.

People like you dont get it because you are a bigot. The working class don't trust the Tories because they are Tories. We know what they are.

Labour and the socialists though they speak with forked tongue. They say they are for the working man but look what they have done for the British working class. Driven them to welfare.

So, they are much worse than tories.......and I hate them for their betrayal. As a working class man I will happily dance on their graves.
Your wonderful Tory party are followed only by the idle rich and the ignorant poor.Which are you?

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
6:07pm Sat 15 Sep 12

hubby wrote:
Auld School wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man. She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day. Where can I get one of these shirts?
Nice try. The unions in the 70 and 80s were not about protecting the working man they were about power and greed.

Spin forward to the Labour years 97-2010 and they allow unrestricted immigration with huge numbers of unskilled immigrants flooding the unskilled labour markets. This surplus of labour drives down the wages of British unskilled workers and they are driven to welfare.

Not a peep from the unions.

People like you dont get it because you are a bigot. The working class don't trust the Tories because they are Tories. We know what they are.

Labour and the socialists though they speak with forked tongue. They say they are for the working man but look what they have done for the British working class. Driven them to welfare.

So, they are much worse than tories.......and I hate them for their betrayal. As a working class man I will happily dance on their graves.
Your wonderful Tory party are followed only by the idle rich and the ignorant poor.Which are you?
We only respond to questions from people residing in the UK

gaz scott says...
11:23pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
Auld School wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man. She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day. Where can I get one of these shirts?
Nice try. The unions in the 70 and 80s were not about protecting the working man they were about power and greed.

Spin forward to the Labour years 97-2010 and they allow unrestricted immigration with huge numbers of unskilled immigrants flooding the unskilled labour markets. This surplus of labour drives down the wages of British unskilled workers and they are driven to welfare.

Not a peep from the unions.

People like you dont get it because you are a bigot. The working class don't trust the Tories because they are Tories. We know what they are.

Labour and the socialists though they speak with forked tongue. They say they are for the working man but look what they have done for the British working class. Driven them to welfare.

So, they are much worse than tories.......and I hate them for their betrayal. As a working class man I will happily dance on their graves.
Your wonderful Tory party are followed only by the idle rich and the ignorant poor.Which are you?
We only respond to questions from people residing in the UK
Some people can't see much beyond their own backyard.

Barry1812 says...
7:42pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Thatcher,Blair and now Cameron. Waste of space the lot of em.

Somethingsarejustwrong says...
8:06pm Mon 17 Sep 12

gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
hubby wrote:
Auld School wrote:
hubby wrote:
An evil woman who sold her country down the river.Britain has never recovered from her wicked dismantling of unions that were put in place to protect the working man. She created the use of the welfare state in place of an honest days work and created an underclass in the UK that remains to this day. Where can I get one of these shirts?
Nice try. The unions in the 70 and 80s were not about protecting the working man they were about power and greed.

Spin forward to the Labour years 97-2010 and they allow unrestricted immigration with huge numbers of unskilled immigrants flooding the unskilled labour markets. This surplus of labour drives down the wages of British unskilled workers and they are driven to welfare.

Not a peep from the unions.

People like you dont get it because you are a bigot. The working class don't trust the Tories because they are Tories. We know what they are.

Labour and the socialists though they speak with forked tongue. They say they are for the working man but look what they have done for the British working class. Driven them to welfare.

So, they are much worse than tories.......and I hate them for their betrayal. As a working class man I will happily dance on their graves.
Your wonderful Tory party are followed only by the idle rich and the ignorant poor.Which are you?
We only respond to questions from people residing in the UK
Some people can't see much beyond their own backyard.
Some people appear to only offer up criticism of others without having anything of value to share themselves. Can you explain to us all why you are like this?

Idontbelieveit1948 says...
8:36pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Getting back to the original story I think it tells us an awful lot about the TUC as an organisation and why Margaret Thatcher was quite right to take them on. Back then you had little dictators like Scargill trying to ruin the country, now its the champagne socialists like Crow having a go. None of them are interested in their members only themselves and what they can get.

As for why we are where we are ask prudence Brown and liar Blair a right pair of muppets if ever there was

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