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6:03am Friday 7th May 2010 in News
Caroline Lucas became Britain's first Green Party MP after winning the Brighton Pavilion seat.
With 16,238 votes, she beat Labour's Nancy Platts into second place, and the Conservative candidate Charlotte Vere into third.
The result was first announced on our liveblog, which you can read at the bottom of this story.
The Argus is producing a special election edition to mark this historic event, which will be available in these shops from about 11am this morning.
Have your say about Caroline Lucas's victory and the rest of the Sussex results in the comments below.
After the results were announced, Ms Lucas said: "Today the people of Brighton Pavilion have made history by electing Britain's first Green MP to Westminster.
"Thank you so much for putting the politics of hope above the politics of fear and I pledge that I will do my very best to do you proud.
"For once the word historic fits the bill."
She told The Argus: "“The emphatic support of the people of Brighton Pavilion has shown that they are prepared to put their trust in the Greens.
“I feel humbled by their trust in me and am looking forward to the challenging task of representing the people of Brighton Pavilion as their MP."
Meanwhile, Mike Weatherley and Simon Kirby took Hove and Brighton Kempton respectively for the Tories.
This means Labour lost not only all their Brighton and Hove seats, but with the loss of Crawley and Hastings & Rye they have no seats left in Sussex.
Click here for a full list of constituency results - as of 6.10am, only Worthing East and Worthing West are left to come in.
Comments(130)
poups
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6:35am Fri 7 May 10
TheInsider
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6:48am Fri 7 May 10
Tye
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6:49am Fri 7 May 10
Kevin1978
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6:57am Fri 7 May 10
Bennn
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7:14am Fri 7 May 10
TheInsider wrote:I agree. I really thought that Simon Burgess would get in. I can't believe Kirby has just been elected. He was invisible around Kemptown and is lucky that Brighton Kemptown includes places like Rottingdean and Peacehaven.
This lady is not in my constituency, but she is a very hard-working politician so the people of the Pavilion are very lucky.
Not sure the people of Kemptown have got a good deal with Kirby. I am not sure a multi-millionaire with kids at private school, who dropped his double barrelled name in the hope of sounding more ordinary, can really understand the challenges ordinary families face. I am still trying to find out if he uses the NHS or goes private.
longman
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7:16am Fri 7 May 10
Bobfm
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7:40am Fri 7 May 10
jeremy radvan
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8:10am Fri 7 May 10
prestonrevoltII
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8:14am Fri 7 May 10
Patrick Mustard
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8:43am Fri 7 May 10
Kevin1978 wrote:Absolutely. I knew there were a lot of idealist student morons in this part of the city but didn't realise that they could be quite so shortsighted. I am surprised they managed to put down their spliffs for long enough to get out and vote.
Her victory is down to the thousands of students in Brighton Pavillion voting for her. How ironic that we now have an MP who doesn't serve the real interests of the permanent residents of this constituency. The majority of residents in the suburbs have no interest in her ideas whatsoever. The roving voters of the centre, who have no legitimacy here, continue to strangle Brighton Pavillion.
CliveA
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8:58am Fri 7 May 10
acdcvelocity
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9:12am Fri 7 May 10
Gaz the great
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9:13am Fri 7 May 10
greegster
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9:13am Fri 7 May 10
greegster
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9:14am Fri 7 May 10
greegster wrote:This result typifies what happens when everyone makes the mistake of trying to waste their vote.Now,get out your cars and get on the bus.
This result typifies what happens when everyone males the mistake of trying to waste their vote.Now,get out your cars and get on the bus.
PaulOckenden
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9:20am Fri 7 May 10
Andy R
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9:24am Fri 7 May 10
CliveA wrote:Oh it's worse than that. According to some people posting here, the Greens will "have us all living in caves" (what caves would those be?), and they will "ban the motor car". Oh, and I almost forgot, they are going to murder all the 4X4 drivers in their beds this weekend.
Bobfm says: "you will all be riding bikes". Crikey Bob. Can you imagine anything more dreadful?
I Can See the Sea!
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9:31am Fri 7 May 10
Nyberg
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9:33am Fri 7 May 10
contentedmummy
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9:35am Fri 7 May 10
Patrick Mustard wrote:Not sure where you've got your info from? My experience of canvassing was that many students weren't registered to vote in Brighton P. Plus many of them were so impressed with Clegg on the leaders debates they were planning on voting yellow. The Green voters I spoke to yesterday were from all walks of life. This result proves what can be done with committed, hard-working party volunteers gaining over 7000 votes since the last election to get in. That's a job well done.
Kevin1978 wrote: Her victory is down to the thousands of students in Brighton Pavillion voting for her. How ironic that we now have an MP who doesn't serve the real interests of the permanent residents of this constituency. The majority of residents in the suburbs have no interest in her ideas whatsoever. The roving voters of the centre, who have no legitimacy here, continue to strangle Brighton Pavillion.Absolutely. I knew there were a lot of idealist student morons in this part of the city but didn't realise that they could be quite so shortsighted. I am surprised they managed to put down their spliffs for long enough to get out and vote.
ladwebslinger
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9:44am Fri 7 May 10
Nyberg
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9:45am Fri 7 May 10
acdcvelocity wrote:There is still the possibility that the Lib Dems may ally themselves with Labour. No one can be sure until all the results are in and we know the numbers for certain. But at the moment it is quite possible that a Lib/Lab alliance could deny Cameron victory.
What has happened is that Labour have well and truly lost their government power over the UK which is wonderful news. As for Brown, he will be gone within a week and not a moment too soon. Cameron will be the Prime Minister but at a price of concession to the Lib Dems and Others. This might work but I suspect a new election will happen within 12 months.
Brighton Steve
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9:54am Fri 7 May 10
jeremy radvan
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9:54am Fri 7 May 10
ladwebslinger wrote:I think a sense of proportion is called for here. You have voted for one candidate who was lucky enough to be elected on a tiny majority. Congratulations to the Green Party and well done Ms Lucas, but you have not elected someone who will have the slightest influence on national policy.
