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Hove residents' parking war with commuters
10:47am Monday 12th May 2008
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By Miles Godfrey »
Furious residents who claim new parking rules have left them "under siege"
have taken matters into their own hands.
They put up "car park full" signs in streets around the Wish Park area of Hove amid allegations the extension of the city's zonal parking scheme had forced commuters and tourists searching for free car spaces into their roads.
Lynne Reid said her life had been made a misery by the problem.
She said: "We genuinely feel we are under siege.
"The area has become so congested there have been several accidents. On one occasion, gridlock had developed and a truck was forced up on to the pavement and subsequently demolished a wall.
"We are being intimidated by angry commuters who are frustrated at the lack of parking in our streets.
"One resident had approached a car that was parked asking if they could move slightly to allow better access to their home. This was to aid the transfer of her sick husband but she received an angry retort and an abusive letter."
Residents tied the signs to lamp posts but these were removed by Brighton and Hove City Council and have now been leant against walls.
Victoria Richardson, of Marine Avenue, said: "When I left for the swimming pool with my two pre-school age children at 9.30am there were two cars hovering, waiting for my space.
"When I returned a couple of hours later there was, of course, nowhere to park.
"This is a regular occurrence - it is beyond stressful. The council's short-sighted parking policies have ruined my quality of life."
A council spokeswoman said: "We understand the concerns and pressures residents experience with regard to parking and have taken them on board.
"We've listened to the representations and problems raised with us, and as a result the Wish area is included on the priority parking scheme timetable, alongside other areas that have been suffering from severe parking issues for several years.
"The council appreciates that this does not bring an immediate solution to the issues in the area.
"Unfortunately it really isn't possible to meet all the demands across the city at the same time.
"In response to residents, however, the Wish area is now scheduled for consultation starting a year earlier than previously timetabled."
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anon, wish road resi says...
11:30am Mon 12 May 08
i have lived here for a while, and yes the fact the council have not considered that the lagoon playing area is 30 yards away is somewhat short sighted of this wonderful council, its not that bad. the parking restrictions in wish road are from 10 - 11 and 6- 7 every day. while this is to stop people parking and jumping on bus. it leaves one street empty and another over congested, do the council not realise that by moving the boundary of restricted parking is simply moving the problem elsewhere? yes is probably the answer, so the council get revenue from permits and ticketing. taxation for the council.
!!!, Brighton says...
11:33am Mon 12 May 08
The whole parking issue will NEVER be resolved. How can it? Brighton and Hove is far too congested. We don't have enough car parks, because there is no room. I feel that residents are being held to ransom by the Council. They should be able to park where they live, and not have to fight for parking rights. Too many cars on the road doesn't help either. 4X4's take up two parking spaces in car parks, are driven by people who want to impress their neighbours and have more money than sense, are wider than 'normal' cars, so narrow roads become unpassable.
People should revolt. Glad I walk most of the time.
People should revolt. Glad I walk most of the time.
Pete King, Brighton says...
11:35am Mon 12 May 08
Parking in this City is absolutely terrible and really does affect your quality of life. Waiting lists for permits in some areas exceed a year and when you do finally receive one, there is such a high demand for spaces there is little chance of finding one.
I currently have to park up to ¾ of a mile away from my home, if I decide to leave the car and opt to Cycle to work. How is this encouraging greener forms of transport? I am sometimes forced to drive because of the lack of places to leave my vehicle during the day.
I feel for the residents of the streets involved in this nightmare but what other options are available to motorists without permits, living or working in areas where you cant leave your vehicle for, at the most, more than four hours?
It seems the council are more interested in revenue, than the quality of life of the Citys residents.
I currently have to park up to ¾ of a mile away from my home, if I decide to leave the car and opt to Cycle to work. How is this encouraging greener forms of transport? I am sometimes forced to drive because of the lack of places to leave my vehicle during the day.
I feel for the residents of the streets involved in this nightmare but what other options are available to motorists without permits, living or working in areas where you cant leave your vehicle for, at the most, more than four hours?
It seems the council are more interested in revenue, than the quality of life of the Citys residents.
Andrew, Patcham says...
