Green councillor's expulsion could lead to Brighton council shake-up

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The expulsion of a Christian councillor could lead to a major shake-up in the running of a council.

Christina Summers was officially kicked out of the Green group on Brighton and Hove City Council in a behind closed doors meeting last night.

It comes after the an internal party inquiry into her decision to vote against supporting same-sex marriage in a town hall debate earlier this year.

It means the political makeup of the local authority is currently 22 Greens, 18 Conservatives, 12 Labour, one independent and one vacant post.

Opposition councillors are now seeking to see if the decision, which sees Coun Summers become an independent councillor, will mean the Greens lose their casting vote on four of the seven main council committees.

It could even affect the powerful Policy and Resources Committee.

Conservative group leader Geoffrey Theobald said: “Rather than wasting all their time on internal squabbling, the Greens should be getting on with running this city."

Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “We are very concerned about the conduct of the Green Administration.

“As a responsible opposition we felt that it was right to give them the opportunity to run the council but a series of events has now proved that they are not capable.”

Coun Mitchell added: "Our sole aim is to protect services for city residents from the Government’s cuts programme and the Green Party’s misguided priorities that spend extra on their own pet Green projects while cutting the very basic services relied on by the majority.

"If there are councillors who prefer this more sensible approach then they should work with us."

The inquiry was established when 15 members of the Green group, which is not whipped meaning councillors can freely vote on any issues, wrote to the local party asking for it to look into Coun Summers’ actions.

It ruled her decision to speak and vote against equal marriage did not “constitute sufficient grounds” for disciplinary action against her.

However, the panel’s results, which have been seen by The Argus, claim the decision was taken on the grounds of her wider behaviour, which included her taking part in public anti-abortion vigils outside Wistons clinic in Dyke Road, Brighton.

A spokesman confirmed a letter signed by a majority of the Green councillors will be handed to the council’s chief executive today enacting Coun Summers’ removal.

Speaking on behalf of the Brighton & Hove Green Party, executive member Rob Shepherd said: "A majority of Green Councillors confirmed the removal of Councillor Summers from the Green Group of Councillors and so from today she will sit as an independent councillor, though she will remain a member of Brighton and Hove Green Party.

"This follows last week’s presentation of a report by the Inquiry Panel convened for the purpose.

"Coun Summers will have a right to appeal through the party’s processes but we do not yet know whether she will take up that right, nor do we know whether she will wish to remain an independent councillor. That is up to her.”

The decision to expel her from the Green group does not affect her membership of the Green party.

She has until September 21 to appeal against the ruling to the national party.

- Don’t miss Adam Trimingham in The Argus tomorrow for his view on Coun Summers.

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7:55am Tue 18 Sep 12

george smith says...

It appears that the majority of the city did not for the greens, it would be good if labour and the tories could work together for the good of the city. They tried doing the honourable thing and it hasn't worked.
It appears that the majority of the city did not for the greens, it would be good if labour and the tories could work together for the good of the city. They tried doing the honourable thing and it hasn't worked. george smith
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7:55am Tue 18 Sep 12

fred clause says...

Good hopefully this is the beginning of the end for the green numpty's worst council we have ever had and thats saying something.
Good hopefully this is the beginning of the end for the green numpty's worst council we have ever had and thats saying something. fred clause
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8:53am Tue 18 Sep 12

Trollybus says...

The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.
The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles. Trollybus
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9:23am Tue 18 Sep 12

Fight_Back says...

Trollybus wrote:
The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.
Rubbish - politics shouldn't be in local government. It's been a long time since I've seen such a political game playing party in charge of Brighton and Hove Council and Greens have shown themselves incapable. Consensus politics is required at local level not confrontational politics. This is clearly something Jason Kitcat can't get his head round.

