Punters Ian Mathewson and Andy Clarke thought they had won thousands of pounds by betting against England in the Euro 2008 qualifers.
But their joy soon turned to anger when they tried to collect their £8,700 winnings from bookies Betfred and were told the bet was void.
Mr Mathewson, 48, of Portslade, had placed a £100 double bet on England losing against Croatia at 15-2 and that Russia would qualify at 15-2.
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He placed the same bet for his friend Mr Clarke with a £20 stake at the Betfred branch in Roedale Road, Brighton, in November last year.
Mr Mathewson said: "I went in at 11am the next day to pick the money up. They told me the bet was not totally valid because the double was related. I told them that they had written the prices down and had taken the bet.
"I couldn't believe it - I didn't force them to take the bet and I had put it on in good faith.
"If the bet had gone the other way would they have given me my money back?
"I have written to customer services and they've not got back to me and I've also written to the betting ombudsman, the Independent Betting Adjudication Service (IBAS).
A spokesman for Betfred said: "The case has gone to IBAS and they have ruled on it. It was taken in error."
He added: "You can't expect the cashier to check every bet."
IBAS, has recently ruled that Betfred's stance was right.
In its ruling it said: "All bookmakers have a rule which forbids related bets where the outcome of one part has a major bearing on the outcome of another. That was the case here as Croatia beating England and Russia qualifying for the Euro 2008 finals was virtually one of the same thing.
"While Russia also had to beat Andorra, the chance of them losing was slim against a team which failed to score a point in their previous 11 fixtures. The central point is that once Croatia beat England, then Russia would certainly not have been 15-2 to qualify which means the double could not be allowed under rule."
It concluded: "The company have settled properly as per rule, namely splitting the stakes on two singles. In this case, the two singles were more or less the same, giving the customer a winning £100 at 15-2."
However Mr Mathewson is unhappy with the response and has yet to collect either his or Mr Clarke's winnings.
He said: "The letter I had from them looks as if a child had written it and they said it was a related bet. The point is though Betfred took the bet.
"My soliciter is now writing to Betfred."
Do you think Betfred should pay up? Have your say below.
Posted by: Bob the bookie, brighton on 12:16pm Thu 10 Jan 08
Sorry I have to say the punter has little chance of winning here and should grab what is offered to him. Its the same in the the World cup you can't bet on leading goal scorer and world cup winners in a double. This is because 9 times out of 10 the top goal scorer will be playing for the winning side.
Sorry I have to say the punter has little chance of winning here and should grab what is offered to him. Its the same in the the World cup you can't bet on leading goal scorer and world cup winners in a double. This is because 9 times out of 10 the top goal scorer will be playing for the winning side.
Betfred? or Betfair?
Two names going on here, Argus.
Betting shops will look to get out of large payouts any way they can. They took the bet, they pay the bet. Simple as that.
Betfred? or Betfair?
Two names going on here, Argus.
Betting shops will look to get out of large payouts any way they can. They took the bet, they pay the bet. Simple as that.
[quote][bold]Bob the bookie[/bold] wrote:
Sorry I have to say the punter has little chance of winning here and should grab what is offered to him. Its the same in the the World cup you can't bet on leading goal scorer and world cup winners in a double. This is because 9 times out of 10 the top goal scorer will be playing for the winning side.[/quote] Betfred should pay up, cashier error or not - in my opinion. If Mr Mathewson's solicitor can find the latest case law relating to this kind of instance, then it's up to Betfred's solicitor to find a more relevant example. Best to leave it to the solicitors now, any other action would be a waste of energy. Best of luck guys, I hope you get a result.
as for Bob's comment regarding the leading goal scorer in the World Cup, 7 out of the last 11 tournaments have had Golden Shoe winners from teams other than the winner - 4 out of the last 11 winners with leading scorers is the correct statistic, not 9 out of 10. Sorry to be a smartarse, just setting the record straight.
Bob the bookie wrote:
Sorry I have to say the punter has little chance of winning here and should grab what is offered to him. Its the same in the the World cup you can't bet on leading goal scorer and world cup winners in a double. This is because 9 times out of 10 the top goal scorer will be playing for the winning side.
Betfred should pay up, cashier error or not - in my opinion. If Mr Mathewson's solicitor can find the latest case law relating to this kind of instance, then it's up to Betfred's solicitor to find a more relevant example. Best to leave it to the solicitors now, any other action would be a waste of energy. Best of luck guys, I hope you get a result.
as for Bob's comment regarding the leading goal scorer in the World Cup, 7 out of the last 11 tournaments have had Golden Shoe winners from teams other than the winner - 4 out of the last 11 winners with leading scorers is the correct statistic, not 9 out of 10. Sorry to be a smartarse, just setting the record straight.
Posted by: Offiah De Santis on 1:48pm Thu 10 Jan 08
I've had the same problem in the past with Coral on a double where one result impact the other. They refused to payout. However I didn't cry over spilt milk as I should of realised the rules. No bookie would ever payout on a bet like this however they have to give a full refund and treat the bet as a non runner or a non event. In this particular case Betfred should pay out £20 at 15/2 as an act of good faith.
Little boys should not play adult games.
I've had the same problem in the past with Coral on a double where one result impact the other. They refused to payout. However I didn't cry over spilt milk as I should of realised the rules. No bookie would ever payout on a bet like this however they have to give a full refund and treat the bet as a non runner or a non event. In this particular case Betfred should pay out £20 at 15/2 as an act of good faith.
Posted by: Offiah De Santis on 1:52pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Offiah De Santis[/bold] wrote:
I've had the same problem in the past with Coral on a double where one result impact the other. They refused to payout. However I didn't cry over spilt milk as I should of realised the rules. No bookie would ever payout on a bet like this however they have to give a full refund and treat the bet as a non runner or a non event. In this particular case Betfred should pay out £20 at 15/2 as an act of good faith. Little boys should not play adult games.[/quote] Another point is legally bookmakers have no law to comply to, hence only there brand name and reputation can be damaged. I would not bother to pay a solicitor to get a non result.
These boys are obviously very inept at understanding bookmaker betting rules and logic.
To save them choking on their mothers milk I sugggest they accept the £100 and I will publish a horse which should win at around 8/1 over the forthcoming week to help them get over it.
Offiah De Santis wrote:
I've had the same problem in the past with Coral on a double where one result impact the other. They refused to payout. However I didn't cry over spilt milk as I should of realised the rules. No bookie would ever payout on a bet like this however they have to give a full refund and treat the bet as a non runner or a non event. In this particular case Betfred should pay out £20 at 15/2 as an act of good faith. Little boys should not play adult games.