11:36am Mon 12 May 08
I have sympathy with these residents but they shouldn't take out their frustrations on people who are parking perfectly legally.
They need to continue lobbying the council if they want the parking regulations changed.
They need to continue lobbying the council if they want the parking regulations changed.
Dave, Hove says...
11:57am Mon 12 May 08
So "We take your £", what do you suggest as an alternative?
Jay, Tarner says...
12:01pm Mon 12 May 08
I sympathise with the residents, I have the same problem in Tarner. It is impossible to find anywhere to park, because it's free and every commuter uses the area. It feels like a roll-in roll-out parking conveyor.
bobby, hove says...
12:07pm Mon 12 May 08
When the residents do get restricted parking they will find that double yellow lines will be placed on all corners (there are none in this area now). Double yellows will also be extnded well over drives and even over dipped pavements where there is no garage or driveway. Spaces will not be properly measured out so many will take only 1 and a half car. Disabled spaces which have been ok with the user for years will suddenly be lenghtened etc etc
So the total number of spaces will decrease alot anyway. This is just a money making scam
So the total number of spaces will decrease alot anyway. This is just a money making scam
The One And Only, Brightion says...
12:21pm Mon 12 May 08
Andrew wrote:There should be restrictions laid on cars that make a hell of a noise when moving them a matter of yards for the easy access of a fire engine - blimey...thought it'd explode when I hand-brake turned it...
I have sympathy with these residents but they shouldn't take out their frustrations on people who are parking perfectly legally. They need to continue lobbying the council if they want the parking regulations changed.
And as for cyphoning it!!!
Peter, Lewes says...
1:01pm Mon 12 May 08
I'm a Lewes resident and sympathise with the Hove residents. We have private parking off-road in an area that is all permit parking.
People are so ridiculously stupid though they constantly park on our driveway (despite no parking signs - someone stole these then parked there) blocking access for the 5 households that have access to parking at the top.
The council tells us it is our responsibility to ensure emergency vehicles can access the houses at the top of the driveway, yet they refuse to help us by painting "no parking" signs on the road by the driveway. Meanwhile they also tell us that private clamping cannot necessarily be enforced so our hands are tied.
Fundamentally it comes down to the stupidity and selfishness of other drivers. If my experience is anything to go by the residents of Hove are fighting a losing battle.
People are so ridiculously stupid though they constantly park on our driveway (despite no parking signs - someone stole these then parked there) blocking access for the 5 households that have access to parking at the top.
The council tells us it is our responsibility to ensure emergency vehicles can access the houses at the top of the driveway, yet they refuse to help us by painting "no parking" signs on the road by the driveway. Meanwhile they also tell us that private clamping cannot necessarily be enforced so our hands are tied.
Fundamentally it comes down to the stupidity and selfishness of other drivers. If my experience is anything to go by the residents of Hove are fighting a losing battle.
S, Sussex says...
1:06pm Mon 12 May 08
It's really quite simple and cynical. First you introduce parking controls in the centre of town. Commuters park in the 'uncontrolled' areas just outside the centre, and the residents of that area clamour for a residents' parking scheme. This is then granted by the Council (netting more revenue) and the commuters now move further out of town in search of free parking. The new area they 'invade' now clamours for a residents' parking scheme. And so things go on ad nauseam, with the commuters moving further out of town and more and more residents being ensnared in the residents' parking scheme trap. The only winner is B&HCC, which progressively expands the revenue it generates from parking. Quite insidious and definitely not honest! Why don't people see what's happening for what it really is?
vtr1rider, says...
1:08pm Mon 12 May 08
Any new development should have to supply enough parking for its workers or residents - just look at the development in Hove park - they skimped on parking there and have been causing hell in that area. Take a look at what happens on mainland europe - they build underground carparks as a matter of course - if the developer says it is too expensive to build underground carparks then let them go elsewhere!
Arnold, Brighton says...
1:23pm Mon 12 May 08
The residents that are complaining should have a word with their Councillor, Garry Peltzer-Dunn and Ted Kemble, who arranged for all the surrounding streets (where 95% of residents already have off-street parking) to have a CPZ to stop "outsiders" parking on their streets. So now all those streets are virtually empty while all commuters have been pushed into Wish Road etc. Zone W was a stupid idea from the start, as it wasn't needed...
Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square says...
1:34pm Mon 12 May 08
Strangely, there is free parking around St Ann's Well Gardens on a Sunday and Bank Holidays. Why not elsewhere?
Brightonian, UK says...
1:43pm Mon 12 May 08
Brighton Council have never served the residents properly at any level, parking is only one. Self interest, has in the main clouded their judgement and direction. Their planning department has no clue whats being built or what planning laws have been floated. As for cars, BHCC are damaging the environment and have no environmental responsibility. Parking permits should be restricted to 1 car per household at a reduced rate and for a second, double the rate, with each subsequent car in 1 home being 'taxed' at double the previous rate. For large companies in Brighton that have no proper space ie EDF Portland Road, corporate permits could be offered at £1000 per annum. This would gain more income than at present, would remove unused cars from the streets, take away all the foreign cars that should nto be here and force people to use public transport. It would also encourage compainies who have their offices on main bus routes and adjacent to main railway stations, to ensure their staff create as small a carbon footprint as they can travelling to work. In the case of EDF, almost their entire workforce drives in, with Portslade station being 300 yards away. As I said, Brighton Council, all the gear but no idea, not forward thinking, not rational, notfair, not environmentally aware, uncaring, insular but above all not working for the people who live here and who pay their wages. If you have a problem with parking, get together with a class action, county court, basis, destroying our lives by knowingly causing stress. If enough of you stand strong and together you can win. If you dont at first, European Court of Human Rights. This is were it will end up and almost certainly a ruling in the residents favour.
PE, Brighton says...
1:52pm Mon 12 May 08
Jay wrote:I too have often had the problem of not finding a convenient parking space. However, many of those complaining cause a similar problem when they park at the end of their journey! One thing that can be done that is some small way towards a solution is to lobby for car club cars to be placed in your area. Its not a panacea, but could take lots of occassionally used second and third cars currently parked on the streets for the loss of far fewer parking spaces than would be lost from a residents parking scheme. I am only an occassional driver and have been able to successfully give up owning a car altogether and have saved thousands a year by using the local car club cars.
I sympathise with the residents, I have the same problem in Tarner. It is impossible to find anywhere to park, because it\\\'s free and every commuter uses the area. It feels like a roll-in roll-out parking conveyor.
On the bus, says...
2:11pm Mon 12 May 08
All these people who say they should be able to park where they live: how is that even nearly possible in a city as tightly packed as Brighton? Do we knock down half of Brunswick Square so everyone in the other half can park on the rubble?
red, fiveways says...
2:11pm Mon 12 May 08
I wish they would extend the controilled parking to fiveways district ...and so get rid of the commercial vehicles parked in residential streets. Limit the permits to 1 per household.across the road from me there is permanently parked an ex sunlight (eastbourne laundy) vehicle with hydraulic lift at the back taking up 3 car spaces on Hythe road. and the amount of builders or trade vans parked up and you know they have their personal cars parked up too.
Gerald, Patcham says...
2:12pm Mon 12 May 08
Its simple, people who don't have their own garages or off-road parking spaces shouldn't buy cars. Why do they think they are entitled to exclusive use of a part of the public highway maintained at public expense?
Nasty Residents, Worthing says...
2:36pm Mon 12 May 08
These nasty residents should stop taking the law into there own hands. I have had 2 punctures cause from Screws, these residents don't realize they put my life and my childrens lifes in their hands by such irresponsible behaviour.
Deb, Hovee says...
2:56pm Mon 12 May 08
Ok - there is no way we are going to get rid of the parking issues in Hove - but have the council thought about changing the resitriction for meter parking. If people could pay to park for up to 8 hours a day in Zone R instead of having to move after 4 hours to some where else ie Zone W then I think some of the issues will be addressed.
Paul, Brighton Seafront says...
3:05pm Mon 12 May 08
Simple solution is to lose the car. Why does everyone in central Brighton need a car?
Dick Grinster, Withdean says...
