Old Shoreham Road route picked as one of UK's best new cycling initiatives (From The Argus)
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Old Shoreham Road route picked as one of UK's best new cycling initiatives
4:32pm Monday 15th October 2012 in News By Ben James
Old Shoreham Road route picked as one of UK's best new cycling initiatives
A Brighton and Hove cycle route has been named as one of the country’s best for promoting, protecting and inspiring two-wheeled travel.
The Old Shoreham Road route has been chosen as one of 15 cycling initiatives to make up a charity’s imaginary town showcasing the best cycle friendly schemes.
Cycletopia, which has been created by the national cycling charity CTC, includes a main road inspired by the city’s £700,000 project.
The cycle route, which was opened in June this year, includes an extra wide bike lane where cyclists have priority over traffic turning out of side roads.
Cyclists are also given a head start over motorists at traffic lights and junctions.
Rob Fuller, the charity’s development director, said: “Brighton introduced new hybrid cycle lanes along one of the main roads in the city.
“These lanes have priority over traffic turning out of side roads and at main junctions cyclists are given a few seconds head start with a separate signal.
“CTC would like other local authorities across the UK to be inspired by the wide cycle lanes on Old Shoreham Road and install cycle lanes that encourage people to feel safer cycling on busier roads.”
Other initiatives on the list include London’s Barclays Cycle Hire, a work cycle scheme in Milton Keynes and a car free bridge in York.
CTC is the largest cycling organisation in the UK with 70,000 members.
Chief executive Gordon Seabright added: “Great Britain proved this summer that we have the best cyclists in the world.
“Now, we need to create towns and cities that are world class for cycling. There are already great things being done right here in the UK to improve cycling; they just need to happen across all our towns and cities.”
Comments(69)
Dealing with idiots
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4:44pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Cabin fever
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4:57pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Dealing with idiots wrote:Is your username ironic, given that you don't know the difference between a full stop and a comma when posting monetary values? Or the fact that you can't spell 'anyone'?
£700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though.
I think the new cycle lane along OSR is great, and every time I've been along that stretch of road, there have been cyclists using it.
But let's not let facts get in the way of a good political rant, eh?
Cyril Bolleaux
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5:00pm Mon 15 Oct 12
pistachionut
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5:09pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:You can't get off the driveway as the motorists are using the side roads as a rat run.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Huge waste of money, and dangerous due to the poor design. No doubt Graham_seagull will be on here later with the others saying how wonderful it is.
It is no safer than if a white line was painted rather than the stupid kerbs.
BobFord
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5:09pm Mon 15 Oct 12
johnthomas
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5:26pm Mon 15 Oct 12
This saves me loads as I don't shop much in Brighton now I just walk to the station & spend all my money shopping in London
My train fare is paid for by the money I save in parking & the cost of using my car
And I did vote at the last council elections - not for the greens
Maxwell's Ghost
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5:38pm Mon 15 Oct 12
They undulate up and down with driveways and crossing points for the blind and disabled, then they become parts of roads, people park on the damned thing. There are often kiddies in the wandering about on scooters and teenagers on skateboards. The lanes are now just for kids to play on and not suitable for cyclists travelling at 15mph or above.
Then people come out of their driveways at quite a pace, making you flinch as you are not sure if they have seen you.
I prefer to stick to the nice flat road and get up a speed to keep up with the traffic.
These lanes are for kiddies and Sunday cycling parents riding Barbie bikes at 2mph, not serious cyclists with a destination to reach within a certain time.
BURIRAM
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5:56pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:Yes, I cycle everywhere but prefer to be with the main traffic as it is safer than the cycle lanes.
I'm a commuting cyclist and I find the new lanes terrifying and never, ever use them.
They undulate up and down with driveways and crossing points for the blind and disabled, then they become parts of roads, people park on the damned thing. There are often kiddies in the wandering about on scooters and teenagers on skateboards. The lanes are now just for kids to play on and not suitable for cyclists travelling at 15mph or above.
Then people come out of their driveways at quite a pace, making you flinch as you are not sure if they have seen you.
I prefer to stick to the nice flat road and get up a speed to keep up with the traffic.
These lanes are for kiddies and Sunday cycling parents riding Barbie bikes at 2mph, not serious cyclists with a destination to reach within a certain time.
Cyril Bolleaux
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5:57pm Mon 15 Oct 12
BobFord wrote:We were informed the cycle lanes were needed so young people would cycle to school/college - they don't. We all know the open agenda of the council is to make life unpleasant for motorists. I prefer the old days when councils worked for the benefit of residents rather than doctrinaire pie in the sky.
So Cyril, 'barely any young people' is the definition for the success or failure of the scheme. Being in my 50's I doubt you would consider me young so a good reason not to have the scheme. Maybe the idea is to convince people to use bikes rather than cars - a hidden agenda maybe?????
Joshiman
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6:22pm Mon 15 Oct 12
lists,motorcyclists,
car drivers.Most of the time traffic moves smoothly.I know ,i have driven in Paris/Barcelona and in most European countries.We are the joke.The A259,/London rd/Lewes Rd soon.Preston Rd/The Viaduct in fact all rds in and out of Brighton are a disgrace.What must visitors think.
ps Has anyone spotted a cyclist on Grand avenue yet or better still has anyone ever seen more than one cycle using the cycle racks?
Fercri Sakes
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6:26pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Instead we could be selling school playing fields and using the money to build bigger roads for non-council-tax-payi
ng out-of-towners instead?
graham_Seagull
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6:50pm Mon 15 Oct 12
That road was two lanes before and is two lanes now... So the difference is what exactly?
graham_Seagull
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6:55pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Everyone isn't treated the same on the schemes you refer to; the pedestrians and cyclist have priority :)
Maxwell's Ghost
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7:06pm Mon 15 Oct 12
I cycle a 30 mile round trip daily and it it the topography of the city which is the killer of motivation to take up cycling.
I've lived next door to students for ten years and out of 40 of themonly two, super fit types have cycled the city, with all stating that the bus service is so much better than trying to get a bike uf Bear Road, Fiveways or Seven Dials.
It is also the dreadful one way systems in town, the lack of cycle racks in the city centre and the high likelihood of your bike being stolen or the wheel stamped on which puts others off.
