Brighton Dome cuts short Israeli dance visit for security reasons

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Security at the Brighton Dome is to be beefed up for the arrival of a controversial Israeli dance group.

Bosses contacted ticket holders yesterday to inform them that one of the two Batsheva Ensembles performances in November is to be cancelled in an attempt to concentrate security resources.

The move comes after the Don’t Dance With Israel Apartheid group called on members to “link up” and disrupt the Brighton performance.

In a statement on its website, the group claims the ensemble is part of the Israeli government’s “Brand Israel” initiative which it says sees cultural groups promoted to help whitewash the country’s human rights abuses.

It adds: “Batsheva’s explicit ties with the state of Israel make it impossible to describe the group as apolitical. This is why we will be protesting against Batsheva.”

The group, which is made up of a number of pro-Palestine organisations, is also calling on supporters to write letters to venues urging them to cancel performances as well as producing leaflets, banners and posters.

The dance company, set up in Tel Aviv in 1964, often attracts trouble when it tours.

In August this year, protestors burnt tickets and chanted outside a performance at the Edinburgh Festival.

However Dome bosses have defended their decision to book the group. Chief executive Andrew Comben said: “Freedom of expression is fundamental in the arts and Brighton Dome and Festival exists so that ideas of all varieties can be expressed and explored.

“We support the right to protest and encourage debate but we welcome artists from all over the world and will continue to do so.

“However, we have a duty to ensure that our audiences have a safe and enjoyable experience and are disappointed that their enjoyment of this company’s work may be disturbed.”

Following extensive talks with Sussex Police and the ensemble, the Dome decided a “higher level of security” would be appropriate .

A spokeswoman added that everybody who had bought tickets for the cancelled Saturday November 10 show would have a seat for the November 9 performance.

In May members of Brighton and Hove Palestine Solidarity Campaign snuck into the Dome’s Corn Exchange to disrupt a performance by Israeli group The Jerusalem Quartet.

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2:21pm Wed 17 Oct 12

sbiscorrupt says...

Maybe the dance troop ought to hold an impromptu gig outside the Ecostream store...

I'm sure the Israeli embassy would instruct sussex police how to deal with any possible protests....
Maybe the dance troop ought to hold an impromptu gig outside the Ecostream store... I'm sure the Israeli embassy would instruct sussex police how to deal with any possible protests.... sbiscorrupt
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3:58pm Wed 17 Oct 12

ruberducker says...

posting removed by the argus gestapo
posting removed by the argus gestapo ruberducker
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4:56pm Wed 17 Oct 12

gaz scott says...

Sounds to me like the ticket sales weren't too good.
Sounds to me like the ticket sales weren't too good. gaz scott
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4:56pm Wed 17 Oct 12

ruberducker says...

i will try to be tactfull,but it probaly will not work,
if 24 hr cctv can be provided at a location for non tax payers near a park near lewes rd,and the show at the dome is about different communities,why not kill two birds with one stone,leaving the centre of brighton free of protesters.
i will try to be tactfull,but it probaly will not work, if 24 hr cctv can be provided at a location for non tax payers near a park near lewes rd,and the show at the dome is about different communities,why not kill two birds with one stone,leaving the centre of brighton free of protesters. ruberducker
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5:06pm Wed 17 Oct 12

harvela says...

Venues need to face up to their responsibilities and press charges on the grounds of aggravated trespass instead of just ejecting them .
Much as these miscreants would like their day in court , a resulting criminal sentence and record would have a detrimental effect for those with jobs or seeking employment .
Venues need to face up to their responsibilities and press charges on the grounds of aggravated trespass instead of just ejecting them . Much as these miscreants would like their day in court , a resulting criminal sentence and record would have a detrimental effect for those with jobs or seeking employment . harvela
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5:29pm Wed 17 Oct 12

stopthebds says...

Voltaire once wrote "Let us read and let us dance; these two amusements will never do any harm to the world" Perhaps the people who have conspired to cancel one of these shows, should read this and try and use what little intelligence they have to understand it
Voltaire once wrote "Let us read and let us dance; these two amusements will never do any harm to the world" Perhaps the people who have conspired to cancel one of these shows, should read this and try and use what little intelligence they have to understand it stopthebds
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6:19pm Wed 17 Oct 12

Goyboy says...

Ok...so for reasons of security, poor ticket sales and the pressure of pro-Palestinian groups one of Batsheva's performances has been cancelled...but lets go to the Friday night one, give them the warmest of welcomes and our full support.

I am glad the performance manager and other staff at the Dome believe in freedom of expression and have not cancelled both performances but consolidated it into one and I am glad there will be extra security to deal with any disturbances that are possibly being planned even now...should be quite a show.

Shalom BatSheva...kol HaKavod.
Ok...so for reasons of security, poor ticket sales and the pressure of pro-Palestinian groups one of Batsheva's performances has been cancelled...but lets go to the Friday night one, give them the warmest of welcomes and our full support. I am glad the performance manager and other staff at the Dome believe in freedom of expression and have not cancelled both performances but consolidated it into one and I am glad there will be extra security to deal with any disturbances that are possibly being planned even now...should be quite a show. Shalom BatSheva...kol HaKavod. Goyboy
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6:57pm Wed 17 Oct 12

spencer1973 says...

I am told Islam is a praceful and tolerant religion....there dhould be no problems.
I am told Islam is a praceful and tolerant religion....there dhould be no problems. spencer1973
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11:19am Thu 18 Oct 12

Whitehawkian says...

A modern, Orthodox, Jewish couple, preparing for a religious wedding, meets with their rabbi for counseling.

The rabbi asks if they have any last questions before they leave.

The man asks, "Rabbi, we realize
it's tradition for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women at the reception. But, we'd like your permission to dance together."

"Absolutely not," says the rabbi. "It's immodest.Men and women always dance separately."

''So after the ceremony I can't even dance with my own wife?"

"No," answered the rabbi. "It's forbidden."

"Well, okay," says the man, "what about sex?

Can we finally have sex?"

"Of course!" replies the rabbi. "Sex is a mitzvah (good thing) within marriage, to have children!"

"What about different positions?" asks the man.

"No problem," says the rabbi. "It's a mitzvah!"

"Woman on top?" the man asks.
"Sure," says the rabbi. "Go for it! It's a mitzvah!"

"Behind ..you know..doggi style?"

"Sure! Another mitzvah!"

"On the kitchen table?"

"Yes, yes! A mitzvah!"

"Can we do it on rubber sheets with a bottle of hot oil, a couple of vibrators, a leather harness, a bucket of honey and a **** video?"

"You may indeed. It's all a mitzvah!"

"Can we do it standing up?"

"No." says the rabbi."ABSOLUTELY NOT!"

"Why not?" asks the man.

The Rabbi paused and said.......

"It could lead to dancing!"
A modern, Orthodox, Jewish couple, preparing for a religious wedding, meets with their rabbi for counseling. The rabbi asks if they have any last questions before they leave. The man asks, "Rabbi, we realize it's tradition for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women at the reception. But, we'd like your permission to dance together." "Absolutely not," says the rabbi. "It's immodest.Men and women always dance separately." ''So after the ceremony I can't even dance with my own wife?" "No," answered the rabbi. "It's forbidden." "Well, okay," says the man, "what about sex? Can we finally have sex?" "Of course!" replies the rabbi. "Sex is a mitzvah (good thing) within marriage, to have children!" "What about different positions?" asks the man. "No problem," says the rabbi. "It's a mitzvah!" "Woman on top?" the man asks. "Sure," says the rabbi. "Go for it! It's a mitzvah!" "Behind ..you know..doggi style?" "Sure! Another mitzvah!" "On the kitchen table?" "Yes, yes! A mitzvah!" "Can we do it on rubber sheets with a bottle of hot oil, a couple of vibrators, a leather harness, a bucket of honey and a **** video?" "You may indeed. It's all a mitzvah!" "Can we do it standing up?" "No." says the rabbi."ABSOLUTELY NOT!" "Why not?" asks the man. The Rabbi paused and said....... "It could lead to dancing!" Whitehawkian
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2:56pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Tommo2 says...

There is nothing 'controversial' about the Batsheva dance group. What is controversial is how the protesters link them to Israeli politics over which the dancers have no control.

Apartheid in Israel has been found to be non-existent unlike the abuses of power and discrimination against individuals regularly reported from the Palestinian paradise of the terrorist Hamas government. Pro-Palestinian yobs will continue with their lies and propaganda because that is now their way of life, and because they don't have a job between them, they would be lost without it.

To prevent a rerun of the shameful protest inside the Dome venue staged by the same riffraff for the Jerusalem Quartet concert, we are asking the police to make a stand and arrest protesters for what are clearly public order offences.
There is nothing 'controversial' about the Batsheva dance group. What is controversial is how the protesters link them to Israeli politics over which the dancers have no control. Apartheid in Israel has been found to be non-existent unlike the abuses of power and discrimination against individuals regularly reported from the Palestinian paradise of the terrorist Hamas government. Pro-Palestinian yobs will continue with their lies and propaganda because that is now their way of life, and because they don't have a job between them, they would be lost without it. To prevent a rerun of the shameful protest inside the Dome venue staged by the same riffraff for the Jerusalem Quartet concert, we are asking the police to make a stand and arrest protesters for what are clearly public order offences. Tommo2
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11:46pm Thu 18 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

What an excellent result, even before the fun has started.

Of course there will always be those like goyboy (sounds a bit like the anti-Semitic 'Jewboy') who are displeased.

But these are the same people who not so long ago would have welcomed Wilhelm Furtwangler, the famous German conductor and the Berlin Symphony Orchestra.

All in the name of 'freedom of expression' of course, though later we found out both had been subsidised secretly by the Nazis.

Batsheva, which plays in the Israeli settlements is openly subsidised by the Israeli state.

They are the cultural ambassadors of the same state which has imprisoned, smashed up and closed down the Freedom Theatre in Jenin, whose artistic director Juliano Khamis was murdered last year. Juliano was half Jewish, half Palestinian so he attracted bigots on both sides, the goy boys and their Zionist compatriots.

Those of us who cut our teeth on the Boycott of Apartheid Sport in South Africa are used to the same arguments. Freedom of expression for the whites and bullets in the back for any other form of expression.

So yes harvela and co. would probably have gone to see the BPO, failing to see that such 'culture' was part of the support system of the state they came from.

I suspect Voltaire would have demanded freedom for all not freedom for just the rich and powerful.
What an excellent result, even before the fun has started. Of course there will always be those like goyboy (sounds a bit like the anti-Semitic 'Jewboy') who are displeased. But these are the same people who not so long ago would have welcomed Wilhelm Furtwangler, the famous German conductor and the Berlin Symphony Orchestra. All in the name of 'freedom of expression' of course, though later we found out both had been subsidised secretly by the Nazis. Batsheva, which plays in the Israeli settlements is openly subsidised by the Israeli state. They are the cultural ambassadors of the same state which has imprisoned, smashed up and closed down the Freedom Theatre in Jenin, whose artistic director Juliano Khamis was murdered last year. Juliano was half Jewish, half Palestinian so he attracted bigots on both sides, the goy boys and their Zionist compatriots. Those of us who cut our teeth on the Boycott of Apartheid Sport in South Africa are used to the same arguments. Freedom of expression for the whites and bullets in the back for any other form of expression. So yes harvela and co. would probably have gone to see the BPO, failing to see that such 'culture' was part of the support system of the state they came from. I suspect Voltaire would have demanded freedom for all not freedom for just the rich and powerful. tonygreenstein
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8:31am Fri 19 Oct 12

Tommo2 says...

Greenstein's comments are laughable coming as it does from a Jew. When are his followers going to wake up to this charlatan?
Greenstein's comments are laughable coming as it does from a Jew. When are his followers going to wake up to this charlatan? Tommo2
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9:45am Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

He admits to having no connection to Judaism, except when it can be used to whitewash claims of antisemitism within the PSC .
Greenie fools no one with this horse manure .
According to Norman Finklestein , a one time poster boy for the BDS , who could do no wrong when interviewed by the hapless Frank Borat or should that be Spencer , stated that the BDS is nothing but a cult with no political traction and no critical mass to make a difference .
Greenstein , you are a middle aged man behaving like a spoilt child . When will you grow up?
He admits to having no connection to Judaism, except when it can be used to whitewash claims of antisemitism within the PSC . Greenie fools no one with this horse manure . According to Norman Finklestein , a one time poster boy for the BDS , who could do no wrong when interviewed by the hapless Frank Borat or should that be Spencer , stated that the BDS is nothing but a cult with no political traction and no critical mass to make a difference . Greenstein , you are a middle aged man behaving like a spoilt child . When will you grow up? harvela
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11:46am Fri 19 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I see the hypocrites and liars are out in force. Palestine Solidarity Campaign didn't expel its 'head' it expelled a former Chair who no longer had any position! And I moved the expulsion!