3:18pm Mon 12 May 08
Oh dear, the peseants are revolting. If the residents do not like it they should sell up and more to a more upper class area of town, unless they are just too poor. In which case they should sell their cars and use the bus. I'd like to see all resident parking removed / outlawed. I pay my very high council tax, and UK taxes, and I should be able to park my Bentley in any legal parking space, not be excluded because I don't happen to live in a particular road. It should be 1st come, 1st served, infact I think I might instruct my barrister to persue the matter as a breach of my human-rights. Actually I think I might visit the local car auction this week and buy a load of £1000 old bangers and have them delivered to the streets of West Hove, all MOT'd, Taxed, and insured of course, so perfectly road legal. These people do not own the road outside their tiny houses. I think I need to sit down with a nice fat cigar after all that. Ho hum.
Scalamouche, Brighton says...
3:43pm Mon 12 May 08
Dick Grinster wrote:Excellent comment from the Grinster! Only a bunch of cretins would seriously request resident parking. After the spanners in B&H request all to be resident parking then whats next for the council? Resident Dustbin bays? Dog lanes? Tax on gardens? Tax on extremely large tools? Stretch fines for leaving a gaping hole behind?
Oh dear, the peseants are revolting. If the residents do not like it they should sell up and more to a more upper class area of town, unless they are just too poor. In which case they should sell their cars and use the bus. I'd like to see all resident parking removed / outlawed. I pay my very high council tax, and UK taxes, and I should be able to park my Bentley in any legal parking space, not be excluded because I don't happen to live in a particular road. It should be 1st come, 1st served, infact I think I might instruct my barrister to persue the matter as a breach of my human-rights. Actually I think I might visit the local car auction this week and buy a load of £1000 old bangers and have them delivered to the streets of West Hove, all MOT'd, Taxed, and insured of course, so perfectly road legal. These people do not own the road outside their tiny houses. I think I need to sit down with a nice fat cigar after all that. Ho hum.
Helen, Brighton says...
3:44pm Mon 12 May 08
The council have discovered a formula for making money and revenue. That's all. Nothing to do with congestion and being green. How is driving around for hours looking for a space good for the environment? Day time robbery!
Resident of, Wish Park says...
3:52pm Mon 12 May 08
Well I don't agree with these mindless lazy neighbours of mine, I go to work at 7am and get back at 6pm any road taxed vehicle is more than welcome to park outside my house. Its old pegleg the man who actually had the cheek to tell me to move the car because of "the ambulance", What ambulance? Is there someone hurt I enquired, I'm a Doctor "Er no" replied Pegleg, "Its the neighbour she never know when she will need one". You see these effing residents also put a strain on the NHS, DSS, you name it. Now the markets crashed I'll have to stay here for another 4 years so NO TO RESIDENT PARKING ANYWHERE IN BRIGHTON & HOVE!
Simon, Btn says...
4:08pm Mon 12 May 08
Anybody know how to get rid of these annoying adverts that pop up in the middle of an Argos story?
Lord Lucan, Who knows says...
4:10pm Mon 12 May 08
Dick Grinster wrote:HA! Dick you fool.Your a very small fish in a big pond.The fact you have to drive your own car makes me chortle. Have your driver do it.
Oh dear, the peseants are revolting. If the residents do not like it they should sell up and more to a more upper class area of town, unless they are just too poor. In which case they should sell their cars and use the bus. I\\\'d like to see all resident parking removed / outlawed. I pay my very high council tax, and UK taxes, and I should be able to park my Bentley in any legal parking space, not be excluded because I don\\\'t happen to live in a particular road. It should be 1st come, 1st served, infact I think I might instruct my barrister to persue the matter as a breach of my human-rights. Actually I think I might visit the local car auction this week and buy a load of £1000 old bangers and have them delivered to the streets of West Hove, all MOT\\\'d, Taxed, and insured of course, so perfectly road legal. These people do not own the road outside their tiny houses. I think I need to sit down with a nice fat cigar after all that. Ho hum.
Resident, SHIRLEY STREET, HOVE says...
