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Comment: Should tobacco be on display?

12:38pm Thursday 7th August 2008

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By Siobhan Ryan »

The public is being consulted on new proposals to restrict tobacco advertising. Proposals include removing branding and logos from packaging, a minimum pack size of 20 and banning displays of cigarettes in shops.

But will it work? Health reporter Siobhan Ryan seeks the views of two people on either side of the debate.

FOR

Kate Lawson, tobacco control co-ordinator at Brighton and Hove City Primary Care Trust

Although the trust has helped about 8,000 people in Brighton and Hove give up smoking in the past few years, there are still large numbers of young people taking up the habit.

This is partly why a consultation has been launched to find ways of making cigarettes less attractive to people and less accessible and why we are looking at things like removing vending machines.

Only 1% of cigarettes are bought from vending machines yet that figure rises to 17 per cent for young people.

It is difficult for pubs and clubs to monitor their use as they are self-service.

The choice is either to police them better by placing them next to a bar or get rid of them altogether.

Another option is to place cigarettes in plain packaging with a plain black font, making them less interesting.

With some brands it only takes a colour for someone to know what brand it is.

Other issues include having them sold from under the counter. Having them out of sight could help them be out of mind as well.

The converse argument is that will make them appear more interesting and exciting but it is something that we want to look at.

The other argument is to sell in packs of 20 instead of ten as most young people can only afford the smaller packets.

Will that put them off or will they club together to buy a larger packet? It is all part of the debate.

Personally, I would like to see a ban across the board.

If a young person sees their family smoking and then goes out and sees cigarettes advertised everywhere then they will eventually see it as a social norm.

That is something we are trying to avoid.

Although we support people when they want to give up smoking our main focus is to try to stop them smoking in the first place.

Research has shown that smoking is highest among those who earn the least – and so we will continue to target our efforts on those areas where there is higher deprivation.

Anything that can help someone avoid taking up smoking in the first place has to be welcome.

AGAINST

Mumtaz Manji, a former nurse, has worked at Boulevard News in Crawley for almost ten years

I am totally anti-smoking, but believe the measures being proposed are bad news for businesses and will not make any difference in the long term.

Cigarettes are one of the things newsagents are most associated with and they are an important part of our business.

We are already competing against big supermarkets and out-of-town stores and so we rely on passing trade.

The actual profit from one packet of cigarettes is not that high but people will come in for a packet and buy other things as well. It all adds up.

If people walk in and don’t see any signs for cigarettes they may assume we don’t sell them and look elsewhere.

I appreciate that what some people are trying to do is stop children from smoking but to be honest, taking cigarettes off the front counter and putting them underneath is not going to make any difference.

You only have to see how young people try to ask adults to buy cigarettes or alcohol for them to know they will always find a way.

If they really want to get hold of cigarettes then whether they are on display or not will not have any effect.

As a nurse I have done research into why people take up smoking and time after time it is down to parental influence and peer pressure.

If a young child has two parents who chain smoke openly in front of them then the chances are they are going to be interested themselves.

The real focus should be on educating and spelling out exactly what the dangers of smoking are and explain the rationale behind it. Then people will make their choices.

The only way to stop a person from smoking is if they really want to.

Personally, I don’t think selling cigarettes under the counter will stop young people smoking. It is the traders who will lose out and in the current economic climate we cannot afford to lose any more trade.

Tobacco is a legal product so why shouldn’t my adult customers see the range on offer and their prices?

What do you think? Tell us below.


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81972a, Worthing says...
3:35pm Thu 7 Aug 08

What a load of Rubbish. I don't smoke, and i have never smoked. I watched Formula 1 for years with all the advertising and branding that used to be everywhere. And i never felt the need to smoke. Baning the advertising and making it more Taboo is just going to increase its street cred value. Kids start because they think it makes them cool - you learna t school it is bad, they just want to rebel.

Gee Jay, Derbyshire says...
7:33am Fri 8 Aug 08

I totally agree with the previous comment. It has now become so politically correct to been seen to persue all smokers off the face of the earth. I was a smoker up until 20 years ago, and gave up of my own free will. If anyone had been putting pressure on me to stop smoking, I probably would not have stopped so readily. O.K. so it's not good for you, and many people smoke who could do with the money they spend on it being spent on a healthy diet or a healthier lifestyle, but you won't cure the problem of people starting to smoke by putting the products in plain packs, or taking them off display. Do you see crack cocaine, in bright packets or on dispaly anywhere? and yet some people are still tempted to try it.
Just remember this.....No family home was ever lost, no children were ever beaten, no wives/partners were ever abused/beaten as a result of their husbands or partners coming home after a night out smoking.
We should be concentrating on alcohol and drug abuse well before we put any more money and resources into anti-smoking measures. If the Government put half of the revenue collected from tobacco duty into reducing alcohol and drug abuse, then maybe our streets would be safer and our A & E departments would not have to put up with the violence and abuse that they have to deal with every Friday and Saturday night. Have you ever thought why many nurses smoke? Just go into an A&E department, and you will see the stress that drug and alcohol related cases put them under, while the 'suits' swan around putting in new 'procedures' and 'systems'.

