Brighton Station revamp: what do you think?

MAPPED: How the south entrance to the station will change under the plans

MAPPED: How the south entrance to the station will change under the plans

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Radical plans to change the layout of Brighton Station have been unveiled.

About 1,400 people took part in consultation earlier this year on three options to improve the space in front of the station.

Now, bosses at Brighton and Hove City Council have come up with revised plans to improve the gateway to the city .

They believe the proposal balances the needs of all the 14.5 million recorded passenger numbers that pass through the area every year.

Council leader Jason Kitcat said: “I think the plans are very positive and provide an option which meets the needs of all the users of the station while radically improving the built environment.

“It’s a very busy area – it’s the 13th busiest station in the country – and there’s always a balance to meet the needs of motorists, cyclists, buses and taxis that use the area.”

Plans to revamp the area have been talked about since 2010.

Among the planned changes will include the taxi rank being moved from directly in front of the station.

A new public area will be created which could contain some cycle parking, small stalls, and a new pedestrian route to North Laine and Queens Road.

A new ticket office, which will also act as a tourist centre, will be created outside the Victorian building.

In its place, a taxi rank will be created in Frederick Place, which is parallel to Queen’s Road and under the bridge in Trafalgar Street.

This will need the traffic flow in Frederick Place and the western ends of Trafalgar Street and Gloucester Road to be reversed.

Buses will remain in their current position although there may be some minor changes to services.

New cycle lanes in Trafalgar Street and Queens Road will allow cyclists to pass in both directions.

Roger French, of Brighton and Hove Bus Company , said: “We’re pleased that this proposal is being brought forward, it makes a lot of sense.”

Andy Cheesman, of City Cabs, said currently only 300 taxis could use Brighton Station and they had to pay £430 a year for the permit.

However, he said the proposed plan would mean all 540 licensed hackney carriages would have access to the area.

Mr Cheesman, who is also the chairman of Queens Road Traders’ Association, said: “I think it’s the best thing that has come forward for this area in a long time.

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9:56am Wed 26 Sep 12

LuxuryReims says...

Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal,

http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/index.cf
m?request=c1255734
Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal, http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1255734 LuxuryReims
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10:46am Wed 26 Sep 12

Jo Wadsworth says...

LuxuryReims wrote:
Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal,

http://www.brighton-

hove.gov.uk/index.cf

m?request=c1255734
It's me who's too lazy Leo, not Tim, and I've now added it to the story.

It's a good point though - our workflow, where reporters file for a linkless paper product, means that links for web are often overlooked, or lost along the way, but it's something I should make more of an effort to dig out. Must try harder!
[quote][p][bold]LuxuryReims[/bold] wrote: Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal, http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1255734[/p][/quote]It's me who's too lazy Leo, not Tim, and I've now added it to the story. It's a good point though - our workflow, where reporters file for a linkless paper product, means that links for web are often overlooked, or lost along the way, but it's something I should make more of an effort to dig out. Must try harder! Jo Wadsworth
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11:57am Wed 26 Sep 12

kkj says...

Jo Wadsworth wrote:
LuxuryReims wrote:
Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal,

http://www.brighton-


hove.gov.uk/index.cf


m?request=c1255734
It's me who's too lazy Leo, not Tim, and I've now added it to the story.

It's a good point though - our workflow, where reporters file for a linkless paper product, means that links for web are often overlooked, or lost along the way, but it's something I should make more of an effort to dig out. Must try harder!
Please can you fix the link so that it works?
[quote][p][bold]Jo Wadsworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuxuryReims[/bold] wrote: Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal, http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1255734[/p][/quote]It's me who's too lazy Leo, not Tim, and I've now added it to the story. It's a good point though - our workflow, where reporters file for a linkless paper product, means that links for web are often overlooked, or lost along the way, but it's something I should make more of an effort to dig out. Must try harder![/p][/quote]Please can you fix the link so that it works? kkj
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12:08pm Wed 26 Sep 12

TwoBob says...

LuxuryReims wrote:
Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal,

http://www.brighton-

hove.gov.uk/index.cf

m?request=c1255734
You sound a charming and bitter person. People make mistakes, not sure how that makes him lazy. Why not simply ask the person nicely to make the correction, like kkj?
[quote][p][bold]LuxuryReims[/bold] wrote: Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal, http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1255734[/p][/quote]You sound a charming and bitter person. People make mistakes, not sure how that makes him lazy. Why not simply ask the person nicely to make the correction, like kkj? TwoBob
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12:52pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Old Ladys Gin says...