Wonderful news for Brighton. I'm not s student, I don't like carrot juice, nor, tree-hugging and I've been known to take an aeroplane. But I voted (and campaigned for CL) because I DO like: equality, fairness (rise in pensions and minimum wage) and policies that think not of a select few but of the entire planet. Well done Caroline, and well done Brighton!
Spanners
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9:58am Fri 7 May 10
contentedmummy wrote:Absolutley agree - for example many people at my place of work voted for her across a range of ages and backgrounds. I fully reject the idea that it was all down to students.. As I live in Hove i did not vote for her but she is a hard working politician and not just a "tree-hugger" as other's rather outdated impression of the Green party (parties can change - just look at Labour!). Personally, I would not want a Green majority in government but one Green MP in pariliament can only be a good thing. Those who say the B*P would be better scare me
Patrick Mustard wrote:Not sure where you've got your info from? My experience of canvassing was that many students weren't registered to vote in Brighton P. Plus many of them were so impressed with Clegg on the leaders debates they were planning on voting yellow. The Green voters I spoke to yesterday were from all walks of life. This result proves what can be done with committed, hard-working party volunteers gaining over 7000 votes since the last election to get in. That's a job well done.Kevin1978 wrote: Her victory is down to the thousands of students in Brighton Pavillion voting for her. How ironic that we now have an MP who doesn't serve the real interests of the permanent residents of this constituency. The majority of residents in the suburbs have no interest in her ideas whatsoever. The roving voters of the centre, who have no legitimacy here, continue to strangle Brighton Pavillion.Absolutely. I knew there were a lot of idealist student morons in this part of the city but didn't realise that they could be quite so shortsighted. I am surprised they managed to put down their spliffs for long enough to get out and vote.
ladwebslinger
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10:05am Fri 7 May 10
Nyberg
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10:16am Fri 7 May 10
Mrb-side wrote:'Over run with immigrants'. Get a sense of proportion.
Bennn wrote: It's on days like today that I feel proud to live in Brighton. Well done Ms Lucas!You lot are off your heads if you think this is a good thing!! Tree Hugging, Spliff smoking wastes of space!! B * P would be a better vote for an area that is over run with immigrants that take the majority of council houses etc and leave Brightonians who have children and can be bothered to work having to rent privately..... Oh thats right we're green now, lets camp in the level!! Joke
Angryoldman
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10:17am Fri 7 May 10
HJarrs
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10:34am Fri 7 May 10
RoddyG
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10:43am Fri 7 May 10
Old Dog
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10:46am Fri 7 May 10
HJarrs
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11:12am Fri 7 May 10
RoddyG wrote:Last night I talked to several green party members and supporters who live in Kemptown and Hove. They had voted Labour to unsuccessfully keep the conservative candidates out. Unfortunately our voting system makes it almost impossible for the candidates of smaller parties to break through or show their true support, which makes the election of Caroline Lucas all the more remarkable.
The Greens went backwards in Hove and Kemptown. Is Lucas a one trick pony for them?
Bobfm
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11:31am Fri 7 May 10
miriamy
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11:53am Fri 7 May 10
Bennn
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11:57am Fri 7 May 10
PeteBrighton
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12:35pm Fri 7 May 10
Anna10
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12:44pm Fri 7 May 10
HoveAlone
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12:45pm Fri 7 May 10
virtuoso
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12:54pm Fri 7 May 10
roast
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1:02pm Fri 7 May 10
DoWeHavTo
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1:06pm Fri 7 May 10
Bennn
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1:18pm Fri 7 May 10
roast wrote:Oh because one extra Labour or Tory MP would have made a hell of a difference wouldn't it! Instead of having 256 MPs or whatever they would have 257. Big deal. Caroline Lucas will be a different and precious voice. From Montreal to Paris loads of international newspapers are talking about her victory. She has really put Brighton on the map.
I wouldn’t worry, I doubt one seat will have any impact, total waste of a vote. Well done Brighton for electing a pointless party.
spanzo
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1:33pm Fri 7 May 10
jeremy radvan
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1:53pm Fri 7 May 10
ladwebslinger wrote:I was simply asking for a sense of proportion.
Jeremy says, "you have not elected someone who will have the slightest influence on national policy.'' In the context of a hung parliament this is patently not true. Moreover, CL will make an excellent local MP. Sometimes you have to go with your principles, not just consider how it will affect the national picture. And the people of Brighton Pavilion have proven they are principled, and did not succumb to the politics of fear.
Andy R
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2:04pm Fri 7 May 10
HoveAlone wrote:Who appointed you spokesman for the people of Hove all of a sudden? I think you'll find that while you were looking down your tweedy nose, Hove was actually losing the twinset and pearls and moving into the 21st century.
What an absolute waste of a vote. This is typical of thicko bohemian Brighton which is why I will never live there, and have a very low opinion of the place. What a joke Brighton, you should be ashamed of yourself to have voted for a party that has no real credibility in goverment. Thank god I live in Hove and thank god the lefties are well and truly out of our town! Now all we need to do is seperate from this silly council so we can leave 'Green Brighton' well and truly sinking.
C. Nyle
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2:13pm Fri 7 May 10
Granny
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2:22pm Fri 7 May 10
Spanners
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3:23pm Fri 7 May 10
Granny wrote:Yes Granny, she lives in Marlborough Street according to several sources (including the Argus).
I have read the cr*p comment from HoveAlone and with opinions like that I am not too sure that we Brighton residents would want him or her to live here either!!!!! Incidentally, does the new Green MP live locally or does she visit regularly like bibble?
Rocker
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3:27pm Fri 7 May 10
virtuoso
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4:05pm Fri 7 May 10
RoddyG
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4:25pm Fri 7 May 10
brightonboy1968
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4:29pm Fri 7 May 10
Heisheshui
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4:37pm Fri 7 May 10
acdcvelocity
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4:51pm Fri 7 May 10
Nyberg wrote:Please do shut it with your bigoted views on other people's opinions!