I know Labour and Conservative councillors read these threads so here's a heart felt plea - for the good of the city - please put aside your political differences, get in a room and thrash out an agreement to work together. If the Tories and Lib Dems can do it on a national level it doesn't seem beyond the wit of man ( or woman ) to do it at local level. So Cllrs Barnett, Morgan, Theobald and Mitchell - the gauntlet is down, let's see if you really have the interests of this city at heart remembering between the two of your parties you gained a vast majority of the votes in the city.
[quote][p][bold]Trollybus[/bold] wrote: The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.[/p][/quote]Rubbish - politics shouldn't be in local government. It's been a long time since I've seen such a political game playing party in charge of Brighton and Hove Council and Greens have shown themselves incapable. Consensus politics is required at local level not confrontational politics. This is clearly something Jason Kitcat can't get his head round. I know Labour and Conservative councillors read these threads so here's a heart felt plea - for the good of the city - please put aside your political differences, get in a room and thrash out an agreement to work together. If the Tories and Lib Dems can do it on a national level it doesn't seem beyond the wit of man ( or woman ) to do it at local level. So Cllrs Barnett, Morgan, Theobald and Mitchell - the gauntlet is down, let's see if you really have the interests of this city at heart remembering between the two of your parties you gained a vast majority of the votes in the city. Fight_Back
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9:30am Tue 18 Sep 12

championshipgull says...

So the greens didn’t expel Cllr Summers because, it turns out same sex-marriage is not a human right and not a equal right( According to The European Convention on Human Rights) and councillor Summers was correct all along. So they expel her for wanting to lower the 21 week abortion law to give unborn children a right to life, which is supported by many politicians in all the major parties. Cllr Summers must have a good case for the greens discriminating against Christians.
So the greens didn’t expel Cllr Summers because, it turns out same sex-marriage is not a human right and not a equal right( According to The European Convention on Human Rights) and councillor Summers was correct all along. So they expel her for wanting to lower the 21 week abortion law to give unborn children a right to life, which is supported by many politicians in all the major parties. Cllr Summers must have a good case for the greens discriminating against Christians. championshipgull
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10:24am Tue 18 Sep 12

clever harry says...

Good to see Torys and Labour join up to kick out the greens - lets have some common sense round here! This used to be a great town but the greens have ruined it.
Good to see Torys and Labour join up to kick out the greens - lets have some common sense round here! This used to be a great town but the greens have ruined it. clever harry
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10:38am Tue 18 Sep 12

Martha Gunn says...

And still not a word of explanation from the Green Party. There now needs to be two urgent enquiries.
First the national Green Party needs to look into the conduct of its local councillors which has been astonishing to say the least. Green Party supporters came in their droves from all over the country to get Lucas and her Council elected. Now they have imploded these hard-working supporters deserve an explanation.
Second there needs to be an official local investigation (Do we still have a Chief Executive?) into the behaviour of the Green Party on BHCC and an urgent enquiry into whether it can continue to run the Council. Surely there are serious questions to be asked about the competence of this very strange group of people?
And still not a word of explanation from the Green Party. There now needs to be two urgent enquiries. First the national Green Party needs to look into the conduct of its local councillors which has been astonishing to say the least. Green Party supporters came in their droves from all over the country to get Lucas and her Council elected. Now they have imploded these hard-working supporters deserve an explanation. Second there needs to be an official local investigation (Do we still have a Chief Executive?) into the behaviour of the Green Party on BHCC and an urgent enquiry into whether it can continue to run the Council. Surely there are serious questions to be asked about the competence of this very strange group of people? Martha Gunn
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11:19am Tue 18 Sep 12

bug eye says...

hopefully this will see the end of the policy that discriminates against young people who wish to houseshare in 5 wards only across Brighton that will see rent increases and less supply due to a £1000 license fee and over the top legislation. the policy has been condemned by all landlord associations, as it will not solve any anti social issues. how can the Greens justify such discrimination. I hope the opposition parties will take this opportunity to take control and overturn such idiotic policies. dont get me started on parking or litter....
hopefully this will see the end of the policy that discriminates against young people who wish to houseshare in 5 wards only across Brighton that will see rent increases and less supply due to a £1000 license fee and over the top legislation. the policy has been condemned by all landlord associations, as it will not solve any anti social issues. how can the Greens justify such discrimination. I hope the opposition parties will take this opportunity to take control and overturn such idiotic policies. dont get me started on parking or litter.... bug eye
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11:58am Tue 18 Sep 12

keswick says...

