Bus lane plans for Brighton's Lewes Road a step closer (From The Argus)

Clearly the Greens want Brighton closed for business.

I guess there is nothing we can do until the residents vote for people who care about doing the best for the people of the city.

For now we have to put up with the Greens who simply want to be spiteful towards owners of private cars - regardless of the cost to the city.

Here we go again.Why start now if the Gyratory part of the System isn't sorted.There are so many pieces of the jigsaw missing.Why not bite the bullet and spend the money on one project and finish it before starting on another.

can't the Gyratory buildings just be knocked down via a compulsory purchase order, and start all over again from scratch?.
The place is a mess - will society really be bothered about the loss of a 'Wild Bean Cafe'?

*Grabs crisps, pulls up chair*

*Grabs crisps, pulls up chair*

There you go, a spare chair for anyone else who wants to watch the binfestry.

Is there a picture of what it is supposed to look like?

If bikes go behind bus stops onto pavement do busses have 4m wide lane at stops? Do bus boarders/exiters have right of way or bikes?

I think the only reason pedestrians are not more concerned about their safety is because there are so few bikes actually using these (very expensive) facilities.

Right here's the plan...
Slow down the bit of road leading to a duel carriageway, that would make it a good place for a speed (cash machine) trap

Ignore the only problem on this stretch of road (the Gyratory)

Narrow the road so we can shoehorn in a Twoooooooo Metre bike lane for those really wide Bikes with sidecars

Claim the locals want it.

Next................
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Oh think I have sussed it.

The project was 'sold' as improving Vogue Gyratory - but was actually cover to thrown more taxpayers money at a Green Party 'electric bike' experiment.

Now the whole packages has been wrapped into one to get backing, the GP are now dropping the bit the public wanted (Vogue Gyratory improvements) and ploughing ahead with supporting their pet project (electric bike trials) at huge taxpayer expense, for no taxpayer benefit.

http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/download
s/bhcc/transport/BHC
C_LSTF_Thematic_Map.
pdf

About time some people stopped moanin' and started cyclin'...!

assume the bike lanes are for the benefit of the students therefore any student who signs up to uni in the city should sign up to not owning a car, and the hanover/lewes rd/elm grove area should be put into a control parking zone. assume the bus lanes are for the benefit of brighton and hove buses therefore I hope they are coughing up half the cost. as for the vogue gyratory it seems to work fine just needs beautifying. the problem will is and will continue to be the loss of usable lanes and will never be solved in a tourist city. shame the opposition is not standing up for the electorate and booting this experimental council out whilst we still have a thriving city. any tourist city needs to be friendly to the car, businesses and landlords to supply homes, but this council seem set on irradicating all three. they will be happy when we have empty streets, shops and residents sleeping on the streets.

I cycle along the Lewes Road route every day.
When the Labour group were in power, they sent surveys to residents asking if they want an improvement to the gyratory and most said yes, because it's a disaster.
Then the Greens came in and told bare faced lies, stating that people wanted the Lewes Road to be a single lane in each direction for cycles.
They then undertook a survey of 31,000 residents, only 13 per cent responded.
Of the 4,000 or so responses, only 2,650 want the cycle/bus lane. 18 per cent of those who repsonded to the survey were not from the area, so we have no figures as to how many supporters of the scheme actually come from outside the area.
However, if you look on the B&H city council press release archive, you will see the most disgraceful piece of propoganda by the Greens which states: There is overwhelming support for the scheme.
That is an outright, blatant lie and a complete disregard for democracy and truth and I beleive the councillors who signed off that piece of propoganda should be censured for this disgraceful behaviour.

the gyratory has always been a balls up,it was much better years ago-along with the rest of the town before we had the one way system's,all the rat runs,streeets closed off etc..traffic moved well,you only have to turn off the traffic lights to see traffic flow increase.
but this council seem to have a blinkered approach to the needs of this town as far as traffic management, and it will only have a depremental effect when they keep sticking the two fingers up at the motorist,and then moan the place is loosing money.