Anything will be better than the potentially dangerous mix of pedestrians and vehicles that exists at the moment.
Thanks for the story.
Anything will be better than the potentially dangerous mix of pedestrians and vehicles that exists at the moment. Thanks for the story. Old Ladys Gin
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12:53pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Nick Brighton says...

I'm very concerned, as a cyclist who uses Trafalgar Street every day, twice a day, that I may be mown down by taxis in a hurry, coming out of Frederick Place. I said this in my response to the consultation. I wonder how this will be addressed.
I'm very concerned, as a cyclist who uses Trafalgar Street every day, twice a day, that I may be mown down by taxis in a hurry, coming out of Frederick Place. I said this in my response to the consultation. I wonder how this will be addressed. Nick Brighton
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1:09pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Surely not! says...

Nick Brighton wrote:
I'm very concerned, as a cyclist who uses Trafalgar Street every day, twice a day, that I may be mown down by taxis in a hurry, coming out of Frederick Place. I said this in my response to the consultation. I wonder how this will be addressed.
I can't really see your point. If you are that concerned, surely the easiest thing would be to take another route. As a cyclist I think I will be able to cope with taxis. i manage to most of the time.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Brighton[/bold] wrote: I'm very concerned, as a cyclist who uses Trafalgar Street every day, twice a day, that I may be mown down by taxis in a hurry, coming out of Frederick Place. I said this in my response to the consultation. I wonder how this will be addressed.[/p][/quote]I can't really see your point. If you are that concerned, surely the easiest thing would be to take another route. As a cyclist I think I will be able to cope with taxis. i manage to most of the time. Surely not!
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1:38pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Bob_The_Ferret says...

The actual link that would be useful is: http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/index.cf
m?request=c1270334 , which has an enormous report linked to which among lots of other things has details of the latest proposals. For those who have the patience to wade through it, you will find that the council reveal their true colours and the real aim behind the scheme are the proposed traffic restrictions which attempt to almost totally cut off road access to the North Laine area and hint that the obvious next step is to also restrict any private traffic in the station area with even more restrictions.

You can guarantee that most of your councillors will not read any of it, so by the time people realise what is happening, it will be too late, and the greens will have struck.
The actual link that would be useful is: http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1270334 , which has an enormous report linked to which among lots of other things has details of the latest proposals. For those who have the patience to wade through it, you will find that the council reveal their true colours and the real aim behind the scheme are the proposed traffic restrictions which attempt to almost totally cut off road access to the North Laine area and hint that the obvious next step is to also restrict any private traffic in the station area with even more restrictions. You can guarantee that most of your councillors will not read any of it, so by the time people realise what is happening, it will be too late, and the greens will have struck. Bob_The_Ferret
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2:30pm Wed 26 Sep 12

ruberducker says...

Nick Brighton wrote:
I'm very concerned, as a cyclist who usesNew cycle lanes in Trafalgar Street and Queens Road will allow cyclists to pass in both directions.
so you admit you wont use the bike lanes provided.Frederick Place will not be exclusive to taxis"just a rank"..
[quote][p][bold]Nick Brighton[/bold] wrote: I'm very concerned, as a cyclist who usesNew cycle lanes in Trafalgar Street and Queens Road will allow cyclists to pass in both directions. so you admit you wont use the bike lanes provided.Frederick Place will not be exclusive to taxis"just a rank".. ruberducker
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2:33pm Wed 26 Sep 12

F in L says...

TwoBob wrote:
LuxuryReims wrote:
Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal,

http://www.brighton-


hove.gov.uk/index.cf


m?request=c1255734
You sound a charming and bitter person. People make mistakes, not sure how that makes him lazy. Why not simply ask the person nicely to make the correction, like kkj?
They are asked nicely to correct mistakes on here every single day on numerous occasions.
[quote][p][bold]TwoBob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuxuryReims[/bold] wrote: Seeing as Tim Ridgeway is to lazy to include a link, here's where you can view details about the new proposal, http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1255734[/p][/quote]You sound a charming and bitter person. People make mistakes, not sure how that makes him lazy. Why not simply ask the person nicely to make the correction, like kkj?[/p][/quote]They are asked nicely to correct mistakes on here every single day on numerous occasions. F in L
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2:58pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Surely not! says...

Bob_The_Ferret wrote:
The actual link that would be useful is: http://www.brighton-

hove.gov.uk/index.cf

m?request=c1270334 , which has an enormous report linked to which among lots of other things has details of the latest proposals. For those who have the patience to wade through it, you will find that the council reveal their true colours and the real aim behind the scheme are the proposed traffic restrictions which attempt to almost totally cut off road access to the North Laine area and hint that the obvious next step is to also restrict any private traffic in the station area with even more restrictions.