4:11pm Mon 12 May 08
THE COUNCIL ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY WHY DON'T THEY JUST CLAIM OUR WAGE PACKETS! WE PAY £220 FOR TWO CARS AND HAVE TO PARK STREETS AWAY, PAY & DISPLAY PARKERS TURN UP AT 6PM PAY £1.20 AND PARK ALL NIGHT - IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO RESIDENT ONLY AFTER 5.30 AND IF YOU HAVE A GUEST SUPPLY THEM WITH A VISITORS PERMIT, I HAVE BEEN SUGGESTING THIS TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE PAST 14 MONTHS, HAVE THEY LISTENED - NO
AS I SAY: ITS A CASE OF MONEY MONEY MONEY LINING THE COUNCILS POCKETS
AS I SAY: ITS A CASE OF MONEY MONEY MONEY LINING THE COUNCILS POCKETS
Becca, Kemp Town says...
4:12pm Mon 12 May 08
I live in Kemp Town. My household has one car between us, and we pay a hell of a lot for residents parking. Do we ever get to park outside our own house? Do we hell! Doesn't matter what kind of parking you have, you'll still never be able to park in your own road let alone outside your own property. Just put up and shut up, please!
rob, Central Brighton says...
4:26pm Mon 12 May 08
The way I look at it is, as long as I have road tax, and there are no parking restrictions, im going to park my car where I want.
Moose, Brighton says...
4:28pm Mon 12 May 08
Hmmm.... so we're a tourist resort.. but we provide little to no parking for said tourists... surely if we want them here we should accomodate them better? Yes car parks don't look great... BUT surely if tourists are so important then a car park would be a small price to pay? Plus then it wouldn't annoy the residents so much either.
As for on street parking, well! Unfortunately we live in a very densely populated area, so it's tough really, more houses = more cars so of course it's going to get crowded, what do you expect lol.
They could probably make it better with a bit of a re-structure with the parking zones and times though, all of this 2 hour/4 hour crap really irks me and surely creates more journeys and pollution, as everyone has to go out and move their cars every few hours just to stay parked, stupid!
As for on street parking, well! Unfortunately we live in a very densely populated area, so it's tough really, more houses = more cars so of course it's going to get crowded, what do you expect lol.
They could probably make it better with a bit of a re-structure with the parking zones and times though, all of this 2 hour/4 hour crap really irks me and surely creates more journeys and pollution, as everyone has to go out and move their cars every few hours just to stay parked, stupid!
John, says...
4:28pm Mon 12 May 08
Resident wrote:Why are you shouting?
THE COUNCIL ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE MONEY WHY DON'T THEY JUST CLAIM OUR WAGE PACKETS! WE PAY £220 FOR TWO CARS AND HAVE TO PARK STREETS AWAY, PAY & DISPLAY PARKERS TURN UP AT 6PM PAY £1.20 AND PARK ALL NIGHT - IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO RESIDENT ONLY AFTER 5.30 AND IF YOU HAVE A GUEST SUPPLY THEM WITH A VISITORS PERMIT, I HAVE BEEN SUGGESTING THIS TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE PAST 14 MONTHS, HAVE THEY LISTENED - NO AS I SAY: ITS A CASE OF MONEY MONEY MONEY LINING THE COUNCILS POCKETS
Have you ever needed to park somewhere where you dont know anyone? Do you think about residents *every* time you park?
Im guessing you have 2 cars becaues you have 2 jobs, are you not trying to line your own pockets like the rest of us? Im not saying what thier doing is right, but I understand.
Boss Hogg, says...
4:56pm Mon 12 May 08
I pay road tax, I pay fuel duty - I am going to park where I want if it is legal to do so.
Just because you live in a road gives you not right whatsoever to have grounds over and above anybody else to park their.
This silo mentality is so incredibly frustrating.
Small minded people.
Just because you live in a road gives you not right whatsoever to have grounds over and above anybody else to park their.
This silo mentality is so incredibly frustrating.
Small minded people.
mary hinge, Brighton says...
5:10pm Mon 12 May 08
Becca wrote:I park outside my house everyday, but then thats down to the personal choice of where I purchased my property. Surely before you rent/buy somewhere you know what it is like, therefore lose your right to moan about the lack of parking.
I live in Kemp Town. My household has one car between us, and we pay a hell of a lot for residents parking. Do we ever get to park outside our own house? Do we hell! Doesn\\\'t matter what kind of parking you have, you\\\'ll still never be able to park in your own road let alone outside your own property. Just put up and shut up, please!
mary hinge, Brighton says...