The traffic along the Lewes Road and Coombe Road last night was appalling due to the footy match.
The queue of traffic down Coombe Road and Bear Road was atrocious and this will only get worse with one lane open in each direction, but no-one seems to care apart from those affected. Why would anyone who lives elsewhere give a monkeys. The three councillors representing the ward don't even care as they don't even live in the wards they serve and the Greens live in the city centre so why on earth do they give a toss about people in Bevendean, Moulsecoomb and Coombe Road/Elm Grove.
It was impossible to cycle up Coombe Road last night as there was no room and footy fans were dumping their cars to walk down the hill to the park and ride.
This ludicrous plan is poorly thought out and will cause chaos, but in a way, perhaps it should go ahead, because there really will be calls for the Greens to go.
They should all go back to towns from which they came and annoy their own families and perhaps they would be more accountable because they don't care about us locals.

ruberducker wrote:
the gyratory has always been a balls up,it was much better years ago-along with the rest of the town before we had the one way system's,all the rat runs,streeets closed off etc..traffic moved well,you only have to turn off the traffic lights to see traffic flow increase.
but this council seem to have a blinkered approach to the needs of this town as far as traffic management, and it will only have a depremental effect when they keep sticking the two fingers up at the motorist,and then moan the place is loosing money.

The biggest mistake was knocking down the Viaduct which could have provided a link to Kemptown.It is not too late to open the tunnel to Cyclists.We could do with a few more Bridges in Brighton and Hove for Pedestrians and Cyclists.But I think the council would rather spend the money on projects like the i360 in the hope that it will generate more income for the City.It wouldn't be so bad if it had a view, we can already look at the Sea at no cost.

It's all an utter waste of money.

You only need drive up Lewes Road at the moment to see what the problem will be - on a very small section of the road (the Coldean Lane junction) there's a lane out because of roadworks, and one can't really argue that the traffic is still flowing smoothly there. Trying to get into town at the weekend it occurred to me that there is simply no need for the bus lane during the summer - no students, the 25 runs a less frequent service (the only route that runs all the way up Lewes Road) and will be mostly empty anyway. And the queue for the Gyratory was tailing back to The Avenue, with both lanes gridlocked. Even if, as the council assure us, 10% less cars will be on the road on a day like that, if it's down to one lane the queue will start somewhere around Nottingham.

The most frustrating thing is that I bet most cars using Lewes Road are not going into town, so the bus isn't really an option for them, they're just trying to get to the Vogue Gyratory to get to east Brighton or Fiveways or wherever, and since there's no other main route off Lewes Road all they are doing is making an existing choke point significantly worse.

My suggestion is that every councillor who has backed this move is made by law to drive up and down Lewes Road fur the duration of rush hour every day until construction starts...

So we get another 24 hour bus lane on a main route into/ and out of Brighton, that is just not needed.

Why is it the a Minority green administration is allowed to destroy the city??

it time the tory and labour parties started to work together to rid Brighton once and for all of the greens before it’s too late.

bug eye wrote:
assume the bike lanes are for the benefit of the students therefore any student who signs up to uni in the city should sign up to not owning a car, and the hanover/lewes rd/elm grove area should be put into a control parking zone. assume the bus lanes are for the benefit of brighton and hove buses therefore I hope they are coughing up half the cost. as for the vogue gyratory it seems to work fine just needs beautifying. the problem will is and will continue to be the loss of usable lanes and will never be solved in a tourist city. shame the opposition is not standing up for the electorate and booting this experimental council out whilst we still have a thriving city. any tourist city needs to be friendly to the car, businesses and landlords to supply homes, but this council seem set on irradicating all three. they will be happy when we have empty streets, shops and residents sleeping on the streets.

If I understand the scheme correctly, the proposal is that the council will put £590k towards the £6million scheme, so levering in £10 for every £1 spent. B&H buses are putting up £400k.

I can't quite agree with you on the Vogue Gyratory, I think it is a deathtrap and certainly not pedestrian friendly.

But why don't you think your opposition councillors don't vote this down as they are in the majority? It might be that they agree with it, but want the Greens to take the flack as making the changes will result in temporary disruption. But then as usual nobody can give a reason why anyone should actually support the other parties.

ok they want to put a bus lane on lewes rd .so where does the pan in the rear biketrain go now i got caught behind this biketrain riding three abreast on the lewes rd in the nearside lane not the cycle lane where they should be.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I cycle along the Lewes Road route every day.
When the Labour group were in power, they sent surveys to residents asking if they want an improvement to the gyratory and most said yes, because it's a disaster.
Then the Greens came in and told bare faced lies, stating that people wanted the Lewes Road to be a single lane in each direction for cycles.
They then undertook a survey of 31,000 residents, only 13 per cent responded.
Of the 4,000 or so responses, only 2,650 want the cycle/bus lane. 18 per cent of those who repsonded to the survey were not from the area, so we have no figures as to how many supporters of the scheme actually come from outside the area.
However, if you look on the B&H city council press release archive, you will see the most disgraceful piece of propoganda by the Greens which states: There is overwhelming support for the scheme.
That is an outright, blatant lie and a complete disregard for democracy and truth and I beleive the councillors who signed off that piece of propoganda should be censured for this disgraceful behaviour.

