Brighton and Hove council tax rise could go to referendum

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Brighton and Hove residents could hold the key to deciding how much tax they pay next year.

Brighton and Hove City Council’s ruling Green administration is drawing up plans for a 3.5% rise in council tax next year.

But its plans were dealt a fresh blow yesterday after the Government announced any rise of more than 2% would automatically trigger a referendum.

It means the minority administration would first have to persuade opposition groups to agree to a rise and then would have to ask residents to ratify it.

If locals rejected the rise the council would be forced to scrap its plans and set a budget based on a maximum tax rise of 2%.

The move was announced by Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne who said he wanted to freeze council tax for the third year in a row.

He said councils would be given additional grants equivalent to them setting a rates rise of 1% if they agreed not to increase tax.

Last year Green plans to increase council tax were defeated when Labour and Conservative councillors voted together against them.

An Argus referendum in January revealed 68% of readers were against the increase.

Council leader Jason Kitcat said he was keen for history not to repeat itself but wanted to stick by his party’s plans for a tax increase.

He said: “We will look at whatever comes out of government next week.

“If it is the same deal as last year I would be very unlikely to support it.

“My aim is to try to find some sort of cross party consensus on the budget. We want to deliver services and so I hope we could find some common ground. If not we will go to a vote and see how that goes.”

Were there to be a referendum, the cost of which would likely run into the tens of thousands of pounds, it would be organised by the council and voters would be given at least 28 days to decide.

In the interim the tax rate would increase but if voters rejected the proposals the money would be credited back onto their bills.

Coun Kitcat can rule out any support from Conservative group leader Geoffrey Theobald, who maintained his stance for a freeze.

He said: “I have always said there should be a council tax freeze. Residents should not have it inflicted upon them. No doubt Mr Kitcat will try again though. If there is a referendum we will not support the rise and Argus readers and the city’s residents will say no to it.”

But Labour group leader Councillor Gill Mitchell was more measured in her response.

She said: “We will wait to see if there will be a council tax freeze grant offered which is not clear at the moment. We want to protect people’s budgets as far as possible.”

Hove MP Mike Weatherley supported the idea of a referendum, something he pushed for last year.

He said: “The Green Party needs to explain why it wants the rise and it is right we ask the people on something so important as council tax and money.”

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9:42am Mon 8 Oct 12

F in L says...

So, it will be 2 percent plus the 1 percent grant less the waste of money on the referendum
So, it will be 2 percent plus the 1 percent grant less the waste of money on the referendum F in L
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9:51am Mon 8 Oct 12

Joshiman says...

So you are 700k short because of your car parking strategy/new cycle lanes etc and now you want to con us with a costly referendum and an increase in Council Tax.Such an inexperienced Council.
So you are 700k short because of your car parking strategy/new cycle lanes etc and now you want to con us with a costly referendum and an increase in Council Tax.Such an inexperienced Council. Joshiman
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10:00am Mon 8 Oct 12

linnig says...

Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.
Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city. linnig
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10:04am Mon 8 Oct 12

pwlr1966 says...

Set the rise to 2% and save us all the cost of a referendum, it's not rocket science!
Set the rise to 2% and save us all the cost of a referendum, it's not rocket science! pwlr1966
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10:11am Mon 8 Oct 12

Kate234 says...

What about cutting council tax instead of freezing it. Forget rises lets see cuts in council tax to help people. For a start lets cut out the Green Party and lets have a referendum on this.
What about cutting council tax instead of freezing it. Forget rises lets see cuts in council tax to help people. For a start lets cut out the Green Party and lets have a referendum on this. Kate234
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10:23am Mon 8 Oct 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

The referendum would be a pointless exercise as I think we can all guess the result. (Although I would be one of the few to vote in favour of a 3.5% rise).

If they're going to have a referendum I wish they'd let us vote on what we think the money would be spent on, a bit like that on-line budget exercise they did last year. I really enjoyed doing that - and I was able to balance the budget!
The referendum would be a pointless exercise as I think we can all guess the result. (Although I would be one of the few to vote in favour of a 3.5% rise). If they're going to have a referendum I wish they'd let us vote on what we think the money would be spent on, a bit like that on-line budget exercise they did last year. I really enjoyed doing that - and I was able to balance the budget! Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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10:23am Mon 8 Oct 12

Omnishambles_1 says...

linnig wrote:
Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.
What are you talking about? I'm assuming that was just a joke?