Another point is legally bookmakers have no law to comply to, hence only there brand name and reputation can be damaged. I would not bother to pay a solicitor to get a non result.
These boys are obviously very inept at understanding bookmaker betting rules and logic.
To save them choking on their mothers milk I sugggest they accept the £100 and I will publish a horse which should win at around 8/1 over the forthcoming week to help them get over it.
Posted by: James, Brighton on 2:01pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Dentak3a[/bold] wrote:
Re \"You can\'t expect the cashier to check every bet.\" Yes you can. Smacks of negligence on Betfred\'s part. Therefore, Betfred should cough up. [/quote] Amen to that. Are their cashiers not expected to do their job properly? They should pay up or stop trading
Dentak3a wrote:
Re \"You can\'t expect the cashier to check every bet.\" Yes you can. Smacks of negligence on Betfred\'s part. Therefore, Betfred should cough up.
Amen to that. Are their cashiers not expected to do their job properly? They should pay up or stop trading
Posted by: Offiah De Santis on 2:02pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]steve[/bold] wrote:
the bet did not mean one and the same team because russia could still have lost or draw with andorra which they nearly did...i hope he gets his money[/quote] Oh dear Steve are you struggling in the IQ department? Is that what your mother blames your dysfunctional nature on?
Anyway the bet is a related double as both results would impact the outcome of the result hence the odds would be considered elastic in outcome probability. If the bookmaker offered a special double price then as "offer and acceptance " law states the bookmakers should pay up. However this is a should as apposed to a would because bookmakers by law cannot be forced to honour a bet.
The betting rules are quite clear on this matter.
Sounds like 2 little boys have been crying over their mothers spilt milk.
steve wrote:
the bet did not mean one and the same team because russia could still have lost or draw with andorra which they nearly did...i hope he gets his money
Oh dear Steve are you struggling in the IQ department? Is that what your mother blames your dysfunctional nature on?
Anyway the bet is a related double as both results would impact the outcome of the result hence the odds would be considered elastic in outcome probability. If the bookmaker offered a special double price then as "offer and acceptance " law states the bookmakers should pay up. However this is a should as apposed to a would because bookmakers by law cannot be forced to honour a bet.
The betting rules are quite clear on this matter.
Sounds like 2 little boys have been crying over their mothers spilt milk.
Posted by: Bets Guru, Brighton on 2:10pm Thu 10 Jan 08
I'm suprised at the Argus even reporting this. There is no chance whatsoever of this bet being deemed valid by anybody who knows anything about betting and bookmakers. I don't need to elaborate on the reasons to anyone that does understand why and there probably isn't any point in trying to explain to those that don't.
I'm suprised at the Argus even reporting this. There is no chance whatsoever of this bet being deemed valid by anybody who knows anything about betting and bookmakers. I don't need to elaborate on the reasons to anyone that does understand why and there probably isn't any point in trying to explain to those that don't.
[quote][bold]Dentak3a[/bold] wrote:
Re "You can't expect the cashier to check every bet." Yes you can. Smacks of negligence on Betfred's part. Therefore, Betfred should cough up. [/quote] if the cashier took the bet without checking, then maybe the cashier should be made to pay the winnings. that would ensure that he/she always confirms that a bet is valid in future. come on betfred, honour your loss and train your staff
Dentak3a wrote:
Re "You can't expect the cashier to check every bet." Yes you can. Smacks of negligence on Betfred's part. Therefore, Betfred should cough up.
if the cashier took the bet without checking, then maybe the cashier should be made to pay the winnings. that would ensure that he/she always confirms that a bet is valid in future. come on betfred, honour your loss and train your staff
Posted by: tim Preston Park, Preston Park on 2:20pm Thu 10 Jan 08
His Solicitor will be next to useless as currently in the UK a gambling debt is a debt of honour. You could however apply to suspend BETFREDS licence which would apply to all BETFRED shops
His Solicitor will be next to useless as currently in the UK a gambling debt is a debt of honour. You could however apply to suspend BETFREDS licence which would apply to all BETFRED shops
my advice is stay out of betfred they useless bookmaker, staff are not trained properly, i have twice been refused a bet on a half time full time result, thus as long as i live ill never ever bet in betfred again, your better off with one of major 3 bookmakers, not one man band whos staff dont know what day it is
my advice is stay out of betfred they useless bookmaker, staff are not trained properly, i have twice been refused a bet on a half time full time result, thus as long as i live ill never ever bet in betfred again, your better off with one of major 3 bookmakers, not one man band whos staff dont know what day it is
Posted by: Bob the bookie, Brighton on 2:29pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Offiah De Santis[/bold] wrote:
I've had the same problem in the past with Coral on a double where one result impact the other. They refused to payout. However I didn't cry over spilt milk as I should of realised the rules. No bookie would ever payout on a bet like this however they have to give a full refund and treat the bet as a non runner or a non event. In this particular case Betfred should pay out £20 at 15/2 as an act of good faith. Little boys should not play adult games.[/quote] If you read the story again Betfred are hounouring the bet as a single at 15/2 so he will get back £100 at 15/2 which is £850. He should accept it and not have another bet till he knows what he is doing.
Offiah De Santis wrote:
I've had the same problem in the past with Coral on a double where one result impact the other. They refused to payout. However I didn't cry over spilt milk as I should of realised the rules. No bookie would ever payout on a bet like this however they have to give a full refund and treat the bet as a non runner or a non event. In this particular case Betfred should pay out £20 at 15/2 as an act of good faith. Little boys should not play adult games.
If you read the story again Betfred are hounouring the bet as a single at 15/2 so he will get back £100 at 15/2 which is £850. He should accept it and not have another bet till he knows what he is doing.
Posted by: Offiah De Santis on 2:29pm Thu 10 Jan 08
This is a wind up by the argus and two little boys.
There are thousands of disputed bet which should come before this non event.
Take your medicine and get over it, it’s a lesson in life. How old are the baby punters? They have not lost anything! Go back little boys and collect the £100 on offer!
People are starving/ homeless etc and this little two bob outfit and 2 little boys are throwing toys out of their pram over winning £100.
Get real! I hope betfred withdraw their offer and refund as a void/ NR bet.
My advice is give up gambling while you can little boys.
This is a wind up by the argus and two little boys.
There are thousands of disputed bet which should come before this non event.
Take your medicine and get over it, it’s a lesson in life. How old are the baby punters? They have not lost anything! Go back little boys and collect the £100 on offer!
People are starving/ homeless etc and this little two bob outfit and 2 little boys are throwing toys out of their pram over winning £100.
Get real! I hope betfred withdraw their offer and refund as a void/ NR bet.
