Labour win East Brighton by-election (From The Argus)

Well done Joe, a good 2nd :)

there are 456 lunatics roaming around in the east brighton area

worrying

gusset snatcher wrote:
there are 456 lunatics roaming around in the east brighton area

Well I voted Green. I wonder why they utterly failed and corrupt LibLabCon coterie are so desperate to traduce the only viable alternative to their grisly misrule?

Just back from the count. What a landslide for Labour!
The Green Party did nothing there in 2011 but this time Lucas and Kitcat threw the kitchen sink (including Comrade Hawtree) and a supposedly 'local' candidate at it. Result - a complete disaster and something close to the major turning point that lots of us have been longing for. This is the first time the Green Party nonsense in our city has been reversed in a decade and a half. Hoorah! Now let's finish the job.

Martha Gunn wrote:
Just back from the count. What a landslide for Labour!
The Green Party did nothing there in 2011 but this time Lucas and Kitcat threw the kitchen sink (including Comrade Hawtree) and a supposedly 'local' candidate at it. Result - a complete disaster and something close to the major turning point that lots of us have been longing for. This is the first time the Green Party nonsense in our city has been reversed in a decade and a half. Hoorah! Now let's finish the job.

What nonsense the Greens have done well. Let us think of legacy to our children and grandchildren rather than how many 4*4s we can fit into Churchill Square.

RAS Putin wrote:

Martha Gunn wrote:
Just back from the count. What a landslide for Labour!
The Green Party did nothing there in 2011 but this time Lucas and Kitcat threw the kitchen sink (including Comrade Hawtree) and a supposedly 'local' candidate at it. Result - a complete disaster and something close to the major turning point that lots of us have been longing for. This is the first time the Green Party nonsense in our city has been reversed in a decade and a half. Hoorah! Now let's finish the job.

What nonsense the Greens have done well. Let us think of legacy to our children and grandchildren rather than how many 4*4s we can fit into Churchill Square.

Let us ponder over why over 2000 people cast votes for 2 parties that support the benefit culture....Nothing to do with over 2000 people grabbing benefits in that part of Brighton perchance?

26.21% turnout tell me that the calibre of all of your candidates would better suit Zimbabwe.

Fielding an 18 year old? Absolutely mental. At that age the world is there to be discovered and learned about. What on Earth someone with so little experience of the ways of the world bring to the table. I'm sure he's a perfectly decent human being, but experience is something you are not born with.

Excellent news! Over 50% of the vote (such as it was).

The Greens shouldn't be too disappointed. It's a rock-solid Labour area and as the middle-class Greens make the Tories look like the compassionate and caring party they can be quite pleased with 16% of the vote.

Rock solid Labour area? It may have a history of electing Labour councillors but it has a Tory MP and the rest of East Brighton, inc Moulsecoomb, had a Tory councillor until the last election.
If the Tories pitched someone like Dawn Barnett in these areas instead of a small boy, they would take the seats.
However, the Labour gain won't make any difference to council performance because the Tory/labour opposition has completely disappeared and seems to have let the Greens steamroller through the city like economic terrorists.

Martha Gunn wrote:
Just back from the count. What a landslide for Labour!
The Green Party did nothing there in 2011 but this time Lucas and Kitcat threw the kitchen sink (including Comrade Hawtree) and a supposedly 'local' candidate at it. Result - a complete disaster and something close to the major turning point that lots of us have been longing for. This is the first time the Green Party nonsense in our city has been reversed in a decade and a half. Hoorah! Now let's finish the job.

So essentially Labour won by getting 13% or something of the available vote?

74% of people couldn't be bothered to turn out.

Given the demographic of East Brighton it is unthinkable that any party not offering benefits (aka other people's money) would get elected.

So not exactly a triumph. But it does say a lot about the dreadful state of things when so few people can be bothered.

