The Big Interview: Mike Weatherley (From The Argus)
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The Big Interview: Hove MP Mike Weatherley
7:00am Sunday 16th September 2012 in News By Emily Walker, Chief Reporter
Every week The Argus will be grilling someone who has appeared in the news in our Big Interview feature.
This week we asked Hove MP Mike Weatherley about the new squatting law which he helped introduce and whether he feared criminalising squatters would add to the city's homelessness crisis.
The Argus: How did the new squatting law come about?
Mike Weatherley: The squatting situation first came to my attention following a story featured in The Argus. I contacted the landlords association about the issue and they said I should see the damage squatters can do. They put me in touch with various people who had been affected. The more I looked into it the more I found it to a problem in Brighton and Hove. I was approached by various people who said 'please help'. But no one seemed to be doing anything about the problem.
TA: Is the law really needed?
MW: The law as it was before meant that if someone went into your house you could ask them to leave and if they didn't then under the law they were committing an offence. But in two years the police never once entered a property without a court order. That could take anything from 12 hours to six weeks. In the case of one lady who died going through probate it took 13 weeks getting the squatters out. Now the law says that if someone is in your house and it is a residential property they know that they can be removed or arrested.
Mike Weatherley
I don't think anyone would want to encourage squatters or any vulnerable people living in derelict buildings.
It's a victory for common sense. No one could sensibly argue that someone's residential property should be taken by others.
TA: What about claims homeless people are making use of otherwise empty buildings?
MW: I don't think anyone would want to encourage squatters or any vulnerable people living in derelict buildings.
If homeless charities are encouraging people to enter properties then they are putting them at risk. Very few charities do advocate that. Of course I have concerns about the levels of homeless people in the city. In a caring society we should be helping vulnerable people. But many people squatting are more affluent or doing it for political motives.
By moving in to empty council properties they cause damage and move people who need these properties further down the list. The council has a refurbishment programme and squatting can disrupt that process. The council and government already have power to make use of empty properties. If a property has been left empty for a number of years we should be increasing rates or forcing them to bring it back into use.
TA: Will the new law just make squatters criminals and waste police resources?
MW: People say it is using up police resources, but the idea is the new law will stop people doing it. If people stop squatting because of the law then it won't take up any more police time.
A lot of council, court and police time was wasted seeking eviction orders for squatters under the old system. I don't want to see any squatters in jail. I want them to stop squatting.
TA: When the new law was put to the test for the first time last week, squatters occupied both a residential property and a shop - not covered by the new rules. Did they demonstrate the flaws in the new law?
MW: By squatting both a commercial and residential parts of the building all they have done is highlighted the fact that the law needs to be extended. They have done our job of advertising the issue for us.
TA: What sort of response can we expect from the police to reports of squatting?
MW: In London we have had squats reported that the police didn't have the resources to get to because of the Olympics . Hopefully now the Olympics are over they will have the resources to deal with them. If someone sees a squat they should report it immediately to the police using the 101 number. It's not a 999 emergency - but it is something the police should act on.
I was glad to see them act quickly on the situation in London Road.
What do you think about the new squatting law?
Tell us by writing to our letters page or emailing letters@theargus.co.uk
Comments(18)
censored
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10:16am Sun 16 Sep 12
Fercri Sakes
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10:41am Sun 16 Sep 12
SomethingsarejustwroThere's some interesting philosophies eminating from Germany around the 1920's that might help you begin to eradicate people you don't like from your community with public support.
ng wrote:
How refreshing to see the legislation now in place.
Next we need to tackle the growing problem of the homeless street drinkers and work on eradicating them completely from B&H. Thoughts on appropriate legislation to achieve this appreciated?
Somethingsarejustwrong
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11:06am Sun 16 Sep 12
Fercri Sakes wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of those people who are happy with wasting money on people who don't contribute and create nuisance, taking them into their own homes to provide direct support.
SomethingsarejustwroThere's some interesting philosophies eminating from Germany around the 1920's that might help you begin to eradicate people you don't like from your community with public support.
ng wrote:
How refreshing to see the legislation now in place.
Next we need to tackle the growing problem of the homeless street drinkers and work on eradicating them completely from B&H. Thoughts on appropriate legislation to achieve this appreciated?
In the unlikely event of this support not being forthcoming (I know a lot of posters on here are very keen to defend the current position so I would hope they will step in to provide support, rather than just contributing their words) then legislation would be required to eradicate the problem. This might be as simple as only allowing benefits to be claimed and paid in their last place of permanent residence - perhaps based on 36 months or longer to avoid manipulation?
gusset snatcher
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11:32am Sun 16 Sep 12
therat
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11:33am Sun 16 Sep 12
leobrighton
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11:58am Sun 16 Sep 12
gusset snatcher wrote:Obviously wouldn't be interested in trying to introduce any anti prostitution laws then
It would be good to see him more involved in regulating the sex industry seeing as his wife of 7 years, Carla is a prostitute and was when married to him in 2010. Apparently she charges £70 an hour and I can tell you I wouldn't touch it if she paid me £70 an hour
wharrgarbl
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1:21pm Sun 16 Sep 12
"But many people squatting are more affluent or doing it for political motives." - and your support of a law change isn't political at all, is it Mike? How about you step outside and realise that if people have nowhere to live then they're probably going to sleep inside an empty building. Most squatters don't use residential properties (even though there are empty ones) and there isn't a huge amount of 'lifestyle' squatters these days - many of them genuinely don't have anywhere else to live.