My advice is give up gambling while you can little boys.
Posted by: tim hodges, preston park on 2:32pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]steve[/bold] wrote:
the bet did not mean one and the same team because russia could still have lost or draw with andorra which they nearly did...i hope he gets his money[/quote] That is an exceptionally good point, the alternative was there for Russia to have lost or Drawn with Andorra, so if Betfred offered a price on Andorra to win or draw against Russia this bet cannot be related as it was not forgone that Russia would Qualify irrespective of thier own Result.
steve wrote:
the bet did not mean one and the same team because russia could still have lost or draw with andorra which they nearly did...i hope he gets his money
That is an exceptionally good point, the alternative was there for Russia to have lost or Drawn with Andorra, so if Betfred offered a price on Andorra to win or draw against Russia this bet cannot be related as it was not forgone that Russia would Qualify irrespective of thier own Result.
Posted by: Offiah De Santis on 2:34pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Bob the bookie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Offiah De Santis[/bold] wrote: I've had the same problem in the past with Coral on a double where one result impact the other. They refused to payout. However I didn't cry over spilt milk as I should of realised the rules. No bookie would ever payout on a bet like this however they have to give a full refund and treat the bet as a non runner or a non event. In this particular case Betfred should pay out £20 at 15/2 as an act of good faith. Little boys should not play adult games.[/quote] If you read the story again Betfred are hounouring the bet as a single at 15/2 so he will get back £100 at 15/2 which is £850. He should accept it and not have another bet till he knows what he is doing.[/quote] Get stuffed bob you are an irritant to my eyes. I'm merely pointing out they should accept the Betfred offer as they could be sinister and refund as a void/ Nr.
I would take the offer!
So don't give me read the story properly, Im in the middle of other things. Just shut it robinson or I'll send stanley round.
Bob the bookie wrote:
Offiah De Santis wrote: I've had the same problem in the past with Coral on a double where one result impact the other. They refused to payout. However I didn't cry over spilt milk as I should of realised the rules. No bookie would ever payout on a bet like this however they have to give a full refund and treat the bet as a non runner or a non event. In this particular case Betfred should pay out £20 at 15/2 as an act of good faith. Little boys should not play adult games.
If you read the story again Betfred are hounouring the bet as a single at 15/2 so he will get back £100 at 15/2 which is £850. He should accept it and not have another bet till he knows what he is doing.
Get stuffed bob you are an irritant to my eyes. I'm merely pointing out they should accept the Betfred offer as they could be sinister and refund as a void/ Nr.
I would take the offer!
So don't give me read the story properly, Im in the middle of other things. Just shut it robinson or I'll send stanley round.
Posted by: now then camel breath Dave, Hove on 2:46pm Thu 10 Jan 08
I put £500 quid on Liverpool winning the European Championship a couple of years back at 33/1. The bookie wouldn't pay up because I'd written 10 other teams on the slip and he would have to split the stake.
So I shouted back well you wrote the price on it!
He tryed offereing me £50 at 33/1 instead.
I screamed no way you'll be hearing from my solicitor.
NOW YOU SEE WHAT ROT THIS STORY IS!
I put £500 quid on Liverpool winning the European Championship a couple of years back at 33/1. The bookie wouldn't pay up because I'd written 10 other teams on the slip and he would have to split the stake.
So I shouted back well you wrote the price on it!
He tryed offereing me £50 at 33/1 instead.
I screamed no way you'll be hearing from my solicitor.
Posted by: Oz & Chloe, Brighton on 2:54pm Thu 10 Jan 08
Shocking behaviour by these bookies - they admit that it was cashier error - sounds like they're trying to bully Matthewson & Clarke. Put it down to experience and train the staff to check all bets. End of!
Shocking behaviour by these bookies - they admit that it was cashier error - sounds like they're trying to bully Matthewson & Clarke. Put it down to experience and train the staff to check all bets. End of!
Posted by: Offiah de Santis on 2:56pm Thu 10 Jan 08
I think I am now becoming the most obnoxious poster on here now. I'm so much better than sm, no way and ffs. I love being nasty to people who disagree with my opinions, in fact I'm a No 1 bigot.
I think I am now becoming the most obnoxious poster on here now. I'm so much better than sm, no way and ffs. I love being nasty to people who disagree with my opinions, in fact I'm a No 1 bigot.
I think possibly that if more people complained about the way bookies rip punters off in this way instead of just accepting it then maybe something would be done about it. Is there not an ombudsman that could deal with this?. I realise of course that Betfred did'nt drag the guy off the street and force him to make a bet - but there again he should have been aware of this sort of thing happening.
I think possibly that if more people complained about the way bookies rip punters off in this way instead of just accepting it then maybe something would be done about it. Is there not an ombudsman that could deal with this?. I realise of course that Betfred did'nt drag the guy off the street and force him to make a bet - but there again he should have been aware of this sort of thing happening.
Posted by: Offiah De Santis on 3:26pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Offiah de Santis[/bold] wrote:
I think I am now becoming the most obnoxious poster on here now. I\'m so much better than sm, no way and ffs. I love being nasty to people who disagree with my opinions, in fact I\'m a No 1 bigot. [/quote] Oh thats nice, I'm pleased your posting in my name as well as others.
Call me what you like, Bigots not right I prefer tracker.
Offiah de Santis wrote:
I think I am now becoming the most obnoxious poster on here now. I\'m so much better than sm, no way and ffs. I love being nasty to people who disagree with my opinions, in fact I\'m a No 1 bigot.
Oh thats nice, I'm pleased your posting in my name as well as others.
Call me what you like, Bigots not right I prefer tracker.
Posted by: macca, brighton on 3:36pm Thu 10 Jan 08
offiah its good to know, that you feel obnoxious,as long as you are happy . persons who give thier comments are allowed to . even if they disagree with yours. stay happy sir as i for one just smirk at these remarks . as they have no meaning, and nobody should respond to your feeble pathetic rantins,take your prozac, and keep getting the mentel health treatment you need. i will after this comment to you never read or respnd to you again freak
offiah its good to know, that you feel obnoxious,as long as you are happy . persons who give thier comments are allowed to . even if they disagree with yours. stay happy sir as i for one just smirk at these remarks . as they have no meaning, and nobody should respond to your feeble pathetic rantins,take your prozac, and keep getting the mentel health treatment you need. i will after this comment to you never read or respnd to you again freak
Posted by: Offiah De Santis on 3:39pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]macca[/bold] wrote:
offiah its good to know, that you feel obnoxious,as long as you are happy . persons who give thier comments are allowed to . even if they disagree with yours. stay happy sir as i for one just smirk at these remarks . as they have no meaning, and nobody should respond to your feeble pathetic rantins,take your prozac, and keep getting the mentel health treatment you need. i will after this comment to you never read or respnd to you again freak[/quote] Ok you just keep these puril comments up.
