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More residents parking planned for Brighton

Residents in another Brighton neighbourhood are faced with having to pay to park outside their homes.

Proposals to introduce a residents’ parking scheme in London Road Station North and Round Hill have been put forward by Brighton and Hove City Council.

A five-week consultation between residents of the areas and the council will run until November 9, during which residents will receive information packs and questionnaires about current parking options.

The consultation is in response to concerns raised by some residents about parking in the area.

Steve Rimington, who lives in Round Hill, said: “We as an area support the proposals very much. It’s good to have a parking space within 100 yards of getting home.

"It was mentioned in documentation that was sent to us from a local group that if we don’t do something about it, the spread of people parking in the area is going to get worse, which means we’ll eventually be pushed out.”

Those who do not agree with the scheme have warned residents to think before they agree to proposals.

Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people.

“They do one area and then another area and it becomes self-perpetuating then. It creates a cycle; everywhere is a concrete jungle of parking. This area is just one more.”

Mr Percy said residents should be aware that having a parking permit doesn’t necessarily guarantee a parking space.

He added: “It depends how many places will be available. They need to really consider it. At the end of the day, there’s nothing worse than having a parking permit, you come home and there’s no parking space.”

Ian Davey, chairman of the transport committee for Brighton and Hove City Council, said the consultation for controlled parking zones in the two areas was a response to requests from local residents, many of whom have been campaigning for years to be included in the scheme.

He added: “Experience in other areas, particularly south of London Road Station, show how popular these schemes are with local residents and how they can transform the area for the better.

“The only areas that have waiting list for permits are zone Y and Z in the city centre. Further away from the city centre the demand for permits decreases. In the area south of London Road, the availability of permits and spaces is more than sufficient to meet local demand.”

An exhibition of the proposals will be held at Stanford Avenue Methodist Church on October 25 between 1.30pm and 5.30pm and on October 26 between 3.30pm and 7.30pm. Residents will be able to scrutinise preliminary designs and put their questions to council officers.

An unstaffed exhibition will be held on the ground floor of Hove Town Hall from October 1 to October 31, between 9am and 5pm.

Click on the links below for more details of the consultation, and to take part in an online survey on the plan

London Road Station North

Round Hill

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12:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12

s&k says...

Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people."

Were they? My understanding is that residents' request them because of the parking problems they experience.
Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people." Were they? My understanding is that residents' request them because of the parking problems they experience. s&k
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12:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RickH says...

"Mr Percy said residents should be aware that having a parking permit doesn’t necessarily guarantee a parking space." - absolutely right but my experience has been that when the parking permit system was introduced in my street, I no longer had any problems parking as non-residents were forced to park elsewhere. Funny how he assumed to speak for people when its somewhat obvious that residents want the scheme ie a number have asked for it to be introduced.
"Mr Percy said residents should be aware that having a parking permit doesn’t necessarily guarantee a parking space." - absolutely right but my experience has been that when the parking permit system was introduced in my street, I no longer had any problems parking as non-residents were forced to park elsewhere. Funny how he assumed to speak for people when its somewhat obvious that residents want the scheme ie a number have asked for it to be introduced. RickH
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12:31pm Tue 9 Oct 12

The late Joe Strummer says...

s&k wrote:
Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people."

Were they? My understanding is that residents' request them because of the parking problems they experience.
My thoughts exactly.

As a Roundhill resident I'm very much in favour of the proposals, as are the majority of people I've spoken to in the area.

It's likely that Roundhill will be surrounded by controlled parking zones in the near future, and without a controlled zone of its own will just become a dumping ground for the surrounding areas.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people." Were they? My understanding is that residents' request them because of the parking problems they experience.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. As a Roundhill resident I'm very much in favour of the proposals, as are the majority of people I've spoken to in the area. It's likely that Roundhill will be surrounded by controlled parking zones in the near future, and without a controlled zone of its own will just become a dumping ground for the surrounding areas. The late Joe Strummer
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12:34pm Tue 9 Oct 12

wippasnapper says...

what with the £40 an hour for visitors and now even more parking permits for residents Is this the green party’s way of keeping motorists OUT OF B&H let alone all the one lane traffic jams in and out of Brighton duo to them making cyclist lives safer, If I had a company I’d be looking at moving it ells where because the GREEN Council is killing trade in B&H!
what with the £40 an hour for visitors and now even more parking permits for residents Is this the green party’s way of keeping motorists OUT OF B&H let alone all the one lane traffic jams in and out of Brighton duo to them making cyclist lives safer, If I had a company I’d be looking at moving it ells where because the GREEN Council is killing trade in B&H! wippasnapper
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12:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Fight_Back says...

Money, Money, Money. The council rollout yet another parking zone and the problem gets pushed just that little further. Then the good sheep residents do the councils work for them by requesting another parking zone.

If this was really about parking control then the council would ensure the charges were at a level to break even - as it is they make a massive profit. On wonder they're so keen to rollout more zones. There will be a point soon where the WHOLE city is covered by parking zones and the council will be leaping up and down. Their work will be complete !
Money, Money, Money. The council rollout yet another parking zone and the problem gets pushed just that little further. Then the good sheep residents do the councils work for them by requesting another parking zone. If this was really about parking control then the council would ensure the charges were at a level to break even - as it is they make a massive profit. On wonder they're so keen to rollout more zones. There will be a point soon where the WHOLE city is covered by parking zones and the council will be leaping up and down. Their work will be complete ! Fight_Back
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12:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Since parking fees around the town have increased, my street has become clogged with cars being dumped by weekend visitors and people who work in town in the day. Three of the car owners get bikes out of the backs of cars and then cycle into town.
We also have people who own vans and flat bed lorries dumping them for days on end because their cheap or free parking near town has disappeared.
Perhaps this council planned all along for all residnets to have permits by charging vast prices in marked bays in the city centre.
I will be asking the council for a permit scheme in my area as it's become a nightmare.
Since parking fees around the town have increased, my street has become clogged with cars being dumped by weekend visitors and people who work in town in the day. Three of the car owners get bikes out of the backs of cars and then cycle into town. We also have people who own vans and flat bed lorries dumping them for days on end because their cheap or free parking near town has disappeared. Perhaps this council planned all along for all residnets to have permits by charging vast prices in marked bays in the city centre. I will be asking the council for a permit scheme in my area as it's become a nightmare. Maxwell's Ghost
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12:55pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RoundhillResident says...