Let us see some of these vapid Zionists say something about Rabbi Dov Lior Chair of the Rabbinical Settlers Council of Yesha who wrote that 'a Jewish fingernail is worth a thousand Palestinian lives' or Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu who banned the renting of flats and houses to Arabs in Safed or Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira who co-wrote Torat HaMelech which justifies the murder of Arab children and infants.

Yes being Jewish to me means being opposed to this Nazi style vile racism.

And that is without legislation which gives lower benefits to Arabs than Jews because they haven't served in the army in order to encourage more Jews to be born and less Arabs or banning Arabs from marrying other Arabs without leaving the state.

Why should I have the right to go to Israel and claim citizenship whilst Palestinians friends before then cannot?

You Zionists are just a reflection of the racism the Nazis took as their gospel and you don't like someone Jewish who stands in the tradition of Jewish anti-racism. Harvela and Tommo you are just apologists for discrimination and racism and in calling yourself Jewish you trample over the memory of the millions of Jews who died in the holocaust, most of whom were of course anti-Zionist.
I see the hypocrites and liars are out in force. Palestine Solidarity Campaign didn't expel its 'head' it expelled a former Chair who no longer had any position! And I moved the expulsion! Let us see some of these vapid Zionists say something about Rabbi Dov Lior Chair of the Rabbinical Settlers Council of Yesha who wrote that 'a Jewish fingernail is worth a thousand Palestinian lives' or Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu who banned the renting of flats and houses to Arabs in Safed or Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira who co-wrote Torat HaMelech which justifies the murder of Arab children and infants. Yes being Jewish to me means being opposed to this Nazi style vile racism. And that is without legislation which gives lower benefits to Arabs than Jews because they haven't served in the army in order to encourage more Jews to be born and less Arabs or banning Arabs from marrying other Arabs without leaving the state. Why should I have the right to go to Israel and claim citizenship whilst Palestinians friends before then cannot? You Zionists are just a reflection of the racism the Nazis took as their gospel and you don't like someone Jewish who stands in the tradition of Jewish anti-racism. Harvela and Tommo you are just apologists for discrimination and racism and in calling yourself Jewish you trample over the memory of the millions of Jews who died in the holocaust, most of whom were of course anti-Zionist. tonygreenstein
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11:49am Fri 19 Oct 12

Goyboy says...

Tony old fruit,

Always with the smears and trying to put words into the mouths and minds of others...

For the record, I am not displeased about the way things have turned out regarding BatSheva...its just one of those things, at least they still get to perform, but I am disappointed that some in the Jewish community will now not be able to attend because of Shabbos.


Juliano predicted his own death, but not at the hands of Israelis...I think people who think for themselves can work out just who the bigots really are without unsolicited aid that effectively seeks to impose your misconceptions on a largely uninformed public and I presume furthers your kudos amongst a gaggle of gullible groupies.

So what if BatSheva are subsidised by the Israeli government as part of their cultural ambassador program...I suppose you believe
Israel has to have ticked all the boxes in compliance to your demands before they can dare send over cultural representatives...bu
t of
Course to you Israel is a racist, apartheid State and nothing she does will satisfy until they fall on their collective swords by acquiescing
to all your ever so reasonable human rights demands...ooops perhaps I’m now putting words into people’s mouths...apologies.

I’m glad to say the rhetoric comparing Israel to the apartheid in South Africa doesn’t wash with everyone, and hopefully over these next months/years, people in Brighton and Hove will wake up to the fact that some minority groups that have been a local pain in the rear for far too long do not have answers that help and are constructive, but only bullying demands that actually facilitate the demands of terror groups against Israel.

Shalom....
Tony old fruit, Always with the smears and trying to put words into the mouths and minds of others... For the record, I am not displeased about the way things have turned out regarding BatSheva...its just one of those things, at least they still get to perform, but I am disappointed that some in the Jewish community will now not be able to attend because of Shabbos. Juliano predicted his own death, but not at the hands of Israelis...I think people who think for themselves can work out just who the bigots really are without unsolicited aid that effectively seeks to impose your misconceptions on a largely uninformed public and I presume furthers your kudos amongst a gaggle of gullible groupies. So what if BatSheva are subsidised by the Israeli government as part of their cultural ambassador program...I suppose you believe Israel has to have ticked all the boxes in compliance to your demands before they can dare send over cultural representatives...bu t of Course to you Israel is a racist, apartheid State and nothing she does will satisfy until they fall on their collective swords by acquiescing to all your ever so reasonable human rights demands...ooops perhaps I’m now putting words into people’s mouths...apologies. I’m glad to say the rhetoric comparing Israel to the apartheid in South Africa doesn’t wash with everyone, and hopefully over these next months/years, people in Brighton and Hove will wake up to the fact that some minority groups that have been a local pain in the rear for far too long do not have answers that help and are constructive, but only bullying demands that actually facilitate the demands of terror groups against Israel. Shalom.... Goyboy
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11:49am Fri 19 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

And it even more noticeable that our Zionist contributors, without fail, attack the messenger because they are unable to say anything about the message.

Shows just why they are losing the war for public opinion.
And it even more noticeable that our Zionist contributors, without fail, attack the messenger because they are unable to say anything about the message. Shows just why they are losing the war for public opinion. tonygreenstein
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1:08pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

Greenstein
Your wretched organisation comprising of the far left , anarchists ,anti capitalists and other associated misfits only compound the mistakes and outright corruption of the Palestinian leadership who for decades have led their people down a cul de sac . In that the likes of Abbas and what passes for the terrorist ridden Hamas government of Gaza have had excellent mentors in the likes of Arafat who skimmed off hundreds of millions of dollars and of course every murderous tyrant in the surrounding states . So called Arab Spring was murdered at birth , not that any sane observer of the Middle East expected anything different .

You and your fellow miscreants appear to punch above your weight targeting a single front shop using the principles of free speech that society provides you while shutting down cultural exchange by world renowned dance troupes and theatre players .

But take a look at yourself . Consider for one moment that the world does not stand with you or buy into the heinous lie regarding Israeli apartheid .
Not Russia , China let alone all first world countries . The only countries that peddle this scurrilous nonsense are the aforementioned failed despotic third world Arab states who are busily killing their own citizens together with some tinpot South American despots .

The reality , as Norman Finklestein said on camera is that the BDS / PSC has become a cult made up of preening self hating narcissists as in your case and outright antisemites who use the cover of anti Zionism in order to carry out their nefarious activities supposedly out of sight and away from close examination .
But they are wrong . When you are exposed as was the case with Regreta Berlin it's quite an education watching the writhing and hand wringing as the organisation attempts damage limitation .

Yes you will disrupt an innocent dance troupe . You will attach great significance to it . In reality you achieve nothing save for spoiling an evenings entertainment for an audience that has spent good money .

Ultimately you have failed but then again you have been a failure for most of your life , at least in the eyes of your late father who cut you off as if you were dead - not my words but your own in your mealey mouthed semi obituary to him whereby you expected an apology from him on his death bed .
Your conceit is boundless .
Greenstein Your wretched organisation comprising of the far left , anarchists ,anti capitalists and other associated misfits only compound the mistakes and outright corruption of the Palestinian leadership who for decades have led their people down a cul de sac . In that the likes of Abbas and what passes for the terrorist ridden Hamas government of Gaza have had excellent mentors in the likes of Arafat who skimmed off hundreds of millions of dollars and of course every murderous tyrant in the surrounding states . So called Arab Spring was murdered at birth , not that any sane observer of the Middle East expected anything different . You and your fellow miscreants appear to punch above your weight targeting a single front shop using the principles of free speech that society provides you while shutting down cultural exchange by world renowned dance troupes and theatre players . But take a look at yourself . Consider for one moment that the world does not stand with you or buy into the heinous lie regarding Israeli apartheid . Not Russia , China let alone all first world countries . The only countries that peddle this scurrilous nonsense are the aforementioned failed despotic third world Arab states who are busily killing their own citizens together with some tinpot South American despots . The reality , as Norman Finklestein said on camera is that the BDS / PSC has become a cult made up of preening self hating narcissists as in your case and outright antisemites who use the cover of anti Zionism in order to carry out their nefarious activities supposedly out of sight and away from close examination . But they are wrong . When you are exposed as was the case with Regreta Berlin it's quite an education watching the writhing and hand wringing as the organisation attempts damage limitation . Yes you will disrupt an innocent dance troupe . You will attach great significance to it . In reality you achieve nothing save for spoiling an evenings entertainment for an audience that has spent good money . Ultimately you have failed but then again you have been a failure for most of your life , at least in the eyes of your late father who cut you off as if you were dead - not my words but your own in your mealey mouthed semi obituary to him whereby you expected an apology from him on his death bed . Your conceit is boundless . harvela
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1:28pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

And here is another bullett to bite on

http://www.number10.
gov.uk/news/ujia/

Unlike South Africa , where there was genuine apartheid which the world took issue with , the lies you peddle about Israel are merely the product of a malicious hatred for a successful first world democratic state which upholds the civil , religious and political liberty of all its citizens .
The link denotes Her Majesty's government continuing support and admiration for Israel and desires nothing more than to see an end to the conflict and a two state solution as we all do .
Except you and your minions who work tirelessly for the dismantlement of Israel .
You will not succeed . The free world is not on your side . You are an irrelevancy , a nuisance nothing more .
Incidentally Israel / UK trade totalled over 8 billion pounds in 2011
The fact you may or may not close down a single front shop on Western Avenue will have little bearing in the greater scheme of things .
One day you will slip this mortal coil and what will your legacy be . Nothing but sound and fury signifying very little .
And here is another bullett to bite on http://www.number10. gov.uk/news/ujia/ Unlike South Africa , where there was genuine apartheid which the world took issue with , the lies you peddle about Israel are merely the product of a malicious hatred for a successful first world democratic state which upholds the civil , religious and political liberty of all its citizens . The link denotes Her Majesty's government continuing support and admiration for Israel and desires nothing more than to see an end to the conflict and a two state solution as we all do . Except you and your minions who work tirelessly for the dismantlement of Israel . You will not succeed . The free world is not on your side . You are an irrelevancy , a nuisance nothing more . Incidentally Israel / UK trade totalled over 8 billion pounds in 2011 The fact you may or may not close down a single front shop on Western Avenue will have little bearing in the greater scheme of things . One day you will slip this mortal coil and what will your legacy be . Nothing but sound and fury signifying very little . harvela
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2:13pm Fri 19 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

If you want bullets to bite on Harvey Garfield, London taxi driver, then note that Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Tutu and Ronnie Kassrils, former ANC Police Minister, all support BDS because they see in Israel's occupation of the West Bank what happened in South Africa but only worse.

Kassrills of course was Jewish and the Jewish community, the most pro-Zionist in the world, was fully supportive of Apartheid. People like Ruth Short who was murdered and other Jews were ostracised until the community finally realised that Apartheid was going and sought to wrap themselves in the credentials of those like Joe Slovo whom they cast out.

But let's not just take the ANC's word for it, what did Apartheid's supporters say?

'Is there any difference between the way the people of Israel are trying to maintain themselves amid the non-Jewish peoples and the way the Afrikaner is trying to remain what he is? The people of Israel base themselves upon the Old Testament to explain why they do not wish to mix with other people. The Afrikaner does this too.' Henry Katzew South Africa - A Country Without Friends' Midstream Spring 1962 p. 73

Dr Verwoerd, a former South African Prime Minister and architect of Apartheid noted that :

“The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs lived there for a 1000 years. In this I agree with them. Israel like South Africa is an apartheid- state.”

And the Jerusalem Post made clear in April 1976 on the conclusion of a. pact between Israel and South Africa, after John Vorster, another South African PM's visit there that:

'The Afrikaners were especially enthusiastic... seeing a similarity of interest in two 'white' nations at the head and foot of the African continent waging lonely fights for survival against overwhelming black numbers.'

As Harold Soref, former Tory MP for Ormskirk and a member of the Board of Deputies wrote:

“No country in the world has done more to further the Zionist cause than South Africa… Politically they share the same enemies not least the UN.” Jewish Chronicle 25.8.78.

Jewish roads, Jewish water, Jewish land, Jewish only schools and kindergartens, ethnic cleansing. Shackling of Palestinian children as young as 12 (never happens to Jewish children) you can't justify any of these so what do you do Harvey and your other illiterates?

You attack the messenger. So much easier. But people are no longer fooled by your accusations of 'anti-Semitism'. Racism against Jews is no worse or better than racism by Jews and you are a racist, Hoffman and the rest of the Zionist Federation.

