More people leaving Brighton and Hove than coming in (From The Argus)
Get involved: Send your news, views, pictures and video by texting SUPIC to 80360 or email us.
More people leaving Brighton and Hove than coming in
10:08am Monday 1st October 2012 in News
More residents are leaving Brighton and Hove than are moving in, new figures suggest.
But those heading for the A23 aren’t going far, with the majority settling in the more affordable surrounding towns and villages.
Figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that in the 12 months to June 2011 – the latest available – 17,400 people moved to the city with 17,800 leaving.
A high number of migrants to the city from England and Wales are from nearby districts with Lewes (770), Adur (540) and Mid Sussex (460) making up the top three.
Londoners also appear to continue to be heading to the south coast for a more relaxed life by the sea with residents migrating from all over the capital.
But people aren’t just travelling from the south east with many areas across the UK well represented. Particularly high are Southampton (180), Bristol (160), Oxford (140) and Leeds (140).
The outward migration statistics tell a different story, with most leavers deciding to stay in Sussex.
Lewes (1,550), Adur (1,290) and Mid Sussex (810) are again the top three regions followed by Worthing (790), Horsham (400), Wealden (370) and Eastbourne (310).
Tony Mernagh, the director of Brighton and Hove Economic Partnership, said: “The figures don’t surprise me. The most recent census told us that 33,000 residents leave the city every day for work with 28,000 coming in.
“We are never going to have a balanced housing market, we simply don’t have the space to build the number of homes we need.
“Therefore we must use surrounding areas as best we can. I think Newhaven is underused. The problem is that people don’t think it as “trendy” as Brighton. But then again they never used to think that Portslade or Shoreham was either.
“We need to start working and communicating with our surrounding partners and make sure that transport into the city is adequate.”
One of the more interesting findings is that many people from Cornwall now choose to call Brighton and Hove their home.
Despite the distance and relatively small number of people in the county, 160 Cornish residents decided to make the move east.
Mr Mernagh, who is also chief executive of Brighton and Hove Business Forum, added: “Cornwall has this idyllic image, so my guess would be that people move there and then realise that they miss the sort of things they have become used to such as the arts and nightlife. Brighton is the best of both worlds.
“You have the beach life along with an exciting city.”
Comments(33)
Hoarder12345444
says...
10:18am Mon 1 Oct 12
rolivan
says...
10:23am Mon 1 Oct 12
city-boy
says...
10:27am Mon 1 Oct 12
Don't worry about it, it is all a load of nonsense.
Let's just have a good moan about the fact that Brightonians cannot afford to live in their own town!
lmlosborne
says...
10:39am Mon 1 Oct 12
I have lived in privately rented flat in Brighton for a year, and I am a student.
Plenty of people on my course are mature students with privately rented or even owned properties.
Really, you people must let go of the idea that all students are bouncy and annoying 18 year olds with no respect for the city.
city-boy
says...
10:42am Mon 1 Oct 12
Could you please show us where we are presuming that?
mark by the sea
says...
11:02am Mon 1 Oct 12
billy goat-gruff
says...
11:03am Mon 1 Oct 12
kopite_rob
says...
11:08am Mon 1 Oct 12
on will end up being inhabited by singles & students.
jamus77
says...
11:10am Mon 1 Oct 12
juleshove
says...
11:15am Mon 1 Oct 12
jamus77
says...
11:19am Mon 1 Oct 12
juleshove wrote:Agreed. I'd pay a premium to live in some affluent part of Hove. But anything east of the city centre (Brighton basically) and you're simply being ripped off! Why would you pay £300k to live in a small terrace house in Kemp Town - the mind boggles.
Hove especially the areas around church road, and Hove Park are the nicest to live in my opinion hence the high house prices. Kemp Town is overrated.
Tailgaters Anonymous
says...
11:30am Mon 1 Oct 12
SGK2000
says...