Parking in Roundhill is an utter nightmare. As a mother of two young children I find myself competing with spaces taken up by non residents. This is very frustrating when trying to park close to home to unload groceries/buggies/sm
all children from the car. I often find myself double parking to unload as I can’t leave my children unattended (in the car or house) while I walk back and forth between my house and the car, which can often be streets away. You only have to look out the window during the morning to see commuters parking along our street on their way to town or London Road station. The quality of our lives in Roundhill will be improved by a CPZ and I don't begrudge the council generating revenue from this rather than increasing council taxes across the whole city. Parking is a part of the cost of owning a car.
Parking in Roundhill is an utter nightmare. As a mother of two young children I find myself competing with spaces taken up by non residents. This is very frustrating when trying to park close to home to unload groceries/buggies/sm all children from the car. I often find myself double parking to unload as I can’t leave my children unattended (in the car or house) while I walk back and forth between my house and the car, which can often be streets away. You only have to look out the window during the morning to see commuters parking along our street on their way to town or London Road station. The quality of our lives in Roundhill will be improved by a CPZ and I don't begrudge the council generating revenue from this rather than increasing council taxes across the whole city. Parking is a part of the cost of owning a car. RoundhillResident
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1:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

The late Joe Strummer says...

wippasnapper wrote:
what with the £40 an hour for visitors and now even more parking permits for residents Is this the green party’s way of keeping motorists OUT OF B&H let alone all the one lane traffic jams in and out of Brighton duo to them making cyclist lives safer, If I had a company I’d be looking at moving it ells where because the GREEN Council is killing trade in B&H!
Errr...no, I don't believe that this resident-requested survey is part of a Council conspiracy to kill trade in Brighton & Hove.

As a motorist I am all in favour of it. It'll mean that I get a chance to park near my home, rather than the current situation where the majority of spaces are taken up by London Road station commuters, residents from neighbouring areas, and people that live/sleep in their vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: what with the £40 an hour for visitors and now even more parking permits for residents Is this the green party’s way of keeping motorists OUT OF B&H let alone all the one lane traffic jams in and out of Brighton duo to them making cyclist lives safer, If I had a company I’d be looking at moving it ells where because the GREEN Council is killing trade in B&H![/p][/quote]Errr...no, I don't believe that this resident-requested survey is part of a Council conspiracy to kill trade in Brighton & Hove. As a motorist I am all in favour of it. It'll mean that I get a chance to park near my home, rather than the current situation where the majority of spaces are taken up by London Road station commuters, residents from neighbouring areas, and people that live/sleep in their vehicles. The late Joe Strummer
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1:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Living in the area south of London Road station, I can say that contrary to Ian Davey's remarks, the controlled parking schemes are not universally popular. The effects of the scheme here have led to empty streets during the day, and now at night, the streets are nearly as busy as they were a few years before the introduction of the zone, and you can't guarantee parking in your own street.

One of the worst effects has been the displacement of parking to north of the railway line & Round Hill.

One of the factors is that while it may be reasonable to have parking time limits and residents permits in the zone, motorists have generally shown that they do not consider it reasonable to pay to park, especially for short periods, at the rates the council charge and they demonstrate this by leaving the streets empty and parking in the next nearest street where it is still free. Just extending the controlled zones only perpetuates the problem, moving it out further.

Considering that the council have lied, breaking their own promise that the extended parking zones would be revenue neutral by increasing their parking revenue surplus to over £9M perhaps we need to look at the short term parking being free in all the outer parking zones, to counter the displacement effect. A fair charge (£20/day is not a fair charge) for longer term parking in these zones where there is the room may be appropriate.

It must be recognised that if streets are left empty during the day, and there is too much displacement to neighbouring area, the scheme has failed, and this is exactly what you see in a number of areas of Brighton. Just trying to extend controlled (and paid for) parking to the entire city is not the answer.
Living in the area south of London Road station, I can say that contrary to Ian Davey's remarks, the controlled parking schemes are not universally popular. The effects of the scheme here have led to empty streets during the day, and now at night, the streets are nearly as busy as they were a few years before the introduction of the zone, and you can't guarantee parking in your own street. One of the worst effects has been the displacement of parking to north of the railway line & Round Hill. One of the factors is that while it may be reasonable to have parking time limits and residents permits in the zone, motorists have generally shown that they do not consider it reasonable to pay to park, especially for short periods, at the rates the council charge and they demonstrate this by leaving the streets empty and parking in the next nearest street where it is still free. Just extending the controlled zones only perpetuates the problem, moving it out further. Considering that the council have lied, breaking their own promise that the extended parking zones would be revenue neutral by increasing their parking revenue surplus to over £9M perhaps we need to look at the short term parking being free in all the outer parking zones, to counter the displacement effect. A fair charge (£20/day is not a fair charge) for longer term parking in these zones where there is the room may be appropriate. It must be recognised that if streets are left empty during the day, and there is too much displacement to neighbouring area, the scheme has failed, and this is exactly what you see in a number of areas of Brighton. Just trying to extend controlled (and paid for) parking to the entire city is not the answer. Bob_The_Ferret
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1:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Para2805 says...

