Protest outside Brighton shop concerns Israeli Embassy (From The Argus)

the best way to counter protest would be to go in the shop and buy something.

If people are happy with the source of these products then fine people have a right to buy them. But many people in Brighton (including Jason Kitcat) were unaware of the origin of the goods this shop sells and hopefully by Christmas everyone will know and they can make their own informed choice whether to buy them or not.

Tony Greenstein is right: the Israeli Embassy has no right to interfere in this matter, and should keep out of it. If they wish, they can make a public statement disagreeing with the protesters' point of view. (Though I suspect that their apparent sensitivity to this protest may indicate that there's something in it.)

The anti-Israel protestors have every right to protest. They have no right whatsoever to deprive this business of trade.

BTW, don't we have plenty of problems in this country that we should be addressing first rather than worrying about something so far away? if the protestors have an issue, let them go to Israel and protest there. No-one is listening here.

bruce_ wrote:
Tony Greenstein is right: the Israeli Embassy has no right to interfere in this matter, and should keep out of it. If they wish, they can make a public statement disagreeing with the protesters' point of view. (Though I suspect that their apparent sensitivity to this protest may indicate that there's something in it.)

When you say they have no right, what do you mean?

gaz scott wrote:
If people are happy with the source of these products then fine people have a right to buy them. But many people in Brighton (including Jason Kitcat) were unaware of the origin of the goods this shop sells and hopefully by Christmas everyone will know and they can make their own informed choice whether to buy them or not.

What does it matter whether Jason Kitkat knows anything about this business?

Plantpot wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
If people are happy with the source of these products then fine people have a right to buy them. But many people in Brighton (including Jason Kitcat) were unaware of the origin of the goods this shop sells and hopefully by Christmas everyone will know and they can make their own informed choice whether to buy them or not.

What does it matter whether Jason Kitkat knows anything about this business?

He turned up for their publicity when they opened. He has since said that at the time he did not realise that the goods were from Settlements in occupied land.

Plantpot wrote:
The anti-Israel protestors have every right to protest. They have no right whatsoever to deprive this business of trade.

BTW, don't we have plenty of problems in this country that we should be addressing first rather than worrying about something so far away? if the protestors have an issue, let them go to Israel and protest there. No-one is listening here.

So how are they depriving the shop of trade if no one is listening?

I am grateful to the protesters for bringing this to my attention. I would never want to support a company that discriminates against any group of people simply because of their ethnic origins, and especially in their own birth place!

I suspect that when Tony Greenstein says that contact between the police and the Israeli Embassy is "outrageous" what he actually means is that it's outrageous that the police happen to talk to someone or something that, for the present, he doesn't agree with. Or he's just engaging in a bit of not uncommon rhetoric to keep his name in the local press. Make your own mind up. Seems like there's more than a little god old-fashioned anti-semitism going on here. Shame.

"A spokeswoman said the company had no links with counter-protesters, who have started heckling the demonstrators at the Saturday lunchtime protests"....

Given this statement, it's a fair assumption also that pigs might fly...

Although the embassy will have probably told sussex police to deny any sightings!

I AM IN ISRAEL ENJOYING SOME WONDERFUL WEATHER WITH SOME LOVELY PEOPLE.

THE ECOSTREAM SHOP SELLS SOME GREAT PRODUCTS AND THE STAFF ARE EXTREMELY POLITE UNLIKE GREENSTEIN AND HIS CRONIES.

THANK YOU FOR ADVISING ME THAT THERE ARE COUNTER DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST TONY GREENSTEIN AS I WILL COME ALONG ON SATURDAY AFTERNOONS TO JOIN
THEM. SEE YOU THERE.

Thanks for printing this - now I know about this company and it's rotten background, I will never step foot inside or buy anything from it.

Ish1 wrote:
I AM IN ISRAEL ENJOYING SOME WONDERFUL WEATHER WITH SOME LOVELY PEOPLE.

THE ECOSTREAM SHOP SELLS SOME GREAT PRODUCTS AND THE STAFF ARE EXTREMELY POLITE UNLIKE GREENSTEIN AND HIS CRONIES.

THANK YOU FOR ADVISING ME THAT THERE ARE COUNTER DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST TONY GREENSTEIN AS I WILL COME ALONG ON SATURDAY AFTERNOONS TO JOIN
THEM. SEE YOU THERE.

GREENSTEIN is a Jewish orthodox secondly why is it Israelis are so keen to remind use all of the Holocaust when in fact some Jew’s in Israel are doing the same thing to the Palestinians O’ but I bet you as a Jewish person you dote see it like that. But what Hitler did to your people Israel is doing to the Palestinians FACT!

So what’s your problem with a peaceful demonstration?

These protests were completely unnecessary. I pass by this shop every day and it's always empty. Had the protesters waited 3 more months and the place would've closed by itself. Now it has been given a lot of free publicity.

By the way, I have noticed nobody has denied the factory in the settlement exists. Must be true then. Not that I care much, I was never interested in shopping there anyway.

Glad i have seen this article.I will now make a point of buying something in this shop just to annoy these irritatingly pious,vegan-eating,a
nally pc,organically wholemeal,fair trade wearing whiny political busy bodies who are nothing more then Green facists.

boundsgreenboyz wrote:
Glad i have seen this article.I will now make a point of buying something in this shop just to annoy these irritatingly pious,vegan-eating,a

nally pc,organically wholemeal,fair trade wearing whiny political busy bodies who are nothing more then Green facists.

It's not annoying at all if you want to spend your money in this shop. It's your choice and your money.

How do you know all the protesters are green or what they eat and wear?

I thought that the kind of person you describe was exactly the market this company were trying to appeal to.

Ish1 wrote:
Ish1 says...
3:26pm Sun 7 Oct 12

I AM IN ISRAEL ENJOYING SOME WONDERFUL WEATHER WITH SOME LOVELY PEOPLE.

THE ECOSTREAM SHOP SELLS SOME GREAT PRODUCTS AND THE STAFF ARE EXTREMELY POLITE UNLIKE GREENSTEIN AND HIS CRONIES.

THANK YOU FOR ADVISING ME THAT THERE ARE COUNTER DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST TONY GREENSTEIN AS I WILL COME ALONG ON SATURDAY AFTERNOONS TO JOIN
THEM. SEE YOU THERE.”

If you do come please don't SHOUT.

Only loons leave the Caps Lock on.

I had the frustration of walking past this bunch of disheveled miscreants who were obstructing the pavement and seemed oblivious to the needs of the general public going about their lawful business.

Now don't confuse me for a fanatical member of the EDL, however when I last looked, this is England. Yes England.

In England we worry about English things.

If the matters that these miscreants seem happy to disturb the English public about are so important to them, I respectfully suggest that they take the price of a one way air ticket to a travel agent and leave England behind as soon as possible.

They won't be missed!

"A spokeswoman said the company had no links with counter-protesters, who have started heckling the demonstrators at the Saturday lunchtime protests"

Not true, the company sent a representative to egg on the counter-protesters a couple of weeks ago.

I had the frustration of walking past this bunch of disheveled miscreants who were obstructing the pavement and seemed oblivious to the needs of the general public going about their lawful business.

Now don't confuse me for a fanatical member of the EDL, however when I last looked, this is England. Yes England.

In England we worry about English things.

If the matters that these miscreants seem happy to disturb the English public about are so important to them, I respectfully suggest that they take the price of a one way air ticket to a travel agent and leave England behind as soon as possible.

They won't be missed!

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:
I had the frustration of walking past this bunch of disheveled miscreants who were obstructing the pavement and seemed oblivious to the needs of the general public going about their lawful business.

Now don't confuse me for a fanatical member of the EDL, however when I last looked, this is England. Yes England.

In England we worry about English things.

If the matters that these miscreants seem happy to disturb the English public about are so important to them, I respectfully suggest that they take the price of a one way air ticket to a travel agent and leave England behind as soon as possible.

They won't be missed!

Really not quite sure who you think the miscreants are. Is it the protesters or the counter-protesters?

I think from what you say (slightly nationalistic I have to say) it might be the counter-protesters you object to. But they really do have every right to be there even if they do support the sale of dodgy goods (in my opinion) from outside the UK.

I am happy that a proportion of the gay communist vegan nutter brigade are tied up for a while. Whilst I know in Brighton we have plenty more, every little helps.

There are a few more companies enjoying the products from Israel in Brighton and surrounding areas, and don't forget that the US company Stanley get all their plastic boxes made in Israel, check the sticker out underneath their toolboxes, I don't buy Stanley products any more on principal.

Dave At Home wrote:
There are a few more companies enjoying the products from Israel in Brighton and surrounding areas, and don't forget that the US company Stanley get all their plastic boxes made in Israel, check the sticker out underneath their toolboxes, I don't buy Stanley products any more on principal.

Thanks for the information. Fellow contributor "Somethingsarejustwr
ong" will no doubt be grateful for the info too since he seems to have his own slightly strange "English thing" going on.

It is of course everyone's right to go into the shop and buy something. Just as it was within one's right to break the Jewish and Labour Movement boycott of Nazi Germany in 1939. But it took until Krystalnacht in 1938 before HC Andrews and others resigned from the Anglo-German Fellowship and stopped buying German. By that time the Jews were on the way to being segregated and pauperised (& incidentally the mentally handicapped were being rounded up for extermination first).

So yes, you don't have to have a conscience but it does help if you are civilised.

The counterdemonstrators consists to a large extent of Christian fundamentalists who believe that Palestine was given to the Jews 3,500 years ago by god, even though most Jews wanted nothing to do with it. No doubt if some tribe finds out god promised England to them about the same time then Ish1 and counterparts will also make way.

It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. I had a couple of the ZIonists say to me that when I was circumcised they threw the wrong part away. Just the kind of 'joke' that the NF used to make. It shows what we are up against.

And don't generalise about us being vegan greens etc. I'm a carnivore. In other words stop trying to find every prejudice under the sun, although I do feel guilty at eating meat if that's any consolation.

Maybe if you were a Bedouin tribesman whose family had lived for hundreds of years in Mishor Adumim and now you were thrown out by the army to make way for the settlement where the factory is based you'd think differently.

In fact in the 1930's, as you'll find out if you read my book (!) there was widespread support for the anti-Nazi boycott, even including Oxford Street. Morality is indivisible. One reason people are getting trashed by Cameron (yes Clegg's mansion tax has been kicked into touch) is that they have no guiding principles. So they can't complain when what is done to others is done to them.

What I do think is outrageous is that the Israeli government, which tortures 95% of Palestinian detainees and shackles with leg irons kids aged 12, should be trying to get the police to stop the demonstrations. What business is it of theirs?

I oppose what happens to the Palestinians precisely because people did the same to the Jews. These Christian fundies want the Jews to 'return' to Palestine in order that they are consumed in the fires of Armageddon and they can go to heaven in the Rapture!

But then these 'Christians' seem to like the Old Testament over the newer version so it's not too surprising.

It's also not surprising that Mike Weatherley has stuck his oar in. Not content with having the homeless imprisoned he's now turning his attention to a shop that sells stolen goods.

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:
I had the frustration of walking past this bunch of disheveled miscreants who were obstructing the pavement and seemed oblivious to the needs of the general public going about their lawful business.

Now don't confuse me for a fanatical member of the EDL, however when I last looked, this is England. Yes England.

In England we worry about English things.

If the matters that these miscreants seem happy to disturb the English public about are so important to them, I respectfully suggest that they take the price of a one way air ticket to a travel agent and leave England behind as soon as possible.

They won't be missed!

Really not quite sure who you think the miscreants are. Is it the protesters or the counter-protesters?

I think from what you say (slightly nationalistic I have to say) it might be the counter-protesters you object to. But they really do have every right to be there even if they do support the sale of dodgy goods (in my opinion) from outside the UK.

You seem to need help, so let me help you, using the 'this is the house that jack built' analogy.

There used to be a shop selling frozen foods on that corner (which relocated to Hove) and there were no scruffy, disheveled miscreants protesting and blocking the pavement at that time.

Then came the new shop.

Then came the scruffy disheveled and disgraceful protesters, who now cause nuisance and block the pavements.

Then and quite rightly come the people who are fed up of these scruffy disheveled protesters causing a nuisance.

Immediate solution - Prevent the scruffy, disheveled anti-shop protesters from causing a nuisance.

Long term solution - This is England,if the scruffy and disheveled anti-shop protesters are so worried about another country then why not go live there.

There you go Gaz, perhaps even you can now understand!

tonygreenstein wrote:
It is of course everyone's right to go into the shop and buy something. Just as it was within one's right to break the Jewish and Labour Movement boycott of Nazi Germany in 1939. But it took until Krystalnacht in 1938 before HC Andrews and others resigned from the Anglo-German Fellowship and stopped buying German. By that time the Jews were on the way to being segregated and pauperised (& incidentally the mentally handicapped were being rounded up for extermination first).