So answer my questions again about banning non-Jews from renting land. Or you could even tell us whether you agree with the Talmudic injunction not to save a non-Jewish life on the sabbath unless not to do so would endanger Jews!
If you want bullets to bite on Harvey Garfield, London taxi driver, then note that Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Tutu and Ronnie Kassrils, former ANC Police Minister, all support BDS because they see in Israel's occupation of the West Bank what happened in South Africa but only worse. Kassrills of course was Jewish and the Jewish community, the most pro-Zionist in the world, was fully supportive of Apartheid. People like Ruth Short who was murdered and other Jews were ostracised until the community finally realised that Apartheid was going and sought to wrap themselves in the credentials of those like Joe Slovo whom they cast out. But let's not just take the ANC's word for it, what did Apartheid's supporters say? 'Is there any difference between the way the people of Israel are trying to maintain themselves amid the non-Jewish peoples and the way the Afrikaner is trying to remain what he is? The people of Israel base themselves upon the Old Testament to explain why they do not wish to mix with other people. The Afrikaner does this too.' Henry Katzew South Africa - A Country Without Friends' Midstream Spring 1962 p. 73 Dr Verwoerd, a former South African Prime Minister and architect of Apartheid noted that : “The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs lived there for a 1000 years. In this I agree with them. Israel like South Africa is an apartheid- state.” [Rand Daily Mail, 23.11.61] And the Jerusalem Post made clear in April 1976 on the conclusion of a. pact between Israel and South Africa, after John Vorster, another South African PM's visit there that: 'The Afrikaners were especially enthusiastic... seeing a similarity of interest in two 'white' nations at the head and foot of the African continent waging lonely fights for survival against overwhelming black numbers.' As Harold Soref, former Tory MP for Ormskirk and a member of the Board of Deputies wrote: “No country in the world has done more to further the Zionist cause than South Africa… Politically they share the same enemies not least the UN.” Jewish Chronicle 25.8.78. Jewish roads, Jewish water, Jewish land, Jewish only schools and kindergartens, ethnic cleansing. Shackling of Palestinian children as young as 12 (never happens to Jewish children) you can't justify any of these so what do you do Harvey and your other illiterates? You attack the messenger. So much easier. But people are no longer fooled by your accusations of 'anti-Semitism'. Racism against Jews is no worse or better than racism by Jews and you are a racist, Hoffman and the rest of the Zionist Federation. So answer my questions again about banning non-Jews from renting land. Or you could even tell us whether you agree with the Talmudic injunction not to save a non-Jewish life on the sabbath unless not to do so would endanger Jews! tonygreenstein
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3:36pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

Well fancy that , taxi driver used in a condescending manner or indeed as a perjorative .
How delightfully illuminating to witness a dedicated Marxist reveal his middle class tendencies and inherent class snobbery by denigrating the means by which the working class provide for their families .
But wasn't that always the case with the upper echelons of the Communist ruling classes . Animal Farm revisited and so close to home .

Tony Greenstein , defender of the working classes ( not that he knows the meaning of the word ) except taxi drivers .

While I don't actually qualify as a taxi driver your comments demonstrate just what a veritable low life you are
Well fancy that , taxi driver used in a condescending manner or indeed as a perjorative . How delightfully illuminating to witness a dedicated Marxist reveal his middle class tendencies and inherent class snobbery by denigrating the means by which the working class provide for their families . But wasn't that always the case with the upper echelons of the Communist ruling classes . Animal Farm revisited and so close to home . Tony Greenstein , defender of the working classes ( not that he knows the meaning of the word ) except taxi drivers . While I don't actually qualify as a taxi driver your comments demonstrate just what a veritable low life you are harvela
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4:07pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

Returning to your last comment , I'm struck by your close adherence to the original doyenne of propaganda , the Nazi Joseph Goebbels, and the ultimate truism that if you tell a lie big enough and often enough it becomes the truth . Well as there is nothing to seperate both Nazism and Communism ( both ideologies were responsible for the murder of millions ) and you are the torch bearer for both .

As for Kasrills being a Jew , well so was Marx , Fisher the chess player and Atzmon and indeed you . All self hating with an insufferable shame and wish to divest themselves of their identity which prevents them from ( in their warped minds ) being accepted by the wider society . Ashamed self hating Jews . Ashamed of their heritage , customs and accomplishments and always the need to apologise for their being born a Jew . As with Atzmon as with you .
I've read enough of your belated attempt at a Mea Culpa to your late father to have a reasonably good idea why you are so terminally screwed up .

As for Israel being apartheid , another lie told often enough and big enough to become the truth .

Only the world does not buy it Tonyle .
If it did there would be a global boycott as there was with South Africa . Only there isn't which says everything one needs to know about you , your mendacity and your overall objective which is the dismantlement of Israel be it post 67 or within the 67 Borders .

You have no real interest in the Palestinians . You and your ilk are theorists . The fact that Israel - Israelis will never accede to your theoretical demands and commit national suicide by electing to become part of Tonys world as a single Islamic state doesn't concern you .
The fact that such an event would not arise through some referendum but through existential warfare and bloodshed on a hitherto unprecedented scale is of no concern to you . It's just a game . Marxist theory nothing more .

And all the time it's the Palestinians who pay the price first and foremost by their lying corrupt leadership and then ably supported by the likes of yourself
and the rest of the BDS movement .
Returning to your last comment , I'm struck by your close adherence to the original doyenne of propaganda , the Nazi Joseph Goebbels, and the ultimate truism that if you tell a lie big enough and often enough it becomes the truth . Well as there is nothing to seperate both Nazism and Communism ( both ideologies were responsible for the murder of millions ) and you are the torch bearer for both . As for Kasrills being a Jew , well so was Marx , Fisher the chess player and Atzmon and indeed you . All self hating with an insufferable shame and wish to divest themselves of their identity which prevents them from ( in their warped minds ) being accepted by the wider society . Ashamed self hating Jews . Ashamed of their heritage , customs and accomplishments and always the need to apologise for their being born a Jew . As with Atzmon as with you . I've read enough of your belated attempt at a Mea Culpa to your late father to have a reasonably good idea why you are so terminally screwed up . As for Israel being apartheid , another lie told often enough and big enough to become the truth . Only the world does not buy it Tonyle . If it did there would be a global boycott as there was with South Africa . Only there isn't which says everything one needs to know about you , your mendacity and your overall objective which is the dismantlement of Israel be it post 67 or within the 67 Borders . You have no real interest in the Palestinians . You and your ilk are theorists . The fact that Israel - Israelis will never accede to your theoretical demands and commit national suicide by electing to become part of Tonys world as a single Islamic state doesn't concern you . The fact that such an event would not arise through some referendum but through existential warfare and bloodshed on a hitherto unprecedented scale is of no concern to you . It's just a game . Marxist theory nothing more . And all the time it's the Palestinians who pay the price first and foremost by their lying corrupt leadership and then ably supported by the likes of yourself and the rest of the BDS movement . harvela
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4:07pm Fri 19 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

As usual Harvey you have nothing to say about the substance of the matter. I have no particular interest in your 'profession' cf to your interest in me.

So answer the questions like a good little boy
As usual Harvey you have nothing to say about the substance of the matter. I have no particular interest in your 'profession' cf to your interest in me. So answer the questions like a good little boy tonygreenstein
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4:23pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

As for non Jews not being able to rent or buy land , you are talking out of your rear end .
There are over a million non Jews living in Israel . They own or rent their own homes live on Kibbutzim , moshavim and the like .
Understandably and not for the first time you are attributing such things to Israel when in reality it is Israels neighbours and indeed the rest of the Arab countries which have been highly efficient in making themselves Juden frei - just as the Nazis did .
Forget Hamas , the PA are explicit in their wording that there will be no Jews in a future Palestinian and that the punishment is death for anyone found guilty of selling land to a Jew .

800,000 Jews were expelled from Arab lands in the 50 s and 60s . Subject to pogroms they left with nothing but the clothes on their backs .

That's apartheid and something you conveniently forget to ever mention .
Ever the propagandist and dissembler of the truth .
As for non Jews not being able to rent or buy land , you are talking out of your rear end . There are over a million non Jews living in Israel . They own or rent their own homes live on Kibbutzim , moshavim and the like . Understandably and not for the first time you are attributing such things to Israel when in reality it is Israels neighbours and indeed the rest of the Arab countries which have been highly efficient in making themselves Juden frei - just as the Nazis did . Forget Hamas , the PA are explicit in their wording that there will be no Jews in a future Palestinian and that the punishment is death for anyone found guilty of selling land to a Jew . 800,000 Jews were expelled from Arab lands in the 50 s and 60s . Subject to pogroms they left with nothing but the clothes on their backs . That's apartheid and something you conveniently forget to ever mention . Ever the propagandist and dissembler of the truth . harvela
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4:35pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

Greenstein

What ever I say you will distort . I owe you nothing . I've lived and worked in Israel . I have dealings with Arab Israelis who work in senior management positions within a wide range of industries .
You know full well that Israel subscribes to the founding tenets of the UN charter including freedom of religious and political expression , the Right to a full education , freedom from want and perhaps most meaningful of all liberty and the pursuit of happiness all of which is enshrined in the constitution .
All this despite a backdrop of more than 60 years of hate and attempts to snuff out the country at birth and ever since .

Anyway enough of this . I know you for what you are and all this exchange is meaningless .

Carry on your petty boycott actions .
You and your ilk are irrelevant .
Greenstein What ever I say you will distort . I owe you nothing . I've lived and worked in Israel . I have dealings with Arab Israelis who work in senior management positions within a wide range of industries . You know full well that Israel subscribes to the founding tenets of the UN charter including freedom of religious and political expression , the Right to a full education , freedom from want and perhaps most meaningful of all liberty and the pursuit of happiness all of which is enshrined in the constitution . All this despite a backdrop of more than 60 years of hate and attempts to snuff out the country at birth and ever since . Anyway enough of this . I know you for what you are and all this exchange is meaningless . Carry on your petty boycott actions . You and your ilk are irrelevant . harvela
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7:32pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

Greenstein has previously excused the antisemite Greta Berlin . Apparently her support for Palestine outweighs her racism and hatred of Jews . However it appears that she is too toxic for other leading acolytes of the Palestinian cause.
Greenstein has previously excused the antisemite Greta Berlin . Apparently her support for Palestine outweighs her racism and hatred of Jews . However it appears that she is too toxic for other leading acolytes of the Palestinian cause. harvela
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7:34pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

http://hurryupharry.
org/2012/10/18/greta
-berlin-fallout-a-mu
st-read-post/

And Greenstein still supports this appalling woman .
http://hurryupharry. org/2012/10/18/greta -berlin-fallout-a-mu st-read-post/ And Greenstein still supports this appalling woman . harvela
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9:28pm Fri 19 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

harvela wrote:
Greenstein has previously excused the antisemite Greta Berlin . Apparently her support for Palestine outweighs her racism and hatred of Jews . However it appears that she is too toxic for other leading acolytes of the Palestinian cause.
It seems out London taxi driver (i.e. nothing to do with Brighton!) thinks he can lie and others will fall for it.

My blog makes it quite clear what I think of Greta Berlin and her racism.

So as usual the ZIonist propagandists lie through their teeth.

http://azvsas.blogsp
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za-freedom.html
http://azvsas.blogsp
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tic-tweet.html

Now let us see if Harvey will still avoid the following guide from a rabbinical sage, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, in a book supported by literally hundreds of Orthodox Rabbis in Israel who waged a vicious and vehement campaign to justify killing even children and infants, as long as they are not Jewish of course:

“Non-Jews are “uncompassionate by nature” and should be killed in order to “curb their evil inclinations.” “If we kill a gentile who has has violated one of the seven commandments… there is nothing wrong with the murder,”

“There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.” Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, Torat Ha’Melech (The King's Torah)

http://www.alternet.
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All I asked was whether Harvey agreed with these racist and genocidal statements and if he is prepared to speak up against them. Obviously not.

Instead he witters on about the utterly irrelevant Greta Berlin, who has called for the death of no one, but we condemn her politically none the same.

Conclusion? No amount of racism directed at non-Jews is too much for our taxi driver Harvey and why should anyone be surprised.