I'll stay happy when you go back to the land you came from. Benefit boy!
macca wrote:
offiah its good to know, that you feel obnoxious,as long as you are happy . persons who give thier comments are allowed to . even if they disagree with yours. stay happy sir as i for one just smirk at these remarks . as they have no meaning, and nobody should respond to your feeble pathetic rantins,take your prozac, and keep getting the mentel health treatment you need. i will after this comment to you never read or respnd to you again freak
Ok you just keep these puril comments up.
I'll stay happy when you go back to the land you came from. Benefit boy!
Posted by: puril, brighton on 3:46pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Offiah De Santis[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]macca[/bold] wrote: offiah its good to know, that you feel obnoxious,as long as you are happy . persons who give thier comments are allowed to . even if they disagree with yours. stay happy sir as i for one just smirk at these remarks . as they have no meaning, and nobody should respond to your feeble pathetic rantins,take your prozac, and keep getting the mentel health treatment you need. i will after this comment to you never read or respnd to you again freak[/quote] Ok you just keep these puril comments up. I'll stay happy when you go back to the land you came from. Benefit boy![/quote] ok sir who are you today ffs or one of your other cyber names by by freak i guess your job as a panto dame are at an end
Offiah De Santis wrote:
macca wrote: offiah its good to know, that you feel obnoxious,as long as you are happy . persons who give thier comments are allowed to . even if they disagree with yours. stay happy sir as i for one just smirk at these remarks . as they have no meaning, and nobody should respond to your feeble pathetic rantins,take your prozac, and keep getting the mentel health treatment you need. i will after this comment to you never read or respnd to you again freak
Ok you just keep these puril comments up. I'll stay happy when you go back to the land you came from. Benefit boy!
ok sir who are you today ffs or one of your other cyber names by by freak i guess your job as a panto dame are at an end
Posted by: This is Brighton on 3:48pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]puril[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Offiah De Santis[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]macca[/bold] wrote: offiah its good to know, that you feel obnoxious,as long as you are happy . persons who give thier comments are allowed to . even if they disagree with yours. stay happy sir as i for one just smirk at these remarks . as they have no meaning, and nobody should respond to your feeble pathetic rantins,take your prozac, and keep getting the mentel health treatment you need. i will after this comment to you never read or respnd to you again freak[/quote] Ok you just keep these puril comments up. I'll stay happy when you go back to the land you came from. Benefit boy![/quote] ok sir who are you today ffs or one of your other cyber names by by freak i guess your job as a panto dame are at an end[/quote] Ha Ha Ha !
[bold]THIS IS BRIGHTON[/bold] !!
puril wrote:
Offiah De Santis wrote:
macca wrote: offiah its good to know, that you feel obnoxious,as long as you are happy . persons who give thier comments are allowed to . even if they disagree with yours. stay happy sir as i for one just smirk at these remarks . as they have no meaning, and nobody should respond to your feeble pathetic rantins,take your prozac, and keep getting the mentel health treatment you need. i will after this comment to you never read or respnd to you again freak
Ok you just keep these puril comments up. I'll stay happy when you go back to the land you came from. Benefit boy!
ok sir who are you today ffs or one of your other cyber names by by freak i guess your job as a panto dame are at an end
Posted by: Doesn't matter who as someone will pretend to be the same poster, so I leave you with just the single idiot left posting unless the Argus sort the name issue out on 4:17pm Thu 10 Jan 08
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Posted by: humpfrey, Frankfurt on 4:17pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]tim Preston Park[/bold] wrote:
His Solicitor will be next to useless as currently in the UK a gambling debt is a debt of honour. You could however apply to suspend BETFREDS licence which would apply to all BETFRED shops[/quote] .......but in the civil courts you can try a 'debt of honour.' Personally I think a judge will probably come down on the side of the punter.
tim Preston Park wrote:
His Solicitor will be next to useless as currently in the UK a gambling debt is a debt of honour. You could however apply to suspend BETFREDS licence which would apply to all BETFRED shops
.......but in the civil courts you can try a 'debt of honour.' Personally I think a judge will probably come down on the side of the punter.
[quote][bold]kink[/bold] wrote:
offiah de santis this is a good site with good comments, go away and haunt some other site and take your aliases with you inc ffs[/quote] Oh I forgot to add and I'll be coming home tonight.
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And the bride -- maidens whispered ''Twere better by far
To have matched our fair cousin with young Lochinvar.'
One touch to her hand and one word in her ear,
When they reached the hall-door, and the charger stood near;
So light to the croupe the fair lady he swung,
So light to the saddle before her he sprung!
'She is won! we are gone, over bank, bush, and scaur;
They'll have fleet steeds that follow,' quoth young Lochinvar.
There was mounting 'mong Graemes of the Netherby clan;
Fosters, Fenwicks, and Musgraves, they rode and they ran:
There was racing and chasing on Cannobie Lee,
But the lost bride of Netherby ne'er did they see.
So daring in love and so dauntless in war,
Have ye e'er heard of gallant like young Lochinvar?
kink wrote:
offiah de santis this is a good site with good comments, go away and haunt some other site and take your aliases with you inc ffs
Oh I forgot to add and I'll be coming home tonight.
Check this out I wrote it myself:
H! young Lochinvar is come out of the west,
Through all the wide Border his steed was the best;
And save his good broadsword he weapons had none.
He rode all unarmed and he rode all alone.
So faithful in love and so dauntless in war,
There never was knight like the young Lochinvar.
He stayed not for brake and he stopped not for stone,
He swam the Eske river where ford there was none,
But ere he alighted at Netherby gate
The bride had consented, the gallant came late:
For a laggard in love and a dastard in war
Was to wed the fair Ellen of brave Lochinvar.
So boldly he entered the Netherby Hall,
Among bridesmen, and kinsmen, and brothers, and all:
Then spoke the bride's father, his hand on his sword,--
For the poor craven bridegroom said never a word,--
'Oh! come ye in peace here, or come ye in war,
Or to dance at our bridal, young Lord Lochinvar?'--
'I long wooed your daughter, my suit you denied;
Love swells like the Solway, but ebbs like its tide--
And now am I come, with this lost love of mine,
To lead but one measure, drink one cup of wine.
There are maidens in Scotland more lovely by far,
That would gladly be bride to the young Lochinvar.'