clever harry wrote:
Good to see Torys and Labour join up to kick out the greens - lets have some common sense round here! This used to be a great town but the greens have ruined it.
Exactly. The Green Party have embarked on a policy of imposing their own narrow beliefs on a city regardless of the impact on its residents and businesses. Their war on the motorist symbolises their arrogance. If they both mean what they say the two parties need to come together and work together for the good of the city until the next election at least.
[quote][p][bold]clever harry[/bold] wrote: Good to see Torys and Labour join up to kick out the greens - lets have some common sense round here! This used to be a great town but the greens have ruined it.[/p][/quote]Exactly. The Green Party have embarked on a policy of imposing their own narrow beliefs on a city regardless of the impact on its residents and businesses. Their war on the motorist symbolises their arrogance. If they both mean what they say the two parties need to come together and work together for the good of the city until the next election at least. keswick
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12:17pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Andy R says...

I suppose it would be appropriate if the two parties who BOTH believe that ordinary people should pay for the crisis of the financial institutions should work together, given that there's barely a cigarette paper between them on most policy issues.

Reading the LabTory manufactured outrage you could easily get the idea that neither party has any rules, any disciplinary procedures, and that any elected member can do exactly what they like.......
I suppose it would be appropriate if the two parties who BOTH believe that ordinary people should pay for the crisis of the financial institutions should work together, given that there's barely a cigarette paper between them on most policy issues. Reading the LabTory manufactured outrage you could easily get the idea that neither party has any rules, any disciplinary procedures, and that any elected member can do exactly what they like....... Andy R
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12:47pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Dirk Von Roden says...

Well even though I do "NOT" agree with miss Summers on the same sex marriage stance ! I Appluad her for standing up to her beliefs !! She has proven her Honour! to stand up for what she believes in !!perhaps now the Green Voters will see what a sham the greens are! even though I am a Christian of sorts Idont think same sex marriages harm anyone !
Well even though I do "NOT" agree with miss Summers on the same sex marriage stance ! I Appluad her for standing up to her beliefs !! She has proven her Honour! to stand up for what she believes in !!perhaps now the Green Voters will see what a sham the greens are! even though I am a Christian of sorts Idont think same sex marriages harm anyone ! Dirk Von Roden
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1:14pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Valerie Paynter says...

Trollybus wrote:
The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.
You are either misinformed or posting black propaganda: which is it?

There are dozens of issues in every political party on which it takes a position.

The panel did not support the charge they were set up to investigate. She signed up to an equalities pledge, not a gay marriage pledge. And their was no mention of gay marriage in any of their pledges.

Do you imagine that abortion and gay rights are what the Green Party are pushing as "core principles"? Is that what running Brighton and Hove services is about?

Once upon a time the Green Party was about the environment. Now they are about gay rights and abortion. Is that what you are saying are their core principles now?

Personally I see them sidelining core principles in favour of lobby group issues. They don't have a single word to say, for instance, about non-recyclable UPVC windows which they should be having a policy position on. Room sizes in developments were addressed by the Conservatives for council housing in the last Administration to some small extent. Not by the Greens.

Oh, no. Instead a scrutiny panel is set up to look into LGBT issues, the City Plan will have an LGBT housing provision section (but not one for the elderly), etc. etc. etc.

Tell me what your list of "core principles" beyond gay marriage and abortion includes would you, Trolleybus? I'm interested to know.
[quote][p][bold]Trollybus[/bold] wrote: The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.[/p][/quote]You are either misinformed or posting black propaganda: which is it? There are dozens of issues in every political party on which it takes a position. The panel did not support the charge they were set up to investigate. She signed up to an equalities pledge, not a gay marriage pledge. And their was no mention of gay marriage in any of their pledges. Do you imagine that abortion and gay rights are what the Green Party are pushing as "core principles"? Is that what running Brighton and Hove services is about? Once upon a time the Green Party was about the environment. Now they are about gay rights and abortion. Is that what you are saying are their core principles now? Personally I see them sidelining core principles in favour of lobby group issues. They don't have a single word to say, for instance, about non-recyclable UPVC windows which they should be having a policy position on. Room sizes in developments were addressed by the Conservatives for council housing in the last Administration to some small extent. Not by the Greens. Oh, no. Instead a scrutiny panel is set up to look into LGBT issues, the City Plan will have an LGBT housing provision section (but not one for the elderly), etc. etc. etc. Tell me what your list of "core principles" beyond gay marriage and abortion includes would you, Trolleybus? I'm interested to know. Valerie Paynter
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1:22pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Valerie Paynter says...

clever harry wrote:
Good to see Torys and Labour join up to kick out the greens - lets have some common sense round here! This used to be a great town but the greens have ruined it.
You are making a very silly bandwagon comment here that cuts no ice whatsoever.