While we're at it let's implement a tax on the disabled community, their electronic wheel chairs are eating up the pavement gravel like fat pat on new years; this is actually more likely to happen because of course you actually have to actually register to be deemed a disabled person. Unlike all those hippie cyclists just roaming around carefree - let's tax them as well! (?)
[quote][p][bold]linnig[/bold] wrote: Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about? I'm assuming that was just a joke? While we're at it let's implement a tax on the disabled community, their electronic wheel chairs are eating up the pavement gravel like fat pat on new years; this is actually more likely to happen because of course you actually have to actually register to be deemed a disabled person. Unlike all those hippie cyclists just roaming around carefree - let's tax them as well! (?) Omnishambles_1
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11:17am Mon 8 Oct 12

fascinator says...

Like some others here - I'm interested on what the council wants to spend the money on - as long as it goes towards helping to maintain our services, or even improve them, as long as it helps those genuinely unable to help themselves or make ends meet, i dont mind paying a bit extra.
Like some others here - I'm interested on what the council wants to spend the money on - as long as it goes towards helping to maintain our services, or even improve them, as long as it helps those genuinely unable to help themselves or make ends meet, i dont mind paying a bit extra. fascinator
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11:18am Mon 8 Oct 12

pjwilk says...

Tell the Greens to take a running jump.The Government want freeze council tax due to the financial situation.The Greens are a disgrace.
Tell the Greens to take a running jump.The Government want freeze council tax due to the financial situation.The Greens are a disgrace. pjwilk
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11:22am Mon 8 Oct 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Unused cycle lanes and fat payoffs for those who won't bend to the will of the Dear Leader. The i360 pillar of stupidity will have to go as well. The only referendum we need is a vote of no confidence in Jason and the astronauts.
Unused cycle lanes and fat payoffs for those who won't bend to the will of the Dear Leader. The i360 pillar of stupidity will have to go as well. The only referendum we need is a vote of no confidence in Jason and the astronauts. Dealing with idiots
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11:29am Mon 8 Oct 12

Omnishambles_1 says...

fascinator wrote:
Like some others here - I'm interested on what the council wants to spend the money on - as long as it goes towards helping to maintain our services, or even improve them, as long as it helps those genuinely unable to help themselves or make ends meet, i dont mind paying a bit extra.
I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment! This is what being part a community is all about!
[quote][p][bold]fascinator[/bold] wrote: Like some others here - I'm interested on what the council wants to spend the money on - as long as it goes towards helping to maintain our services, or even improve them, as long as it helps those genuinely unable to help themselves or make ends meet, i dont mind paying a bit extra.[/p][/quote]I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment! This is what being part a community is all about! Omnishambles_1
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11:35am Mon 8 Oct 12

Plantpot says...

Can't see people voting for increased council tax, especially if 50+% of voters are required to validate the thing. But as the stadium vote showed, if it's first past the post those with a vested interest come out, the rest remain apathetic because they feel they can't influence anything and think that engaging is a waste of time.
Can't see people voting for increased council tax, especially if 50+% of voters are required to validate the thing. But as the stadium vote showed, if it's first past the post those with a vested interest come out, the rest remain apathetic because they feel they can't influence anything and think that engaging is a waste of time. Plantpot
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11:49am Mon 8 Oct 12

Fight_Back says...

fascinator wrote:
Like some others here - I'm interested on what the council wants to spend the money on - as long as it goes towards helping to maintain our services, or even improve them, as long as it helps those genuinely unable to help themselves or make ends meet, i dont mind paying a bit extra.
A very honourable attitude but what about those of us that have had pay freezes or even cuts over the last four years yet faced ever increasing costs for gas, electric, food and petrol ? We don't get any handouts from the council and try extremely hard to balance our budgets yet the Greens seem keen to push us over the edge. If it wasn't for the ridiculously high costs of running a referendum I'd say bring it on. The Greens would get slaughtered.
[quote][p][bold]fascinator[/bold] wrote: Like some others here - I'm interested on what the council wants to spend the money on - as long as it goes towards helping to maintain our services, or even improve them, as long as it helps those genuinely unable to help themselves or make ends meet, i dont mind paying a bit extra.[/p][/quote]A very honourable attitude but what about those of us that have had pay freezes or even cuts over the last four years yet faced ever increasing costs for gas, electric, food and petrol ? We don't get any handouts from the council and try extremely hard to balance our budgets yet the Greens seem keen to push us over the edge. If it wasn't for the ridiculously high costs of running a referendum I'd say bring it on. The Greens would get slaughtered. Fight_Back
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11:51am Mon 8 Oct 12

clarkebrighton says...