5:10pm Mon 12 May 08
Becca wrote:I park outside my house everyday, but then thats down to the personal choice of where I purchased my property. Surely before you rent/buy somewhere you know what it is like, therefore lose your right to moan about the lack of parking.
I live in Kemp Town. My household has one car between us, and we pay a hell of a lot for residents parking. Do we ever get to park outside our own house? Do we hell! Doesn\\\'t matter what kind of parking you have, you\\\'ll still never be able to park in your own road let alone outside your own property. Just put up and shut up, please!
Fallen Arches Fred, hove says...
5:25pm Mon 12 May 08
In reply to FFS, St Annes Wells does NOT have free parking on a bank holiday, as at least 7 people found out last Bank Holiday Monday. Most people who see a sign saying restrictions are in place Mon-Sat would assume that Bank Holidays would be free, but you have to read the small print on the ticket machines to spot this. I'm sure B&HCC didn't deliberately mislead anyone and try to increase revenue for no reason, there must be a reason why Sundays are free but not Bank Holidays. But I can't think of it.
In utter amazement, says...
6:24pm Mon 12 May 08
Are the residents of Wish Park going to start a break away republic? They believe that they are that important.
Do they believe that whilst 'outside' people are obviously not allowed to dare to park their cars outside houses in the Wish Park area do they still expect to be able to park their cars where they want in the City.
Double standards.
Me Me Me.
Snobbery and there are no excuses.
Do they believe that whilst 'outside' people are obviously not allowed to dare to park their cars outside houses in the Wish Park area do they still expect to be able to park their cars where they want in the City.
Double standards.
Me Me Me.
Snobbery and there are no excuses.
wish park resident, says...
6:59pm Mon 12 May 08
mary hinge wrote:When I bought my house there was no area W CPZ so no difficulty parking. It was one of the reasons I chose to live so far out of Brighton. Commuters aren't the only problem. Dumped cars/vans/holiday homes etc make it difficult for anyone to find a space.
Becca wrote: I live in Kemp Town. My household has one car between us, and we pay a hell of a lot for residents parking. Do we ever get to park outside our own house? Do we hell! Doesn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t matter what kind of parking you have, you\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'ll still never be able to park in your own road let alone outside your own property. Just put up and shut up, please!I park outside my house everyday, but then thats down to the personal choice of where I purchased my property. Surely before you rent/buy somewhere you know what it is like, therefore lose your right to moan about the lack of parking.
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wish park resident, says...
7:10pm Mon 12 May 08
No one wants to pay to park outside their own house, especially when we already pay lots on council tax. Unfortunately B&H council have implemented parking zones all over the city, thus displacing the traffic out into surrounding areas. Wish park residents now are so fed up with the aggression that comes with the desperate parking that we really want parking permits.
wishpark, says...
7:14pm Mon 12 May 08
bobby wrote:Unfortunately we are not getting the residents permit parking BUT we are getting all the double yellow lines - disasterous!!!
When the residents do get restricted parking they will find that double yellow lines will be placed on all corners (there are none in this area now). Double yellows will also be extnded well over drives and even over dipped pavements where there is no garage or driveway. Spaces will not be properly measured out so many will take only 1 and a half car. Disabled spaces which have been ok with the user for years will suddenly be lenghtened etc etc So the total number of spaces will decrease alot anyway. This is just a money making scam
wayne, brighton says...
7:37pm Mon 12 May 08
I used to live near a large office and if I had trouble parking then so what! I moved there at the end of the day.
If my car is taxed, mot'd and insured then scr*w you I will park where I am LEGALY ENTITLED to, if you don't like it... well I really don't care!
If my car is taxed, mot'd and insured then scr*w you I will park where I am LEGALY ENTITLED to, if you don't like it... well I really don't care!
Cant believe I read this, says...
7:39pm Mon 12 May 08
Work harder and move to a better area. I have beautiful views from Tongdean. Oh and off road parking for 4 cars ;)
Wish Park Resident, Hove says...