Look, you will have to post a link to this press release. You said it was a Green Party press release on another thread, but I couldn't find it, now its a council press release, but I can't find that either.

What I could find on the council website is...

65% of respondents supported the proposed changes to the Vogue Gyratory. Of these, 79% indicated that they were ‘local residents’.
• 63% supported the introduction of a bus and cycle lane, 79% again being local residents.
• 81% of those who supported the bus and cycle lane stated a preference for separate cycle and bus lanes as opposed to a combined facility.
• The original plans showed that all parking would be removed on Lewes Road south of Natal Road. These have now been adjusted to accommodate some short term parking to serve the local shops, together with disabled parking and a loading facility south of Coombe Road. A taxi rank would also be retained.

Metro Reader wrote:
So we get another 24 hour bus lane on a main route into/ and out of Brighton, that is just not needed. Why is it the a Minority green administration is allowed to destroy the city?? it time the tory and labour parties started to work together to rid Brighton once and for all of the greens before it’s too late.

It is too late they have already done the damage. They say they consulted residents but most people I know didn't bother responding because they knew that no matter what they said the Green Party would still go ahead with this scheme that could only have been thought up with by a complete idiot. This Green Party is totally against the motorist and hopefully at the next election will be decimated.

So the rest of the money is coming from where Hjarrs?
Now if it's the EU, it's an utter disgrace when we have hospitals in Greece without any medicines because the country is bankrupt and Italy and Spain are heading the same way. If that's the case it's even more morally bankrupt than the Green party who publish outright lies in their press releases.
Please don't tell me that's the case.
And as I have said this week and James above, there is one lane out at Coldean Lane at the moment and the traffic is queued all the way back to the Mouslecoomb bridge.
But not one of the Greens have got off thier arses and gone to see it for themselves.
They just don't care as long as they can drive their ideology through human beings.
They are morally and emotionally bankrupt as well as liars who use tax payers money to publish press statements which are downright lies.
Come on Warren Morgan get off your backside and do something to stop these councillors who are destroying honesty, democracy and decency.
Disgraceful.

keswick wrote:

Metro Reader wrote:
So we get another 24 hour bus lane on a main route into/ and out of Brighton, that is just not needed. Why is it the a Minority green administration is allowed to destroy the city?? it time the tory and labour parties started to work together to rid Brighton once and for all of the greens before it’s too late.

It is too late they have already done the damage. They say they consulted residents but most people I know didn't bother responding because they knew that no matter what they said the Green Party would still go ahead with this scheme that could only have been thought up with by a complete idiot. This Green Party is totally against the motorist and hopefully at the next election will be decimated.

Problem is, apparently it is only students that vote Green and the cyclepath goes to the Universities!

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
So the rest of the money is coming from where Hjarrs?
Now if it's the EU, it's an utter disgrace when we have hospitals in Greece without any medicines because the country is bankrupt and Italy and Spain are heading the same way. If that's the case it's even more morally bankrupt than the Green party who publish outright lies in their press releases.
Please don't tell me that's the case.
And as I have said this week and James above, there is one lane out at Coldean Lane at the moment and the traffic is queued all the way back to the Mouslecoomb bridge.
But not one of the Greens have got off thier arses and gone to see it for themselves.
They just don't care as long as they can drive their ideology through human beings.
They are morally and emotionally bankrupt as well as liars who use tax payers money to publish press statements which are downright lies.
Come on Warren Morgan get off your backside and do something to stop these councillors who are destroying honesty, democracy and decency.
Disgraceful.

Better look which way Warren votes! I will be. Remeber, Labour could choose to join up with the Tories anytime but do not. So I am afraid they are complicit.

So how do we encourage people to travel into and around our congested city other than by car? It is easy being critical, hard to produce solutions.

The proposed funding
is on this link http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/download
s/bhcc/transport/BHC
C_LSTF_Application_F
inal.pdf

What is the press release link?