The GREENS will NOT be in Power after the Next Local Elections thank God.

Many Green Supporters are Students &
don't have to Pay Council Tax.
The GREENS will NOT be in Power after the Next Local Elections thank God. Many Green Supporters are Students & don't have to Pay Council Tax. clarkebrighton
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12:08pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Plantpot says...

clarkebrighton wrote:
The GREENS will NOT be in Power after the Next Local Elections thank God.

Many Green Supporters are Students &
don't have to Pay Council Tax.
I wouldn't be so sure. There is so much apathy towards politics that it doesn't take much for people to get in these days. Remember the Greens are in charge with only something like 13% of the total electorate voting for them. The vast majority of people didn't turn out. Unless the traditional opposition parties get people out voting, it could happen all over again.
[quote][p][bold]clarkebrighton[/bold] wrote: The GREENS will NOT be in Power after the Next Local Elections thank God. Many Green Supporters are Students & don't have to Pay Council Tax.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't be so sure. There is so much apathy towards politics that it doesn't take much for people to get in these days. Remember the Greens are in charge with only something like 13% of the total electorate voting for them. The vast majority of people didn't turn out. Unless the traditional opposition parties get people out voting, it could happen all over again. Plantpot
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12:49pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Lady Smith says...

linnig wrote:
Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.
A great suggestion! What a pity we can't tax the buggers for cycling on the pavements, too...
[quote][p][bold]linnig[/bold] wrote: Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.[/p][/quote]A great suggestion! What a pity we can't tax the buggers for cycling on the pavements, too... Lady Smith
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12:58pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Metro Reader says...

Well this just proves finally that the greens have no idea who to run anything.

Are they taking hallucinogenic drugs? I can imagine it now " - how can we get in the news, let’s spend money that we don’t have, on a referendum (that we can fix later to get the result we want) to see who we can spend even more money we don’t have"

If they Stopped digging up roads and putting in 24 hour bus and cycle lanes that we not needed they would have money for essential services.

Says a lot about the whole lot of B&H councillors when a minority party is in control.
Well this just proves finally that the greens have no idea who to run anything. Are they taking hallucinogenic drugs? I can imagine it now " - how can we get in the news, let’s spend money that we don’t have, on a referendum (that we can fix later to get the result we want) to see who we can spend even more money we don’t have" If they Stopped digging up roads and putting in 24 hour bus and cycle lanes that we not needed they would have money for essential services. Says a lot about the whole lot of B&H councillors when a minority party is in control. Metro Reader
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1:07pm Mon 8 Oct 12

PorkBoat says...

So they give away £14 million in a gigantic fraud, then have the gall to ask for a council tax rise? In other countries, these liars and thieves would be dangling on the end of a rope. In Britain, we sigh and say "Well, what can you do? Oh what's that, another series of X Factor and Strictly Come Dancing?". How much further do you want them to push you? Leaving comments in the Argus will do no good. Voting for another party will make little difference. Bread and circuses. Without the bread.
So they give away £14 million in a gigantic fraud, then have the gall to ask for a council tax rise? In other countries, these liars and thieves would be dangling on the end of a rope. In Britain, we sigh and say "Well, what can you do? Oh what's that, another series of X Factor and Strictly Come Dancing?". How much further do you want them to push you? Leaving comments in the Argus will do no good. Voting for another party will make little difference. Bread and circuses. Without the bread. PorkBoat
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1:26pm Mon 8 Oct 12

gmgc81 says...

The Tories AND the Greens are idiots. The Tories for coming up with the stupid idea of a referendum. What a waste of money. Then again I'd expect nothing less from George Osborne: the Chancellor who claimed he'd cut the deficit yet he and his party are causing it to go up.

As for the Greens, they really don't know how to arrange an inebriation at a brewery, do they?
The Tories AND the Greens are idiots. The Tories for coming up with the stupid idea of a referendum. What a waste of money. Then again I'd expect nothing less from George Osborne: the Chancellor who claimed he'd cut the deficit yet he and his party are causing it to go up. As for the Greens, they really don't know how to arrange an inebriation at a brewery, do they? gmgc81
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1:30pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Fight_Back says...

gmgc81 wrote:
The Tories AND the Greens are idiots. The Tories for coming up with the stupid idea of a referendum. What a waste of money. Then again I'd expect nothing less from George Osborne: the Chancellor who claimed he'd cut the deficit yet he and his party are causing it to go up.

