Seagull cull ruled out by Brighton and Hove City Council

Seagull rubbish-spreading in Brighton and Hove is set to be tackled with new waste measures - but a cull has been ruled out.

A report by Brighton and Hove City Council has said measures will be taken to prevent gulls from spreading rubbish across the streets.

Meanwhile, the council’s pest control section is set to advise people on how to stop gulls from nesting.

In a report released ahead of a Community Safety Forum, to be held today when the “seagull problem” will be discussed, the council considered the measures which could be taken.

It said: “The council has piloted communal bins in the city centre, which is reducing the amount of domestic food waste in our streets.

“The city domestic refuse services have also been piloting collapsible bins for households, seagull-proof bin sacks and wheelie bins.

“I understand these pilots are soon to be rolled out across the city, along with kerb recycling schemes.”

Elaborating on this, a spokeswoman said: “Last year the council ran a consultation to pilot communal recycling in the Brunswick and Adelaide ward.  We received an 87% positive response, so the pilot scheme was launched in March 2012. 

"It has been really successful so far, and we will be analysing feedback from residents when the pilot scheme ends next March.

"Depending on results in 2013 the council is proposing to widen the consultation with a view to extending the scheme.”

But the council ruled out taking other measures against seagulls, including shooting them.

It said culling birds was not a good idea as they “are capable of making a round trip of 100km in search of food in only a few hours” and “are considered more intelligent than most”.

The report said: “The discharging of firearms in built up areas will have safety implications.

“The poisoning of birds will engage the minds of the health and safety executive, not only for operatives, but also for passers-by when the moribund fall into the street.”

The council also admitted that “Britain was a nation of animal lovers” and this put them off culling seagulls.

It said: “By far the most difficult situation to deal with would be public reaction. The problem at this level would almost certainly result in heated debate, and possibly direct action.”

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9:45am Mon 8 Oct 12

Juleyanne says...

The Argus have forgotten to point out in this article that Herring Gulls are on the 'red endangered list' and are therefore 'protected', a somewhat important point!
The Argus have forgotten to point out in this article that Herring Gulls are on the 'red endangered list' and are therefore 'protected', a somewhat important point! Juleyanne

9:48am Mon 8 Oct 12

Mel@cityclean says...

Am pleased there will not be a cull!! Would be trouble if they had done!! Lots of people like them, they are part of where we live!!
Am pleased there will not be a cull!! Would be trouble if they had done!! Lots of people like them, they are part of where we live!! Mel@cityclean

9:53am Mon 8 Oct 12

Crystal Ball says...

What about a cull of the inconsiderate pleb humans who litter the streets?
What about a cull of the inconsiderate pleb humans who litter the streets? Crystal Ball

9:59am Mon 8 Oct 12

Dingbat99 says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
What about a cull of the inconsiderate pleb humans who litter the streets?
Correct, it's humans who leave the rubbish laying around for the gulls to attack. They are scavengers by nature so if we don't want them to spread rubbish then make sure it's put into proper bins and collected regularly.
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: What about a cull of the inconsiderate pleb humans who litter the streets?[/p][/quote]Correct, it's humans who leave the rubbish laying around for the gulls to attack. They are scavengers by nature so if we don't want them to spread rubbish then make sure it's put into proper bins and collected regularly. Dingbat99

10:07am Mon 8 Oct 12

pwlr1966 says...

My bl00dy neighbor could stop feeding the blighters, then i might not get woken up every morning at 5am by them squawking & the dog could use the garden without being dive bombed every time she sticks her head out of doors.
My bl00dy neighbor could stop feeding the blighters, then i might not get woken up every morning at 5am by them squawking & the dog could use the garden without being dive bombed every time she sticks her head out of doors. pwlr1966

11:03am Mon 8 Oct 12

kerryfee says...

The thing is, it isn't just seagulls that are a problem, the number of pigeons is increasing, they nest on the ledges of buildings and the ground below gets covered in their excrement which has to be a health hazard.
The thing is, it isn't just seagulls that are a problem, the number of pigeons is increasing, they nest on the ledges of buildings and the ground below gets covered in their excrement which has to be a health hazard. kerryfee

11:35am Mon 8 Oct 12

paul76 says...

It's all very well saying procedures are being put in place, but what about the overflowing rubbish bins in the streets not emptied by the bin crews. Gulls jump up onto these and pull the rubbish out.

I also notice that the gulls pull all the recycling out of the recycling bins when they are put out, looking for food. When they don't find any they fly off and don't put it all back!

There are so many that they seem to be desperatly looking for food. Maybe culling them would stop them destroying things hoping to find food.
It's all very well saying procedures are being put in place, but what about the overflowing rubbish bins in the streets not emptied by the bin crews. Gulls jump up onto these and pull the rubbish out. I also notice that the gulls pull all the recycling out of the recycling bins when they are put out, looking for food. When they don't find any they fly off and don't put it all back! There are so many that they seem to be desperatly looking for food. Maybe culling them would stop them destroying things hoping to find food. paul76

12:00pm Mon 8 Oct 12

StyleCop says...

Them seagulls ought to learn to fly properly and then maybe they'd be able to not have to scavenge?

Jonathan Livingstone managed it.

But no, the mass will stay part of the flock and therefore they will never excel and reach a higher plain of existense.

More fool them.

Seagulls are ace. We live by the sea... it kind of goes hand in hand.
Them seagulls ought to learn to fly properly and then maybe they'd be able to not have to scavenge? Jonathan Livingstone managed it. But no, the mass will stay part of the flock and therefore they will never excel and reach a higher plain of existense. More fool them. Seagulls are ace. We live by the sea... it kind of goes hand in hand. StyleCop

12:16pm Mon 8 Oct 12

indiequeen says...

I'm so pleased. As previously said we live by the sea, seagulls are part of the furniture! I sympathise with people who have problems with seagulls being a nuisance on their roofs, balconies etc but there are ways to stop this. I got some bits from a local company No More Birds, problem solved!
I'm so pleased. As previously said we live by the sea, seagulls are part of the furniture! I sympathise with people who have problems with seagulls being a nuisance on their roofs, balconies etc but there are ways to stop this. I got some bits from a local company No More Birds, problem solved! indiequeen

12:42pm Mon 8 Oct 12

getThisCoalitionOut says...