I suppose you are a regular cyclists, just like Bill Randall and the Greens....NOT.
I have yet to hear that a single Green councillor cycles.
As you are one of them, perhaps you can correct this.
Cyril Bolleaux
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7:08pm Mon 15 Oct 12
graham_Seagull wrote:The difference is that in many places the road was dual before whereas now it is single. In addition bus stops have deliberately been placed in the roadway such as the one just past Shirley Drive so that when the bus stops cars cannot get past so they back up across the junction causing gridlock. Cars cannot turn right into side roads without causing gridlock etc. etc. etc..
Classic comment. Of course congestion isn't caused by cars is it, it's the road. I've heard it all now!!
That road was two lanes before and is two lanes now... So the difference is what exactly?
paul76
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7:13pm Mon 15 Oct 12
I use the road sometimes around 4.30pm and hardly ever see anyone on a bike using the lanes.
Also huge queues of traffic now that there are specific right turn only lanes at traffic lights. Not sure of the point of that. On the plus side, what with riding a motorbike, getting to the front of queues of traffic is now easier :)
ShorehamBeachcomber
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7:19pm Mon 15 Oct 12
ruberducker
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7:44pm Mon 15 Oct 12
it's not rocket science,if you reduce the size of the road and the amount of traffic on it that can get along it, it will cause congestion,increase the carbon emissions.and it will take you longer to complete your trip.the cost of these cycle lanes does not justify the detremental effect it has on the town,and goes completely against the green ethos and the expense of the tax payer.
johnthomas
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7:47pm Mon 15 Oct 12
graham_Seagull wrote:As a pedestrian I promise you we do not have priority. Half the pavement space has also been taken over by cycle lanes & it is often single file on the pavement too in Brighton
Joshiman.
Everyone isn't treated the same on the schemes you refer to; the pedestrians and cyclist have priority :)
On_the_Level
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8:39pm Mon 15 Oct 12
guitarmanzz
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9:51pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Joshiman wrote:Couldnt have put it better myself Joshiman.Its scary what these loony greens are planning next...one lane of traffic on lewes road and the run into town on grand parade!! The cycle lanes are a joke in their cost and the drive/old shoreham road ones were a step to far (yes i cycle to work every day) and were unecessary and a total waste of our council tax. GREENS OUT as soon as poss...
Is Cycletopia a comic.?Cycle lanes have ruined Brighton.Hardly anyone uses them,preferring pavements/roads.As a car driver I am also aware of cyclists on the road and am always courteous to them.I just dont have an issue with cyclists.Its the Council.The Council have a shortfall in finances,which is about the same as the cost of this cycle lane.They want to increase Council tax in Brighton although the rest of the UK it will be frozen.Our roads are gridlocked,causing anger amongst car drivers,dangerous exhaust fumes,ridiculous traffic light sequences,favouring pedestrians.It doesnt happen on the continent.Everyone is treated the same.Pedestrians,cyc
lists,motorcyclists,
car drivers.Most of the time traffic moves smoothly.I know ,i have driven in Paris/Barcelona and in most European countries.We are the joke.The A259,/London rd/Lewes Rd soon.Preston Rd/The Viaduct in fact all rds in and out of Brighton are a disgrace.What must visitors think.
ps Has anyone spotted a cyclist on Grand avenue yet or better still has anyone ever seen more than one cycle using the cycle racks?
PJW Brighton
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7:33am Tue 16 Oct 12
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Trouble getting out of the house? Try walking or cycling and you'll find it easier to fit through the doors.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Dealing with idiots
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8:20am Tue 16 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:I apologise for my dyslexia but you can never apologise for your stupidity.
Dealing with idiots wrote: £700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though.Is your username ironic, given that you don't know the difference between a full stop and a comma when posting monetary values? Or the fact that you can't spell 'anyone'? I think the new cycle lane along OSR is great, and every time I've been along that stretch of road, there have been cyclists using it. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good political rant, eh?
SnowyBrighton
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8:27am Tue 16 Oct 12
When The Argus prints stories like these, 90% of the time they forget to mention where the funding came from.
Everyone's right when they say that the council can't afford these schemes and that is why they actually use very little of Council Tax Payers money.
Brighton is one of a few places in the country that seek out funding streams, bid/apply and actually win...a lot!
The OSR cycle path was funded by money from the European Union/Comission as was Grand Avenue and any other cycling iniative since 2009. This isn't a Green thing, it started under the conservatives and the Greens have just been the administration in power.
Likewise, it was whilst under the conservative council that council officials bid for the Lewes Road area funding. All the plans for the money were written by council officials again whilst working for the conservative administration.
Just think, if you hate the idea of paying money to the EU, then just think that we are getting some of it back. For those of you worried about spending, again, think, it's not council tax income paying for it.
For reference, the OSR scheme was part of CIVITAS (google it) and the Lewes Road scheme funding is funding from DfT (Local Sustainable Transport Fund)...google these and you'll see it's not the Green administration.
Plantpot
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8:30am Tue 16 Oct 12
PJW Brighton wrote:Actually, this is completely untrue. Whilst exercise is good for you, it doesn't really do anything for weight loss - basic physiology I'm afraid. it's all about your diet.
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Trouble getting out of the house? Try walking or cycling and you'll find it easier to fit through the doors.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Maxwell's Ghost
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8:46am Tue 16 Oct 12
But the new section of cycle lane is once again going to undulate up and down pavements and go behind bus stops. It's utterly bizarre and yet another "kiddies play area Barbie bike" type of cycle lane for leisure cycling and unsuitable for fast commuting. The one on Preston Road is the same with tiny little bits of cycle lane on pavements where pedestrians wait for buses and it is unusable so you will see that most cyclists just stick to the road.
It's just nutty, but all you can guarantee out of this, is that the Green party will not be relected and Ms Lucas will also probably struggle to keep her seat too.
Will she grab her EU seat back from old Keith Taylor? Who voted for him?
Cash Cow
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9:05am Tue 16 Oct 12
Cash Cow
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9:08am Tue 16 Oct 12
Cabin fever
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9:21am Tue 16 Oct 12
Dealing with idiots wrote:That's pretty mild dyslexia, DWI, given that it affects symbols and spaces between words, rather than the words themselves.