As for the Greens, they really don't know how to arrange an inebriation at a brewery, do they?
So you don't think asking the council tax payers to approve excessive rises is a good idea then ? Joy !!!! Using that logic the Greens could have attempted to force through 5-7% rises every year they were in power.
[quote][p][bold]gmgc81[/bold] wrote: The Tories AND the Greens are idiots. The Tories for coming up with the stupid idea of a referendum. What a waste of money. Then again I'd expect nothing less from George Osborne: the Chancellor who claimed he'd cut the deficit yet he and his party are causing it to go up. As for the Greens, they really don't know how to arrange an inebriation at a brewery, do they?[/p][/quote]So you don't think asking the council tax payers to approve excessive rises is a good idea then ? Joy !!!! Using that logic the Greens could have attempted to force through 5-7% rises every year they were in power. Fight_Back
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1:41pm Mon 8 Oct 12

ripmaxman says...

The Greens now want the residents of Brighton and Hove to pay for their incompetence because of the short fall in parking charges and the so called loan for the i360!

What other things have they wasted our money on?

Have a break get rid of Kitcat
The Greens now want the residents of Brighton and Hove to pay for their incompetence because of the short fall in parking charges and the so called loan for the i360! What other things have they wasted our money on? Have a break get rid of Kitcat ripmaxman
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1:44pm Mon 8 Oct 12

funkyyoyo says...

ditto,kitkats living in cloud cuckkoo land,shame lucas didnt take him away in her brusselss megatron ufo!!! roll on next elections
ditto,kitkats living in cloud cuckkoo land,shame lucas didnt take him away in her brusselss megatron ufo!!! roll on next elections funkyyoyo
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1:45pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

You make a good point Fight_Back. If a referendum is automatically triggered for an above 2% rise it does mean that whoever's in charge (especially with the safety of an election a few years away) they do have to think twice before airly announcing that Council Tax will go up by 7, 8, 9% in order to 'protect essential services and honour manifesto pledges'. Instead they have to balance our natural desire to want lots of services with our natural desire not to want to pay for them.

We, the people, have to approve the budget. Very American!
You make a good point Fight_Back. If a referendum is automatically triggered for an above 2% rise it does mean that whoever's in charge (especially with the safety of an election a few years away) they do have to think twice before airly announcing that Council Tax will go up by 7, 8, 9% in order to 'protect essential services and honour manifesto pledges'. Instead they have to balance our natural desire to want lots of services with our natural desire not to want to pay for them. We, the people, have to approve the budget. Very American! Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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1:52pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Fight_Back says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
You make a good point Fight_Back. If a referendum is automatically triggered for an above 2% rise it does mean that whoever's in charge (especially with the safety of an election a few years away) they do have to think twice before airly announcing that Council Tax will go up by 7, 8, 9% in order to 'protect essential services and honour manifesto pledges'. Instead they have to balance our natural desire to want lots of services with our natural desire not to want to pay for them.

We, the people, have to approve the budget. Very American!
Agreed - although I think the 2% threshold is a little low - it should be set at the average RPI or CPI rate for the prevailing 12 months. That way it will highlight councils that aren't any good at entering contracts with their suppliers.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: You make a good point Fight_Back. If a referendum is automatically triggered for an above 2% rise it does mean that whoever's in charge (especially with the safety of an election a few years away) they do have to think twice before airly announcing that Council Tax will go up by 7, 8, 9% in order to 'protect essential services and honour manifesto pledges'. Instead they have to balance our natural desire to want lots of services with our natural desire not to want to pay for them. We, the people, have to approve the budget. Very American![/p][/quote]Agreed - although I think the 2% threshold is a little low - it should be set at the average RPI or CPI rate for the prevailing 12 months. That way it will highlight councils that aren't any good at entering contracts with their suppliers. Fight_Back
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1:59pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Morpheus says...

pwlr1966 wrote:
Set the rise to 2% and save us all the cost of a referendum, it's not rocket science!
A council saving the money they take from us. How ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]pwlr1966[/bold] wrote: Set the rise to 2% and save us all the cost of a referendum, it's not rocket science![/p][/quote]A council saving the money they take from us. How ridiculous. Morpheus
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3:09pm Mon 8 Oct 12

rolivan says...