The Greens are only electable here and a couple of other places in the UK. At the last general election, they got 2% of the vote. Even the BNP got 4%. In reality, of all available votes, the Greens get 0. something %,

gusset snatcher wrote:
there are 456 lunatics roaming around in the east brighton area

lol

Every day (and in every way) the people of Brighton working hand-in-hand to SMASH the spiteful, Marxist Green party...

At the May elections in 2011, Labour won by a large majority: the three candidates, all sitting councillors of long standing, polled over 16% of the electorate. At a turnout of 40% of the total voters of over 10,000, nearly 1,845 voted Labour, easily beating the Conservative Party (856) and Green Party (800). The LibDems only fielded two candidates (270) when they could have had three. The Trade Union and Socialists Against Cuts candidate got 142 votes.
This year, the Greens have deflated more than is expected in a sudden by-election.

Good news that the Greens got trounced and beaten by even an 18 year old Tory candidate (who lets face it however bright and dedicated was never going to be taken very seriously). Congratulations to Labour for winning the seat. Roll on the next election. Not much longer until the Greens have been voted out of Brighton and the newly elected candidates can start sweeping up the mess. I wonder if the Green party will survive anywhere in the UK after this - Brighton can be held up as a beacon of what happens when they get in and I doubt many people (apart from possibly their mental health support workers will take them seriously again).

RAS Putin wrote:

Martha Gunn wrote:
Just back from the count. What a landslide for Labour!
The Green Party did nothing there in 2011 but this time Lucas and Kitcat threw the kitchen sink (including Comrade Hawtree) and a supposedly 'local' candidate at it. Result - a complete disaster and something close to the major turning point that lots of us have been longing for. This is the first time the Green Party nonsense in our city has been reversed in a decade and a half. Hoorah! Now let's finish the job.

What nonsense the Greens have done well. Let us think of legacy to our children and grandchildren rather than how many 4*4s we can fit into Churchill Square.

I am more concerned about damage to the environment caused by Caroline 'Brussels' Lucas flying to her beloved EU spiritual homeland once a month, and leader of the Welsh Greens Pippa Bartolotti flying out to Palestine every 5 minutes. Ms. Bartolotti owns SIX cars, including a fuel-guzzling Jaguar.

The Greens only pretend to be concerned about the environment when it doesn't interfere with their personal activities; there is nothing green about frequent flying to Brussels or Gaza, or owning six cars..

sglenister wrote:
26.21% turnout tell me that the calibre of all of your candidates would better suit Zimbabwe.

Fielding an 18 year old? Absolutely mental. At that age the world is there to be discovered and learned about. What on Earth someone with so little experience of the ways of the world bring to the table. I'm sure he's a perfectly decent human being, but experience is something you are not born with.

Good point though he most likely hasn't been corrupted yet either, fair play to the lad for trying!

Looks like a solid performance from Labour, with all the other parties seeing a substantial drop in their share of the vote and Labour keeping most of their votes from last time, despite the significantly lower turn out.

Is this a sign of things to come across out city and maybe the country?

Kate234 wrote:
Good news that the Greens got trounced and beaten by even an 18 year old Tory candidate (who lets face it however bright and dedicated was never going to be taken very seriously). Congratulations to Labour for winning the seat. Roll on the next election. Not much longer until the Greens have been voted out of Brighton and the newly elected candidates can start sweeping up the mess. I wonder if the Green party will survive anywhere in the UK after this - Brighton can be held up as a beacon of what happens when they get in and I doubt many people (apart from possibly their mental health support workers will take them seriously again).

Well the Green's always has a reputation of being a bit wacky and having nonsensical policies even before they got elected in Brighton, but they also now have a reputation as being a bunch of spiteful, hard-Left Marxists (who are more interested in spreading their own hard-Left political ideology rather than serving the people of Brighton).

And yes, you're right; the Greens will never be taken seriously ever again, and come the next election (if not before) the Greens will be slaughtered in the polls.

This is what happens when you allow students to vote in a town that they study in, but have no other affiliation; the Greens have admitted that the student vote was highly important to them, and they were campaigning vigorously on both university campuses before the election.