HJarrs wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I cycle along the Lewes Road route every day.
When the Labour group were in power, they sent surveys to residents asking if they want an improvement to the gyratory and most said yes, because it's a disaster.
Then the Greens came in and told bare faced lies, stating that people wanted the Lewes Road to be a single lane in each direction for cycles.
They then undertook a survey of 31,000 residents, only 13 per cent responded.
Of the 4,000 or so responses, only 2,650 want the cycle/bus lane. 18 per cent of those who repsonded to the survey were not from the area, so we have no figures as to how many supporters of the scheme actually come from outside the area.
However, if you look on the B&H city council press release archive, you will see the most disgraceful piece of propoganda by the Greens which states: There is overwhelming support for the scheme.
That is an outright, blatant lie and a complete disregard for democracy and truth and I beleive the councillors who signed off that piece of propoganda should be censured for this disgraceful behaviour.

Look, you will have to post a link to this press release. You said it was a Green Party press release on another thread, but I couldn't find it, now its a council press release, but I can't find that either.

What I could find on the council website is...

65% of respondents supported the proposed changes to the Vogue Gyratory. Of these, 79% indicated that they were ‘local residents’.
• 63% supported the introduction of a bus and cycle lane, 79% again being local residents.
• 81% of those who supported the bus and cycle lane stated a preference for separate cycle and bus lanes as opposed to a combined facility.
• The original plans showed that all parking would be removed on Lewes Road south of Natal Road. These have now been adjusted to accommodate some short term parking to serve the local shops, together with disabled parking and a loading facility south of Coombe Road. A taxi rank would also be retained.

Maxwell is a cyclist, do not believe a word of what is written.

F and L supported adults having relationships with children last week.
I'd rather be a pedaler than a pedarist F in L.
As for you HJarrs, the press release would have been agreed by the party so they are complicit.
In fact I shall be sending it to Mr Pickles who got himself in a right pickle about the sort of propoganda being issued by all political parties at the tax payers' expense.
It's abuse of power.
As for the cycle lane this generation is shockingly selfish and parochial. People in Greece are asking their families in the UK to send medicines for illnesses suich as cancer as things are so bad there and here we are taking cash from the EU to close a lane on a road.
It is utter madness, like the pointless cycle counter, posts installed to charge cars which are never used.
Hjarrs, my mum and dad grew up in the war and sometimes didn't know if they would eat. The photos of their childhood are like something from the Victorian times.
They are utterly saddened and upset at the thoughtless waste of money us younger people allow when people are fighting for food and medicine in a modern world where it was promised this wouldn't happen ever again after the war.
I honestly don't know how some people can square this with their conscience.

I live in the Elm Grove area and use all forms of transport, including my feet and when I walk along the Lewes Rd. between the gyratory and Wild Park I can usually count the number of cyclists on the fingers of both hands. Cyclists should be catered for but they are such a small group that the measures being taken are way out of proportion. Also the idea of cyclists going behind bus shelters is a load of tosh, cyclists will cycle in a straight line whenever possible and if it means leaving the cycle lane and entering the bus area they will do it, if they ignore red lights they will ignore white lines

I live in the Elm Grove area and use all forms of transport, including my feet and when I walk along the Lewes Rd. between the gyratory and Wild Park I can usually count the number of cyclists on the fingers of both hands. Cyclists should be catered for but they are such a small group that the measures being taken are way out of proportion. Also the idea of cyclists going behind bus shelters is a load of tosh, cyclists will cycle in a straight line whenever possible and if it means leaving the cycle lane and entering the bus area they will do it, if they ignore red lights they will ignore white lines

and bill you are spot on. I commute along here daily and I am pushing to get to about 24mph to reach my destination within an hour, so I will not be using a bike lane which now bends behind bus stops and shares paths with dog walkers and kids. That is a cycle leisure path not a bike lane.
The current, flat, straight bike lane is brilliant and like many cycle commuters we will stay on the road and ignore the bike lane but what do the planners care about real cyclists instead of the odd cycle to the park on a Sunday.

Cycle lanes will run behind bus stops onto pavements o’ really so will cyclists take care to stop and give way to pedestrians or will they just ring there bike bell or shout telling you to get out of there way as if they have the right to ride there bikes anywhere they like or why dote they just overtake the bus wile its picking up passengers

I have live in this city all my life and I’ve never see a council that is so determined to destroy the growth of this city until the greens took control of our council so far to date the old shoreham Rd, London Rd, Dyke Rd and now Lewes Rd reduced to single lane traffic but by doing this to the main routs in and out of this city they the so so GREEN party are coursing pollution to the residents on these rousts not so green now are they.