So yes, you don't have to have a conscience but it does help if you are civilised.

The counterdemonstrators consists to a large extent of Christian fundamentalists who believe that Palestine was given to the Jews 3,500 years ago by god, even though most Jews wanted nothing to do with it. No doubt if some tribe finds out god promised England to them about the same time then Ish1 and counterparts will also make way.

It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. I had a couple of the ZIonists say to me that when I was circumcised they threw the wrong part away. Just the kind of 'joke' that the NF used to make. It shows what we are up against.

And don't generalise about us being vegan greens etc. I'm a carnivore. In other words stop trying to find every prejudice under the sun, although I do feel guilty at eating meat if that's any consolation.

Maybe if you were a Bedouin tribesman whose family had lived for hundreds of years in Mishor Adumim and now you were thrown out by the army to make way for the settlement where the factory is based you'd think differently.

In fact in the 1930's, as you'll find out if you read my book (!) there was widespread support for the anti-Nazi boycott, even including Oxford Street. Morality is indivisible. One reason people are getting trashed by Cameron (yes Clegg's mansion tax has been kicked into touch) is that they have no guiding principles. So they can't complain when what is done to others is done to them.

What I do think is outrageous is that the Israeli government, which tortures 95% of Palestinian detainees and shackles with leg irons kids aged 12, should be trying to get the police to stop the demonstrations. What business is it of theirs?

I oppose what happens to the Palestinians precisely because people did the same to the Jews. These Christian fundies want the Jews to 'return' to Palestine in order that they are consumed in the fires of Armageddon and they can go to heaven in the Rapture!

But then these 'Christians' seem to like the Old Testament over the newer version so it's not too surprising.

It's also not surprising that Mike Weatherley has stuck his oar in. Not content with having the homeless imprisoned he's now turning his attention to a shop that sells stolen goods.

If you really are one of the scruffy and disheveled protesters, please stop, the good people of Brighton simply don't need your sort ruining the city.

If you are so passionate about something that has no bearing or consequence for the mast majority of the English people, get on a plane to the place which seemingly is your spiritual home and stay there.

In the spirit of providing you with feedback your comments are nothing more than a useless trail of incomprehensible gibberish and you would do well to stop posting should you wish to avoid further erosion of what little credibility you have.

Please don't feel the need to respond unless you wish to share the details of your one way flight ticket with us.

Many thanks

The people of Brighton (and England) are a lot more interested and informed about injustice wherever it occurs in the world than the dumbed-down Little Englander above gives them credit for - the leafleting so far has met with a mostly positive response.

These type of protestors are the main reason why a lot of us British folk don't support their protests. And seriously? A soda stream shop in Brighton? Hardcore...
Why not go and protest outside the embassy? Or maybe the suppliers to the shop? Im sure the shops next door would be grateful, or is depriving them of buisness acceptable to these 'fair rights protestors' ?

You couldn't manage a sound argument then Somethingsarejust wrong?
We should all shut up then and go home and never look at what's going on around us and beyond our own front gate. What a nice little recipe for compliant citizens in this f*****d up world. Now where does that remind me of?

People in Brighton have a right to to know where their consumer goods come from and if they are ethically produced. The demonstrators are informing the public so they can make a choice about whether to buy Sodastream products or not. As the Police have said, people in this country have a right to peaceful protest, and it is none of the israeli embassy's business to interfere in our rights, (as reported in the Argus on Saturday) especially to support a business based in one of their illegal settlements.

tony greenstein is an extremist political loony who has spent his sad life doing anything to damage & hurt Israel. He if full of malice prejudice & hate. For evidence I would urge you to read his blog !. What really upsets him is Israel's economic success. Even the computer he uses undoubtly uses Israeli know how.
What we must protest about are Palestinian crimes aginst humanity. An Amnesty Int report this week revealed how their political prisoners are routinely tortured & executed. We must protest about Palestinian apartheid policies & their attempts to ethnically clean Israel & relocate all Israelis into the sea.
We must demand Palestinians sit down & talk peace with Israel, & untill they do so we as British taxpayers no longer provide financial aid via the EEC, whilst their violence continues.
Finally we should boycott all Syrian shops untill they stop kiliing innocent Arab civilians - 50,000 + to date. Let's organise a demo in Brighton tony greenstein !

hursthill wrote:
tony greenstein is an extremist political loony who has spent his sad life doing anything to damage & hurt Israel. He if full of malice prejudice & hate. For evidence I would urge you to read his blog !. What really upsets him is Israel's economic success. Even the computer he uses undoubtly uses Israeli know how.
What we must protest about are Palestinian crimes aginst humanity. An Amnesty Int report this week revealed how their political prisoners are routinely tortured & executed. We must protest about Palestinian apartheid policies & their attempts to ethnically clean Israel & relocate all Israelis into the sea.
We must demand Palestinians sit down & talk peace with Israel, & untill they do so we as British taxpayers no longer provide financial aid via the EEC, whilst their violence continues.
Finally we should boycott all Syrian shops untill they stop kiliing innocent Arab civilians - 50,000 + to date. Let's organise a demo in Brighton tony greenstein !

Most fair minded and informed people would agree with hursthill's comments above.

I feel uncomfortable with the ongoing attempts to try to demonise Israel by the usual ' suspects'

Israel from what i have read seems to be the only western, liberal, democratic and truly free country out of all the countries in the middle east.

According to stats, over 99% of all Arab/ Muslim civilians killed over the last 10 years have been killed by other Arab/ Muslim militia / extremists etc and nothing to do with Israel.

So why do some people keep going on about Israel ? Seems to me because they are either very badly informed or just plain bigoted.

Wouldn't the protesters time & effort be much better served by protesting outside the factory in an attempt to persuade the oppressed workers to withdraw their labour?

But then again this time next year I think we will all have a lot more to worry about in the middle east.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
It is of course everyone's right to go into the shop and buy something. Just as it was within one's right to break the Jewish and Labour Movement boycott of Nazi Germany in 1939. But it took until Krystalnacht in 1938 before HC Andrews and others resigned from the Anglo-German Fellowship and stopped buying German. By that time the Jews were on the way to being segregated and pauperised (& incidentally the mentally handicapped were being rounded up for extermination first).

So yes, you don't have to have a conscience but it does help if you are civilised.

The counterdemonstrators consists to a large extent of Christian fundamentalists who believe that Palestine was given to the Jews 3,500 years ago by god, even though most Jews wanted nothing to do with it. No doubt if some tribe finds out god promised England to them about the same time then Ish1 and counterparts will also make way.

It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. I had a couple of the ZIonists say to me that when I was circumcised they threw the wrong part away. Just the kind of 'joke' that the NF used to make. It shows what we are up against.

And don't generalise about us being vegan greens etc. I'm a carnivore. In other words stop trying to find every prejudice under the sun, although I do feel guilty at eating meat if that's any consolation.

Maybe if you were a Bedouin tribesman whose family had lived for hundreds of years in Mishor Adumim and now you were thrown out by the army to make way for the settlement where the factory is based you'd think differently.

In fact in the 1930's, as you'll find out if you read my book (!) there was widespread support for the anti-Nazi boycott, even including Oxford Street. Morality is indivisible. One reason people are getting trashed by Cameron (yes Clegg's mansion tax has been kicked into touch) is that they have no guiding principles. So they can't complain when what is done to others is done to them.

What I do think is outrageous is that the Israeli government, which tortures 95% of Palestinian detainees and shackles with leg irons kids aged 12, should be trying to get the police to stop the demonstrations. What business is it of theirs?

I oppose what happens to the Palestinians precisely because people did the same to the Jews. These Christian fundies want the Jews to 'return' to Palestine in order that they are consumed in the fires of Armageddon and they can go to heaven in the Rapture!

But then these 'Christians' seem to like the Old Testament over the newer version so it's not too surprising.

It's also not surprising that Mike Weatherley has stuck his oar in. Not content with having the homeless imprisoned he's now turning his attention to a shop that sells stolen goods.

If you really are one of the scruffy and disheveled protesters, please stop, the good people of Brighton simply don't need your sort ruining the city.

If you are so passionate about something that has no bearing or consequence for the mast majority of the English people, get on a plane to the place which seemingly is your spiritual home and stay there.

In the spirit of providing you with feedback your comments are nothing more than a useless trail of incomprehensible gibberish and you would do well to stop posting should you wish to avoid further erosion of what little credibility you have.

Please don't feel the need to respond unless you wish to share the details of your one way flight ticket with us.

Many thanks

More Somethingsarejustwro
ng (aka Bladesboy) verbiage.

Why do you have to use ten words where one would do? It doesn't make what you say any more valid (although I'm sure you think it does).

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:
I had the frustration of walking past this bunch of disheveled miscreants who were obstructing the pavement and seemed oblivious to the needs of the general public going about their lawful business.

Now don't confuse me for a fanatical member of the EDL, however when I last looked, this is England. Yes England.

In England we worry about English things.

If the matters that these miscreants seem happy to disturb the English public about are so important to them, I respectfully suggest that they take the price of a one way air ticket to a travel agent and leave England behind as soon as possible.

They won't be missed!

Really not quite sure who you think the miscreants are. Is it the protesters or the counter-protesters?

I think from what you say (slightly nationalistic I have to say) it might be the counter-protesters you object to. But they really do have every right to be there even if they do support the sale of dodgy goods (in my opinion) from outside the UK.

You seem to need help, so let me help you, using the 'this is the house that jack built' analogy.

There used to be a shop selling frozen foods on that corner (which relocated to Hove) and there were no scruffy, disheveled miscreants protesting and blocking the pavement at that time.

Then came the new shop.

Then came the scruffy disheveled and disgraceful protesters, who now cause nuisance and block the pavements.

Then and quite rightly come the people who are fed up of these scruffy disheveled protesters causing a nuisance.

Immediate solution - Prevent the scruffy, disheveled anti-shop protesters from causing a nuisance.

Long term solution - This is England,if the scruffy and disheveled anti-shop protesters are so worried about another country then why not go live there.

There you go Gaz, perhaps even you can now understand!

Nice to see you've finally grasped the concept of cause and effect.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:
I had the frustration of walking past this bunch of disheveled miscreants who were obstructing the pavement and seemed oblivious to the needs of the general public going about their lawful business.

Now don't confuse me for a fanatical member of the EDL, however when I last looked, this is England. Yes England.

In England we worry about English things.

If the matters that these miscreants seem happy to disturb the English public about are so important to them, I respectfully suggest that they take the price of a one way air ticket to a travel agent and leave England behind as soon as possible.

They won't be missed!

Really not quite sure who you think the miscreants are. Is it the protesters or the counter-protesters?

I think from what you say (slightly nationalistic I have to say) it might be the counter-protesters you object to. But they really do have every right to be there even if they do support the sale of dodgy goods (in my opinion) from outside the UK.

You seem to need help, so let me help you, using the 'this is the house that jack built' analogy.

There used to be a shop selling frozen foods on that corner (which relocated to Hove) and there were no scruffy, disheveled miscreants protesting and blocking the pavement at that time.

Then came the new shop.

Then came the scruffy disheveled and disgraceful protesters, who now cause nuisance and block the pavements.

Then and quite rightly come the people who are fed up of these scruffy disheveled protesters causing a nuisance.

Immediate solution - Prevent the scruffy, disheveled anti-shop protesters from causing a nuisance.

Long term solution - This is England,if the scruffy and disheveled anti-shop protesters are so worried about another country then why not go live there.

There you go Gaz, perhaps even you can now understand!

Nice to see you've finally grasped the concept of cause and effect.

In this country everyone has the right to peaceful protest. However as part of protest you must also be prepared to face severe critisism along with the desired publicity.
I would be interested in knowing if the Hove location is in fact the head office, i.e. If anyone there has any shareholding or decision making power over the business?
Personally I think the energy aimed at protesting the business is misguided in this case. This is not a WTO/anti-corporation protest, it is a Israel-Palestine one. Surely the resources employed here would be more effectively used by going directly to say protesting outside the Israeli embassy? On the other hand, if you want to protest human rights, the human rights abuses of China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, or any of a number of African States grossly outweigh those of Israel.
But in any case, a company with such poor CSR awareness deserves little sympathy, particularly if they put "eco" in their name!

boundsgreenboyz wrote:
Glad i have seen this article.I will now make a point of buying something in this shop just to annoy these irritatingly pious,vegan-eating,a

nally pc,organically wholemeal,fair trade wearing whiny political busy bodies who are nothing more then Green facists.

So will I just out of spite. I'm like that. Anything that upsets people like this, I'm all for it. I don't care what it is, or on which part of the political spectrum it is, I won't let unwashed hippy scum dictate to me what I can buy, or who from.