If you are so clever, Harry, kindly elaborate on precisely how this "used to be a great town" (and when) and spell out exactly how "the Greens have ruined it". They haven't had time to ruin diddlysquat - too busy self-destructing at the organised Party level and putting side issues front and centre!
[quote][p][bold]clever harry[/bold] wrote: Good to see Torys and Labour join up to kick out the greens - lets have some common sense round here! This used to be a great town but the greens have ruined it.[/p][/quote]You are making a very silly bandwagon comment here that cuts no ice whatsoever. If you are so clever, Harry, kindly elaborate on precisely how this "used to be a great town" (and when) and spell out exactly how "the Greens have ruined it". They haven't had time to ruin diddlysquat - too busy self-destructing at the organised Party level and putting side issues front and centre! Valerie Paynter
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1:28pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Valerie Paynter says...

bug eye wrote:
hopefully this will see the end of the policy that discriminates against young people who wish to houseshare in 5 wards only across Brighton that will see rent increases and less supply due to a £1000 license fee and over the top legislation. the policy has been condemned by all landlord associations, as it will not solve any anti social issues. how can the Greens justify such discrimination. I hope the opposition parties will take this opportunity to take control and overturn such idiotic policies. dont get me started on parking or litter....
This policy has cross-party support and would have been implemented whoever was in power.

It is required for more than antisocial reasons and the student ghetto-isation issue is one of them. Loss of family housing to students has become a major and very serious problem making family housing more and more expensive as it becomes increasingly scarce or simply insufficiently supplied.

I personally believe the universities have been overtrading and taking on too many students for the city to accommodate without damaging other kinds of housing need.
[quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: hopefully this will see the end of the policy that discriminates against young people who wish to houseshare in 5 wards only across Brighton that will see rent increases and less supply due to a £1000 license fee and over the top legislation. the policy has been condemned by all landlord associations, as it will not solve any anti social issues. how can the Greens justify such discrimination. I hope the opposition parties will take this opportunity to take control and overturn such idiotic policies. dont get me started on parking or litter....[/p][/quote]This policy has cross-party support and would have been implemented whoever was in power. It is required for more than antisocial reasons and the student ghetto-isation issue is one of them. Loss of family housing to students has become a major and very serious problem making family housing more and more expensive as it becomes increasingly scarce or simply insufficiently supplied. I personally believe the universities have been overtrading and taking on too many students for the city to accommodate without damaging other kinds of housing need. Valerie Paynter
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1:41pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Lewesroadresident says...

clever harry wrote:
Good to see Torys and Labour join up to kick out the greens - lets have some common sense round here! This used to be a great town but the greens have ruined it.
To 'clever harry' and others; I'd really like you to answer a question.

What exactly have the Greens done that has ruined the city? I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me some specific examples, backed up with evidence.
E.g parking increases- I know everyone hates them, but does anyone have any evidence of their impact? Many thanks.
[quote][p][bold]clever harry[/bold] wrote: Good to see Torys and Labour join up to kick out the greens - lets have some common sense round here! This used to be a great town but the greens have ruined it.[/p][/quote]To 'clever harry' and others; I'd really like you to answer a question. What exactly have the Greens done that has ruined the city? I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me some specific examples, backed up with evidence. E.g parking increases- I know everyone hates them, but does anyone have any evidence of their impact? Many thanks. Lewesroadresident
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2:09pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Lady Smith says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Trollybus wrote:
The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.
Rubbish - politics shouldn't be in local government. It's been a long time since I've seen such a political game playing party in charge of Brighton and Hove Council and Greens have shown themselves incapable. Consensus politics is required at local level not confrontational politics. This is clearly something Jason Kitcat can't get his head round.