Stop moaning about something that doesn't affect you and do your bloody job you cretin.
Lady Smith
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4:51pm Sun 16 Sep 12
therat wrote:1) He is an MP, not a local councillor, therefore has no jurisdiction over the political make-up of the council - thank God...
MIKE NOW GET THE GREEN'S OUT ! ! !
2) It's 'Greens', not 'Green's' - if you are going to attack a political party for no apparent reason a la the 'Daily Mail', at the very least, learn to punctuate correctly.
rolivan
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6:03pm Sun 16 Sep 12
wharrgarbl wrote:These people that have nowhere to live might think about the damage they cause, then some people might show a bit more sympathy towards them.
This man is so out of touch with reality.
"But many people squatting are more affluent or doing it for political motives." - and your support of a law change isn't political at all, is it Mike? How about you step outside and realise that if people have nowhere to live then they're probably going to sleep inside an empty building. Most squatters don't use residential properties (even though there are empty ones) and there isn't a huge amount of 'lifestyle' squatters these days - many of them genuinely don't have anywhere else to live.
Stop moaning about something that doesn't affect you and do your bloody job you cretin.
Sussex jim
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6:40pm Sun 16 Sep 12
wharrgarbl wrote:He is doing his job, as an MP, and he has done it rather well this time.
This man is so out of touch with reality.
"But many people squatting are more affluent or doing it for political motives." - and your support of a law change isn't political at all, is it Mike? How about you step outside and realise that if people have nowhere to live then they're probably going to sleep inside an empty building. Most squatters don't use residential properties (even though there are empty ones) and there isn't a huge amount of 'lifestyle' squatters these days - many of them genuinely don't have anywhere else to live.
Stop moaning about something that doesn't affect you and do your bloody job you cretin.
greenpaws
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7:10pm Sun 16 Sep 12
He talks about protecting the vulnerable at the same time as voting to cut benefits and housing support for the vulnerable driving them onto the streets. As we all need some sort of shelter at least, people will undoubtedly seek out empty properties which aren't being used and paying less rates than those used.
This is the definition of a hypocrite and a discompassionate nasty party Tory.
The Greens are building council houses and fighting back within the law.
Perhaps, until empty buildings are reused they could be supervised 'squats', allowing for a reduction in damage and anti-scoail problems, and support community cohesion and an understaning of the plight of those who cannot afford homes.
It's always easy for the greedy (MW and cronies) to attack those who don't follow a path of greed and who may be vulnerab;e as well.
I look forward to the day of no Tory political presence in B&H and a Green majority in BHCC.
Somethingsarejustwrong
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8:34pm Sun 16 Sep 12
SomethingsarejustwroFor Greenpaws benefit
ng wrote:
Fercri Sakes wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of those people who are happy with wasting money on people who don't contribute and create nuisance, taking them into their own homes to provide direct support.
SomethingsarejustwroThere's some interesting philosophies eminating from Germany around the 1920's that might help you begin to eradicate people you don't like from your community with public support.
ng wrote:
How refreshing to see the legislation now in place.
Next we need to tackle the growing problem of the homeless street drinkers and work on eradicating them completely from B&H. Thoughts on appropriate legislation to achieve this appreciated?
In the unlikely event of this support not being forthcoming (I know a lot of posters on here are very keen to defend the current position so I would hope they will step in to provide support, rather than just contributing their words) then legislation would be required to eradicate the problem. This might be as simple as only allowing benefits to be claimed and paid in their last place of permanent residence - perhaps based on 36 months or longer to avoid manipulation?
greenpaws
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10:38pm Sun 16 Sep 12
Governments can never understand the problems of millions of unique situations of suffering, squalor, neglect and social breakdown.
Yes, people need support, but this law should not have made it on to the statute books, as housing, taxes on properties and support could have easily dealt with this situation.
Otherwise, what we're saying is landlords don't just own properties, they own communities.
gaz scott
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11:36pm Sun 16 Sep 12
F in L
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12:09am Mon 17 Sep 12
gusset snatcher
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11:31am Mon 17 Sep 12
Mark63
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12:42pm Mon 17 Sep 12
Somethingsarejustwrong says...
10:14am Sun 16 Sep 12
Next we need to tackle the growing problem of the homeless street drinkers and work on eradicating them completely from B&H. Thoughts on appropriate legislation to achieve this appreciated?