So glad no cull is going to happen - these birds are beautiful and I love them. Yes they can be noisy but people can wear earplugs if it's waking them up and you can get things put on the roof - by professionals - to stop them landing. Netting is not suitable.
So glad no cull is going to happen - these birds are beautiful and I love them. Yes they can be noisy but people can wear earplugs if it's waking them up and you can get things put on the roof - by professionals - to stop them landing. Netting is not suitable. getThisCoalitionOut

12:45pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

If the council stopped allowing properties to be converted into HMOS and then refusing to give the property bigger wheelie bins we wouldn't have plastic bags of rubbish on many streets.
Only yesterday, a number of student properties in my street had piled black bags next to wheelie bins.
Cityclean then turn up and refuse to take the black bags.
Do they knock on doors to get the filthy tenant up or issue spot fines?
NO, Cityclean wait for neighbours to report the problem to the council.
A scrappy old van then turns up and the council sweep most of it up but leave peelings, pasta and other detritus on the pavements.
Perhaps the Argus can ask residents to send photos in to make a wall of shame.
Also the refuse service was one of the areas I hoped the Greens would tackle, but NO, they are scred of the unions and want to do the airy fairy stuff which they choose to do.
The ward councillors in this city are pretty poor in general.
Hove seems to have a few hard working ones, the rest seem to take the allowance to top up salaries in other jobs.
If the council stopped allowing properties to be converted into HMOS and then refusing to give the property bigger wheelie bins we wouldn't have plastic bags of rubbish on many streets. Only yesterday, a number of student properties in my street had piled black bags next to wheelie bins. Cityclean then turn up and refuse to take the black bags. Do they knock on doors to get the filthy tenant up or issue spot fines? NO, Cityclean wait for neighbours to report the problem to the council. A scrappy old van then turns up and the council sweep most of it up but leave peelings, pasta and other detritus on the pavements. Perhaps the Argus can ask residents to send photos in to make a wall of shame. Also the refuse service was one of the areas I hoped the Greens would tackle, but NO, they are scred of the unions and want to do the airy fairy stuff which they choose to do. The ward councillors in this city are pretty poor in general. Hove seems to have a few hard working ones, the rest seem to take the allowance to top up salaries in other jobs. Maxwell's Ghost

12:46pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Lady Smith says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
What about a cull of the inconsiderate pleb humans who litter the streets?
My thoughts exactly!
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: What about a cull of the inconsiderate pleb humans who litter the streets?[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly! Lady Smith

1:34pm Mon 8 Oct 12

lordenglandofsussex says...

Cull the Marxist trash that litter B&H and the country. That would make a nicer country to live in.
Cull the Marxist trash that litter B&H and the country. That would make a nicer country to live in. lordenglandofsussex

1:51pm Mon 8 Oct 12

StyleCop says...

lordenglandofsussex wrote:
Cull the Marxist trash that litter B&H and the country. That would make a nicer country to live in.
I'd blame the smoking ban for the B&H left all over the country, not Groucho - he smoked cigars.
[quote][p][bold]lordenglandofsussex[/bold] wrote: Cull the Marxist trash that litter B&H and the country. That would make a nicer country to live in.[/p][/quote]I'd blame the smoking ban for the B&H left all over the country, not Groucho - he smoked cigars. StyleCop

2:12pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Morpheus says...

I thought the gulls were protected. How can we have a cull?

The rubbish is only spread across the street because we put it there in the first place. I do agree that gulls are intelligent. Certainly compared to the council.
I thought the gulls were protected. How can we have a cull? The rubbish is only spread across the street because we put it there in the first place. I do agree that gulls are intelligent. Certainly compared to the council. Morpheus

2:16pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Flippin Burghers says...

Appeasement didn't stop Goering's boys and it won't stop this lot either. When will we learn? We need anti-aircraft batteries at strategic points, ready for action 24 hours a day.
Appeasement didn't stop Goering's boys and it won't stop this lot either. When will we learn? We need anti-aircraft batteries at strategic points, ready for action 24 hours a day. Flippin Burghers

2:21pm Mon 8 Oct 12

indiequeen says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
So glad no cull is going to happen - these birds are beautiful and I love them. Yes they can be noisy but people can wear earplugs if it's waking them up and you can get things put on the roof - by professionals - to stop them landing. Netting is not suitable.
Netting is sometimes appropriate and not harmful to birds as long as is it the correct size and fitted correctly. As you stated - ask the professionals.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: So glad no cull is going to happen - these birds are beautiful and I love them. Yes they can be noisy but people can wear earplugs if it's waking them up and you can get things put on the roof - by professionals - to stop them landing. Netting is not suitable.[/p][/quote]Netting is sometimes appropriate and not harmful to birds as long as is it the correct size and fitted correctly. As you stated - ask the professionals. indiequeen

3:23pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Forename Surname says...

Not only should we have a cull of humans who litter the streets, we should also have a cull of humans who don't pick up after their dogs have fouled the pavements.

If we want a scapegoat for everything ugly and ruinous on this planet, we just need a mirror.
Not only should we have a cull of humans who litter the streets, we should also have a cull of humans who don't pick up after their dogs have fouled the pavements. If we want a scapegoat for everything ugly and ruinous on this planet, we just need a mirror. Forename Surname

4:39pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Fercri Sakes says...

lordenglandofsussex wrote:
Cull the Marxist trash that litter B&H and the country. That would make a nicer country to live in.
Ha, you should get them to work on your large estate for free instead. A bit of slavery never did anybody any harm, look at the US.