If we all work together, we can get rid of the Greens for good!

Whatever the result, I think it is a sad reflection on our society and our politics that only 26.1% of voters have bothered to turn out, less than 20% went to a polling station. I should imagine that there are many not even registered to vote. Whatever your political views, there was pretty much a candidate to vote for and no lack of publicity.

East Brighton is not the wealthiest of areas, I would have thought many people there feel quite disenfranchised, but not to vote, even if it is to spoil the ballot paper will not improve things.

I never doubted that Labour would walk it here. It has been a stronghold for more years than I care to remember.

As for fielding youngsters in minor wards, it is standard practice. How else are they to get their baptism of fire. Running a campaign is expensive and time consuming. Aside from that, it is nice to see that younger people are actually willing to step up to the plate.

What is sad is the extremely low turn out. What on earth can be done to vanquish this political apathy?

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

Kate234 wrote: Good news that the Greens got trounced and beaten by even an 18 year old Tory candidate (who lets face it however bright and dedicated was never going to be taken very seriously). Congratulations to Labour for winning the seat. Roll on the next election. Not much longer until the Greens have been voted out of Brighton and the newly elected candidates can start sweeping up the mess. I wonder if the Green party will survive anywhere in the UK after this - Brighton can be held up as a beacon of what happens when they get in and I doubt many people (apart from possibly their mental health support workers will take them seriously again).

Well the Green's always has a reputation of being a bit wacky and having nonsensical policies even before they got elected in Brighton, but they also now have a reputation as being a bunch of spiteful, hard-Left Marxists (who are more interested in spreading their own hard-Left political ideology rather than serving the people of Brighton). And yes, you're right; the Greens will never be taken seriously ever again, and come the next election (if not before) the Greens will be slaughtered in the polls. This is what happens when you allow students to vote in a town that they study in, but have no other affiliation; the Greens have admitted that the student vote was highly important to them, and they were campaigning vigorously on both university campuses before the election. If we all work together, we can get rid of the Greens for good!

Hard-left Marxists = want a few more cycle lanes

Whilst you talk your usual nonsense lets follow your logic...if only students vote Green and it is sufficient to get them elected, then you are in trouble. Why will they vote for you? What have you to offer? A lifetime of debt starting off with £50k+ at university, privitised NHS, permanent job insecurity and low wages, cronyism etc. Thats before we get to the currently unfashionable issue of climate change (it continues apace despite not being in he media), which we have budened them - a new runway at Gatwick is hardly going to cut it . Not a good sell is it?

Can we start a campaign to get a Bus named after Mr Roger French for all he has done to promote and keep Brighton moving. He deserves it more than 90 percent of the others so named.

So just 14% of the electorate determine who represents the ward. And we call this democracy. Our politicians should stop lecturing other countries about being more democratic and fix the problems here.

Why do people keep calling the Greens 'left wing' or 'Marxist'? Some might claim to be and some of their policies might, at first glance, appear to be left-of-centre, but in reality (and in practice) they're a negative, reactionary party full of middle class ex-Liberals.

Vote Labour!

Well done, Labour! The first step on the road to office across the entire nation!

Plantpot wrote:

Martha Gunn wrote: Just back from the count. What a landslide for Labour! The Green Party did nothing there in 2011 but this time Lucas and Kitcat threw the kitchen sink (including Comrade Hawtree) and a supposedly 'local' candidate at it. Result - a complete disaster and something close to the major turning point that lots of us have been longing for. This is the first time the Green Party nonsense in our city has been reversed in a decade and a half. Hoorah! Now let's finish the job.

So essentially Labour won by getting 13% or something of the available vote? 74% of people couldn't be bothered to turn out. Given the demographic of East Brighton it is unthinkable that any party not offering benefits (aka other people's money) would get elected. So not exactly a triumph. But it does say a lot about the dreadful state of things when so few people can be bothered.

you are very rude about people who live in E Brighton, and people generally who vote labour or green.

I see that the lib-dem vote was very very low. Haha.