Cabin fever wrote:I apologise for my dyslexia but you can never apologise for your stupidity.
Dealing with idiots wrote: £700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though.Is your username ironic, given that you don't know the difference between a full stop and a comma when posting monetary values? Or the fact that you can't spell 'anyone'? I think the new cycle lane along OSR is great, and every time I've been along that stretch of road, there have been cyclists using it. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good political rant, eh?
And, pray tell, why am I stupid?
Cabin fever
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9:25am Tue 16 Oct 12
Plantpot wrote:Ha ha, good one.
PJW Brighton wrote:Actually, this is completely untrue. Whilst exercise is good for you, it doesn't really do anything for weight loss - basic physiology I'm afraid. it's all about your diet.
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Trouble getting out of the house? Try walking or cycling and you'll find it easier to fit through the doors.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
So by doing exercise you burn calories, but that doesn't contribute to weight loss, then?
Riiiiiiiight...
Also, are you saying the statement you refer to is "completely untrue", or that it "doesn't really do anything for weight loss", because the two are not strictly the same...
Fight_Back
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9:40am Tue 16 Oct 12
graham_Seagull wrote:Putting aside whether cycle lanes are worth it or not, that isn't true and you know it.
Classic comment. Of course congestion isn't caused by cars is it, it's the road. I've heard it all now!!
That road was two lanes before and is two lanes now... So the difference is what exactly?
The road between The Drive and the Upper Drive was always two lanes. It has been reduced to one. Every morning this causes a queue of traffic from the Upper Drive lights back to the lights at The Drive and back towards Hove Park. This is because the road space for cars has been reduced and the traffic lights are badly phased. So in this instance the new cycle lanes have caused more congestion and pollution - I'm sure the local residents are over the moon !
Dealing with idiots
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9:57am Tue 16 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:Thought a definition of stupid might help to clafify the point for you Jason
Dealing with idiots wrote:That's pretty mild dyslexia, DWI, given that it affects symbols and spaces between words, rather than the words themselves. And, pray tell, why am I stupid?Cabin fever wrote:I apologise for my dyslexia but you can never apologise for your stupidity.Dealing with idiots wrote: £700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though.Is your username ironic, given that you don't know the difference between a full stop and a comma when posting monetary values? Or the fact that you can't spell 'anyone'? I think the new cycle lane along OSR is great, and every time I've been along that stretch of road, there have been cyclists using it. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good political rant, eh?
stu·pid (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.
6. Green Councillor
Fercri Sakes
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10:08am Tue 16 Oct 12
Plantpot
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10:43am Tue 16 Oct 12
Fercri Sakes wrote:The concept of the car, however it is powered, is here to stay. Of course, in 50 years time only rich people might have the freedom to go where and when they want. But there will still be plenty of them.
I bet in 50 year's time our grandchildren will look back at the Clarkson-lite pro-car comments on here and have a good chuckle.
Mr P Brown
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11:00am Tue 16 Oct 12
---------I don't use OSR much, about twice a week. I have never seen anybody using the cycle lanes, except once, when a van was using it to park. So I fail to see why it is being heralded for being a good ‘cycling’ initiative. As for the comment, about the road having been two lanes before, I can only assume the commentator is blind or at the least partially sighted. Yes parts of it were two lanes, but parts were 4 lane. It is now all a two lane traffic jam, with two empty cycle lanes which are filling up with leaves
StyleCop
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11:09am Tue 16 Oct 12
Plantpot wrote:we were promised jetpacks and meals in a pill - I'm still waiting.
Fercri Sakes wrote: I bet in 50 year's time our grandchildren will look back at the Clarkson-lite pro-car comments on here and have a good chuckle.The concept of the car, however it is powered, is here to stay. Of course, in 50 years time only rich people might have the freedom to go where and when they want. But there will still be plenty of them.
Cabin fever
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11:10am Tue 16 Oct 12
Dealing with idiots wrote:As you're into lists, I'll make it easier for you:
Cabin fever wrote:Thought a definition of stupid might help to clafify the point for you Jason
Dealing with idiots wrote:That's pretty mild dyslexia, DWI, given that it affects symbols and spaces between words, rather than the words themselves. And, pray tell, why am I stupid?Cabin fever wrote:I apologise for my dyslexia but you can never apologise for your stupidity.Dealing with idiots wrote: £700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though.Is your username ironic, given that you don't know the difference between a full stop and a comma when posting monetary values? Or the fact that you can't spell 'anyone'? I think the new cycle lane along OSR is great, and every time I've been along that stretch of road, there have been cyclists using it. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good political rant, eh?
stu·pid (stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.
6. Green Councillor
1. How does one 'clafify'? (I apologise if that's the old 'dyslexia' playing up again...)
2. I didn't ask for a definition of the word 'stupid', I asked for examples where you think I have been stupid.
3. My name is not Jason.
4. In light of the typos in your own posts, the second definition that you post seems quite apt for you.
Mark63
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11:25am Tue 16 Oct 12
Mark63
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11:29am Tue 16 Oct 12
guitarmanzz wrote:I'm with both of you on this... I wish these comments had a LIKE button!
Joshiman wrote:Couldnt have put it better myself Joshiman.Its scary what these loony greens are planning next...one lane of traffic on lewes road and the run into town on grand parade!! The cycle lanes are a joke in their cost and the drive/old shoreham road ones were a step to far (yes i cycle to work every day) and were unecessary and a total waste of our council tax. GREENS OUT as soon as poss...
Is Cycletopia a comic.?Cycle lanes have ruined Brighton.Hardly anyone uses them,preferring pavements/roads.As a car driver I am also aware of cyclists on the road and am always courteous to them.I just dont have an issue with cyclists.Its the Council.The Council have a shortfall in finances,which is about the same as the cost of this cycle lane.They want to increase Council tax in Brighton although the rest of the UK it will be frozen.Our roads are gridlocked,causing anger amongst car drivers,dangerous exhaust fumes,ridiculous traffic light sequences,favouring pedestrians.It doesnt happen on the continent.Everyone is treated the same.Pedestrians,cyc
lists,motorcyclists,
car drivers.Most of the time traffic moves smoothly.I know ,i have driven in Paris/Barcelona and in most European countries.We are the joke.The A259,/London rd/Lewes Rd soon.Preston Rd/The Viaduct in fact all rds in and out of Brighton are a disgrace.What must visitors think.
ps Has anyone spotted a cyclist on Grand avenue yet or better still has anyone ever seen more than one cycle using the cycle racks?