He lies and lies and lies

Tell u what Harvey. When you go to that great taxi in the sky, no one will notice because you will have been just another common and garden racist, a Jewish racist to be sure, but a racist nonetheless.
[quote][p][bold]harvela[/bold] wrote: Greenstein has previously excused the antisemite Greta Berlin . Apparently her support for Palestine outweighs her racism and hatred of Jews . However it appears that she is too toxic for other leading acolytes of the Palestinian cause.[/p][/quote]It seems out London taxi driver (i.e. nothing to do with Brighton!) thinks he can lie and others will fall for it. My blog makes it quite clear what I think of Greta Berlin and her racism. So as usual the ZIonist propagandists lie through their teeth. http://azvsas.blogsp ot.co.uk/2012/10/gre ta-berlins-racism-ga za-freedom.html http://azvsas.blogsp ot.co.uk/2012/10/gre ta-berlins-anti-semi tic-tweet.html Now let us see if Harvey will still avoid the following guide from a rabbinical sage, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, in a book supported by literally hundreds of Orthodox Rabbis in Israel who waged a vicious and vehement campaign to justify killing even children and infants, as long as they are not Jewish of course: “Non-Jews are “uncompassionate by nature” and should be killed in order to “curb their evil inclinations.” “If we kill a gentile who has has violated one of the seven commandments… there is nothing wrong with the murder,” “There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.” Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, Torat Ha’Melech (The King's Torah) http://www.alternet. org/story/148016/how _to_kill_goyim_and_i nfluence_people%3A_i sraeli_rabbis_defend _book%27s_shocking_r eligious_defense_of_ killing_non-jews_%28 with_video%29 All I asked was whether Harvey agreed with these racist and genocidal statements and if he is prepared to speak up against them. Obviously not. Instead he witters on about the utterly irrelevant Greta Berlin, who has called for the death of no one, but we condemn her politically none the same. Conclusion? No amount of racism directed at non-Jews is too much for our taxi driver Harvey and why should anyone be surprised. He lies and lies and lies Tell u what Harvey. When you go to that great taxi in the sky, no one will notice because you will have been just another common and garden racist, a Jewish racist to be sure, but a racist nonetheless. tonygreenstein
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10:19pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater. It is a great political mistake that has been made by Greta Berlin but I am happy to let others judge her explanation and for her, if she wishes, to respond.

Here you go Tony , weasel your way out of your own comment .
You exonerate Berlin on the basis that her antisemitism is a price worth paying in the struggle against the ' evils of Zionism ' .
You are an anti Semite and no better than your nemesis Atzmon . How bitter it must be for you to be left behind in his slip stream .
Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater. It is a great political mistake that has been made by Greta Berlin but I am happy to let others judge her explanation and for her, if she wishes, to respond. Here you go Tony , weasel your way out of your own comment . You exonerate Berlin on the basis that her antisemitism is a price worth paying in the struggle against the ' evils of Zionism ' . You are an anti Semite and no better than your nemesis Atzmon . How bitter it must be for you to be left behind in his slip stream . harvela
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10:32pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

I don't answer your comments because they are deranged . A few aged Rabbis quoting fire and brimstone do not represent modern day secular Israel nor the vast majority of the Orthodox community .
It's like saying that the Taliban , Salafists , are representative of all of Islam .
On the other hand we have an interesting collection of photos of your good friend Aaron Cohen of Neturei Karta fame shaking hands with the head of the BNP .
As with Greta Berlin , the cause supercedes all else including siding with Neo Nazis .
I don't answer your comments because they are deranged . A few aged Rabbis quoting fire and brimstone do not represent modern day secular Israel nor the vast majority of the Orthodox community . It's like saying that the Taliban , Salafists , are representative of all of Islam . On the other hand we have an interesting collection of photos of your good friend Aaron Cohen of Neturei Karta fame shaking hands with the head of the BNP . As with Greta Berlin , the cause supercedes all else including siding with Neo Nazis . harvela
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10:45pm Fri 19 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

harvela wrote:
I don't answer your comments because they are deranged . A few aged Rabbis quoting fire and brimstone do not represent modern day secular Israel nor the vast majority of the Orthodox community .
It's like saying that the Taliban , Salafists , are representative of all of Islam .
On the other hand we have an interesting collection of photos of your good friend Aaron Cohen of Neturei Karta fame shaking hands with the head of the BNP .
As with Greta Berlin , the cause supercedes all else including siding with Neo Nazis .
You don't answer the comments because you agree with them and further they represent the tip of an iceberg.

'Dov Lior, Chief Rabbi of Hebron and Kiryat Arba in the southern West Bank and head of the "Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria" has made speeches legitimizing the killing of non-Jews and praising Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish settler who in a deadly terrorist attack killed 29 Muslim worshippers while they were praying in mosque in Hebron, as a saint and martyr. Lior also said "a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail". Lior publicly gave permission to spill blood of Arab persons and has publicly supported extreme right-wing Jewish terrorists.

In July 2010, Yitzhak Shapira who heads Dorshei Yihudcha yeshiva in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar, was arrested by Israeli police for writing a book that allegedly encourages the killing of non-Jews. In his book "The King's Torah" (Torat Hamelech) he wrote that under Torah and Jewish Law it is legal to kill Gentiles. The section entitled "Conclusions – Chapter Five: The Killing of Gentiles in War" reads that in some cases it is permitted to kill the babies of enemy forces "because of the future danger they may present since they will grow up to be evil like their parents." Later in August 2010 police arrested rabbi Yosef Elitzur-Hershkowitz - co-author of Shapira's book - on the grounds of incitement to racial violence, possession of a racist text, and possession of material that incites to violence. The controversial book was endorsed by Rabbi Dov Lior of Kiryat Arba, a respected figure among many mainstream religious Zionists and Yaakov Yosef, son of Shas spiritual leader Ovadia Yosef.'

This is fine by you. Dov Lior has repeatedly been elected to Israel's Supreme Rabbinical Council. He is not only Chief Rabbi of Hebron and Kiryat Arba settlement but heads the Rabbinical Council of the West Bank. He has only been kept off Israels Supreme Rabbinical Council for political reasons by politicians but he is enormously popular amongst Orthodox Jewry.

Compared to which Greta Berlin is a nothing.

The difference is that I unreservedly condemn her, Atzmon and anyone else who takes Zionists at their word that they represent Jews (which is where their anti-Semitism comes from). You on the other hand Harvey not only turn a blind eye to the Liors but you defend the basis of the state that feeds these creatures.

The Jewish National Fund, along with the Israeli Lands Authority, controls 93% of Israel's land from which non-Jews are barred from renting or leasing.

Fortunately many Jews are changing their spots. Whereas you are intent on living up to your Alf Garnett caricature of a London taxi driver, more and more Jews are rebelling from the Zionist zealotry that infuses you. In American Jewish Voices 4 Peace has a mailing list of over 120,000. It is Hitler supporting Christian fundamentalists, such as those who demonstrate outside Sodastream in your support, who are the main bastion of Zionism.

But then, as even u know, anti-Semites always supported the Zionists. I'm sure you are well aware that the SS favoured Zionist groups in Germany Jewry and repressed their anti-Zionist counterparts, as the ZIonists were the racial Jews. Nothing changes when you and HOffman demonstrate outside Ahava with the EDL.

There's a nice picture of you and Jonathan HOffman with neo-Nazi Roberta Moore of the Jewish Division of the EDL. Captured on film and of course Hoffman had to apologise profusely when he suggested the picture was photoshopped!

So lets hear you condemning the racists on your side or would that have to include you too?
[quote][p][bold]harvela[/bold] wrote: I don't answer your comments because they are deranged . A few aged Rabbis quoting fire and brimstone do not represent modern day secular Israel nor the vast majority of the Orthodox community . It's like saying that the Taliban , Salafists , are representative of all of Islam . On the other hand we have an interesting collection of photos of your good friend Aaron Cohen of Neturei Karta fame shaking hands with the head of the BNP . As with Greta Berlin , the cause supercedes all else including siding with Neo Nazis .[/p][/quote]You don't answer the comments because you agree with them and further they represent the tip of an iceberg. 'Dov Lior, Chief Rabbi of Hebron and Kiryat Arba in the southern West Bank and head of the "Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria" has made speeches legitimizing the killing of non-Jews and praising Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish settler who in a deadly terrorist attack killed 29 Muslim worshippers while they were praying in mosque in Hebron, as a saint and martyr. Lior also said "a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail".[131][132][133] Lior publicly gave permission to spill blood of Arab persons and has publicly supported extreme right-wing Jewish terrorists.[134] In July 2010, Yitzhak Shapira who heads Dorshei Yihudcha yeshiva in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar, was arrested by Israeli police for writing a book that allegedly encourages the killing of non-Jews. In his book "The King's Torah" (Torat Hamelech) he wrote that under Torah and Jewish Law it is legal to kill Gentiles.[135] The section entitled "Conclusions – Chapter Five: The Killing of Gentiles in War" reads that in some cases it is permitted to kill the babies of enemy forces "because of the future danger they may present since they will grow up to be evil like their parents."[136] Later in August 2010 police arrested rabbi Yosef Elitzur-Hershkowitz - co-author of Shapira's book - on the grounds of incitement to racial violence, possession of a racist text, and possession of material that incites to violence. The controversial book was endorsed by Rabbi Dov Lior of Kiryat Arba, a respected figure among many mainstream religious Zionists[130] and Yaakov Yosef, son of Shas spiritual leader Ovadia Yosef.[137]' This is fine by you. Dov Lior has repeatedly been elected to Israel's Supreme Rabbinical Council. He is not only Chief Rabbi of Hebron and Kiryat Arba settlement but heads the Rabbinical Council of the West Bank. He has only been kept off Israels Supreme Rabbinical Council for political reasons by politicians but he is enormously popular amongst Orthodox Jewry. Compared to which Greta Berlin is a nothing. The difference is that I unreservedly condemn her, Atzmon and anyone else who takes Zionists at their word that they represent Jews (which is where their anti-Semitism comes from). You on the other hand Harvey not only turn a blind eye to the Liors but you defend the basis of the state that feeds these creatures. The Jewish National Fund, along with the Israeli Lands Authority, controls 93% of Israel's land from which non-Jews are barred from renting or leasing. Fortunately many Jews are changing their spots. Whereas you are intent on living up to your Alf Garnett caricature of a London taxi driver, more and more Jews are rebelling from the Zionist zealotry that infuses you. In American Jewish Voices 4 Peace has a mailing list of over 120,000. It is Hitler supporting Christian fundamentalists, such as those who demonstrate outside Sodastream in your support, who are the main bastion of Zionism. But then, as even u know, anti-Semites always supported the Zionists. I'm sure you are well aware that the SS favoured Zionist groups in Germany Jewry and repressed their anti-Zionist counterparts, as the ZIonists were the racial Jews. Nothing changes when you and HOffman demonstrate outside Ahava with the EDL. There's a nice picture of you and Jonathan HOffman with neo-Nazi Roberta Moore of the Jewish Division of the EDL. Captured on film and of course Hoffman had to apologise profusely when he suggested the picture was photoshopped! So lets hear you condemning the racists on your side or would that have to include you too? tonygreenstein
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11:23pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

I realise you are smarting a bit , but in all honesty your comments regarding taxi drivers make you appear somewhat weird . What on earth have you got against taxi drivers ?
You really are in need of a shrink to help you overcome your neurosis .
I realise you are smarting a bit , but in all honesty your comments regarding taxi drivers make you appear somewhat weird . What on earth have you got against taxi drivers ? You really are in need of a shrink to help you overcome your neurosis . harvela
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11:41pm Fri 19 Oct 12

harvela says...

It's only just begun to click with me . Your obsession and hatred of a few obscure Rabbis is actually a reflection of your feelings towards your late father a respected and pious man and Rabbi who rejected you when you were in your teens .
In his eyes you were a Nebbach , a wastrel and failure . Run ins with the police , drugs , squats . You rejected everything he stood for and he in turn rejected you .
Did he say the special mourners Kaddish for the living dead . You are a feckless dead beat and have been all your life .
The only way of getting back at your late father for your rejection is to attack everything he held dear but especially Israel .
No charge for the consultation . Maybe it might help you come to terms with yourself .
It's only just begun to click with me . Your obsession and hatred of a few obscure Rabbis is actually a reflection of your feelings towards your late father a respected and pious man and Rabbi who rejected you when you were in your teens . In his eyes you were a Nebbach , a wastrel and failure . Run ins with the police , drugs , squats . You rejected everything he stood for and he in turn rejected you . Did he say the special mourners Kaddish for the living dead . You are a feckless dead beat and have been all your life . The only way of getting back at your late father for your rejection is to attack everything he held dear but especially Israel . No charge for the consultation . Maybe it might help you come to terms with yourself . harvela
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12:23am Sat 20 Oct 12

Goyboy says...

TG said..."It is Hitler supporting Christian fundamentalists, such as those who demonstrate outside Sodastream in your support, who are the main bastion of Zionism."

Now I can't offer you a free consultation Tony as Harvela has done...but I can respectfully point out to you that you have a very active non-kosher bee under your yarmulke regarding some of the Christians that support the free-enterprise of the Eco-stream shop, support the local Jewish community, and support the nation of Israel.

I guess is has become second nature for you over these years to attempt to demonize those with opposimg views to your own...in fact having read large sections of your blog and the way you repeat certain mythical mantras I understand that this is the modus operandi of many people with similar convictions to your own.