Can we also send poor 8-year olds down the pits and up chimneys? If you can't send your kids to private school then they'll never equate anything anyway. And lets turn public hospitals into workhouses too.
[quote][p][bold]lordenglandofsussex[/bold] wrote: Cull the Marxist trash that litter B&H and the country. That would make a nicer country to live in.[/p][/quote]Ha, you should get them to work on your large estate for free instead. A bit of slavery never did anybody any harm, look at the US. Can we also send poor 8-year olds down the pits and up chimneys? If you can't send your kids to private school then they'll never equate anything anyway. And lets turn public hospitals into workhouses too. Fercri Sakes

10:22pm Mon 8 Oct 12

leobrighton says...

So our elected representatives are talking about murdering countless innocent animals. Did they tell us they would be considering this? Did we vote for people knowing they enviseged armed men walking the streets shooting birds? They may have decided against it but they obviously seriously considered it, only thinking it may count against them. What kind of people are these councillors and politicians? Utterly selfish and uncaring incompetent soulless individuals who are only interested in their own personal gain and entertain themselves with the thoughts that they have been voted for by in reality a small percentage of the population. Sickening!
So our elected representatives are talking about murdering countless innocent animals. Did they tell us they would be considering this? Did we vote for people knowing they enviseged armed men walking the streets shooting birds? They may have decided against it but they obviously seriously considered it, only thinking it may count against them. What kind of people are these councillors and politicians? Utterly selfish and uncaring incompetent soulless individuals who are only interested in their own personal gain and entertain themselves with the thoughts that they have been voted for by in reality a small percentage of the population. Sickening! leobrighton

11:07pm Mon 8 Oct 12

hubby says...

Kill them!!!
Kill them all!!!
Wipe them off the face of the earth.They are vermin and don't deserve to exist.
We all hate them.
They are ugly,unintelligent and serve no purpose.

Sorry,I can't remember if I am ranting about the seagulls or the green party.
Kill them!!! Kill them all!!! Wipe them off the face of the earth.They are vermin and don't deserve to exist. We all hate them. They are ugly,unintelligent and serve no purpose. Sorry,I can't remember if I am ranting about the seagulls or the green party. hubby

11:30pm Mon 8 Oct 12

hubby says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
What about a cull of the inconsiderate pleb humans who litter the streets?
Looks like we're stuck with them!
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: What about a cull of the inconsiderate pleb humans who litter the streets?[/p][/quote]Looks like we're stuck with them! hubby

8:50am Tue 9 Oct 12

Juleyanne says...

In this world with our animal friends we share
Who deserve so much better, have a right to be there
In this world with our animal friends we share Who deserve so much better, have a right to be there Juleyanne

8:56am Tue 9 Oct 12

F in L says...

Juleyanne wrote:
In this world with our animal friends we share
Who deserve so much better, have a right to be there
God gave Seagulls wings so they
Could beat pikeys to the tip one day
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: In this world with our animal friends we share Who deserve so much better, have a right to be there[/p][/quote]God gave Seagulls wings so they Could beat pikeys to the tip one day F in L

4:47pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Gullexpert says...

Juleyanne wrote:
The Argus have forgotten to point out in this article that Herring Gulls are on the 'red endangered list' and are therefore 'protected', a somewhat important point!
And also do not neglect to mention that this status is based on a report that is now 12-14 years old (Seabird 2000). The RSPB has reported a "remarkable turnaround in the Severn Estuary and in London where they observed a doubling to 20,000 pairs since 2005 (http://jncc.defra.g
ov.uk/page-2887 ; http://www.standard.
co.uk/news/londoners
-warned-to-steer-cle
ar-of-angry-seagulls
-as-numbers-double-6
503927.html ). While it is rare to take human health and safety into consideration where an animal is concerned, recent research by the SW Regional Health Observatory has flagged the gull as presenting a very real threat (http://www.swpho.nh
s.uk/resource/item.a
spx?RID=24280). In Scotland, the government have decided to act to protect the populace after seeing a massive rise in gull numbers over the last decade (http://local.stv.tv
/elgin/news/187320-s
leep-deprivation-and
-stress-are-cited-as
-reason-to-remove-se
agull-nests/). There is also the question of disease where researchers have found gull dropping to be resistant to "last resort" antibiotics (http://www.dailymai
l.co.uk/sciencetech/
article-1313848/Seag
ulls-carrying-superb
ugs-resistant-antibi
otics.html) .While some might see any action to restrict the gulls as "obsessive" or "deranged," we should deal with the matter rationally and recognise that a lot of experts have been researching the problems associated with the recent population explosion including threats to other birds and bio-diversity in general. Our own seabird group has documented excessive predation against puffins offshore (http://www.seabirdg
roup.org.uk/files/co
nference_2004_abstra
cts.pdf) and few would argue that we should allow our puffins to be destroyed just to keep the seagulls happy and fed! We should support our local council's attempts to deal with the problem and not complain if Brighton decide to follow other councils in introducing criminal sanctions for anyone found feeding gulls which only encourages them to leave their natural habitats and become reliant on humans (http://local.stv.tv
/elgin/news/opinion/
31685-strong-public-
support-for-councils
-asbo-stand-on-feedi
ng-seagulls/).
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: The Argus have forgotten to point out in this article that Herring Gulls are on the 'red endangered list' and are therefore 'protected', a somewhat important point![/p][/quote]And also do not neglect to mention that this status is based on a report that is now 12-14 years old (Seabird 2000). The RSPB has reported a "remarkable turnaround in the Severn Estuary and in London where they observed a doubling to 20,000 pairs since 2005 (http://jncc.defra.g ov.uk/page-2887 ; http://www.standard. co.uk/news/londoners -warned-to-steer-cle ar-of-angry-seagulls -as-numbers-double-6 503927.html ). While it is rare to take human health and safety into consideration where an animal is concerned, recent research by the SW Regional Health Observatory has flagged the gull as presenting a very real threat (http://www.swpho.nh s.uk/resource/item.a spx?RID=24280). In Scotland, the government have decided to act to protect the populace after seeing a massive rise in gull numbers over the last decade (http://local.stv.tv /elgin/news/187320-s leep-deprivation-and -stress-are-cited-as -reason-to-remove-se agull-nests/). There is also the question of disease where researchers have found gull dropping to be resistant to "last resort" antibiotics (http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/sciencetech/ article-1313848/Seag ulls-carrying-superb ugs-resistant-antibi otics.html) .While some might see any action to restrict the gulls as "obsessive" or "deranged," we should deal with the matter rationally and recognise that a lot of experts have been researching the problems associated with the recent population explosion including threats to other birds and bio-diversity in general. Our own seabird group has documented excessive predation against puffins offshore (http://www.seabirdg roup.org.uk/files/co nference_2004_abstra cts.pdf) and few would argue that we should allow our puffins to be destroyed just to keep the seagulls happy and fed! We should support our local council's attempts to deal with the problem and not complain if Brighton decide to follow other councils in introducing criminal sanctions for anyone found feeding gulls which only encourages them to leave their natural habitats and become reliant on humans (http://local.stv.tv /elgin/news/opinion/ 31685-strong-public- support-for-councils -asbo-stand-on-feedi ng-seagulls/). Gullexpert