I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?
I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt? rolivan
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3:12pm Mon 8 Oct 12

bloggs551 says...

I'm all for the vote as long as only those who actually pay (Their own) council tax are eligible.
I'm all for the vote as long as only those who actually pay (Their own) council tax are eligible. bloggs551
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3:12pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The answer is no because we don't trust this council.
Sadly, until they can demonstrate that they will spend the money on front line services such as children and the elderly and disabled, instead of frittering money away on vanity schemes, I will not support an increase.
I honestly don't know how some of these councillors live with their consciences taking money from the EU to install a cycle lane when the Greeks cannot get enough money to pay for treatment in their hospitals.
It's shocking, and then we get some councillors from the same party saying their are Christian.
Well I haven't seen a more unChristian lot since the Tories came to power.
I prefer to support charities than entrust a rise in council tax to these selfish crackpots.
The answer is no because we don't trust this council. Sadly, until they can demonstrate that they will spend the money on front line services such as children and the elderly and disabled, instead of frittering money away on vanity schemes, I will not support an increase. I honestly don't know how some of these councillors live with their consciences taking money from the EU to install a cycle lane when the Greeks cannot get enough money to pay for treatment in their hospitals. It's shocking, and then we get some councillors from the same party saying their are Christian. Well I haven't seen a more unChristian lot since the Tories came to power. I prefer to support charities than entrust a rise in council tax to these selfish crackpots. Maxwell's Ghost
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3:12pm Mon 8 Oct 12

bloggs551 says...

I'm all for the vote as long as only those who actually pay (Their own) council tax are eligible.
I'm all for the vote as long as only those who actually pay (Their own) council tax are eligible. bloggs551
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3:53pm Mon 8 Oct 12

charlie smirke says...

The Greens should drop any rise in the tax, we pay far too much already. Then no need for a vote. Then, they should concentrate on colllecting the vast sums of council tax arrears to make up the deficit.
The Greens should drop any rise in the tax, we pay far too much already. Then no need for a vote. Then, they should concentrate on colllecting the vast sums of council tax arrears to make up the deficit. charlie smirke
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4:52pm Mon 8 Oct 12

F in L says...

Omnishambles_1 wrote:
linnig wrote:
Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.
What are you talking about? I'm assuming that was just a joke?

While we're at it let's implement a tax on the disabled community, their electronic wheel chairs are eating up the pavement gravel like fat pat on new years; this is actually more likely to happen because of course you actually have to actually register to be deemed a disabled person. Unlike all those hippie cyclists just roaming around carefree - let's tax them as well! (?)
We are not building special Wheelchair Lanes or Hippy Pathways yet, but when we do `i am with you 100 percent
[quote][p][bold]Omnishambles_1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linnig[/bold] wrote: Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about? I'm assuming that was just a joke? While we're at it let's implement a tax on the disabled community, their electronic wheel chairs are eating up the pavement gravel like fat pat on new years; this is actually more likely to happen because of course you actually have to actually register to be deemed a disabled person. Unlike all those hippie cyclists just roaming around carefree - let's tax them as well! (?)[/p][/quote]We are not building special Wheelchair Lanes or Hippy Pathways yet, but when we do `i am with you 100 percent F in L
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4:57pm Mon 8 Oct 12

alyn, southwick says...

rolivan wrote:
I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?
Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as:
* armed forces accommodation
* annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner
* homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home)
* people with learning difficulties.

I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay?

(By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?[/p][/quote]Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as: * armed forces accommodation * annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner * homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home) * people with learning difficulties. I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay? (By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.) alyn, southwick
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5:17pm Mon 8 Oct 12

linnig says...

Omnishambles_1 wrote:
linnig wrote:
Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.
What are you talking about? I'm assuming that was just a joke?