You can guarantee that most of your councillors will not read any of it, so by the time people realise what is happening, it will be too late, and the greens will have struck.
Shock Horror! Green Council attempts to restrict traffic in city centre.

My goodness they kept that quiet didn't they?

Pretending that they think there should be greater access by private vehicles to the city centre and all the time deviously doing something else!
[quote][p][bold]Bob_The_Ferret[/bold] wrote: The actual link that would be useful is: http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1270334 , which has an enormous report linked to which among lots of other things has details of the latest proposals. For those who have the patience to wade through it, you will find that the council reveal their true colours and the real aim behind the scheme are the proposed traffic restrictions which attempt to almost totally cut off road access to the North Laine area and hint that the obvious next step is to also restrict any private traffic in the station area with even more restrictions. You can guarantee that most of your councillors will not read any of it, so by the time people realise what is happening, it will be too late, and the greens will have struck.[/p][/quote]Shock Horror! Green Council attempts to restrict traffic in city centre. My goodness they kept that quiet didn't they? Pretending that they think there should be greater access by private vehicles to the city centre and all the time deviously doing something else! Surely not!
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4:04pm Wed 26 Sep 12

caeos says...

and where will all those takeaway drivers go that block the road - when it was open?
and where will all those takeaway drivers go that block the road - when it was open? caeos
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6:52pm Wed 26 Sep 12

rolivan says...

How the World has changed in 40 years,when most people used to either use Public Transport or Walk the Streets of Brighton and Hove without any trouble.Now with probably 300,000 people living in the City the Council needs to have a plan for the next 40 years.When are they going to bite the bullet and prohibit private vehicles from entering certain parts of the City.Get rid of expensive car parks and build more Housing.
How the World has changed in 40 years,when most people used to either use Public Transport or Walk the Streets of Brighton and Hove without any trouble.Now with probably 300,000 people living in the City the Council needs to have a plan for the next 40 years.When are they going to bite the bullet and prohibit private vehicles from entering certain parts of the City.Get rid of expensive car parks and build more Housing. rolivan
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7:17pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Dr.Draconian says...

Why isnt there plans for a shuttle from the station to the sea front, that would encourage less visitors to drive.
Why isnt there plans for a shuttle from the station to the sea front, that would encourage less visitors to drive. Dr.Draconian
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9:05am Thu 27 Sep 12

Nick Brighton says...

Surely not! wrote:
Nick Brighton wrote:
I'm very concerned, as a cyclist who uses Trafalgar Street every day, twice a day, that I may be mown down by taxis in a hurry, coming out of Frederick Place. I said this in my response to the consultation. I wonder how this will be addressed.
I can't really see your point. If you are that concerned, surely the easiest thing would be to take another route. As a cyclist I think I will be able to cope with taxis. i manage to most of the time.
Coming from the direction I come from, it is the only reasonable route.
[quote][p][bold]Surely not![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Brighton[/bold] wrote: I'm very concerned, as a cyclist who uses Trafalgar Street every day, twice a day, that I may be mown down by taxis in a hurry, coming out of Frederick Place. I said this in my response to the consultation. I wonder how this will be addressed.[/p][/quote]I can't really see your point. If you are that concerned, surely the easiest thing would be to take another route. As a cyclist I think I will be able to cope with taxis. i manage to most of the time.[/p][/quote]Coming from the direction I come from, it is the only reasonable route. Nick Brighton
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10:03am Thu 27 Sep 12

Worthingwithoutbuses! says...

"Currently only 300 taxis use the station"????

Stuff making more room for them!

More like 3000! Have you seen them blocking the whole of Surrey Street/Queens Road on a Friday & Saturday evening/night?

They should be sent to the back of the Station, then they can block up roads without causing traffic chaos.

There are FAR too many taxis licenced for the Station now, without making more space for them. The Police just sit there and watch them blocking the road up... The Police & Council need to get a grip over the Taxi issues at the Station & Castle Square at weekends... it is beyond a joke now.
"Currently only 300 taxis use the station"???? Stuff making more room for them! More like 3000! Have you seen them blocking the whole of Surrey Street/Queens Road on a Friday & Saturday evening/night? They should be sent to the back of the Station, then they can block up roads without causing traffic chaos. There are FAR too many taxis licenced for the Station now, without making more space for them. The Police just sit there and watch them blocking the road up... The Police & Council need to get a grip over the Taxi issues at the Station & Castle Square at weekends... it is beyond a joke now. Worthingwithoutbuses!
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8:17am Fri 28 Sep 12

albionvicar says...