11:42am Mon 1 Oct 12
Sadly, many young families break up under the strain and the adults end up living back home with their parents with little hope of moving out especially as moving away ends their slim chances of council help.
Old Ale Man
says...
11:47am Mon 1 Oct 12
lmlosborne wrote:ok (refering to your last para) so far your the only one thats not.
Not all students are on 'the move all of the time'. I have lived in privately rented flat in Brighton for a year, and I am a student. Plenty of people on my course are mature students with privately rented or even owned properties. Really, you people must let go of the idea that all students are bouncy and annoying 18 year olds with no respect for the city.
jamus77
says...
11:57am Mon 1 Oct 12
SGK2000 wrote:Good points. Over the years booming property prices have become something people boast about, when in reality they are very damaging to the fabric of society. They create invisible walls between the haves and the have-nots and make life very stressful for young families. Soaring house prices are a problem. It's time we started talking about them in those terms.
Local (working) youngsters are forced to move away if they want homes yet their parents stay so there's few vacant places for those moving in.
Sadly, many young families break up under the strain and the adults end up living back home with their parents with little hope of moving out especially as moving away ends their slim chances of council help.
Le Premier Cru
says...
12:36pm Mon 1 Oct 12
rolivan wrote:Except in the morning.
I am sorry but I don't believe those figures.How can Students be counted, they are on the move all of the time?
Charismatic Andrew
says...
1:11pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Le Premier Cru wrote:... and the afternoon.
rolivan wrote:Except in the morning.
I am sorry but I don't believe those figures.How can Students be counted, they are on the move all of the time?
Old Ale Man
says...
1:21pm Mon 1 Oct 12
city-boy wrote:You mean forced out by a ridiculous green council and if that trend continues that diference of 400 aditional people leaving will multipy 10 fold.
Majority probably not choosing to leave, just forced out by ridiculous property prices!
whereisthe...?
says...
2:10pm Mon 1 Oct 12
rolivan
says...
2:44pm Mon 1 Oct 12
lmlosborne wrote:Well please tell us how many students stay after their studies.
Not all students are on 'the move all of the time'.
I have lived in privately rented flat in Brighton for a year, and I am a student.
Plenty of people on my course are mature students with privately rented or even owned properties.
Really, you people must let go of the idea that all students are bouncy and annoying 18 year olds with no respect for the city.
"Really, you people must let go of the idea that all students are bouncy and annoying 18 year olds with no respect for the city"
Where did I infer that this is my thoughts as to their behaviour.
Fairfax Sakes
says...
2:45pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Just because you can't afford a property doesn’t mean you deserve it more than someone who can. Would you moan about not being able to afford a Ferrari?
Lofaplace
says...
2:52pm Mon 1 Oct 12
They do not think it is as 'Trendy' as Helmand Province or Chernobyl, and they are right!
Lofaplace
says...
3:14pm Mon 1 Oct 12
billy goat-gruff wrote:Well, I must say, that is a little harsh and a trifle inflammatory! When a sizeable proportion of the problem is the amount of Cat owners and Vegetarians.
I blame the cyclists! ;)
Maxwell's Ghost
says...
6:41pm Mon 1 Oct 12
From an anecdotal perspective, many of my friends in professions tend to leave the city once their second child is on the way, one because they cannot afford a house for two kids and the schools are ropey.
It would be interesting if those professional people are replaced by transients/students or non workers.
How many homes which are vacated by families become bedsits/student lets.
It's vital we keep families in the city but increasingly unlikely.
HJarrs
says...
8:12pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Maxwell's Ghost
says...
6:38am Tue 2 Oct 12
Well last week one lane on the Lewes Road at the Coldean Lane junction was closed to vehicles and the queue of traffic started at Coldean Lane right back to the bridge at Moulsecoomb so I cycled through worse fumes. Thanks.
HJarrs
says...