I know Labour and Conservative councillors read these threads so here's a heart felt plea - for the good of the city - please put aside your political differences, get in a room and thrash out an agreement to work together. If the Tories and Lib Dems can do it on a national level it doesn't seem beyond the wit of man ( or woman ) to do it at local level. So Cllrs Barnett, Morgan, Theobald and Mitchell - the gauntlet is down, let's see if you really have the interests of this city at heart remembering between the two of your parties you gained a vast majority of the votes in the city.
'Politics shouldn't be in local government'? Erm...I think you've missed a rather crucial point here i.e. councillors are local representatives of their national political parties. Politics101.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trollybus[/bold] wrote: The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.[/p][/quote]Rubbish - politics shouldn't be in local government. It's been a long time since I've seen such a political game playing party in charge of Brighton and Hove Council and Greens have shown themselves incapable. Consensus politics is required at local level not confrontational politics. This is clearly something Jason Kitcat can't get his head round. I know Labour and Conservative councillors read these threads so here's a heart felt plea - for the good of the city - please put aside your political differences, get in a room and thrash out an agreement to work together. If the Tories and Lib Dems can do it on a national level it doesn't seem beyond the wit of man ( or woman ) to do it at local level. So Cllrs Barnett, Morgan, Theobald and Mitchell - the gauntlet is down, let's see if you really have the interests of this city at heart remembering between the two of your parties you gained a vast majority of the votes in the city.[/p][/quote]'Politics shouldn't be in local government'? Erm...I think you've missed a rather crucial point here i.e. councillors are local representatives of their national political parties. Politics101. Lady Smith
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2:16pm Tue 18 Sep 12

pperrin says...

Ultimately, ALL of a landlords costs are paid for by their tennents, students have it tough enough already.

UKIP support youth because they are our future - as well as supporting free tuition, a UKIP administration would certainly not have dumped additional costs on student housholds.

The £1000 licence fee is typical of liblabcon and green - instead of addresing a problem, they seek to profit from it...
Ultimately, ALL of a landlords costs are paid for by their tennents, students have it tough enough already. UKIP support youth because they are our future - as well as supporting free tuition, a UKIP administration would certainly not have dumped additional costs on student housholds. The £1000 licence fee is typical of liblabcon and green - instead of addresing a problem, they seek to profit from it... pperrin
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2:59pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Fight_Back says...

Lady Smith wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Trollybus wrote:
The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.
Rubbish - politics shouldn't be in local government. It's been a long time since I've seen such a political game playing party in charge of Brighton and Hove Council and Greens have shown themselves incapable. Consensus politics is required at local level not confrontational politics. This is clearly something Jason Kitcat can't get his head round.

I know Labour and Conservative councillors read these threads so here's a heart felt plea - for the good of the city - please put aside your political differences, get in a room and thrash out an agreement to work together. If the Tories and Lib Dems can do it on a national level it doesn't seem beyond the wit of man ( or woman ) to do it at local level. So Cllrs Barnett, Morgan, Theobald and Mitchell - the gauntlet is down, let's see if you really have the interests of this city at heart remembering between the two of your parties you gained a vast majority of the votes in the city.
'Politics shouldn't be in local government'? Erm...I think you've missed a rather crucial point here i.e. councillors are local representatives of their national political parties. Politics101.
Ermm .... no I haven't. That's why I'm suggesting politics should be removed from local government. That means independent councillors only.
[quote][p][bold]Lady Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trollybus[/bold] wrote: The majority of the the country didn't vote Tory either, but it's what we got! And to suggest the Tories and Labour should work together is a disgrace! They should be ideologically opposed, it's a sad reflection of the position we find ourselves in that they aLready have worked together in their petty attempt to undermine the Green Party.... Not to work for the good of the City. I'm glad Summers is being expelled. How can voters stand behind a party based on its manefesto with a councillor voting against the parties core principles.[/p][/quote]Rubbish - politics shouldn't be in local government. It's been a long time since I've seen such a political game playing party in charge of Brighton and Hove Council and Greens have shown themselves incapable. Consensus politics is required at local level not confrontational politics. This is clearly something Jason Kitcat can't get his head round. I know Labour and Conservative councillors read these threads so here's a heart felt plea - for the good of the city - please put aside your political differences, get in a room and thrash out an agreement to work together. If the Tories and Lib Dems can do it on a national level it doesn't seem beyond the wit of man ( or woman ) to do it at local level. So Cllrs Barnett, Morgan, Theobald and Mitchell - the gauntlet is down, let's see if you really have the interests of this city at heart remembering between the two of your parties you gained a vast majority of the votes in the city.[/p][/quote]'Politics shouldn't be in local government'? Erm...I think you've missed a rather crucial point here i.e. councillors are local representatives of their national political parties. Politics101.[/p][/quote]Ermm .... no I haven't. That's why I'm suggesting politics should be removed from local government. That means independent councillors only. Fight_Back
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3:32pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Andy R says...