While we're at it let's implement a tax on the disabled community, their electronic wheel chairs are eating up the pavement gravel like fat pat on new years; this is actually more likely to happen because of course you actually have to actually register to be deemed a disabled person. Unlike all those hippie cyclists just roaming around carefree - let's tax them as well! (?)
Omnishambles_1 Are you crazy?? Disabled people don't ride cycles! Why should my £330 road tax go towards building cycle lanes? (there's a massive on the A27 never seen anyone on it) While im at it, why should landlords who buy to rent (to students) be exempt from paying? They are turning over a pretty good profit...make em pay...
[quote][p][bold]Omnishambles_1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linnig[/bold] wrote: Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.[/p][/quote]What are you talking about? I'm assuming that was just a joke? While we're at it let's implement a tax on the disabled community, their electronic wheel chairs are eating up the pavement gravel like fat pat on new years; this is actually more likely to happen because of course you actually have to actually register to be deemed a disabled person. Unlike all those hippie cyclists just roaming around carefree - let's tax them as well! (?)[/p][/quote]Omnishambles_1 Are you crazy?? Disabled people don't ride cycles! Why should my £330 road tax go towards building cycle lanes? (there's a massive on the A27 never seen anyone on it) While im at it, why should landlords who buy to rent (to students) be exempt from paying? They are turning over a pretty good profit...make em pay... linnig
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5:53pm Mon 8 Oct 12

rolivan says...

alyn, southwick wrote:
rolivan wrote:
I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?
Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as:
* armed forces accommodation
* annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner
* homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home)
* people with learning difficulties.

I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay?

(By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)
No just those that are profiting i.e.Buy to Let Property Owners.
[quote][p][bold]alyn, southwick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?[/p][/quote]Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as: * armed forces accommodation * annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner * homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home) * people with learning difficulties. I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay? (By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)[/p][/quote]No just those that are profiting i.e.Buy to Let Property Owners. rolivan
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5:59pm Mon 8 Oct 12

alyn, southwick says...

rolivan wrote:
alyn, southwick wrote:
rolivan wrote:
I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?
Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as:
* armed forces accommodation
* annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner
* homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home)
* people with learning difficulties.

I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay?

(By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)
No just those that are profiting i.e.Buy to Let Property Owners.
the owners don't pay the occupants do - so tax is paid on "Buy to let" properties, There is no exemption per se for "buy to let" properties, there would have to be some other criteria for it to gain exemption.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alyn, southwick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?[/p][/quote]Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as: * armed forces accommodation * annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner * homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home) * people with learning difficulties. I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay? (By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)[/p][/quote]No just those that are profiting i.e.Buy to Let Property Owners.[/p][/quote]the owners don't pay the occupants do - so tax is paid on "Buy to let" properties, There is no exemption [i]per se[/i] for "buy to let" properties, there would have to be some other criteria for it to gain exemption. alyn, southwick
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6:28pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Fight_Back says...

rolivan wrote:
alyn, southwick wrote:
rolivan wrote:
I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?
Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as:
* armed forces accommodation
* annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner
* homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home)
* people with learning difficulties.

I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay?

(By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)
No just those that are profiting i.e.Buy to Let Property Owners.
Errrr ..... landlords have to pay the Council Tax when their properties are empty and the tenants pay it when the property is let. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant though !
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alyn, southwick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?[/p][/quote]Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as: * armed forces accommodation * annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner * homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home) * people with learning difficulties. I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay? (By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)[/p][/quote]No just those that are profiting i.e.Buy to Let Property Owners.[/p][/quote]Errrr ..... landlords have to pay the Council Tax when their properties are empty and the tenants pay it when the property is let. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant though ! Fight_Back
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7:08pm Mon 8 Oct 12

rolivan says...

Fight_Back wrote:
rolivan wrote:
alyn, southwick wrote:
rolivan wrote:
I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?
Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as:
* armed forces accommodation
* annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner
* homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home)
* people with learning difficulties.

I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay?

(By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)
No just those that are profiting i.e.Buy to Let Property Owners.
Errrr ..... landlords have to pay the Council Tax when their properties are empty and the tenants pay it when the property is let. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant though !
Not if they are Students and how many Students live in Brighton and Hove?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alyn, southwick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?[/p][/quote]Perhaps it might be better to know why they are exempt - its not just students who are exempt. others are too, such as: * armed forces accommodation * annexes such as a garden flat if it is lived in by the children of the main home's owner * homes where the owner has died are exempt for up to six months after probate is granted (your legal right to sell the home) * people with learning difficulties. I suspect you may wish people who are exempt to actually pay - do you want any of these groups to pay? (By the way many people with Learning difficulties are also having their care cut.)[/p][/quote]No just those that are profiting i.e.Buy to Let Property Owners.[/p][/quote]Errrr ..... landlords have to pay the Council Tax when their properties are empty and the tenants pay it when the property is let. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant though ![/p][/quote]Not if they are Students and how many Students live in Brighton and Hove? rolivan
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9:12pm Mon 8 Oct 12

george smith says...