I do agree with the writer on the poor turnout.

Why hasn't anyone thanked the Green Party for taking all those Labour voters to the polls yesterday?
The sight of the Green Party pashmina-clad Islington yummy mummy trying to negotiate Whitehawk was hilarious.

I understand they had little chance of winning but putting a first year student from Watford as a candidate for an area that has some serious problems is shameful.

Poccypoc wrote:
Well done, Labour! The first step on the road to office across the entire nation!

So less than 15% vote Labour in a safe Labour seat (which of course means that more than 85% didn't vote Labour and you think that means Wallace and Millibandwagon is going to win in a general election. The ale in your local must be strong

Nothing brings joy to my heart than to see the Green party getting crushed in the polls.

Have a look at Pippa Bartolotti's (leader of Welsh Greens) website; she says that Greens consider border controls to be racist and that imprisoning criminals is detrimental to their 'Ooman Rights'.

The Greens are a joke; thank God they will be gone soon, with no chance of them gaining power ever again...

Well done Labour.......get these silver spoon tories out..people are saying it was a poor turnout, imagine how many votes Labour would have received if the turn out had been better....onwards and upwards.
NUMBER SIX....the Ale in my local...IS strong and after last nights result I will be drinking more of it....hic hic.

Well done Labour. A resounding victory with the electorate proving they wholeheartedly don't trust greens and Liberals. Those two parties will be history come the next election and Lucas can fly back to brussels and fade into obscurity.

Poccypoc wrote:
Well done, Labour! The first step on the road to office across the entire nation!

God help us all.

Poccypoc wrote:
Well done, Labour! The first step on the road to office across the entire nation!

Hear hear! I trust Miliband E much more than CaMORON or Clogg. Well done Chaun on a great campaign!

I hope that the people of East Brighton are well represented by Chaun Wilson. In my experience there are many decent Labour Party councillors, they are after all, supporting many Green Party initiatives. The problem to me seems to be that most of them are in the wrong party. The Labour Party that most people think they are voting for effectively died a long time ago. Natonally, they aspire to most of the same policies, economic and political ideas as the Liberals and the Coservatives. 13 years of Labour rule prove my point and Milliband just seems to be more of the same.

As for all this middle class Greens mumbo jumbo, who benefitted most from the Labour government? The super rich!

The Argus.....why are you not allowing comments on the story about the travellers parking in sainsburys car park.
It is about time the police started checking these people, they park wherever they want to, with disrespect to any other person...now lets look closely at them, they have t.v. aerials on their caravans, but I guess they do not hold a t.v. licence, as the licence refers to an address, also look at the nice vehicles they drive around in, when you buy a vehicle you have to register that vehicle to an address on the registration form. so how do they get away with this.

The Argos....Sarah Booker, thank you for replying( by e-mail) to my question above re:- comments on travellers parked in sainsburys car park.
I fully understand, and agree with your reasons...once again thank you.

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

Kate234 wrote: Good news that the Greens got trounced and beaten by even an 18 year old Tory candidate (who lets face it however bright and dedicated was never going to be taken very seriously). Congratulations to Labour for winning the seat. Roll on the next election. Not much longer until the Greens have been voted out of Brighton and the newly elected candidates can start sweeping up the mess. I wonder if the Green party will survive anywhere in the UK after this - Brighton can be held up as a beacon of what happens when they get in and I doubt many people (apart from possibly their mental health support workers will take them seriously again).

Well the Green's always has a reputation of being a bit wacky and having nonsensical policies even before they got elected in Brighton, but they also now have a reputation as being a bunch of spiteful, hard-Left Marxists (who are more interested in spreading their own hard-Left political ideology rather than serving the people of Brighton). And yes, you're right; the Greens will never be taken seriously ever again, and come the next election (if not before) the Greens will be slaughtered in the polls. This is what happens when you allow students to vote in a town that they study in, but have no other affiliation; the Greens have admitted that the student vote was highly important to them, and they were campaigning vigorously on both university campuses before the election. If we all work together, we can get rid of the Greens for good!