How would this "remove politics from local government"? What will you call for next? The removal of sin from everyday life?
How would this "remove politics from local government"? What will you call for next? The removal of sin from everyday life? Andy R
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3:41pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Lady Smith says...

Andy R wrote:
How would this "remove politics from local government"? What will you call for next? The removal of sin from everyday life?
And I do wonder just who these so-called 'independent' councillors would be? People without any agendas or any sort or vested business interests, perchance..? Yes, of course, that's how it would work...not...
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: How would this "remove politics from local government"? What will you call for next? The removal of sin from everyday life?[/p][/quote]And I do wonder just who these so-called 'independent' councillors would be? People without any agendas or any sort or vested business interests, perchance..? Yes, of course, that's how it would work...not... Lady Smith
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4:20pm Tue 18 Sep 12

The Baron Pepperpot says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Don't worry, they are finished in this town. There is another big one on the horizon that will really show what Jason and the astronauts have been up to. Resignations and arrests to follow.
Further to, if you are saying that complaints have been made to the police, then that can be checked. If not please retract your public statement, which can be accepted as an egotistical desire to cause sensation, or you may be in breach of the law yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Don't worry, they are finished in this town. There is another big one on the horizon that will really show what Jason and the astronauts have been up to. Resignations and arrests to follow.[/p][/quote]Further to, if you are saying that complaints have been made to the police, then that can be checked. If not please retract your public statement, which can be accepted as an egotistical desire to cause sensation, or you may be in breach of the law yourself. The Baron Pepperpot
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4:29pm Tue 18 Sep 12

The Baron Pepperpot says...

A simple solution here, if Labour and the Tories are really that concerned about the Greens and the city, is for them to form an alliance and request the administration to resign.

If this doesn't happen we can only assume that things are not as bad as we are led to believe, or both opposition parties would rather leave the poisonous chalice to the incumbents

If Labour claim they are wanting to protect the residents from the government cuts they should tell us what THEY would do, which despite requests to their councillors, they have never shown us.
A simple solution here, if Labour and the Tories are really that concerned about the Greens and the city, is for them to form an alliance and request the administration to resign. If this doesn't happen we can only assume that things are not as bad as we are led to believe, or both opposition parties would rather leave the poisonous chalice to the incumbents If Labour claim they are wanting to protect the residents from the government cuts they should tell us what THEY would do, which despite requests to their councillors, they have never shown us. The Baron Pepperpot
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5:04pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Fight_Back says...

Lady Smith wrote:
Andy R wrote:
How would this "remove politics from local government"? What will you call for next? The removal of sin from everyday life?
And I do wonder just who these so-called 'independent' councillors would be? People without any agendas or any sort or vested business interests, perchance..? Yes, of course, that's how it would work...not...
Good grief - councils already have some councillors not connected to any political party - I'm suggesting this is made the norm.
[quote][p][bold]Lady Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: How would this "remove politics from local government"? What will you call for next? The removal of sin from everyday life?[/p][/quote]And I do wonder just who these so-called 'independent' councillors would be? People without any agendas or any sort or vested business interests, perchance..? Yes, of course, that's how it would work...not...[/p][/quote]Good grief - councils already have some councillors not connected to any political party - I'm suggesting this is made the norm. Fight_Back
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5:07pm Tue 18 Sep 12

bug eye says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
bug eye wrote:
hopefully this will see the end of the policy that discriminates against young people who wish to houseshare in 5 wards only across Brighton that will see rent increases and less supply due to a £1000 license fee and over the top legislation. the policy has been condemned by all landlord associations, as it will not solve any anti social issues. how can the Greens justify such discrimination. I hope the opposition parties will take this opportunity to take control and overturn such idiotic policies. dont get me started on parking or litter....
This policy has cross-party support and would have been implemented whoever was in power.