...And the next area gets gobbled up in permits. We cannot stop this permit train now that it has started, simple. The council wants the revenue and no one wants to live on the edge of a permit zone. The council aren't going to stop until they have rinsed it's residence of all the money they can. Sad fact.
...And the next area gets gobbled up in permits. We cannot stop this permit train now that it has started, simple. The council wants the revenue and no one wants to live on the edge of a permit zone. The council aren't going to stop until they have rinsed it's residence of all the money they can. Sad fact. Para2805
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1:56pm Tue 9 Oct 12

bug eye says...

permit zones are ok if they are done properly with restricted parking only at certain times to stop all day parking etc. but still allow visitors and businesses to function. there is absolutely no justification for 9 - 8 restricted parking. in the city centre 9 - 6 is sufficient to allow the nightime economy to thrive and out of the city centre restrictions should only be for a maximum of 2 hours per day. the current restrictions are clearly revenue raising and will never be a vote winner. a sensible opposition party will offer the sensible alternative suggested.
permit zones are ok if they are done properly with restricted parking only at certain times to stop all day parking etc. but still allow visitors and businesses to function. there is absolutely no justification for 9 - 8 restricted parking. in the city centre 9 - 6 is sufficient to allow the nightime economy to thrive and out of the city centre restrictions should only be for a maximum of 2 hours per day. the current restrictions are clearly revenue raising and will never be a vote winner. a sensible opposition party will offer the sensible alternative suggested. bug eye
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2:10pm Tue 9 Oct 12

PaulOckenden says...

My business is just outside the zone, but the only sensible place we can park is within the zone - there's nothing else around. There's one particular street that always has free spaces during the day, so my staff and I park there. We're certainly not contributing to any existing problems.

Yet, because the business is local just outside the zone, it seems we won't be allowed to apply for permits. As a result we won't be able to park.

I don't know what we're supposed to do? Public Transport isn't an option (because of where people live).

Rather than fixed edges, these schemes should have fuzzy edges, so that people who live or work just beyond the extremity in streets that don't have parking (and so who might reasonably be expected to park in these streets) are able to buy permits.
My business is just outside the zone, but the only sensible place we can park is within the zone - there's nothing else around. There's one particular street that always has free spaces during the day, so my staff and I park there. We're certainly not contributing to any existing problems. Yet, because the business is local just outside the zone, it seems we won't be allowed to apply for permits. As a result we won't be able to park. I don't know what we're supposed to do? Public Transport isn't an option (because of where people live). Rather than fixed edges, these schemes should have fuzzy edges, so that people who live or work just beyond the extremity in streets that don't have parking (and so who might reasonably be expected to park in these streets) are able to buy permits. PaulOckenden
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2:16pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

wippasnapper wrote:
what with the £40 an hour for visitors and now even more parking permits for residents Is this the green party’s way of keeping motorists OUT OF B&H let alone all the one lane traffic jams in and out of Brighton duo to them making cyclist lives safer, If I had a company I’d be looking at moving it ells where because the GREEN Council is killing trade in B&H!
Actually I see it as the exact opposite. Setting up residents' parking is an acknowledgment that private cars play a vital, important and necessary role in any transport plan - and a tacit acknowledgment that a carless Britain isn't feasible. If they were opposed to cars and wanted to ban them they'd simply cover the area in yellow lines.

Doesn't help visitors mind, but then we already know that the council feel we get too many visitors and that they should be discouraged.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: what with the £40 an hour for visitors and now even more parking permits for residents Is this the green party’s way of keeping motorists OUT OF B&H let alone all the one lane traffic jams in and out of Brighton duo to them making cyclist lives safer, If I had a company I’d be looking at moving it ells where because the GREEN Council is killing trade in B&H![/p][/quote]Actually I see it as the exact opposite. Setting up residents' parking is an acknowledgment that private cars play a vital, important and necessary role in any transport plan - and a tacit acknowledgment that a carless Britain isn't feasible. If they were opposed to cars and wanted to ban them they'd simply cover the area in yellow lines. Doesn't help visitors mind, but then we already know that the council feel we get too many visitors and that they should be discouraged. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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2:31pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Just asking! says...

Ian Davey says that the new consultation is in response to requests from residents, but fails to mention that there has already been one consultation, and the residents north of the railway clearly rejected the proposal in a democratic vote. This appears to be a case of giving people a say, but if you don't like the answer keep asking until they give in and agree with you.

I live within the proposed zone, near fiveways, and parking is not an issue. I cannot often park right oputside my house, but usually very close. What I am being asked to do, although I have no issue with the current arrangements, is pay over £100 so that someone living near London Road Station can park near their home, and also so that someone just outside the zone, e.g. in Havelock, Waldergrave Roads etc, can no longer park near their homes because of displacement. And so, lo and behold, they need a controlled zone as well.

My local Green councillor tells me he can't have an opinion on the matter as he needs to represent all residents. Funny how he doesn't mind offering his opinions on a range of other issues!