You apparently hate all Jews that don't swallow your jaundiced politics, you seem to hate and slander all Christians that support Israel and reading between the lines I presume you would also hate G-d if you had the capacity to entertain His existence...all I see is hate and bitterness which in my experience is an effective people repellent.
TG said..."It is Hitler supporting Christian fundamentalists, such as those who demonstrate outside Sodastream in your support, who are the main bastion of Zionism." Now I can't offer you a free consultation Tony as Harvela has done...but I can respectfully point out to you that you have a very active non-kosher bee under your yarmulke regarding some of the Christians that support the free-enterprise of the Eco-stream shop, support the local Jewish community, and support the nation of Israel. I guess is has become second nature for you over these years to attempt to demonize those with opposimg views to your own...in fact having read large sections of your blog and the way you repeat certain mythical mantras I understand that this is the modus operandi of many people with similar convictions to your own. You apparently hate all Jews that don't swallow your jaundiced politics, you seem to hate and slander all Christians that support Israel and reading between the lines I presume you would also hate G-d if you had the capacity to entertain His existence...all I see is hate and bitterness which in my experience is an effective people repellent. Goyboy
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12:28am Sat 20 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I suggest Harvey leaves psychology to others and concentrates on driving that taxi.

I have no animus against rabbis for personal reasons - I object to racism whether it comes from rabbis or 'goy boys' - (that term deserves psychoanalysis on its own but I'll leave it to others as to why he has chosen the equivalent of 'Jewboy' .

Religious leaders often express the most virulent hatred of others, especially when they have state power in Israel.

Now back you go Harvey to demonstrating with the holocaust denying EDL - along with goyboy of course. You both deserve each other

and his anti-Semitic 'goy boy' confine
I suggest Harvey leaves psychology to others and concentrates on driving that taxi. I have no animus against rabbis for personal reasons - I object to racism whether it comes from rabbis or 'goy boys' - (that term deserves psychoanalysis on its own but I'll leave it to others as to why he has chosen the equivalent of 'Jewboy' . Religious leaders often express the most virulent hatred of others, especially when they have state power in Israel. Now back you go Harvey to demonstrating with the holocaust denying EDL - along with goyboy of course. You both deserve each other and his anti-Semitic 'goy boy' confine tonygreenstein
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1:50am Sat 20 Oct 12

Goyboy says...

Obviously some clarification is expedient.

I am happy to use the word 'Goy' to simply denote a non-Jew....and as such I am a Goy...no problemo.

Some people see it as a derogatory expression to mean heathen, faithless people, or as a snide remark about a non-Jew....but looking on thw web I saw this definition by Rabbi Mendy Hecht:-

"Goy" is a Hebrew word which means "nation." It’s found frequently in the Torah, where it usually refers to "the nations," i.e. anyone not Jewish, outside the "Nation of Israel," i.e. the Jewish People. However, since it is a neutral phrase, it sometimes refers to the Jews as well.


The plural of goy is goyim; the plural of nation is nations. One goy, two goyim. One nation, two nations.

Today, the word "goy" is most often used to simply mean "non-Jew".

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From a spiritual perspective, whether you are a Jew or a Goy we know from Torah that G-d is not so much concerned with externals, but with a person's heart.
Obviously some clarification is expedient. I am happy to use the word 'Goy' to simply denote a non-Jew....and as such I am a Goy...no problemo. Some people see it as a derogatory expression to mean heathen, faithless people, or as a snide remark about a non-Jew....but looking on thw web I saw this definition by Rabbi Mendy Hecht:- "Goy" is a Hebrew word which means "nation." It’s found frequently in the Torah, where it usually refers to "the nations," i.e. anyone not Jewish, outside the "Nation of Israel," i.e. the Jewish People. However, since it is a neutral phrase, it sometimes refers to the Jews as well. The plural of goy is goyim; the plural of nation is nations. One goy, two goyim. One nation, two nations. Today, the word "goy" is most often used to simply mean "non-Jew". .................... .................... ............ From a spiritual perspective, whether you are a Jew or a Goy we know from Torah that G-d is not so much concerned with externals, but with a person's heart. Goyboy
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10:26am Sat 20 Oct 12

harvela says...

Tonyle dear
I hope the contempt you have for hard working London cabbies does not apply equally to Brighton cabs . Otherwise
It will be cash up front from here on - certainly for the likes of you

But then again how would a lick spittle ne'er do well like you be able to afford a taxi in the first place .
Tonyle dear I hope the contempt you have for hard working London cabbies does not apply equally to Brighton cabs . Otherwise It will be cash up front from here on - certainly for the likes of you But then again how would a lick spittle ne'er do well like you be able to afford a taxi in the first place . harvela
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8:26pm Sat 20 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I notice you use the same appellation for me as the veritable anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon. And well you should since you are cut from the same cloth.

Don't use taxis but cab drivers today are seen as the stereotypical bigot, rightly or wrongly. In your case rightly.

For someone who complains about derogatory comments your remarks about ne'er do wells and affording your inflated prices seem to coexist well. Once a bigot always a bigot I guess.
I notice you use the same appellation for me as the veritable anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon. And well you should since you are cut from the same cloth. Don't use taxis but cab drivers today are seen as the stereotypical bigot, rightly or wrongly. In your case rightly. For someone who complains about derogatory comments your remarks about ne'er do wells and affording your inflated prices seem to coexist well. Once a bigot always a bigot I guess. tonygreenstein
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10:14pm Sat 20 Oct 12

harvela says...

Fine away day in London smashing up the banks Tony ? It wouldn't be quite so austere if you had ever done an honest days work in your life . And More nonsense in Brighton tomorrow .
The perfect weekend !
As for Atzmon , there's nothing to seperate you , save for the fact you are talentless .
Fine away day in London smashing up the banks Tony ? It wouldn't be quite so austere if you had ever done an honest days work in your life . And More nonsense in Brighton tomorrow . The perfect weekend ! As for Atzmon , there's nothing to seperate you , save for the fact you are talentless . harvela
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11:07pm Sat 20 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

Haven't seen the news so I don't know what you're talking about. Reactionary as ever Harvey. It's the banks what have been smashing up peoples' lives but I wouldn't have thought your brain would be up to working that one out.

What makes you think you're the only one who does an 'honest days work'? I was at the Employment Appeal Tribunal winning a case last Wednesday. The idea of you doing anything with what passes for that apology of a brain is laughable.

I can't decide whether to picket Sodastream next Saturday or oppose the EDL at Walthamstow. You must have the same dilemma. Should you oppose an anti-racist picket in Brighton or support your fascist friends in London.

Once a bigot always a bigot.
Haven't seen the news so I don't know what you're talking about. Reactionary as ever Harvey. It's the banks what have been smashing up peoples' lives but I wouldn't have thought your brain would be up to working that one out. What makes you think you're the only one who does an 'honest days work'? I was at the Employment Appeal Tribunal winning a case last Wednesday. The idea of you doing anything with what passes for that apology of a brain is laughable. I can't decide whether to picket Sodastream next Saturday or oppose the EDL at Walthamstow. You must have the same dilemma. Should you oppose an anti-racist picket in Brighton or support your fascist friends in London. Once a bigot always a bigot. tonygreenstein
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8:31am Sun 21 Oct 12

harvela says...

Not that I owe you an explanation but I've made my stand against fascists like you all my life .
When the EDL were due to march through Tower Hamlets , I was there to show my solidarity with the population who had replaced previous immigrants including my grand parents .
It was a personal journey for me out of homage to my father and uncles who fought in the Battle of Cable Street .

I chose to stand at a distance from the
New anti fascists , the stoppers and the like . Those with Free Palestine etc . Because when you are busy freeing Palestine and have replaced it with your new utopia , there will be no more Jews there and you will have helped ensure a new Holocaust .
Unlike you , I'm a realist . I hear clearly what Hamas , Hezbollah , and the other Descendants of the Mufti have to say about Jews and I take it on board .

I see the way our neighbours slaughter each other and I say thank you but no thank you to your theoretical utopia .

That day I stood away from your ilk .
I don't need to stand with latter day Mosleyites who are putting the world to right while planning the eradication of my people .

You in your madness can see none of this . I would like to think my father would be proud of my unilateral stand that day .
Not that I owe you an explanation but I've made my stand against fascists like you all my life . When the EDL were due to march through Tower Hamlets , I was there to show my solidarity with the population who had replaced previous immigrants including my grand parents . It was a personal journey for me out of homage to my father and uncles who fought in the Battle of Cable Street . I chose to stand at a distance from the New anti fascists , the stoppers and the like . Those with Free Palestine etc . Because when you are busy freeing Palestine and have replaced it with your new utopia , there will be no more Jews there and you will have helped ensure a new Holocaust . Unlike you , I'm a realist . I hear clearly what Hamas , Hezbollah , and the other Descendants of the Mufti have to say about Jews and I take it on board . I see the way our neighbours slaughter each other and I say thank you but no thank you to your theoretical utopia . That day I stood away from your ilk . I don't need to stand with latter day Mosleyites who are putting the world to right while planning the eradication of my people . You in your madness can see none of this . I would like to think my father would be proud of my unilateral stand that day . harvela
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9:01am Sun 21 Oct 12

Tommo2 says...

Decisions, decisions. Greenstein says he doesn't know whether to picket Sodastream, a shop that stocks less than 10% of its products from Israel, or to join his Muslim friends in Walthamstow in a show of anti-British yobbery. I hope he would choose the EDL demo where there is a better chance of being beaten senseless by the police or a stray brick from a member of the religion of peace. This is how these people fill their day, in totally futile pursuits and being permanently at odds with society and fooling themselves into thinking that what they do makes a difference. If only they knew how people loath the very sight of them.
Decisions, decisions. Greenstein says he doesn't know whether to picket Sodastream, a shop that stocks less than 10% of its products from Israel, or to join his Muslim friends in Walthamstow in a show of anti-British yobbery. I hope he would choose the EDL demo where there is a better chance of being beaten senseless by the police or a stray brick from a member of the religion of peace. This is how these people fill their day, in totally futile pursuits and being permanently at odds with society and fooling themselves into thinking that what they do makes a difference. If only they knew how people loath the very sight of them. Tommo2
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11:37am Sun 21 Oct 12

Nemeth says...

And how exactly do you fill your day, apart from sitting online spamming this site with multiple consecutive posts on the same topic?
And how exactly do you fill your day, apart from sitting online spamming this site with multiple consecutive posts on the same topic? Nemeth
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1:03pm Sun 21 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I see the fascists and the Zionists are holding hands again. Harvey who demonstrated alongside the EDL now tells us he was at Tower Hamlets, but stood apart from the left. Unlike my dad, who I dedicated my book on the fight against fascism to, who took an active part with the left in smashing the Moseleyites

And then there's Tommo who openly supports the fascists who hopes I'll catch a stray brick. No chance mate. When you lot came to town last April you were cowering behind the Police as the people pelted you with various objects.

As to Nemeth, if you had a couple of brain cells to rub together you might realise that acting for people in the High Court for Employment tribunals ie the Employment Appeal Tribunal, preparing a case or appeal, advising people, raising funds the unemployed centre, dealing with reporters plus of course having a family and being a carer is a bit more time consuming than being a fascist wastrel tossing puerile comments on the Argus website.

I tell you what Harvey though. Despite all my differences over Zionism with my dad, because I took the line that you couldn't opppose racism against Jews and then support it by Jews, he was at least consistently opposed to fascism. That's why he took up boxing as a kid to see off the Mosleyite thugs that the fool who supports you Tommo calls 'pro British'. If he'd have seen you demonstrating with the Nazis of the EDL outside Ahava he'd have gone up to you and smacked you both in your fat faces. You are both Judases.

But then Zionism was always a quisling movement and in Hungary you sold 1/2 million Jews in exchange for the elite. When I asked my dad about that he said there were always Jewish traitors. Pity they led the Zionist movement, eh?
I see the fascists and the Zionists are holding hands again. Harvey who demonstrated alongside the EDL now tells us he was at Tower Hamlets, but stood apart from the left. Unlike my dad, who I dedicated my book on the fight against fascism to, who took an active part with the left in smashing the Moseleyites And then there's Tommo who openly supports the fascists who hopes I'll catch a stray brick. No chance mate. When you lot came to town last April you were cowering behind the Police as the people pelted you with various objects. As to Nemeth, if you had a couple of brain cells to rub together you might realise that acting for people in the High Court for Employment tribunals ie the Employment Appeal Tribunal, preparing a case or appeal, advising people, raising funds the unemployed centre, dealing with reporters plus of course having a family and being a carer is a bit more time consuming than being a fascist wastrel tossing puerile comments on the Argus website. I tell you what Harvey though. Despite all my differences over Zionism with my dad, because I took the line that you couldn't opppose racism against Jews and then support it by Jews, he was at least consistently opposed to fascism. That's why he took up boxing as a kid to see off the Mosleyite thugs that the fool who supports you Tommo calls 'pro British'. If he'd have seen you demonstrating with the Nazis of the EDL outside Ahava he'd have gone up to you and smacked you both in your fat faces. You are both Judases. But then Zionism was always a quisling movement and in Hungary you sold 1/2 million Jews in exchange for the elite. When I asked my dad about that he said there were always Jewish traitors. Pity they led the Zionist movement, eh? tonygreenstein
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2:42pm Sun 21 Oct 12

harvela says...