Mrb-side wrote:'Over run with immigrants'. Get a sense of proportion.
Bennn wrote: It's on days like today that I feel proud to live in Brighton. Well done Ms Lucas!You lot are off your heads if you think this is a good thing!! Tree Hugging, Spliff smoking wastes of space!! B * P would be a better vote for an area that is over run with immigrants that take the majority of council houses etc and leave Brightonians who have children and can be bothered to work having to rent privately..... Oh thats right we're green now, lets camp in the level!! Joke
'take the majority of council houses'. No they don't.
Those two ludicrous and untrue statements mark you down as a racist. And a stupid racist at that.
HoveAlone
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4:53pm Fri 7 May 10
Spanners wrote:Erm, obviously you haven't been in the area for longer that 13 years then? Hove had it's own council namely 'Hove Borough Council' that looked after the needs of our town without interference from 'Blighton'. East Sussex County Council looked after higher tier functions such as education, social services etc.
Granny wrote: I have read the cr*p comment from HoveAlone and with opinions like that I am not too sure that we Brighton residents would want him or her to live here either!!!!! Incidentally, does the new Green MP live locally or does she visit regularly like bibble?Yes Granny, she lives in Marlborough Street according to several sources (including the Argus). HoveAlone - with that sort of attitude you probrably are/will be. Do you honestly think that Hove could support all it's residents on it's own. Where are the jobs for one? Actually I don't even want to go down this road with you. It's such a no-brainer and a daft idea that I'll end up feeling like I'm trying to educate a brick wall. Agree with Andy R - why don't you stand and Hove will show you some sense
acdcvelocity
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4:55pm Fri 7 May 10
PeteBrighton wrote:And that includes all the socialist roving rabble that continually set up camp here. Leave and take your filthy politics with you.
Great! No more Charlotte Vere. She should now get out of Brighton which she only came to for the seat, no roots and take the minority Tory Council with her.
stan bailey
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4:58pm Fri 7 May 10
miriamy wrote:Actually if you add up all those who voted, more didn't vote for her than did
Dear voters of Brighton Pavilion
Thankyou for your courage, wisdom and thoughtful decision to vote for a Green Party candidate. You have given the country the opportunity to find out what a Green Party MP is like and what policies and values we believe in and want to work for. Many people have already condemned you for thinking about voting green and many people see it as a wasted vote. You know and many of us around the country already know that voting green is an enkightened decision. It is a vote for a better and more positive future. Thankyou for giving us all this chance.
tsimpkins
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5:01pm Fri 7 May 10
Warren C
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5:10pm Fri 7 May 10
Lady Smith
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5:29pm Fri 7 May 10
yorkie44
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5:32pm Fri 7 May 10
virtuoso
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5:38pm Fri 7 May 10
Ricky23
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5:42pm Fri 7 May 10
Bennn
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6:13pm Fri 7 May 10
Ricky23 wrote:What a narrow-minded and racist comment. How can you possibly say that Brighton is being "strangled" by immigrants and that these people are bringing the quality of life down? When I walk around Brighton I see lots of happy Spanish, French, Chinese, Indian, Polish and Japanese people, mostly students, who are contributing to the local economy and helping Brighton stay a diverse and cosmopolitan city. The ones who are bringing the quality of life down for many people are the local chavs born and bred in Sussex who attack the international students I work with, who set fire to an innocent man's beard on the train or who start fights for no reason on West Street at week-ends. Get real.
I am sure that having the Natiol party in place of the green party would be better. Brighton lives on its businesses and is being strangled by immigrants bringing the quality of life down for those of us born here. So now we become a poor city but morally we are rich. Well isn't that great. We can tell our children in the future that we live in such a s**t hole because it was the moral thing to do. That is if we live to that day. With the USA and China producing so much pollution it really doesn't make a difference what we do on a global scale. Thank you Green party.
TheInsider
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6:33pm Fri 7 May 10
krdp
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7:43pm Fri 7 May 10
pb1brighton
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7:46pm Fri 7 May 10
TheInsider wrote:Sour grapes!
This lady is not in my constituency, but she is a very hard-working politician so the people of the Pavilion are very lucky.
Not sure the people of Kemptown have got a good deal with Kirby. I am not sure a multi-millionaire with kids at private school, who dropped his double barrelled name in the hope of sounding more ordinary, can really understand the challenges ordinary families face. I am still trying to find out if he uses the NHS or goes private.
salty_pete
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8:25pm Fri 7 May 10
spirithelen
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8:26pm Fri 7 May 10
HoveAlone wrote:Blimey. Can I remind you Brighton and Hove is a UNIFIED Borough? I'm sorry you find it necessary to judge your fellow citizens by such ill- informed prejudices. I have lived here for most of the past 24 years, because it is one of the most tolerant, educated and non-judgemental places I have ever been. The fact it has been able to elect the first green MP, to me, is cause for celebration, not because I am a member of the Green Party, but because it reflects the town's ability to countenance something different.
What an absolute waste of a vote. This is typical of thicko bohemian Brighton which is why I will never live there, and have a very low opinion of the place. What a joke Brighton, you should be ashamed of yourself to have voted for a party that has no real credibility in goverment. Thank god I live in Hove and thank god the lefties are well and truly out of our town! Now all we need to do is seperate from this silly council so we can leave 'Green Brighton' well and truly sinking.
Bryan G Sewering
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8:39pm Fri 7 May 10
cing
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8:51pm Fri 7 May 10
Patrick Mustard wrote:I voted for Caroline Lucas - (and I'm not a student) - because the Greens will bring a new perspective to politics. Whilst I think some of their ideas to be unrealistic ( especially to do with road transport), I think we need people who care about what will happen in 10 or 50 years time, not just this year. I gather from my daughter that the Green party is the favourite at school - perhaps that's partly because they're thinking ahead.
Kevin1978 wrote:Absolutely. I knew there were a lot of idealist student morons in this part of the city but didn't realise that they could be quite so shortsighted. I am surprised they managed to put down their spliffs for long enough to get out and vote.