Apparently Somethingswrong is too busy spouting nonsense about the English to say anything about a foreign country meddling in our own internal affairs.

tonygreenstein wrote:
It is of course everyone's right to go into the shop and buy something. Just as it was within one's right to break the Jewish and Labour Movement boycott of Nazi Germany in 1939. But it took until Krystalnacht in 1938 before HC Andrews and others resigned from the Anglo-German Fellowship and stopped buying German. By that time the Jews were on the way to being segregated and pauperised (& incidentally the mentally handicapped were being rounded up for extermination first).

So yes, you don't have to have a conscience but it does help if you are civilised.

The counterdemonstrators consists to a large extent of Christian fundamentalists who believe that Palestine was given to the Jews 3,500 years ago by god, even though most Jews wanted nothing to do with it. No doubt if some tribe finds out god promised England to them about the same time then Ish1 and counterparts will also make way.

It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. I had a couple of the ZIonists say to me that when I was circumcised they threw the wrong part away. Just the kind of 'joke' that the NF used to make. It shows what we are up against.

And don't generalise about us being vegan greens etc. I'm a carnivore. In other words stop trying to find every prejudice under the sun, although I do feel guilty at eating meat if that's any consolation.

Maybe if you were a Bedouin tribesman whose family had lived for hundreds of years in Mishor Adumim and now you were thrown out by the army to make way for the settlement where the factory is based you'd think differently.

In fact in the 1930's, as you'll find out if you read my book (!) there was widespread support for the anti-Nazi boycott, even including Oxford Street. Morality is indivisible. One reason people are getting trashed by Cameron (yes Clegg's mansion tax has been kicked into touch) is that they have no guiding principles. So they can't complain when what is done to others is done to them.

What I do think is outrageous is that the Israeli government, which tortures 95% of Palestinian detainees and shackles with leg irons kids aged 12, should be trying to get the police to stop the demonstrations. What business is it of theirs?

I oppose what happens to the Palestinians precisely because people did the same to the Jews. These Christian fundies want the Jews to 'return' to Palestine in order that they are consumed in the fires of Armageddon and they can go to heaven in the Rapture!

But then these 'Christians' seem to like the Old Testament over the newer version so it's not too surprising.

It's also not surprising that Mike Weatherley has stuck his oar in. Not content with having the homeless imprisoned he's now turning his attention to a shop that sells stolen goods.

Go boil yer heid.

It doesn't surprise me that Hursthill has added his 1/2 penny worth since he seems to have been put out many years ago by me!

However to Gaz Scott and others. You may imagine that you can live in a shell and be little Englanders but capitalism isn't like that. Capital migrates to wherever it is more profitable so people are put on the dole whilst call centres are established in the Philipenes, India etc. In other words you are a caricature of reality.

Whilst a few people hold real power in this society, the Osbornes and their mates, they get the more deluded middle classes fighting over their prejudices.

Israel is not a democracy it is an ethnocracy. It rules over 4 million Palestinians and has done for 45 years. It denies most basic rights even to those Arabs who weren't expelled in 1948. Systematic discrimination in education, land, benefits. No Jewish village is unrecognised. Half of Palestinian ones are. The Bedouin of the Negev are ethnically cleansed to make way for Jewish settlements and Jerusalem is also being ethnically cleansed, not least of Palestinian Christians.

Does international solidarity matter? Yes it's a sign that people think and act outside their box. Most passers by are supportive. Of course there are always a few bigots, most of whom seem to be on this list.

But if some people don't like the exercise of the right to protest, with the usual caricatures are 'scruffy' then there is a simple solution. Emigrate to one of the world's many police states!

tonygreenstein wrote:
It doesn't surprise me that Hursthill has added his 1/2 penny worth since he seems to have been put out many years ago by me!

However to Gaz Scott and others. You may imagine that you can live in a shell and be little Englanders but capitalism isn't like that. Capital migrates to wherever it is more profitable so people are put on the dole whilst call centres are established in the Philipenes, India etc. In other words you are a caricature of reality.

Whilst a few people hold real power in this society, the Osbornes and their mates, they get the more deluded middle classes fighting over their prejudices.

Israel is not a democracy it is an ethnocracy. It rules over 4 million Palestinians and has done for 45 years. It denies most basic rights even to those Arabs who weren't expelled in 1948. Systematic discrimination in education, land, benefits. No Jewish village is unrecognised. Half of Palestinian ones are. The Bedouin of the Negev are ethnically cleansed to make way for Jewish settlements and Jerusalem is also being ethnically cleansed, not least of Palestinian Christians.

Does international solidarity matter? Yes it's a sign that people think and act outside their box. Most passers by are supportive. Of course there are always a few bigots, most of whom seem to be on this list.

But if some people don't like the exercise of the right to protest, with the usual caricatures are 'scruffy' then there is a simple solution. Emigrate to one of the world's many police states!

"However to Gaz Scott and others". Ehem I fully support the boycott and the protests against this foul establishment. Please reread my posts.

PorkBoat wrote:

boundsgreenboyz wrote:
Glad i have seen this article.I will now make a point of buying something in this shop just to annoy these irritatingly pious,vegan-eating,a


nally pc,organically wholemeal,fair trade wearing whiny political busy bodies who are nothing more then Green facists.

So will I just out of spite. I'm like that. Anything that upsets people like this, I'm all for it. I don't care what it is, or on which part of the political spectrum it is, I won't let unwashed hippy scum dictate to me what I can buy, or who from.

Have you seen the price of their stuff?

Still if you want to waste your money to prove a point that's up to you but I'm guessing it's just rhetoric. I'm sure some people will actually buy because of the protests but as more and more people in Brighton get to hear about the origins and background to the products they sell it will not be nearly enough to save this shop.

So please feel free I'm sure they'd be grateful as the shop is empty most of the time.

sorry Gaz, it comes of reading too quickly whilst dealing with an avalanche of benefit queries etc. Like a dad whose kid is desperately ill and who has been taken to Guy's in London.

The ********* have meanwhile cut the guy's benefit off, he's a single parent with 2 kids. And then you get toffs like Osborne promising another £10B in cuts and playing divide and rule among the poor. That is the reality of today's Britain. The utility and oil companies have never had it so good whilst people struggle to literally put food in their kids mouths.

tonygreenstein wrote:
sorry Gaz, it comes of reading too quickly whilst dealing with an avalanche of benefit queries etc. Like a dad whose kid is desperately ill and who has been taken to Guy's in London.

The ********* have meanwhile cut the guy's benefit off, he's a single parent with 2 kids. And then you get toffs like Osborne promising another £10B in cuts and playing divide and rule among the poor. That is the reality of today's Britain. The utility and oil companies have never had it so good whilst people struggle to literally put food in their kids mouths.

No problem. Hopefully there is a Hell and it has a special place for these evil and heartless feckers who are temporarily squatting No 10.

hursthill wrote:
tony greenstein is an extremist political loony who has spent his sad life doing anything to damage & hurt Israel. He if full of malice prejudice & hate. For evidence I would urge you to read his blog !. What really upsets him is Israel's economic success. Even the computer he uses undoubtly uses Israeli know how.
What we must protest about are Palestinian crimes aginst humanity. An Amnesty Int report this week revealed how their political prisoners are routinely tortured & executed. We must protest about Palestinian apartheid policies & their attempts to ethnically clean Israel & relocate all Israelis into the sea.
We must demand Palestinians sit down & talk peace with Israel, & untill they do so we as British taxpayers no longer provide financial aid via the EEC, whilst their violence continues.
Finally we should boycott all Syrian shops untill they stop kiliing innocent Arab civilians - 50,000 + to date. Let's organise a demo in Brighton tony greenstein !

I'm not quite convinced of any logical reasoning behind boycotting Syrian shops. But I'm open to any further explanation you might offer.

What I find really difficult to grasp is how Mike Weatherley can be so eager to criminalise squatting in the UK but support the Israeli Settlers who are themselves basically squatters. Can you explain please Mike?

gaz scott wrote:
What I find really difficult to grasp is how Mike Weatherley can be so eager to criminalise squatting in the UK but support the Israeli Settlers who are themselves basically squatters. Can you explain please Mike?

Well said!

Don't expect an answer from the two-faced b***** though!

Oh and the shop that Ecostream is squatting used to be a Post Office. But of course they all disappeared with the 'benefits' of privatisation, so all there is now is an apology for one in the basement of WH Smith.

This argument is quite simple. If you oppose injustice then you are morally bound to raise your voice or remain silent. It is ironic that as society 'advances' the selfishness and amorality at the heart of capitalism seems to affect the Hursthills of this world and clone them.

The first such Boycott was of slave-grown sugar. No doubt the Porkheads and Somethingsarejustwro would have been 'proud' to buy slave produced sugar. After all, it gave them work, even if it also killed them.

No doubt they'd have been even prouder to buy a 'made in Germany' memento in 1933 onwards as that's what 'fair' trade is all about.

However millions of people thought otherwise. In Manchester, the Capital of Cotton and centre of the Free Trade Movement, a city dependent on the Atlantic slave trade like no other (except Liverpool), one-third of the population signed petitions against slavery. Led by people like Cobden, Bright and Clarkson.

They were no miserable small Englanders who couldn't see beyond the end of their nose. Theirs was a city that was at the heart of the industrial revolution.

Most of the little Englanders here actually know nothing of English or British history. Small minds and small people, with petty prejudices to match!

tonygreenstein wrote:
Oh and the shop that Ecostream is squatting used to be a Post Office. But of course they all disappeared with the 'benefits' of privatisation, so all there is now is an apology for one in the basement of WH Smith.

This argument is quite simple. If you oppose injustice then you are morally bound to raise your voice or remain silent. It is ironic that as society 'advances' the selfishness and amorality at the heart of capitalism seems to affect the Hursthills of this world and clone them.

The first such Boycott was of slave-grown sugar. No doubt the Porkheads and Somethingsarejustwro would have been 'proud' to buy slave produced sugar. After all, it gave them work, even if it also killed them.

No doubt they'd have been even prouder to buy a 'made in Germany' memento in 1933 onwards as that's what 'fair' trade is all about.

However millions of people thought otherwise. In Manchester, the Capital of Cotton and centre of the Free Trade Movement, a city dependent on the Atlantic slave trade like no other (except Liverpool), one-third of the population signed petitions against slavery. Led by people like Cobden, Bright and Clarkson.

They were no miserable small Englanders who couldn't see beyond the end of their nose. Theirs was a city that was at the heart of the industrial revolution.

Most of the little Englanders here actually know nothing of English or British history. Small minds and small people, with petty prejudices to match!

You really are a **** aren't you?

"The first such Boycott was of slave-grown sugar. No doubt the Porkheads and Somethingsarejustwro would have been 'proud' to buy slave produced sugar. After all, it gave them work, even if it also killed them.

No doubt they'd have been even prouder to buy a 'made in Germany' memento in 1933 onwards as that's what 'fair' trade is all about."

Absolutely. If it got up the noses of self righteous **** like you, I'd have bought it by the ton.

PorkBoat wrote:
"The first such Boycott was of slave-grown sugar. No doubt the Porkheads and Somethingsarejustwro would have been 'proud' to buy slave produced sugar. After all, it gave them work, even if it also killed them.

No doubt they'd have been even prouder to buy a 'made in Germany' memento in 1933 onwards as that's what 'fair' trade is all about."

Absolutely. If it got up the noses of self righteous **** like you, I'd have bought it by the ton.

It seems fairly clear who's getting up whose nose here.

gaz scott wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:
"The first such Boycott was of slave-grown sugar. No doubt the Porkheads and Somethingsarejustwro would have been 'proud' to buy slave produced sugar. After all, it gave them work, even if it also killed them.

No doubt they'd have been even prouder to buy a 'made in Germany' memento in 1933 onwards as that's what 'fair' trade is all about."

Absolutely. If it got up the noses of self righteous **** like you, I'd have bought it by the ton.

It seems fairly clear who's getting up whose nose here.

The beauty of capitalism is that it allows workshy miscreants to be identified for what they really are and there is nothing funnier than reading your and Greenstein's posts as you attempt to argue from a position of failure.

How I am looking forward to the next wave of benefit cuts; lets just hope that they are broad and deep enough to flush out all but the truly deserving.

In the interim Gaz, put up or shut up!

You're condemned out of your own mouth Porkie. But I suspect if you were a slave or an untermenschen you might see things a little differently. Problem is that our bigoted Right has no imagination either.

I was only thinking the other day of civilised and thoughtful members of the Tory Party like Sir Ian Gilmour, who wrote presciently about Palestine. So they are all cut from the same pork barrel. Jumped up property developers like Weatherley.

You could have probably very easily expressed that verbiage in one sentence. You do make me laugh - almost a sit-com character.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:
"The first such Boycott was of slave-grown sugar. No doubt the Porkheads and Somethingsarejustwro would have been 'proud' to buy slave produced sugar. After all, it gave them work, even if it also killed them.

No doubt they'd have been even prouder to buy a 'made in Germany' memento in 1933 onwards as that's what 'fair' trade is all about."