The bride kissed the goblet; the knight took it up,
He quaffed off the wine, and he threw down the cup,
She looked down to blush, and she looked up to sigh,
With a smile on her lips and a tear in her eye.
He took her soft hand ere her mother could bar,--
'Now tread we a measure!' said young Lochinvar.
So stately his form, and so lovely her face,
That never a hall such a galliard did grace;
While her mother did fret, and her father did fume,
And the bridegroom stood dangling his bonnet and plume;
And the bride -- maidens whispered ''Twere better by far
To have matched our fair cousin with young Lochinvar.'
One touch to her hand and one word in her ear,
When they reached the hall-door, and the charger stood near;
So light to the croupe the fair lady he swung,
So light to the saddle before her he sprung!
'She is won! we are gone, over bank, bush, and scaur;
They'll have fleet steeds that follow,' quoth young Lochinvar.
There was mounting 'mong Graemes of the Netherby clan;
Fosters, Fenwicks, and Musgraves, they rode and they ran:
There was racing and chasing on Cannobie Lee,
But the lost bride of Netherby ne'er did they see.
So daring in love and so dauntless in war,
Have ye e'er heard of gallant like young Lochinvar?
Posted by: sam, peacehaven on 4:24pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Doesn't matter who as someone will pretend to be the same poster, so I leave you with just the single idiot left posting unless the Argus sort the name issue out[/bold] wrote:
[bold]schizophrenia /schizo·phre·nia/ (skit?so-fren´e-ah) (-fre´ne-ah) a mental disorder or group of disorders characterized by disturbances in the form and content of thought (e.g., delusions, hallucinations), in mood (e.g., inappropriate affect), in sense of self and relationship to the external world (e.g., loss of ego boundaries, withdrawal), and in behavior (e.g., bizarre or apparently purposeless behavior); it must cause marked decrease in functioning and be present for at least six months.schizophren´i c[/bold] [/quote] offiah mentel ramberlins again, no name this time
Doesn't matter who as someone will pretend to be the same poster, so I leave you with just the single idiot left posting unless the Argus sort the name issue out wrote: schizophrenia /schizo·phre·nia/ (skit?so-fren´e-ah) (-fre´ne-ah) a mental disorder or group of disorders characterized by disturbances in the form and content of thought (e.g., delusions, hallucinations), in mood (e.g., inappropriate affect), in sense of self and relationship to the external world (e.g., loss of ego boundaries, withdrawal), and in behavior (e.g., bizarre or apparently purposeless behavior); it must cause marked decrease in functioning and be present for at least six months.schizophren´i c
[quote][bold]sam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Doesn't matter who as someone will pretend to be the same poster, so I leave you with just the single idiot left posting unless the Argus sort the name issue out[/bold] wrote: [bold]schizophrenia /schizo·phre·nia/ (skit?so-fren´e-ah) (-fre´ne-ah) a mental disorder or group of disorders characterized by disturbances in the form and content of thought (e.g., delusions, hallucinations), in mood (e.g., inappropriate affect), in sense of self and relationship to the external world (e.g., loss of ego boundaries, withdrawal), and in behavior (e.g., bizarre or apparently purposeless behavior); it must cause marked decrease in functioning and be present for at least six months.schizophren´i c[/bold] [/quote] offiah mentel ramberlins again, no name this time[/quote] its mentel int it flut flot sucksie, cubbie mack is bock
sam wrote:
Doesn't matter who as someone will pretend to be the same poster, so I leave you with just the single idiot left posting unless the Argus sort the name issue out wrote: schizophrenia /schizo·phre·nia/ (skit?so-fren´e-ah) (-fre´ne-ah) a mental disorder or group of disorders characterized by disturbances in the form and content of thought (e.g., delusions, hallucinations), in mood (e.g., inappropriate affect), in sense of self and relationship to the external world (e.g., loss of ego boundaries, withdrawal), and in behavior (e.g., bizarre or apparently purposeless behavior); it must cause marked decrease in functioning and be present for at least six months.schizophren´i c
offiah mentel ramberlins again, no name this time
its mentel int it flut flot sucksie, cubbie mack is bock
Posted by: kink, peacehaven on 4:27pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]kink[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]kink[/bold] wrote: offiah de santis this is a good site with good comments, go away and haunt some other site and take your aliases with you inc ffs[/quote] Oh I forgot to add and I'll be coming home tonight. Check this out I wrote it myself: H! young Lochinvar is come out of the west, Through all the wide Border his steed was the best; And save his good broadsword he weapons had none. He rode all unarmed and he rode all alone. So faithful in love and so dauntless in war, There never was knight like the young Lochinvar. He stayed not for brake and he stopped not for stone, He swam the Eske river where ford there was none, But ere he alighted at Netherby gate The bride had consented, the gallant came late: For a laggard in love and a dastard in war Was to wed the fair Ellen of brave Lochinvar. So boldly he entered the Netherby Hall, Among bridesmen, and kinsmen, and brothers, and all: Then spoke the bride's father, his hand on his sword,-- For the poor craven bridegroom said never a word,-- 'Oh! come ye in peace here, or come ye in war, Or to dance at our bridal, young Lord Lochinvar?'-- 'I long wooed your daughter, my suit you denied; Love swells like the Solway, but ebbs like its tide-- And now am I come, with this lost love of mine, To lead but one measure, drink one cup of wine. There are maidens in Scotland more lovely by far, That would gladly be bride to the young Lochinvar.' The bride kissed the goblet; the knight took it up, He quaffed off the wine, and he threw down the cup, She looked down to blush, and she looked up to sigh, With a smile on her lips and a tear in her eye. He took her soft hand ere her mother could bar,-- 'Now tread we a measure!' said young Lochinvar. So stately his form, and so lovely her face, That never a hall such a galliard did grace; While her mother did fret, and her father did fume, And the bridegroom stood dangling his bonnet and plume; And the bride -- maidens whispered ''Twere better by far To have matched our fair cousin with young Lochinvar.' One touch to her hand and one word in her ear, When they reached the hall-door, and the charger stood near; So light to the croupe the fair lady he swung, So light to the saddle before her he sprung! 'She is won! we are gone, over bank, bush, and scaur; They'll have fleet steeds that follow,' quoth young Lochinvar. There was mounting 'mong Graemes of the Netherby clan; Fosters, Fenwicks, and Musgraves, they rode and they ran: There was racing and chasing on Cannobie Lee, But the lost bride of Netherby ne'er did they see. So daring in love and so dauntless in war, Have ye e'er heard of gallant like young Lochinvar? [/quote] off de san get help
kink wrote:
kink wrote: offiah de santis this is a good site with good comments, go away and haunt some other site and take your aliases with you inc ffs