Her victory is down to the thousands of students in Brighton Pavillion voting for her. How ironic that we now have an MP who doesn't serve the real interests of the permanent residents of this constituency. The majority of residents in the suburbs have no interest in her ideas whatsoever. The roving voters of the centre, who have no legitimacy here, continue to strangle Brighton Pavillion.
TheInsider
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8:55pm Fri 7 May 10
Nyberg
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9:11pm Fri 7 May 10
acdcvelocity wrote:Bigot
PeteBrighton wrote: Great! No more Charlotte Vere. She should now get out of Brighton which she only came to for the seat, no roots and take the minority Tory Council with her.And that includes all the socialist roving rabble that continually set up camp here. Leave and take your filthy politics with you.
Nyberg
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9:14pm Fri 7 May 10
acdcvelocity wrote:You are the bigot, not me.
Nyberg wrote:Please do shut it with your bigoted views on other people's opinions!Mrb-side wrote:'Over run with immigrants'. Get a sense of proportion. 'take the majority of council houses'. No they don't. Those two ludicrous and untrue statements mark you down as a racist. And a stupid racist at that.Bennn wrote: It's on days like today that I feel proud to live in Brighton. Well done Ms Lucas!You lot are off your heads if you think this is a good thing!! Tree Hugging, Spliff smoking wastes of space!! B * P would be a better vote for an area that is over run with immigrants that take the majority of council houses etc and leave Brightonians who have children and can be bothered to work having to rent privately..... Oh thats right we're green now, lets camp in the level!! Joke
TheInsider
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9:23pm Fri 7 May 10
bagpuss606
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9:34pm Fri 7 May 10
planetpmc
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11:40pm Fri 7 May 10
virtuoso
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11:52pm Fri 7 May 10
bagpuss606 wrote:Sadly, Caroline Lucas is not scientifically literate. Her doctorate is in English Lit.
I'm delighted to have Caroline Lucas as my representative. Too few of our politicians are scientifically literate, and too many vote with their party in hope of advancing their careers. And while the, admittedly severe, financial crisis receives attention from the major parties, the impending energy crunch and climate shock are just as much a threat to our continued comfortable existence. And enough with the stereotyping: for the last two weeks I have been overhearing students debating the finer points of the various manifestos in the cafes and bars on campus. Be assured that the student vote was not monolithic and mainly influenced by pot smoking but diverse and considered. PS I'm pretty sure she used to live on Southover Street but perhaps she's moved since
stan bailey
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7:34am Sat 8 May 10
virtuoso wrote:The most intelligent posting I have read in a long time. Thank you
bagpuss606 wrote:Sadly, Caroline Lucas is not scientifically literate. Her doctorate is in English Lit.
I'm delighted to have Caroline Lucas as my representative. Too few of our politicians are scientifically literate, and too many vote with their party in hope of advancing their careers. And while the, admittedly severe, financial crisis receives attention from the major parties, the impending energy crunch and climate shock are just as much a threat to our continued comfortable existence. And enough with the stereotyping: for the last two weeks I have been overhearing students debating the finer points of the various manifestos in the cafes and bars on campus. Be assured that the student vote was not monolithic and mainly influenced by pot smoking but diverse and considered. PS I'm pretty sure she used to live on Southover Street but perhaps she's moved since
The greens need to decide if destroying capitalism is worth destroying the planet. "Renewable energy" requires 1.0 kg-Fe/W. All the talk about "externalities" is rubbish. Building 50 TWe at 1.0 kg-Fe/W means atmosphere is destroyed up front. Also 1.0 kg-Fe/W implies a cost of at least 300 trillion USD to build the 50 TWe "renewable energy." Just mobilizing that effort cannot be done before CO2 doubles. 50 TWe coal or atomic piles can be done for ~60 trillion USD.
Phosphate fertilizer is produced almost entirely by "evil" capitalists. No...you can not fix phosphates by rotating crops. 200 Mt-phosphate rock/y is requried to produce ~70 Mt-P2O5/y. With the phosphates comes ~20,000 t-U/y. Enough for 25,000 TWe atomic piles.
Minus doing the above, somebody starves in the dark. We have to go from 5 TWe to 50 TWe if 10 billion people are to live like 1 billion now do. Even if the birth rate goes to zero right now, number of housholds in existence over the next 7 decades will not change significantly. Childless persons tend to have dogs and pay vet bills instead of pediatric bills.
The greens need to tells either it is OK to live next door to a nuke or say avoid dental X-rays and plan on putting teeth in a jar at night. Most persons have at least heard about radon gas and understand that sealing up the house makes the radon level increase. Anyone should be able to understand this. All that is required is a little self-consistency.
Enough people now live in dirty air and without indoor plumbing. There should be no need to worry about CO2 when the dirty air problem is available for all to see. The GM crop issue is where the greens really fell on their sword for all to see. Absent "Roundup ready" crops, weed control requires plowing.
As long as the green are antinuclear, they will only be a fringe party. Anti-business invariably means being anti-engineering. Dragging 9 billions out of grinding poverty is an engineering problem. Keeping 9 billions in grinding poverty is a political problem.
King from Hove
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7:46am Sat 8 May 10
Turing Test
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9:13am Sat 8 May 10
HoveAlone wrote:Just how many years is it going to take you to get your "Hove Alone" website online, Rodney? I'm looking forward to reading more thoughts of a plonker on there.
What an absolute waste of a vote. This is typical of thicko bohemian Brighton which is why I will never live there, and have a very low opinion of the place. What a joke Brighton, you should be ashamed of yourself to have voted for a party that has no real credibility in goverment.
Thank god I live in Hove and thank god the lefties are well and truly out of our town! Now all we need to do is seperate from this silly council so we can leave 'Green Brighton' well and truly sinking.
Jack Hughes
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9:31am Sat 8 May 10
DoWeHavTo wrote:Yes. She said in her acceptance speech that her place in the European Parliament will be taken over by our own Keith Taylor, who was second on the Green Party's list at the last European Elections. Well done, Keith! Well done Caroline!
