Revealed: the Green councillors who voted to expel Christina Summers (From The Argus)

isn't it about time we stopped having news of this shameful woman?

Surely, she must resign as voters voted her as a green, which she no longer is

Shame on you.......

Matt Follett
Bill Randall
Geoffrey Bowden
Ian Davey
Ollie Sykes
Alex Phillips
Pete West
Jason Kitcat
Ania Kitcat

theres alot of anti Christian in brighton ? shame on you

How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.

As I look at those that signed, Phelim with his dodgy past in Southern Ireland, Militant Sue Shanks, not sure what she is for only what she is against.
Amy Kennedy who never attends anything since her illness. Ben the red Duncan whose remarks should have got sidelined as a loon years ago. And the others especially sven who was part of her ward. The others Unbelievable...At least we have got the list for polling day..

This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world.

I wonder how different the outcome might've been were it a muslim green councillor sticking to her guns.
The whole episode stinks and the rest of us have to foot the bill for their lunch.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.

I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking.

you are right, but who is Judas, doubting Thomas and Peter?
Putting the Greens' heads onto Da Vinci's Last Supper painting, would make a lovely installation for next year's Brighton Festival.
I shall get my oils out this evening.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.

I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking.

I'm curious. How exactly do you know that a group of middle-eastern men that may have never existed and in any case should have died 2000 years ago, and whose life is reported by four books that contradict each other, not only were talented (despite doing little more than following around another guy) but more so than a group of elected officials?

Oh, maybe you were making a joke. Well, it was terrible.

metalrockchick wrote:
This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world.

Do you not feel that your denunciation of her beliefs is every bit as bigoted as you claim hers are?

So come on then Jason. If your party believes in openess tell us who voted against Councillor Summers as opposed to who signed the letter. We are seeing more and more of Rob 'Alistair Campbell' Shepherd putting a spin on things recently whilst all Green Councilors remain quiet. Are you going the way of the other parties?

inadaptado wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
How ironic, there were 13 at the Last Supper...hence the number 13 being associated with bad luck.

I think if you re-count you will find there were 14 here on a like for like basis and the real difference is that there were talented people at the biblical last supper, whereas here, based on the current gross mismanagement of our city, I would suggest that talent is completely lacking.

I'm curious. How exactly do you know that a group of middle-eastern men that may have never existed and in any case should have died 2000 years ago, and whose life is reported by four books that contradict each other, not only were talented (despite doing little more than following around another guy) but more so than a group of elected officials?

Oh, maybe you were making a joke. Well, it was terrible.

Before making a comment, especially one as ridiculous as this, you should reflect on what you are intending to say and ensure that it makes sense.

Fail

The signatories

Liz Wakefield
Rob Jarrett
Leo Littman
Phelim Mac Cafferty
Lizzie Deane
Sue Shanks
Christopher Hawtree
Ben Duncan
Sven Rufus
Mike Jones
Stephanie Powell
Amy Kennedy
Ruth Buckley

Animal Farm!
Those who would be the fat pigs!

Plantpot wrote:

metalrockchick wrote: This Councillor has every right to believe what she wants (even if this belief is based on bronze age mythology) but she should not have let it inform her political decisions. Her job is to do what is best for her community and not what she may think is best for her special interest group. I don't know exactly how she was treated and anyone who has abused her for her religion should be ashamed of themselves since it is the religion which is the problem not the person. She has a right to her views no matter how noxious but if she is unable to reconcile them with her role as a community leader she should resign with dignity and let more balanced and Secular minds take over. It does make me wonder what else she believes? If she is taking her morality from the bible then surely she must condone slavery or rape? Of course I very much doubt this since she almost certainly takes most of her morality from our modern secular(ish) society as we nearly all do but this in turn leads me to ponder why she chooses to cherrypick this particular idea over others just as nasty and backwards? I think this really does show that those who claim bilical morality as their moral guide are (usually) unwittingly using it to reinforce and justify their own personal predjudices. It is a shame for the Council and for the Councillor in question that all this happened but I must still applaud those who chose to put down someone who is wrong in the face of certain indignant cries of religious intolerance from those who choose to base their morality on a doctrine which like all other religions has no place in the modern world.

Do you not feel that your denunciation of her beliefs is every bit as bigoted as you claim hers are?

As I already stated, she has a right to believe what she likes (as do I), the problem I have is that she lets these beliefs inform her political stance. Why is it bigoted to disagree with someone anyway? I am not saying she should be told what to think only that she should act according to the best interests of those living in B&H generally rather than for the interests of her particular religious group. If it makes you feel any better I am not fussy about which religion I disagree with, I think they are all wrong. Just a note though, as far as bigotry goes, dogma and superstition have caused far more harm than any secular power so far. People don't tend to kill or harm others in the name of disbelief and the non-religious don't usually try to force others to believe anything just because they do. If Councillor Summers wants to believe anything thats fine, I don't care what she believes even if it is incorrect or bad but I simply cannot agree that it is OK for her to use these beliefs to inform political decisions which could affect many unbeleiving people. Not everyone is a Christian and they absolutely should not be told what they can and cannot do by someone who is. Let her live according to her holy book and I hope she has a happy and fulfilling life but do not expect those with different beliefs to fall in with yours. That is tyrranny and we left that kind of thing behind a long time ago.