Just get a sense of proportion please, and start spending rax payers money more wisely!!!!!



disgruntledHove, hove says...
11:10am Fri 8 Aug 08

There was a time when Playboy etc were kept behind the counter ..it didn't stop people buying them. I believe sales have plummeted since being on the shelves.
Smokers will smoke. Will we be hiding all the drink as well. Then there are all the 'obesity foods' that will need to be hidden. It will be Argos style shopping for everything soon..all wrapped discreetly in brown paper. Why should shops have to cow tow to a percentage of teenagers who want to smoke and will probably not contribute towards society at any time in their lives.
Pathetic!
When l started smoking, it was not as a result of advertising or shop displays.I lived in a country with no TV and the shops were miles away and cigarettes hardly visible in the multitude of goods sold in the same shop. I didn't care which brand l smoked..it was just a teenage thing to do.

Lawson-land, Brighton says...
11:30pm Fri 8 Aug 08

A year or so ago I took my kids into WH Smiths in Churchill Square, Brighton and we went to the lower level to spend their gift vouchers on the kids book section. At the checkout, I was gob-smacked to find that a huge cigarette counter had been installed.
I requested and spoke to the manager and I expressed my concerns. His reply was that what the public wants is what the public gets - we havent been back since...

Gee Jay, Derbyshire says...
10:34pm Sat 9 Aug 08

So you didn't take offence at the soft **** lads mags or the offensive greetings cards then? Or the offensive language your children would have no doubt heard in public areas on their way to the shop. Or the litter dropped within metres of litter bins then?

Get a sense of proportion PLEASE!!!


Scorpion, Newhaven says...
12:39pm Mon 11 Aug 08

Actually Gee Jay, you could say that homes have been lost due to cigarrette ends and matches that havent been put out. While I take your point that drug and alcohol abuse have much more immediate effects, the effects of nicotine addiction can be just as traumatic - ask anyone who's tried to give up. Yes, I understand doctors and nurses smoke. Nicot-amide may well give you some stress relief at the cost of introducing thousands of other chemicals into your system. Its a very poor way to take stress relief drugs.

However, your point is well made about A&E depts and the weekend syndrome of abuse.

However, if you look at the statistics it is mainly young people who smoke. With older age groups the percentage is less. Wny? Well very probably because smoking causes early deaths ... so perhaps the government is wasting money and we should just let smoking take its course ... its clearly dieing out.

Issac Hunt, Brighton says...
4:38pm Mon 11 Aug 08

Smoking is a serious addiction and a serious killer. People smoke despite knowing the risks, and despite being aware that they are at the very least shortening their lives. It is very few people that have a natural immunity to the effects of filling their lungs up with toxins and poisons. Some have, which is why you occasionally hear of a 95yo who smokes 40 a day.

As smokers are already aware of the almost certain early death that awaits them, does anyone seriously believe that altering packaging, or putting them under the counter in a shop will convince users to give up??? Even if the government banned them totally, they would be smuggled in from europe.

Dont waste time and money on this - if people are prepared to kill themselves by smoking, this wont stop them.

Two of my friends have died from the effects of smoking, and it didnt matter what i said, they still carried on doing it.

davyboy, abingdon, oxon says...
10:37pm Mon 11 Aug 08

i don't have a problem with people smoking, BUT, if it can be proved that smoking caused disease requiring hospital treatment, then these people should be made to pay for their treatment. smoking is anti-social, and it makes everything stink. cigarettes will never be banned, or put under the counter, and whatever the price people will still buy them. proper adverts showing diseased lungs and hearts are a surefire way of bringing the message home, but probably not be allowed as it would upset someone.

Gee Jay, Derbyshire says...
7:39am Tue 12 Aug 08

In reply to Scorpion of Newhaven. I accept many of the points you have made, however there are far more homes lost through fires from chip pans. This is a pointer to the fact that in many homes the fried food diet is king. Most fire caused by a lighted cigarette are because the smoker has had more that they should have had to drink and dropped asleep. We need to do more to educate people into healthier eating.
Statistics show that a slowly decreasing number of young people take up smoking. Initially many teenagers take it up in an attempt to appear more 'adult'. Many teenage girls take it up in an attempt to keep their weight down, but would do better to look at their diet and alcohol intake, as this could have a more positive effect.
The stats. regarding the reducing numbers of older people smoking could be that when we are in our teens and twenties, we think we are invincible and old age is so far away that we take risks with our health and many other things in life. When we reach 40 we begin to realise that,perhaps, we might only have 20 or 30 years left, so we begin to look after ourselves a little more, we want to see our families growing up, and be able to spend some time with any grandchildren we may have. Life has taught most of us many lessons by the age of 40, and we know that smoking is no good for you and we have more control of our lives, including more will-power to kick the habit.
Education about a healthier style of living is the answer,concerning smoking, diet, exercise and alcohol, and accept that kids will be kids, and most will 'try' smoking and alcohol whether we like it or not.
Taking cigarettes and tobacco off of display in shops will have no effect, but to cause more unwanted expense and inconvenience to the retail trade.






Loki, hove says...
8:35pm Wed 13 Aug 08

Anal Anti smokers make me laugh so much, especially when they pretend to be choking to death 20 meters away but seam to be just fine when walking along the road with all the buses, cars and lorries spitting out more deadlier chemicals. Also i take great delight in going to pubs now as all them anal lifeless complainers have to sit inside because they cant take it as its just tooo much for them to sit withing a mile of a smoker. We smokers on the other hand have taken control of the great outdoors and are enjoying the warmth of the sunshine. Thanks anti's for freeing up the good spots. You guys have fun inside wont you :) if you know what fun is!! You guys dont smoke so why on earth what other people do is any of your concern is beond me. If passive smoking is a problem for your health then you had better stay in your oxygen bubble at home as the outside world contains far more dangers than you could ever imagine. And dont drive as your car contains leathel levels of cm and its only a few foot from you. Have fun and live and let live.

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