Will she now resign as an MEP? I don't see how she can serve constituency members in Europe and Westminster.
monty sidewinder
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10:19am Sat 8 May 10
Nyberg
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10:21am Sat 8 May 10
TheInsider wrote:Of course you are right, Insider.
Nyberg don't take any notice of acdcvelocity. We are in the worst recession since the war, we are in an unpopular war, jobs are being lost, communities broken...the list goes on...yet still the Tories have not won or got the landslide victory you would have expected in such conditions. What on earth does this say about the public. It's laughable. A hung parliament when the economic and social conditions should have made it easy for the Tories to take a victory by a mile. If I was in Tory Central Office I would be very concerned that they didn't walk it.
TheInsider
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10:48am Sat 8 May 10
jeremy radvan
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10:58am Sat 8 May 10
TheInsider wrote:It will destroy the LibDems if they go into a government with the Tories.
I wonder what the public think about the Lib Dems cosying up to the Tories. Will this damage the Lib Dems long-term future?
TheInsider
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11:03am Sat 8 May 10
Nyberg
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11:09am Sat 8 May 10
TheInsider wrote:I think it's part of a larger game plan.
I wonder what the public think about the Lib Dems cosying up to the Tories. Will this damage the Lib Dems long-term future?
ABC1
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11:29am Sat 8 May 10
TheInsider
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11:49am Sat 8 May 10
acdcvelocity
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12:09pm Sat 8 May 10
monty sidewinder wrote:Absolutely. These out of town morons nave ruined B&H. Pretentious wannabe ex Londoners mostly. Many are students who have stayed on but there have been a lot of Labour luvvie Londoners who have moved here over the last 15 years who, while they endorse mass immigration, don't like it in their own backyard. Hence they have moved away from the capital to get some distance from their immigrant chums!
Caroline Lucas, born in Malvern, Worcestershire - not Brighton. Voted in by countless students who do not permanently live here in Brighton. Voted in by loads of Londoners and out-of-towners who sold up and moved to Brighton. Thanks a lot all. Not only do us genuine residents have to put up with all the adoptive locals spouting off about what and how our good town should be like, but you've now appointed another out-of-towner as your idealistic leader. If all you people feel so strongly about changing things - why don't you all go back to where you came from and do something about changing your own home-town instead of comming down here and complaining about what you see wrong with Brighton. We were all doing fine untill you lot moved here. Thanks.
TheInsider
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12:17pm Sat 8 May 10
Andy R
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12:18pm Sat 8 May 10
HoveAlone wrote:You've undermined your own point! Hove didn't "look after itself" did it? The really big services were actually run from Lewes along with the same services for all the other districts of East Sussex. If Hove cut itself loose to the west now, those services would be run from Chichester as part of West Sussex.
Spanners wrote:Erm, obviously you haven't been in the area for longer that 13 years then? Hove had it's own council namely 'Hove Borough Council' that looked after the needs of our town without interference from 'Blighton'. East Sussex County Council looked after higher tier functions such as education, social services etc. It worked perfectly and suited Hove down to the ground. When local government was reformed in th mid nineties, Hove vehmently protested against the merger with Brighton. So how can you say that Hove can't look after itself when it did so quite successfully for over 100 years???Granny wrote: I have read the cr*p comment from HoveAlone and with opinions like that I am not too sure that we Brighton residents would want him or her to live here either!!!!! Incidentally, does the new Green MP live locally or does she visit regularly like bibble?Yes Granny, she lives in Marlborough Street according to several sources (including the Argus). HoveAlone - with that sort of attitude you probrably are/will be. Do you honestly think that Hove could support all it's residents on it's own. Where are the jobs for one? Actually I don't even want to go down this road with you. It's such a no-brainer and a daft idea that I'll end up feeling like I'm trying to educate a brick wall. Agree with Andy R - why don't you stand and Hove will show you some sense
Kevin1978
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12:20pm Sat 8 May 10
TheInsider
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12:54pm Sat 8 May 10
Kevin1978
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2:20pm Sat 8 May 10
TheInsider
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2:35pm Sat 8 May 10
Murgatroyd
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2:48pm Sat 8 May 10
Murgatroyd
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2:51pm Sat 8 May 10
TheInsider wrote:The Insider, you really do speak a lot of sense.
Oh two people have the same opinions and you think they are the same person, just because they dare to agree.
I am happy for the Argus to confirm that we are not.
I have nothing to hide.
Kevin1978, you always get abusive and angry when other people express opinions which oppose your own.
We live in a democracy, people don't always agree with you. I didn't vote Green, but clearly a lot of people did.
The Tories also failed to get a landslide victory in the UK despite people having enough of New Labour.
This says that the British people don't think much of the Tories either.
It probably shows that the British public can't agree on how to get us out of this mess otherwise one party would have had a clear overall majority.
Nyberg
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3:51pm Sat 8 May 10
Kevin1978 wrote:Dear Kevin, calm down dear....
News alert. Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! TheInsider and Nyberg are the same identity. Notice the quick succession of posts. Not very intelligent are we-dick head!
clearbluesky
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3:51pm Sat 8 May 10
getback
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4:07pm Sat 8 May 10
Bennn
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4:16pm Sat 8 May 10
acdcvelocity wrote:Brighton is now more popular and vibrant than it has ever been. We have come a long way from the 80s and "skid row on sea". Thousands of jobs have been created and Brighton & Hove has been named as one of the 5 top cities in the UK to watch as it could soon become a super city. We weathered the recession very well and if it wasn't for the media going on and on about it hardly anybody would have noticed that there was a recession going on in Brighton. This wouldn't have been possible without the"out of towners" as you call them. Sorry but I am one of them. I am French and moved here because I fell in love with this city. The vibe, the people, the music scene, the North Laine, the atmosphere, the fantastic pubs and clubs, the victorian architecture, the sea... I now promote Brighton in French newspapers and do my best to get people to visit this unique city. I am not a moron simply because I chose to live here. I love Brighton to bits and am incredibly proud to live in the city who elected the first Green MP.
monty sidewinder wrote:Absolutely. These out of town morons nave ruined B&H. Pretentious wannabe ex Londoners mostly. Many are students who have stayed on but there have been a lot of Labour luvvie Londoners who have moved here over the last 15 years who, while they endorse mass immigration, don't like it in their own backyard. Hence they have moved away from the capital to get some distance from their immigrant chums!