Dealing with idiots
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11:29am Tue 16 Oct 12
1. Hardly anyone uses the cycle lanes.
2. It was not a political rant, just another point of view based on experience.
3.You are stupid because you are incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view. Consequently I will continue to call you Jason, Jason.
Cabin fever
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12:00pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Dealing with idiots wrote:Ha ha - you're priceless, er, Quentin.
LOL Mr troll. Stick to the facts.
1. Hardly anyone uses the cycle lanes.
2. It was not a political rant, just another point of view based on experience.
3.You are stupid because you are incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view. Consequently I will continue to call you Jason, Jason.
You posted: "£700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though"
Where, in my response, was I ever "incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view"? You said not many people use them; I've seen them occupied every time I've been past. What's the problem?
Unless it is your comment about Jason Kitkat, and if so, I'd be interested to know how you would present your statement as 'fact'.
I love this "hardly anyone uses the cycle path, so they are a complete waste of money" argument. If there was even one life (or even the hospital treatment costs) saved because a cyclist was not hit by a car because it was on the cycle lane, not the road, then surely it would be worth it, no?
I don't understand why people get so precious about this, when there are massive drains on resources that are never challenged.
Fercri Sakes
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12:19pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:'Forcing behavior'? I can't quite see these cycle lanes being described as this. Perhaps 'offering safer alternatives to encourage cycle use' would be better.
Fercri Sakes, forcing behaviour change has proven to fail in more than 70 per cent of projects.
I cycle a 30 mile round trip daily and it it the topography of the city which is the killer of motivation to take up cycling.
I've lived next door to students for ten years and out of 40 of themonly two, super fit types have cycled the city, with all stating that the bus service is so much better than trying to get a bike uf Bear Road, Fiveways or Seven Dials.
It is also the dreadful one way systems in town, the lack of cycle racks in the city centre and the high likelihood of your bike being stolen or the wheel stamped on which puts others off.
I suppose you are a regular cyclists, just like Bill Randall and the Greens....NOT.
I have yet to hear that a single Green councillor cycles.
As you are one of them, perhaps you can correct this.
I'm sure some of the vitriol of drivers against cyclists is due to jealousy of the freedom cyclists have and their ability to avoid traffic jams around the city. Don't worry drivers, we're jealous of you too when we're about to cycle 15 miles into a headwind and all you just have to do is put your foot on an accelerator pedal.
And all that exercise makes us less likely to pipe up on here about schemes that don't benefit us personally but are better for the local community.
Fercri Sakes
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12:26pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:Wasn't the actual cost to the city's tax payers nearer £300K? Which is about half the price of a house in that area.
Dealing with idiots wrote:Ha ha - you're priceless, er, Quentin.
LOL Mr troll. Stick to the facts.
1. Hardly anyone uses the cycle lanes.
2. It was not a political rant, just another point of view based on experience.
3.You are stupid because you are incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view. Consequently I will continue to call you Jason, Jason.
You posted: "£700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though"
Where, in my response, was I ever "incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view"? You said not many people use them; I've seen them occupied every time I've been past. What's the problem?
Unless it is your comment about Jason Kitkat, and if so, I'd be interested to know how you would present your statement as 'fact'.
I love this "hardly anyone uses the cycle path, so they are a complete waste of money" argument. If there was even one life (or even the hospital treatment costs) saved because a cyclist was not hit by a car because it was on the cycle lane, not the road, then surely it would be worth it, no?
I don't understand why people get so precious about this, when there are massive drains on resources that are never challenged.
It's amazing that so many people are outraged that the council will spend the price of half a house to build a mile-long cycle lane that will make travelling to two schools much safer.
PJW Brighton
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4:59pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Fercri Sakes wrote:Clarity and Sanity... a rare thing in the Argus' comments section.
Cabin fever wrote:Wasn't the actual cost to the city's tax payers nearer £300K? Which is about half the price of a house in that area.
Dealing with idiots wrote:Ha ha - you're priceless, er, Quentin.
LOL Mr troll. Stick to the facts.
1. Hardly anyone uses the cycle lanes.
2. It was not a political rant, just another point of view based on experience.
3.You are stupid because you are incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view. Consequently I will continue to call you Jason, Jason.
You posted: "£700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though"
Where, in my response, was I ever "incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view"? You said not many people use them; I've seen them occupied every time I've been past. What's the problem?
Unless it is your comment about Jason Kitkat, and if so, I'd be interested to know how you would present your statement as 'fact'.
I love this "hardly anyone uses the cycle path, so they are a complete waste of money" argument. If there was even one life (or even the hospital treatment costs) saved because a cyclist was not hit by a car because it was on the cycle lane, not the road, then surely it would be worth it, no?
I don't understand why people get so precious about this, when there are massive drains on resources that are never challenged.
It's amazing that so many people are outraged that the council will spend the price of half a house to build a mile-long cycle lane that will make travelling to two schools much safer.
Cabin fever
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6:36pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Fercri Sakes wrote:Ssshhhh, it's a multi-million pound COMPLETE waste of money, which HARDLY anyone uses (making it NOT a complete waste of money) don't you know?
Cabin fever wrote:Wasn't the actual cost to the city's tax payers nearer £300K? Which is about half the price of a house in that area.
Dealing with idiots wrote:Ha ha - you're priceless, er, Quentin.
LOL Mr troll. Stick to the facts.
1. Hardly anyone uses the cycle lanes.
2. It was not a political rant, just another point of view based on experience.
3.You are stupid because you are incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view. Consequently I will continue to call you Jason, Jason.
You posted: "£700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though"
Where, in my response, was I ever "incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view"? You said not many people use them; I've seen them occupied every time I've been past. What's the problem?
