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Revealed: the Green councillors who voted to expel Christina Summers

The 13 Green councillors who voted to expel a Christian politician for her stance on equal marriage have been revealed.

Christina Summers has been banned from sitting with her Green Party colleagues on Brighton and Hove City Coun- cil after voting against a proposal to lift the ban on same-sex marriage.

The Argus has now revealed the names of those Green councillors who signed a letter to the local authority’s chief executive requesting the removal.

Among the nine who did not sign it are current council leader Jason Kitcat , mayor Bill Randall , environment committee chairman Pete West and economic development and culture chairman Geoffrey Bowden.

Opposition councillors said they viewed the split as a “real concern”. But, in a statement, Rob Shepherd, a member of the Brighton and Hove Green Party executive, said: “We’ve publicly released the letter after speaking to those who signed it and after giving Coun Summers a reasonable time to have received and read it.

“It has also been made available on request to opposition party leaders.

“Clearly, not all Green councillors signed the letter, which was drawn up and signed out- side the meeting that made Coun Summers an independent councillor, but it would be wrong to speculate on the absence of any particular name: some councillors chose not to sign but others – who may have wished to sign – were simply unavailable at the time.

“Signing or not was a private choice for each councillor and this period has been difficult for all the Green councillors, whatever their final decision may have been.”

Coun Summers confirmed this week she would appeal the decision to the national party.

Conservative group leader Geoffrey Theobald described it as a “fundamental split”.

He said: “With the Greens now holding just 22 out of the 54 seats on the council it is no longer tenable for them to continue controlling key council committees and to push forward their pet schemes as though they were a majority administration.”

Labour group leader Gill Mitchell said: “Instead of focusing on internal splits and divides, the Greens should be concentrating on running services for the city.”

The signatories

  • Liz Wakefield
  • Rob Jarrett
  • Leo Littman
  • Phelim Mac Cafferty
  • Lizzie Deane
  • Sue Shanks
  • Christopher Hawtree
  • Ben Duncan
  • Sven Rufus
  • Mike Jones
  • Stephanie Powell
  • Amy Kennedy
  • Ruth Buckley

Those who did not sign

  • Matt Follett
  • Bill Randall
  • Geoffrey Bowden
  • Ian Davey
  • Ollie Sykes
  • Alex Phillips
  • Pete West
  • Jason Kitcat
  • Ania Kitcat

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11:52am Tue 25 Sep 12

NickBrt says...

isn't it about time we stopped having news of this shameful woman?
isn't it about time we stopped having news of this shameful woman? NickBrt
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12:01pm Tue 25 Sep 12

gusset snatcher says...

Surely, she must resign as voters voted her as a green, which she no longer is
Surely, she must resign as voters voted her as a green, which she no longer is gusset snatcher
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12:37pm Tue 25 Sep 12

F in L says...

Shame on you.......

Matt Follett
Bill Randall
Geoffrey Bowden
Ian Davey
Ollie Sykes
Alex Phillips
Pete West
Jason Kitcat
Ania Kitcat
Shame on you....... Matt Follett Bill Randall Geoffrey Bowden Ian Davey Ollie Sykes Alex Phillips Pete West Jason Kitcat Ania Kitcat F in L
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12:39pm Tue 25 Sep 12

john5001 says...

theres alot of anti Christian in brighton ? shame on you
theres alot of anti Christian in brighton ? shame on you john5001
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12:54pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.
How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck. Maxwell's Ghost
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1:23pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Point says...

As I look at those that signed, Phelim with his dodgy past in Southern Ireland, Militant Sue Shanks, not sure what she is for only what she is against.
Amy Kennedy who never attends anything since her illness. Ben the red Duncan whose remarks should have got sidelined as a loon years ago. And the others especially sven who was part of her ward. The others Unbelievable...At least we have got the list for polling day..
As I look at those that signed, Phelim with his dodgy past in Southern Ireland, Militant Sue Shanks, not sure what she is for only what she is against. Amy Kennedy who never attends anything since her illness. Ben the red Duncan whose remarks should have got sidelined as a loon years ago. And the others especially sven who was part of her ward. The others Unbelievable...At least we have got the list for polling day.. Point
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3:27pm Tue 25 Sep 12

metalrockchick says...

This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world.
This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world. metalrockchick
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7:07pm Tue 25 Sep 12

nocando says...

I wonder how different the outcome might've been were it a muslim green councillor sticking to her guns.
The whole episode stinks and the rest of us have to foot the bill for their lunch.
I wonder how different the outcome might've been were it a muslim green councillor sticking to her guns. The whole episode stinks and the rest of us have to foot the bill for their lunch. nocando
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7:07pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.
I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.[/p][/quote]I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking. Somethingsarejustwrong
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7:56pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

you are right, but who is Judas, doubting Thomas and Peter?
Putting the Greens' heads onto Da Vinci's Last Supper painting, would make a lovely installation for next year's Brighton Festival.
I shall get my oils out this evening.
you are right, but who is Judas, doubting Thomas and Peter? Putting the Greens' heads onto Da Vinci's Last Supper painting, would make a lovely installation for next year's Brighton Festival. I shall get my oils out this evening. Maxwell's Ghost
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7:59pm Tue 25 Sep 12

inadaptado says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.
I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking.
I'm curious. How exactly do you know that a group of middle-eastern men that may have never existed and in any case should have died 2000 years ago, and whose life is reported by four books that contradict each other, not only were talented (despite doing little more than following around another guy) but more so than a group of elected officials?