Caroline Lucas, born in Malvern, Worcestershire - not Brighton. Voted in by countless students who do not permanently live here in Brighton. Voted in by loads of Londoners and out-of-towners who sold up and moved to Brighton. Thanks a lot all. Not only do us genuine residents have to put up with all the adoptive locals spouting off about what and how our good town should be like, but you've now appointed another out-of-towner as your idealistic leader. If all you people feel so strongly about changing things - why don't you all go back to where you came from and do something about changing your own home-town instead of comming down here and complaining about what you see wrong with Brighton. We were all doing fine untill you lot moved here. Thanks.
Every ex Londoner I have spoken too who have moved here cite violence caused by immigrants in London as the reason. Yet they also supported the Labour Party! Unbelievable.
A few of them write regularly here on the Argus comments. They are easily spotted.
Nyberg
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4:16pm Sat 8 May 10
Lucky7
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5:21pm Sat 8 May 10
Bennn wrote:Agree with Bennn. I moved here many years ago, not from London, although have lived there amongst many other places in UK and abroad. Run a business here, never been a student here, my kids born here, and I am not moving. When those that complain about "new-comers" with the usual assiduous comments attached eventually get bored with us and how their town has changed and move on themselves, I hope their new neighbours in their new chosen destination treat them with the same ignorance and contempt.
acdcvelocity wrote:Brighton is now more popular and vibrant than it has ever been. We have come a long way from the 80s and "skid row on sea". Thousands of jobs have been created and Brighton & Hove has been named as one of the 5 top cities in the UK to watch as it could soon become a super city. We weathered the recession very well and if it wasn't for the media going on and on about it hardly anybody would have noticed that there was a recession going on in Brighton. This wouldn't have been possible without the"out of towners" as you call them. Sorry but I am one of them. I am French and moved here because I fell in love with this city. The vibe, the people, the music scene, the North Laine, the atmosphere, the fantastic pubs and clubs, the victorian architecture, the sea... I now promote Brighton in French newspapers and do my best to get people to visit this unique city. I am not a moron simply because I chose to live here. I love Brighton to bits and am incredibly proud to live in the city who elected the first Green MP.monty sidewinder wrote: Caroline Lucas, born in Malvern, Worcestershire - not Brighton. Voted in by countless students who do not permanently live here in Brighton. Voted in by loads of Londoners and out-of-towners who sold up and moved to Brighton. Thanks a lot all. Not only do us genuine residents have to put up with all the adoptive locals spouting off about what and how our good town should be like, but you've now appointed another out-of-towner as your idealistic leader. If all you people feel so strongly about changing things - why don't you all go back to where you came from and do something about changing your own home-town instead of comming down here and complaining about what you see wrong with Brighton. We were all doing fine untill you lot moved here. Thanks.Absolutely. These out of town morons nave ruined B&H. Pretentious wannabe ex Londoners mostly. Many are students who have stayed on but there have been a lot of Labour luvvie Londoners who have moved here over the last 15 years who, while they endorse mass immigration, don't like it in their own backyard. Hence they have moved away from the capital to get some distance from their immigrant chums! Every ex Londoner I have spoken too who have moved here cite violence caused by immigrants in London as the reason. Yet they also supported the Labour Party! Unbelievable. A few of them write regularly here on the Argus comments. They are easily spotted.
Kevin1978
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6:02pm Sat 8 May 10
cheezburger
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Kevin1978
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6:12pm Sat 8 May 10
Lucky7 wrote:What Brighton needs is less of people like you who come here and dictate what it needs. Yes you are a new-comer so don't lecture Brightonians about their home. Basically go back to where you came from and leave us in peace.
Bennn wrote:Agree with Bennn. I moved here many years ago, not from London, although have lived there amongst many other places in UK and abroad. Run a business here, never been a student here, my kids born here, and I am not moving. When those that complain about "new-comers" with the usual assiduous comments attached eventually get bored with us and how their town has changed and move on themselves, I hope their new neighbours in their new chosen destination treat them with the same ignorance and contempt.
acdcvelocity wrote:Brighton is now more popular and vibrant than it has ever been. We have come a long way from the 80s and "skid row on sea". Thousands of jobs have been created and Brighton & Hove has been named as one of the 5 top cities in the UK to watch as it could soon become a super city. We weathered the recession very well and if it wasn't for the media going on and on about it hardly anybody would have noticed that there was a recession going on in Brighton. This wouldn't have been possible without the"out of towners" as you call them. Sorry but I am one of them. I am French and moved here because I fell in love with this city. The vibe, the people, the music scene, the North Laine, the atmosphere, the fantastic pubs and clubs, the victorian architecture, the sea... I now promote Brighton in French newspapers and do my best to get people to visit this unique city. I am not a moron simply because I chose to live here. I love Brighton to bits and am incredibly proud to live in the city who elected the first Green MP.monty sidewinder wrote: Caroline Lucas, born in Malvern, Worcestershire - not Brighton. Voted in by countless students who do not permanently live here in Brighton. Voted in by loads of Londoners and out-of-towners who sold up and moved to Brighton. Thanks a lot all. Not only do us genuine residents have to put up with all the adoptive locals spouting off about what and how our good town should be like, but you've now appointed another out-of-towner as your idealistic leader. If all you people feel so strongly about changing things - why don't you all go back to where you came from and do something about changing your own home-town instead of comming down here and complaining about what you see wrong with Brighton. We were all doing fine untill you lot moved here. Thanks.Absolutely. These out of town morons nave ruined B&H. Pretentious wannabe ex Londoners mostly. Many are students who have stayed on but there have been a lot of Labour luvvie Londoners who have moved here over the last 15 years who, while they endorse mass immigration, don't like it in their own backyard. Hence they have moved away from the capital to get some distance from their immigrant chums! Every ex Londoner I have spoken too who have moved here cite violence caused by immigrants in London as the reason. Yet they also supported the Labour Party! Unbelievable. A few of them write regularly here on the Argus comments. They are easily spotted.