8:00pm Mon 12 May 08
In utter amazement wrote:You make too many assumptions in your ranting. The Argus report has sensationalised (and that's how they sell papers) the situation by using the headline Hove residents at 'war' with tourists and commuters. No-one is at war with anyone, least of all with tourists and commuters. However, over the last year traffic in this area has increased tenfold. We used to co-exist with visitor parking no problem. Before the Council introduced CPZ's along the seafront, visitor parking was shared between all the roads from the King Alfred to Wish Road. Now it is concentrated into just a few small predominantly terraced narrow roads, which can cause extreme congestion, which is unsafe for all concerned. If you had a similar situation where you live you might well think differently. Try a little tolerance in your life - the Wish Park Residents do it daily.
Are the residents of Wish Park going to start a break away republic? They believe that they are that important.
Do they believe that whilst 'outside' people are obviously not allowed to dare to park their cars outside houses in the Wish Park area do they still expect to be able to park their cars where they want in the City.
Double standards.
Me Me Me.
Snobbery and there are no excuses.
pete krohn, Brighton says...
8:08pm Mon 12 May 08
wayne wrote:Where do you live Wayne, mate - I will send everyone over to you to park, as your road obviously has loadsa spaces.
I used to live near a large office and if I had trouble parking then so what! I moved there at the end of the day.
If my car is taxed, mot\\\'d and insured then scr*w you I will park where I am LEGALY ENTITLED to, if you don\\\'t like it... well I really don\\\'t care!
In utter amazement, says...
8:52pm Mon 12 May 08
Wish Park Resident wrote:Me Me Me Me.
In utter amazement wrote: Are the residents of Wish Park going to start a break away republic? They believe that they are that important. Do they believe that whilst 'outside' people are obviously not allowed to dare to park their cars outside houses in the Wish Park area do they still expect to be able to park their cars where they want in the City. Double standards. Me Me Me. Snobbery and there are no excuses.You make too many assumptions in your ranting. The Argus report has sensationalised (and that's how they sell papers) the situation by using the headline Hove residents at 'war' with tourists and commuters. No-one is at war with anyone, least of all with tourists and commuters. However, over the last year traffic in this area has increased tenfold. We used to co-exist with visitor parking no problem. Before the Council introduced CPZ's along the seafront, visitor parking was shared between all the roads from the King Alfred to Wish Road. Now it is concentrated into just a few small predominantly terraced narrow roads, which can cause extreme congestion, which is unsafe for all concerned. If you had a similar situation where you live you might well think differently. Try a little tolerance in your life - the Wish Park Residents do it daily.
Don't try the 'unsafe' or the 'extreme congestion' ploy - you want only your cars parked in your road. Going further you want to be able to park your car outside your house everyday. You don't want to share a public road, paid for at public expense. You want it for yourself.
Me Me Me Me
Wish Park resident, Hove says...
9:50pm Mon 12 May 08
Our intention was not to offend visitors and commuters, it was to raise awareness. The mayor of Brighton and Hove, Garry Peltzer Dunn stated publicly that the council has a moral obligation to fix the mess they caused here. The mess affects everyone residents, commuters, weekend visitors alike. We would like him to rise to the challenge and resolve this nightmare. The roads are unsafe - these residential streets were not intended to support this volume of traffic. This problem is not of our making and it did not exist until 7 months ago. In reply to the comment from In utter amazement, many residents voted against the proposals to extend the controlled parking zone W. It is not about us it is about safer conditions for everyone.
Kickboxer, Worthing says...
10:15pm Mon 12 May 08
Wish Park Resident wrote:I used to live in marine avenue and can assure you that the roads in this area are NOT narrow and the houses are in fact semidetached and detached not terraced as you claim.
In utter amazement wrote:You make too many assumptions in your ranting. The Argus report has sensationalised (and that\'s how they sell papers) the situation by using the headline Hove residents at \'war\' with tourists and commuters. No-one is at war with anyone, least of all with tourists and commuters. However, over the last year traffic in this area has increased tenfold. We used to co-exist with visitor parking no problem. Before the Council introduced CPZ\'s along the seafront, visitor parking was shared between all the roads from the King Alfred to Wish Road. Now it is concentrated into just a few small predominantly terraced narrow roads, which can cause extreme congestion, which is unsafe for all concerned. If you had a similar situation where you live you might well think differently. Try a little tolerance in your life - the Wish Park Residents do it daily.