Why are they still wasting money felling trees in wild park spending a small fortune on hiring sheep
Why are they still wasting money felling trees in wild park spending a small fortune on hiring sheep george smith
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9:23pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

gmgc81 wrote:
The Tories AND the Greens are idiots. The Tories for coming up with the stupid idea of a referendum. What a waste of money. Then again I'd expect nothing less from George Osborne: the Chancellor who claimed he'd cut the deficit yet he and his party are causing it to go up.

As for the Greens, they really don't know how to arrange an inebriation at a brewery, do they?
Ok Labour supporter what about Prudence Brown and (Load of) Balls I suppose they are entirely innocent of financial idiocy in your book. If it wasn't for them and their ilk we wouldn't have many of the issues currently faced. Yes Labour are idiots of the highest order.

However, I do agree the Greens are hugely incompetent and have no real idea of how to run the city other than to rob the citizens of yet more money all the time.
[quote][p][bold]gmgc81[/bold] wrote: The Tories AND the Greens are idiots. The Tories for coming up with the stupid idea of a referendum. What a waste of money. Then again I'd expect nothing less from George Osborne: the Chancellor who claimed he'd cut the deficit yet he and his party are causing it to go up. As for the Greens, they really don't know how to arrange an inebriation at a brewery, do they?[/p][/quote]Ok Labour supporter what about Prudence Brown and (Load of) Balls I suppose they are entirely innocent of financial idiocy in your book. If it wasn't for them and their ilk we wouldn't have many of the issues currently faced. Yes Labour are idiots of the highest order. However, I do agree the Greens are hugely incompetent and have no real idea of how to run the city other than to rob the citizens of yet more money all the time. Idontbelieveit1948
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2:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Dealing with idiots says...

rolivan wrote:
I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?
Do a freedom of information question. It is free just email the council.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: I would like to know how many properties in Brighton and Hove are Council Tax exempt?[/p][/quote]Do a freedom of information question. It is free just email the council. Dealing with idiots
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2:50pm Tue 9 Oct 12

PorkBoat says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The answer is no because we don't trust this council.
Sadly, until they can demonstrate that they will spend the money on front line services such as children and the elderly and disabled, instead of frittering money away on vanity schemes, I will not support an increase.
I honestly don't know how some of these councillors live with their consciences taking money from the EU to install a cycle lane when the Greeks cannot get enough money to pay for treatment in their hospitals.
It's shocking, and then we get some councillors from the same party saying their are Christian.
Well I haven't seen a more unChristian lot since the Tories came to power.
I prefer to support charities than entrust a rise in council tax to these selfish crackpots.
You'll be shocked and probably disturbed to find out I actually agree with you.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The answer is no because we don't trust this council. Sadly, until they can demonstrate that they will spend the money on front line services such as children and the elderly and disabled, instead of frittering money away on vanity schemes, I will not support an increase. I honestly don't know how some of these councillors live with their consciences taking money from the EU to install a cycle lane when the Greeks cannot get enough money to pay for treatment in their hospitals. It's shocking, and then we get some councillors from the same party saying their are Christian. Well I haven't seen a more unChristian lot since the Tories came to power. I prefer to support charities than entrust a rise in council tax to these selfish crackpots.[/p][/quote]You'll be shocked and probably disturbed to find out I actually agree with you. PorkBoat
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4:49pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Mark63 says...

Lady Smith wrote:
linnig wrote:
Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.
A great suggestion! What a pity we can't tax the buggers for cycling on the pavements, too...
Well said! Car drivers are taxed and taxed again - cyclists get free million pound lanes, free parking and the freedom to cycle just about anywhere as erratically as they like... A tax on cyclists may make them more responsible...
[quote][p][bold]Lady Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]linnig[/bold] wrote: Why cant cyclists contribute towards the cost of cycle lanes? £10 a year for their 'tax' would bring in a few quid and help towards the cost of running this city.[/p][/quote]A great suggestion! What a pity we can't tax the buggers for cycling on the pavements, too...[/p][/quote]Well said! Car drivers are taxed and taxed again - cyclists get free million pound lanes, free parking and the freedom to cycle just about anywhere as erratically as they like... A tax on cyclists may make them more responsible... Mark63
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