5:14pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Gullexpert says...

As a bird enthusiast and keen amanteur wildlife photographer I am very keen to see all of our wildlife protected. However, I have been alerted to the threat that is now posed to many species due to trhe recent surge in herring (and similar) gulls nationwide and around the world. There are many articles that are warning that some species are being forced onto the endangered list due to predation by the stronger and more numerous large gulls. Little research has been conducted in the UK but scinetists have been working dilegently in the EU and elswhere to highlight the threats to bio-diversity posed by the large gulls. The following may be of interest to those who are open to knowing more about this issue and to see why some argue for gulls to be culled or otherwise restricted. Threat to Puffins offshore Scotland: (http://www.seabirdg
roup.org.uk/files/co
nference_2004_abstra
cts.pdf ); threat to smaller seabirds in the Baltic region (http://www.itamerip
ortaali.fi/en/tietoa
/yleiskuvaus/en_GB/7
80/); swallows placed in danger of extinction in Rome: (http://www.italiami
a.com/education_seag
ulls.php). Wide variety of seabirds and others threatened by gulls in the Meditteranean region: (http://www.springer
link.com/content/n22
6q58637118846/?MUD=M
P). Finland: (http://www.rktl.fi/
en/julkaisut/j/473.h
tml). Save the Whales from seagulls in Argentina: (http://www.grindtv.
com/outdoor/blog/341
06/whales+off+argent
ina+face+unlikely+en
emy+in+voracious+sea
gulls/). Birdlife is the largest International Organisation of bird experts in the world and they consider the herring gull to be a species of "least concern" and not in any way endangered (http://www.birdlife
.org/datazone/specie
sfactsheet.php?id=32
27). It may come as a surprise to many how big of a threat the gull has become and before anyone replies with vitriol, please do your research, be open to the possibility that the experts who are researchning and writing on the subject may be right and that we may have a serious problme due to too many gulls. Think of the other birds--they deserve protection too!
As a bird enthusiast and keen amanteur wildlife photographer I am very keen to see all of our wildlife protected. However, I have been alerted to the threat that is now posed to many species due to trhe recent surge in herring (and similar) gulls nationwide and around the world. There are many articles that are warning that some species are being forced onto the endangered list due to predation by the stronger and more numerous large gulls. Little research has been conducted in the UK but scinetists have been working dilegently in the EU and elswhere to highlight the threats to bio-diversity posed by the large gulls. The following may be of interest to those who are open to knowing more about this issue and to see why some argue for gulls to be culled or otherwise restricted. Threat to Puffins offshore Scotland: (http://www.seabirdg roup.org.uk/files/co nference_2004_abstra cts.pdf ); threat to smaller seabirds in the Baltic region (http://www.itamerip ortaali.fi/en/tietoa /yleiskuvaus/en_GB/7 80/); swallows placed in danger of extinction in Rome: (http://www.italiami a.com/education_seag ulls.php). Wide variety of seabirds and others threatened by gulls in the Meditteranean region: (http://www.springer link.com/content/n22 6q58637118846/?MUD=M P). Finland: (http://www.rktl.fi/ en/julkaisut/j/473.h tml). Save the Whales from seagulls in Argentina: (http://www.grindtv. com/outdoor/blog/341 06/whales+off+argent ina+face+unlikely+en emy+in+voracious+sea gulls/). Birdlife is the largest International Organisation of bird experts in the world and they consider the herring gull to be a species of "least concern" and not in any way endangered (http://www.birdlife .org/datazone/specie sfactsheet.php?id=32 27). It may come as a surprise to many how big of a threat the gull has become and before anyone replies with vitriol, please do your research, be open to the possibility that the experts who are researchning and writing on the subject may be right and that we may have a serious problme due to too many gulls. Think of the other birds--they deserve protection too! Gullexpert

9:26am Wed 10 Oct 12

Juleyanne says...

Gullexpert is Gullignorant. He has been spouting his obvious dislike of our endangered Herring Gulls and have yet to receive an answer to my question as to whether he is actually a pest controller!
Even if he claims he is not, the arrogance he displays in calling himself a so called gullexpert is suspect in itself! He tries to convince everybody gulls are a major threat to other bird species and is obsessed with trying to persuade us with outrageous claims that they are somehow killing us. Do you know anyone who has died because of a seagull!! He is clearly 'species selective' and refuses to accept RSPB findings and research backed by DEFRA that rightly has placed this gull in the red endangered category as it's numbers have declined nationally by 50%. Why does he keep giving himself titles to try and push his flawed argument umm!
Gullexpert is Gullignorant. He has been spouting his obvious dislike of our endangered Herring Gulls and have yet to receive an answer to my question as to whether he is actually a pest controller! Even if he claims he is not, the arrogance he displays in calling himself a so called gullexpert is suspect in itself! He tries to convince everybody gulls are a major threat to other bird species and is obsessed with trying to persuade us with outrageous claims that they are somehow killing us. Do you know anyone who has died because of a seagull!! He is clearly 'species selective' and refuses to accept RSPB findings and research backed by DEFRA that rightly has placed this gull in the red endangered category as it's numbers have declined nationally by 50%. Why does he keep giving himself titles to try and push his flawed argument umm! Juleyanne

12:01pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Gullexpert says...