Absolutely. If it got up the noses of self righteous **** like you, I'd have bought it by the ton.

It seems fairly clear who's getting up whose nose here.

The beauty of capitalism is that it allows workshy miscreants to be identified for what they really are and there is nothing funnier than reading your and Greenstein's posts as you attempt to argue from a position of failure.

How I am looking forward to the next wave of benefit cuts; lets just hope that they are broad and deep enough to flush out all but the truly deserving.

In the interim Gaz, put up or shut up!

You could have probably very easily expressed that verbiage in one sentence. You do make me laugh - almost a sit-com character.

tonygreenstein wrote:
You're condemned out of your own mouth Porkie. But I suspect if you were a slave or an untermenschen you might see things a little differently. Problem is that our bigoted Right has no imagination either.

I was only thinking the other day of civilised and thoughtful members of the Tory Party like Sir Ian Gilmour, who wrote presciently about Palestine. So they are all cut from the same pork barrel. Jumped up property developers like Weatherley.

A number of us are laughing at your comments; do you really believe what you write?

Regardless, keep up the good work posting as you are and we can all enjoy a good laugh!

Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

tonygreenstein wrote:
Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work. I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.

If I could, I'd pull the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.

You are both so very funny!

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work. I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.

If I could, I'd pull the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.

You are both so very funny!

Well in the meantime I'll just enjoy my life creaming the benefit system to support my extremely extravagant lifestyle in my 5 bedroom house courtesy of housing benefit. Meanwhile let's get back to planet earth and back on topic.

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work. I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.

If I could, I'd pull the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.

You are both so very funny!

Well in the meantime I'll just enjoy my life creaming the benefit system to support my extremely extravagant lifestyle in my 5 bedroom house courtesy of housing benefit. Meanwhile let's get back to planet earth and back on topic.

There he goes again, every comment a gem and hilarious as always; he can't help himself!

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work. I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.

If I could, I'd pull the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.

You are both so very funny!

Well in the meantime I'll just enjoy my life creaming the benefit system to support my extremely extravagant lifestyle in my 5 bedroom house courtesy of housing benefit. Meanwhile let's get back to planet earth and back on topic.

There he goes again, every comment a gem and hilarious as always; he can't help himself!

Wow short and to the point. Not a single redundant word. Is that really Bladesboy?

It's called parody, but clearly it's not something you are acquainted with

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro



ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work. I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.

If I could, I'd pull the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.

You are both so very funny!

Well in the meantime I'll just enjoy my life creaming the benefit system to support my extremely extravagant lifestyle in my 5 bedroom house courtesy of housing benefit. Meanwhile let's get back to planet earth and back on topic.

There he goes again, every comment a gem and hilarious as always; he can't help himself!

Wow short and to the point. Not a single redundant word. Is that really Bladesboy?

Whilst you are quick to attempt to find fault in others, were you to re-read your own posts you would appreciate just how succinct my comments are in comparison.

You would also realise just how ridiculous and out of touch your position is on pretty much every thread you join and how stupid you make yourself appear.

Keep it up as its great fun for us all.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro




ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work. I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.

If I could, I'd pull the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.

You are both so very funny!

Well in the meantime I'll just enjoy my life creaming the benefit system to support my extremely extravagant lifestyle in my 5 bedroom house courtesy of housing benefit. Meanwhile let's get back to planet earth and back on topic.

There he goes again, every comment a gem and hilarious as always; he can't help himself!

Wow short and to the point. Not a single redundant word. Is that really Bladesboy?

Whilst you are quick to attempt to find fault in others, were you to re-read your own posts you would appreciate just how succinct my comments are in comparison.

You would also realise just how ridiculous and out of touch your position is on pretty much every thread you join and how stupid you make yourself appear.

Keep it up as its great fun for us all.

Another efficient post Bladesboy. Well done.

OK let's get back on topic now. Maybe you could give us your views on the legitimacy of the Settlements in the West Bank from where these and other products come.

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro



ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro





ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work. I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.

If I could, I'd pull the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.

You are both so very funny!

Well in the meantime I'll just enjoy my life creaming the benefit system to support my extremely extravagant lifestyle in my 5 bedroom house courtesy of housing benefit. Meanwhile let's get back to planet earth and back on topic.

There he goes again, every comment a gem and hilarious as always; he can't help himself!

Wow short and to the point. Not a single redundant word. Is that really Bladesboy?

Whilst you are quick to attempt to find fault in others, were you to re-read your own posts you would appreciate just how succinct my comments are in comparison.

You would also realise just how ridiculous and out of touch your position is on pretty much every thread you join and how stupid you make yourself appear.

Keep it up as its great fun for us all.

Another efficient post Bladesboy. Well done.

OK let's get back on topic now. Maybe you could give us your views on the legitimacy of the Settlements in the West Bank from where these and other products come.

I have no interest in your questions, especially when it has no bearing on the reality of life in Brighton. You would do well to concentrate on things you can influence, such as gaining employment and leave such debate to those with a legitimate interest.

The world begins and ends in Brighton. What was that about widening your horizons?

tonygreenstein wrote:
The world begins and ends in Brighton. What was that about widening your horizons?

Of course it doesn't however your sphere of influence is pretty much restricted to people who are interested. By joining up with disheveled scruffy looking sorts and blocking the pavements you are only serving to alienate people from supporting your cause. Buy a one way flight to somewhere where there are people who may actually care.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro




ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro






ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
Ah yes 'workshy miscreants'. And who might they be? Bankers with million pound bonuses? Tycoons with offshore tax havens? Osborne and Cameron born with silver spoons in their gullett? Of course not. It's the fault of the unemployed that they are unemployed.

And so it ever was. When the banks collapsed (but for a state handout - no lame ducks here) there was an outbreak of 'workshyness'. You couldn't make it up.

I look forward to Porkie losing his job and then home as he will then gain a valuable education into the benefit system and how real people are terrified that redundancy will mean poverty.

Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work. I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.

If I could, I'd pull the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.

You are both so very funny!

Well in the meantime I'll just enjoy my life creaming the benefit system to support my extremely extravagant lifestyle in my 5 bedroom house courtesy of housing benefit. Meanwhile let's get back to planet earth and back on topic.

There he goes again, every comment a gem and hilarious as always; he can't help himself!

Wow short and to the point. Not a single redundant word. Is that really Bladesboy?

Whilst you are quick to attempt to find fault in others, were you to re-read your own posts you would appreciate just how succinct my comments are in comparison.

You would also realise just how ridiculous and out of touch your position is on pretty much every thread you join and how stupid you make yourself appear.

Keep it up as its great fun for us all.

Another efficient post Bladesboy. Well done.

OK let's get back on topic now. Maybe you could give us your views on the legitimacy of the Settlements in the West Bank from where these and other products come.

I have no interest in your questions, especially when it has no bearing on the reality of life in Brighton. You would do well to concentrate on things you can influence, such as gaining employment and leave such debate to those with a legitimate interest.

So what are you doing on this thread about EcoStream?

You obviously have nothing at all to contribute to this particular debate.

I'm sure there are other threads where your considerable intellect and deep and detailed knowledge of employment issues might be more useful.

gaz scott wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
sorry Gaz, it comes of reading too quickly whilst dealing with an avalanche of benefit queries etc. Like a dad whose kid is desperately ill and who has been taken to Guy's in London.

The ********* have meanwhile cut the guy's benefit off, he's a single parent with 2 kids. And then you get toffs like Osborne promising another £10B in cuts and playing divide and rule among the poor. That is the reality of today's Britain. The utility and oil companies have never had it so good whilst people struggle to literally put food in their kids mouths.

No problem. Hopefully there is a Hell and it has a special place for these evil and heartless feckers who are temporarily squatting No 10.

Tut tut, blame poor old George, now you two know things are never that simple.

I suppose Prudence Brown and (load of ) Balls ar innocent little fairies in your eyes ?

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
sorry Gaz, it comes of reading too quickly whilst dealing with an avalanche of benefit queries etc. Like a dad whose kid is desperately ill and who has been taken to Guy's in London.

The ********* have meanwhile cut the guy's benefit off, he's a single parent with 2 kids. And then you get toffs like Osborne promising another £10B in cuts and playing divide and rule among the poor. That is the reality of today's Britain. The utility and oil companies have never had it so good whilst people struggle to literally put food in their kids mouths.

No problem. Hopefully there is a Hell and it has a special place for these evil and heartless feckers who are temporarily squatting No 10.

Tut tut, blame poor old George, now you two know things are never that simple.

I suppose Prudence Brown and (load of ) Balls ar innocent little fairies in your eyes ?

No hopefully they will be there too for selling us all out to the Bankers.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
The world begins and ends in Brighton. What was that about widening your horizons?

Of course it doesn't however your sphere of influence is pretty much restricted to people who are interested. By joining up with disheveled scruffy looking sorts and blocking the pavements you are only serving to alienate people from supporting your cause. Buy a one way flight to somewhere where there are people who may actually care.

You shouldn't judge others by your own bigoted self. Many people in Brighton do care and the support we have received is overwhelming.

Of course blogs like this appeal to narrow minded bigots who spend most of their time on their backsides venting their spleen at the world. Plus ca change.

tonygreenstein wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
The world begins and ends in Brighton. What was that about widening your horizons?

Of course it doesn't however your sphere of influence is pretty much restricted to people who are interested. By joining up with disheveled scruffy looking sorts and blocking the pavements you are only serving to alienate people from supporting your cause. Buy a one way flight to somewhere where there are people who may actually care.

You shouldn't judge others by your own bigoted self. Many people in Brighton do care and the support we have received is overwhelming.

Of course blogs like this appeal to narrow minded bigots who spend most of their time on their backsides venting their spleen at the world. Plus ca change.

Of course blogs like this appeal to narrow minded bigots who spend most of their time on their backsides venting their spleen at the world.

Just asking Tony but isn't that why you are here ?

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
The world begins and ends in Brighton. What was that about widening your horizons?

Of course it doesn't however your sphere of influence is pretty much restricted to people who are interested. By joining up with disheveled scruffy looking sorts and blocking the pavements you are only serving to alienate people from supporting your cause. Buy a one way flight to somewhere where there are people who may actually care.

You shouldn't judge others by your own bigoted self. Many people in Brighton do care and the support we have received is overwhelming.

Of course blogs like this appeal to narrow minded bigots who spend most of their time on their backsides venting their spleen at the world. Plus ca change.

Of course blogs like this appeal to narrow minded bigots who spend most of their time on their backsides venting their spleen at the world.

Just asking Tony but isn't that why you are here ?

I think he does a bit more than that doesn't he? I don't think anyone can accuse Tony Greenstein of just sitting on his backside whatever you may think of him.

Some of the serial contributors here very definitely fall into that category though.

Thanks for your responses Gaz, I just get a bit worried when people seem unable to accept others might not share their views and then resort to insults - it doesn't help their own cause really does it ?

Of course I accept that others don't or won't accept my viewpoint. But what I won't accept is the lazy and vicious attacks on people they disagree with as lazy, unkempt etc. If someone wants to argue that ethnically cleansing the West Bank is necessary for the creation of more Sodastreams then fine, at least be honest.

Just as if the fascists had argued that German culture was superior and the Jews had to make way that would have been semi-honest. Instead they resorted to vicious and contemptible stereotypes of the type you see in Riefenstahls' Jud Susse with hook-nosed Jews with furtive, lechorous, Jimmy Saville type eyes.

Demonising people is what Hursthill and co. do. Of course it is frustrating when you hear bigots attacking the poor for being poor - have they learnt nothing you ask after 200 years of this stuff. Have they never heard of the battles over Speenhamland and the Poor Law of 1834? I guess not. What comes around goes around.

Has society advanced so much that instead of computers liberating people from unnecessary work they are used to speed up financiail transactions sending the speculators into a driven fury. How is it that capitalism can fight wars against 3rd world peoples but not against poverty and homelessness? Why do the hursthills and Somethingsarejustwro
ng feel the need for scapegoats? is it that they don't understand the forces that propel them into blaming others who are weaker than they are?

You have these little Englanders like Somethingsarejustwro
ng who believe that the world begins and ends at the Channel. Presumably they've never heard of global warming, that carbon pollution knows no boundaries. Maybe they've never visited any other country before boasting how great britain is. Wasn't it the first writer of a dictionary, a Tory to boot, one Samuel Johnstone who wrote that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel. As Richard Nixon amply demonstrated.

But on April 22nd the people of Brighton said no to fascists and bigots and it seemed the whole of Brighton town centre rose up against the EDL. No doubt Hurstill, Somethingsarejustwro
ng and virtuoso were most unhappy about the state of affairs and Plantpot wondered why we were bothering about far away countries.