Unless it is your comment about Jason Kitkat, and if so, I'd be interested to know how you would present your statement as 'fact'.
I love this "hardly anyone uses the cycle path, so they are a complete waste of money" argument. If there was even one life (or even the hospital treatment costs) saved because a cyclist was not hit by a car because it was on the cycle lane, not the road, then surely it would be worth it, no?
I don't understand why people get so precious about this, when there are massive drains on resources that are never challenged.
It's amazing that so many people are outraged that the council will spend the price of half a house to build a mile-long cycle lane that will make travelling to two schools much safer.
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
Cyril Bolleaux
says...
7:06pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Fercri Sakes wrote:Just to clarify a few of your misconceptions.
Cabin fever wrote:Wasn't the actual cost to the city's tax payers nearer £300K? Which is about half the price of a house in that area.
Dealing with idiots wrote:Ha ha - you're priceless, er, Quentin.
LOL Mr troll. Stick to the facts.
1. Hardly anyone uses the cycle lanes.
2. It was not a political rant, just another point of view based on experience.
3.You are stupid because you are incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view. Consequently I will continue to call you Jason, Jason.
You posted: "£700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though"
Where, in my response, was I ever "incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view"? You said not many people use them; I've seen them occupied every time I've been past. What's the problem?
Unless it is your comment about Jason Kitkat, and if so, I'd be interested to know how you would present your statement as 'fact'.
I love this "hardly anyone uses the cycle path, so they are a complete waste of money" argument. If there was even one life (or even the hospital treatment costs) saved because a cyclist was not hit by a car because it was on the cycle lane, not the road, then surely it would be worth it, no?
I don't understand why people get so precious about this, when there are massive drains on resources that are never challenged.
It's amazing that so many people are outraged that the council will spend the price of half a house to build a mile-long cycle lane that will make travelling to two schools much safer.
1. We are not anti cyclist - our protest is against the council which is anti motorist and has admitted as much.
2. We are outraged that £700,000 is wasted on a system that has benefited a small number of people but caused problems for thousands every day.
3. 95% of the £700k was from taxpayers either directly or indirectly.
4. The local community has not benefited but has had its quality of life made worse.
Fercri Sakes
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1:01am Wed 17 Oct 12
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Just to argue a couple of points.
Fercri Sakes wrote:Just to clarify a few of your misconceptions.
Cabin fever wrote:Wasn't the actual cost to the city's tax payers nearer £300K? Which is about half the price of a house in that area.
Dealing with idiots wrote:Ha ha - you're priceless, er, Quentin.
LOL Mr troll. Stick to the facts.
1. Hardly anyone uses the cycle lanes.
2. It was not a political rant, just another point of view based on experience.
3.You are stupid because you are incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view. Consequently I will continue to call you Jason, Jason.
You posted: "£700.000 for a white elephant. Hardly any one uses them. Just another Jason 'Stalin' Kitcat vanity project. Don't worry, they will soon be gone though"
Where, in my response, was I ever "incapable of accepting the validity of other points of view"? You said not many people use them; I've seen them occupied every time I've been past. What's the problem?
Unless it is your comment about Jason Kitkat, and if so, I'd be interested to know how you would present your statement as 'fact'.
I love this "hardly anyone uses the cycle path, so they are a complete waste of money" argument. If there was even one life (or even the hospital treatment costs) saved because a cyclist was not hit by a car because it was on the cycle lane, not the road, then surely it would be worth it, no?
I don't understand why people get so precious about this, when there are massive drains on resources that are never challenged.
It's amazing that so many people are outraged that the council will spend the price of half a house to build a mile-long cycle lane that will make travelling to two schools much safer.
1. We are not anti cyclist - our protest is against the council which is anti motorist and has admitted as much.
2. We are outraged that £700,000 is wasted on a system that has benefited a small number of people but caused problems for thousands every day.
3. 95% of the £700k was from taxpayers either directly or indirectly.
4. The local community has not benefited but has had its quality of life made worse.
1. I don't belive this cycle lane has caused problems for thousands of people every day. The real traffic bottle neck is at the bridge on New England Road, not on the perfectly wide enough part with the cycle lane. The traffic is just as bad around the Goldstone area and that doesn't have a cycle lane.
2. The local community has not had its quality of life made worse. In fact it has made it safer for them and their families to cycle along this stretch of road, something local people wouldn't have considered doing so often when they had four lanes of traffic outside their front doors.
brightonian57
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9:53am Wed 17 Oct 12
-------I very much doubt the fact that the local communities life has improved because they can now cycle between Dyke road and The Drive on a cycle lane, unless of course they have friends that live between the two roads. It's not as if they can now get to any shops or anything of use.
As for the traffic jams being caused by the New England Rd junction, and not the reduction of lanes. A lot of people, like me, now drive through the back roads, to avoid the possible congestion that narrowing any road from four to two lanes is going to cause. A friend that lives in Shirley Drive said they have noticed a huge increase of traffic since Old Shoreham road lost two lanes
Fercri Sakes
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10:42am Wed 17 Oct 12
brightonian57 wrote:1. That cycle lane now links up to national cycle route 82 (Seafront to The Downs) and then national cycle route 2 (coastal, 400 miles long). Local people's children can now cycle to the Seafront, Hove Park, Hove Rec free from the traffic. Plus other local kids can now cycle to two schools.
@Fercri Sakes says... The local community has not had its quality of life made worse. In fact it has made it safer for them and their families to cycle along this stretch of road, something local people wouldn't have considered doing so often when they had four lanes of traffic outside their front doors.----------.---
-------I very much doubt the fact that the local communities life has improved because they can now cycle between Dyke road and The Drive on a cycle lane, unless of course they have friends that live between the two roads. It's not as if they can now get to any shops or anything of use.
As for the traffic jams being caused by the New England Rd junction, and not the reduction of lanes. A lot of people, like me, now drive through the back roads, to avoid the possible congestion that narrowing any road from four to two lanes is going to cause. A friend that lives in Shirley Drive said they have noticed a huge increase of traffic since Old Shoreham road lost two lanes
2. Like I said, if you have bottlenecks at either end of those roads then narrowing the road will not have too much impact as all cars need to squeeze through those areas one at a time.