Greenstein arch traducer of the truth , who was weaned on the milk of Far left Communist agit prop .
Greenstein arch traducer of the truth , who was weaned on the milk of Far left Communist agit prop . harvela
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3:13pm Sun 21 Oct 12

harvela says...

Your pitiful Mea Culpa to your father makes my blood run cold .
You seriously believe that dedicating a book to a father you barely saw and who despised your behaviour , can ever make up for the pain you caused him over a lifetime . A man who never to meet his own grand daughter and whose one contact was the day her grandfather was lowered into the ground .
You the wicked son , who had the temerity to expect his father to apologise to him . Your late father was too proud and moral to ever do such a thing which made your bitterness harden .
As for your EDL comments , if I thought you had two pence to rub together I would drag you through the courts for defamation , but like others of your ilk who are unable to pay their debts to society when found guilty there is no point .
As it is I prefer to keep my powder dry on the matter pending more profitable opportunities to air the truth .

Your mentors were those who in their own unique and evil ways perfected the art of propaganda , ie Stalin and Goebbels . Unlike your father they would be proud of what you have achieved thus far .

You are ever the reactionary . A propagator of a proven failed ideology . You will ultimately fail with your obsessive hatred of Israel as you have failed with everything else throughout
your shallow meaningless existence .
Your pitiful Mea Culpa to your father makes my blood run cold . You seriously believe that dedicating a book to a father you barely saw and who despised your behaviour , can ever make up for the pain you caused him over a lifetime . A man who never to meet his own grand daughter and whose one contact was the day her grandfather was lowered into the ground . You the wicked son , who had the temerity to expect his father to apologise to him . Your late father was too proud and moral to ever do such a thing which made your bitterness harden . As for your EDL comments , if I thought you had two pence to rub together I would drag you through the courts for defamation , but like others of your ilk who are unable to pay their debts to society when found guilty there is no point . As it is I prefer to keep my powder dry on the matter pending more profitable opportunities to air the truth . Your mentors were those who in their own unique and evil ways perfected the art of propaganda , ie Stalin and Goebbels . Unlike your father they would be proud of what you have achieved thus far . You are ever the reactionary . A propagator of a proven failed ideology . You will ultimately fail with your obsessive hatred of Israel as you have failed with everything else throughout your shallow meaningless existence . harvela
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5:18pm Sun 21 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I don't think you know anything about me or my father Harvey. Unlike you he was at least an anti-fascist. Whereas you are just a disappointment all round

Most Jewish kids go to university, are professionals, in business etc. Your only qualification is to drive a motor vehicle and badly at that.

I do the suing and so far have 2 national newspapers and the TUC under my belt re libel is concerned.

Fact is that even when you allege you were in Tower Hamlets to oppose the EDL that you had demonstrated alongside of, you couldn't bear to be with those who they were targetting - Muslims That makes you a racist in anyone's eyes.

As the link to my blog makes clear, you were there with Hoffman, on either side of Kach member and EDL Jewish Division Organiser Roberta Moore. Literally you are Hoffman's ugly twin. So your tales of going to East London to oppose the EDL can be taken with a hefty dose of (kosher) salt!!!
I don't think you know anything about me or my father Harvey. Unlike you he was at least an anti-fascist. Whereas you are just a disappointment all round Most Jewish kids go to university, are professionals, in business etc. Your only qualification is to drive a motor vehicle and badly at that. I do the suing and so far have 2 national newspapers and the TUC under my belt re libel is concerned. Fact is that even when you allege you were in Tower Hamlets to oppose the EDL that you had demonstrated alongside of, you couldn't bear to be with those who they were targetting - Muslims That makes you a racist in anyone's eyes. As the link to my blog makes clear, you were there with Hoffman, on either side of Kach member and EDL Jewish Division Organiser Roberta Moore. Literally you are Hoffman's ugly twin. So your tales of going to East London to oppose the EDL can be taken with a hefty dose of (kosher) salt!!! tonygreenstein
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11:05am Mon 22 Oct 12

harvela says...

Am Yisrael chai !
The people of Israel live !

And will do so long after you and your toxic legacy is forgotten .
Am Yisrael chai ! The people of Israel live ! And will do so long after you and your toxic legacy is forgotten . harvela
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12:30am Tue 23 Oct 12

Goyboy says...

I don't think back and forth bickering does any good for any of us, it certainly isn't edifying and I imagine it is pretty boring for those that try to read the stuff.

I probably don't agree with TG in any way whatsoever, but I wish him no harm and try to draw my conclusions on his position from what he reveals through his words....

I am reminded of a Tenach verse in Mishlei Shlomo, (Proverbs) that says:

'There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.'

Another says:

'Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But HaShem weighs the hearts.'

This applies to each of us in every circumstance including writing our comments here.

Shalom/Salaam/Peace
I don't think back and forth bickering does any good for any of us, it certainly isn't edifying and I imagine it is pretty boring for those that try to read the stuff. I probably don't agree with TG in any way whatsoever, but I wish him no harm and try to draw my conclusions on his position from what he reveals through his words.... I am reminded of a Tenach verse in Mishlei Shlomo, (Proverbs) that says: 'There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.' Another says: 'Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But HaShem weighs the hearts.' This applies to each of us in every circumstance including writing our comments here. Shalom/Salaam/Peace Goyboy
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12:57am Tue 23 Oct 12

harvela says...

Not so in the case of Greenstein . He has long been beyond the pale and normal codes of decency don't apply to him .
He works obsessively for the dismantlement of Israel with all that entails ie bloodshed on an unprecedented scale . For Marxist theorists like Greenstein ,human suffering is irrelevant . It's the cause that matters .

I make no apologies for my vitriol expressed here . As long as I have breath in my body , I will confront fascists such as Greenstein and maintain my support for Israel .
Not so in the case of Greenstein . He has long been beyond the pale and normal codes of decency don't apply to him . He works obsessively for the dismantlement of Israel with all that entails ie bloodshed on an unprecedented scale . For Marxist theorists like Greenstein ,human suffering is irrelevant . It's the cause that matters . I make no apologies for my vitriol expressed here . As long as I have breath in my body , I will confront fascists such as Greenstein and maintain my support for Israel . harvela
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1:26am Tue 23 Oct 12

Goyboy says...

Sometimes I think one has more chance of getting milk from a cow when one stops kicking it.

I too will confront anti-Israel propaganda, and maintain my support for Israel...my point is that slagging someone off the whole time and making personal remarks is...apart from anything else....unhelpful.
Sometimes I think one has more chance of getting milk from a cow when one stops kicking it. I too will confront anti-Israel propaganda, and maintain my support for Israel...my point is that slagging someone off the whole time and making personal remarks is...apart from anything else....unhelpful. Goyboy
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1:59am Tue 23 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

Yes Harvey you will confront anti-fascists until you expire and you will also dance down the street in company with the EDL. And as with Orwell's doublespeak you will invert fascist and anti-fascist, since to you Black is White.

It is a difficult idea to get one's head around that dismantlement of a state isn't the same as destruction of its people, as the destruction of the Nazi and Apartheid states demonstrate. That is why Harvey's aspirations began and ended with his black cab!

His vitriol (his description) merely proves how right I am to oppose Jewish racism as much as I have opposed anti-Jewish racism. Harvey of course at least understands that if you are a Jewish racist then you cannot deny the legitimacy of anti-Jewish racism. The traditional posture of the Zionist movement which betrayed the half million Jews of Hungary in order to save the elite.

But no doubt Harvey will be happy to explain to Goyboy just why the Kasztner trial, brought by survivors of the Hungarian holocaust, shook Israel and led to the fall of the Sharrett government.

A story rarely told now by those who ritually accuse their opponents of 'anti-semitism'
Yes Harvey you will confront anti-fascists until you expire and you will also dance down the street in company with the EDL. And as with Orwell's doublespeak you will invert fascist and anti-fascist, since to you Black is White. It is a difficult idea to get one's head around that dismantlement of a state isn't the same as destruction of its people, as the destruction of the Nazi and Apartheid states demonstrate. That is why Harvey's aspirations began and ended with his black cab! His vitriol (his description) merely proves how right I am to oppose Jewish racism as much as I have opposed anti-Jewish racism. Harvey of course at least understands that if you are a Jewish racist then you cannot deny the legitimacy of anti-Jewish racism. The traditional posture of the Zionist movement which betrayed the half million Jews of Hungary in order to save the elite. But no doubt Harvey will be happy to explain to Goyboy just why the Kasztner trial, brought by survivors of the Hungarian holocaust, shook Israel and led to the fall of the Sharrett government. A story rarely told now by those who ritually accuse their opponents of 'anti-semitism' tonygreenstein
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8:44am Tue 23 Oct 12

harvela says...

Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater. It is a great political mistake that has been made by Greta Berlin but I am happy to let others judge her explanation and for her, if she wishes, to respond

And here you are playing happy families with an acknowledged antisemite . Ever ready to dance with the devil as long it fits the cause
Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater. It is a great political mistake that has been made by Greta Berlin but I am happy to let others judge her explanation and for her, if she wishes, to respond And here you are playing happy families with an acknowledged antisemite . Ever ready to dance with the devil as long it fits the cause harvela
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9:03am Tue 23 Oct 12

harvela says...

Maniac !
What do you think dismantlement means ? Do you believe nearly 7 million Israelis will simply wake up one morning , hold a referendum and vote themselves into an Islamic state . Are you totally barking ? How else do you think this ' dismantlement 'would come about in anything other than existential war and bloodshed on an unprecedented scale .

Interesting to note the paucity of your argument and the resulting need to resort to pathetic Ad Homs .

I'll close now . Wading through your sewer has a debilitating effect .
Maniac ! What do you think dismantlement means ? Do you believe nearly 7 million Israelis will simply wake up one morning , hold a referendum and vote themselves into an Islamic state . Are you totally barking ? How else do you think this ' dismantlement 'would come about in anything other than existential war and bloodshed on an unprecedented scale . Interesting to note the paucity of your argument and the resulting need to resort to pathetic Ad Homs . I'll close now . Wading through your sewer has a debilitating effect . harvela
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12:19pm Tue 23 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

Another of his libels. I don't play happy families with any anti-Semites but I also recognise that some people, when told that to support the Palestinians makes them automatically anti-Semitic, accept that accusation at face value.

I draw the conclusion from what the Nazis did to the Jews that all racism is wrong, whoever perpetrates it. Harvey draws the opposite conclusion. Anti-Jewish racism is wrong but Jewish racism is right.

That is why my good friend Yusef, born in Jerusalem cannot return, even though he lived there but I can go there and claim a right of 'return' even though I've only visited Jerusalem once. Racist? Perish the thought.

As for dismantlement of the Zionist aspects of the state, there is no reason why it should be any more traumatic than the dismantlement of the apartheid state. But that is no doubt a question that can be discussed by the latest victims of the burning of the olive groves on the West Bank.

Or take the latest opinion poll in Israel's only liberal paper, Ha'aretz:

'Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel'
http://www.haaretz.c
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s-would-support-apar
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If this doesn't tell Harvey and his supporters something then nothing will.

As for ad hominems Harvey, you began them with your attack on my personal relations with my not long deceased father. Clearly you can't take the same. Or as Corporal Jones used to say: 'They don't like it up em sir!'
Another of his libels. I don't play happy families with any anti-Semites but I also recognise that some people, when told that to support the Palestinians makes them automatically anti-Semitic, accept that accusation at face value. I draw the conclusion from what the Nazis did to the Jews that all racism is wrong, whoever perpetrates it. Harvey draws the opposite conclusion. Anti-Jewish racism is wrong but Jewish racism is right. That is why my good friend Yusef, born in Jerusalem cannot return, even though he lived there but I can go there and claim a right of 'return' even though I've only visited Jerusalem once. Racist? Perish the thought. As for dismantlement of the Zionist aspects of the state, there is no reason why it should be any more traumatic than the dismantlement of the apartheid state. But that is no doubt a question that can be discussed by the latest victims of the burning of the olive groves on the West Bank. Or take the latest opinion poll in Israel's only liberal paper, Ha'aretz: 'Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel' http://www.haaretz.c om/news/national/sur vey-most-israeli-jew s-would-support-apar theid-regime-in-isra el.premium-1.471644? block=true If this doesn't tell Harvey and his supporters something then nothing will. As for ad hominems Harvey, you began them with your attack on my personal relations with my not long deceased father. Clearly you can't take the same. Or as Corporal Jones used to say: 'They don't like it up em sir!' tonygreenstein
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6:45pm Thu 25 Oct 12

harvela says...