As for politics, I'm no green and yes their policies are dangerous and flawed, but if they can apply pressure for a fairer and sustainable political arena all well and good. We (the electorate) have shown politics has lost its way and any banging of heads together to shake this sorry bunch up is welcome, in my humble opinion.
Now can we all get back to work - Brighton needs more, and greater, radical changes implemented ....
Bennn
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6:20pm Sat 8 May 10
Kevin1978 wrote:You are giving such a fabulous image of the Tories Kevin. No wonder you didn't get an overall majority! Despite being fed up with Brown most people were too afraid to vote for the Tories because they know that behind Cameron's gentle face the party is full of people like you.
Lucky7 wrote:What Brighton needs is less of people like you who come here and dictate what it needs. Yes you are a new-comer so don't lecture Brightonians about their home. Basically go back to where you came from and leave us in peace.
Bennn wrote:Agree with Bennn. I moved here many years ago, not from London, although have lived there amongst many other places in UK and abroad. Run a business here, never been a student here, my kids born here, and I am not moving. When those that complain about "new-comers" with the usual assiduous comments attached eventually get bored with us and how their town has changed and move on themselves, I hope their new neighbours in their new chosen destination treat them with the same ignorance and contempt.
acdcvelocity wrote:Brighton is now more popular and vibrant than it has ever been. We have come a long way from the 80s and "skid row on sea". Thousands of jobs have been created and Brighton & Hove has been named as one of the 5 top cities in the UK to watch as it could soon become a super city. We weathered the recession very well and if it wasn't for the media going on and on about it hardly anybody would have noticed that there was a recession going on in Brighton. This wouldn't have been possible without the"out of towners" as you call them. Sorry but I am one of them. I am French and moved here because I fell in love with this city. The vibe, the people, the music scene, the North Laine, the atmosphere, the fantastic pubs and clubs, the victorian architecture, the sea... I now promote Brighton in French newspapers and do my best to get people to visit this unique city. I am not a moron simply because I chose to live here. I love Brighton to bits and am incredibly proud to live in the city who elected the first Green MP.monty sidewinder wrote: Caroline Lucas, born in Malvern, Worcestershire - not Brighton. Voted in by countless students who do not permanently live here in Brighton. Voted in by loads of Londoners and out-of-towners who sold up and moved to Brighton. Thanks a lot all. Not only do us genuine residents have to put up with all the adoptive locals spouting off about what and how our good town should be like, but you've now appointed another out-of-towner as your idealistic leader. If all you people feel so strongly about changing things - why don't you all go back to where you came from and do something about changing your own home-town instead of comming down here and complaining about what you see wrong with Brighton. We were all doing fine untill you lot moved here. Thanks.Absolutely. These out of town morons nave ruined B&H. Pretentious wannabe ex Londoners mostly. Many are students who have stayed on but there have been a lot of Labour luvvie Londoners who have moved here over the last 15 years who, while they endorse mass immigration, don't like it in their own backyard. Hence they have moved away from the capital to get some distance from their immigrant chums! Every ex Londoner I have spoken too who have moved here cite violence caused by immigrants in London as the reason. Yet they also supported the Labour Party! Unbelievable. A few of them write regularly here on the Argus comments. They are easily spotted.
As for politics, I'm no green and yes their policies are dangerous and flawed, but if they can apply pressure for a fairer and sustainable political arena all well and good. We (the electorate) have shown politics has lost its way and any banging of heads together to shake this sorry bunch up is welcome, in my humble opinion.
Now can we all get back to work - Brighton needs more, and greater, radical changes implemented ....
stan bailey
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6:42pm Sat 8 May 10
acdcvelocity wrote:Where do you think Benn comes from?
monty sidewinder wrote:Absolutely. These out of town morons nave ruined B&H. Pretentious wannabe ex Londoners mostly. Many are students who have stayed on but there have been a lot of Labour luvvie Londoners who have moved here over the last 15 years who, while they endorse mass immigration, don't like it in their own backyard. Hence they have moved away from the capital to get some distance from their immigrant chums!
Caroline Lucas, born in Malvern, Worcestershire - not Brighton. Voted in by countless students who do not permanently live here in Brighton. Voted in by loads of Londoners and out-of-towners who sold up and moved to Brighton. Thanks a lot all. Not only do us genuine residents have to put up with all the adoptive locals spouting off about what and how our good town should be like, but you've now appointed another out-of-towner as your idealistic leader. If all you people feel so strongly about changing things - why don't you all go back to where you came from and do something about changing your own home-town instead of comming down here and complaining about what you see wrong with Brighton. We were all doing fine untill you lot moved here. Thanks.
Every ex Londoner I have spoken too who have moved here cite violence caused by immigrants in London as the reason. Yet they also supported the Labour Party! Unbelievable.
A few of them write regularly here on the Argus comments. They are easily spotted.
Luckystar26
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7:07pm Sat 8 May 10
Andy R
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11:18pm Sat 8 May 10
Luckystar26 wrote:Oh dear! This late into a discussion you've gotta come up with something a bit more orginal than that.
Mung beans, lentils, organic sandals...smelly arm pits and messy hair. Its 'chic' to be Green, but I wonder how many people who voted for them actually know and understand their policies?
TheInsider
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11:32pm Sat 8 May 10
Tony Davenport
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11:47pm Sat 8 May 10
cheezburger wrote:What constitution?! We don't have such a luxury in this country!
Funny how the conservatives just conveniently forget the constitution, which does not allow them to form a government, or even seek to form a government yet. The constitution which they always go on about, except when it suits them not too.
cheezburger
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12:07am Sun 9 May 10
heavenscentrose
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6:48am Sun 9 May 10
yorkie44 wrote:The Green Party manifesto is totally unrealistic and if you listen to what Caroline Lucas says, she sounds closer to a Communist than even far left-wing Labour.