Oh I forgot to add and I'll be coming home tonight. Check this out I wrote it myself: H! young Lochinvar is come out of the west, Through all the wide Border his steed was the best; And save his good broadsword he weapons had none. He rode all unarmed and he rode all alone. So faithful in love and so dauntless in war, There never was knight like the young Lochinvar. He stayed not for brake and he stopped not for stone, He swam the Eske river where ford there was none, But ere he alighted at Netherby gate The bride had consented, the gallant came late: For a laggard in love and a dastard in war Was to wed the fair Ellen of brave Lochinvar. So boldly he entered the Netherby Hall, Among bridesmen, and kinsmen, and brothers, and all: Then spoke the bride's father, his hand on his sword,-- For the poor craven bridegroom said never a word,-- 'Oh! come ye in peace here, or come ye in war, Or to dance at our bridal, young Lord Lochinvar?'-- 'I long wooed your daughter, my suit you denied; Love swells like the Solway, but ebbs like its tide-- And now am I come, with this lost love of mine, To lead but one measure, drink one cup of wine. There are maidens in Scotland more lovely by far, That would gladly be bride to the young Lochinvar.' The bride kissed the goblet; the knight took it up, He quaffed off the wine, and he threw down the cup, She looked down to blush, and she looked up to sigh, With a smile on her lips and a tear in her eye. He took her soft hand ere her mother could bar,-- 'Now tread we a measure!' said young Lochinvar. So stately his form, and so lovely her face, That never a hall such a galliard did grace; While her mother did fret, and her father did fume, And the bridegroom stood dangling his bonnet and plume; And the bride -- maidens whispered ''Twere better by far To have matched our fair cousin with young Lochinvar.' One touch to her hand and one word in her ear, When they reached the hall-door, and the charger stood near; So light to the croupe the fair lady he swung, So light to the saddle before her he sprung! 'She is won! we are gone, over bank, bush, and scaur; They'll have fleet steeds that follow,' quoth young Lochinvar. There was mounting 'mong Graemes of the Netherby clan; Fosters, Fenwicks, and Musgraves, they rode and they ran: There was racing and chasing on Cannobie Lee, But the lost bride of Netherby ne'er did they see. So daring in love and so dauntless in war, Have ye e'er heard of gallant like young Lochinvar?
[quote][bold]kink[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]kink[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]kink[/bold] wrote: offiah de santis this is a good site with good comments, go away and haunt some other site and take your aliases with you inc ffs[/quote] Oh I forgot to add and I'll be coming home tonight. Check this out I wrote it myself: H! young Lochinvar is come out of the west, Through all the wide Border his steed was the best; And save his good broadsword he weapons had none. He rode all unarmed and he rode all alone. So faithful in love and so dauntless in war, There never was knight like the young Lochinvar. He stayed not for brake and he stopped not for stone, He swam the Eske river where ford there was none, But ere he alighted at Netherby gate The bride had consented, the gallant came late: For a laggard in love and a dastard in war Was to wed the fair Ellen of brave Lochinvar. So boldly he entered the Netherby Hall, Among bridesmen, and kinsmen, and brothers, and all: Then spoke the bride's father, his hand on his sword,-- For the poor craven bridegroom said never a word,-- 'Oh! come ye in peace here, or come ye in war, Or to dance at our bridal, young Lord Lochinvar?'-- 'I long wooed your daughter, my suit you denied; Love swells like the Solway, but ebbs like its tide-- And now am I come, with this lost love of mine, To lead but one measure, drink one cup of wine. There are maidens in Scotland more lovely by far, That would gladly be bride to the young Lochinvar.' The bride kissed the goblet; the knight took it up, He quaffed off the wine, and he threw down the cup, She looked down to blush, and she looked up to sigh, With a smile on her lips and a tear in her eye. He took her soft hand ere her mother could bar,-- 'Now tread we a measure!' said young Lochinvar. So stately his form, and so lovely her face, That never a hall such a galliard did grace; While her mother did fret, and her father did fume, And the bridegroom stood dangling his bonnet and plume; And the bride -- maidens whispered ''Twere better by far To have matched our fair cousin with young Lochinvar.' One touch to her hand and one word in her ear, When they reached the hall-door, and the charger stood near; So light to the croupe the fair lady he swung, So light to the saddle before her he sprung! 'She is won! we are gone, over bank, bush, and scaur; They'll have fleet steeds that follow,' quoth young Lochinvar. There was mounting 'mong Graemes of the Netherby clan; Fosters, Fenwicks, and Musgraves, they rode and they ran: There was racing and chasing on Cannobie Lee, But the lost bride of Netherby ne'er did they see. So daring in love and so dauntless in war, Have ye e'er heard of gallant like young Lochinvar? [/quote] off de san get help[/quote] I once had dat muppet kink in me boot reciting poetry. I sed dats good, now try reciting wit me fist up yer.
n all the time i knew was best dat me mate olysolomio was dere.
muppet
kink wrote:
kink wrote:
kink wrote: offiah de santis this is a good site with good comments, go away and haunt some other site and take your aliases with you inc ffs
Oh I forgot to add and I'll be coming home tonight. Check this out I wrote it myself: H! young Lochinvar is come out of the west, Through all the wide Border his steed was the best; And save his good broadsword he weapons had none. He rode all unarmed and he rode all alone. So faithful in love and so dauntless in war, There never was knight like the young Lochinvar. He stayed not for brake and he stopped not for stone, He swam the Eske river where ford there was none, But ere he alighted at Netherby gate The bride had consented, the gallant came late: For a laggard in love and a dastard in war Was to wed the fair Ellen of brave Lochinvar. So boldly he entered the Netherby Hall, Among bridesmen, and kinsmen, and brothers, and all: Then spoke the bride's father, his hand on his sword,-- For the poor craven bridegroom said never a word,-- 'Oh! come ye in peace here, or come ye in war, Or to dance at our bridal, young Lord Lochinvar?'-- 'I long wooed your daughter, my suit you denied; Love swells like the Solway, but ebbs like its tide-- And now am I come, with this lost love of mine, To lead but one measure, drink one cup of wine. There are maidens in Scotland more lovely by far, That would gladly be bride to the young Lochinvar.' The bride kissed the goblet; the knight took it up, He quaffed off the wine, and he threw down the cup, She looked down to blush, and she looked up to sigh, With a smile on her lips and a tear in her eye. He took her soft hand ere her mother could bar,-- 'Now tread we a measure!' said young Lochinvar. So stately his form, and so lovely her face, That never a hall such a galliard did grace; While her mother did fret, and her father did fume, And the bridegroom stood dangling his bonnet and plume; And the bride -- maidens whispered ''Twere better by far To have matched our fair cousin with young Lochinvar.' One touch to her hand and one word in her ear, When they reached the hall-door, and the charger stood near; So light to the croupe the fair lady he swung, So light to the saddle before her he sprung! 'She is won! we are gone, over bank, bush, and scaur; They'll have fleet steeds that follow,' quoth young Lochinvar. There was mounting 'mong Graemes of the Netherby clan; Fosters, Fenwicks, and Musgraves, they rode and they ran: There was racing and chasing on Cannobie Lee, But the lost bride of Netherby ne'er did they see. So daring in love and so dauntless in war, Have ye e'er heard of gallant like young Lochinvar?