This was sold to people as fixing the gyratory. Now that has been traffic modelled it won't work and has to be rethought. The reason, all those queued cars will also block the buses and everything else way into town....

But still it goes ahead despite:
- not working (as council itself says at gyratory)
- having very few responses so not having clear support
- introducing dangers such as the many turn rights from now single lane (cars will dart into bus lane as they do on other roads, great potential for accidents with fast moving buses) and pedestrians having to cross cycle lanes to get off buses (that's mad!)

Still, the path has been set. And yes, this could and should have been stopped by Labour and the Conservatives voting down Greens. However the traditional parties want to play the long game and show the Greens failing which they will on this. A great pity for residents and for the Greens who are falling into this easy trap....

Makes you despair of local politics!

wippasnapper, no cyclists wont share the path with pedestrians, we will continue to use the Lewes Road main carriageway on our bikes.
Why would I get up to speed on a flat, straight route as I do now and then start having to take a windy route involving pedestrians.
That's a really silly idea. A similar example of poor cycle lane planning is the Worthing stretch of the Sustrans route where the commuters stick to the main road and only the kiddies and mums pedal on the shared, windy path, which is generally empty.
Just plain silly.

oh and pushing cyclists off the main straight carriageway behind buses is because Roger French bought bendy buses which don't fit in the bus stops. When the buses stop, their rear ends stick out across the cycle lane pushing cyclists into the traffic.
Pushing the cycles behind the bus stops means he has got the route he wants for these dreadful vehicles which were deemed unsafe in london.
However, I and cycling commuters will still use the main carriageway, so it will be interesting if the council use a traffic order banning cycles from the bus lane.
However, we could still use the outside lane as the council would not have the power to ban us from the public highway.
I saw transport engineers at the Avenue junction at bevendean last week.
As I suspected they were watching the traffic trying to turn right out of this junction onto the Lewes Road which is challenging now but will be impossible without a filter traffic light system with the new system.
If they install new lights here they will be about four metres from a newly installed pedestrian crossing so even more congestion.
It's almost comical but I don't suppose we will see the likes of red face Randall on a bike or Kitty Kat get out of his Regency litter tray.
They just don't care about local people as long as they can drive their ideology through people's lives.

HJarrs wrote:

bug eye wrote:
assume the bike lanes are for the benefit of the students therefore any student who signs up to uni in the city should sign up to not owning a car, and the hanover/lewes rd/elm grove area should be put into a control parking zone. assume the bus lanes are for the benefit of brighton and hove buses therefore I hope they are coughing up half the cost. as for the vogue gyratory it seems to work fine just needs beautifying. the problem will is and will continue to be the loss of usable lanes and will never be solved in a tourist city. shame the opposition is not standing up for the electorate and booting this experimental council out whilst we still have a thriving city. any tourist city needs to be friendly to the car, businesses and landlords to supply homes, but this council seem set on irradicating all three. they will be happy when we have empty streets, shops and residents sleeping on the streets.

If I understand the scheme correctly, the proposal is that the council will put £590k towards the £6million scheme, so levering in £10 for every £1 spent. B&H buses are putting up £400k.

I can't quite agree with you on the Vogue Gyratory, I think it is a deathtrap and certainly not pedestrian friendly.

But why don't you think your opposition councillors don't vote this down as they are in the majority? It might be that they agree with it, but want the Greens to take the flack as making the changes will result in temporary disruption. But then as usual nobody can give a reason why anyone should actually support the other parties.

One point (for HJarrs). As a pedestrian (not bus user, cyclist or motorist) I can say there is nothing wrong with the Gyratory. Every road has a pedestrian crossing and it is easy and quick to get from one point to another. I cannot think of a single thing that could be improved and a 'deathtrap' it ain't. (How many pedestrians have been killed there out of interest?)

PS - As a Fiveways resident I was sent one of the consultation forms. I didn't return it as it was cleverly structured in such a way that to oppose the changes was akin to saying that you didn't care about road safety. It was obvious they'd made up their minds what they wanted to do and structured the document accordingly.

This scheme is guaranteed to back up traffic on the A27, and stationary traffic on the by-pass is never a good idea. Maybe remonstrations to the Highways Agency will get these road changes (they're never improvements!) altered as they will have a severe impact on traffic flow on the A27. Or is too late and we all need to go back to the horse and cart to shop at a supermarket?