This is a stealth tax, which the middle classes of Brighton are happy to impose on others just to make their life a bit more comfortable, whilst others are being hammered from all sides by tax rises and cuts.
Ian Davey says that the new consultation is in response to requests from residents, but fails to mention that there has already been one consultation, and the residents north of the railway clearly rejected the proposal in a democratic vote. This appears to be a case of giving people a say, but if you don't like the answer keep asking until they give in and agree with you. I live within the proposed zone, near fiveways, and parking is not an issue. I cannot often park right oputside my house, but usually very close. What I am being asked to do, although I have no issue with the current arrangements, is pay over £100 so that someone living near London Road Station can park near their home, and also so that someone just outside the zone, e.g. in Havelock, Waldergrave Roads etc, can no longer park near their homes because of displacement. And so, lo and behold, they need a controlled zone as well. My local Green councillor tells me he can't have an opinion on the matter as he needs to represent all residents. Funny how he doesn't mind offering his opinions on a range of other issues! This is a stealth tax, which the middle classes of Brighton are happy to impose on others just to make their life a bit more comfortable, whilst others are being hammered from all sides by tax rises and cuts. Just asking!
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2:43pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Any introduction of parking zones just displaces vehicles to other zones.
The only way to resolve this is to issue parking permits to residents via the council tax billing system. They don't even have to be charged for. If a family wants another permit, they then pay the £100 fee.
Anyone from outside the city should pay for parking in a paid-for parking bay.
As I said above, my street which has no restrictions is now clogged with vehicles, lorries, vans and flat bed trucks from other areas which are parked for days on end.
Also to note, as Joe Strummer above says, there seems to be an increasing number of people parking caravans and vans on the streets and using them as extra bedrooms or storage areas which the council don't seem to manage.
Any introduction of parking zones just displaces vehicles to other zones. The only way to resolve this is to issue parking permits to residents via the council tax billing system. They don't even have to be charged for. If a family wants another permit, they then pay the £100 fee. Anyone from outside the city should pay for parking in a paid-for parking bay. As I said above, my street which has no restrictions is now clogged with vehicles, lorries, vans and flat bed trucks from other areas which are parked for days on end. Also to note, as Joe Strummer above says, there seems to be an increasing number of people parking caravans and vans on the streets and using them as extra bedrooms or storage areas which the council don't seem to manage. Maxwell's Ghost
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2:55pm Tue 9 Oct 12

rolivan says...

Will all of these areas remain for permit holders only or will the council gradually introduce Pay and Display as well which will reduce the bays available to permit holders?
Will all of these areas remain for permit holders only or will the council gradually introduce Pay and Display as well which will reduce the bays available to permit holders? rolivan
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3:10pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Jay1000 says...

In parts of Worthing it is permit holder only parking between 10-11am and 2-3pm. This solves the problem of commuters leaving their cars in residential streets for the whole day.

Catches a few people out who can't get their head around the restriction and see it as 'public parking between 10/11 and 2/3. Cue ticket stuck to screen!
In parts of Worthing it is permit holder only parking between 10-11am and 2-3pm. This solves the problem of commuters leaving their cars in residential streets for the whole day. Catches a few people out who can't get their head around the restriction and see it as 'public parking between 10/11 and 2/3. Cue ticket stuck to screen! Jay1000
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3:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Just asking! says...

Jay1000 wrote:
In parts of Worthing it is permit holder only parking between 10-11am and 2-3pm. This solves the problem of commuters leaving their cars in residential streets for the whole day. Catches a few people out who can't get their head around the restriction and see it as 'public parking between 10/11 and 2/3. Cue ticket stuck to screen!
Apparently, the Council will not consider any such options for the new zones. I believe it is like this in parts of Queens Park as well, and very effective. People who want zones need to be clear about what the problem is they are trying to solve. If they can't park at night then this will make no difference because it doesn't apply beyond 8pm, if they are worried about commuter parking (although God knows how they manage to find the spaces if its so bad) then all that is needed is a couple of hours in the middle of the day when you can't park.

Surely the easiest solution is to be able to register your vehicle as belonging to a Council Tax payer, and that entitles you to park.
[quote][p][bold]Jay1000[/bold] wrote: In parts of Worthing it is permit holder only parking between 10-11am and 2-3pm. This solves the problem of commuters leaving their cars in residential streets for the whole day. Catches a few people out who can't get their head around the restriction and see it as 'public parking between 10/11 and 2/3. Cue ticket stuck to screen![/p][/quote]Apparently, the Council will not consider any such options for the new zones. I believe it is like this in parts of Queens Park as well, and very effective. People who want zones need to be clear about what the problem is they are trying to solve. If they can't park at night then this will make no difference because it doesn't apply beyond 8pm, if they are worried about commuter parking (although God knows how they manage to find the spaces if its so bad) then all that is needed is a couple of hours in the middle of the day when you can't park. Surely the easiest solution is to be able to register your vehicle as belonging to a Council Tax payer, and that entitles you to park. Just asking!
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3:27pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Just asking! says...

rolivan wrote:
Will all of these areas remain for permit holders only or will the council gradually introduce Pay and Display as well which will reduce the bays available to permit holders?
There will be specific bays for visitors - presumably empty nearly all the time. The consultation admits that the number of parking spaces available overall will be reduced as a result.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Will all of these areas remain for permit holders only or will the council gradually introduce Pay and Display as well which will reduce the bays available to permit holders?[/p][/quote]There will be specific bays for visitors - presumably empty nearly all the time. The consultation admits that the number of parking spaces available overall will be reduced as a result. Just asking!
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3:29pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Hoarder12345444 says...

RoundhillResident wrote:
Parking in Roundhill is an utter nightmare. As a mother of two young children I find myself competing with spaces taken up by non residents. This is very frustrating when trying to park close to home to unload groceries/buggies/sm all children from the car. I often find myself double parking to unload as I can’t leave my children unattended (in the car or house) while I walk back and forth between my house and the car, which can often be streets away. You only have to look out the window during the morning to see commuters parking along our street on their way to town or London Road station. The quality of our lives in Roundhill will be improved by a CPZ and I don't begrudge the council generating revenue from this rather than increasing council taxes across the whole city. Parking is a part of the cost of owning a car.
Well to be honest, you live in an area that is one place where people commute near to, like myself. the area is clogged, has no driveways for cars and there are many cars, like hanover, near Preston park, all those areas are the same. Havelock road, chester terrace etc. If you choose to live in such an area you then you are part of the problem. Parking is hard anywhere, lots of cars everywhere. Even somewhere like coldean or Hangleton, mostly residential, still a bit of an issue, but less so. If you are willing to pay £120 odd a year for a permit then fine, I certainly wouldn't. If that means you can park outside your house then fine, price you have to pay to live in central Brighton I guess. I myself never would, but that's my choice. Clearly people want to live there and more centrally, but have to pay for it.
[quote][p][bold]RoundhillResident[/bold] wrote: Parking in Roundhill is an utter nightmare. As a mother of two young children I find myself competing with spaces taken up by non residents. This is very frustrating when trying to park close to home to unload groceries/buggies/sm all children from the car. I often find myself double parking to unload as I can’t leave my children unattended (in the car or house) while I walk back and forth between my house and the car, which can often be streets away. You only have to look out the window during the morning to see commuters parking along our street on their way to town or London Road station. The quality of our lives in Roundhill will be improved by a CPZ and I don't begrudge the council generating revenue from this rather than increasing council taxes across the whole city. Parking is a part of the cost of owning a car.[/p][/quote]Well to be honest, you live in an area that is one place where people commute near to, like myself. the area is clogged, has no driveways for cars and there are many cars, like hanover, near Preston park, all those areas are the same. Havelock road, chester terrace etc. If you choose to live in such an area you then you are part of the problem. Parking is hard anywhere, lots of cars everywhere. Even somewhere like coldean or Hangleton, mostly residential, still a bit of an issue, but less so. If you are willing to pay £120 odd a year for a permit then fine, I certainly wouldn't. If that means you can park outside your house then fine, price you have to pay to live in central Brighton I guess. I myself never would, but that's my choice. Clearly people want to live there and more centrally, but have to pay for it. Hoarder12345444
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4:53pm Tue 9 Oct 12