off de san get help
I once had dat muppet kink in me boot reciting poetry. I sed dats good, now try reciting wit me fist up yer.
n all the time i knew was best dat me mate olysolomio was dere.
muppet
Posted by: It will dawn on you on 4:55pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]offiah de santos[/bold] wrote:
IDIOTS I CAUGHT YOU ALL FOOLS HA HA HA I HAVE MANY NAMES YOU SIMPLE FOOLS I CAN WRITE POETRY, KNOBHEADS[/quote] Whatever the IP address is from offiah de santos will uncover the imposter of these posts today.
Maybe if you were educated in some form you would know who wrote the poem. Well and truly flushed out.
IP address I shall use to get your address. It may take a month but if the Argus don't enforce a sign on I will inform them of your address and leave it in their hands whether to leak the info on here.
offiah de santos wrote:
IDIOTS I CAUGHT YOU ALL FOOLS HA HA HA I HAVE MANY NAMES YOU SIMPLE FOOLS I CAN WRITE POETRY, KNOBHEADS
Whatever the IP address is from offiah de santos will uncover the imposter of these posts today.
Maybe if you were educated in some form you would know who wrote the poem. Well and truly flushed out.
IP address I shall use to get your address. It may take a month but if the Argus don't enforce a sign on I will inform them of your address and leave it in their hands whether to leak the info on here.
Posted by: Poet Laureate, at the end of the West Pier on 5:02pm Thu 10 Jan 08
So, either Kinky or offiah de santos wrote The Ballard of Young Lochinvar did he? And there I was believing that it was written by Sir Walter Scott in 1808 and it was about William Gordon of Kenmure, Laird of Lochinvar.
So, either Kinky or offiah de santos wrote The Ballard of Young Lochinvar did he? And there I was believing that it was written by Sir Walter Scott in 1808 and it was about William Gordon of Kenmure, Laird of Lochinvar.
Posted by: Meir Lansky, Skidrow on 5:33pm Thu 10 Jan 08
Hahahhahaa. Gamblers only ever tell you what they won - you'll never hear them boast about what they lost.
All of them are life's low-brow losers. Just walk past any betting shop and glance through the window.
Yeah, I know, gamblers say it's a fun thing to do. Sure it is. Just don't whinge when you don't win and be honest enough with other people about your constant repeated unrecoverable losses. Don't tell all us non-gamblers how much of a thrill it is. Sure, there's a thrill. You think it's the thrill of winning. But really, it's the fear of losing that gives the buzz just like Russian Roulette.
Hahahhahaa. Gamblers only ever tell you what they won - you'll never hear them boast about what they lost.
All of them are life's low-brow losers. Just walk past any betting shop and glance through the window.
Yeah, I know, gamblers say it's a fun thing to do. Sure it is. Just don't whinge when you don't win and be honest enough with other people about your constant repeated unrecoverable losses. Don't tell all us non-gamblers how much of a thrill it is. Sure, there's a thrill. You think it's the thrill of winning. But really, it's the fear of losing that gives the buzz just like Russian Roulette.
Posted by: mr andrew clark, hove on 6:56pm Thu 10 Jan 08
re bob the bookie,the bet was placed with bet fred whose member of staff phoned head office and the bet was accepted. odds were written on slip by member of staff.therefore we think they should honour the bet and pay up
re bob the bookie,the bet was placed with bet fred whose member of staff phoned head office and the bet was accepted. odds were written on slip by member of staff.therefore we think they should honour the bet and pay up
Posted by: Bets r'not'us, Brighton on 7:38pm Thu 10 Jan 08
It is so right what was said earlier about the people you see going into betting shops!
While Im sure there is the occasional exception, they all look like drunks, druggies, and benefit thieves.
Hope I dont sound like a bigot, because I am.
It is so right what was said earlier about the people you see going into betting shops!
While Im sure there is the occasional exception, they all look like drunks, druggies, and benefit thieves.
Posted by: David Chick, Portslade on 7:57pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[bold]bold[/bold] bookies win yet again, why not honour the bet its not as if you cant afford it. It doesnt always have to be one way you know! JUST PAY OUT FOR ONCE YOU CONMEN.
Cogs
bookies win yet again, why not honour the bet its not as if you cant afford it. It doesnt always have to be one way you know! JUST PAY OUT FOR ONCE YOU CONMEN.
Cogs
Posted by: Bored, Boresville on 8:05pm Thu 10 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Jus[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Bob the bookie[/bold] wrote: Sorry I have to say the punter has little chance of winning here and should grab what is offered to him. Its the same in the the World cup you can't bet on leading goal scorer and world cup winners in a double. This is because 9 times out of 10 the top goal scorer will be playing for the winning side.[/quote] Betfred should pay up, cashier error or not - in my opinion. If Mr Mathewson's solicitor can find the latest case law relating to this kind of instance, then it's up to Betfred's solicitor to find a more relevant example. Best to leave it to the solicitors now, any other action would be a waste of energy. Best of luck guys, I hope you get a result. as for Bob's comment regarding the leading goal scorer in the World Cup, 7 out of the last 11 tournaments have had Golden Shoe winners from teams other than the winner - 4 out of the last 11 winners with leading scorers is the correct statistic, not 9 out of 10. Sorry to be a smartarse, just setting the record straight.[/quote] I can't make it 4. I can only find it occurring 3 times in the 18 World Cups played to date. So that makes it 1 in 6, not 9 in 10.
Jus wrote:
Bob the bookie wrote: Sorry I have to say the punter has little chance of winning here and should grab what is offered to him. Its the same in the the World cup you can't bet on leading goal scorer and world cup winners in a double. This is because 9 times out of 10 the top goal scorer will be playing for the winning side.