Barry Trotter
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12:04pm Wed 17 Oct 12
There's at least a lane going each way, which should be plenty.
How many lanes do drivers need? Would three be enough? Perhaps each way?
uniteagainstparkingcharges
says...
3:06pm Thu 18 Oct 12
SnowyBrighton wrote:^^Only person who knows what they are talking about. The rest is just anti-green propaganda and other assorted opinion presented as fact.
I love the comments section...it's my daily chuckle on the commute to work.
When The Argus prints stories like these, 90% of the time they forget to mention where the funding came from.
Everyone's right when they say that the council can't afford these schemes and that is why they actually use very little of Council Tax Payers money.
Brighton is one of a few places in the country that seek out funding streams, bid/apply and actually win...a lot!
The OSR cycle path was funded by money from the European Union/Comission as was Grand Avenue and any other cycling iniative since 2009. This isn't a Green thing, it started under the conservatives and the Greens have just been the administration in power.
Likewise, it was whilst under the conservative council that council officials bid for the Lewes Road area funding. All the plans for the money were written by council officials again whilst working for the conservative administration.
Just think, if you hate the idea of paying money to the EU, then just think that we are getting some of it back. For those of you worried about spending, again, think, it's not council tax income paying for it.
For reference, the OSR scheme was part of CIVITAS (google it) and the Lewes Road scheme funding is funding from DfT (Local Sustainable Transport Fund)...google these and you'll see it's not the Green administration.
Cabin fever
says...
4:47pm Thu 18 Oct 12
uniteagainstparkingcIn your opinion...!
harges wrote:
SnowyBrighton wrote:^^Only person who knows what they are talking about. The rest is just anti-green propaganda and other assorted opinion presented as fact.
I love the comments section...it's my daily chuckle on the commute to work.
When The Argus prints stories like these, 90% of the time they forget to mention where the funding came from.
Everyone's right when they say that the council can't afford these schemes and that is why they actually use very little of Council Tax Payers money.
Brighton is one of a few places in the country that seek out funding streams, bid/apply and actually win...a lot!
The OSR cycle path was funded by money from the European Union/Comission as was Grand Avenue and any other cycling iniative since 2009. This isn't a Green thing, it started under the conservatives and the Greens have just been the administration in power.
Likewise, it was whilst under the conservative council that council officials bid for the Lewes Road area funding. All the plans for the money were written by council officials again whilst working for the conservative administration.
Just think, if you hate the idea of paying money to the EU, then just think that we are getting some of it back. For those of you worried about spending, again, think, it's not council tax income paying for it.
For reference, the OSR scheme was part of CIVITAS (google it) and the Lewes Road scheme funding is funding from DfT (Local Sustainable Transport Fund)...google these and you'll see it's not the Green administration.
Bit disappointed the anti-greens (for the record, I have no leaning towards ANY party) and anti-cyclepath people didn't come back with their statistics of exactly how many people use the cycle path.
And how that makes it a 'complete' waste of money.
Kate234
says...
7:40pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Cabin fever
says...
8:16pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
mictrix
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10:48pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:yes your right,why do the council want to make the motorists life so uncomfortable and difficult? especially as they make so much money out of them.i mean seriously what would they do without them.
BobFord wrote:We were informed the cycle lanes were needed so young people would cycle to school/college - they don't. We all know the open agenda of the council is to make life unpleasant for motorists. I prefer the old days when councils worked for the benefit of residents rather than doctrinaire pie in the sky.
So Cyril, 'barely any young people' is the definition for the success or failure of the scheme. Being in my 50's I doubt you would consider me young so a good reason not to have the scheme. Maybe the idea is to convince people to use bikes rather than cars - a hidden agenda maybe?????
mictrix
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10:51pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Cabin fever
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6:09am Fri 19 Oct 12
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
Man from Uncle
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12:53pm Fri 19 Oct 12
Waste of money, in my view everyone, and by that I mean cars and cycles need to slow down and just be a little more careful.
Cyril Bolleaux
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2:16pm Fri 19 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say. Try going to the junction of the OSM and Shirley Drive at 8:45 AM on Monday morning and you will see gridlock. The council should try and make peoples lives easier not more difficult.
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
Perseus
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3:17pm Fri 19 Oct 12
For safety, cyclists and motor vehicle have to be separated,
Cabin fever
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4:34pm Fri 19 Oct 12
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:"We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say."
Cabin fever wrote:We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say. Try going to the junction of the OSM and Shirley Drive at 8:45 AM on Monday morning and you will see gridlock. The council should try and make peoples lives easier not more difficult.
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
You'll realise the fantastic irony of this statement, I presume?
And people like me? Character assassination, or what? Go on then, describe me. You already know where I live, by all accounts, so just fill in the blanks.
I have been along that part of town at that time (assuming you mean Old Shoreham ROAD (OSR, not OSM)) and what I've seen I would never describe as gridlock.
Gridlock is the M25 clockwise between Junction 8 and 13 on any given morning; or tailbacks caused by an accident; or the build-up of cars from temporary traffic lights. I'm willing to bet what you've experienced it not *quite* that bad?
And if it is that unbearable, I'd be interested to know how it has been made so bad, given that half of the cycle path was single carriageway (as it is now) prior to the changes...
Cyril Bolleaux
says...
7:07pm Fri 19 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:Sure, I'll describe you:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:"We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say."
Cabin fever wrote:We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say. Try going to the junction of the OSM and Shirley Drive at 8:45 AM on Monday morning and you will see gridlock. The council should try and make peoples lives easier not more difficult.
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
You'll realise the fantastic irony of this statement, I presume?
And people like me? Character assassination, or what? Go on then, describe me. You already know where I live, by all accounts, so just fill in the blanks.
I have been along that part of town at that time (assuming you mean Old Shoreham ROAD (OSR, not OSM)) and what I've seen I would never describe as gridlock.
Gridlock is the M25 clockwise between Junction 8 and 13 on any given morning; or tailbacks caused by an accident; or the build-up of cars from temporary traffic lights. I'm willing to bet what you've experienced it not *quite* that bad?
And if it is that unbearable, I'd be interested to know how it has been made so bad, given that half of the cycle path was single carriageway (as it is now) prior to the changes...