Juleyanne wrote:
Gullexpert is Gullignorant. He has been spouting his obvious dislike of our endangered Herring Gulls and have yet to receive an answer to my question as to whether he is actually a pest controller!
Even if he claims he is not, the arrogance he displays in calling himself a so called gullexpert is suspect in itself! He tries to convince everybody gulls are a major threat to other bird species and is obsessed with trying to persuade us with outrageous claims that they are somehow killing us. Do you know anyone who has died because of a seagull!! He is clearly 'species selective' and refuses to accept RSPB findings and research backed by DEFRA that rightly has placed this gull in the red endangered category as it's numbers have declined nationally by 50%. Why does he keep giving himself titles to try and push his flawed argument umm!
The answer to your question is no. I have no interest in, or connection with anything to do with "Pest Control" businesses. When the government finally realises we have a problem with too many herring (and similar) gulls it will be local government that will have to deal with it. My interest is solely to alert the public as to the danger the population explosion in Herring (and similar) Gull presents to our bio-diversity. In this country, we have a right to express opinions and ideas to persuade and educate. You ask if anyone has died as a result of seagulls, here is an example: http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/2097681.st
m . But what about all the birds that have died because of the growth in numbers of the Herring Gull? Surely our birdlife has a right to life to? This is why other nations cull them--to protect other birds and to maintain a balance in nature. DEFRA and the RSPB redlisted the Herring Gull based on Seabird 2000 which is a report based on a count undertaken in 1998-2000. It is out of date as every report covering massive increases in gull numbers from around the nation testifies to. I have already quoted the RSPB who have admitted to a remarkable turnaround in numbers in the Severn Estuary, a doubling to 20,000 pairs in London:

http://jncc.defra.go
v.uk/page-2887
"Roof-nesters increased from 772 pairs in 1993-951 to 1,826 pairs in Seabird 2000. In 2011, a survey of Cardiff urban gulls alone recorded 640 AON. This represents a remarkable turn around in fortunes as supposedly no roof-nesting herring gulls were recorded in Cardiff in Seabird 2000."

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-wales-17509
279
"...but numbers spotted have risen over the last five years by more than 46%...”


http://www.standard.
co.uk/news/londoners
-warned-to-steer-cle
ar-of-angry-seagulls
-as-numbers-double-6
503927.html
"After a spate of attacks across Britain, the RSPB today said the birds had become a new urban menace. The RSPB says that numbers of herring gulls have doubled in the capital since the Eighties, with about 20,000 pairs now nesting here."

You need to do some of your own research. I have given you 3 quotes from bird experts that know what they are talking about. The problem is DEFRA's refusal to carry out an up to date survey, presumably on the grounds of lack of funding. But what they should not do is mislead the public by quoting a report that is so ancient. I have researched hundreds of articles from around the world, with a special emphasis on the threat to bio-diversity that the Herring Gull and sympatric gulls present. Most other nations are much further ahead of us in their knowledge of the damage these birds are causing to wildlife and the environment. You might be interested to know that the HG is considered to be a threat to our National Heritage given the damage they are doing to Grade 1 listed buildings (http://www.thisisbr
istol.co.uk/Seagulls
-biggest-threat-Bris
tol-s-heritage/story
-16901186-detail/sto
ry.html 15th September 2012: Gull droppings are being cited as a major threat to the preservation of many Georgian properties in the city centre…The acidic droppings eat away at the soft Bath stone which was favoured by Georgian architects.).

The harm these birds are doing is widespread. You seem to be on a one-track campaign to favour one bird regardless of the harm it is doing to other species and the enviroment. Why is that?
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: Gullexpert is Gullignorant. He has been spouting his obvious dislike of our endangered Herring Gulls and have yet to receive an answer to my question as to whether he is actually a pest controller! Even if he claims he is not, the arrogance he displays in calling himself a so called gullexpert is suspect in itself! He tries to convince everybody gulls are a major threat to other bird species and is obsessed with trying to persuade us with outrageous claims that they are somehow killing us. Do you know anyone who has died because of a seagull!! He is clearly 'species selective' and refuses to accept RSPB findings and research backed by DEFRA that rightly has placed this gull in the red endangered category as it's numbers have declined nationally by 50%. Why does he keep giving himself titles to try and push his flawed argument umm![/p][/quote]The answer to your question is no. I have no interest in, or connection with anything to do with "Pest Control" businesses. When the government finally realises we have a problem with too many herring (and similar) gulls it will be local government that will have to deal with it. My interest is solely to alert the public as to the danger the population explosion in Herring (and similar) Gull presents to our bio-diversity. In this country, we have a right to express opinions and ideas to persuade and educate. You ask if anyone has died as a result of seagulls, here is an example: http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/2097681.st m . But what about all the birds that have died because of the growth in numbers of the Herring Gull? Surely our birdlife has a right to life to? This is why other nations cull them--to protect other birds and to maintain a balance in nature. DEFRA and the RSPB redlisted the Herring Gull based on Seabird 2000 which is a report based on a count undertaken in 1998-2000. It is out of date as every report covering massive increases in gull numbers from around the nation testifies to. I have already quoted the RSPB who have admitted to a remarkable turnaround in numbers in the Severn Estuary, a doubling to 20,000 pairs in London: http://jncc.defra.go v.uk/page-2887 "Roof-nesters increased from 772 pairs in 1993-951 to 1,826 pairs in Seabird 2000. In 2011, a survey of Cardiff urban gulls alone recorded 640 AON. This represents a remarkable turn around in fortunes as supposedly no roof-nesting herring gulls were recorded in Cardiff in Seabird 2000." http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-wales-17509 279 "...but numbers spotted have risen over the last five years by more than 46%...” http://www.standard. co.uk/news/londoners -warned-to-steer-cle ar-of-angry-seagulls -as-numbers-double-6 503927.html "After a spate of attacks across Britain, the RSPB today said the birds had become a new urban menace. The RSPB says that numbers of herring gulls have doubled in the capital since the Eighties, with about 20,000 pairs now nesting here." You need to do some of your own research. I have given you 3 quotes from bird experts that know what they are talking about. The problem is DEFRA's refusal to carry out an up to date survey, presumably on the grounds of lack of funding. But what they should not do is mislead the public by quoting a report that is so ancient. I have researched hundreds of articles from around the world, with a special emphasis on the threat to bio-diversity that the Herring Gull and sympatric gulls present. Most other nations are much further ahead of us in their knowledge of the damage these birds are causing to wildlife and the environment. You might be interested to know that the HG is considered to be a threat to our National Heritage given the damage they are doing to Grade 1 listed buildings (http://www.thisisbr istol.co.uk/Seagulls -biggest-threat-Bris tol-s-heritage/story -16901186-detail/sto ry.html 15th September 2012: Gull droppings are being cited as a major threat to the preservation of many Georgian properties in the city centre…The acidic droppings eat away at the soft Bath stone which was favoured by Georgian architects.). The harm these birds are doing is widespread. You seem to be on a one-track campaign to favour one bird regardless of the harm it is doing to other species and the enviroment. Why is that? Gullexpert