Oh, maybe you were making a joke. Well, it was terrible.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.[/p][/quote]I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking.[/p][/quote]I'm curious. How exactly do you know that a group of middle-eastern men that may have never existed and in any case should have died 2000 years ago, and whose life is reported by four books that contradict each other, not only were talented (despite doing little more than following around another guy) but more so than a group of elected officials? Oh, maybe you were making a joke. Well, it was terrible. inadaptado
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8:01pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Plantpot says...

metalrockchick wrote:
This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world.
Do you not feel that your denunciation of her beliefs is every bit as bigoted as you claim hers are?
[quote][p][bold]metalrockchick[/bold] wrote: This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world.[/p][/quote]Do you not feel that your denunciation of her beliefs is every bit as bigoted as you claim hers are? Plantpot
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12:59am Wed 26 Sep 12

General Dreedle says...

So come on then Jason. If your party believes in openess tell us who voted against Councillor Summers as opposed to who signed the letter. We are seeing more and more of Rob 'Alistair Campbell' Shepherd putting a spin on things recently whilst all Green Councilors remain quiet. Are you going the way of the other parties?
So come on then Jason. If your party believes in openess tell us who voted against Councillor Summers as opposed to who signed the letter. We are seeing more and more of Rob 'Alistair Campbell' Shepherd putting a spin on things recently whilst all Green Councilors remain quiet. Are you going the way of the other parties? General Dreedle
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6:18am Wed 26 Sep 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

inadaptado wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.
I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking.
I'm curious. How exactly do you know that a group of middle-eastern men that may have never existed and in any case should have died 2000 years ago, and whose life is reported by four books that contradict each other, not only were talented (despite doing little more than following around another guy) but more so than a group of elected officials?

Oh, maybe you were making a joke. Well, it was terrible.
Before making a comment, especially one as ridiculous as this, you should reflect on what you are intending to say and ensure that it makes sense.

Fail
[quote][p][bold]inadaptado[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.[/p][/quote]I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking.[/p][/quote]I'm curious. How exactly do you know that a group of middle-eastern men that may have never existed and in any case should have died 2000 years ago, and whose life is reported by four books that contradict each other, not only were talented (despite doing little more than following around another guy) but more so than a group of elected officials? Oh, maybe you were making a joke. Well, it was terrible.[/p][/quote]Before making a comment, especially one as ridiculous as this, you should reflect on what you are intending to say and ensure that it makes sense. Fail Somethingsarejustwrong
  • Score: 0

9:25am Wed 26 Sep 12

qm says...

The signatories

Liz Wakefield
Rob Jarrett
Leo Littman
Phelim Mac Cafferty
Lizzie Deane
Sue Shanks
Christopher Hawtree
Ben Duncan
Sven Rufus
Mike Jones
Stephanie Powell
Amy Kennedy
Ruth Buckley

Animal Farm!
Those who would be the fat pigs!
The signatories Liz Wakefield Rob Jarrett Leo Littman Phelim Mac Cafferty Lizzie Deane Sue Shanks Christopher Hawtree Ben Duncan Sven Rufus Mike Jones Stephanie Powell Amy Kennedy Ruth Buckley Animal Farm! Those who would be the fat pigs! qm
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11:02am Wed 26 Sep 12

metalrockchick says...

Plantpot wrote:
metalrockchick wrote: This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world.
Do you not feel that your denunciation of her beliefs is every bit as bigoted as you claim hers are?
As I already stated, she has a right to believe what she likes (as do I), the problem I have is that she lets these beliefs inform her political stance. Why is it bigoted to disagree with someone anyway? I am not saying she should be told what to think only that she should act according to the best interests of those living in B&H generally rather than for the interests of her particular religious group. If it makes you feel any better I am not fussy about which religion I disagree with, I think they are all wrong. Just a note though, as far as bigotry goes, dogma and superstition have caused far more harm than any secular power so far. People don't tend to kill or harm others in the name of disbelief and the non-religious don't usually try to force others to believe anything just because they do. If Councillor Summers wants to believe anything thats fine, I don't care what she believes even if it is incorrect or bad but I simply cannot agree that it is OK for her to use these beliefs to inform political decisions which could affect many unbeleiving people. Not everyone is a Christian and they absolutely should not be told what they can and cannot do by someone who is. Let her live according to her holy book and I hope she has a happy and fulfilling life but do not expect those with different beliefs to fall in with yours. That is tyrranny and we left that kind of thing behind a long time ago.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]metalrockchick[/bold] wrote: This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world.[/p][/quote]Do you not feel that your denunciation of her beliefs is every bit as bigoted as you claim hers are?[/p][/quote]As I already stated, she has a right to believe what she likes (as do I), the problem I have is that she lets these beliefs inform her political stance. Why is it bigoted to disagree with someone anyway? I am not saying she should be told what to think only that she should act according to the best interests of those living in B&H generally rather than for the interests of her particular religious group. If it makes you feel any better I am not fussy about which religion I disagree with, I think they are all wrong. Just a note though, as far as bigotry goes, dogma and superstition have caused far more harm than any secular power so far. People don't tend to kill or harm others in the name of disbelief and the non-religious don't usually try to force others to believe anything just because they do. If Councillor Summers wants to believe anything thats fine, I don't care what she believes even if it is incorrect or bad but I simply cannot agree that it is OK for her to use these beliefs to inform political decisions which could affect many unbeleiving people. Not everyone is a Christian and they absolutely should not be told what they can and cannot do by someone who is. Let her live according to her holy book and I hope she has a happy and fulfilling life but do not expect those with different beliefs to fall in with yours. That is tyrranny and we left that kind of thing behind a long time ago. metalrockchick
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