Someone who make snide, smug comments about everyone; whose idea of debate is to deliberately distort other peoples views. A small minded pedant who picks up every little typo. You are so keen to drip poison you even sneer at people who agree with you. Is that about right?
Cabin fever
says...
8:25pm Fri 19 Oct 12
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Ha ha! No, not really.
Cabin fever wrote:Sure, I'll describe you:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:"We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say."
Cabin fever wrote:We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say. Try going to the junction of the OSM and Shirley Drive at 8:45 AM on Monday morning and you will see gridlock. The council should try and make peoples lives easier not more difficult.
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
You'll realise the fantastic irony of this statement, I presume?
And people like me? Character assassination, or what? Go on then, describe me. You already know where I live, by all accounts, so just fill in the blanks.
I have been along that part of town at that time (assuming you mean Old Shoreham ROAD (OSR, not OSM)) and what I've seen I would never describe as gridlock.
Gridlock is the M25 clockwise between Junction 8 and 13 on any given morning; or tailbacks caused by an accident; or the build-up of cars from temporary traffic lights. I'm willing to bet what you've experienced it not *quite* that bad?
And if it is that unbearable, I'd be interested to know how it has been made so bad, given that half of the cycle path was single carriageway (as it is now) prior to the changes...
Someone who make snide, smug comments about everyone; whose idea of debate is to deliberately distort other peoples views. A small minded pedant who picks up every little typo. You are so keen to drip poison you even sneer at people who agree with you. Is that about right?
Where do I distort other people's views? I may question the use of the word 'complete' when people say how much of a waste of money the cycle lane is, and 'gridlock', but to me those descriptions are OTT.
Actually you've done it your post where you state I make snide, smug comments about 'everyone'. I think you'll find that it's not everyone, dear.
Sneering at people that agree with me? Go on....
Oh, I don't spot EVERY typo, but it's *makeS* snide comments... LOL.
Anyway, must get back to dripping poison. There's nothing I like more on a Friday evening!
mictrix
says...
9:51am Sun 21 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:dripping poison? lol i think you just need to come up for air and maybe get a life.to be honest it is a complete waste of time and taxpayers money.everyone knows it even the council
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Ha ha! No, not really.
Cabin fever wrote:Sure, I'll describe you:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:"We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say."
Cabin fever wrote:We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say. Try going to the junction of the OSM and Shirley Drive at 8:45 AM on Monday morning and you will see gridlock. The council should try and make peoples lives easier not more difficult.
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
You'll realise the fantastic irony of this statement, I presume?
And people like me? Character assassination, or what? Go on then, describe me. You already know where I live, by all accounts, so just fill in the blanks.
I have been along that part of town at that time (assuming you mean Old Shoreham ROAD (OSR, not OSM)) and what I've seen I would never describe as gridlock.
Gridlock is the M25 clockwise between Junction 8 and 13 on any given morning; or tailbacks caused by an accident; or the build-up of cars from temporary traffic lights. I'm willing to bet what you've experienced it not *quite* that bad?
And if it is that unbearable, I'd be interested to know how it has been made so bad, given that half of the cycle path was single carriageway (as it is now) prior to the changes...
Someone who make snide, smug comments about everyone; whose idea of debate is to deliberately distort other peoples views. A small minded pedant who picks up every little typo. You are so keen to drip poison you even sneer at people who agree with you. Is that about right?
Where do I distort other people's views? I may question the use of the word 'complete' when people say how much of a waste of money the cycle lane is, and 'gridlock', but to me those descriptions are OTT.
Actually you've done it your post where you state I make snide, smug comments about 'everyone'. I think you'll find that it's not everyone, dear.
Sneering at people that agree with me? Go on....
Oh, I don't spot EVERY typo, but it's *makeS* snide comments... LOL.
Anyway, must get back to dripping poison. There's nothing I like more on a Friday evening!
Cabin fever
says...
8:04pm Sun 21 Oct 12
mictrix wrote:Er, I think you need to read the comment I quoted, for reference to poison. No, I didn't get it either.
Cabin fever wrote:dripping poison? lol i think you just need to come up for air and maybe get a life.to be honest it is a complete waste of time and taxpayers money.everyone knows it even the council
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Ha ha! No, not really.
Cabin fever wrote:Sure, I'll describe you:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:"We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say."
Cabin fever wrote:We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say. Try going to the junction of the OSM and Shirley Drive at 8:45 AM on Monday morning and you will see gridlock. The council should try and make peoples lives easier not more difficult.
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
You'll realise the fantastic irony of this statement, I presume?
And people like me? Character assassination, or what? Go on then, describe me. You already know where I live, by all accounts, so just fill in the blanks.
I have been along that part of town at that time (assuming you mean Old Shoreham ROAD (OSR, not OSM)) and what I've seen I would never describe as gridlock.
Gridlock is the M25 clockwise between Junction 8 and 13 on any given morning; or tailbacks caused by an accident; or the build-up of cars from temporary traffic lights. I'm willing to bet what you've experienced it not *quite* that bad?
And if it is that unbearable, I'd be interested to know how it has been made so bad, given that half of the cycle path was single carriageway (as it is now) prior to the changes...
Someone who make snide, smug comments about everyone; whose idea of debate is to deliberately distort other peoples views. A small minded pedant who picks up every little typo. You are so keen to drip poison you even sneer at people who agree with you. Is that about right?
Where do I distort other people's views? I may question the use of the word 'complete' when people say how much of a waste of money the cycle lane is, and 'gridlock', but to me those descriptions are OTT.
Actually you've done it your post where you state I make snide, smug comments about 'everyone'. I think you'll find that it's not everyone, dear.
Sneering at people that agree with me? Go on....
Oh, I don't spot EVERY typo, but it's *makeS* snide comments... LOL.
Anyway, must get back to dripping poison. There's nothing I like more on a Friday evening!
Anyway, back to this 'complete' waste of money that many people are making use of. Do you fancy explaining that yet?
Enjoy your, ahem, gridlock, tomorrow morning.
Cyril Bolleaux
says...