Has anybody actually read the Green Party manifesto? It is all about spending more money and not a word about how where the money would come from or how they would sort out the mess the economy is in.
Lucky7
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8:50am Sun 9 May 10
Nyberg
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9:20am Sun 9 May 10
Kevin1978 wrote:I'm no supporter of the labour government, but even someone as right wing as you should be aware that recent financial crash was nothing to do with the labour government, but everything to do with sub prime mortgages in the US, and greedy, unregulated bankers. And who deregulated them?
Obviously a lot of socialists here living in cloud cuckoo land like their master Brown! The Conservatives did not get an overall majority that is true. But the Lib Dems will support them as a minority government and Cameron will be Prime Minister by Monday. Do us all a favour Socialists and emigrate somewhere. We Conservatives are the only ones who know how to run Great Britain sensibly and we never put the country into financial meltdown. Every time we have a socialist government we end up in a financial mess. The Lib Dems have a choice, they can either support us as the largest party or another election will have to take place and we will ask voters to give us a majority which they most likely will. Labour are dead and out. Brown is a walking corpse and the Lib Dems should be put in their place with their 57 seats!
ABC1
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10:06am Sun 9 May 10
Andy R
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11:12am Sun 9 May 10
ABC1 wrote:Oh right...so now it's "boundary changes"...the Bumper Book of Cameron Excuses is expanding by the minute.
The banks were meant to be regulated by an agency set up according to the orders of one G. Brown esq. This same man was Chancellor for the duration of the New Labour experiment (now discredited) and had absolutely no idea what the banks were doing during his tenure. In addition he spent money we didn't have over many years whilst knowing that our economy was built on the sands of personal debt. All this to shore up Labour votes and get into the office of PM one day. Here in Brighton, we are the unlucky recipients of New Labour largesse, for example, the Falmer in return for votes stadium. We've now lost AONB that will never come back, and he's lost his MP's - what a **** deal. In other areas, Civil Service jobs were created that we neither needed nor could afford. Lastly, the one thing that no-one has mentioned is the many constituency boundary changes that have occurred under a Labour govt., which means that despite a record move away from Labour, and in favour of the Tories, Labour are still in with a chance of forming a govt. draw your own conclusions..... And people wonder why the Tories couldn't get an overall majority?
ABC1
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11:36am Sun 9 May 10
Factual Freddy
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1:32pm Sun 9 May 10
Nyberg
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8:39pm Sun 9 May 10
ABC1 wrote:I'll have to spell it out:
The banks were meant to be regulated by an agency set up according to the orders of one G. Brown esq. This same man was Chancellor for the duration of the New Labour experiment (now discredited) and had absolutely no idea what the banks were doing during his tenure. In addition he spent money we didn't have over many years whilst knowing that our economy was built on the sands of personal debt. All this to shore up Labour votes and get into the office of PM one day. Here in Brighton, we are the unlucky recipients of New Labour largesse, for example, the Falmer in return for votes stadium. We've now lost AONB that will never come back, and he's lost his MP's - what a **** deal. In other areas, Civil Service jobs were created that we neither needed nor could afford. Lastly, the one thing that no-one has mentioned is the many constituency boundary changes that have occurred under a Labour govt., which means that despite a record move away from Labour, and in favour of the Tories, Labour are still in with a chance of forming a govt. draw your own conclusions..... And people wonder why the Tories couldn't get an overall majority?
ABC1
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9:31pm Sun 9 May 10
Nyberg wrote:So? What is your point? The regulatory framework belonged to Brown. He was warned often enough that the chickens were coming home to roost, but chose to ignore the fact. to be fair, he wasn't alone.
ABC1 wrote:I'll have to spell it out:
The banks were meant to be regulated by an agency set up according to the orders of one G. Brown esq. This same man was Chancellor for the duration of the New Labour experiment (now discredited) and had absolutely no idea what the banks were doing during his tenure. In addition he spent money we didn't have over many years whilst knowing that our economy was built on the sands of personal debt. All this to shore up Labour votes and get into the office of PM one day. Here in Brighton, we are the unlucky recipients of New Labour largesse, for example, the Falmer in return for votes stadium. We've now lost AONB that will never come back, and he's lost his MP's - what a **** deal. In other areas, Civil Service jobs were created that we neither needed nor could afford. Lastly, the one thing that no-one has mentioned is the many constituency boundary changes that have occurred under a Labour govt., which means that despite a record move away from Labour, and in favour of the Tories, Labour are still in with a chance of forming a govt. draw your own conclusions..... And people wonder why the Tories couldn't get an overall majority?
the banks were originally deregulated under the Thatcher regime, not Gordon Browns.
Andy R
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11:20pm Sun 9 May 10
Factual Freddy wrote:Ooh look! A "lentil joke", 122 posts in. How original. Oh my aching sides.....
GREENS GO BACK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND PREPARE A VERY NICE LENTIL SOUP!
Spanners
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9:56am Mon 10 May 10
Kevin1978 wrote:It is Monday, Cameron is not PM, you appear to be are wrong - again
Obviously a lot of socialists here living in cloud cuckoo land like their master Brown! The Conservatives did not get an overall majority that is true. But the Lib Dems will support them as a minority government and Cameron will be Prime Minister by Monday. Do us all a favour Socialists and emigrate somewhere. We Conservatives are the only ones who know how to run Great Britain sensibly and we never put the country into financial meltdown. Every time we have a socialist government we end up in a financial mess. The Lib Dems have a choice, they can either support us as the largest party or another election will have to take place and we will ask voters to give us a majority which they most likely will. Labour are dead and out. Brown is a walking corpse and the Lib Dems should be put in their place with their 57 seats!
Andy R
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12:27pm Mon 10 May 10
Mr. Kipling
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10:43am Tue 11 May 10
Brighton-Man
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