kraftwerker says...

Let's face it...the Council just wants more and more money to line its pockets. If less people drove pointless 4x4's in Brighton and Hove, we'd not need so much resident parking. However, get those idiots who insist on double-parking in narrow roads, then I'd not be so anti about paying for parking .
Let's face it...the Council just wants more and more money to line its pockets. If less people drove pointless 4x4's in Brighton and Hove, we'd not need so much resident parking. However, get those idiots who insist on double-parking in narrow roads, then I'd not be so anti about paying for parking . kraftwerker
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4:56pm Tue 9 Oct 12

hammerfan says...

£120 per year.
Weekly that's less then a pint of beer,
Ten fags or two litres of petrol. I am not a Green voter but parking has to be addressed. They should make all motorists do a years service as a Parking attendant,
-I bet that would change attitudes!
£120 per year. Weekly that's less then a pint of beer, Ten fags or two litres of petrol. I am not a Green voter but parking has to be addressed. They should make all motorists do a years service as a Parking attendant, -I bet that would change attitudes! hammerfan
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5:19pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Just asking! says...

hammerfan wrote:
£120 per year. Weekly that's less then a pint of beer, Ten fags or two litres of petrol. I am not a Green voter but parking has to be addressed. They should make all motorists do a years service as a Parking attendant, -I bet that would change attitudes!
But why do they have to charge anything? They can send you a parking permit in the post with your Council Tax demand. That would remove out of area parking at no expense. The zones are made stupidly complex in order to justify charging.
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: £120 per year. Weekly that's less then a pint of beer, Ten fags or two litres of petrol. I am not a Green voter but parking has to be addressed. They should make all motorists do a years service as a Parking attendant, -I bet that would change attitudes![/p][/quote]But why do they have to charge anything? They can send you a parking permit in the post with your Council Tax demand. That would remove out of area parking at no expense. The zones are made stupidly complex in order to justify charging. Just asking!
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5:25pm Tue 9 Oct 12

hammerfan says...

You cannot expect non-motorists to pay for parking. You have to have enforcement officers- Parking attendants. So how do you pay their wages?
You cannot expect non-motorists to pay for parking. You have to have enforcement officers- Parking attendants. So how do you pay their wages? hammerfan
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5:46pm Tue 9 Oct 12

rolivan says...

Just asking! wrote:
hammerfan wrote:
£120 per year. Weekly that's less then a pint of beer, Ten fags or two litres of petrol. I am not a Green voter but parking has to be addressed. They should make all motorists do a years service as a Parking attendant, -I bet that would change attitudes!
But why do they have to charge anything? They can send you a parking permit in the post with your Council Tax demand. That would remove out of area parking at no expense. The zones are made stupidly complex in order to justify charging.
I quite like that idea, maybe they could issue a permit to every Council Taxpayer that would enable them to park anywhere in the City at say an extra £50 a year and then charge anyone else £500 a year that would sort out all of the Students who voted the Greens in as they don't have to pay Council tax but can vote.
[quote][p][bold]Just asking![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: £120 per year. Weekly that's less then a pint of beer, Ten fags or two litres of petrol. I am not a Green voter but parking has to be addressed. They should make all motorists do a years service as a Parking attendant, -I bet that would change attitudes![/p][/quote]But why do they have to charge anything? They can send you a parking permit in the post with your Council Tax demand. That would remove out of area parking at no expense. The zones are made stupidly complex in order to justify charging.[/p][/quote]I quite like that idea, maybe they could issue a permit to every Council Taxpayer that would enable them to park anywhere in the City at say an extra £50 a year and then charge anyone else £500 a year that would sort out all of the Students who voted the Greens in as they don't have to pay Council tax but can vote. rolivan
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6:32pm Tue 9 Oct 12

gnarlychaos says...

with the impending changes to housing benefits me thinks a lot more residents are going to be parked in the streets.
WAKE UP
with the impending changes to housing benefits me thinks a lot more residents are going to be parked in the streets. WAKE UP gnarlychaos
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6:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Fight_Back says...

hammerfan wrote:
You cannot expect non-motorists to pay for parking. You have to have enforcement officers- Parking attendants. So how do you pay their wages?
What about the huge amount ( nearly £5m ) they take in parking tickets ?
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: You cannot expect non-motorists to pay for parking. You have to have enforcement officers- Parking attendants. So how do you pay their wages?[/p][/quote]What about the huge amount ( nearly £5m ) they take in parking tickets ? Fight_Back
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7:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

On_the_Level says...