Reminds me of Neville Chamberlain going on about a far-away country that noone had even heard of. He meant the betray of Czechoslovakia of course. We soon learnt that it did matter that he had given away that small country to Hitler's legions.

tonygreenstein wrote:
Of course I accept that others don't or won't accept my viewpoint. But what I won't accept is the lazy and vicious attacks on people they disagree with as lazy, unkempt etc. If someone wants to argue that ethnically cleansing the West Bank is necessary for the creation of more Sodastreams then fine, at least be honest.

Just as if the fascists had argued that German culture was superior and the Jews had to make way that would have been semi-honest. Instead they resorted to vicious and contemptible stereotypes of the type you see in Riefenstahls' Jud Susse with hook-nosed Jews with furtive, lechorous, Jimmy Saville type eyes.

Demonising people is what Hursthill and co. do. Of course it is frustrating when you hear bigots attacking the poor for being poor - have they learnt nothing you ask after 200 years of this stuff. Have they never heard of the battles over Speenhamland and the Poor Law of 1834? I guess not. What comes around goes around.

Has society advanced so much that instead of computers liberating people from unnecessary work they are used to speed up financiail transactions sending the speculators into a driven fury. How is it that capitalism can fight wars against 3rd world peoples but not against poverty and homelessness? Why do the hursthills and Somethingsarejustwro

ng feel the need for scapegoats? is it that they don't understand the forces that propel them into blaming others who are weaker than they are?

You have these little Englanders like Somethingsarejustwro

ng who believe that the world begins and ends at the Channel. Presumably they've never heard of global warming, that carbon pollution knows no boundaries. Maybe they've never visited any other country before boasting how great britain is. Wasn't it the first writer of a dictionary, a Tory to boot, one Samuel Johnstone who wrote that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel. As Richard Nixon amply demonstrated.

But on April 22nd the people of Brighton said no to fascists and bigots and it seemed the whole of Brighton town centre rose up against the EDL. No doubt Hurstill, Somethingsarejustwro

ng and virtuoso were most unhappy about the state of affairs and Plantpot wondered why we were bothering about far away countries.

Reminds me of Neville Chamberlain going on about a far-away country that noone had even heard of. He meant the betray of Czechoslovakia of course. We soon learnt that it did matter that he had given away that small country to Hitler's legions.

You and Gaz have together with your most recent volley of blinkered comments made my day. I have spent the last 10 minutes laughing uncontrollably, not just at your comments, but more at your thought processes.

Having the ability to think and act effectively locally can only be done in the context of macro thinking and the pair of you clearly have capability issues as you are unable to do so. Repeatedly quoting distant historical events and criticising authors of the truth doesn't change the present and people like you won't influence the future.

The good people of Brighton recognise that these silly little attempts at protest e.g. this, Smash EDO, Occupy Brighton (did they ever clarify their objectives and is it true there are only 2 of the original protest group of 5 left now?) will never be effective as the wrong people are being petitioned in the wrong place by invariably incompetent fascist minority extremists. If you 2 can't see that then the irrelevance of your comments kind of makes sense.

So now I have explained, it would be great if you can take the scruffy and disheveled miscreants off the streets and let the rest of us crack on without that nuisance.

Just in case you still don't get it and by way of summary, we don't really care and any tiny chance of garnering our support is lost because of who you are and the way you go about things.

If you are so bothered about Israel and Palestine then do us all a favour and go there taking your scruffy and disheveled protest puppets with you.

Finally to address one of your points, notwithstanding a huge amount of international travel (and much more to come), for me the futures bright, the futures Brighton.

tonygreenstein wrote:
Of course I accept that others don't or won't accept my viewpoint. But what I won't accept is the lazy and vicious attacks on people they disagree with as lazy, unkempt etc. If someone wants to argue that ethnically cleansing the West Bank is necessary for the creation of more Sodastreams then fine, at least be honest.

Just as if the fascists had argued that German culture was superior and the Jews had to make way that would have been semi-honest. Instead they resorted to vicious and contemptible stereotypes of the type you see in Riefenstahls' Jud Susse with hook-nosed Jews with furtive, lechorous, Jimmy Saville type eyes.

Demonising people is what Hursthill and co. do. Of course it is frustrating when you hear bigots attacking the poor for being poor - have they learnt nothing you ask after 200 years of this stuff. Have they never heard of the battles over Speenhamland and the Poor Law of 1834? I guess not. What comes around goes around.

Has society advanced so much that instead of computers liberating people from unnecessary work they are used to speed up financiail transactions sending the speculators into a driven fury. How is it that capitalism can fight wars against 3rd world peoples but not against poverty and homelessness? Why do the hursthills and Somethingsarejustwro

ng feel the need for scapegoats? is it that they don't understand the forces that propel them into blaming others who are weaker than they are?

You have these little Englanders like Somethingsarejustwro

ng who believe that the world begins and ends at the Channel. Presumably they've never heard of global warming, that carbon pollution knows no boundaries. Maybe they've never visited any other country before boasting how great britain is. Wasn't it the first writer of a dictionary, a Tory to boot, one Samuel Johnstone who wrote that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel. As Richard Nixon amply demonstrated.

But on April 22nd the people of Brighton said no to fascists and bigots and it seemed the whole of Brighton town centre rose up against the EDL. No doubt Hurstill, Somethingsarejustwro

ng and virtuoso were most unhappy about the state of affairs and Plantpot wondered why we were bothering about far away countries.

Reminds me of Neville Chamberlain going on about a far-away country that noone had even heard of. He meant the betray of Czechoslovakia of course. We soon learnt that it did matter that he had given away that small country to Hitler's legions.

You and Gaz have together with your most recent volley of blinkered comments made my day. I have spent the last 10 minutes laughing uncontrollably, not just at your comments, but more at your thought processes.

Having the ability to think and act effectively locally can only be done in the context of macro thinking and the pair of you clearly have capability issues as you are unable to do so. Repeatedly quoting distant historical events and criticising authors of the truth doesn't change the present and people like you won't influence the future.

The good people of Brighton recognise that these silly little attempts at protest e.g. this, Smash EDO, Occupy Brighton (did they ever clarify their objectives and is it true there are only 2 of the original protest group of 5 left now?) will never be effective as the wrong people are being petitioned in the wrong place by invariably incompetent fascist minority extremists. If you 2 can't see that then the irrelevance of your comments kind of makes sense.

So now I have explained, it would be great if you can take the scruffy and disheveled miscreants off the streets and let the rest of us crack on without that nuisance.

Just in case you still don't get it and by way of summary, we don't really care and any tiny chance of garnering our support is lost because of who you are and the way you go about things.

If you are so bothered about Israel and Palestine then do us all a favour and go there taking your scruffy and disheveled protest puppets with you.

Finally to address one of your points, notwithstanding a huge amount of international travel (and much more to come), for me the futures bright, the futures Brighton.

Tony greenstein makes numerous bigoted comments, as he laughingly attempts to equate nazi germanys treatment of its Jewish population withIsreal putting up some road blocks and a security fence to protect its people from suicide attacks. Kermit the frog has a better understanding of the middle east than this joker..

tony greenstein's interest in peace in the Middle East is the same as Jimmy Saville's interest in child welfare !

I actually think he is a Mossad spy, trying to damage Palestinians, because thats what he does everytime he makes a comment !

such actions seem like a precursor to actions similar to krystallnacht...

my gawd, will these protestor sbe standing outside jjb sports, sports.com , most shoe retailers for whoms products are made in developing countries where the workers are starved of their rights and living wage, will they stop shopping in supermarket chains as they stock products (food stuffs) grown in Israel? my gawd, why not try protesting outside mcdonalds as this is a US company, and we all know of the US's foreign policies...

or outside Harrods now owned by the Qatari royal family, this countries human rights record is quite questionable..

or outside every bl**dy UK shop as our new improved formula ConDem employment laws stink... and they shops must be to blame for a governments actions..

I for one am going to start a protest outside my cornershop as they sell things grown/produced/made by people in a country that i dont like..

I wont be along on saturdqay to counter protest as it is the Sabbath

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
Of course I accept that others don't or won't accept my viewpoint. But what I won't accept is the lazy and vicious attacks on people they disagree with as lazy, unkempt etc. If someone wants to argue that ethnically cleansing the West Bank is necessary for the creation of more Sodastreams then fine, at least be honest.

Just as if the fascists had argued that German culture was superior and the Jews had to make way that would have been semi-honest. Instead they resorted to vicious and contemptible stereotypes of the type you see in Riefenstahls' Jud Susse with hook-nosed Jews with furtive, lechorous, Jimmy Saville type eyes.

Demonising people is what Hursthill and co. do. Of course it is frustrating when you hear bigots attacking the poor for being poor - have they learnt nothing you ask after 200 years of this stuff. Have they never heard of the battles over Speenhamland and the Poor Law of 1834? I guess not. What comes around goes around.

Has society advanced so much that instead of computers liberating people from unnecessary work they are used to speed up financiail transactions sending the speculators into a driven fury. How is it that capitalism can fight wars against 3rd world peoples but not against poverty and homelessness? Why do the hursthills and Somethingsarejustwro


ng feel the need for scapegoats? is it that they don't understand the forces that propel them into blaming others who are weaker than they are?

You have these little Englanders like Somethingsarejustwro


ng who believe that the world begins and ends at the Channel. Presumably they've never heard of global warming, that carbon pollution knows no boundaries. Maybe they've never visited any other country before boasting how great britain is. Wasn't it the first writer of a dictionary, a Tory to boot, one Samuel Johnstone who wrote that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel. As Richard Nixon amply demonstrated.

But on April 22nd the people of Brighton said no to fascists and bigots and it seemed the whole of Brighton town centre rose up against the EDL. No doubt Hurstill, Somethingsarejustwro


ng and virtuoso were most unhappy about the state of affairs and Plantpot wondered why we were bothering about far away countries.

Reminds me of Neville Chamberlain going on about a far-away country that noone had even heard of. He meant the betray of Czechoslovakia of course. We soon learnt that it did matter that he had given away that small country to Hitler's legions.

You and Gaz have together with your most recent volley of blinkered comments made my day. I have spent the last 10 minutes laughing uncontrollably, not just at your comments, but more at your thought processes.

Having the ability to think and act effectively locally can only be done in the context of macro thinking and the pair of you clearly have capability issues as you are unable to do so. Repeatedly quoting distant historical events and criticising authors of the truth doesn't change the present and people like you won't influence the future.

The good people of Brighton recognise that these silly little attempts at protest e.g. this, Smash EDO, Occupy Brighton (did they ever clarify their objectives and is it true there are only 2 of the original protest group of 5 left now?) will never be effective as the wrong people are being petitioned in the wrong place by invariably incompetent fascist minority extremists. If you 2 can't see that then the irrelevance of your comments kind of makes sense.

So now I have explained, it would be great if you can take the scruffy and disheveled miscreants off the streets and let the rest of us crack on without that nuisance.

Just in case you still don't get it and by way of summary, we don't really care and any tiny chance of garnering our support is lost because of who you are and the way you go about things.

If you are so bothered about Israel and Palestine then do us all a favour and go there taking your scruffy and disheveled protest puppets with you.

Finally to address one of your points, notwithstanding a huge amount of international travel (and much more to come), for me the futures bright, the futures Brighton.

Not much going on in your life at the moment is there...?

cancelaccount wrote:
such actions seem like a precursor to actions similar to krystallnacht...

my gawd, will these protestor sbe standing outside jjb sports, sports.com , most shoe retailers for whoms products are made in developing countries where the workers are starved of their rights and living wage, will they stop shopping in supermarket chains as they stock products (food stuffs) grown in Israel? my gawd, why not try protesting outside mcdonalds as this is a US company, and we all know of the US's foreign policies...

or outside Harrods now owned by the Qatari royal family, this countries human rights record is quite questionable..

or outside every bl**dy UK shop as our new improved formula ConDem employment laws stink... and they shops must be to blame for a governments actions..

I for one am going to start a protest outside my cornershop as they sell things grown/produced/made by people in a country that i dont like..

I wont be along on saturdqay to counter protest as it is the Sabbath

There is also a mid-week protest at lunchtime especially convenient for those who observe the Sabbath so you could counter-protest then.