Worthingwithoutbuses
!
wrote:
"Currently only 300 taxis use the station"????

Stuff making more room for them!

More like 3000! Have you seen them blocking the whole of Surrey Street/Queens Road on a Friday & Saturday evening/night?

They should be sent to the back of the Station, then they can block up roads without causing traffic chaos.

There are FAR too many taxis licenced for the Station now, without making more space for them. The Police just sit there and watch them blocking the road up... The Police & Council need to get a grip over the Taxi issues at the Station & Castle Square at weekends... it is beyond a joke now.
Yes please. It would help if the taxis actually learned to stop at the red light on the crossing opposite the station instead of seeing the lights changing and putting their foot down.
[quote][p][bold]Worthingwithoutbuses ![/bold] wrote: "Currently only 300 taxis use the station"???? Stuff making more room for them! More like 3000! Have you seen them blocking the whole of Surrey Street/Queens Road on a Friday & Saturday evening/night? They should be sent to the back of the Station, then they can block up roads without causing traffic chaos. There are FAR too many taxis licenced for the Station now, without making more space for them. The Police just sit there and watch them blocking the road up... The Police & Council need to get a grip over the Taxi issues at the Station & Castle Square at weekends... it is beyond a joke now.[/p][/quote]Yes please. It would help if the taxis actually learned to stop at the red light on the crossing opposite the station instead of seeing the lights changing and putting their foot down. albionvicar
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9:15am Fri 28 Sep 12

quedula says...

In the Council report does anyone know what "removing the post-war canopy" means? The Boer War maybe?
In the Council report does anyone know what "removing the post-war canopy" means? The Boer War maybe? quedula
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11:15am Fri 28 Sep 12

D360 says...

albionvicar wrote:
Worthingwithoutbuses

!
wrote:
"Currently only 300 taxis use the station"????

Stuff making more room for them!

More like 3000! Have you seen them blocking the whole of Surrey Street/Queens Road on a Friday & Saturday evening/night?

They should be sent to the back of the Station, then they can block up roads without causing traffic chaos.

There are FAR too many taxis licenced for the Station now, without making more space for them. The Police just sit there and watch them blocking the road up... The Police & Council need to get a grip over the Taxi issues at the Station & Castle Square at weekends... it is beyond a joke now.
Yes please. It would help if the taxis actually learned to stop at the red light on the crossing opposite the station instead of seeing the lights changing and putting their foot down.
It's not just friday and saturday nights mate they bloke the roads pretty much every evening around 10.15pm and angrily wave traffic around them when they sit at the green light waiting to get into the rank.
I remember when the transport police did crack down on the taxi's and they all had a little tantrum driving around the railway station tooting their horns all night in protest. I think it should be the council stepping in and temporarily banning taxis that obstruct the road outside ranks
[quote][p][bold]albionvicar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Worthingwithoutbuses ![/bold] wrote: "Currently only 300 taxis use the station"???? Stuff making more room for them! More like 3000! Have you seen them blocking the whole of Surrey Street/Queens Road on a Friday & Saturday evening/night? They should be sent to the back of the Station, then they can block up roads without causing traffic chaos. There are FAR too many taxis licenced for the Station now, without making more space for them. The Police just sit there and watch them blocking the road up... The Police & Council need to get a grip over the Taxi issues at the Station & Castle Square at weekends... it is beyond a joke now.[/p][/quote]Yes please. It would help if the taxis actually learned to stop at the red light on the crossing opposite the station instead of seeing the lights changing and putting their foot down.[/p][/quote]It's not just friday and saturday nights mate they bloke the roads pretty much every evening around 10.15pm and angrily wave traffic around them when they sit at the green light waiting to get into the rank. I remember when the transport police did crack down on the taxi's and they all had a little tantrum driving around the railway station tooting their horns all night in protest. I think it should be the council stepping in and temporarily banning taxis that obstruct the road outside ranks D360
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11:23am Fri 28 Sep 12

wole says...

Looks like Roger French and Kitkat are in line for yet another bung doesn't it?
Looks like Roger French and Kitkat are in line for yet another bung doesn't it? wole
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10:06am Tue 2 Oct 12

Ihopenoonehasthisusername says...

Dr.Draconian wrote:
Why isnt there plans for a shuttle from the station to the sea front, that would encourage less visitors to drive.
A shuttle? How many, and where will they all park?
[quote][p][bold]Dr.Draconian[/bold] wrote: Why isnt there plans for a shuttle from the station to the sea front, that would encourage less visitors to drive.[/p][/quote]A shuttle? How many, and where will they all park? Ihopenoonehasthisusername
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