Are the residents of Wish Park going to start a break away republic? They believe that they are that important.
Do they believe that whilst \'outside\' people are obviously not allowed to dare to park their cars outside houses in the Wish Park area do they still expect to be able to park their cars where they want in the City.
Double standards.
Me Me Me.
Snobbery and there are no excuses.
Acheron, Hove says...
11:06pm Mon 12 May 08
There's an interesting comparison with Gibraltar that could be made here. Similar to Brighton, too many cars (in fact if all the registered cars tried to move at the same time it would be impossible as there is less road mileage in Gib than all the cars boot to bumper!) The majority of parking in Gib, free, even in official car parks.
Novel idea I know, realising that people visiting might be worth treating well if you want them to come back, but then that would be a bit too sensible, wouldn't it!
Novel idea I know, realising that people visiting might be worth treating well if you want them to come back, but then that would be a bit too sensible, wouldn't it!
Wish Park Resident, Hove says...
9:28am Tue 13 May 08
In utter amazement wrote:Actually I don't own a car - don't drive. If I want to get anywhere, I walk or bus it. People park outside my house all the time, and I have some lovely conversations with some lovely people because of it. And I 'park' my feet on the sofa each night, with a cool glass of beer.
Wish Park Resident wrote:Me Me Me Me.
In utter amazement wrote: Are the residents of Wish Park going to start a break away republic? They believe that they are that important. Do they believe that whilst 'outside' people are obviously not allowed to dare to park their cars outside houses in the Wish Park area do they still expect to be able to park their cars where they want in the City. Double standards. Me Me Me. Snobbery and there are no excuses.You make too many assumptions in your ranting. The Argus report has sensationalised (and that's how they sell papers) the situation by using the headline Hove residents at 'war' with tourists and commuters. No-one is at war with anyone, least of all with tourists and commuters. However, over the last year traffic in this area has increased tenfold. We used to co-exist with visitor parking no problem. Before the Council introduced CPZ's along the seafront, visitor parking was shared between all the roads from the King Alfred to Wish Road. Now it is concentrated into just a few small predominantly terraced narrow roads, which can cause extreme congestion, which is unsafe for all concerned. If you had a similar situation where you live you might well think differently. Try a little tolerance in your life - the Wish Park Residents do it daily.
Don't try the 'unsafe' or the 'extreme congestion' ploy - you want only your cars parked in your road. Going further you want to be able to park your car outside your house everyday. You don't want to share a public road, paid for at public expense. You want it for yourself.
Me Me Me Me
I come in peace, Hove says...
10:47am Tue 13 May 08
The whole issue of parking in Brighton and Hove is down to one body and that is Brighton and Hove Council. They make no provision for or concession to residents and visitors alike. When people visit or make journeys within the town by car, NCP car parks have the town sewn up with extortionate parking fees, so people look for cheaper parking elsewhere and who can blame them. Parking along the seafront ought to be free, it is a public facility/amenity, it should not be tied up with parking meters. I understand that by allowing free parking it encourages more long stay parking and therefore reduces the visitor parking, but surely a scheme can be thought up to allow people to spend a cheap day at the beach who don't live in the town and can't travel here by public transport as the journey would probably take most of the day, so have to rely on the car. I live in the Wish Park area and see the joy on people's faces on a hot day when they come to visit the beach, I don't want to take that away from anyone. And in turn, I like to visit the beach in other parts of the town. I like to take my children to the Peter Pans playground sometimes and to Rottingdean and Black Rock, and mostly I use public transport to do that, but there are occasions when there just isn't enough time to take the bus and it is easier to take the car. The bus fares, I might add are too expensive for a family of four to fork out on a regular basis. A realistic, holistic solution by Brighton and Hove Council with inexpensive and practical choices and options for everyone's needs is crucial in making Brighton and Hove a pleasant place for people to live, to visit and to work
We take your £, Labour Party HQ says...
11:15am Mon 12 May 08
...and this is how the local council will enthuse residents to turn yet more roads into revenue-raising parking zones. Make the residents "nimbys" who pass the problem to the next ward and so on and so on. Shrewd but true.