Greenstein
There was nothing in my comments that did not come from your own blog obituary to your father .
Greenstein There was nothing in my comments that did not come from your own blog obituary to your father . harvela
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7:07pm Thu 25 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I disagree but I deleted them in any event
I disagree but I deleted them in any event tonygreenstein
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11:35am Fri 26 Oct 12

harvela says...

I screen saved them for posterity and the certainty that you would delete out of shame .
I screen saved them for posterity and the certainty that you would delete out of shame . harvela
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7:14pm Fri 26 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I deleted them because I didn't want u defiling the post, nothing more. You are a worthless maggot for trying to attack a political opponent through the death of his father.

I know some decent Zionists but you are the kind of dirt that one occasionally finds on the underside of one's shoe.
I deleted them because I didn't want u defiling the post, nothing more. You are a worthless maggot for trying to attack a political opponent through the death of his father. I know some decent Zionists but you are the kind of dirt that one occasionally finds on the underside of one's shoe. tonygreenstein
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11:17am Sat 27 Oct 12

harvela says...

Not political opponents Greenstein . I would not debase the noble concept .

You are a thug who spends his days thinking up new ways to spread your malevolent hatred of Israel and to seek its dismantlement .

That makes you an enemy . An enemy of all norms of decency .

You are prepared to align with the worst of antisemites eg Greta Berlin ( your comment already up ) who was even too much for Abuminah - EI .

The buffoon Seymour Alexander even has to remind the rabid antisemite Hardyment to use Zionist and not Jews when she goes off on one of her antisemitic Facebook rants . All recorded and archived .

You cry foul play that I highlighted your disastrous relationship with your long suffering father when the fact is I could have only known about it from your mealey mouthed belated Mea Culpa of an obituary . Your words Greenstein so spare us the crocodile tears .

As for dirty tactics , you the arch traducer know all about dirty tactics .

Did you assist the boys at SPSC politburo put together that disgusting article relating to Saville s visit to Israel circa 1975 and use it to malign Israel .
As if anyone knew about Saville back then . But that s the way you Trots twist things to suit your mendacious cause .

So don't cry over choice of tactics . All bets are off . Everything within the law is acceptable .

If its too hot ,stay out of the kitchen but spare us the bleating . It cuts no ice .
Not political opponents Greenstein . I would not debase the noble concept . You are a thug who spends his days thinking up new ways to spread your malevolent hatred of Israel and to seek its dismantlement . That makes you an enemy . An enemy of all norms of decency . You are prepared to align with the worst of antisemites eg Greta Berlin ( your comment already up ) who was even too much for Abuminah - EI . The buffoon Seymour Alexander even has to remind the rabid antisemite Hardyment to use Zionist and not Jews when she goes off on one of her antisemitic Facebook rants . All recorded and archived . You cry foul play that I highlighted your disastrous relationship with your long suffering father when the fact is I could have only known about it from your mealey mouthed belated Mea Culpa of an obituary . Your words Greenstein so spare us the crocodile tears . As for dirty tactics , you the arch traducer know all about dirty tactics . Did you assist the boys at SPSC politburo put together that disgusting article relating to Saville s visit to Israel circa 1975 and use it to malign Israel . As if anyone knew about Saville back then . But that s the way you Trots twist things to suit your mendacious cause . So don't cry over choice of tactics . All bets are off . Everything within the law is acceptable . If its too hot ,stay out of the kitchen but spare us the bleating . It cuts no ice . harvela
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4:58pm Sat 27 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

You are an utter idiot Harvey. Did I assist people in Scottish PSC to put up an article about Jimmy Saville. I know nothing about such an article, not surprising since I don't live anywhere near Scotland.

Likewise I've made my views clear on Greta Berlin http://azvsas.blogsp
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ta-berlins-racism-ga
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I have never had any hesitation in condemning those who are anti-Semitic on the pro-Palestinian side. Fortunately they are very few in number and I was particularly prominent, as even the Board of Deputies of British Jews spokesman admitted, in combating Gilad Atzmon. Even Alan Dershowitz quoted my attacks on Atzmon so I don't need lessons from someone who has demonstrated arm in arm with the EDL!

When I see you condemning Zionist and Israeli racism - the Jewish only roads in the West Bank, the demolition of Arab (never Jewish) villages and all the other apartheid stuff within Israel then I'll take your protestations about anti-Semitism seriously.

But people in Brighton know that I've spent nearly 40 years opposing fascist groups here. I just don't see why racism against Jews is wrong but racism in the name of Jews is right. Doesn't seem right somehow.

Most decent people, including supporters of the Israeli state, would draw the line at trying to attack someone via their dead father. I had many disagreements with him, but unlike you he was an opponent of the fascism - the British Union of Fascism in particular as he lived through their reign of terror in the East End when your new found Christian Zionist friends were on the other side.

In so far as you think what you are doing is legitimate then that reflects on you not me. I'm not bleating about it because it shows you up for what you are.

One of the Zionist counter-demonstrator
s at Soda Stream today came up to me to apologise for the remarks you have made as he found them equally offensive. I was quite moved by his decency and told him I appreciated his remarks, even though we were on the opposite side of the fence. You Harvey don't wouldn't understand such things because in your rabid Zionism you don't have an ounce of decency.
You are an utter idiot Harvey. Did I assist people in Scottish PSC to put up an article about Jimmy Saville. I know nothing about such an article, not surprising since I don't live anywhere near Scotland. Likewise I've made my views clear on Greta Berlin http://azvsas.blogsp ot.co.uk/2012/10/gre ta-berlins-racism-ga za-freedom.html I have never had any hesitation in condemning those who are anti-Semitic on the pro-Palestinian side. Fortunately they are very few in number and I was particularly prominent, as even the Board of Deputies of British Jews spokesman admitted, in combating Gilad Atzmon. Even Alan Dershowitz quoted my attacks on Atzmon so I don't need lessons from someone who has demonstrated arm in arm with the EDL! When I see you condemning Zionist and Israeli racism - the Jewish only roads in the West Bank, the demolition of Arab (never Jewish) villages and all the other apartheid stuff within Israel then I'll take your protestations about anti-Semitism seriously. But people in Brighton know that I've spent nearly 40 years opposing fascist groups here. I just don't see why racism against Jews is wrong but racism in the name of Jews is right. Doesn't seem right somehow. Most decent people, including supporters of the Israeli state, would draw the line at trying to attack someone via their dead father. I had many disagreements with him, but unlike you he was an opponent of the fascism - the British Union of Fascism in particular as he lived through their reign of terror in the East End when your new found Christian Zionist friends were on the other side. In so far as you think what you are doing is legitimate then that reflects on you not me. I'm not bleating about it because it shows you up for what you are. One of the Zionist counter-demonstrator s at Soda Stream today came up to me to apologise for the remarks you have made as he found them equally offensive. I was quite moved by his decency and told him I appreciated his remarks, even though we were on the opposite side of the fence. You Harvey don't wouldn't understand such things because in your rabid Zionism you don't have an ounce of decency. tonygreenstein
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7:08pm Sat 27 Oct 12

harvela says...

Interesting to note your views on Christian supporters of Israel .
Suggest you tell it to their faces next time .

As for not being aware of the SPSC Saville comment ,do you really expect me to believe that in the knowledge that all provincial psc chapters cross reference back and forth .
Interesting to note your views on Christian supporters of Israel . Suggest you tell it to their faces next time . As for not being aware of the SPSC Saville comment ,do you really expect me to believe that in the knowledge that all provincial psc chapters cross reference back and forth . harvela
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8:23pm Sat 27 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I don't give a toss what you believe. That doesn't change the fact that you are low life Harvey, because only the lowest of the low would attack someone on the basis of their recently deceased father.

I would expect you to understand the point either, since you were clearly not well endowed upstairs.
I don't give a toss what you believe. That doesn't change the fact that you are low life Harvey, because only the lowest of the low would attack someone on the basis of their recently deceased father. I would expect you to understand the point either, since you were clearly not well endowed upstairs. tonygreenstein
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9:19pm Sat 27 Oct 12

harvela says...

As you dissociate yourself from the spsc link , may I take it you condemn it without reservation ?
As you dissociate yourself from the spsc link , may I take it you condemn it without reservation ? harvela
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11:20pm Sat 27 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

I can hardly dissociate myself from something I was never associated with. And I'm not prepared to take your word on the matter either.

Let's see you doing a bit of dissociating. Demolition of Al Arakahb, Jewish only roads on the West Bank, lower welfare benefits for Arabs in Israel, graffitti on churches, attempted lynchings in Jerusalem - real things not articles in the ether.

As I said one of your own counter-demonstrator
s came over today to apologise for your behaviour and I accepted it gracefully, knowing that you have no graces.

In the words of Michael Foot you resemble a semi-house trained polecat, except that the target of this witticism at least had a modicum of intelligence.
I can hardly dissociate myself from something I was never associated with. And I'm not prepared to take your word on the matter either. Let's see you doing a bit of dissociating. Demolition of Al Arakahb, Jewish only roads on the West Bank, lower welfare benefits for Arabs in Israel, graffitti on churches, attempted lynchings in Jerusalem - real things not articles in the ether. As I said one of your own counter-demonstrator s came over today to apologise for your behaviour and I accepted it gracefully, knowing that you have no graces. In the words of Michael Foot you resemble a semi-house trained polecat, except that the target of this witticism at least had a modicum of intelligence. tonygreenstein
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11:43pm Sat 27 Oct 12

harvela says...

Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater. It is a great political mistake that has been made by Greta Berlin but I am happy to let others judge her explanation and for her, if she wishes, to respond
Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater. It is a great political mistake that has been made by Greta Berlin but I am happy to let others judge her explanation and for her, if she wishes, to respond harvela
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12:14am Sun 28 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

yes and? I did let others judge and then I came down decisively in support of those who argued that she was anti-Semitic. Or is looking at the evidence verboten?
yes and? I did let others judge and then I came down decisively in support of those who argued that she was anti-Semitic. Or is looking at the evidence verboten? tonygreenstein
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4:19pm Tue 30 Oct 12

harvela says...

Again ,here you are defending the morally indefensible . As long as it suits the cause , hatred of Israel trumps all other considerations including antisemitism . When did you lose your moral compass ?


http://hurryupharry.
org/2012/01/17/psc-f
ounder-tony-greenste
in-defends-stephen-s
izer-claiming-not-a-
whiff-of-racism/
Again ,here you are defending the morally indefensible . As long as it suits the cause , hatred of Israel trumps all other considerations including antisemitism . When did you lose your moral compass ? http://hurryupharry. org/2012/01/17/psc-f ounder-tony-greenste in-defends-stephen-s izer-claiming-not-a- whiff-of-racism/ harvela
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6:53pm Tue 30 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

Someone who defends jobs for Jews only and dances down the streets with the EDL is in no position to lecture others on a moral compass.

Go bother someone else turnip.
Someone who defends jobs for Jews only and dances down the streets with the EDL is in no position to lecture others on a moral compass. Go bother someone else turnip. tonygreenstein
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11:19pm Tue 30 Oct 12

harvela says...

Tony Greenstein has missed Sizer citing a white supremacist Holocaust denier in his initial book on Christian Zionism, and his hints of 9/11 conspiracy theorising in the same book.

From HP
As with Greta Berlin , you are prepared to overlook overt antisemitism as long as the perpetrator aligns with your hatred of Israel
That makes you an antisemite . Pure and simple . Don't kid yourself you are better than Atzmon . You are no different . At least he admits to what he is unlike you .
Tony Greenstein has missed Sizer citing a white supremacist Holocaust denier in his initial book on Christian Zionism, and his hints of 9/11 conspiracy theorising in the same book. From HP As with Greta Berlin , you are prepared to overlook overt antisemitism as long as the perpetrator aligns with your hatred of Israel That makes you an antisemite . Pure and simple . Don't kid yourself you are better than Atzmon . You are no different . At least he admits to what he is unlike you . harvela
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11:25pm Tue 30 Oct 12

harvela says...

More here

Tony Greenstein has also missed Sizer’s racist theory, that US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton’s criticisms of Israel are based on her desire for revenge against Monica Lewinsky – the Jewish woman with whom Hilary’s husband Bill had an affair.
More here Tony Greenstein has also missed Sizer’s racist theory, that US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton’s criticisms of Israel are based on her desire for revenge against Monica Lewinsky – the Jewish woman with whom Hilary’s husband Bill had an affair. harvela
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11:27pm Tue 30 Oct 12

harvela says...