It is required for more than antisocial reasons and the student ghetto-isation issue is one of them. Loss of family housing to students has become a major and very serious problem making family housing more and more expensive as it becomes increasingly scarce or simply insufficiently supplied.

I personally believe the universities have been overtrading and taking on too many students for the city to accommodate without damaging other kinds of housing need.
you are misguided valerie, and advocating discrimination, the policy does not have cross party support, and it does not affect just students, but all shared households. by removing students and shared households from 5 wards in east brighton, how will that free up family houses as they will just occupy family houses elsewhere. it is a stupid argument and a stupid policy. the council has powers to deal with anti social behaviour but choose not to, this will increase rents and disrupt the local economy that has set up around students. it will discourage landlords to let to families in order to keep the license and it will increase the prices of houses with the license and planning in place. apart from being discriminatory. usual badly thought out policy being rushed through against the advice of the experts.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: hopefully this will see the end of the policy that discriminates against young people who wish to houseshare in 5 wards only across Brighton that will see rent increases and less supply due to a £1000 license fee and over the top legislation. the policy has been condemned by all landlord associations, as it will not solve any anti social issues. how can the Greens justify such discrimination. I hope the opposition parties will take this opportunity to take control and overturn such idiotic policies. dont get me started on parking or litter....[/p][/quote]This policy has cross-party support and would have been implemented whoever was in power. It is required for more than antisocial reasons and the student ghetto-isation issue is one of them. Loss of family housing to students has become a major and very serious problem making family housing more and more expensive as it becomes increasingly scarce or simply insufficiently supplied. I personally believe the universities have been overtrading and taking on too many students for the city to accommodate without damaging other kinds of housing need.[/p][/quote]you are misguided valerie, and advocating discrimination, the policy does not have cross party support, and it does not affect just students, but all shared households. by removing students and shared households from 5 wards in east brighton, how will that free up family houses as they will just occupy family houses elsewhere. it is a stupid argument and a stupid policy. the council has powers to deal with anti social behaviour but choose not to, this will increase rents and disrupt the local economy that has set up around students. it will discourage landlords to let to families in order to keep the license and it will increase the prices of houses with the license and planning in place. apart from being discriminatory. usual badly thought out policy being rushed through against the advice of the experts. bug eye
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11:07pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Warren Morgan says...

A lot to pick up on here. Firstly working with the Tories. We haven't and won't do any deals with them (or the Greens), we didn't over the Budget and we won't seek any coalition with them - we have very different views about how local government runs.

Having said that we will take each issue and situation as it comes and try and find the best solutions for the city, and we will talk to other councillors in trying to do that .

Whilst we are party politicians we are also residents ourselves and represent all of the people, regardless of who they vote for - if anyone. Of course as these pages show, there are huge differences in opinion so no-one is going to be able to please all of the people all of the time. The same would go for a council of individual independents or groups of independents (like resident association cllrs elsewhere).

As far as "what would you do" then there are three points of reference on that. Firstly our manifesto from last year, secondly the material that is up on our website www.brightonhovelabo
ur.com, and thirdly there is the consultation we will be undertaking with our members, residents and others (for example voluntary sector organisations) over the coming 18 months/2 years on our next manifesto. Personally I am looking at co-operative council ideas such as those being tried by Lambeth. Like in government though, a policy that might be workable now may not fit the situation in three years time, so we are not going to set things in stone too early. That might sound evasive, but if a week is a long time in politics then you have to be able to adapt to fit the circumstances.
A lot to pick up on here. Firstly working with the Tories. We haven't and won't do any deals with them (or the Greens), we didn't over the Budget and we won't seek any coalition with them - we have very different views about how local government runs. Having said that we will take each issue and situation as it comes and try and find the best solutions for the city, and we will talk to other councillors in trying to do that . Whilst we are party politicians we are also residents ourselves and represent all of the people, regardless of who they vote for - if anyone. Of course as these pages show, there are huge differences in opinion so no-one is going to be able to please all of the people all of the time. The same would go for a council of individual independents or groups of independents (like resident association cllrs elsewhere). As far as "what would you do" then there are three points of reference on that. Firstly our manifesto from last year, secondly the material that is up on our website www.brightonhovelabo ur.com, and thirdly there is the consultation we will be undertaking with our members, residents and others (for example voluntary sector organisations) over the coming 18 months/2 years on our next manifesto. Personally I am looking at co-operative council ideas such as those being tried by Lambeth. Like in government though, a policy that might be workable now may not fit the situation in three years time, so we are not going to set things in stone too early. That might sound evasive, but if a week is a long time in politics then you have to be able to adapt to fit the circumstances. Warren Morgan
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11:36pm Tue 18 Sep 12