11:11pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Juleyanne says...

Why is that? Your stark ignorance is unbelievable! For a start why do you keep banging on about other countries? As you are clearly confused, I will remind you that you live in the UK or La La land whatever title suits you best today! Why do you keep digging up unrelated statistics from other countries! I think you are getting confused between Herring Gulls and Blackback Gulls who have been known to take other birds. Either way your ridiculous targeting of our endangered Herring Gull is based on your fairytale findings not the realistic and solid findings of the Royal Society of the Protection of Birds (RSPB) a well respected organisation and you also refute the scientific research of government linked DEFRA that also say this gull is in serious trouble. I have to rise up to a person who makes wild and unproved claims about the Herring Gull which you claim is 'vermin'. It is not FACT! it has been elevated recently into full protection status because it's numbers nationally have steeply declined to dangerous levels. I gather you live in the Brighton area where for your information we have the largest colonies of Herring Gulls. Nationally however, the numbers are declining at a 'worrying rate' hence the protection status being placed on this magnificent seabird. As with all fanatics who get a 'bee in their bonnet' or 'seagull poop on their bonnet' for that matter which has 'lit their blue touch paper 'and sparked some ferocious attempt to force opinion against our iconic seabird. You the so called expert are transparently trying to bring forth a cull which I find utterly despicable and totally unconsistent with 'far superior research' from well respected and well established organisations which has stated otherwise. Most of us love our Herring Gulls and negative unrelated static desperados are not going to budge in our quest to respect their right to live alongside us on the south east coast.
Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts into puffin and tern research and fly off to Sark island where you can bore the locals to exasperation with your negative twitterings!
Why is that? Your stark ignorance is unbelievable! For a start why do you keep banging on about other countries? As you are clearly confused, I will remind you that you live in the UK or La La land whatever title suits you best today! Why do you keep digging up unrelated statistics from other countries! I think you are getting confused between Herring Gulls and Blackback Gulls who have been known to take other birds. Either way your ridiculous targeting of our endangered Herring Gull is based on your fairytale findings not the realistic and solid findings of the Royal Society of the Protection of Birds (RSPB) a well respected organisation and you also refute the scientific research of government linked DEFRA that also say this gull is in serious trouble. I have to rise up to a person who makes wild and unproved claims about the Herring Gull which you claim is 'vermin'. It is not FACT! it has been elevated recently into full protection status because it's numbers nationally have steeply declined to dangerous levels. I gather you live in the Brighton area where for your information we have the largest colonies of Herring Gulls. Nationally however, the numbers are declining at a 'worrying rate' hence the protection status being placed on this magnificent seabird. As with all fanatics who get a 'bee in their bonnet' or 'seagull poop on their bonnet' for that matter which has 'lit their blue touch paper 'and sparked some ferocious attempt to force opinion against our iconic seabird. You the so called expert are transparently trying to bring forth a cull which I find utterly despicable and totally unconsistent with 'far superior research' from well respected and well established organisations which has stated otherwise. Most of us love our Herring Gulls and negative unrelated static desperados are not going to budge in our quest to respect their right to live alongside us on the south east coast. Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts into puffin and tern research and fly off to Sark island where you can bore the locals to exasperation with your negative twitterings! Juleyanne

9:48am Thu 11 Oct 12

Gullexpert says...