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote: Of course I accept that others don't or won't accept my viewpoint. But what I won't accept is the lazy and vicious attacks on people they disagree with as lazy, unkempt etc. If someone wants to argue that ethnically cleansing the West Bank is necessary for the creation of more Sodastreams then fine, at least be honest. Just as if the fascists had argued that German culture was superior and the Jews had to make way that would have been semi-honest. Instead they resorted to vicious and contemptible stereotypes of the type you see in Riefenstahls' Jud Susse with hook-nosed Jews with furtive, lechorous, Jimmy Saville type eyes. Demonising people is what Hursthill and co. do. Of course it is frustrating when you hear bigots attacking the poor for being poor - have they learnt nothing you ask after 200 years of this stuff. Have they never heard of the battles over Speenhamland and the Poor Law of 1834? I guess not. What comes around goes around. Has society advanced so much that instead of computers liberating people from unnecessary work they are used to speed up financiail transactions sending the speculators into a driven fury. How is it that capitalism can fight wars against 3rd world peoples but not against poverty and homelessness? Why do the hursthills and Somethingsarejustwro ng feel the need for scapegoats? is it that they don't understand the forces that propel them into blaming others who are weaker than they are? You have these little Englanders like Somethingsarejustwro ng who believe that the world begins and ends at the Channel. Presumably they've never heard of global warming, that carbon pollution knows no boundaries. Maybe they've never visited any other country before boasting how great britain is. Wasn't it the first writer of a dictionary, a Tory to boot, one Samuel Johnstone who wrote that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel. As Richard Nixon amply demonstrated. But on April 22nd the people of Brighton said no to fascists and bigots and it seemed the whole of Brighton town centre rose up against the EDL. No doubt Hurstill, Somethingsarejustwro ng and virtuoso were most unhappy about the state of affairs and Plantpot wondered why we were bothering about far away countries. Reminds me of Neville Chamberlain going on about a far-away country that noone had even heard of. He meant the betray of Czechoslovakia of course. We soon learnt that it did matter that he had given away that small country to Hitler's legions.

You and Gaz have together with your most recent volley of blinkered comments made my day. I have spent the last 10 minutes laughing uncontrollably, not just at your comments, but more at your thought processes. Having the ability to think and act effectively locally can only be done in the context of macro thinking and the pair of you clearly have capability issues as you are unable to do so. Repeatedly quoting distant historical events and criticising authors of the truth doesn't change the present and people like you won't influence the future. The good people of Brighton recognise that these silly little attempts at protest e.g. this, Smash EDO, Occupy Brighton (did they ever clarify their objectives and is it true there are only 2 of the original protest group of 5 left now?) will never be effective as the wrong people are being petitioned in the wrong place by invariably incompetent fascist minority extremists. If you 2 can't see that then the irrelevance of your comments kind of makes sense. So now I have explained, it would be great if you can take the scruffy and disheveled miscreants off the streets and let the rest of us crack on without that nuisance. Just in case you still don't get it and by way of summary, we don't really care and any tiny chance of garnering our support is lost because of who you are and the way you go about things. If you are so bothered about Israel and Palestine then do us all a favour and go there taking your scruffy and disheveled protest puppets with you. Finally to address one of your points, notwithstanding a huge amount of international travel (and much more to come), for me the futures bright, the futures Brighton.

Not much going on in your life at the moment is there...?

''Ham Israel Hay''

In a Dave Brent style
1 Tony Greenstein and Gaz Scott are annoying, fact
2 Their state of continual protest about everything and their support for the violent extremists of Smash Edo undermines their credibility, fact.
3 it's wrong to steal someone elses country, fact.
4 it's illegal under international law to exploit the resources of a country you are illegally occupying, fact.

The Palestinians deserve a country as much as anyone else does, Israels treatment of them is shameful and the moral hypocrisy of Israel and her supporters in justifying such treatment is in itself a disgrace. However, the Palestinian cause is ill served by people like Tony Greenstein and Gaz Scott who can't see the contradiction between constantly claiming their right to protest and supporting groups like the UAF and Smashedo who use violence to prevent others exercising the rights they claim for themselves.

this story really has the keyboard warriors going...

JHunty wrote:
In a Dave Brent style
1 Tony Greenstein and Gaz Scott are annoying, fact
2 Their state of continual protest about everything and their support for the violent extremists of Smash Edo undermines their credibility, fact.
3 it's wrong to steal someone elses country, fact.
4 it's illegal under international law to exploit the resources of a country you are illegally occupying, fact.

The Palestinians deserve a country as much as anyone else does, Israels treatment of them is shameful and the moral hypocrisy of Israel and her supporters in justifying such treatment is in itself a disgrace. However, the Palestinian cause is ill served by people like Tony Greenstein and Gaz Scott who can't see the contradiction between constantly claiming their right to protest and supporting groups like the UAF and Smashedo who use violence to prevent others exercising the rights they claim for themselves.

I would answer but you'll just go quiet again as you always do so no point.

Mr Greenstein you are as much use to any cause as a chocolate fire guard!

gaz scott wrote:

cancelaccount wrote: such actions seem like a precursor to actions similar to krystallnacht... my gawd, will these protestor sbe standing outside jjb sports, sports.com , most shoe retailers for whoms products are made in developing countries where the workers are starved of their rights and living wage, will they stop shopping in supermarket chains as they stock products (food stuffs) grown in Israel? my gawd, why not try protesting outside mcdonalds as this is a US company, and we all know of the US's foreign policies... or outside Harrods now owned by the Qatari royal family, this countries human rights record is quite questionable.. or outside every bl**dy UK shop as our new improved formula ConDem employment laws stink... and they shops must be to blame for a governments actions.. I for one am going to start a protest outside my cornershop as they sell things grown/produced/made by people in a country that i dont like.. I wont be along on saturdqay to counter protest as it is the Sabbath

There is also a mid-week protest at lunchtime especially convenient for those who observe the Sabbath so you could counter-protest then.

protesting mid week, oh darn it!

I work for a living and have more important things to do like serve the populas of brighton and Hove! in my public role (and before you thinks it, not for the loons that are our Groan council!)

cancelaccount wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

cancelaccount wrote: such actions seem like a precursor to actions similar to krystallnacht... my gawd, will these protestor sbe standing outside jjb sports, sports.com , most shoe retailers for whoms products are made in developing countries where the workers are starved of their rights and living wage, will they stop shopping in supermarket chains as they stock products (food stuffs) grown in Israel? my gawd, why not try protesting outside mcdonalds as this is a US company, and we all know of the US's foreign policies... or outside Harrods now owned by the Qatari royal family, this countries human rights record is quite questionable.. or outside every bl**dy UK shop as our new improved formula ConDem employment laws stink... and they shops must be to blame for a governments actions.. I for one am going to start a protest outside my cornershop as they sell things grown/produced/made by people in a country that i dont like.. I wont be along on saturdqay to counter protest as it is the Sabbath

There is also a mid-week protest at lunchtime especially convenient for those who observe the Sabbath so you could counter-protest then.

protesting mid week, oh darn it!

I work for a living and have more important things to do like serve the populas of brighton and Hove! in my public role (and before you thinks it, not for the loons that are our Groan council!)

Oh OK it's just that you said you couldn't make the counter-protests because of the Sabbath and I assumed you were being truthful and not just making an excuse. Not one of our Conservative Councillor friends are you?

tonygreenstein wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
The world begins and ends in Brighton. What was that about widening your horizons?

Of course it doesn't however your sphere of influence is pretty much restricted to people who are interested. By joining up with disheveled scruffy looking sorts and blocking the pavements you are only serving to alienate people from supporting your cause. Buy a one way flight to somewhere where there are people who may actually care.

You shouldn't judge others by your own bigoted self. Many people in Brighton do care and the support we have received is overwhelming.

Of course blogs like this appeal to narrow minded bigots who spend most of their time on their backsides venting their spleen at the world. Plus ca change.

"Of course blogs like this appeal to narrow minded bigots who spend most of their time on their backsides venting their spleen at the world. Plus ca change."

Oh, the irony!

gaz scott wrote:

cancelaccount wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

cancelaccount wrote: such actions seem like a precursor to actions similar to krystallnacht... my gawd, will these protestor sbe standing outside jjb sports, sports.com , most shoe retailers for whoms products are made in developing countries where the workers are starved of their rights and living wage, will they stop shopping in supermarket chains as they stock products (food stuffs) grown in Israel? my gawd, why not try protesting outside mcdonalds as this is a US company, and we all know of the US's foreign policies... or outside Harrods now owned by the Qatari royal family, this countries human rights record is quite questionable.. or outside every bl**dy UK shop as our new improved formula ConDem employment laws stink... and they shops must be to blame for a governments actions.. I for one am going to start a protest outside my cornershop as they sell things grown/produced/made by people in a country that i dont like.. I wont be along on saturdqay to counter protest as it is the Sabbath

There is also a mid-week protest at lunchtime especially convenient for those who observe the Sabbath so you could counter-protest then.

protesting mid week, oh darn it! I work for a living and have more important things to do like serve the populas of brighton and Hove! in my public role (and before you thinks it, not for the loons that are our Groan council!)

Oh OK it's just that you said you couldn't make the counter-protests because of the Sabbath and I assumed you were being truthful and not just making an excuse. Not one of our Conservative Councillor friends are you?

oh Gary, Gaz, Gazzer...

and I thought you would be above tit for tat resposnes...

I am being truthful, what would make one not think this?

I observe the Sabbath, and if this was for a sunday (the protest) I would more than likely not attend also as I have farbetter things to do with my time (like spending time with my family and friends, engaging in a community project or maybe just helping my elderly neighbour)..

And what makes one think I am a Tory? I was raised in a marxist/zionist household I guess you're just making obvious remarks because Hove is traditonally Blue and had at one point had the UKs 3rd largest Jewish community(outside of london).

you are from another planet you that is the master Keyboard warrior on this here comments boar, I really hope that you relocate back there soon...

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The UK cares about Palestine if there's a political or economic benefit in doing so. As our involvement in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries demonstrates, it's that our cultures are incredibly different from theirs, so values and expectations don't match up and frankly we don't really understand the issues, they are so lost in the mists of time. There are equivalent irrational conflicts wherever you look that are racial or religious. I'm perfectly happy to let the Palestinians and Israeli's get on with it. The issue between Israel and the Arab world has been addressed by some of the world's best minds, but logic will never overcome prejuduce it seems.

I won't buy from the shop in Western Road because I have no interest in Sodastream products, but I have no problem with those that want to.

You said you were serving in a public role and pointed out that you weren't Green and since our the Conservatives have really been on the case I just thought maybe you were.

But I can see that it might be considered extremely offensive so I apologise unreservedly for suggesting you might be a Conservative or worse still a Conservative Councillor.

cancelaccount wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

cancelaccount wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

cancelaccount wrote: such actions seem like a precursor to actions similar to krystallnacht... my gawd, will these protestor sbe standing outside jjb sports, sports.com , most shoe retailers for whoms products are made in developing countries where the workers are starved of their rights and living wage, will they stop shopping in supermarket chains as they stock products (food stuffs) grown in Israel? my gawd, why not try protesting outside mcdonalds as this is a US company, and we all know of the US's foreign policies... or outside Harrods now owned by the Qatari royal family, this countries human rights record is quite questionable.. or outside every bl**dy UK shop as our new improved formula ConDem employment laws stink... and they shops must be to blame for a governments actions.. I for one am going to start a protest outside my cornershop as they sell things grown/produced/made by people in a country that i dont like.. I wont be along on saturdqay to counter protest as it is the Sabbath

There is also a mid-week protest at lunchtime especially convenient for those who observe the Sabbath so you could counter-protest then.

protesting mid week, oh darn it! I work for a living and have more important things to do like serve the populas of brighton and Hove! in my public role (and before you thinks it, not for the loons that are our Groan council!)

Oh OK it's just that you said you couldn't make the counter-protests because of the Sabbath and I assumed you were being truthful and not just making an excuse. Not one of our Conservative Councillor friends are you?

oh Gary, Gaz, Gazzer...

and I thought you would be above tit for tat resposnes...

I am being truthful, what would make one not think this?

I observe the Sabbath, and if this was for a sunday (the protest) I would more than likely not attend also as I have farbetter things to do with my time (like spending time with my family and friends, engaging in a community project or maybe just helping my elderly neighbour)..

And what makes one think I am a Tory? I was raised in a marxist/zionist household I guess you're just making obvious remarks because Hove is traditonally Blue and had at one point had the UKs 3rd largest Jewish community(outside of london).

you are from another planet you that is the master Keyboard warrior on this here comments boar, I really hope that you relocate back there soon...

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

zzzzz

You said you were serving in a public role and pointed out that you weren't Green and since our the Conservatives have really been on the case I just thought maybe you were.

But I can see that it might be considered extremely offensive so I apologise unreservedly for suggesting you might be a Conservative or worse still a Conservative Councillor.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng says...
As a typical echo of the Victorian middle classes ‘somethingisjustwr
ong’ says ‘Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work.’ Of course lies like this are the stock in trade of the stupid middle classes. It wasn'’ the poor who gambled with billions of other peoples’ money in useless financial instruments that wrecked havoc with the economy. But ‘I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.’