The Baron Pepperpot says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
A lot to pick up on here. Firstly working with the Tories. We haven't and won't do any deals with them (or the Greens), we didn't over the Budget and we won't seek any coalition with them - we have very different views about how local government runs.

Having said that we will take each issue and situation as it comes and try and find the best solutions for the city, and we will talk to other councillors in trying to do that .

Whilst we are party politicians we are also residents ourselves and represent all of the people, regardless of who they vote for - if anyone. Of course as these pages show, there are huge differences in opinion so no-one is going to be able to please all of the people all of the time. The same would go for a council of individual independents or groups of independents (like resident association cllrs elsewhere).

As far as "what would you do" then there are three points of reference on that. Firstly our manifesto from last year, secondly the material that is up on our website www.brightonhovelabo

ur.com, and thirdly there is the consultation we will be undertaking with our members, residents and others (for example voluntary sector organisations) over the coming 18 months/2 years on our next manifesto. Personally I am looking at co-operative council ideas such as those being tried by Lambeth. Like in government though, a policy that might be workable now may not fit the situation in three years time, so we are not going to set things in stone too early. That might sound evasive, but if a week is a long time in politics then you have to be able to adapt to fit the circumstances.
Firstly Warren, thank you for coming on and saying your piece, very few politicians do-although given the alarming percentage of rogue posts on here, and the laughing stock this board has become, perhaps it's not surprising.

I always said that last year was a good election to lose. Whatever the Green Party attempts to do it is damned, and it seems that given this tabloids thinly veiled hostility towards them, the party is even taking the blame for things that councillors aren't even responsible for.

The East Brighton by election is going to be a good barometer. Yes, Labour could field a tortoise and it would win, but it will be interesting to see how the population views the game locally.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: A lot to pick up on here. Firstly working with the Tories. We haven't and won't do any deals with them (or the Greens), we didn't over the Budget and we won't seek any coalition with them - we have very different views about how local government runs. Having said that we will take each issue and situation as it comes and try and find the best solutions for the city, and we will talk to other councillors in trying to do that . Whilst we are party politicians we are also residents ourselves and represent all of the people, regardless of who they vote for - if anyone. Of course as these pages show, there are huge differences in opinion so no-one is going to be able to please all of the people all of the time. The same would go for a council of individual independents or groups of independents (like resident association cllrs elsewhere). As far as "what would you do" then there are three points of reference on that. Firstly our manifesto from last year, secondly the material that is up on our website www.brightonhovelabo ur.com, and thirdly there is the consultation we will be undertaking with our members, residents and others (for example voluntary sector organisations) over the coming 18 months/2 years on our next manifesto. Personally I am looking at co-operative council ideas such as those being tried by Lambeth. Like in government though, a policy that might be workable now may not fit the situation in three years time, so we are not going to set things in stone too early. That might sound evasive, but if a week is a long time in politics then you have to be able to adapt to fit the circumstances.[/p][/quote]Firstly Warren, thank you for coming on and saying your piece, very few politicians do-although given the alarming percentage of rogue posts on here, and the laughing stock this board has become, perhaps it's not surprising. I always said that last year was a good election to lose. Whatever the Green Party attempts to do it is damned, and it seems that given this tabloids thinly veiled hostility towards them, the party is even taking the blame for things that councillors aren't even responsible for. The East Brighton by election is going to be a good barometer. Yes, Labour could field a tortoise and it would win, but it will be interesting to see how the population views the game locally. The Baron Pepperpot
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