Betfred should pay up, cashier error or not - in my opinion. If Mr Mathewson's solicitor can find the latest case law relating to this kind of instance, then it's up to Betfred's solicitor to find a more relevant example. Best to leave it to the solicitors now, any other action would be a waste of energy. Best of luck guys, I hope you get a result. as for Bob's comment regarding the leading goal scorer in the World Cup, 7 out of the last 11 tournaments have had Golden Shoe winners from teams other than the winner - 4 out of the last 11 winners with leading scorers is the correct statistic, not 9 out of 10. Sorry to be a smartarse, just setting the record straight.
I can't make it 4. I can only find it occurring 3 times in the 18 World Cups played to date. So that makes it 1 in 6, not 9 in 10.
Posted by: A Level Anthonyl, Brighton on 5:47am Fri 11 Jan 08
It would be good if contributors could at least spell and employ basic grammatical functions
thereto ensuring the meaning of their posting is not deflected. Most of the offerings make George Bush look like
Einstein !
It would be good if contributors could at least spell and employ basic grammatical functions
thereto ensuring the meaning of their posting is not deflected. Most of the offerings make George Bush look like
Einstein !
Posted by: offiah de santos, saltdean on 11:26am Fri 11 Jan 08
[quote][bold]It will dawn on you[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]offiah de santos[/bold] wrote: IDIOTS I CAUGHT YOU ALL FOOLS HA HA HA I HAVE MANY NAMES YOU SIMPLE FOOLS I CAN WRITE POETRY, KNOBHEADS[/quote] Whatever the IP address is from offiah de santos will uncover the imposter of these posts today. Maybe if you were educated in some form you would know who wrote the poem. Well and truly flushed out. IP address I shall use to get your address. It may take a month but if the Argus don't enforce a sign on I will inform them of your address and leave it in their hands whether to leak the info on here.[/quote] you will never track me dowm you fool
It will dawn on you wrote:
offiah de santos wrote: IDIOTS I CAUGHT YOU ALL FOOLS HA HA HA I HAVE MANY NAMES YOU SIMPLE FOOLS I CAN WRITE POETRY, KNOBHEADS
Whatever the IP address is from offiah de santos will uncover the imposter of these posts today. Maybe if you were educated in some form you would know who wrote the poem. Well and truly flushed out. IP address I shall use to get your address. It may take a month but if the Argus don't enforce a sign on I will inform them of your address and leave it in their hands whether to leak the info on here.
Posted by: tony oconnr, brighton on 11:59am Fri 11 Jan 08
of course the bet should be honoured,the member of staff was asked if the bet was correct, and they said yes and confirmed it by signing it, there for it was checked and confirmed it, making it a legal contract on behalf of betfred. pay up betfred do the right thing, show benifit of the doubt, and use this example for future training of your so called 'friendly' and 'helpful', 'professional staff' you claim to have working for you.
of course the bet should be honoured,the member of staff was asked if the bet was correct, and they said yes and confirmed it by signing it, there for it was checked and confirmed it, making it a legal contract on behalf of betfred. pay up betfred do the right thing, show benifit of the doubt, and use this example for future training of your so called 'friendly' and 'helpful', 'professional staff' you claim to have working for you.
I hope Betfred don't back down. Mr M is a man who feels it is ok to abandon his family and not contribute towards his young sons,pleading poverty. Funny that he has £100 to put on a bet.....if he did get the money I bet his poor children wouldn't be seeing any of it.
I hope Betfred don't back down. Mr M is a man who feels it is ok to abandon his family and not contribute towards his young sons,pleading poverty. Funny that he has £100 to put on a bet.....if he did get the money I bet his poor children wouldn't be seeing any of it.
[quote][bold]Offiah De Santis[/bold] wrote:
This is a wind up by the argus and two little boys. There are thousands of disputed bet which should come before this non event. Take your medicine and get over it, it’s a lesson in life. How old are the baby punters? They have not lost anything! Go back little boys and collect the £100 on offer! People are starving/ homeless etc and this little two bob outfit and 2 little boys are throwing toys out of their pram over winning £100. Get real! I hope betfred withdraw their offer and refund as a void/ NR bet. My advice is give up gambling while you can little boys. [/quote] Mr M's children are very nearly homeless after him leaving them nearly a year ago due in large part to his gambling addiction and putting that before his relationship with his wife and kids.
Offiah De Santis wrote:
This is a wind up by the argus and two little boys. There are thousands of disputed bet which should come before this non event. Take your medicine and get over it, it’s a lesson in life. How old are the baby punters? They have not lost anything! Go back little boys and collect the £100 on offer! People are starving/ homeless etc and this little two bob outfit and 2 little boys are throwing toys out of their pram over winning £100. Get real! I hope betfred withdraw their offer and refund as a void/ NR bet. My advice is give up gambling while you can little boys.
Mr M's children are very nearly homeless after him leaving them nearly a year ago due in large part to his gambling addiction and putting that before his relationship with his wife and kids.
Since Sept 2007 gambling debts are enforceable by contract law. They are no longer debt of honours. However in this case it appears from what I have read that the punters seem savvy enough to know **** well that you can put on a related double like this. All over the country punters are more likely to know more about betting than the cashier staff. I think they've been lucky to be offered the split single bets.
Since Sept 2007 gambling debts are enforceable by contract law. They are no longer debt of honours. However in this case it appears from what I have read that the punters seem savvy enough to know **** well that you can put on a related double like this. All over the country punters are more likely to know more about betting than the cashier staff. I think they've been lucky to be offered the split single bets.
Posted by: john coopey, york on 7:32pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I agree entirely with the punter. I too was shafted in this way by William Hill. A few monthsago I bet on a double relating to a football match. I bet on the reult being a draw at half-time and also fulltime, with there being no goalscorer. The result was 0-0 and both parts of the double therefore came up. Hill refused to pay the £265 I should have won and instead offered £35 on the basis of two single bets. IBAS agreed with them (some consumer protector they are!). I too ask what would have happened if the bet had lost (say 1-1 at half time and fulltime)? Obviously they would have simpply taken my money and I'd have been none the wiser. In fact, how many punters have lost money like this which the bookie would never have paid out on anyway. A real rip off which ought to be pubicised.
I agree entirely with the punter. I too was shafted in this way by William Hill. A few monthsago I bet on a double relating to a football match. I bet on the reult being a draw at half-time and also fulltime, with there being no goalscorer. The result was 0-0 and both parts of the double therefore came up. Hill refused to pay the £265 I should have won and instead offered £35 on the basis of two single bets. IBAS agreed with them (some consumer protector they are!). I too ask what would have happened if the bet had lost (say 1-1 at half time and fulltime)? Obviously they would have simpply taken my money and I'd have been none the wiser. In fact, how many punters have lost money like this which the bookie would never have paid out on anyway. A real rip off which ought to be pubicised.
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