Suspect all you like but you know nothing so your dreams of ‘pulling the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.’ Are just that. The dreams of an embittered member of the more stupid middle classes. I don’t believe it was the right-wing whiners and no hopers here who put the spotlight on fraud and corruption at New Labour’s eb4u in a Whistleblowing case. Most of you wouldn’t know one end of a law book from another.
But when asked a question about West Bank settlements it ‘has no bearing on the reality of life in Brighton.’ On the contrary, the world is interdependent. Global warming doesn’t stop at the channel and neither do the activities of the multi-nationals and the right-wing whiners have nothing to say about those who are powerful in society, they prefer their prejudices served up by the Daily Express or Mail (or is it the Sun and Sport?).
No doubt Porkie and ShoveurJules were whooping it when the Sun printed their scurrilous lies about Liverpool fans and Hillsborough and the Police were engaged in a criminal conspiracy of monstrous proportions, because they have never learnt to challenge authority or ask any questions of their own.
The answer on West Bank settlements is quite clear. They have no business there and the idea you can go to someone else’s country waving the Bible as some kind of land register is all to typical of the Christian fundamentalists who butchered over a hundred thousand Maya Indians in Guatemala under Rios Montt (you can google it and learn something!).

But according to ‘somethingsowrong�
�� (what exactly?) ‘Having the ability to think and act effectively locally can only be done in the context of macro thinking’. Err yes and the macro is built on the micro!
‘Repeatedly quoting distant historical events and criticising authors of the truth doesn't change the present and people like you won't influence the future.’
History points to the future if you are able or prepared to learn from it. and the pair of you clearly have capability issues as you are unable to do so.
‘The good people of Brighton recognise that these silly little attempts at protest e.g. this, Smash EDO, Occupy Brighton’ Movements come and go, but their effect remains. The fact that you have the vote is because groups like the Chartists got off their bottoms and did something rather than whine on right-wing blogs. But at least they and others tried. No doubt the suffragettes were ‘scruffy and disheveled miscreants off the streets’. Who knows, who cares, only the superficial ‘minds’ that spout forth here are bothered with form not substance.

hursthill in his normal incoherent fashion compares my interest in the Middle East to that of Jimmy Saville and children. But it wasn’t me who fawned at the feet of this odious specimen but hursthill and co. It was obvious that there was something wrong with him from the start. But there again, he wasn’t dishevelled! Why even the Sun, having printed all his PR guff for years has now turned against him so there’s hope for Hursthill and his ilk.
cancelaccount believes that boycotting Israeli shops is the precursor to krystallnacht. Get real. Krystalnacht occurred because of the same right-wing fools who fawned at Hitler’s feet as write on this blog. The same whingers who complain about anyone seeing beyond the end of their nose. If the Zionist movement hadn’t broken the Boycott of Nazi Germany (oh yes, 60% of capital investment in the Yishuv (Jewish Palestine) came from Nazi Germany via something called Ha'avara - google it) then maybe a lot of the things that then happened would not have occurred.
But no doubt Somethingsarejustwro ng and Cancelhisaccount and fellow whingers would have said ‘ but this is beyond the English Channel’ what is it to do with us before getting into bed with the EDL?:
‘I work for a living and have more important things to do like serve the populas of brighton’ so do most people before they get sacked.
‘Cancelhisaccount�
�� was ‘raised in a marxist/zionist household’. No such thing. That’s why the Zionist left has all but disappeared. You either believe in solidarity across national groups or you are a Jewish chauvinist. Mapam, the group in question is no more – no newspaper, nothing except a Kibbutz Federation that exploits Oriental Jewish and Israeli Arab workers. It is an example of how nationalism and socialism don’t go hand in hand, hence the turn to religion. I turned away from Orthodox Judaism because they used the Bible to justify oppression (Joshua) you did the opposite.
Anyway I think it’s time to wrap this blog up because only right-wing obsessives (except for Gaz and one or 2 sensible people) are reading it.

tonygreenstein wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng says...
As a typical echo of the Victorian middle classes ‘somethingisjustwr

ong’ says ‘Many of the poor create their situations by avoiding work.’ Of course lies like this are the stock in trade of the stupid middle classes. It wasn'’ the poor who gambled with billions of other peoples’ money in useless financial instruments that wrecked havoc with the economy. But ‘I suspect you and Gaz fit this criteria and then revel in blaming others to argue a case for financial support.’

Suspect all you like but you know nothing so your dreams of ‘pulling the rug out from under your feet and watch you struggle, until of course you had no option to contribute.’ Are just that. The dreams of an embittered member of the more stupid middle classes. I don’t believe it was the right-wing whiners and no hopers here who put the spotlight on fraud and corruption at New Labour’s eb4u in a Whistleblowing case. Most of you wouldn’t know one end of a law book from another.
But when asked a question about West Bank settlements it ‘has no bearing on the reality of life in Brighton.’ On the contrary, the world is interdependent. Global warming doesn’t stop at the channel and neither do the activities of the multi-nationals and the right-wing whiners have nothing to say about those who are powerful in society, they prefer their prejudices served up by the Daily Express or Mail (or is it the Sun and Sport?).
No doubt Porkie and ShoveurJules were whooping it when the Sun printed their scurrilous lies about Liverpool fans and Hillsborough and the Police were engaged in a criminal conspiracy of monstrous proportions, because they have never learnt to challenge authority or ask any questions of their own.
The answer on West Bank settlements is quite clear. They have no business there and the idea you can go to someone else’s country waving the Bible as some kind of land register is all to typical of the Christian fundamentalists who butchered over a hundred thousand Maya Indians in Guatemala under Rios Montt (you can google it and learn something!).

But according to ‘somethingsowrong�
��
�� (what exactly?) ‘Having the ability to think and act effectively locally can only be done in the context of macro thinking’. Err yes and the macro is built on the micro!
‘Repeatedly quoting distant historical events and criticising authors of the truth doesn't change the present and people like you won't influence the future.’
History points to the future if you are able or prepared to learn from it. and the pair of you clearly have capability issues as you are unable to do so.
‘The good people of Brighton recognise that these silly little attempts at protest e.g. this, Smash EDO, Occupy Brighton’ Movements come and go, but their effect remains. The fact that you have the vote is because groups like the Chartists got off their bottoms and did something rather than whine on right-wing blogs. But at least they and others tried. No doubt the suffragettes were ‘scruffy and disheveled miscreants off the streets’. Who knows, who cares, only the superficial ‘minds’ that spout forth here are bothered with form not substance.

hursthill in his normal incoherent fashion compares my interest in the Middle East to that of Jimmy Saville and children. But it wasn’t me who fawned at the feet of this odious specimen but hursthill and co. It was obvious that there was something wrong with him from the start. But there again, he wasn’t dishevelled! Why even the Sun, having printed all his PR guff for years has now turned against him so there’s hope for Hursthill and his ilk.
cancelaccount believes that boycotting Israeli shops is the precursor to krystallnacht. Get real. Krystalnacht occurred because of the same right-wing fools who fawned at Hitler’s feet as write on this blog. The same whingers who complain about anyone seeing beyond the end of their nose. If the Zionist movement hadn’t broken the Boycott of Nazi Germany (oh yes, 60% of capital investment in the Yishuv (Jewish Palestine) came from Nazi Germany via something called Ha'avara - google it) then maybe a lot of the things that then happened would not have occurred.
But no doubt Somethingsarejustwro ng and Cancelhisaccount and fellow whingers would have said ‘ but this is beyond the English Channel’ what is it to do with us before getting into bed with the EDL?:
‘I work for a living and have more important things to do like serve the populas of brighton’ so do most people before they get sacked.
‘Cancelhisaccount�
��
�� was ‘raised in a marxist/zionist household’. No such thing. That’s why the Zionist left has all but disappeared. You either believe in solidarity across national groups or you are a Jewish chauvinist. Mapam, the group in question is no more – no newspaper, nothing except a Kibbutz Federation that exploits Oriental Jewish and Israeli Arab workers. It is an example of how nationalism and socialism don’t go hand in hand, hence the turn to religion. I turned away from Orthodox Judaism because they used the Bible to justify oppression (Joshua) you did the opposite.
Anyway I think it’s time to wrap this blog up because only right-wing obsessives (except for Gaz and one or 2 sensible people) are reading it.

Still stuck in that "Left-Right" paradigm aren't you? That's sooo 20th Century. I was right earlier. You really are a pig ignorant ****. A filthy, Marxist bigot. Your sort caused the deaths of 100 million + people in the last century alone. Your political views have been proven time and time again to be unworkable, and only able to be enforced through repression and dictatorship. Do us all a favour, **** off and die.

You're still getting up our noses I see.

Having been to both Israel and Palestine a number of times, I can agree with the person above who says that Palestinians deserve their own country. Don't tar them all with the same brush, the majority of Palestinians are lovely people who want nothing more than enough to eat and a roof over their heads, which sadly all too many of them haven't got. Only a small fraction of Palestinians want to wage war on Israel and vice versa, most Israelis and Palestinians can and do get on well with one another. It's a pity that borders can't be drawn up and respected and that both countries can't exist peacefully side by side.

wendy-uk wrote:
Having been to both Israel and Palestine a number of times, I can agree with the person above who says that Palestinians deserve their own country. Don't tar them all with the same brush, the majority of Palestinians are lovely people who want nothing more than enough to eat and a roof over their heads, which sadly all too many of them haven't got. Only a small fraction of Palestinians want to wage war on Israel and vice versa, most Israelis and Palestinians can and do get on well with one another. It's a pity that borders can't be drawn up and respected and that both countries can't exist peacefully side by side.

I suspect you're right, that the vast majority of people are happy to rub along. Unfortunately, the world is run by those that turn up, and any politician who turns up is likely to have a vast ego as a pre-requisite for thinking their views are more worthy of consideration than anyone else's. And we suffer for the fact they are likely quite extreme.

The world from day 1 is a story of continuous struggle, of groups set against each other for real or imagined reasons. In that respect the Israeli's and Palestinians are like any other opposing groups.

Unfortunately, the politicians that turn up everywhere are zealous, and rarely even handed. So there is little chance of resolving the conflict any time soon. Certainly, protesting in Western Road never changed anything.

Interestingly, in many cultures in the Middle East, such as Iraq, or Afghanistan, the ordinary person in the street doesn't want democracy. Many people are perfectly happy with a benevolent dictator as it takes the hassle out of life. Witness the Eastern Bloc countries that turned back to communism in large numbers after being introduced to a Western political environment with all its pitfalls. They forgot communist states such as Russia, that killed more of its people than the Nazi's did, the massacres in Cambodia, North Korea that is killing its citizens by starvation (although I note the latest glorious leader isn't living on boiled grass and eating shoe leather).

We should be wary of exremists wherever we find them - and that includes palestine, Israel and the comments section of the Argus.

The real hypocrisy is that those who say we should not have anything to do with countries in the Middle East or elsewhere are the ones we interfered with in the first place.

It was the Balfour Declaration of 1917 that sealed the alliance between British imperialism and the Zionist movement.

We made Political Islam what it is. If another country had settled parts of Britain for close to 100 years then I suspect that the reaction, which could have taken a religious form, would be something like Al Quaeda. In fact the Palestinian reaction to the apartheid state imposed on them has been extremely moderate.

Everywhere Britain has gone - be it India/Pakistan or Ireland it has brought bloodshed and tragedy in its wake. But there are those who see nothing wrong in Britain's record, even now when the truth about the Hola camp atrocities in Kenya are finally emerging (along with the same old cover ups)

tonygreenstein wrote:
The real hypocrisy is that those who say we should not have anything to do with countries in the Middle East or elsewhere are the ones we interfered with in the first place.

It was the Balfour Declaration of 1917 that sealed the alliance between British imperialism and the Zionist movement.

We made Political Islam what it is. If another country had settled parts of Britain for close to 100 years then I suspect that the reaction, which could have taken a religious form, would be something like Al Quaeda. In fact the Palestinian reaction to the apartheid state imposed on them has been extremely moderate.

Everywhere Britain has gone - be it India/Pakistan or Ireland it has brought bloodshed and tragedy in its wake. But there are those who see nothing wrong in Britain's record, even now when the truth about the Hola camp atrocities in Kenya are finally emerging (along with the same old cover ups)

Greenstein's racist anti British rant is nothing new. He always supports enemies of Britain - in particular if they are left wing murderers like Mugabe. He is also a hypocrite. As I have pointed out before, in the 1970's and 1980's he used to demonstrate against Barclays Bank because it had links with South Africa. After the demo he would then nip in to cash a cheque because he banked with Barclays - probably still does. So much for his "moral" stance. Greenstein (AKA Dave Spart)is a puerile posturer.

Can someone tell me why the Middle East envoy - Tony Blair wasn't it - isn't working on the grander problems causing such a fuss above ! Then we could all get on with our lives in Brighton without having the pavement's blocked.

Oops sorry forgot he's too busy lining his own pockets now having broken the UK's bank.

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:

tonygreenstein wrote:
The real hypocrisy is that those who say we should not have anything to do with countries in the Middle East or elsewhere are the ones we interfered with in the first place.

It was the Balfour Declaration of 1917 that sealed the alliance between British imperialism and the Zionist movement.