Total Population of Brighton and Hove: 250K

Total Proportion of population as students: 10.1%

(Source: 2001 Census)

Therefore, total number of students across the 3 B&H constituencies: 25K

Assume an even spread, therefore Brighton Pavilion total students: 8K

Adjust upwards due to location of main universities: assume student population in Brighton Pavilion: 16K

Voting number for Brighton Pavilion & turnout:


Green: 16.2K
Labour: 14.9K
Cons: 12.2K
Lib Dem: 7.1K

(Source: Guardian Politics)

So, for the Greens to be in power solely because of students, as you and others continually claim, would require 100% of students to turn out and vote 100% Green, assuming my upwards adjustment of the student population is accurate.

Even with 100% turn-out of the student population and and equal student vote of 50/50 Green & Labour, it would require at least 8K non-student residents to vote Green ie 50% of the votes cast.

The numbers simpley don't support the argument that Brighton Pavilion was won by the Greens solely on the student vote, especially when total turn-out was 70% and assuming student turn-out is no higher or lower. If it were true, it would require the total Green/student votes cast to exceed the total number of students living in that constituency.

I don't deny the student vote was important and probably helped the Greens beat Labour, but you ignore that the stats appear to indicate that the Greens won on what appears to be a 50% student/50% non-student vote, with the proporition of non-student vote likely to be much higher.

For the record, I do not vote Green

RickH wrote:

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

Kate234 wrote: Good news that the Greens got trounced and beaten by even an 18 year old Tory candidate (who lets face it however bright and dedicated was never going to be taken very seriously). Congratulations to Labour for winning the seat. Roll on the next election. Not much longer until the Greens have been voted out of Brighton and the newly elected candidates can start sweeping up the mess. I wonder if the Green party will survive anywhere in the UK after this - Brighton can be held up as a beacon of what happens when they get in and I doubt many people (apart from possibly their mental health support workers will take them seriously again).

Well the Green's always has a reputation of being a bit wacky and having nonsensical policies even before they got elected in Brighton, but they also now have a reputation as being a bunch of spiteful, hard-Left Marxists (who are more interested in spreading their own hard-Left political ideology rather than serving the people of Brighton). And yes, you're right; the Greens will never be taken seriously ever again, and come the next election (if not before) the Greens will be slaughtered in the polls. This is what happens when you allow students to vote in a town that they study in, but have no other affiliation; the Greens have admitted that the student vote was highly important to them, and they were campaigning vigorously on both university campuses before the election. If we all work together, we can get rid of the Greens for good!

Total Population of Brighton and Hove: 250K

Total Proportion of population as students: 10.1%

(Source: 2001 Census)

Therefore, total number of students across the 3 B&H constituencies: 25K

Assume an even spread, therefore Brighton Pavilion total students: 8K

Adjust upwards due to location of main universities: assume student population in Brighton Pavilion: 16K

Voting number for Brighton Pavilion & turnout:


Green: 16.2K
Labour: 14.9K
Cons: 12.2K
Lib Dem: 7.1K

(Source: Guardian Politics)

So, for the Greens to be in power solely because of students, as you and others continually claim, would require 100% of students to turn out and vote 100% Green, assuming my upwards adjustment of the student population is accurate.

Even with 100% turn-out of the student population and and equal student vote of 50/50 Green & Labour, it would require at least 8K non-student residents to vote Green ie 50% of the votes cast.

The numbers simpley don't support the argument that Brighton Pavilion was won by the Greens solely on the student vote, especially when total turn-out was 70% and assuming student turn-out is no higher or lower. If it were true, it would require the total Green/student votes cast to exceed the total number of students living in that constituency.

I don't deny the student vote was important and probably helped the Greens beat Labour, but you ignore that the stats appear to indicate that the Greens won on what appears to be a 50% student/50% non-student vote, with the proporition of non-student vote likely to be much higher.