Juleyanne wrote:
Why is that? Your stark ignorance is unbelievable! For a start why do you keep banging on about other countries? As you are clearly confused, I will remind you that you live in the UK or La La land whatever title suits you best today! Why do you keep digging up unrelated statistics from other countries! I think you are getting confused between Herring Gulls and Blackback Gulls who have been known to take other birds. Either way your ridiculous targeting of our endangered Herring Gull is based on your fairytale findings not the realistic and solid findings of the Royal Society of the Protection of Birds (RSPB) a well respected organisation and you also refute the scientific research of government linked DEFRA that also say this gull is in serious trouble. I have to rise up to a person who makes wild and unproved claims about the Herring Gull which you claim is 'vermin'. It is not FACT! it has been elevated recently into full protection status because it's numbers nationally have steeply declined to dangerous levels. I gather you live in the Brighton area where for your information we have the largest colonies of Herring Gulls. Nationally however, the numbers are declining at a 'worrying rate' hence the protection status being placed on this magnificent seabird. As with all fanatics who get a 'bee in their bonnet' or 'seagull poop on their bonnet' for that matter which has 'lit their blue touch paper 'and sparked some ferocious attempt to force opinion against our iconic seabird. You the so called expert are transparently trying to bring forth a cull which I find utterly despicable and totally unconsistent with 'far superior research' from well respected and well established organisations which has stated otherwise. Most of us love our Herring Gulls and negative unrelated static desperados are not going to budge in our quest to respect their right to live alongside us on the south east coast.
Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts into puffin and tern research and fly off to Sark island where you can bore the locals to exasperation with your negative twitterings!
The last survey of herring gulls was carried out in the UK in 1998-2000 and the resuts were published in a report known as "Seabird 2000" (http://jncc.defra.g
ov.uk/PDF/S2000_14_h
eg_tabs_and_figs_web
.pdf ) . In that report you will see that it refers to the herring gull (HG) and excludes any sympatric species. For example, a close relative to the HG is the yellow-legged gull and the 2 are sometimes included together in counts as they are very closely related and some hybridisation has been observed by highly qualified ornithologitsts (http://www.marineor
nithology.org/PDF/25
/25_14.pdf ). Seabird 2000 compares numbers of HGs in the UK over 3 periods, Seafarer 1969-70, SCR 1985-88 and Seabird 2000 1998-2002. Looking at the numbers for coastal England you will see that, at the time of Seabird 2000, there was a 27% decline since Seafarer (1969-70). However, this trend is sharply reversed with an increase of 38% since SCR (1985-88). For Wales the percentages go from a decline of 71% to an increase of 26%. Scotland and Ireland showed declines over the same periods. What this shows for England is that the numbers had begun to turn around by the time Seabird was carried out. We are 14 years on from 1998 and over this period numbers have dramatically increased as the articles I have posted previously attest to. For roof-nesting HG (these are the ones that draw the most complaints) the numbers are even more dramatic. For Scotland the increase since 1976 is 10524%. For England the increase is 526% since 1976 and an increase of 88% since 1993-95. Thus, we know from government figures that a trend began a few years ago that has continued over the course of the 3 surveys until today. For example "Roof-nesters increased from 772 pairs in 1993-951 to 1,826 pairs in Seabird 2000. In 2011, a survey of Cardiff urban gulls alone recorded 640 AON. This represents a remarkable turn around in fortunes as supposedly no roof-nesting herring gulls were recorded in Cardiff during Seabird 2000." This is quoted from the RSPB (http://jncc.defra.g
ov.uk/page-2887). I urge you and anyone interested in this topic to do your research and be open to what experts like the RSPB are saying. Seabird 2000 is now up to 14 years old and much has happened since then. The RSPB are suggesting ways we can deal with the growing numbers of HG: "We believe the best approach to understanding urban gull populations starts with comprehensive research to establish these basics, followed by development of effective deterrent methods for use in situations where gulls are causing problems (http://www.rspb.org
.uk/advice/gardening
/unwantedvisitors/gu
lls/urbangulls.aspx)
. The experts do see that there is a problem and instead of attacking anyone who has done the research with personal insults it would be far better to work with the RSPB and others who have extensive knowledge to fiind solutions. If nothing is done the quality of life for humans will deteriorate, other species will be placed on endangered species lists and our entire bio-diveristy will be upset. Sadly, it is sometimes necessary to take deterrent action as the RSPB says.
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: Why is that? Your stark ignorance is unbelievable! For a start why do you keep banging on about other countries? As you are clearly confused, I will remind you that you live in the UK or La La land whatever title suits you best today! Why do you keep digging up unrelated statistics from other countries! I think you are getting confused between Herring Gulls and Blackback Gulls who have been known to take other birds. Either way your ridiculous targeting of our endangered Herring Gull is based on your fairytale findings not the realistic and solid findings of the Royal Society of the Protection of Birds (RSPB) a well respected organisation and you also refute the scientific research of government linked DEFRA that also say this gull is in serious trouble. I have to rise up to a person who makes wild and unproved claims about the Herring Gull which you claim is 'vermin'. It is not FACT! it has been elevated recently into full protection status because it's numbers nationally have steeply declined to dangerous levels. I gather you live in the Brighton area where for your information we have the largest colonies of Herring Gulls. Nationally however, the numbers are declining at a 'worrying rate' hence the protection status being placed on this magnificent seabird. As with all fanatics who get a 'bee in their bonnet' or 'seagull poop on their bonnet' for that matter which has 'lit their blue touch paper 'and sparked some ferocious attempt to force opinion against our iconic seabird. You the so called expert are transparently trying to bring forth a cull which I find utterly despicable and totally unconsistent with 'far superior research' from well respected and well established organisations which has stated otherwise. Most of us love our Herring Gulls and negative unrelated static desperados are not going to budge in our quest to respect their right to live alongside us on the south east coast. Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts into puffin and tern research and fly off to Sark island where you can bore the locals to exasperation with your negative twitterings![/p][/quote]The last survey of herring gulls was carried out in the UK in 1998-2000 and the resuts were published in a report known as "Seabird 2000" (http://jncc.defra.g ov.uk/PDF/S2000_14_h eg_tabs_and_figs_web .pdf ) . In that report you will see that it refers to the herring gull (HG) and excludes any sympatric species. For example, a close relative to the HG is the yellow-legged gull and the 2 are sometimes included together in counts as they are very closely related and some hybridisation has been observed by highly qualified ornithologitsts (http://www.marineor nithology.org/PDF/25 /25_14.pdf ). Seabird 2000 compares numbers of HGs in the UK over 3 periods, Seafarer 1969-70, SCR 1985-88 and Seabird 2000 1998-2002. Looking at the numbers for coastal England you will see that, at the time of Seabird 2000, there was a 27% decline since Seafarer (1969-70). However, this trend is sharply reversed with an increase of 38% since SCR (1985-88). For Wales the percentages go from a decline of 71% to an increase of 26%. Scotland and Ireland showed declines over the same periods. What this shows for England is that the numbers had begun to turn around by the time Seabird was carried out. We are 14 years on from 1998 and over this period numbers have dramatically increased as the articles I have posted previously attest to. For roof-nesting HG (these are the ones that draw the most complaints) the numbers are even more dramatic. For Scotland the increase since 1976 is 10524%. For England the increase is 526% since 1976 and an increase of 88% since 1993-95. Thus, we know from government figures that a trend began a few years ago that has continued over the course of the 3 surveys until today. For example "Roof-nesters increased from 772 pairs in 1993-951 to 1,826 pairs in Seabird 2000. In 2011, a survey of Cardiff urban gulls alone recorded 640 AON. This represents a remarkable turn around in fortunes as supposedly no roof-nesting herring gulls were recorded in Cardiff during Seabird 2000." This is quoted from the RSPB (http://jncc.defra.g ov.uk/page-2887). I urge you and anyone interested in this topic to do your research and be open to what experts like the RSPB are saying. Seabird 2000 is now up to 14 years old and much has happened since then. The RSPB are suggesting ways we can deal with the growing numbers of HG: "We believe the best approach to understanding urban gull populations starts with comprehensive research to establish these basics, followed by development of effective deterrent methods for use in situations where gulls are causing problems (http://www.rspb.org .uk/advice/gardening /unwantedvisitors/gu lls/urbangulls.aspx) . The experts do see that there is a problem and instead of attacking anyone who has done the research with personal insults it would be far better to work with the RSPB and others who have extensive knowledge to fiind solutions. If nothing is done the quality of life for humans will deteriorate, other species will be placed on endangered species lists and our entire bio-diveristy will be upset. Sadly, it is sometimes necessary to take deterrent action as the RSPB says. Gullexpert