We made Political Islam what it is. If another country had settled parts of Britain for close to 100 years then I suspect that the reaction, which could have taken a religious form, would be something like Al Quaeda. In fact the Palestinian reaction to the apartheid state imposed on them has been extremely moderate.

Everywhere Britain has gone - be it India/Pakistan or Ireland it has brought bloodshed and tragedy in its wake. But there are those who see nothing wrong in Britain's record, even now when the truth about the Hola camp atrocities in Kenya are finally emerging (along with the same old cover ups)

Greenstein's racist anti British rant is nothing new. He always supports enemies of Britain - in particular if they are left wing murderers like Mugabe. He is also a hypocrite. As I have pointed out before, in the 1970's and 1980's he used to demonstrate against Barclays Bank because it had links with South Africa. After the demo he would then nip in to cash a cheque because he banked with Barclays - probably still does. So much for his "moral" stance. Greenstein (AKA Dave Spart)is a puerile posturer.

It seems that the appropriately named Cyril Boll***** makes a virtue of his own stupidity and ignorance. How can my comments be racist? They are standard historical analysis, which probably comes from having an MA in history! Did I say all Brits were murderers? Did I say they were better than the Belgians who murdered 10m Africans in the Belgian Congo? Maybe he's just myopic physically. Did I even mention Mugabe?

Or may be Cyril picked on his because he's Black. Now that's racist! Since I don't have an account with Barclays he's wrong on that too but who cares, one mistake among many is typical of the right-wing nutters who inhabit this type of forum.

But what is incontestible is that 'we' i.e. the American and British state supported the very Mujahedeen and Taliban elements who they are now fighting in Afghanistan. Facts my dear boy, facts (to paraphrase Harold MacMillan - another Tory with a few more brain cells than the collective bigots on this forum.

Still, keep demonstrating your ignorance Cyril. It's highly amusing

Tony(green?)stein you are continuing to post utter nonsense and whilst very amusing you are yet to confirm that you intend to stand down the scruffy and disheveled pavement blockers.

No one actually cares about you and your puppets views, or your ridiculous attempts to justify your position and actions in the context of distant history.

We do however care about the present and our pavements being clear and clean so please stop your nuisance.

One last thought for you to ponder on is why you wish to sustain lowest common denominator thinking (i.e. your aspirations are based on dragging everyone down to the same and lowest level instead of targeting improvements driven through increased commitment and contribution)?

No one is owed a living and I am personally quite excited about the next wave of benefit cuts and the ones after which will force people like you and the other scruffy and disheveled out to work.

Let me know when you start paying NI and tax at a level that negates the benefits you have and no doubt are continuing to claim?

The futures bright, the futures Brighton!

You obviously derive great satisfaction because you have a job and others don't. And clearly the fact that other people might find it even more difficult to deal with unemployment thanks to this vile government gives you even greater satisfaction.

And you don't like protesters. You've expressed these exact same facts numerous times over numerous threads with your usual cartoon verbiage.

But do you have any actual opinions about what's going on in the world outside your tiny pond?
I

Why the selective protesting?... is it purely because of the link with the arch-villain, the USA?...... are they active in protest about the slave labour in China and Bangladesh to name but two of many?.... do you resist buying the myriad of products emerging from Brazil these days? Brazil, that emerging economy, that is stripping huge tracts of Amazon rainforest with each passing day? Do you?.... or do you restrict yourself to a very polarised and limited view of the world, a world in your eyes where nobody can do wrong save those connected somehow to the US and its Aliies.?

gaz scott wrote:
You obviously derive great satisfaction because you have a job and others don't. And clearly the fact that other people might find it even more difficult to deal with unemployment thanks to this vile government gives you even greater satisfaction. And you don't like protesters. You've expressed these exact same facts numerous times over numerous threads with your usual cartoon verbiage. But do you have any actual opinions about what's going on in the world outside your tiny pond? I

I must have missed the full employment and cosy society that accompanied the 13 years of drudgery that was presented to us by the previous VILE government.

tonygreenstein wrote:
The real hypocrisy is that those who say we should not have anything to do with countries in the Middle East or elsewhere are the ones we interfered with in the first place. It was the Balfour Declaration of 1917 that sealed the alliance between British imperialism and the Zionist movement. We made Political Islam what it is. If another country had settled parts of Britain for close to 100 years then I suspect that the reaction, which could have taken a religious form, would be something like Al Quaeda. In fact the Palestinian reaction to the apartheid state imposed on them has been extremely moderate. Everywhere Britain has gone - be it India/Pakistan or Ireland it has brought bloodshed and tragedy in its wake. But there are those who see nothing wrong in Britain's record, even now when the truth about the Hola camp atrocities in Kenya are finally emerging (along with the same old cover ups)

Yawn,... Empire!!.... it was a sign of those times, not exclusive to Britain, not to Europe, and certainly not to the middle or far east.

If you want to cling to history, why not go the whole hog and blame Cyrus the Great for returning all the exiled jews to judah ( Jerusalem) in the first place. One suspects that without this mass migration back to the 'promised land', the current problems would be of an altogether different flavour.

gaz scott wrote:
You obviously derive great satisfaction because you have a job and others don't. And clearly the fact that other people might find it even more difficult to deal with unemployment thanks to this vile government gives you even greater satisfaction.

And you don't like protesters. You've expressed these exact same facts numerous times over numerous threads with your usual cartoon verbiage.

But do you have any actual opinions about what's going on in the world outside your tiny pond?
I

Er no, he has no problem with protesters as long as he agrees with them. Or apparently in foreign governments interfering in our right to protest.

Is GroanyGroanstein something coming out of the back end of
The Mighty Horse?

Next it will be digging up a dead DJ to put on trial along with Adolph and solve all known issues - simple when you know everything...

heathgate wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
You obviously derive great satisfaction because you have a job and others don't. And clearly the fact that other people might find it even more difficult to deal with unemployment thanks to this vile government gives you even greater satisfaction. And you don't like protesters. You've expressed these exact same facts numerous times over numerous threads with your usual cartoon verbiage. But do you have any actual opinions about what's going on in the world outside your tiny pond? I

I must have missed the full employment and cosy society that accompanied the 13 years of drudgery that was presented to us by the previous VILE government.

No they were just as bad.

GET FIZZY with a soda stream

Nemeth wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
You obviously derive great satisfaction because you have a job and others don't. And clearly the fact that other people might find it even more difficult to deal with unemployment thanks to this vile government gives you even greater satisfaction.

And you don't like protesters. You've expressed these exact same facts numerous times over numerous threads with your usual cartoon verbiage.

But do you have any actual opinions about what's going on in the world outside your tiny pond?
I

Er no, he has no problem with protesters as long as he agrees with them. Or apparently in foreign governments interfering in our right to protest.

I don't have a problem with anyone who respects others and considers how their actions may impact those around them and ensures no detriment.

I do have a problem with people like Gaz and Tony(green)stein and the small group of scruffy disheveled and I dare guess workshy puppets who through interpretation of their comments seem happy to inflict nuisance on others.

Even Gaz and Tony(green)stein know the difference between right and wrong, yet still peddle their unpalatable wares.

Bring on the benefit cuts, lets hope they are deep enough to cleanse this nasty little wound.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

Nemeth wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
You obviously derive great satisfaction because you have a job and others don't. And clearly the fact that other people might find it even more difficult to deal with unemployment thanks to this vile government gives you even greater satisfaction.

And you don't like protesters. You've expressed these exact same facts numerous times over numerous threads with your usual cartoon verbiage.

But do you have any actual opinions about what's going on in the world outside your tiny pond?
I

Er no, he has no problem with protesters as long as he agrees with them. Or apparently in foreign governments interfering in our right to protest.

I don't have a problem with anyone who respects others and considers how their actions may impact those around them and ensures no detriment.

I do have a problem with people like Gaz and Tony(green)stein and the small group of scruffy disheveled and I dare guess workshy puppets who through interpretation of their comments seem happy to inflict nuisance on others.

Even Gaz and Tony(green)stein know the difference between right and wrong, yet still peddle their unpalatable wares.

Bring on the benefit cuts, lets hope they are deep enough to cleanse this nasty little wound.

Well I'm not too worried if more cuts come and stop me living my glorious life of luxury at your expense. I'll just go back to shop-lifting, burgling houses and mugging old ladies. That way I can keep my 5 bed home and my 14 children in the style to which they've become accustomed.

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

Nemeth wrote:

gaz scott wrote:
You obviously derive great satisfaction because you have a job and others don't. And clearly the fact that other people might find it even more difficult to deal with unemployment thanks to this vile government gives you even greater satisfaction.

And you don't like protesters. You've expressed these exact same facts numerous times over numerous threads with your usual cartoon verbiage.

But do you have any actual opinions about what's going on in the world outside your tiny pond?
I

Er no, he has no problem with protesters as long as he agrees with them. Or apparently in foreign governments interfering in our right to protest.

I don't have a problem with anyone who respects others and considers how their actions may impact those around them and ensures no detriment.

I do have a problem with people like Gaz and Tony(green)stein and the small group of scruffy disheveled and I dare guess workshy puppets who through interpretation of their comments seem happy to inflict nuisance on others.

Even Gaz and Tony(green)stein know the difference between right and wrong, yet still peddle their unpalatable wares.

Bring on the benefit cuts, lets hope they are deep enough to cleanse this nasty little wound.

Well I'm not too worried if more cuts come and stop me living my glorious life of luxury at your expense. I'll just go back to shop-lifting, burgling houses and mugging old ladies. That way I can keep my 5 bed home and my 14 children in the style to which they've become accustomed.

Predictable comment from a predictable poster with a history of one dimensional thinking and confrontation.

Bring on the cuts and here's to a bright future in Brighton where the homeless, drunken begging fraternity will simply be a distant memory.

This story seems to be about activists who say a company has a factory in a spot of the planet where one lot are denied equal rights with another lot.

Can we please have a story about some spot on the planet where everyone does have equal rights with everyone else?
It would be more newsworthy (if it existed).

Any cause led by Greenstein is heading for trouble. Bound to slide towards infighting, handbags at dawn, personal feuds etc.

They'll sort it out in the end. Demographically speaking the land cannot remain a jewish state long term and in the pages of history what is 64 years? The last european occupation of the Holy Land after the first crusade was longer but still didn't last. The worm will turn and the current bullies will regret their current behaviour.

Having just found this thread, after posting on the other one, about Sodastream, Lucas, nutty protesters, etc, I now realise why Greensteins group has remained about twenty strong for years. I didn't realise just how deeply unpopular he is with the people of Brighton and as such, all the while he heads up that horrible little group of protestors, no one will ever want to join them. One read of his blog will send any potential convert screamimg for the hills.

Greenstein's middle east knowledge and comments are laughable. He is extremely one sided and thinks everyone else is an idiot who is just going to accept what he says.

You don't need to be an expert on Israel, just read his views and opinions and take the complete opposite stance and you will be about right.

BDS, at its heart, is a tool designed to win a propaganda war, not help bring a real peace. It is a blunt weapon of ideological hostility, not human empathy and engagement. It is neither a genuine response to the suffering endured by both peoples nor a program designed to address effectively the complex challenge of improving their lot.

Focusing on BDS in any form weakens other, constructive forms of engagement and action that seek to bring Israelis and Palestinians together. Choosing even partial BDS as policy promotes a vision which undermines the principles of engagement, tolerance, dialogue and coexistence and makes it more difficult to establish trust, mutual awareness and compromise.

http://youtu.be/_ZY8

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Human empathy and engagement? You mean the "human empathy and engagement" shown by Israelis picnicking on the hills overlooking Gaza, who cheered and drank cocktails while death and destruction rained down on women and children? Gotcha!

Lets put Operation 'Cast Lead' into perspective. The Israelis did not target civilians, and the people on the hills over-looking Gaza were not rejoicing in the deaths of women and children, most were simply glad that after suffering 8 years of attacks from 12,000 rockets that something was being done about it and that terrorist groups were being systematically targetted.

Yes civilians and women and children were killed, but much of that was down to the way Hamas operated, and to a large extent they were directly responsible for a large proportion of the loss of life of Arab civilians.

Israel is probably the most moral fighting force in the world, and go out of their way to limit collateral damage, and if there is any reason to suspect that men in their fighting were out of line, they take it seriously and investigate fully.

For those who would be interested to hear the truth of the matter, I commend this website and you can weigh up for yourselves just who is pulling the wool over your eyes.

http://www.mfa.gov.i
l/MFA/Terrorism-+Obs
tacle+to+Peace/Hamas
+war+against+Israel/
FAQ-Operation_in_Gaz
a-Legal_Aspects.htm#
43

http://www.arabnews.
com/arab-spring-and-
israeli-enemy

The "most moral fighting force in the world" uses children as human shields.
http://www.dci-pal.o
rg/english/display.c
fm?DocId=1714&Catego
ryId=1