For the record, I do not vote Green

There are nearer to 275,000 people living in the City and that Statistic is from the Council Offices this week.

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Every day (and in every way) the people of Brighton working hand-in-hand to SMASH the spiteful, Marxist Green party...

Nothing Marxist about the Greens. Marxism is an Industrial theory with a fair distribution of wealth that industry creates. Nothing to do with elitist middle class eco-fascists.

Congratulations to the Labour Party. And congrats to the young Tory candidate. I am not a fan of the Tories, but I do like it that they give youngsters a chance to stand!
Am so glad that the Greens had a bad turnout. They have really no clue about real life, I hold them responsible for the parking chaos in Brighton. Greens, look to the German Greens, they are realistic. And not as pretentious Ideologists.

Plantpot wrote:

Martha Gunn wrote:
Just back from the count. What a landslide for Labour!
The Green Party did nothing there in 2011 but this time Lucas and Kitcat threw the kitchen sink (including Comrade Hawtree) and a supposedly 'local' candidate at it. Result - a complete disaster and something close to the major turning point that lots of us have been longing for. This is the first time the Green Party nonsense in our city has been reversed in a decade and a half. Hoorah! Now let's finish the job.

So essentially Labour won by getting 13% or something of the available vote?

74% of people couldn't be bothered to turn out.

Given the demographic of East Brighton it is unthinkable that any party not offering benefits (aka other people's money) would get elected.

So not exactly a triumph. But it does say a lot about the dreadful state of things when so few people can be bothered.

Yawn, I am so bored with people assuming everyone from East Brighton or Whitehawk, as you are clearly assuming this is the only area within the East Brighton Ward (which it is not), is a benefit scrounger. Change the record.

HJarrs wrote:
Whatever the result, I think it is a sad reflection on our society and our politics that only 26.1% of voters have bothered to turn out, less than 20% went to a polling station. I should imagine that there are many not even registered to vote. Whatever your political views, there was pretty much a candidate to vote for and no lack of publicity.

East Brighton is not the wealthiest of areas, I would have thought many people there feel quite disenfranchised, but not to vote, even if it is to spoil the ballot paper will not improve things.

I agree with you. When I went to vote yesterday I overheard that I was the first person from my street to vote and I imagine the last. I find it very disheartening. I am moving from the area in two months but I refuse to waste my right to vote, a right that people had to fight for. Thinking about the neighbours we have though and their mentalities, unfortunately, this figure isn't surprising!

cookie_brighton wrote:
The Argos....Sarah Booker, thank you for replying( by e-mail) to my question above re:- comments on travellers parked in sainsburys car park.
I fully understand, and agree with your reasons...once again thank you.

Any chance of making these reasons public ?

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

RAS Putin wrote:

Martha Gunn wrote:
Just back from the count. What a landslide for Labour!
The Green Party did nothing there in 2011 but this time Lucas and Kitcat threw the kitchen sink (including Comrade Hawtree) and a supposedly 'local' candidate at it. Result - a complete disaster and something close to the major turning point that lots of us have been longing for. This is the first time the Green Party nonsense in our city has been reversed in a decade and a half. Hoorah! Now let's finish the job.

What nonsense the Greens have done well. Let us think of legacy to our children and grandchildren rather than how many 4*4s we can fit into Churchill Square.

I am more concerned about damage to the environment caused by Caroline 'Brussels' Lucas flying to her beloved EU spiritual homeland once a month, and leader of the Welsh Greens Pippa Bartolotti flying out to Palestine every 5 minutes. Ms. Bartolotti owns SIX cars, including a fuel-guzzling Jaguar.

The Greens only pretend to be concerned about the environment when it doesn't interfere with their personal activities; there is nothing green about frequent flying to Brussels or Gaza, or owning six cars..

Now I agree with almost everything you say and am very happy to see the Greens get done over in the by election.

However, my Jag is not gas guzzling, in fact it is relatively light on emissions, and has a low road tax bill,so I can't let that part of your comment pass. Also I do not have 6 cars, how does she get away with it ?