9:58am Thu 11 Oct 12

Gullexpert says...

Juleyanne wrote:
Why is that? Your stark ignorance is unbelievable! For a start why do you keep banging on about other countries? As you are clearly confused, I will remind you that you live in the UK or La La land whatever title suits you best today! Why do you keep digging up unrelated statistics from other countries! I think you are getting confused between Herring Gulls and Blackback Gulls who have been known to take other birds. Either way your ridiculous targeting of our endangered Herring Gull is based on your fairytale findings not the realistic and solid findings of the Royal Society of the Protection of Birds (RSPB) a well respected organisation and you also refute the scientific research of government linked DEFRA that also say this gull is in serious trouble. I have to rise up to a person who makes wild and unproved claims about the Herring Gull which you claim is 'vermin'. It is not FACT! it has been elevated recently into full protection status because it's numbers nationally have steeply declined to dangerous levels. I gather you live in the Brighton area where for your information we have the largest colonies of Herring Gulls. Nationally however, the numbers are declining at a 'worrying rate' hence the protection status being placed on this magnificent seabird. As with all fanatics who get a 'bee in their bonnet' or 'seagull poop on their bonnet' for that matter which has 'lit their blue touch paper 'and sparked some ferocious attempt to force opinion against our iconic seabird. You the so called expert are transparently trying to bring forth a cull which I find utterly despicable and totally unconsistent with 'far superior research' from well respected and well established organisations which has stated otherwise. Most of us love our Herring Gulls and negative unrelated static desperados are not going to budge in our quest to respect their right to live alongside us on the south east coast.
Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts into puffin and tern research and fly off to Sark island where you can bore the locals to exasperation with your negative twitterings!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/9894335.D
o_seagulls_need_prot
ecting_/?action=succ
ess
"The RSPB believes the numbers are in dramatic decline, yet look around any of Sussex’s towns and you might be surprised by the number of gulls.

The latest report from the Sussex Ornithological Society says there are just 13 coastal breeding locations for herring gulls, yet there are no numbers for how many pairs nest at each site..."


I do live in the Brighton area and draw your attention to the above article in the Argus a short while ago. The question posed is whether we really do have a declining gull population as observation suggests otherwise. There is little knowledge on the numbers and all the RSPB can do is quote their most recent survey, Seabird 2000, which is discussed in the post above. We need to pressure DEFRA and the RSPB to carry out a survey so that we know the full extent of what is now a serious problem.
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: Why is that? Your stark ignorance is unbelievable! For a start why do you keep banging on about other countries? As you are clearly confused, I will remind you that you live in the UK or La La land whatever title suits you best today! Why do you keep digging up unrelated statistics from other countries! I think you are getting confused between Herring Gulls and Blackback Gulls who have been known to take other birds. Either way your ridiculous targeting of our endangered Herring Gull is based on your fairytale findings not the realistic and solid findings of the Royal Society of the Protection of Birds (RSPB) a well respected organisation and you also refute the scientific research of government linked DEFRA that also say this gull is in serious trouble. I have to rise up to a person who makes wild and unproved claims about the Herring Gull which you claim is 'vermin'. It is not FACT! it has been elevated recently into full protection status because it's numbers nationally have steeply declined to dangerous levels. I gather you live in the Brighton area where for your information we have the largest colonies of Herring Gulls. Nationally however, the numbers are declining at a 'worrying rate' hence the protection status being placed on this magnificent seabird. As with all fanatics who get a 'bee in their bonnet' or 'seagull poop on their bonnet' for that matter which has 'lit their blue touch paper 'and sparked some ferocious attempt to force opinion against our iconic seabird. You the so called expert are transparently trying to bring forth a cull which I find utterly despicable and totally unconsistent with 'far superior research' from well respected and well established organisations which has stated otherwise. Most of us love our Herring Gulls and negative unrelated static desperados are not going to budge in our quest to respect their right to live alongside us on the south east coast. Perhaps you should concentrate your efforts into puffin and tern research and fly off to Sark island where you can bore the locals to exasperation with your negative twitterings![/p][/quote]http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/9894335.D o_seagulls_need_prot ecting_/?action=succ ess "The RSPB believes the numbers are in dramatic decline, yet look around any of Sussex’s towns and you might be surprised by the number of gulls. The latest report from the Sussex Ornithological Society says there are just 13 coastal breeding locations for herring gulls, yet there are no numbers for how many pairs nest at each site..." I do live in the Brighton area and draw your attention to the above article in the Argus a short while ago. The question posed is whether we really do have a declining gull population as observation suggests otherwise. There is little knowledge on the numbers and all the RSPB can do is quote their most recent survey, Seabird 2000, which is discussed in the post above. We need to pressure DEFRA and the RSPB to carry out a survey so that we know the full extent of what is now a serious problem. Gullexpert

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