Here is how it works:
Step 1. Consult
Step 2. Ignore Protests
Step 3. Implement

I know this from experience!
Here is how it works: Step 1. Consult Step 2. Ignore Protests Step 3. Implement I know this from experience! On_the_Level
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7:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Cali's Mum says...

I live in Roundhill area and NOT EVERYONE in Roundhill is favour of a CPZ.

What a darn cheek you have thinking you can speak for all Roundhill residents or even thinking you are speeking for the majority.

I would urge everyone however though to let Brighton & Hove know your views by completing their citywide parking review survey.

The closing date is 26 October.
http://consult.brigh
ton-hove.gov.uk/publ
ic/bhcc/env/parking/
city-wide_parking_re
view
I live in Roundhill area and NOT EVERYONE in Roundhill is favour of a CPZ. What a darn cheek you have thinking you can speak for all Roundhill residents or even thinking you are speeking for the majority. I would urge everyone however though to let Brighton & Hove know your views by completing their citywide parking review survey. The closing date is 26 October. http://consult.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/publ ic/bhcc/env/parking/ city-wide_parking_re view Cali's Mum
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7:55pm Tue 9 Oct 12

On_the_Level says...

I totally agree with Cali's Mum - well said
I totally agree with Cali's Mum - well said On_the_Level
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8:15pm Tue 9 Oct 12

HJarrs says...

As a non-car owner I am always amazed at the beggar your neighbour attitude of a lot of you people.

It is a natural desire to park as close to home as possible, but just not realistic in most of the city without some form of restriction. So you drivers ask for restrictions and as restrictions spread you restrict your own possibility to park across the city. Some of you, having asked for restrictions in your own street then have the cheek to complain about parking restrictions elsewhere.

Of course you can blame the council as much as you like (and every party has increased parking zones at resisdents request), but it is residents that are causing the problem.

In Hanover, restrictions were rejected, however, there was support around Albion Hill, which has now got parking restrictions. Guess what, the rest of Hanover is now full up and I bet a pound to a penny that many residents will be demanding residents parking. Like I say, beggar your neighbour.

I have sympathy for those that really do need a car, but I reckon that is less than 50% of the cars I pass parked on the street. I little sympathy for those that impose large cars on the rest of us; nobody holds you at gun point to buy these vehicles.
As a non-car owner I am always amazed at the beggar your neighbour attitude of a lot of you people. It is a natural desire to park as close to home as possible, but just not realistic in most of the city without some form of restriction. So you drivers ask for restrictions and as restrictions spread you restrict your own possibility to park across the city. Some of you, having asked for restrictions in your own street then have the cheek to complain about parking restrictions elsewhere. Of course you can blame the council as much as you like (and every party has increased parking zones at resisdents request), but it is residents that are causing the problem. In Hanover, restrictions were rejected, however, there was support around Albion Hill, which has now got parking restrictions. Guess what, the rest of Hanover is now full up and I bet a pound to a penny that many residents will be demanding residents parking. Like I say, beggar your neighbour. I have sympathy for those that really do need a car, but I reckon that is less than 50% of the cars I pass parked on the street. I little sympathy for those that impose large cars on the rest of us; nobody holds you at gun point to buy these vehicles. HJarrs
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8:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12

mackeson says...

Thanks for reminding us about the CONSULTATION. Why is it that some areas are now being consulted ahead of the consultation publication date, which is now supposedly only being published early next year? Or are the results of the consultation just a formality horror gasp :-0 Oh no, just remembered, that ward has voted in three local councillors who are all from the GREEN party and who must now be seen to be earning their pay, even though the GREENs have stated that nothing will be done before the report is issued and the residents consulted.
Thanks for reminding us about the CONSULTATION. Why is it that some areas are now being consulted ahead of the consultation publication date, which is now supposedly only being published early next year? Or are the results of the consultation just a formality horror gasp :-0 Oh no, just remembered, that ward has voted in three local councillors who are all from the GREEN party and who must now be seen to be earning their pay, even though the GREENs have stated that nothing will be done before the report is issued and the residents consulted. mackeson
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9:12pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Nathan_Adler says...

Mr Percy is a bit of an idiot to be honest.

Simply. Buy a permit (they won't be that much) and hey presto you get better parking NEAR YOUR HOME!!!

NSL will patrol the streets and fine dodgy parkers plus they will be an extra set of eyes in the street with our dilapidated police force.

Overall its a win/win situation.
Mr Percy is a bit of an idiot to be honest. Simply. Buy a permit (they won't be that much) and hey presto you get better parking NEAR YOUR HOME!!! NSL will patrol the streets and fine dodgy parkers plus they will be an extra set of eyes in the street with our dilapidated police force. Overall its a win/win situation. Nathan_Adler
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10:21pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

You are the cheekiest devil I have ever come across HJarrs.
You promote the beggar your neighbour attitude at almost every post you make.
You came from London, moved into Hanover, and then started telling the rest of the population to use buses and the cycle lanes when you don't bloody well do it yourself unless you fancy taking your little offspring to the park and decide to take the bicycle for a one off.
You aren't the average family, you don't have family or relatives dotted all over the city and you don't have a couple of kids spread across various schools across the city.
One day, when you have a few more kids, attending various schools, and maybe your partner has to work full time and unsociable hours and you have to move to Hangleton or Coldean because like all the other incomers to Hanover, you eventually move on, and your parents and in-laws get a wee bit older and need more support, then you will get an idea why most poor sods have to drive a car.
Sadly, most families are working at break neck speed to cater for all the daily demands on them.....and you and all the other rich, posh Greens like KitKat and the other lovely ladies in the party have no idea about average family life.
Stay in the kitchen baking fancy loaves and stop wasting local people's time.
You are the cheekiest devil I have ever come across HJarrs. You promote the beggar your neighbour attitude at almost every post you make. You came from London, moved into Hanover, and then started telling the rest of the population to use buses and the cycle lanes when you don't bloody well do it yourself unless you fancy taking your little offspring to the park and decide to take the bicycle for a one off. You aren't the average family, you don't have family or relatives dotted all over the city and you don't have a couple of kids spread across various schools across the city. One day, when you have a few more kids, attending various schools, and maybe your partner has to work full time and unsociable hours and you have to move to Hangleton or Coldean because like all the other incomers to Hanover, you eventually move on, and your parents and in-laws get a wee bit older and need more support, then you will get an idea why most poor sods have to drive a car. Sadly, most families are working at break neck speed to cater for all the daily demands on them.....and you and all the other rich, posh Greens like KitKat and the other lovely ladies in the party have no idea about average family life. Stay in the kitchen baking fancy loaves and stop wasting local people's time. Maxwell's Ghost
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8:53am Wed 10 Oct 12

ARealBessie says...