10:46am Tue 2 Oct 12
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:Ok. Lets see. 31000 people have consultation papers delivered to local home address. The majority do not reply. Those that do respond to the consultation show a clear majority in favour of the scheme. A small proportion of respondents come from outside the immediate area but they do not affect the overall result. Conclusion; Most people are either ambivalent or too apathetic to even fill in a bit of paper and pop it in a post box, but there would seem to be more support overall for the scheme as proposed than against it.
HJarrs perhaps you could give the same standard of critique to the figures about the Lewes bus lane, but you probably won't do that as the lied the Green Party are promoting about support for the scheme support your ideology. Well last week one lane on the Lewes Road at the Coldean Lane junction was closed to vehicles and the queue of traffic started at Coldean Lane right back to the bridge at Moulsecoomb so I cycled through worse fumes. Thanks.
There you go, critique made. How is your letter to the PM going?
Oh and yes and as you are always telling me what my ideology is I am happy to tell you that I do think we should encourage more people to cycle and should provide the infrastructure to encourage future generations to do so, whereas your ideology appears to be no change and anything suggested by the Green Party is wrong.
redwing
says...
11:08am Tue 2 Oct 12
Fairfax Sakes wrote:The idea that capitalism is just about pure supply and demand is ignorant.
Property prices are high because it’s a nice place to live BECAUSE an affluent and socio economically well adjusted populace live there. If it was a dump, people wouldn't aspire to live there and the prices would come down. It’s simple supply and demand, it’s called capitalism and it’s the most efficient way to allocate resources.
Just because you can't afford a property doesn’t mean you deserve it more than someone who can. Would you moan about not being able to afford a Ferrari?
That it is 'the most efficient way to allocate resources' is a bad joke. If some people have too much money they may buy more than one house and that creates a shortage, for example.
We're in the worst recession for generations, living standard for the majority, particularly the poorest are going down, while the very rich get richer, and we have a unprecedented housing crisis which is on course to make even more thousands homeless.
No one in that position is after a Ferrari thank you, just a decent place to live which the sixth wealthiest nation in the world fails miserably to provide for its citizens.
Old Ale Man
says...
11:20am Tue 2 Oct 12
redwing wrote:Tell Commy Ken Livingstone He had a second home here didn't you know? Had to give it too his ex as part of a settlement.
Fairfax Sakes wrote: Property prices are high because it’s a nice place to live BECAUSE an affluent and socio economically well adjusted populace live there. If it was a dump, people wouldn't aspire to live there and the prices would come down. It’s simple supply and demand, it’s called capitalism and it’s the most efficient way to allocate resources. Just because you can't afford a property doesn’t mean you deserve it more than someone who can. Would you moan about not being able to afford a Ferrari?The idea that capitalism is just about pure supply and demand is ignorant. That it is 'the most efficient way to allocate resources' is a bad joke. If some people have too much money they may buy more than one house and that creates a shortage, for example. We're in the worst recession for generations, living standard for the majority, particularly the poorest are going down, while the very rich get richer, and we have a unprecedented housing crisis which is on course to make even more thousands homeless. No one in that position is after a Ferrari thank you, just a decent place to live which the sixth wealthiest nation in the world fails miserably to provide for its citizens.
Now why would an old commy the like of him want a second home in Brighton?
Lady Smith
says...
4:30pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Charismatic Andrew wrote:And in the early hours of the morning, in my neighbourhood...
Le Premier Cru wrote:... and the afternoon.
rolivan wrote:Except in the morning.
I am sorry but I don't believe those figures.How can Students be counted, they are on the move all of the time?
Lofaplace
says...
12:13am Wed 3 Oct 12
Old Ale Man
says...
7:27am Wed 3 Oct 12
Lofaplace wrote:Yes but that was only because in Worthing it's cheap to park and shop there!!!!!!
THIS STORY IS TRUE! I SAW THE QUEUE ON THE A27 IN THE ARGUS AND THEY WERE ALL HEADING TO WORTHING!
city-boy says...
10:18am Mon 1 Oct 12