Finally

And all the other evidence of Sizer’s extremism, pointed out by Rev. Nick Howard in a recent essay.

“Not a whiff of racism“?

Nothing in Sizer’s writings that could “possibly be construed as antisemitic“?

Tony Greenstein claims to oppose antisemitism, and claims the PSC is anti-racist.

How can he be such a staunch opponent of Gilad Atzmon on anti-racist grounds, and not see any cause for concern in Stephen Sizer’s writings and public web activity?

Greenstein cannot even see any reason why people might construe antisemitism to be problematic, in regards to Sizer’s output. I am struggling to see how Greenstein joins up his thinking on anti-racism.

KEYWORDS: antisemitism.
Finally And all the other evidence of Sizer’s extremism, pointed out by Rev. Nick Howard in a recent essay. “Not a whiff of racism“? Nothing in Sizer’s writings that could “possibly be construed as antisemitic“? Tony Greenstein claims to oppose antisemitism, and claims the PSC is anti-racist. How can he be such a staunch opponent of Gilad Atzmon on anti-racist grounds, and not see any cause for concern in Stephen Sizer’s writings and public web activity? Greenstein cannot even see any reason why people might construe antisemitism to be problematic, in regards to Sizer’s output. I am struggling to see how Greenstein joins up his thinking on anti-racism. KEYWORDS: antisemitism. harvela
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11:35pm Tue 30 Oct 12

harvela says...

Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater
Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater harvela
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11:35pm Tue 30 Oct 12

harvela says...

Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater
Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater harvela
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11:38pm Tue 30 Oct 12

harvela says...

Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater

From your blog Greenstein .
Read it and keep reading it .
Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater From your blog Greenstein . Read it and keep reading it . harvela
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12:42am Wed 31 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

Clearly Harvey's got ants in his taxi-driver's pants. Harry's Place is about as reliable as Hitler's Diary!

Nor am I particularly interested in conspiracy theories or theorists. What happpens is always more important. if the weak believe it is a conspiracy they are wrong. The murder of 400 children in Cast Lead is of far greater import than Greta Berlin and Ken O'Keefe.

Yes relieving the siege of Gaza is far more important than the nuttiness of certain individuals. Just as when Zionists fought the Nazis one excuse their bad positions on Palestine. And when Zionists like you Havey demonstrate alongside the EDL we don't ignore it either.

And if Stephen Sizer says that Hilary Clinton’s criticisms of Israel are based on her desire for revenge against Monica Lewinsky, then that may be absurd but I don't see where the anti-Semitism comes in. I didn't even know Lewinsky was Jewish, you learn something every day – even from a failed and rather thick taxi driver.

More to the point Harvey, you are un unadulterated racist who fails to condemn even the most outrageous examples of Zionist and Israeli racism, sees nothing wrong in barring Arabs from jobs in the 'Jewish State', defends the JNF which bars Arabs from 'Jewish' land and is happy at all the other instances of Jewish racism.

That to me is the important issue, not your evidence of conspiracy theorising.
Clearly Harvey's got ants in his taxi-driver's pants. Harry's Place is about as reliable as Hitler's Diary! Nor am I particularly interested in conspiracy theories or theorists. What happpens is always more important. if the weak believe it is a conspiracy they are wrong. The murder of 400 children in Cast Lead is of far greater import than Greta Berlin and Ken O'Keefe. Yes relieving the siege of Gaza is far more important than the nuttiness of certain individuals. Just as when Zionists fought the Nazis one excuse their bad positions on Palestine. And when Zionists like you Havey demonstrate alongside the EDL we don't ignore it either. And if Stephen Sizer says that Hilary Clinton’s criticisms of Israel are based on her desire for revenge against Monica Lewinsky, then that may be absurd but I don't see where the anti-Semitism comes in. I didn't even know Lewinsky was Jewish, you learn something every day – even from a failed and rather thick taxi driver. More to the point Harvey, you are un unadulterated racist who fails to condemn even the most outrageous examples of Zionist and Israeli racism, sees nothing wrong in barring Arabs from jobs in the 'Jewish State', defends the JNF which bars Arabs from 'Jewish' land and is happy at all the other instances of Jewish racism. That to me is the important issue, not your evidence of conspiracy theorising. tonygreenstein
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3:53am Wed 31 Oct 12

harvela says...

Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater
Clearly a part of the FGM, Ken O'Keefe and co. have moved over to an anti-Semitic position. But I also don't want to see it destroyed since the evil it is fighting - Israel's siege - is far greater harvela
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11:23am Wed 31 Oct 12

tonygreenstein says...

Yes it's unfortunate that the reaction to the racism that you defend and support Harvey is to reflect it rather than oppose it. So quoting me or anyone else, whilst natural for someone without an original thought in his head is hardly a substitute.
Yes it's unfortunate that the reaction to the racism that you defend and support Harvey is to reflect it rather than oppose it. So quoting me or anyone else, whilst natural for someone without an original thought in his head is hardly a substitute. tonygreenstein
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12:12pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Goyboy says...

Just in case there are others still reading this and getting fed up with just watching TG and Harvela lobbing insults at each other....I would urge all supporters of Israel who have not succumbed to revisionist history, do not hate Zionism, realise the sacrifices that have taken place in securing a national homeland for the Jewish people and are utterly opposed to negotiation by demand...to come to the Dome on the evening of the 9th Nov and demonstrate not against the BDS and their chums, but demonstrate in support of the nation of Israel, and as a welcome to the Batsheva Ensemble, showing them that they are most welcome in Brighton and the UK.

If you do not have tickets for the performnce inside...come and be part of a peaceful, joyful Supporters performance outside...time for people to take a stand.

Shalom.
Just in case there are others still reading this and getting fed up with just watching TG and Harvela lobbing insults at each other....I would urge all supporters of Israel who have not succumbed to revisionist history, do not hate Zionism, realise the sacrifices that have taken place in securing a national homeland for the Jewish people and are utterly opposed to negotiation by demand...to come to the Dome on the evening of the 9th Nov and demonstrate not against the BDS and their chums, but demonstrate in support of the nation of Israel, and as a welcome to the Batsheva Ensemble, showing them that they are most welcome in Brighton and the UK. If you do not have tickets for the performnce inside...come and be part of a peaceful, joyful Supporters performance outside...time for people to take a stand. Shalom. Goyboy
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1:22pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Dabthirtyfive says...

I would imagine the BDS will gather troops from other places...so they can play smoke and mirrors with their chocolate army. Perhaps we can show them our love by handing them all durian sweets to nibble while they protest ;-)
I would imagine the BDS will gather troops from other places...so they can play smoke and mirrors with their chocolate army. Perhaps we can show them our love by handing them all durian sweets to nibble while they protest ;-) Dabthirtyfive
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9:03pm Sat 10 Nov 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Two points of possible interest.

I remember Tony Greenstein at a meeting of the Labour Party in the early eighties. His irritating interuptions and whole head up his @rse demenour made me realise that any time spent with him was time I would never have back in my life. I did not join the party and I will be eternally grateful to tiny Tony for that.

Secondly the Batsheva at the Dome last night was absolutely amazing. The Nazi protestors were completely sung out of the park. Their older organisers including tiny Tony and the shouty bloke with the megaphone just looked pathetic. Inside the security staff dealt with nutters instantly and removed them in a flash. Pity they were not delivered to the local constabulary for arrest but maybe next time.

See you soon Tone
Two points of possible interest. I remember Tony Greenstein at a meeting of the Labour Party in the early eighties. His irritating interuptions and whole head up his @rse demenour made me realise that any time spent with him was time I would never have back in my life. I did not join the party and I will be eternally grateful to tiny Tony for that. Secondly the Batsheva at the Dome last night was absolutely amazing. The Nazi protestors were completely sung out of the park. Their older organisers including tiny Tony and the shouty bloke with the megaphone just looked pathetic. Inside the security staff dealt with nutters instantly and removed them in a flash. Pity they were not delivered to the local constabulary for arrest but maybe next time. See you soon Tone Dealing with idiots
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9:15pm Sat 10 Nov 12

tonygreenstein says...

The fact that you lace your comments with personal diatribes is proof enough that you have as little to say now as you ever did
The fact that you lace your comments with personal diatribes is proof enough that you have as little to say now as you ever did tonygreenstein
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12:45am Sun 11 Nov 12

Dabthirtyfive says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Two points of possible interest.

I remember Tony Greenstein at a meeting of the Labour Party in the early eighties. His irritating interuptions and whole head up his @rse demenour made me realise that any time spent with him was time I would never have back in my life. I did not join the party and I will be eternally grateful to tiny Tony for that.

Secondly the Batsheva at the Dome last night was absolutely amazing. The Nazi protestors were completely sung out of the park. Their older organisers including tiny Tony and the shouty bloke with the megaphone just looked pathetic. Inside the security staff dealt with nutters instantly and removed them in a flash. Pity they were not delivered to the local constabulary for arrest but maybe next time.

See you soon Tone
I don't think they realised how little it would disrupt Batsheva.

The first person who shouted was so quiet, we hardly realised what was happening. The others were much louder, but it was great seeing the security staff carrying them out by their arms and legs, to boos and whistles from the audience and applause for Batsheva, who simply stood stock still and then carried on afterwards in a highly professional way.

Two people in the row in front of myself started shouting, so a couple of men in the row behind me stood up, leant over and gave them a mighty shove to help them on their way. As they fell over with a crash, the audience applauded heartily at the spectacle.

There was a total sense of camerdarie and togetherness amongst the audience, which was inspiring.

All this happened in the first half. The second half of the show was spectacular. Fast, loud, with lots of audience participation and no interruptions. Whether this was because there were none of them left in the audience I don't know, but the show was so loud and pacey I dont think it would have been possible for them to have been heard.

Personally, I think there were some miscreants still there. but they enjoyed the second part so much they thought they would get their monies worth, sit back and for once keep their mouths shut.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Two points of possible interest. I remember Tony Greenstein at a meeting of the Labour Party in the early eighties. His irritating interuptions and whole head up his @rse demenour made me realise that any time spent with him was time I would never have back in my life. I did not join the party and I will be eternally grateful to tiny Tony for that. Secondly the Batsheva at the Dome last night was absolutely amazing. The Nazi protestors were completely sung out of the park. Their older organisers including tiny Tony and the shouty bloke with the megaphone just looked pathetic. Inside the security staff dealt with nutters instantly and removed them in a flash. Pity they were not delivered to the local constabulary for arrest but maybe next time. See you soon Tone[/p][/quote]I don't think they realised how little it would disrupt Batsheva. The first person who shouted was so quiet, we hardly realised what was happening. The others were much louder, but it was great seeing the security staff carrying them out by their arms and legs, to boos and whistles from the audience and applause for Batsheva, who simply stood stock still and then carried on afterwards in a highly professional way. Two people in the row in front of myself started shouting, so a couple of men in the row behind me stood up, leant over and gave them a mighty shove to help them on their way. As they fell over with a crash, the audience applauded heartily at the spectacle. There was a total sense of camerdarie and togetherness amongst the audience, which was inspiring. All this happened in the first half. The second half of the show was spectacular. Fast, loud, with lots of audience participation and no interruptions. Whether this was because there were none of them left in the audience I don't know, but the show was so loud and pacey I dont think it would have been possible for them to have been heard. Personally, I think there were some miscreants still there. but they enjoyed the second part so much they thought they would get their monies worth, sit back and for once keep their mouths shut. Dabthirtyfive
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12:57am Sun 11 Nov 12

Dabthirtyfive says...

A great article in the Argus tonight, which tells the truth about the protest at Batsheva. 40/50 anti Israeli protesters. 60/70 Pro Israeli supporters.

Quite amazing really, when you think that the Pro Israelis gathered just from Brighton, yet in order for the antis to muster up 40/50 they had to dredge them from the far corners of the UK and even abroad, as the Jordan Valley solidarity group came for their conference this weekend.
What a joke of a conference that must be with about 20 attendees. Almost as laughable as Tom Hickeys University meetings...with seven people attending and all bar one, members of the BDS. Joke.
A great article in the Argus tonight, which tells the truth about the protest at Batsheva. 40/50 anti Israeli protesters. 60/70 Pro Israeli supporters. Quite amazing really, when you think that the Pro Israelis gathered just from Brighton, yet in order for the antis to muster up 40/50 they had to dredge them from the far corners of the UK and even abroad, as the Jordan Valley solidarity group came for their conference this weekend. What a joke of a conference that must be with about 20 attendees. Almost as laughable as Tom Hickeys University meetings...with seven people attending and all bar one, members of the BDS. Joke. Dabthirtyfive
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