On_the_Level wrote:
Here is how it works:
Step 1. Consult
Step 2. Ignore Protests
Step 3. Implement

I know this from experience!
How true. Only, you missed out a couple of steps:

Step 1. Make firm decision over future plans for public space.
Step 2. Consult.
Step 3. Ignore Consultation data.
Step 4. Ignore Protests.
Step 5. Implement.

I too, know this from experience!
[quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: Here is how it works: Step 1. Consult Step 2. Ignore Protests Step 3. Implement I know this from experience![/p][/quote]How true. Only, you missed out a couple of steps: Step 1. Make firm decision over future plans for public space. Step 2. Consult. Step 3. Ignore Consultation data. Step 4. Ignore Protests. Step 5. Implement. I too, know this from experience! ARealBessie
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9:20am Wed 10 Oct 12

s&k says...

Cali's Mum wrote:
I live in Roundhill area and NOT EVERYONE in Roundhill is favour of a CPZ. What a darn cheek you have thinking you can speak for all Roundhill residents or even thinking you are speeking for the majority. I would urge everyone however though to let Brighton & Hove know your views by completing their citywide parking review survey. The closing date is 26 October. http://consult.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/publ ic/bhcc/env/parking/ city-wide_parking_re view
I live in Round Hill and I would urge people to vote YES but if there are details about the scheme you think could be improved then let the Council know.
[quote][p][bold]Cali's Mum[/bold] wrote: I live in Roundhill area and NOT EVERYONE in Roundhill is favour of a CPZ. What a darn cheek you have thinking you can speak for all Roundhill residents or even thinking you are speeking for the majority. I would urge everyone however though to let Brighton & Hove know your views by completing their citywide parking review survey. The closing date is 26 October. http://consult.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/publ ic/bhcc/env/parking/ city-wide_parking_re view[/p][/quote]I live in Round Hill and I would urge people to vote YES but if there are details about the scheme you think could be improved then let the Council know. s&k
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9:32am Wed 10 Oct 12

Capt. Sensiblé says...

s&k wrote:
Cali's Mum wrote:
I live in Roundhill area and NOT EVERYONE in Roundhill is favour of a CPZ. What a darn cheek you have thinking you can speak for all Roundhill residents or even thinking you are speeking for the majority. I would urge everyone however though to let Brighton & Hove know your views by completing their citywide parking review survey. The closing date is 26 October. http://consult.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/publ ic/bhcc/env/parking/ city-wide_parking_re view
I live in Round Hill and I would urge people to vote YES but if there are details about the scheme you think could be improved then let the Council know.
Basically, Rimington can do one, everyone knows that the council is trying to cash in on the potential permit and P&D goldmine around the two university of Brighton buildings, but they may as well give up because NO ONE ROUND THERE WANTS IT
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cali's Mum[/bold] wrote: I live in Roundhill area and NOT EVERYONE in Roundhill is favour of a CPZ. What a darn cheek you have thinking you can speak for all Roundhill residents or even thinking you are speeking for the majority. I would urge everyone however though to let Brighton & Hove know your views by completing their citywide parking review survey. The closing date is 26 October. http://consult.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/publ ic/bhcc/env/parking/ city-wide_parking_re view[/p][/quote]I live in Round Hill and I would urge people to vote YES but if there are details about the scheme you think could be improved then let the Council know.[/p][/quote]Basically, Rimington can do one, everyone knows that the council is trying to cash in on the potential permit and P&D goldmine around the two university of Brighton buildings, but they may as well give up because NO ONE ROUND THERE WANTS IT Capt. Sensiblé
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9:45am Wed 10 Oct 12

Capt. Sensiblé says...

The late Joe Strummer wrote:
s&k wrote:
Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people."

Were they? My understanding is that residents' request them because of the parking problems they experience.
My thoughts exactly.

As a Roundhill resident I'm very much in favour of the proposals, as are the majority of people I've spoken to in the area.

It's likely that Roundhill will be surrounded by controlled parking zones in the near future, and without a controlled zone of its own will just become a dumping ground for the surrounding areas.
yeah well as a long term princes street resident, i don't want it because it makes the roads/streets look like sh*t and costs money to install, enforce and use. Also, residents permits means no one wants to come and visit you because it's a kind of visitors tax, but I guess that the 'residents' who want the scheme don't mind as they are the kind of people who moan about where people park their cars, and therefore don't get many visitors anyway
[quote][p][bold]The late Joe Strummer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people." Were they? My understanding is that residents' request them because of the parking problems they experience.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. As a Roundhill resident I'm very much in favour of the proposals, as are the majority of people I've spoken to in the area. It's likely that Roundhill will be surrounded by controlled parking zones in the near future, and without a controlled zone of its own will just become a dumping ground for the surrounding areas.[/p][/quote]yeah well as a long term princes street resident, i don't want it because it makes the roads/streets look like sh*t and costs money to install, enforce and use. Also, residents permits means no one wants to come and visit you because it's a kind of visitors tax, but I guess that the 'residents' who want the scheme don't mind as they are the kind of people who moan about where people park their cars, and therefore don't get many visitors anyway Capt. Sensiblé
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9:54am Wed 10 Oct 12

Capt. Sensiblé says...