And on the issue of cycle lanes, I drove along the Old Shoreham Road last evening during rush hour. I got held up in a few stationary queues of cars because of the designer constrictions and then I spotted a SINGLE cyclist using the £1mill cycle lane. I hope she appreciated the money that was spent ! Now we have an even worse road design being inflicted on Lewes Road.

salty pete, I was out in that torrential rain last night cycling home and I can tell you that no serious commuter cyclist will use a lane which undulates with the pavement and also crosses the bumpy disabled crossings - if you are on a road bike, with slim tyres, you do not use these lanes because they are dangerous when wet.
But no one takes a blind bit of notice. Just like motorists, and i am also one of those, I want a good surface with traction.
The bloody while lines and bike symbols also become slippery.
When this scheme is started, I am making an FoI request for all the staff names of those involved and I will publish their names so when there's an accident, we can take personal action against those who are ignoring the public.
Why doesn't the council hold a focus group with cyclists and ask them wnhat they want instead of asking people like HJarrs (who lives in Hanover and walks into town asnd occassionally cycles to the park) what we really want.
I cannot believe that this council does not engage adequately with the real users but I guess now they have funding they will spend it.
It's just digraceful.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
salty pete, I was out in that torrential rain last night cycling home and I can tell you that no serious commuter cyclist will use a lane which undulates with the pavement and also crosses the bumpy disabled crossings - if you are on a road bike, with slim tyres, you do not use these lanes because they are dangerous when wet. But no one takes a blind bit of notice. Just like motorists, and i am also one of those, I want a good surface with traction. The bloody while lines and bike symbols also become slippery. When this scheme is started, I am making an FoI request for all the staff names of those involved and I will publish their names so when there's an accident, we can take personal action against those who are ignoring the public. Why doesn't the council hold a focus group with cyclists and ask them wnhat they want instead of asking people like HJarrs (who lives in Hanover and walks into town asnd occassionally cycles to the park) what we really want. I cannot believe that this council does not engage adequately with the real users but I guess now they have funding they will spend it. It's just digraceful.

Cycling groups have been involved. Here is a link to the Bricycles / CTC response...

http://www.bricycles
.org.uk/index.php?op
tion=com_content&tas
k=view&id=34&Itemid=
74

The proposal for cycle lanes on the Lewes Rd is sound but can be undone by poor design by council officers and consultants. Every administration (apart from the last Conservative one) has expanded the cyclepath network. Pretty much every part of that expansion has been compromised by poor design. Hence, instead of concentrating on stopping the development, concentrate on making it work.

As commented above, there are not that many people cycling up the Lewes Rd and the reason is that it is dreadful. Provide good quality infrastructure and that will change. We do want it to change don't we?

No one should be surprised the greens are anti-road - from their own transport policy pointer document:

"New roads can take business and jobs away to more distant facilities, leaving a degraded town centre with more unemployment. "

They want to lock people into their local communities - stone age tribes.

Cut Brighton off from the rest of the country - nothing in, nothing out.

Of course the rich will always be mobile, so its only we plebs they want to put in their pol-pot inspired 'year zero' concentration camps.

Oh and from their 'small business' policy pointer document

"Small businesses depend on good roads. Don’t you oppose new roads?

Small businesses mainly depend on local roads. We oppose the construction of unnecessary trunk routes that make it easy for huge multi-nationals to compete in local markets."

So rich can buy cheap (they are always mobile) while the poor are at the mercy of local monopolies.

HJarrs, the Lewes Road from Coombe Road to the unis is NOT dreadful.
The Lewes Road from Elm Grove to the Gyaratory is.
I use it every day, about 300 plus days a year so feel my experience probably outweighs yours.
The survey did not ask people why they didn't cycle so that is based on your personal comment.
As I said, I've had 44 students live next door to me in a decade. Only two cycled. Every time I ask why they choose taxis or buses they say that the hills in the town are too steep to encourage them to cycle.
I cycle up Bear or Coombe Road every day. It is for the tough and keen and you cannot change topography.

HJarrs, the Lewes Road from Coombe Road to the unis is NOT dreadful.
The Lewes Road from Elm Grove to the Gyaratory is.
I use it every day, about 300 plus days a year so feel my experience probably outweighs yours.
The survey did not ask people why they didn't cycle so that is based on your personal comment.
As I said, I've had 44 students live next door to me in a decade. Only two cycled. Every time I ask why they choose taxis or buses they say that the hills in the town are too steep to encourage them to cycle.
I cycle up Bear or Coombe Road every day. It is for the tough and keen and you cannot change topography.