10:28pm Sun 21 Oct 12
Cabin fever wrote:I understand that the council are so busy causing gridlock and completely wasting our money that they have a vacancy for an Assistant Complete Idiot to help design cycle lanes. Why don't you apply? After all you are have all the qualities required.
mictrix wrote:Er, I think you need to read the comment I quoted, for reference to poison. No, I didn't get it either.
Cabin fever wrote:dripping poison? lol i think you just need to come up for air and maybe get a life.to be honest it is a complete waste of time and taxpayers money.everyone knows it even the council
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Ha ha! No, not really.
Cabin fever wrote:Sure, I'll describe you:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:"We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say."
Cabin fever wrote:We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say. Try going to the junction of the OSM and Shirley Drive at 8:45 AM on Monday morning and you will see gridlock. The council should try and make peoples lives easier not more difficult.
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
You'll realise the fantastic irony of this statement, I presume?
And people like me? Character assassination, or what? Go on then, describe me. You already know where I live, by all accounts, so just fill in the blanks.
I have been along that part of town at that time (assuming you mean Old Shoreham ROAD (OSR, not OSM)) and what I've seen I would never describe as gridlock.
Gridlock is the M25 clockwise between Junction 8 and 13 on any given morning; or tailbacks caused by an accident; or the build-up of cars from temporary traffic lights. I'm willing to bet what you've experienced it not *quite* that bad?
And if it is that unbearable, I'd be interested to know how it has been made so bad, given that half of the cycle path was single carriageway (as it is now) prior to the changes...
Someone who make snide, smug comments about everyone; whose idea of debate is to deliberately distort other peoples views. A small minded pedant who picks up every little typo. You are so keen to drip poison you even sneer at people who agree with you. Is that about right?
Where do I distort other people's views? I may question the use of the word 'complete' when people say how much of a waste of money the cycle lane is, and 'gridlock', but to me those descriptions are OTT.
Actually you've done it your post where you state I make snide, smug comments about 'everyone'. I think you'll find that it's not everyone, dear.
Sneering at people that agree with me? Go on....
Oh, I don't spot EVERY typo, but it's *makeS* snide comments... LOL.
Anyway, must get back to dripping poison. There's nothing I like more on a Friday evening!
Anyway, back to this 'complete' waste of money that many people are making use of. Do you fancy explaining that yet?
Enjoy your, ahem, gridlock, tomorrow morning.
newdeal
says...
10:41pm Sun 21 Oct 12
When I cycle I like to feel safe and the problem with Brighton is that the cycle lanes have a habit of ending at the most dangerous points.
Sticking a cycle lane on a small length of the Old Shoreham Road seems such a waste of time and money as the dangerous bits are still just as bad as ever.
I would say a priority is to create a cycle path that goes from pier to the old Steine, maybe on the pavement, maybe through the Pavilion Gardens.
Perhaps it could be shared with pedestrians. Other places seem to manage it...
Cabin fever
says...
5:53am Mon 22 Oct 12
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Ha ha. Great response. Really add a lot to the debate. Thanks for popping in.
Cabin fever wrote:I understand that the council are so busy causing gridlock and completely wasting our money that they have a vacancy for an Assistant Complete Idiot to help design cycle lanes. Why don't you apply? After all you are have all the qualities required.
mictrix wrote:Er, I think you need to read the comment I quoted, for reference to poison. No, I didn't get it either.
Cabin fever wrote:dripping poison? lol i think you just need to come up for air and maybe get a life.to be honest it is a complete waste of time and taxpayers money.everyone knows it even the council
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Ha ha! No, not really.
Cabin fever wrote:Sure, I'll describe you:
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:"We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say."
Cabin fever wrote:We live in this area and we don't need people like you telling us what we are allowed to say. Try going to the junction of the OSM and Shirley Drive at 8:45 AM on Monday morning and you will see gridlock. The council should try and make peoples lives easier not more difficult.
mictrix wrote:Ah, I understand now. I didn't realise something could be a COMPLETE waste of money even though it is used.
Cabin fever wrote:no its true its a complete waste of all the taxpayers money... total disgrace
Kate234 wrote:A complete waste? When people use it?
Cyril Bolleaux wrote:Well said. This lane is a disgrace at a time of public cuts it is a complete waste of 'our' money.
The route has also created motoring gridlock every morning. I have trouble getting out of my house. Thousands of people are inconvenienced every day and barely any young people use the cycle lane. Public money is being wasted on this nonsense whilst vital services are cut.
Motoring gridlock my ar$e...
Silly me.
No exaggeration around here, then cough **gridlock** cough...
You'll realise the fantastic irony of this statement, I presume?
And people like me? Character assassination, or what? Go on then, describe me. You already know where I live, by all accounts, so just fill in the blanks.
I have been along that part of town at that time (assuming you mean Old Shoreham ROAD (OSR, not OSM)) and what I've seen I would never describe as gridlock.
Gridlock is the M25 clockwise between Junction 8 and 13 on any given morning; or tailbacks caused by an accident; or the build-up of cars from temporary traffic lights. I'm willing to bet what you've experienced it not *quite* that bad?
And if it is that unbearable, I'd be interested to know how it has been made so bad, given that half of the cycle path was single carriageway (as it is now) prior to the changes...
Someone who make snide, smug comments about everyone; whose idea of debate is to deliberately distort other peoples views. A small minded pedant who picks up every little typo. You are so keen to drip poison you even sneer at people who agree with you. Is that about right?
Where do I distort other people's views? I may question the use of the word 'complete' when people say how much of a waste of money the cycle lane is, and 'gridlock', but to me those descriptions are OTT.
Actually you've done it your post where you state I make snide, smug comments about 'everyone'. I think you'll find that it's not everyone, dear.
Sneering at people that agree with me? Go on....
Oh, I don't spot EVERY typo, but it's *makeS* snide comments... LOL.
Anyway, must get back to dripping poison. There's nothing I like more on a Friday evening!
Anyway, back to this 'complete' waste of money that many people are making use of. Do you fancy explaining that yet?
Enjoy your, ahem, gridlock, tomorrow morning.
In return, I've also seen there is a a job for you: complete understudy, National Trust.
Good luck!
Crystal Ball says...
4:41pm Mon 15 Oct 12
I wonder why?