RoundhillResident wrote:
Parking in Roundhill is an utter nightmare. As a mother of two young children I find myself competing with spaces taken up by non residents. This is very frustrating when trying to park close to home to unload groceries/buggies/sm

all children from the car. I often find myself double parking to unload as I can’t leave my children unattended (in the car or house) while I walk back and forth between my house and the car, which can often be streets away. You only have to look out the window during the morning to see commuters parking along our street on their way to town or London Road station. The quality of our lives in Roundhill will be improved by a CPZ and I don't begrudge the council generating revenue from this rather than increasing council taxes across the whole city. Parking is a part of the cost of owning a car.
Oh you poor thing, having to move shopping AND children from a car into your house. you must be the first person who has ever had to do that.
[quote][p][bold]RoundhillResident[/bold] wrote: Parking in Roundhill is an utter nightmare. As a mother of two young children I find myself competing with spaces taken up by non residents. This is very frustrating when trying to park close to home to unload groceries/buggies/sm all children from the car. I often find myself double parking to unload as I can’t leave my children unattended (in the car or house) while I walk back and forth between my house and the car, which can often be streets away. You only have to look out the window during the morning to see commuters parking along our street on their way to town or London Road station. The quality of our lives in Roundhill will be improved by a CPZ and I don't begrudge the council generating revenue from this rather than increasing council taxes across the whole city. Parking is a part of the cost of owning a car.[/p][/quote]Oh you poor thing, having to move shopping AND children from a car into your house. you must be the first person who has ever had to do that. Capt. Sensiblé
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10:03am Wed 10 Oct 12

Capt. Sensiblé says...

Capt. Sensiblé wrote:
The late Joe Strummer wrote:
s&k wrote:
Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people."

Were they? My understanding is that residents' request them because of the parking problems they experience.
My thoughts exactly.

As a Roundhill resident I'm very much in favour of the proposals, as are the majority of people I've spoken to in the area.

It's likely that Roundhill will be surrounded by controlled parking zones in the near future, and without a controlled zone of its own will just become a dumping ground for the surrounding areas.
yeah well as a long term princes street resident, i don't want it because it makes the roads/streets look like sh*t and costs money to install, enforce and use. Also, residents permits means no one wants to come and visit you because it's a kind of visitors tax, but I guess that the 'residents' who want the scheme don't mind as they are the kind of people who moan about where people park their cars, and therefore don't get many visitors anyway
*road
[quote][p][bold]Capt. Sensiblé[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The late Joe Strummer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “When the council took over and started putting in the new zones, schemes like this were forced upon people." Were they? My understanding is that residents' request them because of the parking problems they experience.[/p][/quote]My thoughts exactly. As a Roundhill resident I'm very much in favour of the proposals, as are the majority of people I've spoken to in the area. It's likely that Roundhill will be surrounded by controlled parking zones in the near future, and without a controlled zone of its own will just become a dumping ground for the surrounding areas.[/p][/quote]yeah well as a long term princes street resident, i don't want it because it makes the roads/streets look like sh*t and costs money to install, enforce and use. Also, residents permits means no one wants to come and visit you because it's a kind of visitors tax, but I guess that the 'residents' who want the scheme don't mind as they are the kind of people who moan about where people park their cars, and therefore don't get many visitors anyway[/p][/quote]*road Capt. Sensiblé
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12:34pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Fairfax Sakes says...

Its perfectly reasonable that the council wishes to generate a few more revenue streams via parking permits, visitor permits and ticketing charges. A step in the right direction towards tidier streets if you ask me.
If anything, the charges need to be ramped up-this is the best way to discourage people from using cars, and hopefully bring a bit more comfort for those that can afford to do so. It will also impact on cost of living, and thus hopefully faciltate some of the socio-economic cleansing which Brighton and Hove quite frankly needs and deserves. Most of the people in these areas would be paying for the permit it from their generous welfare cheque anyway.
Its perfectly reasonable that the council wishes to generate a few more revenue streams via parking permits, visitor permits and ticketing charges. A step in the right direction towards tidier streets if you ask me. If anything, the charges need to be ramped up-this is the best way to discourage people from using cars, and hopefully bring a bit more comfort for those that can afford to do so. It will also impact on cost of living, and thus hopefully faciltate some of the socio-economic cleansing which Brighton and Hove quite frankly needs and deserves. Most of the people in these areas would be paying for the permit it from their generous welfare cheque anyway. Fairfax Sakes
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11:16pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Capt. Sensiblé says...

Fairfax Sakes wrote:
Its perfectly reasonable that the council wishes to generate a few more revenue streams via parking permits, visitor permits and ticketing charges. A step in the right direction towards tidier streets if you ask me.
If anything, the charges need to be ramped up-this is the best way to discourage people from using cars, and hopefully bring a bit more comfort for those that can afford to do so. It will also impact on cost of living, and thus hopefully faciltate some of the socio-economic cleansing which Brighton and Hove quite frankly needs and deserves. Most of the people in these areas would be paying for the permit it from their generous welfare cheque anyway.
Socio-economic cleansing? Don't be so silly. This is a private housing area, Have a word with yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Sakes[/bold] wrote: Its perfectly reasonable that the council wishes to generate a few more revenue streams via parking permits, visitor permits and ticketing charges. A step in the right direction towards tidier streets if you ask me. If anything, the charges need to be ramped up-this is the best way to discourage people from using cars, and hopefully bring a bit more comfort for those that can afford to do so. It will also impact on cost of living, and thus hopefully faciltate some of the socio-economic cleansing which Brighton and Hove quite frankly needs and deserves. Most of the people in these areas would be paying for the permit it from their generous welfare cheque anyway.[/p][/quote]Socio-economic cleansing? Don't be so silly. This is a private housing area, Have a word with yourself. Capt. Sensiblé
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